RSSNatalee Holloway Investigation: Jossy Mansur with Greta Van Susteren … On the Record (2/11/08) Aruban Public Turns on Joran Van der Sloot
“The attitude of the people who were standing behind him before has changed and they all want to see this man leave the island.” (Jossy Mansur)
The pendulum has swung in the attitude of public opinion in Aruba as the Peter R. DeVries tapes have shown all a window into what Joran Van der Sloot is really like when no one is around and the public cameras are off.
Discussion with the Legal Round Table
Posted February 12, 2008 by Scared Monkeys Aruba, Crime, Joran Van der Sloot, Jossy Mansur, Missing Persons, Natalee Holloway, You Tube - VIDEO | 103 comments |
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Well it is now time for the people of Aruba to demand justice and to try to undo the damages done by the ALE.
BTW, JQK is fired up, that is a good thing. I noticed Joe T. is on the QT.
Since Paulus won’t man-up maybe Anita needs to woman-up, she’s got other children that deserve better.
Hey Julia, where is your apology? You smeared and slandered Natalee, Beth and Jug. Your outright lies about the blue eyed dutch boy and the vile vile thing you said about Jug.
Hopefully no one breaks this thread with long URLs. Maybe Klass could just delete them if she can’t fix them fast because there is stuff that would be good to read, but just too hard.
Anyway, according to the Amigoe article from Anita, she still gets support. That wouldn’t really surprise me since the only thing we see here is trolls from Aruba claiming Joran is innocent and blah blah blah. I’d put nothing pass Aruba since we know the PM still supports “the boy”. Blech!!! How can one call that creep a “boy”? He’s a monster that has held the Holloways/Twittys and Aruba hostage for 3 years.
Amigoe…..you don’t always get the straight truth from them…I don’t think there is much support for Anita….she is not only protecting Joran but herself as well..remember she said, it is only one girl….
More and more of the pieces of the puzzle are starting to make sense…recall when Paulus issued the paper work to stop the FBI from doing the water search and Dompig would not make the phone call for Tim Miller to bring in the equipment, everything to prevent us from looking in the sea…
Deepak needs to give us some answers to several questions…bring him in and make him explain his statements…how difficult is that, he said it…
Joran isn’t the only one on that island that has told 23 lies…
How do we see the video giving us a tour of the Persistence, Greta says stay tuned by nothing happens?
Yes, but my dear Kata…
According to Anita Van der sloot
her husband > ALREADY WAS a Judge.
Her loving son SPORTER, does not
drink or smoke reefer!
HE IS JUST A ‘SWEETHEART’
Joran would never hurt or
disrespect a young woman!
(or throw a glass of stinging
red wine in Mr. De Vries’ eyes!)
JUST MY 2 CENTS HERE… but ‘ME THINKS’
Z old broad > B crazier than a friggin’ mouse
at the TOP OF THE HOUR in Quasimodo’s Bell Tower.
That is just my assessment of things, anyway.
Carry on!
http://tinyurl.com/yq7m8r
HI MISS
CAN YOU TELL ME HOW MANY MORE KIDS ANITA HAS?
BOYS OR GIRLS AND AGES
AND MISS .. THOSE THAT CRITICIZE BETH AND FAMILY. HAVE LITTLE GOING FOR TEM UPSTAIRS.. THEY ARE CUT FROM THE SAME SCISSORS.. PROBABLY FROM THE SAME UNBILICAL CORD…
JORAN HAS LITTLE SUPPORTERS .. SO HE NEEDS ALL THE VILE PEOPLE HE CAN GATHER…
CARPE YOU ARE SO FUNNY
I SEEN THE PIC U HAVE THE LINK TOO.. CARPE YOU FROM HOLLAND.. I DETECT AN ACCENT
If Natalee was in and out of consciousness in the car, they, there and then could of driven her directly to the hospital and got medical attention..anyway you look at it, Natalee needed help!!! And not one of them did anything about it….
Who does the Sloot family patronize as their friend and neighbor, Freddy, the porno freak…he’s invited to their house, eats at their table and is exposed to the younger boys…good grief! That whole family is sick on sex…makes you puck!!!
The woman is a brainless bag of wind. She can’t see the wood for the trees. She is hanging in there hoping her big shot of a wannabe judge will make a few more phone calls to his cronies and tell her that all is o.k.
The problem is the culture of the Netherlands and other European cities (I am a Brit and its pretty bad there too) is now so lax and immoral that the attitude towards women is total disrespect, particularly among the younger generation…and yes to a large degree they deserve it, but they do not deserve to die at the hands of a callous, spoiled-rotten brat who has his parents on the run 24/7 cleaning up his messes after him.
Also there is in Europe, among a lot of people, a very nasty attitude to Americans. They imo mask their jealosy by a superior attitude and like to criticize us. I get a basin full of it every time I go over there and I dish it right back!
Deepak and Satish carried drinks out to the car, maybe it was then offered to Natalee, spiked. Could be that’s why they remain silent….
Wash your car at 3:00am…neighbor needs to be called in as a witness…
I agree with Jossy, something is up with the Kalpoes
Carpe, your a classic, that was so funny…
I WENT TO AMIGOE.COM ARUBAS NEWSPAPER AND FOUND THIS INTERESTING ARTICLE.. THEY ARE EXPECTING TO MAKE ALOT OF MONEY OR ARE THEY JUST WANTING US TO THINK THEY ARE
TAKE ANITA TO BAGHDAD SHE FITS IN.. SHES STUPID SUBMISSIVE AND BLIND TO HER SURROUNDINGS…
Airport anticipates rush hour in the summer
AAA anticipates an excellent year now that some airline companies have indicated increasing their number of flights substantially.
ORANJESTAD — Aruba Airport Authority (AAA) anticipates that the airport is going to be rush hour this coming summer; namely several airline companies have asked for extra flights in June, July, August, and September. On top of that, starting June 25, ArkeFly will increase her weekly flights to the Netherlands from 2 to 3.
Front runner is Delta Airlines that from June 14 till August 17 will increase her weekly flights from 7 to 11. Delta will perform 9 weekly flights to Atlanta and 2 to John F. Kennedy Airport in New York, and an overnight flight on Friday, which improves the connection from Atlanta considerably.
Spirit Airlines (Ford Lauderdale) is also going to fly more often from May 1 till September 1. Instead of once a week, this airline company is going to fly twice a week between Florida and Aruba.
AAA also anticipates that due to the extra growth in the Latin-American tourist- market, the airline companies from this region will put in extra flights in the summer months. “We exerted ourselves for increasing especially the number of flights in the middle of the week. Traditionally, these are the quiet days in the week and jazzing this up is difficult. We have obviously managed to convince a few airline companies of the benefits. Because of this, 2008 seems to become an excellent year”, said Peter Steinmetz, director of AAA.
Does Aruba think that telling him that they don’t want him on the island that everything will be OK?
Not No But HELL NO!!! I want the SOB put in prison so he can be Bubba’s bitch for a few years. They can give Paulus an adjoining cell with Butch.
Hey, Aruba, Joran has already left the island. Didn’t you notice? But having him go somewhere else won’t solve the issue … we want justice for Natalee, and boycotting your hellhole of an island is the sole tactic that we, the American people (and sympathizers), have left to push it.
The issue isn’t just Joran per se anymore … the issue is that anyone else who goes to Aruba could well become a victim, and the Aruban government will again cover up what happens.
Boycott Aruba as though your life were on the line.
Support the protesters at the Aruba Tourism Authority events. Stand up for Natalee!
Here’s an article saying that ONE JUDGE refused to let Joran be arrested. The appeal is to a panel of three judges.
http://www.nbc13.com/gulfcoastwest/vtm/news.apx.-content-articles-VTM-2008-02-11-0018.html
Holloway’s Parents Await Judgement On Appeal
Monday, Feb 11, 2008 – 06:46 PM
By NBC 13 Staff
Natalee Holloway’s parents are anxiously awaiting news from Holland about whether the chief suspect in her disappearance will be re-arrested.
A three judge panel is now considering an appeal from Aruba’s chief prosecutor.
He’s asking the three judge panel to overrule a single judge who is refusing to allow Van Der Sloot to be re-arrested.
Of course, we don’t want to see Joran arrested, only to be released … which makes it more difficult for the “next time.” Let’s hope that, if Natalee is indeed in the ocean, the Persistence will succeed in its quest.
From all accounts, Anita has two other sons, younger than Joran.
For other sources Paulus has another son. Lorenzo.
In regards to those who slander Natalee, Beth and Jug, they are just plain evil. You can see it in their faces, EVIL.
I am thinking Anita is an abused mother and wife.
Can you imagine if Joran threw wine in Peters face on camera, what does he do to his mother when he doesn’t get his way? We all know that Paulus is lame, the camera show’d us that. Could it be that Joran has such a sharp sword hanging over his head, that Joran can do anything he wants and daddy will stay silent? Maybe Julia could fill us in.
carpe noctem: do you live in an igloo? If so, hello.
So many people know exactly what Aruba did and what they are up to now.
They sound even more stupid, IF POSSIBLE, than they did in 2005
Great report on dutch tv-news-show Eén Vandaag about the Persistance-search. Great to see! BIG BOAT!!!
Is this the same Judge that released all of the suspects all the time? Does anyone know who he is?
readers
havent you noticed every tiem the cameras focus is on pauulus getting into his car.. he is like running to get away.. no back bone.. also i heard that the other son pauulus fathered is a bad seed.. the apple doesnt fall to far from the tree..equa search is in the ocean looking for natalie.. i hope soon they will find her…
I think the reason he could go home and sleep like a baby, was that it was his daddy he called. There is no friend in the world willing to go to those lengths to protect a punk kid, especially for free.
Even so, I doubt father and son are sleeping peacefully now.
barbie i agree.. it was daddy,,
I heard Papa made two ATM withdrawals that night – must have paid the driver of the boat off.
#18…I believe I read somewhere that is was the same stinking judge…Rick Smid
Brie, here is the You Tube link to the Persistence video. It’s nice to see these guys getting some attention for all their efforts!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8GKU7VEcSM
#18 I think his name is Wit
# 5, Carpe…ROFL !!! You are too funny. So, we hang on until tommorrow’s news only to be let down again. Reality is:
The 3 judges in Aruba will not re-arrest Joran. For the prosecution…this is indeed a very, very hard case to prove. Sporter’s attorneys are now going to plead that Joran cannot be believed about anything (duh) he is a habitual liar. YAH THINK???
I agree With Greta V. that if I were the Holloways right now, I would be vehemently appealing to my Governor, Congressmen, etc. go as high up the ladder as need be that the initial investigation was not handled correctly and that their legal rights were violated by this corrupt investigation.
I have a very sad feeling knowing JVDS is probably going to walk (even if he gets extradited from Holland and goes to trial). It is difficult to prove (even after these tapes) that he murdered or raped Natalee without a body. So, even with his admission- the most he will get punished for is disposing of her body. I said it before, I will say it again—Everyone KNOWS OJ did it–but look- he is still a free man. Same thing is going to happen here. A MONSTER, a complete socio-pathical person has committed a crime and is going to be let free. Life will be harder for Sporter, though- he was not a black man or a celebrity—rather- a young, white, spoiled kid whose Dad had connections and committed crimes which harmed many people. People are out for him now….think about it! He has to HIDE in Holland? They were going to hunt him down in the streets…in Holland? Bet Sporter has got his custom made vest ready by now…..hahahah
Only my lousy 2 cents worth- but I think that is how everything is going to end up above…unresolved. I maintain Joran will get his in the end. Paulus needs to be put of of business (still practicing in law in Aruba)….I am not sure if they disbar there. He won’t ever have a lucrative career in Holland or the States after this either. Anita is sh**, has always been sh**, so she will just remain sh**…a useless public servant. A Schoolteacher no one cares about? Anita needs to HOP ON THE CLUE BUS BEFORE IT RUNS HER OVER! Thing is, it already has years ago but she is too stupid to know it. According to Jossy Mansur, Papa & Mama Sloot still keeping low key in their Aruba residence, I say boot their asses out and have some better qualified parents adopt their other innocent children.
Hope the Holloways do not have to go through several more months or years of an on-going investigation (but probably will ! HELL THEY CANNOT GIVE UP NOW!). My heart goes out to them to keep up their persistence. Sad to admit…I do not believe the correct justice will ever be served in the case but Natalee’s life was not given in vain.
-J4N
#22 diane
those withdrawls good of been like this:
1. PAY THE TWO KALPOE BROTHERS
2. THE PERSON WHO LOANED HIM THE BOAT.. HE PAUULUS HAD TO BEEN WITH THE BOAT N DRIVER
I am wondering why haven’t anyone mentioned anything about the physic show that aired on Court TV about two or three months ago where these two people that are physic was investagating in Aruba the Natalee case and they had said a lot of the same things that Joran was saying on this new tape that happend to her and they also knew where her body is why has noone looked into what they had said because I am wondering if someone would look into that show and maybe check on the spot that they say she is that then someone would finally be charged with this and there would be some piece then for the family as well.
#15- Miss Under. I have always enjoyed reading your posts and opinions, but here regarding your comment on Anita being an abused Wife or Mother…No way ! She is in 100% complete DENIAL. Think about it! She marries an attorney and has a brood of children. I think she is not a bad person, just a HORRIBLE mother! She is too stupid and lacks the courage to do anything but look at the world from her rose colored glasses. She is not abused. She is incompetent. About the only good thing she has managed to do with her life is get a college degree and teach children. What is it? Art? Home economics, something like that?
Sorry, Miss but I truly have to disagree wholeheartedly with that theory.
Howev
29. I respect your opinion.
Either way, if its Witt or Smid, that answers all the questions. Does anyone know are the other judges on the panel?
I was picturing Paulus sweating. I don’t think he has gotten so much press time until now. The heat is on Pauley. Do you think the Sporter was biting his tongue bloody the other day during questioning?
#28 – I saw that show and it was pretty stupid…a lot melodrama. Beth supported these people and gave them something of Natalee’s to use for psychometry. I believe there are some pscyhics that are real but I believe most for FOS. I think the biggest theory has been that Natalee died on the beach and the stars of the show went with that. Other psychics have different stories…you know…like Natalee being pregnant with Jug’s baby. Just a bunch of horse crap if you ask me. I did write to Sylvia Brown early in this case to see what she had to say. Some assistant wrote back and said that Sylvia would be happy to help the family but they would have to ask her personally. Hmmmm….personally with a big fat check?
# 26 A New Girl
I COULDNT OF SAID IT BETTER MYSELF
#30 – Miss, you should probably shower after having a mental image of PVDS sweating. That thought sure makes me want to scrub down.
Must-Seee Video of Jug on Nancy Grace’s show
This show was power-packed with info!
Jug talks about the cover up; Nancy discusses likely GHB being sllipped.
Videos courtesy of Carpe.
NANCY GRACE: FEATURING MR. JUG TWITTY
Part1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O7ApQQi5IU
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRVij3iCzH8
Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EndajyysbLI
Part4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4a0q9EWqv4
I hope Red or Klaas makes the video, or part of it, frontpage material. It packs a knock-out punch!
Right Katie – and look who owns their own business now: the Kalpoes father… wonder how much Paulas paid them all off including the judges. For that matter, I bet Joe Taco is making a big buck trying to give some credibility to all of Joran’s lies… too bad no one is listening the old Taco.
#28 tanya
IT HAS BEEN ON MY MIND.. ABOUT THE PHYSICS WHO WENT TO ARUBA. I WATCHED THE SEGMENT.. BUT I HEAR NOTHING ELSE ABOUT THEM EITHER
#26 New Girl: The 3 judges in Aruba will not re-arrest Joran. For the prosecution…this is indeed a very, very hard case to prove. Sporter’s attorneys are now going to plead that Joran cannot be believed about anything (duh) he is a habitual liar. YAH THINK???
RIGHT!! How can a liar (Joran)run the whole country of Aruba… Is that it… Lie and you cannot be procecuted for murder and rape and disposal of a body?????
That is rediculus… someone needs to put a twelve pack of soap in his mouth and then suds it up! Make his lieing stop!! Ok I know that is impossible… PUT HIM BEHIND BARS WHERE HE BELONGS!
One thing for sure – Joran didn’t get to follow his dreams and enter the U.S. and go to our colleges…. Anyone who gets involved with him from here on out will have to wonder if he is indeed capable of murder. Have fun Joran!
perhaps Peter De Vries can uncover the true reason Paulus didnt get to be a judge?? Was it the cocaine or the gambling addiction?
Come on peter dont quit yet!!!
#35 diane
i didnt know the kalpoes had a father hes never been seen or mentioned beofre.. i know they are poor people. pauulus paid for their lawyer.. he isnt doing it from kindness. like his son.. they only do things like that if they are hushing someone.. sure has been alot of hush money floating around the island..
the reason the kalpoes dont speak is because it doesnt benefit them financialy.. to speak… or… they fear .. they may end up in the ocean next to natalie.. thats a corrupt island.. everything goes.. like sodom and gomorrah
Brie, #3: Just curious where you found information that Paulus stopped the FBI from doing a water search? It sounds like that happened awhile ago, but I’m still wanting to know. You seem to have good information on this case, that I’m unable to find anywhere! And by that I mean information that reveals the corruption of this case.
How stupid can you be to make this comment:
“Hey, Aruba, Joran has already left the island. Didn’t you notice? But having him go somewhere else won’t solve the issue … we want justice for Natalee, and boycotting your hellhole of an island is the sole tactic that we, the American people (and sympathizers), have left to push it.
The issue isn’t just Joran per se anymore … the issue is that anyone else who goes to Aruba could well become a victim, and the Aruban government will again cover up what happens.
Boycott Aruba as though your life were on the line.
Support the protesters at the Aruba Tourism Authority events. Stand up for Natalee!”
I MEAN IN THAT CASE LETS BOYCOT EVERY SINGLE COUNTRY AND ISLAND ON THIS EART, BECAUSE HEY WE AINT SAFE ANYMORE!
LETS START WITH THE USA. IT’S WELL KNOWN THAT A PERSON GOES MISSING THERE EVERY HOUR. AND HEY, GUESS WHAT, THAT’S THE COUNTRY’S FAULT!
DON’T DARE TO GO THAILAND. A TSUNAMI MIGHT HIT YOU. OFCOURSE THE COUNTRY’S FAULT TOO!
FORGET ABOUT AFRIKA! YOU MIGHT GET AIDS!
AND DON’T GET ME STARTED ON VENUZUELA, CUBA, BRASIL, ETC.
HONESTLY. YOU’D EXPECT MORE OF THE PEOPLE OF A COUNTRY AS BIG AND MODERN AS THE USA!
BUT THAT AGAIN IT AINT A SURPRISE TO BE DISSEPOINTED AGAIN. (NO OFFEND TO THE SAIN PEOPLE OF THE USA).
I remember Karin Jansen saying Anita and Paulus interferred in the investigation.. Anita called a witness over to the house and asked them what they told the police. I also remember Anita trying to tell that story that Joran put “the girl” on the beach and went home.. She was laughing when she said it. It was also Anita who said, the police searched the house and grounds twice. The apple sure don’t fall far from the tree..
Reading the BiBle? right..! what a joke..Anita speaks..
He couldn’t — the only thing he could read was the Bible he got from a very nice police guy. He got a Bible to read.
And he was telling me, Mommy, look at me, I’m reading the Bible. Did you ever think about that? And I think it’s great. It’s difficult to read.
ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: Joran is a very outgoing person. He’s a sweetheart. To me, he’s very warm. We spend Easter vacation in Florida together to visit his school, and we had a lot of fun together, went to Busch Gardens , and he was getting me cups of coffee and making jokes. He’s very outgoing, loving, caring, fights with his brothers all the time, but I think that’s pretty normal. We cannot get him out of bed in the morning to go to school, but once he’s there, he’s doing great. He got picked up on the morning of his graduation. He graduated with honor, all As and Bs. He did some AP, advanced courses, physics, calculus, AP English.
VAN SUSTEREN: Any drug use or alcohol use by him?
ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: A hundred percent no. No. He is, like, Mom, I would not smoke or I would not use drugs because I am a sporter. I want to make something out of my future. If there would have been anything of that, I would have noticed. I’m a teacher. I work with kids between 12 and 18 years, the last 25 years. So you’re used to so many things, problems that appear with your students. You’re so alert. And I think you’re even more alert with your own children.
Wasn’t it Anita who said in Holland recently Joran was seeing a shrink twice for gambling, and another time it was his temper,, on this interview it was to improve his study habits? Don’t you love Paulus telling about Joran having his own place at 15 and having sleepovers for little girls and her ad naseum three thick kisses.
‘ Joran is a delicious boy ‘ by Floor Ligtvoet Thursday 30 March 2006 –
A day earlier a high-level police source whispered anonymously, that joran had been treated for lying. Nonsense, asserts Anita firmly. Her son has undergone only counseling to improve his study habit
He talks gently and in a controlled way concerning his child, but Anita excites herself concerning the bad tales that circulate on the island. Joran gambling – and sex-addicted? He is simply a delicious youth! A delicious adolescent, who lives for friends, sport, and family. Oké, he has adolescent traits. Not always sticks to his appointments. If he is supposed to be home at one at night her turns off his cell so his parents can’t call him. If he gets in trouble later, he gives his concerned mother three thick kisses.
“He was in fact very loving with his girlfriends” Joran had always many little girls around him but the contact was frequently only friendly, she says. “They went with each other for as a brother and sisters” Paul wants to show Joran’s room. However., friends, both little girls and boys, could always spend the night he says as he crosses the garden to the outbuilding. Since he was 15 Joran had here, beside the swimming pool and at a reasonable distance of the parental house, his own bedroom and bathroom. Paul opens the door carefully. “Look, here slept four or five during the sleepovers. It was always completely normal.
from Amigoe:
ORANJESTAD — Joran van der Sloot declared that the conversations in Patrick van der Eem’s car, were carried on under influence of marihuana. He said this at a police station in Rotterdam, where he was voluntarily interrogated yesterday morning.
Detectives of the Aruban police and of the Corps national police service (KLPD) and his Dutch lawyer were present at the interrogation that lasted about two hours, said the Public Prosecutor (OM).
Other than that, Van der Sloot stuck to all his prior declarations in the investigation. He denies having anything to do with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, said the OM. He could leave after the interrogation. The examining magistrate decided on February 5 that Joran van der Sloot is not to be detained. The OM has appealed that decision and expects a verdict from the Common Court of Justice.
The OM has called on the media in a press release not to launch a witch hunt around the Holloway-case and to abstain from investigations of their own. “The interest for this case seems to degenerate into a witch hunt, whereby several people are being menaced in an intimidated manner”, is the opinion of justice. To the OM, these practices are ‘unacceptable’. People are being marked as suspects without any confirmation and menaced as such with all its consequences. Besides, other than causing big unrest, journalistic investigations harm the criminal investigation, said justice. “Without wanting to harm the value of free press coverage, justice would like the media to be reserved, exactly for the above reasons.”
The OM mentioned as an example the media hunt on an accomplice that Van der Sloot mentioned. After this person (Daury Rodriguez) had declared that he has nothing to do with the case, all eyes focused on a next person (Lorenzo van Rijn).
“The cameras were all around his house”, informed district attorney Dop Kruimel. “He had to take on a lawyer for the contact with us.”
If necessary, the OM will also protect the suspect Joran van der Sloot. The OM is also of the opinion that yesterday’s words of Justice-minister Rudy Croes were premature. Croes wants to declare Joran van der Sloot persona non grate.
“The boy is not convicted yet; besides, there are a whole lot of judicial hurdles ahead, before he can be refused admission to Aruba. He is legally admitted anyway”, was the reaction of the OM.
Many institutions, official bodies, lawyers, journalists, and psychologists are asking themselves how to handle the outpouring of Joran van der Sloot before the hidden camera. According to law psychologist Albert Wagenaar, there is not even a confession in the revealing reportage. There is no solving of the case and it is no confession of a criminal act, ’because none is indicated’, said the psychologist.
The ombudsman of NOS, Tom van Bussel is of the opinion that the NOS should have been more reserved in reporting Peter R. de Vries’ claim that he had solved the Holloway disappearance-case. After the coverage of SBS6 on Sunday evening it appeared that De Vries’ promise is not fulfilled. “What we know now is that Joran is a confused guy. Like a source of the OM phrased it: ‘We thought that we would get a solution, but what we got was another of the so-many stories”, states the ombudsman on his NOS-website.
At this moment, the Dutch Council for Journalism doesn’t want to say whether certain publications in the Joran van der Sloot-case have crossed the borders of careful journalism.
Nevertheless, top executive of the Dutch OM, Harm Brouwer praises De Vries for his coverage. The chairman of the college of procurator-general said in an interview in Trouw last Friday that De Vries has delivered good journalistic work. “The criticism from media circles on De Vries is pretty hypocritical”, said Brouwer. “What he did is a logical continuation on a trend that is going on for years. He is in many respects a journalistic professional.”
Brouwer wants a social debate on citizens that are actively involved in tracing activities. That is just a detail. The point is, where private investigation must start and where it must stop.”
BALKENENDE
Premier Jan Peter Balkenende assumes that, during his Aruba-visit this Friday, the Holloway-case will come up for discussion in his conversation with Premier Nelson Oduber. He said in the TV-programme EenVandaag that this is the case of the judicial authorities and that he must not get involved. He pointed out the complexity of the case. Van der Sloot’s statements are indeed arguable; Daury said that he was not on Aruba when the affaire took place. Balkenende will be on Aruba and the Netherlands Antilles for five days, starting on Sunday.
#43 maggie
im laughing so hard at what you wrote… hahaha down hilarious
i meant down right ..
nommy lies toooo i see or is just plain stupid.. stupis is as stupid does
33. da_wench
Actually when I go back to that day, I recall Paulus and Anita at the table with Beth and Greta, I do not remember there being any beverages on the table for Anita’s guests. It was friggin hot that day. Paulus was sweating a river, Anita wiping his dripping forhead. Now think about this. Here you are on international TV, with Greta, at your kitchen table, hotter than hell, you do not even offer up a cool beverage, more than that, Greta is talking to you about Natalee missing, your son being the last one seen with her. The phone rings, you get up during the interview and answer the phone. WHO WOULD DO THAT? PAULUS WHO CALLED?
I just hope that Greta and Beth had some Purell with them and I hope Anita sanitized the table and trashed the towel she mopped him up with.
Well I bet Julia knows about that better than me. Right Julia?
mommy lies oops.. i was laughing so hard i couldnt see what i was typing
I had to give up the igloo! It’s not convenient to
work, school, or bus lines. Shabby li’l duplex,
needs new paint.
Thanks, #42, for pointing out how dumb I am.
Anything might indeed happen anywhere … but we have seen what HAS happened in Aruba over nearly three years.
So far, the cover-up remains in place.
Don’t believe in a cover-up? Fine. Then you have to attribute what has gone on to incompetence, stupidity, corruption, malice, and a disregard for what happens to tourists.
That being the case, what is the only sane thing to do? Go to Aruba? Hell, no! Boycott it!
But, of course, we do believe in the cover-up.
Which makes the imperative to boycott Aruba even more urgent. It’s no longer just about Natalee.
Boycott Aruba as though your life were on the line.
Aruba speak up now while the eyes of the world are again focused on this case. It is safer now than it ever has been to share any knowledge you have about the case. Joran is responsible for putting your tourism in the crapper.
http://tinyurl.com/2r72ky
I’m thinkin’ 20 & 21 are making sense to me!
……..
….AND MAYBE IT HAPPENED THIS WAY?
—
I think Joran’s “Draury” concoction is
a hybrid of two people morphed into
one for lying purposes to protect
himself.
To sheild himself from his new found partner
in crime,Patrick.
A MORPH
Paulus Van der sloot & Steve Croes!
4:01 time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRVij3iCzH8
HE JUST WENT OUT INTO THE SEA
**** >FURTHER **** AND HE JUST
**** DUMPED **** HER.
HE WENT OUT **** FURTHER **** BECAUSE
HE WAS ALREADY STATIONED TO BE ON THE TATOO
PARTYBOAT ON THE WATER THAT NIGHT?
HIS NAME IS STEVE CROES, & I BELIEVE HE
MAY HAVE BEEN CONTRACTED BY PAULUS
VANDERSLOOT TO ABUSE HIS POSITION WORKING FOR
THE TATTOO PARTYBOAT. (and the resources that
being stationed on the Tattoo Party Boat
would have given Steve that night – He was
subsequently fired for leaving his post that
night. This is a FACT.)
He used TATOO BOAT RESOURCES, or a 3rd party
boat that Paulus,Joran,and Deepak could cook
up, I think.
Between Joran, Paulus, & Deepak, one way or
another a connection was opened to Steve
Croes out already on the water. They arrested
Steve Croes for a reason. Just like they were
already asking if Natalee had a history of
epilepsy & seizures > FOR A REASON.
They had info that Jaan & Paulus did not want
to share with Natalee’s family. Because I
think the info they had on them at the time
would hang Paulus, Joran, Deepak, a Sufferin’
Succ-A-Tish Kalpoe by their laughable
li’l microscopic balls?
-j4n
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FIRST ARUBA FORWENT TENS OF MILLIONS OF TOURIST DOLLARS FOR THE SAKE OF PRECIOUS, LITTLE SELF-CONFESSED SOCIOPATH JORAN — AND NOW THE NETHERLANDS IS PROTECTING AND CODDLING THE CRIMINAL MONSTER AS THOUGH HE WERE THE MESSIAH INCARNATE.
WHAT’S THE REASON, NETHERLANDS?
YOU M-U-S-T HAVE A REASON — IT MAKES NO SENSE.
OR PERHAPS YOU ARE JUST STONE-COLD DUMB, LIKE ARUBA?
We are not idiot’s…book ‘em…he did it !!!! And he know’s that…look at his face, justification of they will never find her…and he smiled..with gratification…PIG
******
From Amigoe:
ORANJESTAD — Joran van der Sloot declared that the conversations in Patrick van der Eem’s car, were carried on under influence of marihuana. He said this at a police station in Rotterdam, where he was voluntarily interrogated yesterday morning.
Detectives of the Aruban police and of the Corps national police service (KLPD) and his Dutch lawyer were present at the interrogation that lasted about two hours, said the Public Prosecutor (OM).
Other than that, Van der Sloot stuck to all his prior declarations in the investigation. He denies having anything to do with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, said the OM
*****
this sh is so Micky Mouse it is pathetic.
Sooner or later I fully expect
Joran & Paulus to be assassinated.
No one ever quite understands
why they must never go to jail!
It has been my experience, people like that are
sooner or later hunted and terminated for the
greater good of the public at large.
—-
F ‘em… if they nailed ‘em last week, for me it
is 3 years too late.
They are much like dog squat,
only not as pleasant.
THIS WHOLE THINGS SMELLS OF BAD CORRUPTION WITH PAUULUS THE LEADER… I THINK HE KNEW JORAN LEFT WITH NATALIE.. AFTER ALL PAUULUS PIC IS TAKEN AT THE CASINO SITTING ACROSS FROM NATALIE.. ON THE LAST FEW HRS OF HER LIFE.. LITTLE DID SHE KNOW WHAT WAS AHEAD…
Fox News (John Gibson) just reported that the Judge has given JOE TACOPINA until tomorrow to present his reasons not to arrest Joran. Is Joe licensed in Aruba/Netherlands? Red, please get the scoop on this!
__________________
SM: No, what a joke…TACO may be given Joran’s Aruban attorneys help but TACO can’t practice in Aruba. (klaasend)
THEY ARE A-L-L SO FREAKIN’ INEPT AND CORRUPT DOWN THERE — TO THE TUNE OF MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS OF TOURIST GONE FROM THE ARUBAN ECONOMY.
WE DON’T H-A-V-E TO VACATION THERE, ARUBA … AND WE AREN’T.
HELLO?
T-O-U-R-I-S-T D-O-L-L-A-R-S = BYE-BYE.
Thanks Klaas. I figured Joe was pulling the rings on the back of Joran’s attorneys to make them speak, but the way it was presented on The Big Story sounded like it was actually Joe in the courtroom (he’d need a translator).
42. Diefje. Lot of crazies and crime in the U.S. But if we smell a coverup or special treatment given to a Judge’s son or something, the media and many Americans cry foul. Loudly. The Aruban people have buried their heads in the sand of Aruba and believed the lies from those who covered up this crime. They aren’t challenging the botched investigation and corruption that has protected Joran and the Kalpoes from prosecution. They wanted this case to go away. We are treating this case like we would a corrupt investigation in the U.S. Difference is our leaders can’t do much about it in Aruba. The only recourse we have is to keep it in the public eye and encourage a boycott.
CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT LAST WEEK… THE VIEW … GAVE TWO FREE TICKETS TO ARUBA… I WROTE THEM AND SAID I WOULD NOT WATCH THEIR SHOW FOR THE WRONG THEY DID.. WHO WANTS TO SEND SOMEONE TO ARUBA..WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND…
Carp
I’ll give you a little more food for thought on that partyboat possibility. It seems the underwater searcher on Greta last night said Joran said “they slipped or slid her into the water”, he questioned the term “slipped”/slide, as opposed to rolled her over or threw her over. Now, I have read that the partyboat had a slide for patrons to go down into the water to go swimming. Seems that would be easier and less noticible than throwing her overboard. I think you are hitting on a strong possibiltiy.
#33 #47: Now tell me, if the van der Sloots offered you a drink of anything – would you drink it?
BOYCOTT ARUBA!
Carpe,
Let me say first, that I believe Natalee is in the landfill but if she were taken out to sea, you’re absolutely right. She was put in a large rolling suitcase or bag like you can buy at Cabella’s by Steve Croes and simply dropped overboard along the way. http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?type=product&cmCat=Related_IPL_320297&id=0036739319024a
Jerry
I am not a firm believer in psychics
but I thought this was a very interesting read
its in two parts wrote by Phil on this page
its a profile page he made up of Natalee oct 2006
and posted nov 28 2007… its posted in 2 parts
I hope this works as I have never made tiny urls before so if it doesnt forgive me
http://tinyurl.com/2lmmm2
To Deetch
GREAT article on”Aruba Dirty Police”. Have often wondered why Jossy only went so far. I would love to see a ‘cradle to the grave’ oops wishful thinking freudian slip there…profile of all those key players, the Prime Minister, J. van der Straaten, Karin Jannsen (particularly of interest), Dennis Jacobs, Dompig, Halley, PVDS, Judge Smid, and whoever else I’ve missed out or do not know about. Perhaps had I been Beth/Dave, and had the resources to hire some private investigators, I would have looked into the backgrounds of them all…and fought fire with fire.
Hope Jossy will pick up the gauntlet.
actually I am not sure if he wrote it or someone called linda crystal
also kayjay I read that piece too by deetch the other day and found it to be very good
To the Dutch Judges and Paulus Van Der Sloot.
GEEN VREDE ZONDER RECHTVAARDIGHEID. Begrijp?
To the ATA
NINGUNA PAZ SIN JUSTICIA. Entienda?
To Joe Tacopina
NESSUNA PACE SENZA GIUSTIZIA capisce Giusseppe?
No matter what language it still is…
To Joran
WITHOUT JUSTICE THERE IS NO PEACE. Understand?
“CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT LAST WEEK… THE VIEW … GAVE TWO FREE TICKETS TO ARUBA… I WROTE THEM AND SAID I WOULD NOT WATCH THEIR SHOW FOR THE WRONG THEY DID.. WHO WANTS TO SEND SOMEONE TO ARUBA..WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND…”
Katie; those were probably free to the show or at very low cost.
There are Mom’s on that show; how could they even think of accepting a gift like that from that island. I never watch their show as they say nothing that interests me anyway. BRAVO to you for voicing how you felt!
#43 WOW MAGGIE!
….
“Ok, he has adolescent traits. Not always sticks to his appointments. If he is supposed to be home at one at night he turns off his cell so his parents can’t call him. If he gets in trouble later, he gives his concerned mother THREE THICK KISSES.”
—
That ol’ bird said it
almost like she looked
forward to ‘em, huh???
—
This speaks for itself, Paulus!
….
“He was in fact very loving with his girlfriends” Joran had always many little girls around him but the contact was frequently only friendly, she says. “They went with each other for as a brother and sisters” Paul wants to show Joran’s room. However., friends, both little girls and boys, could always spend the night he says as he crosses the garden to the outbuilding. Since he was 15 Joran had here, beside the swimming pool and at a reasonable distance of the parental house, his own bedroom and bathroom. Paul opens the door carefully. “Look, here slept four or five during the sleepovers. It was always completely normal.”
….
Mr. Roger’s says:
“We are now exiting the
LAND OF MAKE BELIEVE”
Can u say that?
Sure ya can.
-j4n
i slipped her rophinal (rewphy) and after i raped her she started shaking. i called my dad and he picked up stevie. stevie brought the boat close and daddy and i loaded her up. i then went home and logged on the internet. afterwards, stevie and dad came home and told me she wouldnt be found. i dont know where they put her. daddy told me to go to school and act normal. we paid stevie like 800 for gas and his trouble and promised him 10k after it blows over. we had no idea the family would be down so fast, nor did we expect the media hype. wow, did you see my dad sweating? anyway, you’ll never have evidence of murder and daddy and stevie will never talk. daddy told us if we all stay quiet, nothing can ever happen. the only was we could find trouble is my admitting it. the kalpos were helpful in creating a distaction, but those guys are tools, i just used them for rides time to time. so, let’s just end it now. we will never do any time for this. it’s over now.
I posed this question to a legal friend today:
I don’t believe much of Joran’s ‘confession’ on the deVries show. Exactly what is true and what is not, I don’t know. But I don’t believe that the Kalpoes are innocent, as he says.
(The question is, innocent of what? Of taking part in moving the body? Perhaps. Innocent of an assault on Natalee? I don’t believe that … there is too much stuff implicating them.)
I also don’t believe that whatever happened, happened on the beach.
But here’s my question:
J. says he knows the identity of the person who either helped him “dispose of” Natalee’s body or disposed of it on his own, in the boat. In the latter case, he, J., is a witness.
And from what we’ve heard, under Dutch law, suspects can lie but witnesses can’t.
He also professes to have seen “Daury” take Natalee’s body out in the boat.
So if he refuses to give the name, isn’t that concealing evidence? And since he himself is saying this, why wouldn’t that be actionable in law?
Do YOU have any idea? I sure as hell don’t
Let’s see who besides Joran and Paulos would want to help dispose of a dead girls body? Maybe the one who provided or sells the rewphies.
GHB can cause these problems:
* relaxation
* drowsiness
* dizziness
* nausea
* problems seeing
* unconsciousness (black out)
* seizures
* can’t remember what happened while drugged
* problems breathing
* tremors
* sweating
* vomiting
* slow heart rate
* dream-like feeling
* coma
* death
In re the above talk about Steve Croes and the Tattoo: It might be worth keeping in mind that PvdScum called the Koen Gottenbus family asking to use their boat. I’ve read this, don’t remember where, or how it was verified.
I anxiously await word from the Persistence.
I need closure and God knows the family does.
To he!! with Awwwuuuba.
Sander lost his cell phone that night and Paulus’s cell phone was found at the lighthouse…now come on…put the facts together..Geez…if it wasn’t so tragic and sad it would unbelievably comical…so many things exposed right in front of their face and they don’t see it…Oh Lord…we really need to take over…the island has turned into used cat litter..
I think Straaten was initially behind the whole thing…dirty scum bag..he looks like a hung over drunk..
Why does a young boy need a bedroom and a bathroom of his own detached from the house..just breeds trouble…stupid!
JVS,
Joran & his father may never do time for this… but not for the reasons that u think!
I predict they will be shot via sniper assasin when Joran is forced out of his li’l vacation spot at Grammy’s Doobie Shack in the Nederlands, & forced back onto the island of Aruba to face the music like a real man. This should happen
later this week.
Deepak & Satish will turn & finally speak out against JORAN-STEIN in the media. They will do this now because there is not one soul in this world that believes a word that comes out of his mouth.
If Deepak ever wanted a book deal, now is
the time to strike. Joran has virtually paved the road for him to now be very likely to pull one down.
It is two against one. They never talked! If there is one thing in all of this MESS that they did right, IT WAS THAT.
I’m almost positive Greta will be
“INCLINED TO BELIEVE THEM!”
http://tinyurl.com/3Xp4ha
Joran has talked himself to death, literally.
Natalee Ann will be found soon by the RV PERSISTENCE CREW. Aruba will eventually completely rid itself of the
‘VANDERSLOOT CURSE’ and, in time,
live on to fight another day!
THE END.
http://tinyurl.com/3cerjg
-j4n
I think there were two boats used…Koen’s to pick up Natalee and the crab cage…Koen’s boat could come into the waters close to the fisherman’s hut, the party boat couldn’t, it’s too big…I think the crab cage using the rope they also stoled was towed behind the party boat and then released into the sea…if anyone in the sea looked like they were approaching the party boat it was easy enough to cut the rope….also, far out the waters may have been too rough for Koen’s boat…the party boat books private charters, so maybe not a question why it was out in the sea that night…just a thought….!
Also, remember the Tattoo Partyboat utilizes
WATER TAXI BOATS to get people on and off,
because as Brie points out, it is so darn big!
Steve Croes had ‘MAS ACCESS’ to boats that night.
“FOR REAL DOUGH.”
I’m just sayin’. -j4n
Just one more daddy comment. The fervor Joran expressed regarding taking the name of his “friend” that helped him to his grave, smacked of daddy. Whatever name he assigned, he was talking about his daddy. 17 year olds don’t have enough clout or money to accomplish what was done, no matter who they daddy is.
After all, who taught him to be such a creep with girls? Mommy was off the island, say no more.
Joran goes down for the count, there goes daddy too. Hence, the struggle for concealment.
Sure he was lying on the tapes. He skirted around the entire issue, it is too shameful to really admit the ugly reality of the whole story. Even if he felt he was talking to someone on the other side of the law. There was plenty of disguised truth.
Natalee, we have all made small judgment errors in our lives, and most of us have escaped the terrible consequences that you have suffered.
Let’s hope for physical evidence. The problem with the Aruban justice system, is that if and when it does go to court…
OM said he did not want a WITCH HUNT. Did he try to stop the WITCH HUNT that was leveled at Natalee,Beth,Jug and Dave or the MB kids, I DONT THINK SO.
Some idiot said that the tapes should have been given to ALE instead of being played on TV. WHY SO THEY COULD THROW THEM DOWN THE SAME RAT HOLE THAT ATE ALL THE REST OF EVIDENCE.
If the judges rule that this confession does not constitute enough proof to arrest Jurine then I will not be surprised if someone takes the position of “kill them all and let God sort it out”. I just hope that they get them all!
Remember Joran said this guy wouldn’t talk because he’s got something on him too, could be Steve Croes. Steve said the reason why he voluntarily went to the police was because he overheard Deepak talking to someone about dropping Natalee off at the HI. I don’t think that Steve and Joran are that good of buddies but Joran still might know some things about Steve that he wouldn’t want known.
Then, of course, Koen would never talk. He just pees in his pants.
I think Paulus is definitely a given.
I think Paulus’s involvement is definitely a given
Monster of Montanja the Younger of the Ditch – if Nat was doing drugs on her own and died, why would you have to lie and coverup?
Monster of Montanja the Younger of the Ditch – ever thought of sticking your head in an airplane propeller?
Annis, me thinks the question should have been – How is the igloo orientated? And what about the welfare of all penguins?
Don’t get me wrong. I agree they should arrest Joran for this crime. I even believe this goes beyond Joran (so yes, I do believe there’s a coverup). And a long with the rest of the world, the USA, Aruba and Holland I’m shocked he’s still a free man.
But to punishe a whole island for one man’s crime is pathetic!
If we’d have to boycot every country for a certain crime, we’d be going no where!
Boycotting Aruba for the Natalee-case is like saying: “hey, don’t go to America, you might become a victim like on 9-11, but hey! That’s America’s own fault, cause they keep provocing those stupid terrorists!”.
Or how about; “Don’t move to the USA, you might have problems with the healthinsurance and end up with no help at all and die!!! But hey; that’s America’s fault, they should have chosen a presedent with a better healtplan”.
Honestly, I’m dissepointed in those who claim a boycot is the only solution.
It’s just as stupid as saying Natalee shouldn’t have got in the car in the first place. I agree, it is stupid, but that does not give anyone the right to take her life!
I’m thru with this. Thank God Aruba can do fine without the tourists of the USA.
I even think I’m going to book my next holiday to Aruba now!
See you all there! Oh no… I’ll have the whole paradise to my self and the fine Americans who aren’t ignorant like most of them.
I’ll make some time to send an e-card to you all!
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SM: Your comparisons are ridiculous and border on that of a moonbat.
Boycotts are the solution as Aruba only understands and takes serious one thing … tourism money. Affect that bottom line and you suddenly get their attention.
If you would compare a cover up of a crime in Aruba to an act of terrorism and that the US govt planned the attack … frankly that’s hardly a comparison.
It is so fascinating that the trolls that would defend the story … feel the need to insult people and call then stupid. Speak for yourself my son.
R
Im not undestanding this add the numbers and then when you post , it tells ya you have to add the numbers, how does this work?
is there a typing time limit or what?
Bpycott Aruba young ladies,the life you Save may be be your own.
Sorry, but I spent about 20 minutes typing something to say here and when I sent it it went to the you have to add this number thing. I added the numbers from the get go, so why is it not working?……..
diefje: why not ask your own aruban pm why your island suffers. the people of aruba are just now coming around to the real truth. and that is you have several murderers there that have committed a crime against one of our own.
how many of you would even blink an eye if an aruban citizen was murdered in another country ?
the attitude of the police and island officials have shown us that they could care less.
no one wants to see your citizens suffer. if they don’t like it they could stand up and fight.looks like they are finding that out
I think the night went like this:
Natalee wanted to see sharks, so J2K went to the lighthouse. She was very drunk, thanks to Joran, and probably drugged. Joran pushed Natalee to having sex with him in Deepak’s car, they get to the lighthouse, continue the rape with Deepak but Natalee starts having convulsions. Deepak and and Satish drive off to get help, Paulus and Koen. They go to the lighthouse, lose their phones there, while putting an unconsious Natalee in Paulus’ car. Joran looses his belt there, may have used it around Natalee’s neck. Natalee is taken to their house, the main house still alive. Could they have called a local doctor? Paulus gets on the internet looking for alchohol/drug information. He goes to the ATM to get two withdrawals, for a large sum of cash. He or Lorenzo meet up and take her to a crack house, give them money for drugs and take Natalee in. Beth and Jug arrive in Aruba, hearing Natalee may be at a crack house dying of an overdose that she was given there. Beth gets a call from a woman there with information. Jug goes to the crack houses looking for her, people get scared. Natalee is moved to another house, she may have died then. She is buried in a shallow grave, then moved again. I think she could still be in the landfill. Since Joran said they threw her in the ocean like an old rag, I get the visual of old rag that you would throw away in the trash that would go to a landfill, not in the ocean. The only witnesses that saw a body being disposed of was at the landfill, and a body the the lighthouse. I think since the landfill is regulated and Dave needed permission to access it, this would be a controlled place by the government to cover up Natalee’s body, literally. 2.5 years of trash has been dumped on Natalee. Joran may be throwing everyone off of where she is buried. When he said if they find her body I am in deep trouble, he must still think there is DNA evidence on her. What would be left of Natalee in the ocean either thrown overboard or in a crab cage at this time? I would imagine just bone. If Natalee is not in the dump, could she be buried in another grave at the cemetary, under another grave? Has a geologist been sent to check to see if soil has been disturbed? Does PVD have any family buried at a cemetary, or Lorenzo that they could have disturbed a family grave? I just think that Natalee’s body has to be somewhat in tact, with Joran worrying if his sperm can be DNA matched. IMO.
JB
For those who insist Aruba is no worse than anyplace else, and it’s unfair to punish a country for one disappearance, it’s not just Natalee, although what happened to her is enough. There is also the case of Max Devries, the young boy who disappeared a few years ago while on a jet ski with a man who had befriended his family in their hotel. The ALE immediately declared it was an accidental drowning, although there were many indications that Max was the victim of a crime perpetrated by this man he was with. Then, when people started to question his disappearance, the hotel industry started a rumour that Max’s disappearance was part of an insurance scam by Max’s family, which is a despicable lie, and very similar to the lies spread about Natalee after her disappearance. Aruba refuses to acknowledge crime against tourists, so if you go there and become the victim of a crime, don’t expect any help, and don’t expect anyone to be punished, except your family.
By the way, Lorenzo is 25. Joran would have known him since 3 years old. Did the police question him about the disappearance of Natalee? I think 25 is a real age of the person that helped dispose of Natalee. Koen and Sander are 20 and 18. I can’t imagine they could muster up the disposal without evidence on their own in that short of time. They were 17 and 15 during the disposal. It would have taken a more mature person who would know the law…like Paulus. Paulus would need help from someone HE could trust, like his son, Lorenzo. Its all in the family!
Doris are chirping frogs in Aruba. Where do they chirp loudly at during the night? Could this be a Daury clue? Sorry, I am trying to think like a criminal. Could doris be around drain pipes? How do we know the correct spelling of daury? Did Joran spell it out during the interview?
#88 … If you think the boycott is so absurd, give us one alternative proposal for real action.
Anything.
Can you? Nope.
Aruba has broken the social contract of tourism, which implies swift and vigilant action to promote tourists in a foreign country.
What we HAVE seen, for nearly three years, is delay, lies, evasion, half-truths advanced and then revoked, incompetence, and threats to the family of the suspect.
Aruban people are going to suffer? Well, American people HAVE suffered for nearly three years. Even now, the task that the Dutch and Arubans SHOULD HAVE DONE … the search for Natalee off the waters … is being undertaken by American volunteers, funded by American money,
moved by American compassion and decency.
Meanwhile, the Aruban people profiteer.
No more. Never again.
MBS (#95) … It only struck me now, the irony of the recurrence of the name “deVries.”
Anyway, what we will NOT do is sit back and leave the case in the hands of Aruba. Beth and Dave trusted them in the beginning … and kept silent … and look at the results.
(This is covered in their respective books.)
Wow…I didn’t catch the connection with the Devries name either.
The fact that both Max and Peter have the DeVries last name is just a coincidence, so far as I know.
MBS, I figured such. Max Devries dad died just prior to the vacation Max took with his mom and sister to Aruba. None of the Max Devries stories mention Peter’s name either. At least not the ones I read.
The Max story is awful too. Rather than investigate, they blame the family with some awful story…like a life insurance scam.
I don’t buy Max drowning and being swept out to sea crap. Had that happened, chances are likely that he would have washed to shore. I truly think Max was trafficked like Amy Bradley.
What a bunch of sickos down there. I wouldn’t go there now if the they paid my way and gave me $1000 a day spending money.
De Vries is a very common last name
like Smit
At first I thought maybe the man with Max on the jet skis tried to molest him, then drowned him to keep him quiet, but after learning more about the case, I fear the possibility that he was taken. The man was staying at the same hotel as the DeVries, with his grown “adopted son”, but I understand there were some discrepancies in their stories, and I wonder if they weren’t just 2 criminals working together. The “adopted son” could have met them somewhere, and taken Max, while the “father” stayed in the water with the jet skis and pretended Max had drifted away. Much easier for the ALE to buy the drowning story, than to admit there could be a crime against a tourist. Then start rumours about an insurance scam if anyone ever questioned it. When you look at Max’s case with Natalee’s, you begin to see a pattern, and it doesn’t look good for Aruba.