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It is billed as One Happy and Safe Island yet lately Aruba has resembled nothing more than a typical inner city with the crimes being committed. Drug arrests, murders, robberies and an abundance of traffic deaths one has to wonder what is going on in this tiny Caribbean Island. For many years Aruba prided itself on not being this way. Crimes existed on other islands. No longer. Places where people vacation are not supposed to be like inner cities. It is supposed to be a vacation.The travel agents may want to add an addendum to their brochures to warn tourists.
Maybe this is partially because the Aruban police consistently bring a knife to a gun fight, metaphorically speaking. Is it a standard practice to continually not arrest criminals due to a lack of evidence? There seems to be a pattern. It was not just Joran Van der Sloot who was released for lack of evidence in the case of missing Natalee Holloway. Interestingly enough, criminals always find a way to stay in trouble with the law.
… chief of police Peter de Witte didn’t want to say yet whether the police had indeed run up against a criminal network during a routine action.
The in Colombia born Hernan Tobias Quiñonez Villareal, popular as ‘El Flaco’, was guilty of several drug- and violent crimes. He has been arrested before, but not convicted due to lack of evidence.
Suspect in the shooting tragedy still on the run (Amigoe: 4/28/2008)
Police officers carrying off the body of the 38-years old marksman ‘El Flaco’.
ORANJESTAD – The third suspect in the shooting tragedy, when a 38-year old man lost his life last Saturday morning, is still on the run. The police arrested four persons during a house search; three of them are meanwhile released. The police do not rule out more arrests in this case, whereby the police have probably run up against a huge network of drug dealers.
Yesterday during a press conference, chief of police Peter de Witte didn’t want to say yet whether the police had indeed run up against a criminal network during a routine action. He did say though that the man that was shot to death last Saturday was an ‘old friend’ of the police. The in Colombia born Hernan Tobias Quiñonez Villareal, popular as ‘El Flaco’, was guilty of several drug- and violent crimes. He has been arrested before, but not convicted due to lack of evidence. He was deported after this case, and was most probably back on the island as an illegal person. He was driving with two other persons on the Caya Betico Croes last Saturday, when the police signaled them to stop near Hooiberg. When they refused to do so, the police forced them by cornering their car. The three suspects fled and hid behind a house. El Flaco pulled a heavy caliber gun and fired on the police officers and injured the left arm of one of them. Both police officers fired back and killed El Flaco. His gun was found next to his body.
We don’t know whether the other two suspects have also fired at the police officers. They fled towards the very thickly wooded Hooiberg. One was arrested real soon. The police didn’t release the identity of the two men, of which one is still on the run. It is not sure whether the police assume that this fugitive is still in Aruba. Justice raided two housed after the shooting tragedy and arrested four men and found drugs. Three of the four arrestees are already released. “We do not rule out that more arrests will follow”, said De Witte yesterday. After interrogations, the four passengers of a car that was stopped near Piedra Plat on Saturday morning seemed to have nothing to do with the shooting tragedy.
This shooting incident so shortly after the incident in December, made the police officers realize that it can also happen to either one of them. The officer that was injured is doing reasonably well. De Witte explains that after the incident in December, the police corps has taken the criticism to increase the safety of the officers, very seriously. “Both colleagues were wearing their bullet free jacket last Saturday. But also the community has a responsibility. As a society, we must not think that this is normal. The corps has made the possession, dealing, and using of firearms one of their priorities, but the society is also responsible.”
He urges people to report illegal firearms and/or keepers of these via the anonymous tip-line 1141.
Posted April 29, 2008 by Scared Monkeys Aruba, Crime, Joran Van der Sloot, Missing Persons, Natalee Holloway, Travel | 184 comments |
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What ever happened to the Urin8er is he still in the nut house ??? Any word on the legal actions agenst the sloots ???
Just wanting to catch up !!! Almost looks like this case is dead to the media and news
God Bless the Holloways !!!
Sadly, as the days turn into weeks and the story has not been in the media again…I feel that nothing will ever happen to bring the Holloways any true justice. =(
So, the best anyone can hope for is that by some miracle of God–another substantial private donation or other contributions can put PERSISTENCE back at sea? They said they had identified so many targets, but have run out of money.
As we approach the 3rd Anniversary of Natalee Holloway’s disappearance and death, I ask for help for a spirit more powerful than us.
Lord, Jesus Christ, we know you died for our sins. We still believe in you and will accept whatever you give us, and still honor you. Through God, we know that all things are possible. Please show us the way.
I don’t know what else to do but pray.
-Justice for Natalee
Buster (#1) … There are reports that Joran is off roaming around Thailand. I haven’t found any confirmation of them in the regular media, and there may be reason to think the “photos” of him are faked.
Wherever the scum is, let’s hope he’s in hell mentally.
This quote from the article above is interesting:
“As a society, we must not think that this is normal. The corps has made the possession, dealing, and using of firearms one of their priorities, but the society is also responsible.”
What’s this? If Aruba is “one safe, happy island,” as we have been told repeatedly, why are the police criticizing society?
Can it be that they don’t believe this pabulum any more than we do? Very interesting … maybe the Aruba police will sue their tourism board.
Meanwhile, I guess Arubans will have to get used to this sort of thing (as if the Pitbull case wasn’t enough). Seems like their government, rather than provide answers in Natalee’s case, is determined to keep seeking tourists wherever it can.
And they were crowing about the influx of Colombians. Hey, Arubans, don’t blame us … try blaming your own government, and speaking up for justice.
Next discovery: Aruba’s cops, and half their government, are in cahoots with the drug dealers (the big-time ones, I mean, not the punks like the Kalpoes). No wonder nobody has moved to disbar PvdScum ….
By the way, there’s an article out today on Pitcairn Island, that “island paradise” in the South Pacific originally settled by those crew members who took part in the famous Mutiny on the Bounty.
It’s too long to paste here, but apparently, on this insular island, child abuse and sexual assault had become a way of life and was accepted as normal. Few girls remained virgins by age 12.
Australia apparently is taking action against some of the locals, who are furious at “outsiders” coming in and breaking up “local customs.”
Moral: There IS no “island paradise.” Aruba certainly has shown the falsity of this myth. And the myth itself has been exploded.
maybe if people are losing their small businesses .. the kalpoes will loose the internet cafe qand have to resort to beggin on the streets
Yep, this is what I was talking about on Saturday/Sunday. It finally made it to the news. I was trying to tell Esther about it. There are soooo many guns on the streets on the island. All it takes is to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. Just too much. And I think all those people were partying at Senor Frogs earlier in the night. What if a fight broke out there and they started shooting? Then the results would have been a million times worst. They don’t even search for guns and weapons at the doors of the clubs.
Be careful over there Sasha….flying bullets…Senor Frogs has a reputation of just pouring Tequila down your throat…..if they are drinking and carrying weapons the odds would be something disastrous….wish you safety!!!!
Not complete lack of hope if Beth can continue on with her civil suit…which I hope she does!!! Joran and the Kalpoes cannot get away with this….!!!
new girl #2…..pray everyday and boycott aruba in every way, shape and form you can. spread the word about natalee’s case. wear the tee shirts, hand out brochures, flyers, etc. it may seem like a small thing to do, but i wear my boycott aruba/still missing tee every chance i get. i’ve also purchased a couple of others from cafepress.com. people always ask me some sort of question about natalee’s case. i’m more than obliged to fill them in. i carry some homemade brochures that i printed myself, i keep a few in my tote or purse, i hand them out. every little thing you can do to get the word out helps the cause. and pray every day for justice for natalee.
You know Oduber has money invested in drugs and guns. Who do you think his militants are? Just the word, militant, is an indication that they carry weapons… Probably, bigger than the POLICE! There are so many drugs down there, they offer it to anyone… young and old. To them, it’s no big deal.
I really like the way the article is written, asking the people to report the illegal ownership of any firearms… I hope they get some response. But when you’re dealing with crack heads and cocaine blowers…
Like the Beatles said, there’s nothing like sleeping with a “warm gun”.
Those people are dangerous without their coke… but, more so, because of their state of mind. THEY’re CRAZY! Paranoid and shit.
The LAST person
you’d want to have a gun
in thier hands.
My thoughts and prayers are with the officer, who was injured because of making a routine stop. I pray for complete recovery.
Everyone knows there are clean cops, as well.
.
Periodically, I get some Military Information on my computer… for some reason. And one of them were congratulating a navy crew for confiscating more than 20 TONS, 40,000 pounds of Cocaine while doing a sweep through Aruba, Columbia, through the Panama Canal and up the South Pacific.
AWESOME!
Justice takes Patience…
.
Boycott Aruba!
I DONT GO TO SENOR FROGS or near any of those clubs/streets in downtown at nights. It is very unsafe with all the gangsters, drug dealers and also just kids HIGH on drugs and alcohol driving like crazy.
Also, there was another death on the island over the weeknend. Another guy overdosed on drugs and causing problems in downtown. The police arrested him and he died at the police station from the overdose.
Yeah Richard. Joran appears to be in Thailand … Dutch tourists spotted him and taped him in Bangkok. Footage aired last night on RTL Boulevard. He still wears the same baseball cap.
#10 Patti…Well said. You perfectly described everything.
Monkeys
Never give up Hope!
There is a higher power to believe in.
Justice will be done
Humankind is not soooo powerful.
We are not more then an ant in this world, a link in the whole chaine.
Never give up Hope
Boycott this rotten, dirty, corrupt, criminal piece of lava
Justice for Natalee
The day will come
Hang the guilty slluuutss$$$$$$
Start with the old rotten creapy piece of garbage and “his” Anita!!
Saw on one of the blogs the reason Joran always wears a cap, it’s not necessarily for a disguise, he’s balding! Although one of the Thailand pictures shows him sporting a full head of longer hair…hope its a wig or an artful comb-over. Hey, I wish him all the human frailties known to man…baldness, acne, colitis, halitosis, stuttering, toothache, ear wax, psoriasis, impotence, b.o., and every STD known, and all of those readily available in Thailand.
sasha
please be extremely careful.. and dont be so eager to meet these trolls that come here from atuba to blog.. they could sell you out.. to the cops… there may be some honest cops but the dity cops and govt over power these honest ones… be be be careful… I stutter to make a point!!!
W
oopsie!!
meant to say we want you safe.. but do appreciate you coming foward.. be safe
katie
sasha??
do you see alot of american tourist on the island.. I know this is probably off season.. but were you there during peak tourist season.. how is the moral in aruba…?
I agree!!!!
pauulus and anita should be the first to get their due!!!! than joran.!!!!. lets not forget the ugly bugg eyed kalpoe brothers..!!!!
no wonder those two couldnt get a girlfriend they look abnormal
I heard they got kicked out of their country for crimes against girls ..RAPE ETC ETC…
isnt there a law against producing ugly children??
SENIOR FROGS IS OWNED BY CARLOS N CHARLIES
Sex changes in Bangkok go for $3,500.00 Maybe that’s what the urin8er is doing there going for the ultimate NO ONE COULD spot me change
Thanks for all your concerns. I am very very very careful. They dont know I know about this site and I dont even mention it to anyone. I dont trust anyone on the island.
As for the economy and the tourism, well, they had an okay season. Last year was the worst. To be honest, the Holloway case might have effected the tourism for the first year or two. But things have been a bit more steady. The truth is, some people might say, the Holloway case was just a one time thing and it can happen anywhere, so they dont really pay too much attention to that UNFORTUNATELY…BUT when they do see the crime with their own eyes, or when they are constantly being approached by drug dealers, or they get robbed in their hotel rooms and/or the street, then they realize things.
The tourist for the most part stay at their resort, though and all they see and read is the Aruba Today newspaper, which it only talks about the new restaurants and the repeat guests that come to Aruba every year. It’s just a Marketing newspaper. The tourist never ever get to see the real Aruba newspaper that reports on all the crime, problems, accidents, etc…So again, for the most part, the tourist have no idea what is really going on until they experience something bad when they are in downtown. But it will just be a matter of time for them to start seeing things.
so Sasha, do you know where the Van Der Sloots house is, (if you have already been asked this, sorry) is anyone staying there? do you know why the lighthouse closed down for tourists, some site say it was because someone jumped from it…do teens really still swim nude there???
Poor Natalee….little did she know..but Joran and the Kalpoes did…we want her back…Paulus only covered up for you because of Joran…fools!!!!
Shasha…thank you for your post…
Where oh where is Mayan been?
@ #9, Kaye–
Yes, I have a J4N Totebag that I got from JusticeforNatalee (Vicki) and believe me, I do get the word out to all who will listen when the time is appropriate.
I have donated monetarily where I could, and will continue to do so. I was unable to attent the protest in Boston, but I have written and appealed to every circuit available.
You are right- it may not seem like much- but every little bit helps.
I still don’t think justice will ever be properly served which is why I brought praying and God into my last post….It is all one can do.
-J4N
Thanks, Sasha.
You’re so sweet to do this, but like Katie says, you need to be real careful. Oduber and the Minister of Justice, Rudy Croes, doesn’t like anyone talking to us. So, please, continue to keep it a secret and don’t meet with anyone you don’t know.
I only have one question:
Do you think Oduber can be overthrown?
From the sounds of it, this guy, Flaco, was a repeat offender but was never convicted due to lack of evidence. What does the name Flaco mean?
Stay safe!
Patti
#23 He sure would make one UGLY freaky huge woman, stomping around with those HUGE canoe feet!
#25…No I dont know where the van der sloot’s home is exactly. I never really cared and I never drove down that road. As far as I know the family is still living there. Their youngest son is graduating next month from the International School of Aruba. So, the family is still definitely on the island.
As for the lighthouse, I thought they were doing some construction to it. But I never heard about someone jumping from it. I will sure findout, though. Also, no I have never ever seen teenagers swimming by the lighthouse. It’s really not a good area for swimming.
This is an extra long weekend on the island. Starting tomorrow, most places are closed to celebrate the Queen’s b.day and also it’s Labor day. So, I am confident (unfrotunately), there will be a lot of problems this week. I will keep you all posted.
That link to the Joran vid that I posted
the other day, is supposed to be old cam
footage. Possibly as far back as March.
Boycott Aruba
Blam Blam to Them Fall…
Keep kickin’ the $hit out of ‘em people!
Don’t let them up to breathe, not even for
a second.
-j4n
http://tinyurl.com/6ctw6r
http://tinyurl.com/4yX4ta
#27…where is Mayan been….I don’t know but there are some people on here probably hired to destroy the site because they are way to opionated and force there thoughts….but act like they are justice for Natalee…a difference of opinion is always welcome along with other scenario’s but to shoot someone down all the time is just wrong….I see more and more people leaving…!!!!!
Somewhat related;
Remember when SM posted Obama and the Rev Wright.
I told my wife that if the presidential race gets serious Obama better distance himself, not only because of what was insinuated with what Wright said of Natalee but if Obama did nothing Wright would burn his ass.
Well well well.
Thanks Sasha for answering…..pls be careful
Thanks Patti…I am very aware and very careful of the situation. And no I will not meet with anyone I dont know.
I do think Oduber/MEP will be finished next year. People of Aruba are tired of the corrupt government. They finally realized it after so many years. Nobody thinks that MEP will win again.
I dont know what the name Flaco means. I had never heard of him before.
There are liar posters on here and I think it is obvious who they are!!!!
Two posts today by it….!!!!!
I don’t think I want to do this anymore….it’s getting too mean..I support Natalee and I hope in all my heart that justice will be served…God Bless those that really care for Natalee..
Sasha, we appreciate your coming here and giving us all of this information. Please do be careful, and keep your eyes open. Thanks so much.
#34 brie. I’m still here. I think that a lot of people just get discouraged. A lot of times, I just can’t think of anything else to say. I just read the posts and feel bad. Hopefully, people aren’t being chased away from SM. Surely, if there is news from Beth’s lawsuit or from the Persistence, people will come back to post.
I sent a check to TX Equusearch recently. I just wonder if they also had to leave Aruban waters because of trouble with Venezuela or other things that we don’t know about. I hope that the other targets will eventually be inspected.
boycott aruba
molly in houston
Crime happens everywhere. What doesn’t happen
in the US. ia letting 3 perps walk free for
no reason given whatsoever. ALE can’t explain that.
So, we need to find out why!!!!!!
If you don’t get Natalee’s perps… I’m gonna
blogz me li’l balls off, and level the goddam island.
Put money on it. -j4n
hey mayan…
hello to ya, wherever you are.
I miss ya.
If joran is in Thailand maybe he will get busted for buying drugs and his Daddy will not be able to save him. Maybe if we are lucky he will take care of himself. There is a young woman in jail in Indonesia now for having 10 lbs of dope in a suitcase. She could have been given a death sentence. We could be that lucky with joran.
BOYCOTT ARUBA JUSTICE FOR NATALEE.
Does anyone remember the two young men that were hanged somewhere near ASIA about 20 years ago for having dope in a suitcase. Even the POPE could not save them. Joran go ahead and smoke all the dope you can buy. We may get lucky,YET.
BOYCOTT ARUBA JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
Sasha, what a load of nonsense you tell here about Aruba, you make it sound like it’s a crossover betweem Sodom & Gomorrah and Easten Germany. While in fact it still is paradise, it has the hassles every modern society has, but it’s still a great place to be. If not the best place ! You can magnify every little detail which ever happened on the island and make it look very bad. You can do that with any place in the world. Stop telling lies like you know what is going on here on Aruba, you clearly don’t. Relax, take a beer, have a bbq and enjoy the beach. You are just enjoying the sympathy of the o so scared monkeys here. Te Aworo ! (btw there still are loads of American tourists here, great, bon bini !)
Hi friends!
Just posted something new for our Natalee on You Tube.
It’s called NATALEES STAR. You can find it under hermanvandijk.
I do my best!
Greetings!
Herman
#42…..Hi Molly, thank you for being there…it does get discouraging but I guess you can’t give up…however sometimes you get chastised…and there are 3 that do it continually…Klass has done many edits on people that I don’t believe were necessary and people don’t even know what it was they said…. however it is there site but has caused a minor riot..sometimes people need to use the dictionary….and caused damage to posters that are really here for all the right reasons….however it was great of you to participate in the protest for Natalee in Houston and brought lunch to boot…
there is absolutely no rationale for believing that aruba is one iota safer than anywhere else in the world to anyone who reads their own newspapers. aruba is lying to the rest of the world about how safe it is, particularly for tourists who try to drive on the island or go off the beaten path at all. and if aruban tourism minister wasn’t lying, and the whole caribbean region is using aruba as a model for law enforcement in cases like natalee’s, you’d have to be plumb nuts to vacation anywhere in the region.
dennisintn
Hello and goodmorning to you deep sleepers overthere.
It’s Holland.
Keeping all my work for the cause of Natalee!
And also hoping for better times to make the best private for Natalee.
I’ve a clearminded gift on my own way.
Let me or say: What did you earn at the song of Moses?
Who are you?.. This it it: bringing Natalee moneylose back into a live she can understand!
I’m just a becoming look-up stranger after all this years…
Believe me: I shall not earn any money for Natalee: n`ever I shall!!!
Stick Aruba in your effing ear, and many other
convenient locations throughout the greater metro area, Don.
Aruba is awful. Just ask Natalee. They let
the murdering, raping Vandersloots & Kalpoes
throw her away at sea.
Today is day # 1066
…and maybe it happened this way:
Joran-stein – drugged and raped her
Deepak – raped her
Satish – raped her & hit her with the car.
It was enough to cause her to hit the
pavement full force, on her head.
The wreck wasn’t enough to do any harm
to the bodywork on D’s fag mobile.
So, the guys run back to the Racquet Club,
because it is a place the guys go
frequently… and it is in their
COMFORT ZONE.
They talk out a plan to get rid of her.
Deepak & Joran-stein go back to fetch a gat.
Or maybe they called a friend over that has one?
Dunno which one… maybe one of those two
cross-dressing faggots Geoffery or Guido,
that Captain Hiney Pirate liked to play
slap & tickle and hide the pickle with!
I feel so light and happy now. I gotta go wee, wanna see me?
Okayyy, WEEEEEEEEE! I’mmmm flyinggggg
just like Peter Pan.
Anita is that why you sew trap ass
doors into Joran’s Fruit of the Looms? I’m
thinkin’ he’s hangin’ more to the fruit
side these days, than his looms…
What say you?
That’s how Paulus got
the cellphone into J, huh? His trick
ass door? OPENNNNNNNNNN SESAMEEEEE
I hope he washed that thing before
each & every call.
It jus’ make a brother say, “damn.”
CONT’D
..next, the guys then plugged a cap right between our baby’s eyes, to put her out of her misery. To make sure she was in fact dead.
The drugs, dna, and a gunshot dead center of
the forehead is what the guys mean by:
“THEY WILL SEE THAT $HI*” They could pretty
much explain away everything right up until
the moment they put a bullet in her head.
The magical 15 years number. MURDER!
They want to claim it’s an accident, but it
was anything but that! She was stalked,
terrorized, and assaulted by three known sex
predators from Aruba. We’d have the
body if it was ANYTHING ELSE but murder…
We’d definitely have it from just a run of
the mill drug overdose. The manslughter
was getting hit by the car. The perps claim
it was a freak accident.
CLOSE: The boys are freaks, and there was also an accident.
They like to say she was “TOUCHED WITH
A CAR” … in Dutch that means,
Hello, my name is MORTA,
and I just ran some poor
mf over.
-justice 4 nat!
—
…and maybe it happened this way.
—
Joran-stein – drugged and raped her
Deepak – raped her
Satish – raped her & hit her with the car.
It was enough to cause her to hit the
pavement full force, on her head.
The wreck wasn’t enough to do any harm
to the bodywork on D’s fag mobile.
So, the guys run back to the Racquet Club,
because it is a place the guys go
frequently… and it is in their
COMFORT ZONE.
They hash out a plan to get rid of her.
Deepak & Joran-stein go back to fetch a gat.
Or maybe they called a friend over that has one?
Dunno which one… maybe one of those two
cross-dressing faggots Geoffery or Guido,
that Captain Hiney Pirate liked to play
slap & tickle and hide the pickle with!
I feel so light and happy now. I gotta go wee, wanna see me?
Okayyy, WEEEEEEEEE! I’mmmm flyinggggg
just like Peter Pannnnnn.
Anita is that why you sew trap ass
doors into Joran’s Fruit of the Looms?
I’m thinkin’ he’s hangin’ more to the fruit
side these days, than his looms…
What say you?
That’s how Paulus got
the cellphone into J, huh? His trick
ass door? OPENNNNNNNNNN SESAMEEEEE
I hope he washed that thing before
each & every call.
It jus’ make a brother say, “damn.”
CONT’D
..next, the guys then plugged a cap right between our baby’s eyes, to put her out of her misery. To make sure she was in fact dead.
The drugs, dna, and a gunshot dead center of
the forehead is what the guys mean by:
“THEY WILL SEE THAT $HI*” They could pretty
much explain away everything right up until
the moment they put a bullet in her head.
The magical 15 years number. MURDER
They want to claim it’s an accident, but it
was anything but that! She was stalked,
terrorized, and assaulted by three known sex
predators from Aruba. We’d have the
body if it was ANYTHING ELSE but murder…
We’d definitely have it from just a run of
the mill drug overdose. The manslughter
was getting hit by the car. The perps
claim it was a freak accident.
They also like to say she was “TOUCHED WITH
A CAR” … in Dutch that means, Hello, my name is MORTA, and I just ran some poor mf over.
-justice 4 nat!
Shasha, it not about nonsense, don’t pay any attention to him, I think your post the truth and we appreciate your input…stay safe…I think you know how to do that….sorry for the the input of those that really don’t care…..please stay with us!! Thank you for your help!!!!
Remember: not all say… Jesus was a cheap one! Of course not.
But…
Yes thank you so much Molly, and BRIE, dont get discouraged. Every DOG has their day..I dont post as much because Im so busy with the justicefornatalee@gmail.com site, mailing out tote bags and tshirts and working….getting protests together…which reminds me…COME TO WASHINGTON DC PEOPLE. STAND UP FOR NATALEE…WE HAVE ALMOST 2 MONTHS. Hotel rooms are 70.00 a night. PPL can share rooms…Come for the weekend, a day, a few hours….
All,
Sorry that no one takes up personly contact… my computer crashed… because of Natalee?
It’s all working alricht.
Loosing my friends?
Herman
Carpe, you are so full of hate. Unbelievable. You use Nathalee’s case as alibi for you fascist feelings. Demonise that what you fear or don’t understand. Classic case. Come to Aruba and you will see with your own eyes that lots of things which are stated here about Aruba are far from the truth. But I guess you are not man enough for that.
flaco means thin.. skinny
patti
thats spanish
the name flaco.. nickname for think skinny
Look buddy, I understand you completely. …and I know for damn sure I do not fear that pussy ass discount store of an island you live on.
DON, it is this simple. A girl disappeared in Aruba, after going off in a car with three local boys.
They have lied ever since, and Aruba seems to
back them in this. Natalee Holloway never seen
alive again.
Then you people attacked her family while they
were trying to desperately find their baby.
PLEASE, you people make me sick.
ARUBA can eat it.
You are the scum of the earth,
to back those 3 hoods, instead
of Nat’s family.
THE END
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boy, don’t these two look like sad apples.
http://tinyurl.com/3zsXkb
http://tinyurl.com/6cfkrw
boy, don’t these two look like sad apples.
http://tinyurl.com/3zsXkb
http://tinyurl.com/6cfkrw
Brie. The input of those that really don’t care….
Sorry, but I do care. I think what happened to Nathalee was awfull. It’s hard to accept that whohever harmed her is not arrested yet. I also believe Joran is the killer. It would be a shame if he would get away with it. But our (Dutch) legal system is strange in some cases. I hope he gets arrested in Thailand for drugs or something and ends up for 20 years in a nasty jail. But the way you project this case on Aruba and the Aruban society has nothing to do with justice. Most of you talk nonsense about Aruba, maybe never even visited it. you read the Amigoe and thats it. Again, you can make a caricature of any society in that way, of every hometown you might live in. If you are so much for justice here you should know that no individual Aruban is reponsible for the government and law enforcement. Just as you in the US are not responsible for the acts of your government. Or is the blood of all te Iraqi children and killed US soldiers on your hands as well ?
For Natalee’s family. I pray everyday that you
get all the answers that you seek, and that this awful awful A W F U L nightmare will be put to rest soon.
http://tinyurl.com/5r4wdv
We all love Nat, a bunch.
-j4n
Vicky,
I’ve seen Natalees face again today.
The difficulty is that she must be verry down.
I can see her!!!
My Katja is calling me: you wake up and we trie to have a little rest or sleep.
Ive seen Natalee today… I’me trying to get contact!
Herman
Vicky… please cantact me personal oke?
People, ignore the trolls.
Joran must be having a wonderful time in Thialand … every thing is so cheap costs nothing and all the sex he wants.
I hope this country will be a final stumbling
block for Joran and they end up locking him
up. He will trip himself up again… He thinks he walks in freedom but he does not.
Don,
I am just saying things as they are. If I feel like people on this site are wrong, I will also say so. I just say the truth and what I personally see.
All I want you to do is keep up with all the news that happens in Aruba. Read the ARUBAN newspapers like bondia or solo di pueblo. Go to http://www.24ora.com or to http://www.awe24.com Just do that for a couple of weeks and analyze everything yourself. It’s the reality. Like I said, there is crime everywhere in the world. But if you do the math and the statistics, Aruba is only 17 miles long with less than 100,000 people. The crime rate is very high right now. For example, there were 2 shootings in one weekend. That’s a lot for a small tiny island. Even all Arubans say so. If there was 2 shootings a year, then that’s more reasonable, but not so many problems on a weekly basis. Again, do the math, and think about statistics. It’s very high.
And if you read my posting above, I told the people on the site that the touris is NOT as bad as they think they are. I even said some tourist dont pay much attention about the Holloway case, so I am not agreeing with everything they say, I am just saying the truth. But I do feel like these tourist will eventually see all the crime and many of them will stop coming to Aruba if the crime rate continues to be so high.
Again, Don, just please read the papers and try to see things for yourself.
richard
you said..
.People, ignore the trolls.
that’s what I have decided to do..
they dont say anything worth commenting on…
not our mission here to babysit them..
good advise
well taken
Don, who are you really? You are not Aruban because I can tell by the way you write and your English is perfect. You are an American that probably lives on the island. Maybe you are Julia Renfro using a different name perhaps? If so, whoever you are, STOP READING ARUBA TODAY NEWSPAPER. And focus on the real news.
Natalee is not dead òr she can tlet herself see to me!
If no one can feel how it is is and was for Natalee… why then Jesus again calls me to be the zgn stupid dummy as He was?
HE knows private what’s going on and don’t say we are here to say that we the most stupid ones on earth, isn’t it?
We want REST!
Herman
I expect more caracter…
Carpe.
“They have lied ever since, and Aruba seems to
back them in this. Natalee Holloway never seen
alive again”.
- who is Aruba in this ? all of the people of Aruba ? the government ? the Aruban media ? do you think we voted on this subject ?
“Then you people attacked her family while they
were trying to desperately find their baby.”
- which people attacked her ? all 100.000 inhabitants of Aruba ? who is you people ?
Generalizing people because of where they live or where they come from is a very dangerous habit. It has cost millions of people their lives throughout history. Look only to what you people did to the indians once living in your country. The fact that Arubans have indian blood makes it probably a lot easier for you to display your fascist hate towards Arubans.
You really think that you are a better person than me beacuse you live in the US and I live in Aruba.
That’s just pityfull and racist. It’s scary.
You my friend are a demagogue, using big words.
I laugh at you and up another beer, this afternoon it’s bbq time at the beach. Te aworo !
Carpe, you are the sunshine of my day…was that Patti in the picture you posted???
70 don wrong Indians. Yours are spanish and african ours are the American Indian.
It was not American at first. It was the European countries that did in the Native Indian. After 1776 you can say it was the Americans from European decent. After 1820 it was pure greed. Almost like what the Dutch did with the Aruban gold that was removed and taken back to The Neterlands.
So tit for tat. Let’s try to keep the subject to one missing teenage American and the Aruban cover up and just what happened and why no convictions.
By the way the Ameican Indians still live in America. And in case you did not realize the Hard Rock Cafes are owned by the Seminole Indians,,,,,
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2006/12/08/1165081151041.html
don…
your mistaking the big picture, dude!!!! yes, aruba is a beautiful island. been there 4 times… 4give me monkeys, but 4 times since 2004. wont go back though. i see the island of aruba soon becoming like most others, where you are safe only within the resort boundaries. may not happen NOW, but, it will. you see, DON, as beautiful as your island is, as hard as it is for established visitors to give up, in time, those of us who patiently await justice for a beautiful young woman who’s life was- with obvious suspicions of foul play- taken away from her family and friends… in time my dear don, aruba will always have “the holloway case” as their darkest shadow. i loved aruba, i hoped beyond hope that the guilty would be punished and that all could move on. you come off as having a defensive personality disorder, one which belittles your words. anyway you look at it, a crime was committed against natalee- a crime that will haunt aruba for a life time….funny thing is, if it wasnt natalee, something sooner or later was going to change aruba and its reputation. you see, don, nothing is perfect forever. you can only get away with hidden secrets and corruption for so long before it bits you in the behind. it would have simply been easier to have own up to what happend there on your sweet paradise island almost 3 years ago, than to have to deal with the consequences now, even if they happen so gradually that you dont see it immediately. on another note, monkeys again forgive me, but, if anything, natalee is always going to be the reason WHY aruba will always have questions to answer, and the reasons why we have all become so aware of safety issues, our trust levels and especially learning to tolerate others who dont have the maturity to see and understand that the beauty of a human life is much more precious than the beauty of an island. for this gift natalee represents, i am thankful!
Said it before, but doesn’t it seem Joran is a modern day “remittance man”. His family PAY him to stay away. Are they prepared to support him for life, because I can’t see anyone ever wanting to employ him (well, maybe he has ambitions for that pot farm somewhere, some day?) Maybe Van der Sloots’ funds are drying up and it’s cheaper to maintain him in Thailand than elsewhere? A lot of the world’s sickos/losers end up in Thailand (John Karr was one) Thai’s are big on gambling…I’m sure Joran will end up overextending himself at the tables…and they play rough if you can’t ante up.
Don,
Read the first line in this paragraph…
Then the last sentence.
“Generalizing people because of where they live or where they come from is a very dangerous habit. It has cost millions of people their lives throughout history. Look only to what you people did to the indians once living in your country. The fact that Arubans have indian blood makes it probably a lot easier for you to display your fascist hate towards Arubans.”
—
Do you see a conflict?
—
I just wish Aruba would shut the f. up,
and get that idiot HANS MOS to actually
work for his money… and snag Joran
& the Kalpoes, and bring those losers in
for a trial. Like, a real trial… like
a real country, with a real legal system.
I am sure Natalee was given a big warm welcome when she arrived in Aruba and all thought she would spend her dollars on the island.. Come dance in Aruba..Aruba is a fair weather friend.
Once Natalee became a victim of a crime on the island, people went out of their way to call just that girl, only one person, a tramp, a drunk, a lesbian, a racist, not to mention the same being done to her family. Name me one person in Aruba who went out and stood up to the govt.. for justice for Natalee Holloway in Aruba, other than Jossy Mansur? 3 days after Natalee was missing, 2 of the police stations on the island wasn’t even aware Natalee was missing. Beth went to the police station the morning after arriving to give her statement, and Dennis Jacobs,, didn’t have time to take it, he had to shave, have his frosted flakes, and coffee..not to mention using nasty slang words for females around her and Jug. When Dave arrived, he was asked how much money he had and go to Carlos n Charlies and have a beer, but watch out they might drug him.. Dennis Jacobs.. What an honorable policeman for victims rights. How about Dompig related to the Kalpoes, cousin of Boeti, son Michael Joran’s friend tells everyone for 2 and half months on tv, they think Natalee was buried by the lighthouse, then reburied after she overdosed herself. After announcing it for months 3 months later got a search group to look. What an honorable policeman trashing a victim he has no clue about. Van der Straten, as Paulus said worked with him for 8 years, knew them all, friend of the family.. He had good solid evidence against the 2 security guards..where did it go? or this statement by Tim Miller.. of Stratens.. Where did that stuff go..this interview was middle of July 2005.
MILLER: I’ve spent a lot of time with the Police Commissioner van der Straaten, and he told me that he has got enough stuff without a body for prosecution. Our deal is to bring Natalee home. That family needs that body. They need to be able to say goodbye and start their healing process.
Natalee is not alive. I’m sorry. And somebody knows. And now we’re starting to get angry our own self. We’re searchers over here on their island, but now I’m getting angry.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/12/lkl.01.html
Why did he said around June 5, he believes Natalee is dead, he seen the evidence? What an honorable policemen, sure fled fast.
Maybe someone can answer why… Aruba posts on it’s home site..NOONE UNDER 18 ALLOWED IN CASINOS and yet Paulus took his underage son that night out to a casino and then went home(so he says) and left his underage son there to gamble.. Not just that night, other nights Joran is in the casinos gambling..as well as the next night 3am..and nothing has been done to Paulus, or Joran or the casinos. After all it was Paulus taking his son there that put the whole sorry night into play. of course after Paulus went home to bed(and I’m liz taylor).
Don’t forget after Paulus took him underage,, Anita appeared on Dutch tv and said they took Joran to a counselor once for gambling..one time.. after his father was the one who took him that night lol…… She made this statement, Like Paulus would take him to the police station if he was doing anything wrong..Would he turn himself in too Anita? Pathetic..
“If we would have had any feeling that he was involved in something, Paul would have taken him to the police station and said: ‘Here, hold him, he did something. He deserves his punishment,’” Anita van der Sloot said
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/LegalCenter/Story?id=1584429&page=2
Where are those expensive clear minded people nowedays?
You know, I’m sitting here, asking myself why everybody shuts up!
I tell you one thing:
it’s the money to shut up their face I think so.
Believe me: I can see more and I can see Natalee… livin’ or dead.
Suddenly no one is there to speak with me… and thats asthonishing me: looking for money?
Well, I spoke to my dear wife Katja: that I should be so glad to see Natalee one day alive!
What ‘s you’re prove then eh?
I can se people if they know me… as it is in a special position!
It seems crazy… where are thos guys then to say that they know where I’m talking about?
Today I really saw Natalee Holloway: be glad, for the answer csan be near for all of us.
I wished she said something… but she only shows attention and much friendship.
Some good friends I have in my position.
I may only help if I never ask money for it… but love and friendship!
So is my GOD above.
Herman
DON…
COULD AND PROBABLY IS JULIA RENFRO
YA KNOW SASHA YOUR PROBABLY RIGHT…..
Oh, I hope someday we get our answers…parents you need to be so careful with your children and young adults need to be so careful…and Aruba you should stop advertising a safe island…travel agents you have also been alerted…stop sending our American’s there….your false advertising lead many people to your island…only to be raped and murdered…and then you do nothing about it….who wants to go on a vacation and end their life….
I agree with #73 completely. Aruba is becoming like many other islands, where you are really mostly safe in your resort. However the big difference is in PRICE. You can do a 7 day all inclusive including air fare in other islands for around $600.00 per person. In Aruba is 3x-4x more. And that’s why Aruba has lost a lot of tourist to Jamaica and ESPECIALLY DOMINICAN REPUBLIC…The only thing that was very special about Aruba years ago was the fact that it was safe and you could leave your resort without any worries. All that has changed and is getting worst. And people will really soon see that.
dude,
Herman…i think you need to stop obsessing with a girl that has been dead for almost 3 years.You need some help.Try and find a hobby as I think too much internet is unhealthy and is affecting your reality.
Does Babelfish have a Herman
to English converter?
I’m tryin’ to keep up,
but I feel lost.
LMAOOOOO CARPE
POOR HERMAN HE EVEN DOESNT KNOW …
HERMAN
LAY OFF THE BOTTLE
GIGGLES
MY FRIEND
ED
Dont pick on herman please unless in humor.. he is innocent poor guy tries
no pun intended
Herman, we are your friends, we just dont understand everything you write….when you say you see natalee, what do you mean….do you dream about her? and Carpe, was that a picture of Patti you posted when you all were mad at each other??? shes cute!!
carpe
alot of lil bottles in his u tube background…
he is harmless ya know poor guy he tries to communicate with us hard as he tries he gets behinder and its difficult to comprehend what he is trying to say to us…
katie, where can we see Hermans song about Nat
Absolutely it is.
So, I hope your timelines
include it.
…
http://tinyurl.com/3u26mh
http://tinyurl.com/4c9tm4
http://tinyurl.com/43mdjj
….
http://tinyurl.com/43y53w
JUSTICE 4 NAT
Another DEADLY car accident in downtown. 4 deaths in one week. Go to http://www.awe24.com to see more pics.
always1
go to you tube and look for herman hermanvandijk
page 13
here alone…. watch me go to bed and everyone comes in and posts.. lol
im here misskatie
Hey!
Not so fast…
.
Don:
I can see how you’d feel that way and I appreciate your attempts to communicate your feelings, but the fact is that your government pulled a bunch of monkey business with Natalee and the Holloway family to cover up something that Oduber describes as embarrassing.
I don’t know about you, but most adults have seen alot. We have children that are being abducted, sexually abused and murdered all the time. We have people paying good money to go on the internet to watch the human suffering that takes place during the carrying out of these crimes. We have it here, you have it there and the Dutch has it everywhere. To me, that’s as low as they come.
So we are not only interested in finding Natalee, but we are curious as to what happened to her and why you have people that are found missing their limbs, heads and other body parts buried in the sand… washing upon your shores and discovered in dark caves. It appears to us that there is more going on in Aruba than people like to admit.
So, please, if you know who we should hate, please tell us so we can get started right away. We know the history of your island. We know about the human trafficking. We know about the drug networks. We know about the trading of XXX rated videos between Aruban and Dutch. We also know that there is a sex ring running what is commonly known as sex tourism in Aruba, as well. But it is the practices of the Arawak that are especially telling.
So Please,
Do Tell!
.
Boycott!
Misskatie i typed that in and got o
goodnight monkeys
god bless
till tomorrow
i just check over in the forum, only four people there and i didnt know any of them…then i checked my lottery ticket I WON, no i was just seeing if anyone was there….how many ways can you can zero, o,nada,nope, none, nary, zilch, goose egg, I may have to burn all my lottery tickets to keep warm this winter, ha! ok, im talking to myself again….here i go, perhaps to sleep, perchance to dream…..
Sasha:
Sounds like what we do at the Amusement Parks…
Driving Bumper Cars!
.
Have you heard anything about the Arawak Nation?
Do you know anything about monthly celebrations,
religious ceremonies, that are determined by
the location of the stars… according to the
Arawak Calander?
Is there anyway of finding out what day this
Holiday was in June, 2005?
Could it have been the day Arubans were told
to take off work and help in the search?
What day was that?
.
Thanks in Advance!
Patti
Katie:
Please keep it up.
I’m going to get real busy, soon, and will only
post once a day… usually at this time.
You do a great job of keeping what’s going here,
going….
I DO appreciate it.
.
We are surrounded by trolls.
Patrick!?!?!?
YEP!
.
Later….
Nite.
Miss Katie on April 30th, 2008 8:43 am
lol carpe
I will make sure I wear a helmet when going to the public liberry and keep my money in my bra lmao
…
Hey, it worked for my grandmother everytime
we went Mexico! (Money roll in your tits)
A feller would have to be pretty hard up for a dollar, to go pokin’ around in her good times.
Ain’t nobody goin’ after that sh**, dawg.
Not if they want to get their hand back! -j4n
lol always 1
I will ask herman for the link ok
I know how you feel always 1
I checked the forum yesterday not much going on and here was like a ghost town.. when I go to bed everyone pops in lol….
yooo HERMAN
tell me again how to acess you on you tube I forgot its been a while since I checked there
Katie
I have never really followed what the Arawak stuff is. But sure I can look into it and get more info.
Also, correction on my posting last night. That was not a car accident. They found a 34 year old man dead in his car and they don’t know what happened yet. I am sure he was murdered. Strange.
Also, one of the gas station employees died at the age of 38 at work. Apparently he had a heartattack.
lol carpe they would have to cut my boob off to get to my money… I will throw my teeth at em!!!
PATTY
Thank you.. I sure will keep the fire lit here along with all those monkeys that bring more to the table than I do.
.but I can at least keep voicing my opinion and give my full support…
katie
I will continue to throw in my 2 cents worth!!!
Patti
Why do you go on and on about the Arowaks ?
I know that Oduber said that he is one, but
do you believe him ? He and Joran have common
blood, they are both liars ?
PATTI
perhaps sasha can just make genaeral conversation with an island native to just chit chat and ask about certain things..
she probably most than likely have to win someones confidence first.. since they are very hush hush on that island……
A poster on another thread said that Joran has been seen, still in the mental facility.
No idea about the truth of this.
Vicki and Brie: You are all welcome for whatever I can do for Natalee and justice. In case you haven’t been to Houston, the George R. Brown Center is downtown, surrounded by parking lots and a hotel. There is no reasonable place to eat. Plus, if you leave your parking lot, which might cost you $10-$15, you have to repay when you come back.! So, I brought lunch, because I like parties lol, and because it would have been an unreasonable fortune for our people to get lunch.
It is discouraging to wait and wait, except for reading posts like Carpe’s hilarous post above. The wheels of justice grind slowly, but they do grind. When God says that vengeance is His, He really means it. God’s judgement is coming down on Aruba. The evil there is being exposed and the evil ones are having more trouble than they know what to do with.
Aruba could have saved herself by bringing justice to those perps right away. Instead, they covered and covered up the crimes that they did to Natalee. God is bringing down that island in several different ways. More and more bad things will happen to Aruba until there is repentance. The good people who are left better catch Noah’s Ark and get off that island.
boycott aruba
molly in houston
Seriously after everything we have seen in the Natalee Holloway case, who would believe anything these cops say unless they see it with their own two eyes. Remember the story of the 2 security guards and all the other lies they’ve told to the media.
Hey, Monkeys….Is Herman really a troll? lol
I cannot understand what he is trying to say….if he is from the NL, that pretty much explains it…Does he post on here right after he just finishes smoking a BIG FAT ONE???
UhHhhhhhhhmmmm… Hello! Earth to Herman?? But why does he say Nat is alive? That creeps me out. I know in my heart and knew a long time ago that Natalee was dead and killed by Joran. I maintain to this day, she od’d b/c they slipped her drugs and she had already been drinking heavily. Then, when she began her convulsion- URINE panicked and got rid of her body. What makes my skin crawl is that IT DIDN’T HAVE TO BE THAT WAY!!!!!!! She could have just been unconscious and what gave that Son-Of-A-Bitch the RIGHT to decide to end her life and not seek Emergency Medical treatment for our Nat?
It’s obvious, he raped her- his semen was in her body and he knew if she were found he would be looking at rape charges. Not to mention, I think she was possibly beaten. Deepak Kalpoe raped her I am CERTAIN !
I still don’t know if she was later moved to the Mariott Basin, if she really WAS in that landfill or if she was dumped at Sea. My heart tells me, she is in the Ocean.
I just found out today that a good friend of mine is dying of Cancer-she has a 16 year old daughter. It has not been a good day- so when I think of Natalee Ann Holloway- her Mother Beth and Father Dave, my eyes tear up.
When I think of families who have had the horror of having to bury a child before they leave this planet….waterworks! It brings tears to my eyes every time.
All Beth and Dave Holloway want is justice and closure. Ok, they have accepted Natalee is dead and gone. They want her body.
Does anyone know if the Persistence can go back out to Sea again? Are they just waiting for more money as I am aware the funding was depleted.
Where is OPRAH WINFREY or someone with so much money they can help us?????? Why do people sit by and not do anything to help the Holloways further??? I came home from work today and saw my totebag hanging on the coat rack and I thought of Natalee, and I thought of a teenage girl who will one day be WITHOUT her Mother, and I have to say- today I cried again for every family who has ever lost someone who is dear to them.
Life is so so short…..We must cherish every second while we are still here.
***************** JUSTICE 4 NAT ******************
-j4N
-J4N
FYI if anyone has time to read……ONE SAFE AND HAPPY ISLAND my butt…..
(from The national Ledger) “Natalee Holloway is Not Aruba’s Only Crime Problem”
When Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway went missing in Aruba, America and the world began to take a close look at the island. The way they have handled the Natalee Holloway case has put the tiny islands’ police department and courts under a high powered microscope. But if you think the disappearance of Natalee Holloway is Aruba’s only problem when it comes to the issues of crime, think again.
Located only 20 miles off the coast of Venezuela, the island paradise of Aruba serves as a transshipment point for illicit drugs—primarily cocaine from South America. Smugglers generally move large loads of cocaine into Aruba on fishing vessels, private yachts, and go-fast boats. They also move drugs out of Aruba inside maritime containerized cargo and airfreight. Drug trafficking organizations continue to exploit Aruba’s air and sea links to the continental United States, South America, Europe, Puerto Rico, and other Caribbean nations. Most of the cocaine transiting Aruba is destined for European markets—primarily the Netherlands.
Aruba has large free-zone facilities (areas that allow goods to be held and then re-shipped elsewhere without paying an import or duty tax), which provide opportunities for bulk shipments of cocaine to transit the area without the scrutiny of local officials. Cocaine shipments in containerized cargo increasingly are transiting the area, specifically through the free zone. The free-zone facilities on Aruba are conducive to transshipments, not only of drugs, but also chemicals used in illicit manufacture of drugs. Some firms in the free zone are suspected of involvement in money laundering.
Couriers on commercial flights and cruise ships smuggle small (usually from 1- to 10-kilogram) amounts of cocaine and, to a lesser extent, heroin, into and out of Aruba, either concealed in their luggage or taped to their bodies. Commercial air couriers, sometimes swallow up to 1 kilogram of cocaine or heroin per trip. Drug couriers easily blend into the hundreds of thousands of tourists who visit Aruba each year.
The proximity of Aruba to South America, a high standard of living in Aruba, and an underdeveloped law enforcement infrastructure make the country an attractive meeting place for South American, European, and U.S. drug traffickers. Colombian traffickers play a major role in the shipments of cocaine and heroin that transit the island, having forged trafficking relationships with local Arubans. In the past, some airline employees and cruise-ship personnel have smuggled drugs through Aruba.
Aruba plays a significant role as an offshore center for drug-related money laundering. Money laundering organizations are well established on Aruba and enjoy protection from considerable bank secrecy laws and a stable currency. The organizations use Aruba’s offshore banking and incorporation systems, free-zone areas, and resort/casino complexes to transfer and to launder drug proceeds. Although money laundering was made illegal in 1999, the legislation requires a provable underlying crime with a penalty of at least 4 years. The Government of Aruba also has an asset-seizure law that allows for seizure at the time of arrest to prevent criminals from moving assets prior to conviction.
The Government of Aruba has recently issued several decrees on money laundering that include increased oversight of casinos and insurance companies. The Government of Aruba also is in the process of instituting reporting requirements for cross-border currency movements in excess of 20,000 Aruban florins (approximately US$11,200). Aruba has a Financial Intelligence Unit (FIU), known as the Meldpunt Ongebruikelijke Transacties (MOT), and is a member of the Egmont Group, an international group of FIUs.
Aruba is not a source country for any of the chemicals used in illicit drug production and has no specific legislation controlling essential chemicals. Difficulties abound when attempting to gauge the levels of chemical transshipment through Aruba, as most chemicals legally pass through Aruba’s Free Trade Zone—an area in which local law enforcement has limited oversight due to local regulations and manpower shortages. The reporting of chemicals transiting the island is strictly voluntary.
The Aruba Organized Crime Unit, a small investigative team of the Aruba Police, or Politie, has responsibility for investigating large-scale drug trafficking crimes. The Coast Guard of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba (CGNAA) is responsible for maritime drug interdictions around Aruba and the Netherlands Antilles. The Governments of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba have agreed to work more closely with the other coast guards operating in the region in order to present a united front against drug trafficking. The CGNAA has its own Criminal Intelligence Division (CID) which is separate from the Politie. However, due to Dutch law, unless the CGNAA can demonstrate that a given vessel is either coming from or going to territorial waters of the Netherlands Antilles or Aruba, any drug law enforcement, other than an administrative boarding, is considered illegal. Dutch investigators also support law enforcement investigations in the Netherlands Antilles.
Cocaine, heroin, and marijuana are readily available in Aruba. Wholesale amounts of cocaine sell for from US$3,800 to US$4,500 per kilogram among drug traffickers; heroin sells for about US$23,000 per kilogram; and marijuana sells for about US$2,000 per kilogram. These low prices suggest a heavy flow of drugs into Aruba. According to Aruban statistics, an estimated 14 percent of Arubans regularly use illicit drugs.
Aruba serves as one of two forward operating locations (FOLs) in the Caribbean for U.S. counterdrug aircraft. The FOL, located at Queen Beatrix Airport near Oranjestad, provides a landing and servicing area for counterdrug detection and monitoring missions in the region. The United States and Aruba do not have a formal maritime law enforcement agreement.
Sources: Central Intelligence Agency, Drug Enforcement Administration, National Security Institute
Jim Kouri, CPP is currently fifth vice-president of the National Association of Chiefs of Police.
A wish that Natalee could come home.
Aruba too your own corrupt end.
Misskatie, pls be careful with the person I asked you about-bad vibes!!!!!
22: Miss Katie: We have Senor Frogs in Houston!!
boycott aruba
molly in houston
I said this before — Joran Veneral Disease will get one. Now that he’s in Thailand, it’ll be a sure thing. What a scourge.
boycott aruba
molly in houston
molly
noah’s ark!!
I agree good point…. that island is like sodom and gomorrah!!!
THE GOOD PEOPLE BETTER GET OUT WHILE THE GETTINGS GOOD!!!
a new girl
no!!!
herman is not a troll he is just a naive person trying to have part in the comments.. if you go to you tube you can find him…. he is totaly harmless…
he rambles on … I need he hits the gin a lil strongly at times evidenced by all his bottles of beer sitting on the table next to him and his guitar.. he is nice and truly harmless just wants to be accepted and heard ,,, as hard as it is to understand him at times…
oops i think he hits
the gin .. figure of speech…
herman
send us your page how to find you on you tube
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katie
anewgirl
YOU SAID
cannot understand what he is trying to say….if he is from the NL, that pretty much explains it…Does he post on here right after he just finishes smoking a BIG FAT ONE???
I say possible lol
Nice Find… Kaye!
So it’s official (CIA, DEA, etc) that Aruba is dealing in illegal activities, day after day; just as we suspected. Funny how the article says that the U.S. and Aruba don’t have a formal maritime law enforcement agreement. That would mean that the U.S. doesn’t have the authority to search the free-zone and if the government of Aruba isn’t doing it now, they are probably making money off of it. When I say government, I am, specifically, refering to the Elite. But, surely, anyone could afford to invest in a drug dealing operation at those prices!
I’m glad the word is getting out and they’re giving alot of credit to us, by keeping our fellow citizens informed.
Americans,
Stay OUT of Aruba!!!
.
Boycott!
the trolls that come here are paid to come spread their support to their hitler..
eating…croe… is a passtime in aruba
roasting dompig..ies… is a delicacy…
seasoned with sloot sweat… for added moisture….
oduber….
is the name of the local watering hole
where they serve
pig
croe
and
swett balls 4 dessert
molly
I have heard of senor frogs
is the old carlos and charlies owned by senor frog
did they just change the name???
SASHA
ya need to wear a helmet in aruba…
beware of flying bullets and…………….
croe poop……….
just be careful… wouldnt want anything to happen to you … 911 in the united stated would get there faster than 911 in aruba!!!
ALWAYS1
THE ONE WITH THE
H
IN ITS NAME?
GOOD JOB KAYE
NICE ARTICAL
VERY INFORMATIVE
And that reminds me…
Remember the story of Miss Bradley? She was reported to be held as a prostitute near the shipping docks. It was reported months later when the American man that she had given her real name and asked for help, finally, put it together that she was being held against her will… at which point some men came and got her. He, reportedly, said that he wondered why no one in the shipping yard was willing to help her and thought that it was strange… in fact, that’s why he didn’t believe her at first because there were plenty of people around that COULD have helped her.
It makes me wonder if they use the “free zone” to do their human trafficking, from the Netherlands and back… along with the drugs.
What do you think, Richard?
Yes MissKatie, we could be anyone we want to be on this side of the screen…
Sasha:
I agree with Miss Katie.
You need to be careful.
I assumed you have some
researching materials on hand.
Don’t go around asking people…
.
Stay Safe!!!
.
Patti
Miss Katie:
I found Herman’s page and it’s a disgrace to Natalee. He writes songs about her…
Wierd Shit…
He’d do ANYTHING to get a laugh…
Ignore him…
#124, so true about the 911 comment. Aruba’s 911 is a JOKE. But I am very careful here. I try not to even be on the roads on weekends because I just dont trust all the people all messed up on drugs and alcohol. I am staying safe
WHERE IS EVERYONE…
#34 Brie
We’re all still here, supporting the Front Pagers. I have heard that One Night in Bangkok Makes a Hard Man Humble! We don’t want Urine to disappear, though. We want to see him in front of a judge being sentenced for rape and murder.
123: misskatie, Someone said that CC was now called Senor Frogs. I don’t know the business side of it. Senor Frogs has always been called that in Houston.
boycott aruba
mollly in houston
Those trolls they love to lie almost as much
as those 2 psychos, Joran and Paulus Vandersloot!
WEBCAMS
nothing.
there hasn’t been anything
on ANY of the webcams
for ages & ages!!!
(any of them)
http://www.arubatourism.com/webcams.html
People are going bankrupt left and right, & losing jobs.
Don’t believe the AHATA hype!
They are full of it! Just like Joran the rapist
and murderer, and his sex predator, murderer of a father.
Burn Aruba the ground,
the boycott is working just fine.
The ocean is very big, isn’t it?
-Justice 4 Natalee
patti
I thought he just wasnt wound to tight.and was wanting recognition on you tube .. from us…. I kinda wondered about the songs that he sang … mostly mumbling did you make anything of them?
I just thought he was naive and drank alot.. evidenced by all those bottles around the table.. but maybe its more than drinks … thanks for the insight…I am now remembering other posters comments..
I think always1 was referring to him.
when she told me to be careful of a certain person…
thanks I appreciate it and will take heed
patti
I remember richard talking about miss bradley … she was abducted on the ship before her parents knew she was gone…
sad
no doubt human trafficking…
thanks alway1
I am taking heed to your warning
sweet of you to care
sasha
in all seriousness there probably is no functioning 911 in aruba
remember its been said that the police turn their head the other way when it comes to complaints by americans….
they hate americans.. but love the money we bring to their island..
which miss patti??
WHY DO THEY HATE AMERICANS
many countries hate us.. because we are a prosperous country ..
we have freedom..
????????????????????????????????????????????
WELL MOLLY
It seems that carlos and charlies had to change their name… because of all the bad publicity on drugs..
once a snake always a snake!!
THERE IS NO CHANGE OTHER THAN THE NAME
BUSINESS AS USUAL THERE
TALK ABOUT BAD VIBES
EVERYTIME I SEE A PICTURE OF THE KALPOE BROTHERS… I GET A TERRIBLE CHILL
THOSE TWO ARE EVIL………..
Jossy has been very silent for quite a while. Nary a peep, who got to him? Oduber? Drug connections? I am still facinated at that piece “The Rothschilds of the Mafia on Aruba”, written by Tom Blickman. A bit dated, but mention above of the Free Trade Zone, where drugs are reported to be moved, reminded me of the following:
“The Interbank is owned by the Mansur Family. If anybody owns 60 per cent of the island, it is this powerful family. The Mansurs made their fortune as cigarette manufacturers and in the import-export business. With a licence of Philip Morris, they are the major suppliers of Marlboros in the Caribbean basin. The Mansurs sponsor the best baseball team – Aruba’s national sport – the Marlboro Red Tigers as well as the AVP party of Prime Minister Henny Eman. They own the biggest hotel and time-sharing complex, La Cabana, with its inevitable casino. And they have a couple of import-export businesses in the Free Trade Zone.
Jossy Mansur is the owner and chief editor of the biggest newspaper on the island, “Diario”. “When I read an article in Diario, I know what will be the next action of the government,”says Hendrik Croes, adding that the Mansurs create a climate of fear and intimidation on Aruba. Their newspapers force others off the market. Furthermore, “their annual income is bigger than the yearly budget of the government. And you may guess how they make that kind of money”.”Jossy Mansur is not impressed claiming that accusing people of drug trafficking and money laundering “has become a political tool to discredit them”.” Jossy Mansur acts as the family’s mouthpiece, Ruben and the elder Alex are the patriarchs, and Elias ‘Don’ Mansur is the family’s whizz-kid. Elias graduated at Notre Dame University, and was Minister of Economic Affairs in Eman’s first cabinet. As representative for the Free Trade Zone entrepreneurs in a mixed Dutch-Aruban commission he has to recommend measures to tighten regulations in the FTZ to prevent money laundering and contraband, together with Dutch government officials.
We still don’t know for certain, do we, that Joran van der Scum is in Thailand? I search daily on the mainstream media for news about the scum … and sometimes I check the Thai papers … nothing yet.
I believe that the article above by Jim Kouri about the Aruban drug trade is several years old.
Of course, it’s as true today as it was then.
Patti … do you really have amusement parks in your area that have bumper cars? I remember those when I was a kid … back when Benjamin Harrison was president. Lots of fun then; they were called the Dodgems. Frankly, it’s reassuring that such “innocent” things persist.
As for Amy Bradley … the petty officer who went to the off-limits bar (it was in an abandoned hotel that later burned down, or was burned down) passed an FBI polygraph.
We know for certain that drug couriers go from Aruba to the Netherlands and elsewhere in Europe.
The Dutch say that they are getting a handle on this problem; whether that’s so, who knows?
We also know that there have been several cases in the Caribbean where the Dutch military personnel (marines and navy) sent to combat the drug trade have actually tried to bring some cocaine back on the very military vessels sent to disrupt the drug trade.
Anyone care to speculate on how much gets through Aruban police?
Also, some yachts have been caught bringing drugs from the Caribbean to the Canary Islands, apparently a convenient trans-shipment center.
What else can be transported on yachts?
There remains strong reason to think that Amy Bradley is still alive, given recent sightings.
Remember … it’s been demonstrated time and time again: arms trafficking, drug trafficking, human trafficking and money laundering are all intertwined … not in every case, of course, but the same criminal cartels are involved in all of them.
misskatie, have you gone nite nite? We are under a tornado watch so I know I wont sleep…
Patti, go into yahoo, type in religion of arawaks, you might find what youre looking for.
Patti, it says the arawaks painted their bodies red white and black and smoked cohaba until they passed out, maybe, thats the clue, maybe they are still growing that….
patti, it says cohaba ia a tabacco product that is made into a hallucinogenic snuff….when they smoke it they pass out…..look up hallucinogenic snuff…..you probably know all this already but
Sasha, you stay off the roads during weekends ??? That’s pathetic. It’s says more about you than about Aruba. Stay inside, lock the doors and get plenty of bottled water and canned food. Aruba is going down !! (not)
Carpe, Aruba is famous for it’s beautiful, QUIET, beaches. Even in high season some beaches look as if there is no-one there. You are getting excited too early.
Miss Katie “Sasha should make conversation with island natives” My god. You were born a few centuries too late. Maybe she can try to win the hearts and minds of the locals with some mirrors and beads.
________________
SM: That is not really true. That used to be what people looked for before trips were given away on The Price is Right. Aruba is hardly considered a destination to not be bothered. Their appeal is to the masses.
Granted the beaches never look like Daytona, but when one goes there the beaches are hardly vacant, at least not in their hay day. Trust me, I have been there when there was not a beach chair or cabana to be found.
Their tourism is no where near what it used to be.
R
Patti, also look at singing areitos, it gives the meaning of some of the arawaks language
sm, is Klassend well? havent seen her around….
and will continue to decline…Rotten ppl doing rotten things. So sad that everyone there stuck their stupid heads in the sand, to sad that they didnt care about this “one girl”. Now we are supposed to feel sorry for them…ha Whle I dont hate anyone, Its sickening to know that thereare human beings here on earth that have no empathy for this family.
A NEW GIRL,Please, know that your friend is in my prayers. Try and stay strong…Im so sorry for your pain…I feel so sad for Beth and Dave….
just went over to the forum, Klassend was sick yesterday….hope you are better today Klassend, want me to bring you some 7 up????
misskatie, are u around?
patti, also see taino petwo voodoo
always 1
yes I am here
always1
after you deliver that 7-up to klaaasend ..
stop pizza hut and bring me a large pepperoni pizza with extra cheese
waiting patiently !!!!!
STOP BY PIZZA HUT I MEANT
Don on May 2nd, 2008 1:43 am
Sasha, you should stay off the roads during weekends !!!Aruba is pathetic. It’s says more about us sickos in Aruba. you should Stay inside, lock the doors !!! aruba has no 911 and get plenty of bottled water and canned food. Aruba is going down !! (yes)
ALWAYS1
I heard there was a bad tornado in what state I dont remember.. but it was pretty bad.. is that where you are??
glad your safe!!!!
where I live we get no tornadoes we get earthquakes…!!!!!
DUNNO WHICH IS WORST!!!
THEY BOTH ARE DISASTEROUS AND CLAIM LIVES…
ALWAYS1
I am here checking the posts every chance I get…
as you can tell by the time.. I post
misskatie, your pizza will arrive hot and on time in 30 minutes, please be sure to tip the driver…and yes, thankyou, the tornado was 20 minutes from here.
GLAD THE TORNADO MISSED YOU ALWAY1
THANKS FOR THE PIZZA DELIVERY
HE WAS ON TIME TIPPED HIM 20
GIGGLES
ALWAYS1
A FEW POSTS UP YOU ASKED ME IF YOU COULD SEE HERMANS POSTS ABOUT NATALEE
I HAVE SEEN THEM BUT IT MAKES NO SENSE ITS ALL MUMBLE JUMBLE …PATTI DID YOU HEAR ANYTHING DIFFERENT???
thanks, misskatie! the posts sure have been strange these last two days….huh? I hope Patti read all the notes I left her…..Katie, do you regret the fact we dont post in the Forum,,,I feel like we miss a lot but I dont know most of them and its hard to jump in..but right now they are talking to (i think) to a girl who dated Joran and I would love to see all of it from the beginning….you know…
nite everyone,,,,,,Klassend, you are in our prayers…get lots of rest…
always1
I know how you feel about feeling confoosed and lost in the forums…
everyone knows eachother and I just cant keep up with them there..I do kinda regret not posting there always1… everyone seems to be so far ahead there…
oh yes I read about melody she dated joran and he cheated on her with so many girls.. she finaly got tired of it and moved on.. good for her,,,,
always1
it almost seems that they speak a different language in the forum.. many have been here since day 1 and have been up to date with information.. I myself just started here in january.. and have been here since…
I feel so lost there that I seldom go there … I just wished there was more blogging here.. maybe if we get more info on the case .. when I am at work I try to keep coming here to check things out…
wouldnt you know on my two days off I have more time here and thats when little is posted…
always1
how long have you been coming here???
OK WELL OFF TO BED I GO… ITS 1:00 a.m here…
GOODNITE
sometimes its monkey mania here !!
MissKatie, i think we have been here about the same length of time..I wish Patti would read my messages and get back to me…
always1
I think patti is really busy at times… busy hectic schedule … I am only assuming…I think she will .. shes pretty cool that way… I wonder?
you do alot of research!!
I have little time with a hectic work schedule.. days off are spent preparing for the work week lol…………. geez where is everyone..???
Thanks, Always 1!
No, I hadn’t done all that research. I know that they put something in their smoke that causes a hypnotic state of mind and the witch doctors use it alot to give them the power to heal.
That’s all I know about it, so I appreciate the tips. I’ll get back at you.
Patti
@ don i am 100% behind you, those poor americans
dont know a shit what they are talking about.
@ sasha for your information arubians speaks 4
different languages****used your time in something
more constructive. look in your own backyard first
your country have lots of problem to solve maybe
you cant HELP? your country is no1 in criminality
no1 in drug users,no1 in killings,no1 in rapping,
no1 in police abuse. boycot aruba? ha ha ha that shit doesnt work arubais stil the no1 tourist destination in the caribean…american idiots.. aruba ariba…
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could clw be jm?
crossbow, do you know my email address?
crossbow, we understand each other …..waiting for the other shoe to drop.
7, did you mean that message for patti…are you in the IC? I think the other shoe just dropped!
always 1:
Have no clue about the other shoe.
Was 175 that caught your eye?
Is that what you understand?
No I do not have your email address.
crossbow, yes, and I agree with you.
always 1:
If you want to forward your email to vicki with intructions. I should get it.
Klassend, will forward my email add to Crossbow, please
_____________________
SM: Done (klaasend)
182 NOT AS YET
crossbow, you sleeping?