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WHAT MESSAGE IS ARUBA SENDING TO TOURISTS REGARDING JUSTICE?
Even in a gang related attempted murder case in Aruba the judges give light sentences to convicted individuals. The Aruban Public Prosecutor had requested 10 and 6 years of jail time for the attempted murder; however, the judge only gave 8 years and 18 months. More interesting was the statement from the judge regarding sending a message that this type of behavior is not to be accepted or tolerated in Aruba.
The judge is of the opinion that the community must get a clear signal that a shooting between rival gangs on broad daylight, cannot be tolerated.
I guess the judges feel other crimes in Aruba are okay and should be tolerated. Especially, when the suspects are fellow friends of judges.
So what is the message that Aruba is sending tourists in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and lack of investigation and prosecution of Joran Van der Sloot? So by not prosecuting someone like Joran Van der Sloot who is an obvious and admitted suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, does that mean that Aruban justice system is sending a “clear signal” that crimes against tourist are tolerated and will go unpunished. That should be a clear message to tourists.
Eight years jail for Macuarima shooting (Amigoe: 2/25/08)
ORANJESTAD – The two Macuarima-shooting suspects E.J. Lo-A-Njoe and E.J. Thiel are respectively convicted to 8 years and 18 months jail. The Public Prosecutor (OM) demanded 10 and 6 years jail and is considering appealing the verdict.
The prosecutor is of the opinion that especially the 18 months conviction of Thiel for accessory to murder is too low. According to the judge, there is no evidence that Thiel had planned with Lo-A-Njoe to murder someone. It was not clear either during the trial, whether Thiel knew that his friend had firearms with him. Thiel was driving, when Lo-A-Njoe pulled two guns and emptied them on a group of young persons, with whom he had a row, and injured two. One of them lost a kidney.
The judge considered the murder attempt of Lo-A-Njoe proved. Lo-A-Njoe had a collision with the group earlier that day. One of the gang-members showed Lo-A-Njoe his weapon and he felt threatened. However, the judge didn’t agree with his statement that out of self-defense, he emptied his gun on that same group later. Lo-A-Njoe went home first to get his guns and then went to look for his enemies. “Everything points out that he has been looking for the victims”, said the judge. Besides, even though he hit two persons, he continued shooting until his guns were empty and then started to laugh.
The judge is of the opinion that the community must get a clear signal that a shooting between rival gangs on broad daylight, cannot be tolerated. The court nevertheless found 8 years, after deducting the custody, enough for Lo-A-Njoe, who once outside, was greeted by friends.
Posted February 26, 2008 by Scared Monkeys Amigoe, Aruba, Corruption, Crime, Joran Van der Sloot, Judicial, Missing Persons, Murder, Natalee Holloway, Travel | 60 comments |
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i take this to mean if the shootingss were done in the dark there would have been no prosecution !
If it has anything to do with aruba, Expect the worse !!!
Did bald taco defend the suspects ???
Hey urin how is the gangster life you wanted so badly treating you ???
8 years not to bad
Were the gang members high(NAH) because if they were it doesn’t count.
But Aruba will tolerate the date-rape drugging
and death of a young woman at night.
OH SuperDave! That’s what I was going to say!
Gotta kill people in the dark.
I get it. Aruba just hates Americans and other tourists. You guys are just jealous and bitter. So, no love for you!
jealous and bitter of what? living on that crappy island where broken down and wrecked cars are strewn all over the place….dirt everywhere, the beaches HIGHLY overrated. It’s nicer and SAFER in the Outer Banks, NC than Aruba. bobbie, go BOB(bie) on Paulus or Joran you Aruba loving (bleep)!
It’s not the v/d Sloot’s fault that the gang members didn’t have a father to coach them on producing alibis, a Jacobs to discard the interrogation, a Judge Smit to limit access to the potential evidence, and a Vocking to coordinate the whole thing.
SL-Gloria Very nicely put! I like your style.
We must remember that a “life sentence” in Aruba is ten years. A few years back when a teller at Aruba Bank was shot and killed for not opening the safe fast enough during a robbery, the sentence was 10 years for the murderer.
I love this:
“The judge is of the opinion that the community must get a clear signal that a shooting between rival gangs on broad daylight, cannot be tolerated.”
So….is it the judge’s opinion that they can tolerate shootings when they aren’t in broad daylight between the rival gangs???
HA HA HA. Aruba is screwed.
MD
Doesn’t supprise me at all. Doesn’t everyone know that paulas vandersloot will one day be a judge in aruba. What kind of sentences does one expect from him.
“even though he hit two persons, he continued shooting until his guns were empty and then started to laugh”
Uh … well … I guess that’s ONE kind of reaction. Too bad we don’t have a photo for which we could write captions. Some ideas:
“Boy, is it fun to be on Aruba!”
“Wonder what lunch is in jail this week?”
“Can’t wait to tell the guys about this one!”
“Which judge is going to let me off this time?”
Anyway, you get the idea.
Actually, this article must have the wrong place in mind. Aren’t we told that Aruba is one safe, happy island? Just ask Aruba Tourism Authority.
MD.
I can help interpret. The judge says, anything normally considered criminal DOES apply during regular day light hours. Thus, if there is a definite possibility of being seen actually doing the crime, you could be held as a criminal.
However, if you cannot be seen due to the hours of darkness it is not illegal and not considered a crime. That what I interpet.
Also if you have multiple personalities, Aruba will not tolerate on personality squealing on another personality. That is why Aruba has not gone after Joran. If you recall Joran has many names, Sporter, Model student, Pimp, Player, etc. I think Player squealed on the Player.
I am starting to understand the Aruban law; I think Arlene may agree with me, right Arlene?
Two words – Preferential treatment!
aruba is a hell hole
Yea, the reason it won’t be tolerated is because it was in broad daylight, loud and visible. Hang someone, drug them, rape them….run away…no one will be caught in Aruba. The thing about this case is that it was VISIBLE, that is what truely angers !
I DIDNT SEE ANYTHING GLAMEROUS ABOUT VANDERSLOOTS HOME.. ALL I SEEN MY DIRT.. AND A GATE THE HOUSE ITSELF NOT INPRESSIVE.. AND YOUR RIGHT SCOTT.. WHO WOULD BE BITTER OVER AN ISLAND THAT HAS NO AUTHORITY..NO. MORALS AND NO VALUES..THE LEGAL SYSTEM IS RUN BY CRMINALS LIKE PAUULUS.. HIGH AT THE TOP OF THE CORRUPTION CHAIN…BITTER??? ITS THE AMERICAN MONEY THAT AFFORDS THEM A FACELIFT ON THE ISLAND ONCE IN A WHILE.. WHEN THEY DONT HAVE IT.. YOU WILL SEE MORE ABANDONED GHETTO CARS.. JEALOUS AND BITTER OF A GHETTO INVIROMENT…HMMMMM
#19 They have a nice-looking pool, a detached apartment-type dwelling, and some shade-producing trees on a lot of average size. Not a palatial estate, but also certainly not too shabby. I saw a pic of the family eating breakfast around the table in the main house (the one Paulus’s high-ranking friends were able to successfully block from being searched) on the internet somewhere, and the interior looked rather colorful, with a definite Dutch style to it.
It is too bad that the owners tarnished the premises with their deeds. The place likely would’ve fetched a pretty penny on the Aruban real estate market. As for now, the house is attracting a lot of attention.
How does the van der Scum residence compare with others in the neighborhood?
Let’s face it, if anybody in Aruba cared about Justice there would not be a scorched stone of the Van der Sloot house left standing. Seems like it would be OK to burn it to the ground of done at night however, if you were a high placed individual.
This just out ….
http://cbs13.com/national/FBI.natalle.holloway.2.663328.html
FBI: Fabric Found In Aruba Not Natalee Holloway’s
ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) ¯ An FBI analysis of fabric collected from a crab trap off Aruba showed the material did not match clothing worn by missing American Natalee Holloway, prosecutors said Tuesday.
The fabric was recovered in January by Aruban divers in about 90 feet of water as they searched for the body of the missing teenager, the public prosecutor’s office said in a statement.
The FBI compared the material to a blouse worn by Holloway, who was 18 when she disappeared on the final night of a high school graduation trip to the island in May 2005. The results “showed that the two materials were not a match,” the statement said.
How could they compare the material when she disappeared wearing the blouse…what am I misssing?
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SM: They may have been able to obtain the exact same blouse from the manufacturer? (klaasend)
does anyone know where the transcripts are where joran and deepok are arguing in jail and joran says something about hitting Natalee with the car?
Just read some of the comments/ posts on BOYCOTT ARUBA-JUSTICE FOR NATALEE…..some of them are quite bizarre….I wish they were believable. Anyway I think they are worth reading.
Klaas Its highly likely that the fabric could have changed chemically in two and a half years, but unfortunately I am not a forensic expert. However, knowing that lot they would not consider it as evidence, even if the creep said he put it there..they would just say he lied!
WHAT IS THE POWER THAT PVDS HAS OVER THOSE PEOPLE?
THAT IS ITEM 1 ON MY LIST.
did the Holloways ever try to get a Grand Jury here in the US to try the case???? you know i am 4’9″ tall and weight about 100 lbs and i cant imagine my roomie digging me up and moving me somewhere several times…….just doesnt add up to me….
also, if three former friends are in a jail cell, being taped without their knowledge, and they are mad because they dont want to be there, dont you all think what they say is the gospel, then it was put in court records….thats like written in stone……
So Aruba has gangs – but we knew about those – all you have to do is google about it. Would dads have to protect their sons from these Aruba gangs?
@23 –>So they recovered a crab trap with fabric. So who is to say it wasn’t what Natalee was last wearing? It might not have been what Natalee was last SEEN wearing, but who is to say it wasn’t what she last had on? Is everbody assuming she immediately went missing in the turquoise top?
And @24 –>That’s a really good point!
do you all have Scared Monkeys t shirts???? i would love to have one…
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SM: We do at Cafepress but I can’t find the link right now. Dugga must have removed it for some reason. I’ll try and find out what happened. (klaasend)
Convicted?
Are these alleged bullets approved my the local mafia & drug trafficking cartels?
Is the alleged handgun approved by the correct corrupt government officials?
Were any of these alleged individuals under the influence of marijuana?
Have any of these alleged individuals been offered the chance to change their witness statements 23 times?
Have any of these alleged individuals been offered the chance to change certain facts in their witness statements 20 times?
Have any of these alleged individuals been offered the chance to offer a bogus alibi?
Have any of these alleged individuals been offered the chance to have lying witnesses come forth in their favor to offer an alibi-lie?
Have any of these alleged individuals been allowed the chance to have a cell phone smuggled into their cells?
Have any of these alleged individuals been allowed the chance to be allowed to roam free for ten days to craft their alibis?
Have any of these alleged individuals been allowed the chance to be allowed to have their statements torn up and thrown into the trash?
Have any of these alleged witnesses been offered the chance to a second witness statement, in an unknown language, that they have to sign?
Have any of these alleged witnesses been offered the chance to explain why their dogs commit suicide?
Are you really, really certain that these alleged individuals did not hit their head and then commit suicide?
Are you really, really certain that these alleged individuals did not end up in a choller house?
Are you really, really certain that these alleged individuals did not drug, rape and throw themselves into the ocean – alive – themselves?
Are you really, really certain that this so called, alleged sun was shining?
Are you really, really certain that these individuals are allegedly telling the truth?
This is because… you do not under-stand our laws. You silly, silly Americans.
Some may be overlooking the point here:
Natalee Holloway: Gang Members Get Arrested in Aruba for Attempted Murder but no Prosecution for Joran Van der Sloot
Do you all see the word Attempted ??? So if the gang actually killed the guy would it be OK ???
The day I figure out aruba will be the day I die
Oh, I forgot one.
Do any of these alleged suspects have [b]seizures[/b]?
Do any of these alleged suspects have [b]seizures[/b]?
Do any of these alleged suspects have [b]seizures[/b]?
Do any of these alleged suspects have [b]seizures[/b]?
Do any of these alleged suspects have [b]seizures[/b]?
Do any of these alleged suspects have [b]seizures[/b]?
This is because… you silly, silly Americans do not under-stand cover up & corruption.
So, Now US-Homeland Security is going comply with Aruba’s request to expand their services on the island, for the benefit of US-tourist (Immigration and Customs). Homeland Security will be giving now extra service to make traveling easier for private jet/charter passengers who arrive and depart from the island from the new private terminal at the airport. HOW DARE THEY Lend us a US-hand!!!!!
ASCREWBA = “THE HELLHOLE OF THE CARIBBEAN.”
DAMN; WHY WOULD ANYONE GO THERE?
OH, I FORGOT — THEY AREN’T.
HAVE ANOTHER NICE, DOLLARLESS DAY.
WHERE’S NATALEE???????????
Duh… Surely not gangs on “One Happy Island”.
I seem to remember Joran and Depak calling themselves a gang and referring to themselves at the PIMPS.
Maybe Natalee was just another night out with the gang. Or an itituation for little brother Satish???
~Think about it
“…According to the judge, there is NO EVIDENCE that Thiel had planned with Lo-A-Njoe to murder someone. It was NOT CLEAR either during the trial, whether Thiel knew that his friend had firearms with him. Thiel was driving, when Lo-A-Njoe pulled two guns…”
Ok, let’s see if I get this.
According to the judge, other then the fact that Thiel was driving, there was:
1. NO EVIDENCE Thiel planned a murder with the shooter
2.NO EVIDENCE Thiel knew his friend had guns
…and the judge still GAVE HIM 18 months.
Someone needs to tell poor Thiel that for him to win an appeal all he has to do is site the Van Der Sloot/ Holloway case.
NO PHYSICAL EVIDENCE A CRIME WAS COMMITTED MEANS NO CRIME WAS COMMITTED..Zip..Nada. He’ll be out in an hour.
Keep pullin’ the pud Leo.
URGENT PRESS RELEASE FROM THE ARUBAN GOVERNMENT
Americans do not understand the Aruban Legal System. Aruba understands that the Aruba-Bound American Tourist is a slow learner. So, I am typing this very slowly so the Aruban-Bound American Tourist can understand.
The new system is a 3 Level System. The new levels are:
1)Felony – Anything bad said about the Elite Class – the Dutch Nationalist. This includes calling Joran a Murder, Paulus an A$$CLOWN, or Anita a PIG. Saying anything bad about Rudy or Nelson will no longer be tolerated. However calling them LIARS is not a crime as everyone in Aruba LIES!
2)MisterMeaner – Any crime by the Common Class. Should you be caught by Aruba’s dysfunctional Police Department you deserve to be punished. If you are caught, contact your nearest DRUG DEALER, who will contact one of the many corrupt government officals, who will arrange a payoff. Remember not to use an ATM TWICE in the same night for your payoff as some IDIOT had already tried that.
3)Sport – ANY CRIME against an American Tourist. The new cause of death of an American Tourist will be SUICIDE if the body is found. However if the body is not found the ruling is “HOMESICKNESS” as the tourist must have become HOMESICK, couldn’t wait for their plane, and decided to swim home! Just go to CnC’s and have a beer – they’ll get home soon.
Should you feel your camera, watch, jewelry, etc. was stolen, which would be incorrect as Aruba is a CRIMEFREE COUNTRY, check our Aru-Bay.com site. Remember it’s not about your property, it’s “HOW MUCH MONEY DO YOU HAVE?”
To the AMERICAN TOURIST, Aruba does care about your safety, they care ONLY about taking your money!!!!
Justice for Natalee
Can I ask a question…Natalee was suppose to be wearing the green top when she was last seen….on the you-tube video where Joran threw the wine in Peters face, there was a picture shown of Natalee and Joran together and she had on a white tank top. She looked stoned on this picture. Does anyone know where that pic was taken?
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SM: That wasn’t a real picture. That was a photo found on Joran’s hard drive where he had himself photoshopped into an older photo of Natalee just goofing off with friends (klaasend)
#25 always 1
Klaasend has done a fantastic job of organizing all of the old evidence over in the forum. There are timelines. photographs, maps, who’s who, and all of the early statements and information. The dialogue between Urine and the Kalpoes was taped in the back seat of a police car, without their knowledge. Joran does threaten Deepak with revealing information about him hitting a girl and it sounds like he’s referring to her as being hit by a car. There is a translation explanation included. After reading the Hodges website, I just bought the book. The paperback version is on sale at amazon.com.
Can anyone tell me the translation for the word choller? I recall one of the three scumbags at one point referring to Natalee as a choller. Choller was also the name of Urine’s poor dog.
Thanks Sm. That had me wondering.
thank you ss, i appreciate it….
SS #42
They did not refer to Natalee as a choller. A choller is a person that is a drug addict bum.
The reference from the three scumbags was about a choller that Joran assaulted and threw off of a bridge for no reason other than he wanted to hurt someone.
Natalee was not referred to as a choller in that conversation.
MD
Gabe – who owns this freaking funeral home already?
http://tinyurl.com/29fr3f
I’ll keep askin’ and you keep ignorin’
it said Yolanda Wever owned the funeral home in one of the SM blogs…
you all talk about the funerel home on your July 16,2007 blog rob…….
The cover up & corruption in the Natalee Holloway case is Aruba’s & Holland’s 9/11.
Except in their case, the terror came from within.
Only that day, for you Aruba & NL, will last until you return Natalee Holloway.
Do you still think we are not serious?
I can do this forever.
does anyone know where the transcripts are where joran and deepok are arguing in jail and joran says something about hitting Natalee with the car?
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In the tape of J and K2 while in the car during the first arrest there is mention by Joran of
one of the K2 hitting a girl with the car.
I don’t know if this is what you are talking about but trascripts are on this site
(I have trouble finding them but they may be under MISSING/natalie/documents)
Always 1
The trancript of the car conversation is
under Forums/Natalie Important Case Documents.
This is the part about the car.
“Joran: That’s what you think.
Deepak: I’m going home.
Joran: Wait until I’m going to tell stuff about you two. Then we’ll see if you two are going home.
Deepak: I guarantee you.
Joran: Don’t you think that the police is interested in knowing that Satish touched a girl with the car?
[the word 'geraakt' is being used, translated here literally, but you can use the word 'hit' also in the context].
Satish: He heh one [?], you let me laugh boy, just laugh.
Deepak: (to Joran) You know dang well, you always try to put bullshit between us.
Joran: (to Deepak) Then you’re going to tell shit about the ChoHer [choller]? I have helped you with that that shit of the choller friend.
Deepak: And, I also said that.
Joran: That I have not read. I have
If a person is drugged, raped and thrown into the ocean alive in Aruba, and no one sees it, is it a crime?
You silly, silly Americans just do not under-stand our seizures.
To Every Monkey or Blogger reading these posts:
Please, if you can —send donations to keep the persistence going: (they are tax-deductable):
The Natalee Holloway Foundation
PO Box 4363
Meridian, MI 39304
******* JUSTICE FOR NATALEE *********
Contributions to the Persistence also can be sent to Texas Equusearch. The phone is 281-398-9500; the e-mail is Tim.Miller@TexasEquusearch.org.
My mistake on the phone: CORRECT number is:
281-309-9500
Website is:
http://www.TexasEquusearch.org.
saoirse……you’re too funny !! (but i agree with you)good points.
# 46, Dear good old Rob,
I’ve read that question a bunch of times, but I just laughed, because when everyone wants to start playing detective you start getting strange questions like the one you asked. You get people start to make up all kind of story which just blurs up the actual situation even more. e.g. Some smart A** said I was with Beth on the first night when she was on the island, then I was to appear in some court in Florida, then I was a citizen of the state of Florida, then I was working for ATA, then I’m part of a so called conspiracy which Aruba is pushing, according to these famous detectives, and trying to cover up everything the sun touches. Then on another day I was Simian or was it Simnion /Shango or something like that who posted a bunch of times on this blogg….ANd so I can go on with e.g. of when you get a bunch of people in jammies and a Computer trying to play inspector gadget and want to make their rule that of the law! One day got an e-mail of some guy named Bill, asking me if I’m willing to help in what way what so ever with info (If I do recalled he said he blogged actively here and must have gotten my e-mail from this site). I e-mailed him back telling him I will not mind helping, because there are so many barriers in languages / law / culture etc and plus everyone having a mind and thinking the way they want and adding to that the ridiculous reports in the Media just makes allot of things to not make sense anymore. After mailing about two or three times I told this guy I’m willing, BUT will not help no one who supports or is active or trying to push a so called boycott and will not let myself be used for that reason. Never again heard from him!
Anyways Good old Rob, inspector gadget, Owner from that funeral home is Yolanda Wever. Eugene Wever is her Son and Leo (is this man’s FIRST NAME) and his last name is Leonardo. The three of them run that funeral home, that’s why it says Yolanda-Leo-Eugene. Eureka?!! Want directions and telephone numbers too????? But hey guess that doesn’t fit anymore in one of your scenario’s, so most probably you will still say that it’s my family owned right????
thank you nctripp
that would be Meridian, Ms. not Mi.
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