Natalee Holloway Investigation: Aruban Judge Orders Kalpoe Brothers to be Released

 

2 Suspects to Be Freed in Holloway Case

The judge reasoned Friday that “the new evidence, together with the existing evidence in this case, produce serious grounds for the suspicion of some kind of aiding and abetting, of covering up the traces of a crime committed or of the disposing of a corpse,” prosecutors said.

But people accused of those crimes do not qualify for pretrial detention under Aruban law, Mos told reporters. He noted that on Monday, the same judge approved van der Sloot’s continuing detention based on the same evidence.

“Apparently, the judge sees a difference between the third suspect and these two suspects,” Mos said, since the judge concluded the evidence against the Kalpoes was not strong enough to warrant their continued detention. (CNN)

Greta Aruba Kalpoe Bros released NATALEE HOLLOWAY

The sick game continues on the island of Aruba. Who knew that Aruba was a catch Aruba_Judgean release fishing hole? The Kalpoe brothers have once again been ordered released from jail by the judge presiding over the case of missing teen, Natalee Holloway .

ORANJESTAD, Aruba – A judge on Friday ordered the release of two brothers suspected in the disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway, ruling that the evidence wasn’t strong enough to continue holding them, a prosecutor said. 
 
Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, who were re-arrested in the case for a third time last week, were to be released from jail by Saturday.

Kalpoe Brothers to be freed in Natalee Holloway case

    
ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CNN) — Two of the suspects being held in connection with Natalee Holloway’s presumed death will be released from custody by Saturday.

Satish Kalpoe is one of two brothers rearrested in the case in Aruba.

 1 of 3  Prosecutors wanted Deepak and Satish Kalpoe held in Aruba for another eight days, but a judge rejected their request Friday.

The decision was “a bit of a setback,” said Hans Mos, Aruba’s chief public prosecutor. But it does not change his plan to decide by the end of the year whether to prosecute anyone in the Holloway case.

“We had hoped for a longer period to confront these suspects with the material we have against them, but this is the way the law says it must go,” Mos said



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    74 Responses to “Natalee Holloway Investigation: Aruban Judge Orders Kalpoe Brothers to be Released”

    1. Carpe Noctem on November 30th, 2007 9:54 pm

      This is insane! If Aruba cannot agree on anything
      whilst speaking four different languages. They are
      SO PROUD HOW THEY CAN SPEAK DIFFERENT LANGUAGES
      DOWN THERE, AND NEVER FAIL TO MAKE THE POINT KNOWN.

      How does anything EVER GET ACCOMPLISHED?

      If they cannot defeat 3 sloppy teen juveniles
      directed in the crime of murder with direction by a flunky, psychotic ex-judge father (Van der sloot)…

      HOW COULD THEY EVER DEFEAT ANY TYPE OF CRIME?

      On anyone,

      of any nationality?

      These people are sick and demented, and they need
      to be dealt with, perhaps on a level that they may be able to understand. -j4n

    2. Patti on November 30th, 2007 9:55 pm

      Before you get up in arms over this and consider this to be a travesty of justice, remember that these two men have alot of knowledge about what REALLY happened to Natalee; and that, perhaps, their part in all of this is to provide the evidence needed to prosecute Joran, along with the people that were responsible for the cover-up.

      There are many people on Aruba that knew where she was and that could have saved her and didn’t. Instead, they sat around swimming pools acting like the elite, while they gave instructions to de-rail the investigation and to prevent anyone from finding out what they had in store for Natalee.

      For a whole week, more than a week; they used every trick in the book including letting people think that they were guilty of things that never happened, using them to do things that they would not have done on their own.

      If the Shivas are to sing, let them sing loud and clear the truth about Aruba and it’s corrupt officials; but, more than that, let them sing the truth about Natalee so it can be heard all the way to the heavens.

      Justice for Natalee

    3. Elizabeth Saxxon on November 30th, 2007 10:27 pm

      Here we go again on the Aruban merry go round. Oh, poor Beth, how tormenting.

    4. Patti on November 30th, 2007 10:50 pm

      Atleast, we know that the manner of death for which the prosecutor is seeking charges is not a drug overdose. Pray with all your heart for justice, for the real death of Natalee, not some lie that is made up about her and her morality by a psychopath and a group of sick, demented government officials.

      We know what happened to Natalee and, no matter what the outcome, Aruba will ALWAYS be held responsible.

      Carried over from prior thread (editted):
      _______________________________
      Richard:

      I saw on another thread that you said this case had nothing to do with human trafficking. But, it does. Think about all the other boys and girls that were sacrificed in this manner. This was not an isolated incident. It happens all the time. Once a month, according to the Arawak calandar… every month, for every tribe of every Nation. How many tribes do you think Aruba has? There were other people, women and children being sacrificed that night. What about Venezuela? They are Arawak, also. How many boys and girls do you think are abducted from their families to be offered up as a sacrifice for a corrupt Nation like Venezuela who’s sins reach the heavens?

      In July, Aruba celebrates St. Johns Day which is when they burn a sacrifice in atonement of their sins. The nights sky is full of smoke, so much so that it can be a hazard to drive… and they call us silly when we mention the Indian Nation while, if we look it up, Aruba was named by the Arawak. Don’t be too quick to assume that because Natalee was not trafficked off the island, this case doesn’t have anything to do with trafficking, because it does.

      Where was Anita when Natalee went missing and why? How many girls do you think she may have bought in The Netherlands, or hired as a nanny, only to have them fall into the same trap as Natalee? The people of Aruba swear up and down that they don’t have any missing girls… so where are these “lambs” coming from?

      God Bless Natalee.

      As far as her underware and all that talk about what happened in the car. Hog wash is all it is. The color of her underware? Who cares. She didn’t die in her underware, she died in a loin cloth; dressed in THEIR attire, not her own.

      Don’t wallow in the lies of the untruthful one. He, himself, has said that he is incapable of telling the truth. He and his father would love for us to get stuck in the ditch trying to sort out a lie based on Joran’s sexual fantasy. Let’s come to realize that this was a spiritual rape, not a sexual one.

      Natalee died, being tortured by a bunch of wild Indians that wanted to test her faith in God, in goodness and in everything that she knows to be right. How sad that one who wanted to do good in a world full of wickedness should die at the hands of heathens, practicers of magic and a blood-thirsty priest blessing himself and his Nation with her blood, her heart and the life of one that didn’t even know their ways… innocent of their practices of spiritism. For THAT Aruba must fall. For the lives of the innocent, the many, many, many innocent ones. There are no demons strong enough to stop the wrath of God and there are no spirits strong enough to deter the inevitable.

      Bad for tourism?

      As if they even belong in the
      same world as the rest of us!

      IMO

      Boycott Aruba…
      Your life does count on it!

    5. brie on November 30th, 2007 11:25 pm

      Hans turn the case over to the USA..we’ll find the justice that needs to be served….

    6. Wavering on November 30th, 2007 11:48 pm

      Hey Guys, I genuinely admire your tenacity and this case should have been solved years ago, but I wonder if our condemnation is misguided. Shouldn’t we be blaming the entire investigation instead of these three idiots?

      Our knowledge of this case is based completely on second hand information comprised of what the investigation has failed to convict upon.

      We want someone to be guilty and to pay for this, and yet these three children have either outsmarted the Aruban police for nearly three years, or they in fact don’t know the full details of Natalee’s disappearance.

      I mean it’s still possible that some deranged loser found Natalee alone on the beach after the coward Joran had left her. If all of the searches, the arrests, the taped conversations etc. on J2K have failed to convict them, it seems that those three might not have played the part we all believe they did.

      I hope they find something on Joran, but if they release him, we need to stop blaming these three nobodies and understand that the true fault lies with the Aruban crime investigation system.

      Also to SM – Natalee’s last name in the article heading is mispelled, please correct. Thanks Much.
      ___________________
      SM: In my opinion and in the opinion of the prosecutor, they have the right suspects. So to answer your question, NO. These 3 children? The only one of the 3 that was not an adult at the time was Joran. Joran is by admission a habitual liar and I would call him a sociopathic liar.(klaasend)

    7. Wavering on December 1st, 2007 12:09 am

      Hey Klaasend – I’m not defending those three at all, but am just saying that if this justice system fails to find anyone (either those three or anyone else) responsible for this crime then they’re incompetent and obviously can’t be trusted to protect the rights of any tourists. If that’s the case, they are the one’s who are most deserving of our condemnation.

    8. Carpe Noctem on December 1st, 2007 12:14 am

      “I mean it’s still possible that some deranged loser found Natalee alone on the beach after the coward Joran had left her. If all of the searches, the arrests, the taped conversations etc. on J2K have failed to convict them, it seems that those three might not have played the part we all believe they did.”

      Yeah right, puh-leeze!

      “C’mon Dave, Give Us A Break…”

      Unchained
      -Van Halen

    9. Patti on December 1st, 2007 12:26 am

      There will never be justice in Aruba, atleast not to our liking. I re-read the article and am sick that the Aruban prosecutor didn’t have his stuff together enough to realize that a suspect can’t be held under these charges. So don’t be surprised that another of the suspects, the Devil, himself, gets released soon.

      Aruba, The Netherlands; are no more than two peas in a pod. How many children are raped and murdered in The Netherlands each year? How many women come up missing, sold at their meat market every year? But, more importantly, how many people are trafficked across their borders into neighboring countries to be sold as sex slaves, prostitutes and mail-order brides, never to be seen again?

      How is it that we look to The Netherlands to appease our thirst for justice? Is she capable of slapping the hand of another, while her own hand has blood on it? Research the crimes against children that happen in The Netherlands. See the BABIES, less than one year old that are used in porn films, their poor, limp, drugged bodies the victims of sodomy. Review the laws, in The Netherlands, that do little, if anything, to deter the ones that commit such crimes and then ask yourself… Why should Queen Bea give a rats ass about what happens in Aruba? Afterall, isn’t it The Netherlands that have allowed these Arawaks to breed on an island where their spiritism has been practiced for hundreds of years? Aruba, the man-eating monster of an island and The Netherlands, the Nation that supplies it’s food. Death to them both…

      No wonder Shango calls her Babylon,

      the harlot,

      drunk in the blood of the lamb.

      .

      Queen Bea:

      You are a disgrace to all of mankind! Remain in the arms of your son and share with him the wrath of his sins. You have done nothing… Your investigation is a joke and your justice is a crooked hall that no sane man would enter. Afterall, for you it could be said:

      Mirror, Mirror on the wall

      Who is most Corrupt of them all?

      For it is you, my heinous, Queen Bea.

      .

      Boycott!

    10. buster on December 1st, 2007 1:06 am

      aruba sucks worse than any thing that ever sucked before

    11. Patti on December 1st, 2007 1:07 am

      Last comment for me:

      If I were Dave and Beth, I wouldn’t even show up for the meeting with the prosecutor. Talk is cheap. Besides, it will take more than an old broken down attempt for a prosecution to mend the ties that have been broken. They’ve been here before and to be placed into a room and be given the bad news is nothing new to this couple. I wouldn’t even bless them with my presense. Maybe send them a note…

      Sorry, too busy to listen to your lies.

      We must continue doing your job of searching

      for our daughter and praying for a sense of

      justice that you and your courts are incapable

      of providing. Besides, we have an expanding

      boycott to look after.

      .

      Yep… Actions speak louder than words.

    12. Gunslinger on December 1st, 2007 2:10 am

      Carpe…

      One break… Coming up!~

    13. Allan K on December 1st, 2007 2:25 am

      Typical Aruba justice. They really accomplished a lot this time. They didn’t fool me this time but I hoped for better. Nothing good comes from Aruba. Not one item in 2 1/2 years. Some places some people just like that, no good will ever come out of it.
      Damn them and their persistence to torture the parents.

    14. More than disgusted on December 1st, 2007 3:50 am

      Patti, would you please shut the fudge up.you’re getting on everyone’s last nerve with your canibalism/virgin sacrafice b.s. There, with that said, this news is so very, very sad. After K2 are released J.’s is sure to follow.
      What P.O.S. the Dutch are that 2 1/2 years after Natalee Ann Holloway is raped and murdered by the 3 last people she was seen with, the courts once agaqin release the bros. ALE was slicker than we thought in covering up the evidence, Money does talk on the corrupt island of ARUBA. We’ve been played like a deck of stacked cards. There WILL be justice for Natalee and Beth and Dave. You can count on that.
      DON’T drink the kool-aid and let Aruba and the Netherlands tell you “everything” was done to try to solve the case….spread the word, shame on us if ARUBA’s tourism $$ recovers.

    15. resolution on December 1st, 2007 8:30 am

      I disagree….the meeting should take place between the prosecutor & Beth & Dave. Beth even said that she has some much needed answers and they both can offer information….information that Hans will not be getting from anyone else covering up this mockery. Dave & Beth are slick now. I happen to believe the meeting is imperative.

    16. Donna on December 1st, 2007 8:52 am

      If this is how the court system is going to work again, we are no further ahead than two years ago. There must be somebody who can make those boys talk, be it police, prosecutors, or whoever…….. make them an offer they cannot refuse…… make them tell what they know.

    17. EURobert on December 1st, 2007 9:59 am

      Prosecution will appeal against order to release the Kalpoes.

      http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/2664719/OM_in_beroep_tegen_vrijlating_broers_Holloway-zaak.html?p=20,1

      No further new info in the article

    18. Kayleigh on December 1st, 2007 10:00 am

      Maybe they were released because there’s a possibility they really have nothing to do with it?

      Must say I’m intrgigued with this case – probably because of all the online ‘FBI agents’ with a laptop, too much time on their hands, who most likely never in their life have set foot outside US soil in the first place – but who all know presecisely what happened during the final moments of Natalee’s life, like they were really at the time.

      I thought even in the US people were innocent until proven guilty? Wrong huh? I guess we should’ve known when watching how they treat people in Iraq, Guantanamo bay etc etc. Have to sayh I’m curious how many unresolved murders there are in the US and why no one here seems to give the slightest thought to that. So hypocritical.
      _________
      SM: Please do not be that naive. You are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law … this is the internet.

      Innocent people do not have to lie now do they? You defend criminals buy attacking people who care. You are so transparent and obvious. Yeah, I am sure you believe OJ is innocent too?

      Let’s see the last people ever seen with Natalee, they lied about where they were with her and leaving her at the Holiday Inn. She was never seen again, nor heard from. There are 40 cases I could quote in the USA that all had this same MO and all the suspects last seen with the victim were guilty.

      So what’s different? Corruption!

      There is no such thing as a perfect crime, especially by teens. However, when aided in a cover up by adults … thats a different story.

      Shame on you Aruba!
      R

    19. LO on December 1st, 2007 10:03 am

      With Louis Schaffer and team searching for her
      I trust, if they find her, that this operations
      has been instructed by the Holloways to bring
      her directly HOME to have a proper burial she
      so deserves, OMITTING Aruba all together once and for all…..
      They have had 2.5 years to get to the
      bottom of all this and still NO ANSWERS or TRUTHS or ARRESTS. They have conveniently LOST
      or DESTROYED all EVIDENCE – for a reason.
      Lets NOT TRUST them with anything else…..

    20. kayjay on December 1st, 2007 10:09 am

      I wonder who bribed this judge…imo these punks are as guilty as hell. The guy who posted something like “the judge is Tom the bartender from Carlos and Charlies and he says everything’s cool” had it about right. From now on I am not buying any more Dutch products sold in our stores and I suggest everyone join me. If I had the money I’d take out a full page ad in the NYTimes, the LA Times and every newspaper I could telling people to Boycott the damn island. I do believe not enough people pay attention to the news and more people need to join in.

    21. brie on December 1st, 2007 11:40 am

      Shame on Aruba is right.

      I’m sure Beth and Dave will have alot of information to enlighten the prosecutor. Also, they have questions that need to be answered from 2.5 years ago.

      This whole thing really stinks to high heaven. Straaten had no business giving documents to Paulus in the first place. And what about the document Beth saw torn up on the desk at the police station. Hans knows this was a cover-up, now try to unravel it all.

      The prosecution had better appeal the decision. And get rid of that effin’ judge. Bring someone in that is not a friend of Paulus.

    22. katablog on December 1st, 2007 11:51 am

      #20:I wonder who bribed this judge…

      3 guesses, the first two don’t count.

      Hint: first name begins with “P”

    23. nurturer on December 1st, 2007 11:53 am

      This all seems very familiar.

      Will Joran be on a flight back to the Netherlands soon?

    24. nurturer on December 1st, 2007 12:00 pm

      #14 – You crack me up. And ‘Thank You’.

    25. brie on December 1st, 2007 1:28 pm

      Arrest the judge, he shot Hans in the foot. This was a complete turnaround and makes no sense.

    26. KrisG on December 1st, 2007 1:38 pm

      I’m with Red. Time for bumper stickers that read “SHAME ON YOU ARUBA!”

    27. JusticeforNatalee on December 1st, 2007 1:40 pm

      Sample comment from Gretawire in reponse to release:

      “Dear Aruba-
      I was never a fan of the “Ban Aruba” campaign. I have now switched sides. Thanks, Aruba. I will never visit you, ever.”

    28. JusticeforNatalee on December 1st, 2007 1:41 pm

      typo correction #26 “response”

    29. JusticeforNatalee on December 1st, 2007 1:45 pm

      EURobert–thanks for all your updates–very much appreciated!

    30. elisabeth on December 1st, 2007 2:06 pm

      May be things are not as bad as you all think. Custody was asked for in order to be able to work on the new evidence without interference of the suspects. It is not a part of the sentence. Stopping custody does not predict that this will not go to court

    31. Richard on December 1st, 2007 2:06 pm

      Patti, to reply to your statement … I have never abandoned my hypothesis that Natalee was the victim of human trafficking, or, alternately, that they planned to dispose of her that way and later decided that it was too risky, given the prominence that the case acquired.

      What I did say is that on the strength of what was being called “new evidence,” and the statements that the prosecutor was making … it seemed likely that they actually had solid info.

      Not having seen it, I can’t say.

      Likewise, I don’t know what they had on the Kalpoes (the PROSECUTION evidently thought it had something solid) or on Joran himself.

      Is it all a charade? Is it all a Hail Mary play to keep the case active while the water search is carried out? Do the Dutch fear the American reaction if the case is dismissed … and then a body is found?

      Maybe someone knows … I certainly don’t.

      But the fly in the ointment seems to be the judge here … it’s been said that it’s the same old Ric Smit who ordered Joran held and then reversed his decision once he’d fled Aruba.

      We’ll see what happens on Tuesday, when Joran comes up for another 60 days in jail, and what happens to the appeal on the Kalpoes.

      What I find inconceivable is that, according to this judge, there’s evidence to show that the Kalpoes were indeed complicit in a crime against Natalee … and yet, according to Aruban law (whatever the Hell THAT is), they can’t be held pre-trial for it.

      So here we have foreign nationals in Aruba who presumably are a high risk for flight. If you can’t hold them … then who CAN you hold?

      Whatever happens on Aruba … let’s wait for Tuesday, and then get our computers warmed up.
      If Joran gets off, once again, we can, should, and MUST write to the sorry bunch of presidential aspirants and the others who are supposed to be looking after American citizens here and abroad.

      No justice for Natalee? No tourists for Aruba.

      P.S. … I haven’t yet abandoned my idea that Natalee was a victim of human trafficking.

    32. Mike on December 1st, 2007 2:11 pm

      Let’s see…. what evidence they supposedly have says the Kalpoes helped dispose of the body? I do not think I would help dispose of a dead body if I did not know what happened or who killed the person I was disposing of………..and yet they cannot get any info from 2 kids? The Kalpoes are going to take a chance and do three years and not say a word? Of course they do not think they will ever be prosecuted. Neither do I.

    33. Maggie on December 1st, 2007 2:20 pm

      Kayleigh what name did you use yesterday?

      Most people haven’t been to Sudan either, but are outraged some are calling for a woman to be executed for naming a teddy bear Muhammad. What about the Saudi Arabian woman sentenced to 200 lashes for being gang raped or people being executed for being gay. Better yet examine why people would blame a victim of a crime for what happened to her instead of the criminals who commit the crimes. Noone needs to be in Aruba or anywhere else to see when an injustice is done. To compare a country with less than 100,000 to a country of 300,000,000 is ridiculous.

      If you can assume people here have tooo much time on their hands are FBI agents with a laptop, I can assume you are an ass with too much time on your hands or some connection to the suspects or tourism hiding under another nic who is as dishonest as who they defend. Have your bf or husband take you to Venezuela tonight and let you sit alone on the beach at 3am and look at stars. Hope that space ship don’t show up that got Natalee.

    34. Mike on December 1st, 2007 2:28 pm

      Does this mean that there was really no phone taps and this was really a bluff that got called? Is this a way to finally close the case? Does this mean that the water search is not really going to happen or that the info it is based on is totally crap? I would like to have enough faith in mankind to think they actually have something concrete. If all of this is BS and they put the family through all of this again plus the time and effort on a water search when all the while they are sitting back and laughing……….I can only say that ANY American that goes to Aruba deserves anything that might happen to them and I will not care that it does. I also do not give a crap about any of the so called GOOD Arubans. I do not consider any group GOOD that can sit by and watch this happen. SOMEBODY over there knows what happened. If you stand by and watch you are no better than the people committing the act. What else can you expect when a girl is raped by Jurine but does not press charges because she still LOVES him? I am sure her parents are REAL PROUD of her.
      ___________________
      SM: Yes there were wiretaps AND bugs placed in the suspects homes. YES there is new evidence. YES the ocean search is still going on, they are on their way right now. (klaasend)

    35. Sharon Chicago on December 1st, 2007 2:28 pm

      Hans was dissappointed on the 2Ks release, because he had planned on a long period of time to interrogate the Kalpoes…but…yet…the Kalpoes sat in jail for five to six or seven days without continually being interrogated, which sent the message to me that Hans had nothing more to interogate/question them for or felt like there was no need….

      I hope that Joran is not released by next week.
      This case makes me sick…where the guilty can lie and they are not even challenged in their lies by the ALE…

    36. Maggie on December 1st, 2007 2:36 pm

      I still like this prosecutor so far. Even meeting with Beth and JQK.

      This case smells of corruption from the beginning. Strong suspicions Kalpoes got rid of evidence and hid a body, so who was the body if it wasn’t Natalee? Why would you hide a body unless you were guilty of something to do with the body? The whole reason they were all meeting at the Sloots was so Paulus could attend and coach them imo. Couldn’t do that through the internet or phone calls being tapped.

      YoYo read where Beth told Paulus he was the cause of the hell in Aruba and Paulus started sweating. Beth asked him if Joran went to school and he said he didn’t know and she asked him how Joran got home and he said he didn’t know and started sweating profusely and shaking like he had Parkinsons. She said you mean your son is under suspicion of murder and you don’t know how he got home or if he went to school the next day. Greta also said Anita described sexual stuff to Beth and she couldn’t believe Beth remained so stoic during it. Anita was no doubt saying he’s a delicious sporter who don’t drink or gamble, or smoke or do drugs.

      Aruba has a big black eye that only’s growing. 3 men go out with 1 girl and the girl don’t come home and daddy-0 is saying no body, no case a day later..hmmmmm

    37. Richard on December 1st, 2007 2:37 pm

      Carpe (#1) … You’re right, the Arubans are proud that they lie and pervert justice in FOUR languages. What an accomplishment.

      Further on this judge’s idea that Aruban law doesn’t allow suspects in a murder/homicide/rape/body disposal case to be held before trial ….

      None of this slowed them down in their jailing of the two black security guards, did it?

      Two men against whom there was NO evidence … except the lies of the three people last seen with Natalee.

      Gee, it almost makes you think that the Aruban system is corrupt … doesn’t it?

    38. EURobert on December 1st, 2007 4:12 pm

      # JusticeforNatalee on December 1st, 2007 1:45 pm

      You’re Welcome!

    39. mommytraveler on December 1st, 2007 4:30 pm

      The same judge (Rick Smid – or something like that) was at the VanDerSloots house when the original search warrant was changed. He was the same one who signed off on releasing Joran the last time. Now, he is again involved in letting the Kalpoes out. Seems like he needs to be investigated – a personal friend of the VanDerSloots should have no involvement in any of this. Smells even more of corruption down there. What does Paulus have on this judge? Must be pretty bad. ScaredMonkeys – get going on researching this judge – there must be some spiders in his closet.

    40. Jon on December 1st, 2007 4:44 pm

      I thought the phrase “no body, no case” did NOT come from any of the suspects……nor Joran’s father or mother. In fact, I thought this phrase was brought up only to emphasize someones points….and thus should not be used in the way it is used.
      ________________
      SM: WRONG – it’s in Deepak Kalpoes statement that PVDS told JK2 without a body there is no case (klaasend)

    41. mommytraveler on December 1st, 2007 4:50 pm

      Maybe – skeletons in his closet would be more appropriate.

    42. mayan_moons on December 1st, 2007 5:01 pm

      All seemed good that Jurine was being escorted by Dutch police BUT when i learned of that little pitstop on the island of Curacao (sp?) where Judge Dimwit Smit resides i smelled a rat. What was the purpose for doing that when American’s were told he was being taken to Aruba?? hmmmm
      That was VERY suspicious to me and a HUGE red flag that we were being conned/played yet again.
      For that reason my hopes were not raised and i will NEVER believe a damn thing they say until those bastard’s are sitting in prison.

      Please fellow monkey’s excuse what i’m about to say to Aruba & the Netherland’s if Jipshit is let go again too.

      F YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU ALL!~

    43. someone on December 1st, 2007 5:05 pm

      no body, no case
      _____________________
      SM: Is that you Paulus van der Sloot? (klaasend)

    44. EURobert on December 1st, 2007 5:14 pm

      # 39 mommytraveler on December 1st, 2007 4:30 pm

      I think you mean mr. Ben King and mr. Bob Wit (mr. = master in law).

      But I agree we have to know if the judges in the continuation of this case are all absolutely clean…

    45. JusticeforNatalee on December 1st, 2007 5:15 pm

      #43
      No Body
      STILL CRIME

      And we stand by the Holloway family in their quest for justice

    46. Dan in Tx on December 1st, 2007 5:25 pm

      I sent this letter to Diario this morning in response to Jossy’s 11/30/07 editorial. I doubt it will see print since Aruba does not really have freedom of the press:

      “Hello Jossy,

      Let me assure you of a few things as an American, as one who is very well-informed about the Holloway disappearance, and is a tourism professional with a degree in recreation and tourism:

      First, as much as Arubans loyal to the government (among others in the world) like to think, Americans are not stupid. We know that Joe Tacopina is just another sleazy defense lawyer, and that he is paid to make guilty men look innocent. Your readers may not be aware of this, but in America lawyers are almost universally hated- especially defense attorneys. When he or his Aruban counterparts paint Joran to be some kind of innocent victim, he is only hardening our hearts against Joran and the island that sheltered him.

      Second, regardless of what evidence the prosecution has or will present to the judges for a trial, Americans expect justice. I do not blame anyone but the suspects for failing to come clean and allow Dave Holloway to at least find his daughter for closure’s sake, but as a travel and tourism professional I can tell you that Aruba must provide justice for this family and for the missing girl. If it does not, the ATA may as well write the U.S. and Canada off as a loss, and start courting the Venezuelan tourists that Nels Oduber seems to hold so dearly. Sadly, the average Venezuelan have nearly as much disposable income as the average American…

      This is the American attitude: we do not owe Aruba anything. We feel betrayed that we provided so much of our income to Aruban families and the government, and yet that government cannot thank us with even one prosecution. One betrayal like most Americans feel over this issue is enough to erase any number of years of safe tourism to the island. I am not saying that is fair- but that is how things are in the typical American mind. I know that Dave Holloway does not support a boycott and does not wish to harm innocent Arubans, but we do not take orders from Dave Holloway. We make our own decisions to stay away from Aruba.

      Mr. Mansur, I will make a prediction: if there is no conviction handed down from Aruba’s courts regarding the missing Holloway girl, Aruba’s tourism will not return to 2005 levels for at least 10 years, and I cannot hazard a guess as to if it will ever grow much beyond that. There are many other factors that make this negative publicity even worse, such as rising fuel prices, tightening travel and restrictions in the U.S. (the U.S. Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico are already advertising ‘no passport fees’ on their television ads), and the very competitive nature of Caribbean tourism. In the last three issues of two prominent travel magazines, Travel Age West and Travel + Leisure, I found only two very small ads for Aruba. I see one airing of Aruba commercials on the Travel Channel per night, on most nights.

      The interest just is not there anymore, and these travel and tourism outlets have no interest in advertising what travel agents aren’t selling.

      Of course the Aruban government is lying about the losses to sedate the voters, but local newspapers and international groups have figures that reveal these lies for what they are. We will see how much tourism has really dropped before the next elections- I am sure the MEP’s opposition will gladly share all of the truth with voters then.

      I am sorry, but the truth is Aruba must provide justice for Natalee Holloway. Americans are simply sick and tired of excuses and mistakes, and ‘Sorry, we did our best’ will not be enough ot bring us back. Honestly, I’m not sure if we ever will come back.

      Your Friend,

      Dan in Tx”

    47. suisse71 on December 1st, 2007 5:26 pm

      #25 by 10061906 under “59 Responses to “RV PERSISTENCE and Louis Schaefer Head to Aruba to Search for Natalee Holloway”

      IMO, this is a great read if you want to be informed about “Some basic sentences for crimes committed on Aruba…” I feel it’s worth repeating –

      [Basically the bottom is – NO ONE was convicted of ANY criminal act but read on…]

      Such as: “…Aruba has a law that you cannot lie as a witness. Let’s us see who has lied as a witness and was never brought to trial and convicted of at least a misdemeanor. Joran, Deepak, Satish, Steve Croes, Freddy, Paulus van der Sloot and Michael Dompig; all come to mind. Even Michael’s father the police commissioner admitted that Michael lied. Here Gerald Dompig is guilty of obstruction of Justice. No one was convicted of any criminal act…”

      [Why Aruba? Is JK2 (or ANY of the others above mentioned) going to be convicted of ANY criminal act?!]

      Or: “…There is also another law that states if you do not honor a person’s request to be taken to that person’s requested location, that can be construed as kidnapping. By Deepak’s admission he did not take Natalee back to the hotel because Joran wanted to go to the beach. Since it was Deepak’s car and he was driving(?); he did not take Natalee back to the hotel and she was dropped off where she was totally defenseless and in an unfamiliar area. This could be considered kidnapping. No one was convicted of any crime.

      IMO, ANOTHER excellent point:

      #6&7 by Lisa under Scared Monkeys Radio Daily Commentary – Wednesday, November 28, 2007 – “If I Was The Prosecuting Attorney In The Natalee Holloway Case”

      I would not charge J2K with manslaughter because there is no evidence, witnesses , crime scene , body or DNA evidence.

      I would charge them with Kidnapping as at least they have witnesses seeing her leaving with J2k and witnesses verifying her sobriety.

      They have a better shot at making those charges stick than a murder rap and it leaves J2K with the burden of proof. “Where is Natalee”?]

      [Why Aruba? Is JK2 going to be convicted of ANY criminal act?!]

      Also, one of the BEST comments was by SM under #48 by Wavering:

      SM: The Prosecutor/KLPD/ALE/FBI all know JK2 are guilty. That’s enough for me. (klaasend)

      IMO, that is enough for me too.

      Convict these guilty scum of ANY or ALL criminal acts!!

      J4N

    48. EURobert on December 1st, 2007 5:37 pm

      Here an article with Joran’s lawyer reacting on the release of the Kalpoes. http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/2671179/Advocaat_verbaasd_over_geloof_OM_op_Aruba.html?p=20,1

      I won’t even bother to translate it… You can fill it in for yourself… The header says it all: “Lawyer amazed about trust of prosecutors on Aruba.”

      The defense-lawyers reflex…. (And probably lesson 1 in law-school) Downplay it!

    49. suisse71 on December 1st, 2007 5:55 pm

      ALSO, we are fired up now about the release of K2 + worried JVS will be released too.

      Imagine how everyone will react come December 31st IF THIS CASE IS DISMISSED!!!

      That makes me very uneasy. How do the rest of you feel? I don’t like the fact they have already given themselves “an out” w/ the possibility of a dismissal.

      So what then Mos? Are JK2 going to be completely free?

      Does that mean if The Persistence Team does find Natalee, (God Bless them!), after Dec. 31st
      JK2 can NOT be held accountable because of this [f***in'] Dec. 31st deadline and thus the judge ruled “CASE DISMISSED”

      Red, Klass – can you shed some insight, if heaven forbid, the case is dismissed?

      Is Mos, is anyone in Aruba EVER going to convict the guilty JK2 (and PVS imo) of ANY criminal act?!

      J4N
      ________________________
      SM: Even if the case is closed (cold case) and JK2 are officially released as suspects on 12/31/07, they can still be rearrested and brought to trial at ANY time if Natalee’s body is found, or if any other substantial evidence is found. (klaasend)

    50. Maggie on December 1st, 2007 6:06 pm

      #40 Jon

      Here is an audio tape of Karin Janssen talking to Martin Savige of MSNBC. On the tape she states the father harmed the investigation by instructing the 3 suspects. She said he told them no body, no case and that was the day after Natalee disappeared. She also said Anita called one witness over to the house to ask him what he told the police, aka interfering with a police investigation.

      http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8389319/

    51. Maggie on December 1st, 2007 6:16 pm

      This is very telling to me about Deepak and what he knew. He says THE PURPOSE OF THE CHAT TRAFFIC FROM SUNDAY TO MONDAY WAS TO HELP THE POLICE KNOW HE WAS HOME SUN THRU MONDAY. Why did he think he would need to prove he was home Sunday night on Sunday night? Why did he tell Natalee put her hands down his pants to throw an investigation off when there was no public knowledge that Natalee was missing and there was no investigation? What about his cocky answer even if Natalee didn’t put her hands down his pants what crime is this? Is he stuck on stupid? He just said he lied about it to throw an investigation off.

      June 2005 Deepak police statement..

      You are telling me that John Charles CROES has stated that I wrote while I was chatting with him that I had written that the girl had put her hands in/down my pants, I can say the following. I did this to frustrate/mess up the investigation. I wanted to direct the focus of the police on myself and Joran because we were afraid that Satish would get the details wrong with regard to the “Holiday Inn” story. I was almost certain that our telephone conversations were being taped and I was certain that my computer was being monitored too.

      On your question what made me think that the police would be monitoring our phones, I can say the following. I thought this might happen earlier and Joran had said the same thing to me on Tuesday May 31st 2005*. The purpose of the chat traffic was to help the police and the Office of the DA with regard to the investigation so that they could see that I was indeed home in the night from Sunday to Monday. But I have understood that they do not have the chat traffic from that night but that they do have the one from Tuesday. I know the technical procedure, so if they have the one from Tuesday than they should be looking for the one from Sunday to Monday. If I had anything to hide than I would have never told the police about John Charles CROES. Because that just worsened the situation. Even though this never happened, about the girl putting her hands in/down my pants, I would like to know what kind of crime this is. I am again saying this never happened, but it is just my question to the district attorney.

    52. brie on December 1st, 2007 6:23 pm

      Why is the case so difficult….Joran did it. You don’t have to tell 23 lies if your innocent. Besides that, he’s already said he know’s what happened. He’s allowed to continue to torment the family.

    53. martini on December 1st, 2007 6:25 pm

      The k brothers were released because the charge was for manslaughter and the evidence on the k brothers would not hold up in Dutch Law. However the evidence for manslaughter dealing with Joran is going to stick for awhile, at least until they do the deep sonar ocean search. Let’s hope they find Natalee and not oil. Not lol

    54. suisse71 on December 1st, 2007 6:25 pm

      Thank you so much Klassend! There is hope then….

      God Bless you all!

      J4N

    55. Maggie on December 1st, 2007 6:31 pm

      Go over to Greta’s blogs she has pictures of Jossy’s office… a comment left there. I thought Jossy was in Florida not long ago? She’s even saying Jossy’s bad facts caused that search..

      The comment:

      Of course Jossy has fabricated evidence….remember the guy who saw the people “bury a body”…or “bury a palm tree” at the dump?? Jossy’s bad facts is the reason they did all that digging at the dump *ie, that Dave digged at the Dump…Beth and Jug never did of course.

      Goggle Jossy and read about his “background”…pretty unsavory…he can’t even enter our country LOL.

    56. brie on December 1st, 2007 7:19 pm

      ##55..where can I find Jossy’s bad facts..!

    57. Maggie on December 1st, 2007 7:29 pm

      Brie on here

      http://gretawire.foxnews.com/

      Scroll down to pictures of Jossy’s office that Greta’s group took and click on the comments.

    58. kayjay on December 1st, 2007 7:35 pm

      Hans are you a man or a “mos”….Appeal the case and get involved yourself instead of delegating to another incompetent female lawyer. and while you’re at it get rid of that damn judge…what a farce, do you really think he will cooperate with you now when he didn’t before. How would that make him look in the eyes of his perverted buddies.
      I AM MAD AS HELL ABOUT THIS AND I WISH I WAS A BIG 300lb GORILLA AND COULD GO OVER THERE AND DO SOME REAL DAMAGE TO THOSE WHO HAVE IT COMING IN SPADES.

    59. resolution on December 1st, 2007 8:38 pm

      Dan in TX….I love you…for what you wrote that is

    60. Richard on December 1st, 2007 9:07 pm

      Dan in TX … Not to mention, I haven’t seen any organized groups standing in the rain and cold outside of travel shows to protest travel to Puerto Rico or the Bahamas.

      But I HAVE seen such groups doing this to urge against travel to Aruba.

      I know this because I’ve helped form such groups, and have taken part in some of them.

      And regardless of what Aruba says … in MY experience, the anti-Aruban sentiment has strengthened, not waned, over time.

      And if they close the case … Aruba, stay at home. We don’t want you here.

      Boycott Aruba. It’s only common sense.

      And let the presidential aspirants know that we are watching what they do, or fail to do, for Natalee. After all, she’s one of us.

      EURobert, thanks from me, too, for your constant interest and your posting of info on what’s going on in the Netherlands. Anyone here who curses out the Dutch, and some people have … please specifically exempt EURobert, who stands with us!

    61. Patti on December 1st, 2007 10:41 pm

      More than Disgusted:

      I am disgusted with the repeating of lies made by the perps in numerous statements regarding the sexual assault on Natalee.

      The first thing that Joran says, right out of the shoot, is that he sexually assaulted her while she was going in and out of consciousness in the backseat of the Kalpoes car and dropped her off at the HI.

      Then, he said that he actually had sex with her on the beach, ran out of condoms and left her there, alone, to stare at the stars.

      Then, when we find out that Paulus was in the area around 4 am, there is no mention of sex, only that Paulus picked Joran and Natalee up at the McDonalds and dropped her off at her hotel.

      I am just as sick of hearing the lies of Natalee being a rape victim, in the back seat of some losers car as you are about hearing about the Arawak Nation.

      The problem is, there is an Arawak Nation and they do the things that I have described in the past. Besides, the Chicago Videos prooves it. There is no doubt when reviewing the video how she died and why the Prime Minister wanted the crime hidden from the public.

      IF you honestly think that this is about a few boys trying to get into somebody’s pants, and a consequent rape that went wrong, I have a question: What would be the purpose of hiding it… that happens all the time, all over the world to tourists. With all the talk about drugs, they could shift the blame back and forth from being raped to dying of an overdose, which is exactly what we have seen them do here.

      The three would be charged with involuntary manslaughter, perhaps, serve a few years; for Joran a year and a half, and it would be over. But, instead, she has to be hidden… why?

      Besides, there is no evidence of a rape. There is no evidence of a drug overdose and there is no evidence of any crime at all… only a film that was taken on or around June 9, 2005; that the authorities have had a hard time explaining. And as far as I’m concerned, their explanation of what they were doing at the rocks that morning is not consistent with what we see on the film.

      If you think that you are somehow sparing the Holloways by requesting that I not talk about the video, save yourself the trouble; I’m sure they and their attorneys, investigators and scientists have reviewed every inch of that film… alot more than we have.

      Justice for Natalee

    62. Patti on December 1st, 2007 11:18 pm

      NATALEE HOLLOWAY IS CONFIRMED DEAD

      How could a confirmed dead child, a public statement of a confession, a public release of a burial location all be “misinformation”?

      How do you un-confirm the confirmation of a murdered child?

      Http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8551822

      PAUL REYNOLDS, UNCLE OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: I know that my sister had a meeting with the FBI June 10, Friday. And from that meeting, she became convinced that Natalee was no longer alive. She called her mother and told her that. And our family was—was—began the grieving process.

      You know, we were told the report would come out the next day. Later that night, we saw the reports that confessions had been made, that something bad had happened. Shortly thereafter, it was retracted. The next morning, there was a report that said Natalee was confirmed dead. And these reports came from the deputy commissioner. They came from the spokesperson from the Ministry of Justice.

      And then, all of a sudden, these statements and these confessions just disappeared. .

      SCARBOROUGH: And wait a second. I mean, these confessions were so rock solid that you actually had the FBI coming to you, coming to your family, Natalee’s family, saying, we are sorry to tell you this, but there has been a confession. One of these boys has confessed, and Natalee is no longer alive.

      How could Aruba suggest that it’s heart was with Natalee and her family – yet allow such mental and emotional cruelty to be inflicted upon the family of a battered, kidnapped, murdered child whom police allowed a suspect to ‘retract’ his own admissions of having killed and buried this child?

      How do you pull something like that back off the table? Have you had or has your sister had or has anybody in the family had any explanation from Aruban officials whatever happened to this confession, where they buried it?

      REYNOLDS: I am not aware of any follow-up information. You know, this seemed to disappear from sight, these confessions did.

      At the time, we thought that because the investigation is kept secret, we thought it was ongoing, and maybe they just didn’t want to release it officially at that time. But, as we see that the appeals, the hearings are showing there’s no evidence, but yet we have these confessions, it doesn’t make any sense. It’s as if they are being hidden or taken away.

      How could police know Natalee was confirmed dead yet claim at the same time to have no ‘evidence’?

      What source of evidence led to the confirmation of Natalee being dead, if it wasn’t her body being found?

      What police evidence led to charges of heavy battery, if Natalee’s battered body was not seen?

      How can a child be confirmed “dead” without any “evidence” of her being “dead”?

      SCARBOROUGH: You know, you said—talked about June the 10th. That’s when you all were told that the confession had been made, and you said that the family actually started a grieving process. What did the family do?

      REYNOLDS: You know, grieving is—it’s a difficult process. We were all notified. We exchanged phone calls, making sure everyone in the family was notified. I even had to tell my children, very upsetting to them, very upsetting to all of us.

      SCARBOROUGH: Wait, Paul. Are you telling me, back on June the 10th, you told your children, based on the confession of one of these—these punks that took Natalee away from the bar, that Natalee was dead? This was over a month ago. You had to break it to your family, the entire family, Natalee’s entire family, because of the confessions, knew that she was dead, and yet here we are over a month later, and they are still claiming they don’t have enough evidence to nail these guys?

      REYNOLDS: That’s absolutely correct.

      You know, the FBI had informed my sister based on the initial interrogations that that was their belief. That information was given to our family. And it’s just—it’s a very difficult thing to go through. Grieving should only be a process you have to go through one time.

      How could police authorities know the location of a confirmed dead child’s body that police also claim is “misinformation”?

      What confirmation process was used to arrive at the press release that Natalee was “confirmed” dead?

      Wouldn’t the confirmation process used to “confirm” a child’s body as dead -help to rule out the absence of such a body if it had truly been absent and was all just “misinformation” ?

      Http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159252,00.html

      Saturday , June 11, 2005

      Reports Conflict in Case of Missing Ala. Teen

      ORANJESTAD, Aruba — Reports conflicted Saturday in developments of the Alabama honor student who has been missing in Aruba for almost two weeks.

      David Cruz, a spokesman for the Aruban Minister of Justice told FOX News Natalee Holloway (search), who was on vacation with friends with a graduation trip when she disappeared, was confirmed dead and that authorities knew the location of her body.

      However, Cruz later retracted the statement, saying he was a victim of a “misinformation campaign.”

      The mother of the 18-year-old told FOX News authorities had not yet contacted them with this information but did say that Natalee’s father, who is divorced from her mother, was with investigators looking for the body.

      These reports came after significant, and at times conflicting, developments with the five suspects being detained in the case.

      The “Diario,” a local daily newspaper, is reporting that a human blood sample found in a car at the residence of one of the teens in custody — the 17-year-old son of a high-ranking island judiciary official — is now being sent to the U.S. and will be tested for a possible match to Natalee, whose mother gave a blood sample to investigators.

      One of the young men detained admitted “something bad happened” to the woman after they took her to the beach, a police officer said, while prosecutors said the investigation was at a crucial point.

      Who was the prosecutor protecting by not informing the public of the facts as released through Deputy Commissioner Dompig: that a confession was made, that “something bad ” had indeed happened, and that the suspect was leading police to the location of Natalee’s body?

      But prosecutors refused to comment on the statement by Deputy Police Commissioner Gerold Dompig, who told The Associated Press that the man who made that admission was leading police to the scene. He refused to identify which of the three young men who took Holloway to a northern beach the night she went missing made the statement.

      Police refused Saturday morning to say whether they discovered anything overnight to solve the mystery of what happened to Holloway, who was last seen in the early hours of May 30.

      Referring to Dompig’s statement, prosecution spokeswoman Vivian van der Biezen said Saturday: “We neither confirm nor deny any information coming from other sources … [about] alleged statements of suspects in this case.”

      “The investigation at the moment is the following: Five suspects are being held … and we are at a very crucial, very important moment in our investigation,” she said.

      A judge ruled Saturday that police can continue to detain three young men — two Surinamese brothers and the Dutch teen — arrested in the disappearance of Holloway.

      Police also have detained two other men — former security guards at a hotel near the one where Holloway was staying. No one has been charged in the case.

      Prime Minister Nelson Oduber said on national radio Friday night that if something happened to Holloway, it would damage the reputation of this island of 97,000 people, which depends on tourism and is considered one of the safest spots in the Caribbean.

      *************************************************
      Prime Minister Nelson Oduber said on national radio Friday night that if something happened to Holloway, it would damage the reputation of this island of 97,000 people, which depends on tourism and is considered one of the safest spots in the Caribbean.

      **************************************************
      Prime Minister Nelson Oduber said on national radio Friday night that if something happened to Holloway, it would damage the reputation of this island of 97,000 people, which depends on tourism and is considered one of the safest spots in the Caribbean.

      .

      Now…. Why would he say THAT?

    63. mayan_moons on December 1st, 2007 11:32 pm

      If the cursing out comment was directed at me Richard please note that i have never spoke in a derogatory manner to those in the Netherland’s in all the time i’ve posted here. I’m sure Robert knows i’m directing that to the Dutch legal system & the people who work for it…..not him.
      Also take note that my sentiment’s would be only if they release a man (Jurine) who the whole world knows is guilty as hell & that the evidence WAS there to convict him 20 times over but destroyed under Dutch official’s approval.

    64. Patti on December 1st, 2007 11:39 pm

      More than Disgusted:

      There is no mystery as to who confessed to the crime, which at that time was kidnap and murder. It seems that there was a technical error made in surpassing the time limit on interogating a minor. There is only one minor that was being held in connection to this crime – Joran Van der Sloot.

      Funny how two days later, June 13, 2005; ALE take Joran to the beach where he makes a sworn statement that it was Deepak who came back to the beach and raped and murdered Natalee. The statement was posted a couple days ago on the front page. Joran had it all figured out. He would say that Deepak did it, not him, and accuse him of burying her at the Fisherman’s Huts. And Paulus is arrested for being overheard giving his son legal advice, “No Body, No Crime”.

      Then on June 24, 2005 we have the secretly recorded conversation in the back of a squad car as Joran, following his father’s advise, is banking on the “No Body, No Crime” theory leaving friends, that he hardly associated with, accused and baffled at the lies that he is telling to the investigators.

      So… How could a confirmed dead child, a public statement of a confession, a public release of a burial location all be “misinformation”? How do you un-confirm the confirmation of a murdered child?

      Arawak… that’s how.

      Prime Minister Nelson Oduber said on national radio Friday night that if something happened to Holloway, it would damage the reputation of this island of 97,000 people, which depends on tourism and is considered one of the safest spots in the Caribbean.

    65. Patti on December 1st, 2007 11:44 pm

      Rapes and Overdoses:

      They happen in Aruba all the time…

      This was something ALL together different.

      So, please, lay off and let me do my work.

    66. mayan_moons on December 1st, 2007 11:50 pm

      Richard i respect you and have never called your opinion’s stupid or invalid as you commented on a previous thread that some may have felt they were.

      I value your opinion’s and will be forever grateful to you and ALL the wonderful people here who faced off with that Aruban scum who dared set up their paradice fraud BS in our cities whilst thumbing their nose’s at us. Unfortunately i haven’t been able to join in any of the protests due to extreme distances from where i live and due to the fact that i couldn’t leave my elderly mother all alone. It’s a real downer wanting to join you guys in protest but due to these reason’s and other’s i won’t mention here….can’t. My heart & soul have been with ya’ll and i truely believe with all my heart that those confrontations at the travel shows are prolly THE MAIN reason the Dutch rearrested these 3 guilty sob’s last week.

    67. Patti on December 2nd, 2007 12:22 am

      Most Disgusted:

      Do some research…

      Make yourself useful…

      Inspire us, please…

      And, if you like, prove me wrong…

      Or, I shall continue to believe that something
      really bad happened. Something SO bad that,
      the night before the authorities were to retrive
      Natalee, Oduber gave out his order to cover it…

      And that’s what they did. Not to save Joran or his two side-kicks, but to save the reputation
      of 97,000 people. To ignore that statement and
      to continue to look at this case as just another
      rape gone bad or just another overdose is doing
      an injustice to Natalee and her family.

      There’s a reason why Beth doesn’t want people
      going to Aruba, and it’s much more serious, in
      my opinion, than the possibility of being drugged
      or raped after leaving Carlos and Charlies.

      Boycott Aruba
      Justice for Natalee

      P.S. We are entitled to our opinions, remember?

      Patti

    68. Richard on December 2nd, 2007 10:31 am

      Mayan, thanks for the good words. No, the comments about cursing the Dutch weren’t aimed at you or at anyone specifically. I was just reminding everyone, so to speak, that there are Dutch nationals who are on “our” side. EURobert is certainly one of them: he’s done translation work, posted stories, and in other ways has been a tremendous asset.

      Perhaps if a letter-writing campaign picks up again, he can help tell us where the letters should be sent.

      Patti, you’re right, we all are entitled to our opinions.

      Where you and I differ on the interpretations of some things is that I’m more inclined to see Natalee’s disappearance as a case of human trafficking. If this is right, it could have been arranged before her disappearance (remember, the group around Joran was called ‘The Pimps,’ and I think the name might have significance), but I think it’s more likely that she came out of her drugged state before it was expected … perhaps while Freddy was filming, or God knows what … and that left them (whoever the ‘them’ were) with a dilemma: what to do next?

      They would have known that she couldn’t be cowed.
      They wouldn’t dare to release her.

      And if Aruban girls were somehow involved … could one of them have come up with the idea of sending her to Venezuela?

      Would Paulus, if brought in somehow, have had the idea? It’s been reported that he has Venezuelan, and possibly Colombian, contacts.

      Did Lorenzo, with his secluded house and his drug trade, say that he could take care of the problem?

      I obviously don’t know. But I think this is still a very real possibility. And if they don’t find a body in the water search, this possibility will in my mind become a near certainty … always remembering that, at the end of the day, it’s only theorizing.

      But it seems to make sense to me, having investigated the extent of trafficking in Latin America.

      Let’s hope we find the truth. That … and punishing whoever deserves punishment … really is all that matters.

    69. Richard on December 2nd, 2007 10:34 am

      “Prime Minister Nelson Oduber said on national radio Friday night that if something happened to Holloway, it would damage the reputation of this island of 97,000 people, which depends on tourism and is considered one of the safest spots in the Caribbean.”

      I wonder WHO considers it so safe? Then again, it never got media attention before Natalee ….

      But anyway, maybe its reputation would be damaged (seems to me it already has been) if one tourist were murdered, killed, assaulted or went missing.

      But if it were publicly confirmed that that tourist had been sold into sexual slavery and taken off Aruba? That would DESTROY its tourist economy forevermore, or so I think.

    70. EURobert on December 2nd, 2007 11:33 am

      # Mayan and Richard.

      Although I don’t speak on behalf of other Dutchies I do know that the LARGE MAJORITY of the Dutch share my opinion that these three thugs (serial-rapers? and killer[s] of Natalee) belong behind bars for a very long time.

      Thanks for the kind words Richard. And I understand the frustration that inspires some posters to insult the NL’s as well. (But I’m to patriotic to go with that or even with a boycot of Aruba; you must forgive me for the last…)

    71. Patti on December 2nd, 2007 12:08 pm

      Richard:

      The point that I wanted to make was that the trafficking is coming in to Aruba, not out. Please take the time to review the Chicago Videos that were taken the day before the Police were supposed to retrieve Natalee’s body.

      As I posted before, everyone, including the F.B.I. had told the Holloways that Natalee had been found. That night, Prime Minister Oduber made his speech and the next day, according to the video, Natalee was disposed of, not by some goons that rob graves or take souveniers from the dead, but by a clean up crew, with the Police standing around watching. That is the cover-up, in essense, that this boycott is all about.

      I don’t think you have reviewed the videos or the stills that have been collected that show the body of a girl in the bushes. In the video, she is bagged up and placed in the water basin. From there, I believe that she was returned to the Sloots in the Furniture Truck… at least, that’s my opinion.

      Where the trafficking comes in is in finding victims of these religous rituals the Arawak are said to have every month. It is my opinion, Paulus was a big part of getting the paperwork done to bring illegals on to the island, not only for prostitution, but in the case of virgins and children to supply the Arawak Nation with thier victims.

      Human trafficking is bad, but, is human trafficking something that would effect the reputation of 97,000 people, virtually the whole island? We have trafficking here, but it doesn’t effect our reputation. We are not, individually or collectively held responsible by the acts of a few traffickers and I don’t think that would have been the case in Aruba, either. What was done to Natalee was done by a large group of people, in a festival setting, where nearly everyone on the island knew what was going to happen to her. In fact, I would venture to say that they knew what was going to happen as soon as they heard there was a cage, a knife and a girl missing.

      We know there are over 800,000 people who vanish each year, mostly women and children. I think the lastest numbers are even higher than that. But, has anyone tried to compute how many people die as a result of pagan, human sacrificing rituals? ie. Yes, Latin America has a huge population that goes missing. I would venture to say that many of them end up in other countries, working as slaves of one kind or another. However, we cannot ignore the fact that it is in the Latin American Countries where the majority of these human sacrificing Indian Tribes live. Surely, some of those missing are their victims, as well.

      We know they exist, but we never knew that they existed in such great numbers on Aruba. Over 90% of the population is Arawak. I propose that it was the safety of the Arawak Nation that Mr. Nelson Oduber was most concerned with and they are the 97,000 people that Mr. Oduber was trying to protect. Surely, if the world knew that the island had a large percentage of “practicing” Arawaks, their reputation WOULD be ruined and no one would come to their island, again.

      Richard:

      You know there is sexual slavery everywhere. Sexual Tourism is something that we hear more and more about, but this was a murder. A bloody, mutilation that had nothing to do with sex trafficking and everything to do with pagan religious practices, spiritism.

      IMO

      Patti

      P.S. Remember PitBull! Clearly, his death was not one of a suicide and I would venture to guess that if one were to exhume his body, the cause of death would be cannibalism. Why does a Nation lie about the death of one of their own? There is only one reason and it lies in the words of their own Prime Minister, reputation.

    72. Carpe Noctem on December 3rd, 2007 6:20 am

      #12
      Carpe…

      One break… Coming up!~

      …….

      LOL Gunslinger!

      Mayan, Good to see you back on the board.

      -j4n

    73. mayan_moons on December 3rd, 2007 5:49 pm

      Thank You My Friend!~

      I’m happy to be back…….in my heart i never left. Still having alittle troubles but i have allowed pop ups on this site only and narrowing down the culprit to one or more of my pc’s add on’s.

      I’m still laughing at your advise to Anita to tie her massive brazzier between 2 palm tree’s and slingshot her fat a$$ to Venezeula!~ lol

    74. Carpe Noctem on December 9th, 2007 4:05 am

      :lol:

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