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15 Responses to “Scared Monkeys Radio Daily Commentary – Friday, January 25, 2008 – “Aruba Makes You Want To Puke””
“PUKE, COULDN’T BE MORE RIGHT!!!!!
Our gov’t needs to step up to the plate…this has gone way too far…provoke passports…protect Americans!!!!! We don’t go to Cuba, we don’t go to Aruba…same difference!!!!!
Rudy Croes…no one goes and stays in Colombia for good reasons…!!!
I suppose what worries me most is to read that Aruba divers are involved in the search process with Persistence. We know what Aruba does with evidence.
I’m beginning to agree with those that contend our government should step in. Just how far should our Government let a country go in slandering our citizens before it steps in and says “enough”. And since we can’t tell another country what they can and can’t say, at least there should be a warning against aruba and the way it treats Americans.
Hopefully these dives are monitored and if they have any sense (as I’m sure they do) they would send them in at least pairs and make sure no Aruban divers went alone…I hope I am not wishful thinking.
I wonder how much longer the Persistence can afford to be out there? Their reports are very poetic and sincere. Whatever the results they sure are owed a huge vote of thanks for all they have and are doing.
GOD BLESS PERSISTENCE
and JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
PS Thanks for some of the very good articles on your forum…love the kitty..have 2 of my own.
dana, your comments this morning are right on target. wait till we see what’s coming next on rene gielen’s commercial, i mean “documentary”. i think she and julia may be going for the flying saucer theory, and that j2k were actually in church at an all night prayer service when natalee disappeared. this theory, of course, will be vouched for by tons of “credible witnesses” with perfect recall furnished by julia
This agenda to suggest Beth came earlier to the island thatn 23:00 is supposed to suggest what?
That Beth is hiding that she was aware Natalee had wanted to never go home again?
I don’t get it….but the day is young…..
This agenda that Natalee ran away, you all do realize, is the one Joran pushed from the start. He spoke about Natalee saying her mom was Hitler’s sister as if that meant Natalee didn’t like Beth’s treatment of her. He spoke about how Natalee didn’t want to return to Alabama. He has suggested that perhaps she just ran off. In fact, it was the mindset of ALE as well that Natalee was missing of her own accord either still partying – and would show up- or had issues at home and thus wanted to run away.
If Julia was the one who made those posters that indicated Natalee was a runaway, then we have to realize Julia too was pressing the runaway issue from day one. Why? Why would an entire island pay any attention to posters that were entirely a message to Natalee?
Then we have Anita! Who told porn stories to Beth about Natalee as if to say “Your daughter had so much fun having sex! Isn’t it great that even though she’s missing she had so much fun?” This was supposed to do what for a mother of a missing daughter? Provide some sort of perverted comfort?
I believe Anita said those things to jab Beth. In keeping with that notion, deflowering of a virgin might be something Anita would find value with, as if to say “poor girl, already 18 and never had sex? How awful!” And this would, in turn, suggest Anita may have had prior information about Natalee’s celabate life AND that Anita thought it was forced on Natalee by her parents…not something Natalee wanted to refrain from….so she’s like saying to Beth, See how wrong you were to deny your daughter having sex…which translates to, again, belief that Natalee was not happy with how she was being raised and the demands placed on her by her family. Keep in mind, I am not embracing that Natalee was not happy at home. I am saying only that she could have been seen as a good target for kidnapping for human trafficking because she was seen as a troubled teen by those who were doing the selecting.
So what I’m wondering this morning is something I have wondered for a while….was there internet communications with Natalee before she went to Aruba? Did she complain about what I consider to be normal teenager complaints, especially 18 year olds’ complaints? And did this chatter let someone know Natalee was ripe for picking…kidnapping for human trafficking?
I do think all those who talk about how awful Natalee’s family is/was to her etc are of a mind to believe Natalee was a troubled teen, and this could indicate she was selected on purpose …think Dr Hodges’ Thought Prints! They are telling on themselves when they attack Natalee’s family! They are justifying perhaps that they did well in finding the right girl to lure away!
Aruban divers? Someone better be with them each dive. If an Aruban diver finds Natalee, they will never tell. They would just say their dive search came up with nothing. Why in the heck would you allow an Aruban diver to be involved? We all know all the officials associated with the investigation are liars. Not to mention the fact if one of these Aruban divers finds Natalee…and indicates such…he / she is dead and they know that. Guarantee they have been threatened.
Where is everyone hearing about involvement in the search by Aruban divers? I agree that there has to be some involvement secondarily to the primary searchers on Persistence. These divers should only accompany Persistence AMERICAN divers!
i remember that some organization, probably f.b.i., studied natalee’s computer. as well as phone records for everyone in the family.. if there had been any discrepancies or anything out of the way, aruba would have had billboards advertising the facts by now. mos plainly states that all these “new” allegations the psychotic psychics and briesen/croes are feeding to gielen for her commercial/documentary have been totally discredited by a.l.e, klpd, and f.b.i. when all the lies and totally improbable or impossible theories and tips are eliminated he still comes back to the evidence he does have on j2k.
As other posters have made clear, there is less than no reason to think that Natalee was a “troubled” teen. Just look at her grades, her extracurricular activities, her part-time job….
Compare all that with scumbag Joran and crew.
However, I do think it possible, and perhaps even likely, that the Mountain Brook kids did some Internet research on Aruba before they went. And perhaps corresponded with someone?
My guess on human trafficking is that, IF it happened (and we still have no sign of Natalee on land or sea), it was a way of getting someone inconvenient off the island, maybe obliging some drug lord or other contact of the Pimps and/or PvdS, maybe even making some money.
Or, perhaps, out of sheer sadism.
Or, perhaps, at the instigation of some Aruban girls, high on drugs.
Lots of possible theories. No way yet to know, one way or another.
By the way … more good news for us, and bad news for Aruba. Valero has shut its refinery on the island; a fire broke out due to unknown causes.
Valero Energy Corp. officials experienced a fire Friday in the company’s Aruba refinery in the Caribbean. As a result, the entire refinery has been shut down.
The fire began in a vacuum tower of the refinery at around 9:45 a.m. Central time and firefighters in Aruba extinguished the fire at 11:15 a.m. One Valero employee was treated for heat exhaustion, but no injuries were reported. All non-essential personnel have been sent home. The refinery employs 775 individuals.
As of Friday afternoon, Valero workers have only begun assessing the impact of this incident. The cause of the fire remains under investigation.
Valero spokesman Bill Day says it is too early to give a timetable as to how long the refinery units will remain down. The 275,000 barrel-per-day refinery has the ability of running independently of the vacuum tower.
San Antonio-based Valero (NYSE: VLO) is an oil refining and marketing company with operations in the United States, Canada and the Caribbean.
Yet another story … in THIS country, a mother and daughter have been convicted of importing teen girls for human trafficking and prostitution.
We know that Latin American girls have been brought into Aruba. We also know that officials of the Aruban government, via the Dutch embassies, have given out visas for “exotic dancers” and similar enterprises that did not comply with standards.
In other words, at least some officials are in the sleaziest of businesses.
Is it possible that, faced with the inconvenience of Natalee’s waking up earlier than planned from the date-rape drug, perhaps while she was being assaulted, filmed, or both … that some of the Pimps, or perhaps PvdS, decided to send her “the other way,” and ingratiate themselves with the mob and/or make money at the same time?
Most people don’t think so. They’ve been told that it’s such a simple case, and that Joran and his crew have indeed pulled it all off.
Maybe so; maybe not.
Two women accused of forcing other women into prostitution were sentenced this week.
Isabel Consuelo Ochoa and her daughter, Consuelo Pilar Ochoa, pled guilty to bringing teens from Nuevo Laredo to work as prostitutes in the San Antonio area.
According to News Radio 1200 WOAI, Isabel Ochoa, was released with time served, and was placed on probation. Her daughter, Consuelo Ochoa, received a year and a half sentence, plus another three years for drug possession.
Both women were arrested back in May of 2007. According to a statement released by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) back in June, the women allegedly enticed young girls with promises that they would work as escorts, but would not be required to have sex. Two of the three known victims were illegal immigrants who were smuggled into the U.S. The victims were 15, 17, and 22 years of age.
News Radio 1200 WOAI reports that the man believed to have masterminded the the plot, Timothy Gereb, will be back in court next week. Gereb’s trial is set for later this year.
Golly gee whiz, here’s yet ANOTHER story on trafficking … this one in America.
What does it say here: “This case shows that human trafficking can occur anytime, anywhere, and against any vulnerable victim, INCLUDING U.S. CITIZENS AND COLLEGE STUDENTS” (emphasis mine).
Who woulda thunk it, as they say.
Jossy Mansur says it couldn’t have happened to Natalee. Why not? Because he’s never heard of it happening on Aruba.
Had you heard of it happening in Georgia?
Guess it did … of course, nobody wants to challenge the assumptions in Natalee’s case.
So maybe there’s another reason that, after two and a half years, no trace of Natalee has been found on or around Aruba.
It’s impossible to think that maybe the reason is … that she was taken from Aruba.
Thu Jan 24, 7:15 PM ET
To: POLITICAL EDITORS
Contact: U.S. Department of Justice Office of Public Affairs, CRT, +1-202-514-2007, TDD, +1-202-514-1888
WASHINGTON, Jan. 24 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ — Grace Chung Becker, Acting Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights; David E. Nahmias, U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of Georgia; Gregory Jones, FBI Special Agent in Charge; and Richard Pennington, Chief, Atlanta Police Department (APD), today announced that Jimmie Lee Jones, also known as Mike Spade, 32, of Stone Mountain, Ga., was sentenced to serve 15 years on federal charges of conspiring to engage in sex trafficking and transporting young women across state lines for purposes of prostitution.
Jimmie Jones 15-year prison sentence will be followed by three years of supervised release. Jones was also ordered to pay restitution in the amount of $60,600 to six victims.
This case shows that human trafficking can occur anytime, anywhere, and against any vulnerable victim, including U.S. citizens and college students, said Grace Chung Becker, Acting Assistant Attorney General for the Justice Departments Civil Rights Division. The Department of Justice is committed to rescuing victims of human trafficking and ensuring that those who commit these crimes are brought to justice.
Defendant Jones sentence sends a clear message that those who traffic in people will be harshly punished, said U.S. Attorney David E. Nahmias. Defendant Jones preyed on numerous young American women who fell for his fraudulent modeling scheme, signed contracts in which they owed the defendant money, then were forced and coerced into prostitution to pay back the contracts. The case broke when two victims were brave enough to come forward and report Jones crimes to APD, whose human trafficking task force worked closely with the FBI in bringing justice to the victims.
According to court documents, from 2000-2005, Jones conspired to force six victims, identified only by initials, to engage in commercial sex acts through force, fraud and coercion. Additionally, Jones caused two juvenile victims to engage in commercial sex acts, knowing that the victims had not reached the age of 18 years. Jones lured and recruited the minor and adult victims into prostitution with promises of legitimate modeling or exotic dancing work and used physical violence, threats of violence, deception, and other forms of coercion to compel the victims to work as prostitutes. Jones pled guilty just after his trial began in August 2007.
Numerous victims were on hand for the sentencing and testified that Jones caused them to engage in sex acts, including oral sex and vaginal intercourse, with himself and others, by striking them and threatening to beat them. One victim submitted her statement to the court, outlining the abuse she suffered at the hands of Jones and stating that Jones was a cruel and manipulative man whose life revolved around the sexual, emotional, physical and psychological exploitation of young women. She stated that her life was devastated and that she even considered suicide on more than one occasion to escape Jones brutality.
Human trafficking prosecutions such as this one are a top priority of the Department of Justice. In the last seven fiscal years, the Civil Rights Division, in conjunction with the U.S. Attorneys Offices, has increased by nearly seven-fold the number of human trafficking cases filed in court as compared to the previous seven fiscal years. In FY 2007, the Department obtained a record number of convictions in human trafficking prosecutions.
The case was investigated by special agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation and officers of the Atlanta Police Department, Human Trafficking Task Force. The case was prosecuted by Civil Rights Division Trial Attorney Karima Maloney and Assistant U.S. Attorney Susan Coppedge.
SOURCE U.S. Department of Justice
From the above: “Jones was a cruel and manipulative man whose life revolved around the sexual, emotional, physical and psychological exploitation of young women.”
Sounds like a pimp to me.
You know, PIMP. As in “the PIMPS,” the name that Joran and his gang adopted. Isn’t it interesting that once Joran was arrested, his father (dedicated lawyer that he is) took his Web site off the Internet.
Of course, that was ONLY because it might not have been good for Joran’s image. Boyish fun, and all that. You know.
Of course. There couldn’t be anything darker.
So teen girls in the U.S. were intimidated and, according to the story, forced into working as prostitutes, because they owed Jones money.
Does anyone reading this doubt that if they had gone to the police, they would have been told that such actions are illegal? Yet through duress, and fear, they were forced to comply with these demands.
Now suppose that someone in another country has been drugged, sexually assaulted, and is dependent for her life on her captors. No chance in Hell that she’ll be allowed to go to the police, except for those who are on the take.
And if she’s isolated, threatened, perhaps beaten, perhaps starved and drugged … what then?
What kinds of mind control could be employed?
Just ask the family of Amy Bradley.
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