RSSKimberly Guilfoyle Interviews Art Wood On The Line Up … Paulus Van der Sloot’s Computer???
THE LINE UP KIM GUILFOYLE INTERVIEWS ART WOOD IN THE DISAPPEARANCE OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY IN ARUBA
Do the answers lie with Paulus Van der Sloot’s computer?
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“In the first week of June Michael Dompig, who is chief Dompig’s young son, told Dave Holloway that Paulus van der Sloot borrowed a friends boat.”
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… They found that on the day that Natalee disappeared that Paulus visited some websites looking at the effects of alcohol and drugs on a body. That’s a bomb shell. (Art Wood)
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“Daury was always daddy to me.” (Robin Sax)
Posted February 18, 2008 by Scared Monkeys Aruba, Internet, Joran Van der Sloot, Missing Persons, Murder, Natalee Holloway, Paul Van der Sloot, You Tube - VIDEO | 81 comments |
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No question about it! Papapaulusvanderditch is UP TO HIS NECK in this mud as well!
Good Job SM, keep all the news out front here.
The world is watching.
Come on Dompig, fess up what you know. Look what you are doing to your son, he wanted to tell the truth. Are you going to let him carry this for his life?
CRIMINALS, ONE AND ALL — AND THEY ARE FLABBERGASTED THAT NO ONE FEELS SAFE IN, OR WANTS TO GO TO, ASCREWBA.
Where is the computer now and who has access to it?
WORTH A REPOST — FROM DUTCHNEWS.NL:
“Natalee affair hits Aruban economy
Wednesday 06 February 2008
The disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway and the ensuing police investigation has cost the former Dutch colony of Aruba tens of millions of dollars in lost income from American tourists.
The comment was made by the island’s prime minister Nelson Oduber on the Dutch tv current affairs show Nova on Tuesday evening. Aruba’s economy depends for 70% on US tourists, he said.”
NOW KEEP TELLING US HOW OUR STAYING OUT OF ‘ONE CORRUPT ISLAND’ DOESN’T AFFECT YOU IN THE LEAST.
PUH-LEEZE.
I THINK THAT’S HOW JORAN VAN DER SLIME WAS ABLE TO ‘SLEEP LIKE A BABY’ AFTER NATALEE’S MURDER — DADDY-DEAREST WAS CLEANING UP THE CRIME SCENE.
What needs to be done is to put the heat on Paulus and all the other ALE high ups that were involved in this cover up. We need another Patrick to go in to befriend one of them for info that will expose what really happen on their part. It is so obvious that is why they are trying to protect such a lowlife as Joran.
“There are no coincidences in a murder investigation.”
-Mark Fuhrman
First I’ve heard about what Michael said, how did Dave manage to talk to Michael…
The police knew about the computer and the sites that were visited but they never did anything about it….
Well, it’s all there and always has been they just chose to cover-up it all up, which we all know. Just look at all the deceiving and all the pain and cruelty the Aruban authorities have done to Natalee’s family. Somewhere along the line there’s was probably someone that wanted to tell but they knew what would happened to them if they did…
What’d they do stay up at night, planning and sceaming the next moves…look at all the false hopes given to Beth, Dave and Jug many, many, many times…
The repeated questions about seizures…they were hoping for a yes answer…wonder what direction that would of taken off in….but given the no answer told them Natalee was drugged…
Those that did this are the lowest form of scum on the face of the earth….
And also, to think that Dennis Jacobs, NARCOTICS INVESTIGATOR tells you to watch your drink because they put things in it…it’s saying I know what happens but I don’t do anything about it…payoff!
“Aruba’s economy depends for 70% on US tourists…”
Yes, Aruba wants our money but will not provide justice for us when SOMETHING BAD HAPPENS.
NO JUSTICE/NO TOURISTS
Stop whining about the boycott, Aruba. You know how to stop it.
J-U-S-T-I-C-E
It is as plain as the hugh forehead on pvds’ face, that he was not a father to jurin but a friend to jurin. pvds is the “friend” that disposed of Natalee, and covered the crimes agains Natalee that he and jurin did to her.
F aruba and the van der sluts.
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
It is transparent that Aruba will do nothing.
All of this information and they are going to do a big fat nothing.
Everyone faces the consequences of their actions and Aruba and those who choose to be part of the cover up should be no different.
Attach a link to SM to all you emails. I have and have put:
Travel Advisory –Please read before you travel to Aruba. An island that covered up the murder of an American
2. Miss-Underestimated. You may recall that Michael did an interview with Fox News where he talked about GVC. About the same time, Jossy said that he had gotten word that Michael Dompig was going to be arrested. Then Gerald Dompig goes on record saying Michael was lying, and lo and behold, Michael doesn’t get arrested. Remember Dave saying that he and Dompig were working well together until Dompig wanted to talk to Keon Gottenbos and Tim Miller wanted to bring in FBI equipment to search the ocean. Suddenly Gerald Dompig was uncooperative. To me, the message here is clear.
Michael Dompig told me in an email how that made him feel. That he was very mad toward his father for making him look like a little child to the world by saying he was lying. Michael also warned me about GVC with girls.
MissU Great idea. I will do the same.
NO JUSTICE – NO TOURISTS!
Where is Dompig Sr. now? Anyone know?
Patrick:
He threw her in the sea?
How could u be so sure she was dead???
Joran:
I wasn’t sure. (shoulder shrugs)
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That chat sequence of Patrick
& MC 900 FOOT Dickhead
will ring around in my head forever until
the end of time. I just
cannot believe what a GOSH AWFUL
monster Paulus and Anita raised.
http://tinyurl.com/27t4uj
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Reading this SM blog today is mind blowing… all of the leads were covered up.
FBI where are you? Are you working on this case?
Hey URINE…you better stay in hiding for a long, long time. You’re like a big fat turkey on thanksgiving day.(gobble gobble) lol!!!
DAURY = DADDY.
Wonder what Dr. Hodges would say.
Thank you SM for posting this revealing interview.
Justice for Natalee and her family!
I am new here but have been following this case and reading from the beginning. I have thought from day 1 that Joran was guilty and that he will never go down for it. The reason being I lived on another popular carribbean island that relies on US dollars, and while I was there this happened to two tourists, amongst others crimes(rapes and attacks), as well as a shooting(murder of an Australian) and lo and behold nothing happened to the offenders. they knew who it was(the murder) and he was related to a higher-up. He also operated the sea-do rental on the main beach.(doesn’that make you feel safe?) There were heightened warnings but nothing came of any of the cases. I knew right then that I better take care of myself becasue no one else was going to! I think most tourists have a fantasy like illusion in their mind of these islands and otherplaces. Anywhere that is considered 3rd world is at high risk of being corrupt. They are not concerned about you as a person, they are concerned for their tourist dollars, becasue they are desperate. What do you think we normally don’t hear of any of these crimes ?? I do say boycott aruba until they do something about this given it’s BLATANT nature, but I just say that when you travel to other countries, don’t let down your guard, don’t think in fantasy land, don’t drink too much when you have to get yourself back to your room. Don’t rely on others to take care of you. Don’t trust locals no matter what becasue they’re not thinking like you.
Anyone have the transcript of this interview? I can’t watch youtube from where I’m at.
And, again, never forget the disappearance of Amy Bradley … there’s strong reason to think that she is still alive, in a situation of duress.
Here’s a question: we know that the computer search was for the effects of drugs and alcohol. And we know that Joran said, in the taped interviews, that Natalee suddenly collapsed with a seizure.
But assuming that Paulus was Daury, and was called to the scene to ‘tidy up,’ what would it matter to him HOW Natalee died? Why would he, after the ‘disposal’ was done, want to research into the possible causes?
Sure, perhaps to get some ‘talking points’ to give the police … anything to get the heat off Joran.
I’m wondering, though, if the reason for the search was to come up with a plausible excuse for Natalee’s death.
In other words … suppose that her death was the result of the assault by the three (J2K), or more?
Or because of some accidental or deliberate brutality … we’ve all read that Joran had temper problems (not to mention others), and God knows what other things could be involved.
So what I’m saying: could the whole story about the “sudden seizure” be a blind lead to cover up the way in which she really died? Certainly Deepak seemed to know something: “If they ever find the girl, they’ll find that chit all over her.”
I don’t think we can doubt that Natalee is dead; but I think we can suspend our belief in that the cause of death was this ‘sudden seizure.’ It makes sense for the vdScum family to prepare this as a story, but that doesn’t make it true.
Just wondering.
Happy (#22) … Your general observation is correct … never let down your guard … but the issue here is the cover-up. We demand justice for Natalee, and will not let this slide.
And, of course, a drugged girl is in no position to do anything.
LilPuma, hope you are staying warm.
What a burden that Mr. Dompig has subjected Michael to, I mean, Michael wanted to tell what he knew and for some reason Gerald stopped it.
Can you imagine the burden put on Michael, forever.
Richard-yes yes..absolutely. A lot of tourists find themselves in that predicament, when it is too late. It is certainly not an invitation to be raped or murdered, as Joran would like to believe.
I am infuriated that even with all of this new evidence in world news they are still turning their heads. I will not be going to Aruba anytime soon, or the Netherlands.
#24 Richard: simply answer actually. You don’t think Joran confessed the full details to daddy dearest do you? You can bet that Joran’s story to Paulus was much like the story he told Patrick. “I was with her on the beach, we were having sex, she suddenly had a seizure. She’d been drinking and doing drugs.”
But one does have to wonder IF that’s all Joran told Paulus, why did Paulus think of disposing of Natalee’s body? The answer tells me Paulus knows most of the full story just by having lived with Joran and knowing what happens on one crappy little island.
Paulus didn’t come alone to the beach, Freddy, Koen and Sander came too. A reason why Sander lost his cell phone that night.. Sander had the keys to the boat because he taken it out earlier that day. I doubt if Joran walked home, they probably came in two cars… we know Freddy would never tell, same as Koen and Sander…I don’t believe one person dumped Natalee in the sea and Paulus would be smart enough to know she could wash up to shore….so the crab cage was stolen, weighted it down with rocks or maybe used the anchor from the boat.
There’s of course more information, not yet known, especially with the Kalpoes. But we know a lot of things transpired that night and it wasn’t just a coincidence. It all relates to Natalee…
Nor will I … ever. Nor, I hope, will any of us.
Let’s do what we can to encourage others to follow our lead. Take part in the protests against Aruba Tourism Authority. Stand up for Natalee! Demand simple justice.
Meanwhile, one thing that has always galled me is that Aruba and the Netherlands are (to the best of my knowledge) paying not one cent towards the costs of the Persistence. From day one, it’s been American funds, volunteer labor, and generosity that have done THEIR job.
So I thought since Aruba is telling us how outraged it is about Joran’s comments, why not give the Arubans the chance to chip in?
So I wrote to Jossy Mansur today, as follows:
You have never heard of me, but I have been following the Natalee Holloway case from the beginning. I launched the protest demonstrations against Aruba Tourism Authority last year by organizing an event in Boston, and they are continuing and gathering steam.
The world has been told that Aruba is outraged at Joran van der Sloot following his videotaped comments about Natalee. However, I do not know of any actions there to support the water search.
I think it would be very appropriate for Arubans to demonstrate their concern by raising funds to help finance the continuing search. Actually, I believe that Aruba and the Netherlands should be paying for it all, given that the crime happened on Aruba.
At present, American money and volunteer labor are shouldering the burden. If Aruba is truly concerned about finding answers in the case, perhaps someone there should take the lead in seeking ways to help.
Your newspaper seems to me the logical candidate, since you have long been an advocate for seeking justice. I therefore ask you to consider this proposal.
I have no relationship with Texas Equusearch, and this suggestion is my own idea.
I appreciate your attention to this, and will be glad to answer any questions.
if michael dompig does know something why doesnt he come forward now and spill the beans?
i think i pray that the kalpoe idiots will turn on urine , who will eventually start mouthing off again.
Richard,
I maintain that the assault of Natalee took place at the Van Der Sloot compound. That the Kalpoe’s were sent home to clean up their car of any evidence she was with them, and that Paulus and Joran were left alone at the Sloot compound to deal with a gravely ill, gravely injured, or dead Natalee (I still maintain she was alive at the Sloot compound and transfered to Lorenzo’s).
Why would Vocking and Wit show up at the compound and restrict the “full search warrant” to one that only searched Joran’s apartment (hint: because Joran never brought her into her apartment)?
Why would Aruba “layer the onion” to make sure that Paulus was untouchable without years of legal unravelings of the “layers”?
Why would Aruban investigators never go back to the Sloot compound to do an investigation (the excuse was they couldn’t because Paulus was no longer a suspect and they couldn’t just barge onto his property and search what was restricted – very convenient!)?
Why did the KLPD suddenly get access to search the Sloot compound for evidence and just “showed up” and set up camp…when Paulus had legally been no longer declared a suspect. The KLPD search was an illegal search based on Dutch Law/Aruban style. No one has explained how they could suddenly make Paulus a “suspect” again and search his home without unravelling the “layers”. The answer: the KLPD search was all for show…just like the “perp walk” of the two black guys from their homes in front of International media.
Joran’s first story was the Holiday Inn story, his second story was they went to his house (this, is the true story), the third story was he left her on the beach sleeping because she didn’t want to go back to her hotel, the fourth story is she went into convulsions and Daury took her in a boat and dumped her (this story has some truth mingled in over many days…not that night).
Why doesn’t anyone in the media question Paulus calling for the bus to pick up Joran at 6:45am near Lorenzo’s (slept like a baby…my ass)? Why don’t they question the scratches that were on Joran’s face that morning? Why don’t they question Joran “sleeping like a baby” at the nurses office at school that day?
I maintain, she died or was gravely injured at the Sloot compound. She spent part of the evening on the blood soaked mattress that was found and discarded by Aruban authorities. She was transported by Paulus to Lorenzo.
Until someone in the media provides an explanation for the Chicago videos, I will maintain that she was recovered there on June 10, 2005 and then disposed of again by authorities in order to cover for those who were already waist deep in the cover-up quicksand (Janssen, Van Der Stratten, Jacobs, etc.)
MD
Paulus’s plan hasn’t worked out the way he obviously wanted it too…thanks to Natalee’s family and all the good people that are helping…
If Paulus is found guilty, which he is, Anita will probably get a divorce and leave Aruba with her 2 sons….where will she get a job and who would want her in their school system…things are looking gloom for the Sloot’s all the way around. And as Joran’s lawyer said, Joran isn’t looking good….could you look any worse..
Katablog (#28) and Brie (#29) … Lots and lots of questions remained to be answered, in my view.
For starters, I’m not convinced that whatever happened, happened on the beach.
But I suspect that the computer search was a frantic way to try to come up with some tale that they thought the ALE might believe. Who knows?
And, of course, attributing the death to alcohol and/or drugs would conveniently shift the ‘responsibility’ to Natalee herself … and the ALE would probably think it plausible.
Michael Dompig be a man…stand up and tell the truth..to hell with your old man..he’s chosen his path…. choose your own the right one…BE A DECENT MAN MICHAEL.
MD … That’s a point I meant to raise too. Joran went home and slept “like a baby” … only we know that he didn’t sleep at home, but at the school. The headmaster told Beth as much.
There is no beach in this story, it’s made up by Paulus/Joran. No evidence Natalee was on that beach, none. Only the word of Joran van der sloot.
The vds home is the crime scene. The first place the KLPD searched when they took over the case.
They know.
richard i agree with you, i believe natalee was killed at joran house probably gang raped by all 3 of these monsters, joran being the leader, i think satish will be the one to crack and i dont think the father is innocent .
Deetch,
I agree that the KLPD and everyone else knows that it went down at 19 Montajna…the Sloot compound.
I still have problems, however with the KPLD’s complicity in this matter.
How did the KLPD get access to search Paulus Van Der Sloot’s home when the initial search warrant disallowed it AND black robed Aruban/Curaco friends of PVDS had created the layers that made him untouchable? How could the KLPD bypass all of that without a major legal battle (which is why PVDS was “layered” with judicial orders)? I believe it was all show, including PVDS stopping by within eyeshot of the media and acting upset…to PVDS and JVDS laughing on the phone that evening about nothing being found (how would they know this?). The KLPD was complicit in the cover-up. It was all for show…just like the two black guys.
I believe that search was more…OK we searched their home…now will you people shut up and go away…rather than a legitimate crime scene investigation. They were in and out of there in a day. You cannot do detailed blood/DNA analysis of a crime scene two years after the fact and spend only a day at the site.
Couple this with the KLPD workers reading their copies of Joran’s book and taunting PVDS in front of the media and it makes me even more sick…like they really wanted to put on a show that there was adversity between the parties.
Paulus did it.
On the blood soaked Mattress.
at #19 Montajna
Do you think the KLPD ever got to see the styrofoam with tooth marks…or tried to match it up with styrofoam on the sloot property?
Was this the KLPD that was sent blood samples only to reply back that it was chocolate and cleaning fluids?
What about the bag of Lysol cleaner and other cleaner discarded with the blood soaked mattress, the styrofoam, and GVCs security shirt? What kind of DNA testing, fingerprinting (you know the cleaning materials had fingerprints all over them unless the predators did all their shopping with rubber gloves), and other analysis was done on these items by the KLPD?
Remember we would get postings from AHATA shills that would state the KLPD was the “real deal”. It was all an act….all an act.
MD
MD
There was a statement made by one the Kalpoe Bros, stating the day after, Paulus and the boys met in Joran’s apartment and had to sit on the floor because of something with the mattress? Does anyone else recall?
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I believe you are correct there. I don’t think it was an official statement. I believe it was a statement made by one of the black guys Aruba tried to frame on this case who was in jail with Deepak…essentially, Deepak told him that they had sat around on the floor at the VDS compound discussing their stories for when the authorities would show up.
MD
MD,
I know what you mean, but the KLPD was “asked” only years later to get involved. The mere fact that after reviewing the case file, they picked the vds house to search, tells me, they aren’t fooled by lies and have experience. I don’t think they would go there for a show. That doesn’t mean they were able to find forensics after so much time.
There must be some crucial evidence however as they would have pieced together a story to really close this case and claim they’ve solved it.
They can’t make a lie work.
The evidence in the beginning is gone, we just have to live with that fact. Even someone coming forward saying they destroyed evidence does not make the evidence admissible.
I think they are trying to prove where Natalee is and who put her there first. Basically the KLPD was retracing her movement.
They searched the vds home, and an area near the lighthouse, that’s it. As of yet, they haven’t found a boat. If they do, it’s over.
Nurturer.. Dr Hodges has a website with a lot of insight about the case.
It maybe ” forensic footprints ” or something like that . You will need to google to find the exact website. It was very interesting.
Happy go Lucky..
I agree with your warning ..but I might add that
groups should agree to not let anyone go off alone with a stranger even if they want to because of the use of Date rape drugs. Also you may have said this but watching your drink being made and served.
I in no way think this was Natalies fault or her friends its just with Evil people like Joran
around warning others is natural (just like Beth is doing)
22. Happy_go_lucky. Good advice. Until this case, I didn’t think of the Caribbean islands as 3rd world countries. I figured they’re like France or England or the U.S. or Netherlands. I knew they were used for drugs and money laundering but that happens in my city too, so……..So, I’ve learned a lot about Aruba and other countries that have been in the news since Natalee’s disappearance. Now I know and hopefully travelers are getting the message even if they’re not following the case. Meanwhile, I thank goodness that my trips in my younger days didn’t require police assistance.
Maybe Paulus and Joran sat on the bed and no room for 2 more…but you would think Joran would have a chair or two with all the company he keeps in his bedroom…
Why would they just throw the mattress away where it could be found and tested for blood samples, I guess because it would included in the cover-up.
I think the beach story was to cover for where they initially hid the body and later in the event Natalee or her clothing washed ashore. I have to wonder if other tourists have met Joran and woke up alone on the beach the next morning remembering nothing. (If so, I hope they’ve contacted authorities.) Joran’s statement “we’ve done this 20 times before and nothing bad happened” tells me they did something they knew could cause harm. You say that kind of thing when you’ve gotten caught drag racing or jumping off the roof of the garage and something goes wrong. You don’t say that just because you met a girl and went for a ride or a consensual roll in the hay.
14. Steve Holloway. Hello! Good to “see” you. Are you Dave’s dad? As for Michael Dompig, you know the young people on the island know what’s going on, who the players are and what they do. Even if they’re the ones at home studying, kids know what goes on. While Greta was inclined to believe Joran, I think there’s truth in what Michael Dompig had to say, but the powers that be in Aruba don’t want anyone airing their dirty laundry.
#33 richard
agree, she was either injured or murdered at the VDS compound and transferred to the area around the fishermans shack, i think joran stated in his taped confessions that he put her in the mangroves.
i’d like to know more about the white pickup truck that was spotted with 3 men putting, what looked like a body, into the back and shoveling sand into the back. have you heard anything on that?
Hi Katablog,
I have to wonder how much Paulus really knew. I mean, look at how wicked his spawn is? He got it from somewhere as the apple doesn’t fall to far from the tree. My guess is Paulus was well aware of what his baby boy was up to. After all, they are both so above the law, why would Paulus think it mattered what his son was up to? He had it covered…literally!
We know Paulus borrowed a boat and that he was looking up the effects of alcohol and drugs. I assume GHB as well? My memory fails me at this time.
Also keep in mind what the K2s said in reference to Paulus…”even your father”. THEY knew. I so wish they’d either grow a set or get a conscious and come forward with what they know. Certainly they see how “powerful” the Van der Sloots’ influence was (and I reinterate WAS) in Aruba. They did not want to wind up with missing head and limbs floating about in the sea. At this point the entire government body is wanting to sweep this under the rug and adding a couple of dead Kalpoes to that pile would probably not bother any of them.
Sharon, no doubt the FBI has it’s own theory and it cannot be far from what we all know now, but please keep in mind that they have zero juristdiction in that part of the world…which is a true shame as they would have actually gotten and recorded the evidence during those “golden hours” when it REAL and PROFESSIONAL water search was done asap, Natalee’s body would have been found.
For all of you saying Daury is daddy. Right on! Has to be.
Although I cannot say I am happy for Natalee’s family, I am glad they have the general outline of what occurred that night. If only Joran had a conscious, but it is not there and never will be. His only nightmare is not being able to go back and “run” Aruba as he used to. GOOD!
Brenda – it’s a shame the Kalpoes don’t realize that if they came forward to someone like Peter R. DeVries, they could be provided protection. It’s not safe for them to talk to anyone in Aruba (outside of Jossy Mansur or Hans Mos) but Peter has now provided his email at his web site. As I’ve said before, suing Dr. Phil will be small potatoes versus what they could get if they got the hell out of Aruba and then ratted out everything they know.
#50 – Steve Holloway is Dave’s wonderful brother who spent weeks helping Dave search for Natalee on Aruba the one crappy little island.
Question: Do you think they burried Natalee under a Rock boulder somewhere?
This hotshot lawyer Beth is consulting with about possibly bringing a civil suit does not seem to have much hope that the criminal case will be brought to a satisfactory conclusion..my words not his..but you get the drift.
Perhaps we should all go to Aruba and solve the case for them. I vote for Minnesota Dad as chief prosecutor…we’d only be on the island for 30 minutes..or less!
Hey, I wonder if Julia is gonna be in the book?
Wouldn’t it be something….
I’d like to see Peter DeVries find a contact on Aruba to befriend the two local girls who stated that Joran and/or his pals had sexually assaulted them before Natalee disappeared. They never filed a complaint with ALE, though, because they suddenly recanted their story – which means they were threatened and/or intimidated into shutting up. If the names of the people who shut them up are revealed, it will blow the whole scummy network of corrupt cops/lawyers/judges out of the water.
I have to beleive Joran is thinking about now that maybe it would have been better to have been tried at first in Aruba than now in the court of public opinion along with his whole family. Maybe this will be follow him his whole life.
who is Julia???
Julia is Julia Renfro, the American resident on Aruba who poses as a journalist. It is reported that she used to baby-sit for Joran. She has regularly smeared Beth and Natalee … or tried to, at least.
Brenda (#52) … Remember, too, that in the first phase of events Paulus paid a lawyer to represent the Kalpoes as well as his own son.
Nice humane guy, right?
Well, actually, the guy who pays the lawyer controls the lawyer. So in shaping what the Kalpoes had to say, he also was able to control the whole kit and kaboodle, as the saying goes.
I have been following this story from the beginning, but I feel a little ill reading the truth in black and white. So many of you know the little details (not being able to sit on Joran’s bed, etc.) that point to this very, very disturbing truth. This was no “simple” drug induced rape/murder. So many more people may have harmed Natalee. (the security- Koen’s?- shirt that was found) I, too do not think Natalee was dead that night. How do Beth and Dave deal with the horror of what Natalee endured? Keep up the good work, all of you wonderful monkeys.
Right on Brie !!! Never thought of it that way:
The repeated questions about seizures…they were hoping for a yes answer…wonder what direction that would of taken off in….but given the no answer told them Natalee was drugged…
62 Open a Window
The VCB Security Shirt that was found was Geoffrey Van Croimverts. Geoffrey’s father owned the company (VCB Security) and Geoffrey was known for posing as a “policeman” when talking with young tourist girls. Geoffrey was hitting on Natalee earlier in the week. Geoffrey and his whole family sold the business and got off of Aruba within months of Natalee’s murder. Geoffrey was around the VDS compound that night….you can bet on that one. Geoffrey was originally arrested for his participation.
Koen was there too. For months after Natalee’s murder it was rumored that Koen was wetting his bed and sleeping with his mother because he was so horrified by what happened that night. Koen was at the VDS compound that night. Koen’s father has interfered with the investigation by refusing to allow Koen to be interviewed as a witness in the case. Koen’s family left the island within months of Natalee’s murder. Koen was never arrested and has never given any substantive statements regarding the murder of Natalee Holloway.
Just about every Dutch Rat associated with this case has bolted from Rape Island. From law enforcement, to prosecutors, to the predators themselves. You will note that all of them have disappeared like roaches when the kitchen light goes on…with the exception of Joran who isn’t very smart and will disappear in the near future.
MD
#24 Richard said “Here’s a question: we know that the computer search was for the effects of drugs and alcohol. And we know that Joran said, in the taped interviews, that Natalee suddenly collapsed with a seizure.
But assuming that Paulus was Daury, and was called to the scene to ‘tidy up,’ what would it matter to him HOW Natalee died? Why would he, after the ‘disposal’ was done, want to research into the possible causes?”
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How about this for a reason Paulus would be looking up drug reaction information on his computer….
Natalee was not dead when Paulus got there. So he took her and Joran to the VDS house and he went online to see what to expect from Natalee’s condition over the next few hours.
#45 and #47 I don’t know all of the details, or that she was given ghb necessarily..my only reason for posting that was to remind people of the cultural difference of mindset, which may apply more pervasively than people realise. What you say is true, so before you watch a local poor your drink, you have to realise you are not only placing trust in a stranger(like you of course would at home) but you are decreasing your control over your situation, which is stepping out into a corrupt culture with corrupt taxi drivers, locals with alterior motives who may see you as a chunk of money or meat,who may see you as a contest to see how many foreign girls can be conquered(a popular game),etc..
All of that is also true of here, but SOOO much more elevated in places like the islands. Live there awhile and you will get a feel for how different it is.
It seems so simple..everyone should be wanting first and foremost justice for natalee..Now we are aware that injustice and cover-ups come so easily and quickly for the ‘justice’ system there becasue that is what they are used to doing, and what they are so confortable with.
I wish she had not been a victim of the scum of the earth, but I at least pray that jsutice will be served. It will be by God if not here on earth anyway.
sorry for the long ramble..peace
i have two questions. first, the black security guards were arrested just by the words of joran and the kalpoe brothers YET JORANS CONFESSION OF GUILT IS NOT ENOUGH.isnt this discrimination? also, one of these security guards said that joran had told him that the kalpoe brothers, joran, and his dad planned how they would tell their stories and what to do about disposing of natalee. isnt this corroborating evidence??
imo this isn’t so cut & dry.
there’s not a snowball’s chance in hell that joran dumped his shoes by choice & continued to walk home on jagged rocks. what little pavement they have on islands tends to be extremely rough on bare feet.
too many unanswered questions…
The disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway and the ensuing police investigation has cost the former Dutch colony of Aruba tens of millions of dollars in lost income from American tourists.
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Aruba has bet its’ future on a liar and murderer named Joran and his scumbag father.
#67 DEB
YET JORANS CONFESSION OF GUILT IS NOT ENOUGH.isnt this discrimination?
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The concept of discrimination doesn’t exist in Aruba because the concept of equality between the racist Dutch rulers and the natives doesn’t exist. “If you ain’t Dutch, you ain’t much”.
That summarizes Dutch law.
I hate Aruba, the system, not the people!!! I am so sick of this. Joran gets off no matter what he does. It is sickening that the conspiracy lives on, even when it had been exposed by the suspect himself. I really don’t think that..JUSTICE FOR NATALEE…would change my mind about not ever going there. Why risk it?
Wow this case just keeps getting crazier and crazier! So did they find anything else on the computer?
Richard,
Thank you for reminding me about the K2s lawyer being “owned” by Paulus! I completely forgot about that.
If the K2s were leave Aruba and write their own story of the night’s events they could support themselves, be protected, and finally be truthful.
I still think the K2s bragged about what they did with Natalee moreso than was fact to appear as “men” and put themselves in the same category as Joran…a “lady killer” (no kidding!).
If Joran (who we know is a braggard) told them all about what he did to Natalee, they would have the details and be able to brag like their idol/hero and tell the story as if in first person. I know this board is split on that one, and other than the fact we KNOW Joran and Paulus were directly involved in Natalee’s death and disappearance, I question the K2s and wonder if they were only used by the Sloots as is the method the Sloots use on everyone and everything.
Come on Kalpoes!!! Please leave that miserable island and tell the truth somewhere and bring Joran down!!
72 – I believe they also found evidence of some porn being downloaded.
What would be interesting is to find out who was going and pulling down Joran’s Myspace and other social networking sites in the 10 days following Natalee’s murder.
If I am not mistaken, Joran even e-mailed a couple of people who had copied photos off the site and asked them to take them down as his father didn’t want anything out in the public domain.
The stuff on Joran’s Myspace was pretty incriminating if I recall.
MD
MD, we remember that when joran was brought in to jail the first time, his father took his Web site off the Internet. We heard that it was frequented by the other Pimps. Paulus justified this action, as I recall, by saying that the stuff on there might make Joran look bad.
Some might think this action smacks of destruction of evidence.
Some might think that a lawyer, and a failed wannabe judge, doing this violates any pretense of legal ethics and deserves an investigation and clarification in and of itself.
Some might even think that it reeks of corruption.
I did, and do, think all this.
Richard #75,
Amen brother….
MD
minnesota dad, it is beyond anything that I could imagine. I know that Natalee is gone, but it is clear that her last moments were unspeakable. I think now of Amy Bradley and wonder if she faced a fate like Natalee’s, or worse, that she is still alive.
So disturbing were the last hours of Natalee’s life, that for months Koen wet his bed and had to sleep with his mother, and yet, the very first night, after whatever horrors were visited upon Natalee, Joran slept like a baby.
the evidence on the computer of Paulus was not accountable? Smuggling a phone to his son while in jail is not a crime? Or is that considered hearsay? Joran had the audacity to get mad at his dad for not putting enough minutes on the illegal phone. Who did he have to call? What was the purpose did daddy Sloot counsel his son on what to NOT say. ALE of course never researched this naturally.
These are the people who will protect you if you find yourself in trouble in Aruba..Boycott that corrupt island
#53 Katalog…. I doubt very much that the Kalpoes would turn on Joran and tell what they know because they are over their heads.
They most likely raped Natalee and was there when her body was being disposed of. This would mean a few years behind bars, so they are not talking…
When Jorans attorney says you can’t believe what Joran said on
the taped confession because he was under the influence of
marijuana, is complete bull… I have smoked weed since I was
17, I am now 35. You can say that, for the most part, I am a daily
smoker and weed has never made me say something I didn’t know
what I was saying. Weed is not that kind of drug. I can spend the
day high or sober and tell you in detail some time later what I did.
Weed has never made me lie or make up stories.
The connection of Joran explaining of how she was
shaking and the police asking if she had medical history of this,
his dad being a judge, and the
possible corruption with the police adds up to a cover up to me.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the body was dumped at sea and then
removed by someone. Has anyone checked out any gravesites
where maybe the moved the body so it wouldn’t be fond? Maybe
the graves with Jane Doe names or names that are not registered
with actual names of people that ever lived or hasn’t died?
I think if there is a cover up, the body is not out in the open to
where it would be recovered. And what happened to this Marcus
that said he had the body? Was he telling the truth
and someone stopped him from turning it over? Is he still out there
or has he mysteriously disappeared also?