Scared Monkeys Welcomes Richard as Contributing Editor: Discussing his thoughts on Missing Persons

 

Scared Monkeys asked me to do some occasional articles on the general phenomenon of missing people, and on individual cases.  Needless to say, I’m honored and pleased to do so.  Being asked to do these articles does not imply endorsement of my thoughts on Natalee Holloway or any other missing person case.   I am no expert in this area and make no claim to be one.

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Those people who have read my posts in the last two years know that I work with the family of Amy Bradley, missing in the Caribbean since March 1998.  I also do volunteer research for International Cruise Victims, which is dedicated to promoting safety on cruise ships and alerting the public to the difference between the benign image the cruise industry presents and the level of crime that actually exists.  And I have done similar Internet research for the International Safe Travels foundation as time has allowed.
 
This weekend the world is awaiting the revelation of the fate of Harry Potter and other Harry_Pottercharacters in that series.  People are lined up to buy the last book; enterprising or unscrupulous individuals are competing to release the details of what happens; and the media are prepping us for a full-scale assault on bookstores by fans, money in hand, raging to know who lives and who dies.
 
I wonder how many of these people will give a thought to the plight of families in the “real” world who want to know the same thing about their loved ones?  Harry Potter is fiction; the agony of these families is not.
 
According to Crime Library , 2,300 Americans are reported missing each day.  I don’t know if that’s a running total or if it is the number of new cases.  This source also says that 150,000 Americans were reported missing in 1980; the latest figure is 900,000.  To some extent, the higher figure may indicate that more attention is being paid to these people.  But whatever the accurate number may be, multiply it by the grief that any family must feel and be daunted at the thought.
 
Anyway, exact numbers are not important; the despair of the families is.  These essays are not about me, but I want to share one experience.  I began my interest in this field when Chandra Levy went missing in 2001, a case that gripped the nation then and that remains unsolved.  Before that I had never thought much about missing people; it was something outside of my experience, and had never happened to anyone that I knew.

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Susan Levy, shown in her Modesto home with a portrait of her daughter Channdra

As I became interested in Chandra’s case, it occurred to me that there must be other missing people as well.  So one Saturday morning I went to the office where I was working and did random Internet searches for missing people.  Within half an hour I had seen more than I ever wanted to; hundreds – hundreds! – of smiling photos were on file, each a life that had value, each a life that may or may not have been ended, each a life that now was shrouded in mystery.  The answers were out there, but I didn’t know them.

One night, soon after, I had a dream that I still don’t like to think about.  In the dream, I realized that I had the power to “find” ten missing people … no idea why it was ten and not another number, but that’s what it was.  I had a great feeling of joy at being able to do this, and started making up a list.   Then I realized that to give ten families the answer they wanted meant to turn down thousands of other families.  It was like those classroom exercises: you have ten people on board a sinking ship, and a boat that can take six.  Who do you save?  Who do you let die?  In this case, what families do you help?  How do you decide?  Whose claim is the greatest?
 
At that point it was as though I were surrounded by swirling fallen leaves, a familiar image to New Englanders in autumn, as though the spirits of the missing and dead were crying out for attention.  So many fallen leaves; so many desperate spirits; and I could do so little, help so few.  By and by the voices subsided and faded away in a kind of despair, and I woke up with tears in my eyes.  
 
Getting back to the subject, there’s a lot of talk about media partisanship in which missing-person cases get coverage.  The “rich white girl” becomes a national cause, while her female counterparts of other ethnic or economic strata get ignored … not to mention her male counterparts.  Or so the argument goes.  It might be worth noting here that according to Crime Library, somewhat more than half of missing people are male.
 
I’m willing to concede that life is unfair, and that the media might give certain stories more play than others.  What else is new?  If an athlete or movie star is caught speeding, has a fight, uses drugs or does nothing in particular, he or she gets more media coverage than I do.  If Lindsay Lohan or Sean Penn were to vanish tomorrow, the press would go crazy.  If it happened to me, nobody would know and only a few would care.  So what?
 
My concern is with what’s left behind, in a way, when someone goes missing.  Whether high or low in the world’s esteem, the family of a missing person must go through a peculiar kind of icy hell, one that probably cannot be realized by anyone not in that situation.  Any such case deserves our sympathy just because we are human, and demands action.  Hence we not only should speak out, we must. 
 
My contact at International Safe Travels tells me that as far as she can find out, there is no one agency of the U.S. government that keeps track of missing people abroad.  There is no master list, as it were.  There is information on Americans who die abroad
(http://travel.state.gov/family/family_issues/death/death_594.html), but no overall data on the missing.  I find this unbelievable.  I’d like to write about it next time.



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    68 Responses to “Scared Monkeys Welcomes Richard as Contributing Editor: Discussing his thoughts on Missing Persons”

    1. joe bear on July 22nd, 2007 7:36 pm

      we need to never forget each one

    2. mrs. red on July 22nd, 2007 8:01 pm

      Richard,
      Looking forward to hearing more. Welcome!

    3. Observer on July 22nd, 2007 8:11 pm

      Well done Richard!! Congrats!!!

      P.S. Boycott Aruba :wink:

    4. Scared Monkeys on July 22nd, 2007 8:23 pm

      Welcome aboard Richard.

      RED

    5. just moma on July 22nd, 2007 8:24 pm

      Very interesting. Thak you Richard. Sad, that there isn’t even a database! More must be done. Please keep us informed! Thanks

    6. december_star on July 22nd, 2007 8:40 pm

      Scared Monkeys I am an avid reader of your blog, and when I see a pic of a person or child that is missing I make a point to remember it. I really don’t know what else I can do in my remote community to help. If there is a missing person or child here close to my home you can bet I will do everything I can help.

      I would like to say THANK YOU for shaming me, because I am a fan of books and happen to like Harry Potter. By the way it may interest you to know that the author of Harry Potter, JK Rowling, has asked all book stores to post pictures of Madeleine Mccann in efforts to help find the girl who went MISSING in Portugal. She has also offered an undisclosed but substantial reward for the Madeleine.

      This is the first time i have been either offended or disappointed in on of your postings. But I will be back, because I do care for the missing people if the world.

    7. Brie on July 22nd, 2007 8:41 pm

      Way to go Richard! Keep up the good work, as usual! Congrats!

    8. Fools Gold on July 22nd, 2007 8:46 pm

      A Database of Americans ‘missing’ abroad?

      Well, its hard to get updates on the domestic cases and often flyers are displayed months after disposition, so I doubt a foreign database would do better.

      Many countries declare someone to be ‘missing’ because their Minister of Tourism does not want there to be any drownings or shark attacks. Some of those “missing” from a cruise ship were clearly murdered, but desperate families want to remain hopeful. The database would surely be stuffed with items of low quality: consider all those sightings of Chandra Levy or sightings of Natalee Holloway in a brothel in Venezuela. Consider those idiots who spread rumors about missing persons being kidnapped for organ donation. You really want to stuff a database with all that nonsense? What use would it be?

    9. Sleuth on July 22nd, 2007 9:20 pm

      Richard – thank you for agreeing to contribute articles to SM. You definitely have a talent and we are very lucky that you are willing to share it at SM.

      As you said, no one should be left behind.

    10. Pearl on July 22nd, 2007 9:25 pm

      Keep writing Richard! Best wishes to you!

    11. Kat_Gram on July 22nd, 2007 9:57 pm

      Ricahrd .. I am glad to see you do this. You have the passion for what you do. Kudos to you. I have always enjoyed reading your posts as you can articulate what some of us cannot.

    12. mayan_moons on July 22nd, 2007 9:58 pm

      Richard always writes interesting posts and point on letters to the various Aruban and American official’s on Natalee & her family’s behalf. Glad to see you’ll be writing more Richard……your loyalty to Amy, Natalee and their families aswell as caring about other families of missing persons makes you a hell of a guy in my book!

    13. Sarah on July 22nd, 2007 10:15 pm

      Welcome aboard Richard. I read Scared Monkeys and wish there was more I could do to help. It’s so sad that family members are missing and no one knows where they are. Thank you for helping them.

    14. Dan in Tx on July 22nd, 2007 11:03 pm

      The Holloways and Bradleys are lucky to have good people like you on board, Richard. A lot of the time- especially with Natalee and Amy- it seems the bad guys won and we can’t touch them. But at least we’re putting up a good fight!

    15. 10061906 on July 22nd, 2007 11:24 pm

      I have a philosophy that is fairly simple and straight forward:
      Never give in, never give up, never look back. However; in retrospect what makes me think I can actually tell what happened to Natalee when I’m trying to get my own house in order. I’m sorry this is long but it will be awhile before I post again.
      Will I give up? Never: Will I give in? Never: Will I forget? Never.
      Taking what I have followed over the last two years I will have one more attempt to write a script for what could account for Natalee’s disappearance.
      But first we as posters can only assume what happened. Aruba lies and I’m sure there are tons of documentation that will not be released by Beth, Dave or the FBI.
      My still nagging question is why Natalee stayed behind while the friends she came with went back to the HI. My opinion is school wise and street dumb.
      The psychic on Haunting Evidence said she felt Natalee was being watched (stalked) from the second day she arrived. Didn’t Natalee change rooms the second day?
      Beth felt she was being watched while in Natalee’s room. I still feel that originally Natalee’s room had a hidden VHS camera. Peeping Tom’s would be the pimps lesser evil. These tapes are reviewed in the pimp’s clubhouse and a tourist is picked for their game. This could be somewhere around the racquet club since almost all say they go or have met each other there. Or strange as it may sound there is a room available at Carlo and Charlie’s, Lorenzo’s or the infamous Lion’s Den.
      My guess since they are all involved with drugs is they meet at Lorenzo’s.
      The pimps are fairly spread out so some common ground is needed. Joran, Freddy and Jaime are in Montana. Geoff van Cromvoirt is in Paradera. Deepak and Satish are in Hooiberg. Koen and Sanders are in Malmok. Guido Wever, Andre B and Michael Dompig I’m not sure. Also I’m not so sure there are no other members that are still flying under the radar.
      On her trip Natalee was accosted numerous times by Geoff and Joran; and yet I don’t believe any of the other MBHS females were. I don’t recall reading it anywhere in the MBHS depositions. Attempted drug sales but not actually grabbing or being slapped. No other MBHS female needed the MBHS boys to step in. That is why I feel an all out attempt was made on Natalee. Remember Joran said he liked Ruth better. That may have been the one he picked originally but was out voted.
      Someone called Joran to get over to C and C’s because this may be our last chance. I’m sure Natalee did not call. Her friends left at 11:00. Paulus picked up Joran and Natalee at 11:00PM. Joran was getting ready to be picked up by Deepak at 11:00. Everything is 11:00PM. There is this one hour; 11:00 to 12:00PM where nothing is documented for Natalee’s activities. Not even in the MBHS depositions. Lee, Ruth and Madison had all left C and C’s so they couldn’t know.
      She had $50.00 when she started out; splitting cab fare she may have had $40.00 remaining. Buying a few drinks at those prices she may have had only $20.00 left by 11:00PM or when Joran arrived she may have had no money for cab fare. This made it real convenient for Joran to offer a ride and Natalee to accept. Someone slipped Natalee a “roofi” before she left. Once in Deepak’s car she was further sedated. Deepak stopped off to tell all to head for the House; because they hit the jackpot. Most of the pimps head for Joran’s. Since the only room according to Anita that was not searched was the younger son’s room. Obviously something bad happened to Natalee there. Paulus is informed and Natalee has to be removed. Not only that but any evidence also has to detract from Montana. Deepak, Satish and others leave. Joran and Geoff take Natalee to dispose of her. They load the bloody mattress and Natalee on Geoff’s pickup truck. They try to decide were to take her. They head south towards San Nicolas. There; Geoff gets rid of his shirt and other items that were found there. They take Natalee to the Pet cemetery or one of the abandoned caves. Then they drop off the bloody mattress at Grapefield Beach.
      Why the pet cemetery? Joran killed his dog. “Bitch” is a female dog. Bitch; in his book is what Joran calls Natalee. That smirk on his face at the pool says something. Plus there would be too many others involved with sea dumping or cremation.
      (my original thought and I have been persuaded since then)
      If they find the girl you will get 15 years. Deepak says to Joran.
      Fifteen years is the sentence for murder without premeditation.
      This would imply that Deepak and Satish were there when Natalee was killed, but not involved with her burial.
      Who started the cover up? IMHO it started with Paulus and Van der Straaten and escalated up.
      Why the cover up? Because of where it happened, how it happened, the condition of Natalee’s body, they did not want details of the “Game” and how it was played to be made public and there were too may sons of public figures involved with Natalee’s murder, rape and her burial.
      Go here:
      http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=aruba+pet+cemetery
      and here
      http://www.webshots.com/search?query=aruba+pet+cemetery&new=1&source=chromeheader

      disgustedmom; you sent me in this direction.
      I think this may be the haystack; but now for the needle.

    16. sparrow on July 22nd, 2007 11:52 pm

      Richard,
      You have a passion for what you believe in, and I will look forward to reading what you write. You are very good with expressing your words.

    17. sparrow on July 22nd, 2007 11:54 pm

      1906,
      why are you not going to be posting for awhile? You’re ideas, and thoughts are some of the best.

    18. LilPuma on July 22nd, 2007 11:59 pm

      Richard, I’m looking forward to reading any information and insights you can provide. Your posts have always been interesting and your experiences and passion will make you a great Contributing Editor.

    19. Katysmom on July 23rd, 2007 12:41 am

      Welcome Richard,
      I hope I can speak for the rest of the monkeys when I tell you we are very honored to have you with us.

    20. 10061906 on July 23rd, 2007 12:54 am

      Sparrow: I’m not going away. I have about 600 photos and almost 3 inches of downloaded documentation concerning Natalee that I want to review again.
      Unfortunately I’m not researching for some novel. I’m just trying to find that one little slip of the tongue by anybody that was involved. There are just so many scenarios that can be assumed. Who knows whether what I am writing is true are false. Nothing will be proven by me sitting 1600 miles away writing what I think could have happened. I have been proven wrong on a couple of issues. There are just so many endings you can write before you hit THE END. I would definitely like to read the second half of Joran’s book. I felt there was some very good insight in the first half.
      After all is said and done the premise to this case is:
      Four left C and C’s.
      Three got home.
      Natalee did not make it.
      JK2′S, where is Natalee?
      So until I can develop anything different there is no reason to post.
      Hey: I’m not giving up…I’ll be reading everyday and if I can help with anything; that I will try to do.

    21. 10061906 on July 23rd, 2007 1:00 am

      Richard: Congratulations: You have some of the best writing skills and way with words that are very admirable.
      I like your convictions and determinination and what you have brought to help find Natalee.
      I will be looking forward to your postings on the plight of missing persons and the impact it has on their families..

    22. Sandy on July 23rd, 2007 1:42 am

      Whatever happened to the pics that surfaced on Amy Bradley on the Dr Phil Show? Looked pretty much identical to me….I believe many women out there today are held captive without their control…..

    23. Sandy on July 23rd, 2007 1:49 am

      Makes me sick to think that many families in this world believe their missing children are out there possibly deceased when in fact they may be alive and held against their will….

    24. december_stars sister on July 23rd, 2007 2:46 am

      Seriously, if you think Harry Potter is receiving undo attention, then why on earth would you do more to give it attention?

    25. Jerry from Ohio on July 23rd, 2007 3:43 am

      Welcome Richard, always enjoy your post’s and your opinion
      Welcome to SM and good luck as always .
      Jerry from Ohio

    26. Fools Gold on July 23rd, 2007 5:15 am

      >”…know that I work with the family of Amy Bradley, missing in the Caribbean since March 1998….”
      It seems common that family members want extraordinary search efforts made and are hesitant to face reality. Often family members establish forums wherein software is set to alter text that uses terms such as ‘dead’ or ‘murdered’ Attempts to improve the media situation by linking Amy Bradley to the Natalee Holloway case or vague rumors of the White Slave Trade only show that family members just don’t want to accept realistic assessments of what happened and where it happened but will instead clutch at any straws and want search efforts conducted forever no matter what misallocation of resources is involved. If you truly work for the family of Amy Bradley, then work to get them to accept the fact that whatever happened to her happened on that ship and that whatever method of corpse disposal was used, it was used fairly promptly.

    27. Susan on July 23rd, 2007 5:57 am

      Congratulations Richard :-) Keep up the excellent work! I appreciate all the time and effort you put into the cause.

    28. Vicki on July 23rd, 2007 8:23 am

      Very well done, Richard as always and thank you from the bottom of my heart what you do for so many ppl. God bless you.

    29. JusticeforGeorge on July 23rd, 2007 10:29 am

      Richard, your insight into the missing person epidemic is invaluable and your concern for the families of missing people is palpable. Thank you for all that you do.

    30. Miss-Underestimated on July 23rd, 2007 11:24 am

      Congratulations Richard

      You will be an asset to Scared Monkeys. We are all lucky to have advocates like you here.

      Miss-Underestiamted

    31. Vicki on July 23rd, 2007 12:14 pm

      26- what is your problem???you must not have anyone you love or care for. You dont just give up…DUH… how insensitive must you be???SHAME ON YOU!

    32. mayan_moons on July 23rd, 2007 12:40 pm

      26…your an ass……..shaddup!~

    33. KrisG on July 23rd, 2007 12:51 pm

      Congratulations, Richard. Look forward to reading your posts, as always.

    34. JusticeforNatalee on July 23rd, 2007 1:09 pm
    35. Miss-Underestimated on July 23rd, 2007 2:17 pm

      whatever method of corpse disposal was used, it was used fairly promptly.

      Comment by Fools Gold | July 23, 2007, 5:15 am

      Yes a fitting name FOOL

    36. sparrow on July 23rd, 2007 2:32 pm

      1906,

      Glad you’re not going away. I would very much miss your imput into Natalee’s tradegy.

      Somewhere there’s that smallest of detail that will all make sense to us, when it’s finally discovered.

    37. pdh3 on July 23rd, 2007 3:12 pm

      Richard – That was an excellent post! I look forward to more of your contributions. God Bless you for doing what you can to help the families of the missing. No matter what transpired, these families deserve the truth about what became of their loved ones. To be left in limbo, wondering what happened, is unbelieveably cruel. I can’t imagine the hell that they are living in, and I’m thankful that so far, everyone in my life that I love is accounted for today. Who knows what tomorrow will bring to any of us? I’m sure Beth and Dave never imagined they’d lose Natalee in the way that they have.
      There but for the Grace of God…….
      Keep up the good work Richard!

    38. Brie on July 23rd, 2007 4:29 pm

      #26…you are disgusting!

    39. Carpe Noctem on July 23rd, 2007 5:57 pm

      congrats Richard!

    40. Derek on July 23rd, 2007 5:59 pm

      38- Not disgusting, but correct. While it is a very sad truth, it is the truth nonetheless.

    41. Carpe Noctem on July 23rd, 2007 6:34 pm

      Gosh, I can smell a dirty

      Aruban media whore a mile away 26!!!

      You mean PROPAGANDA CAMPAIGNS, blog and spam bombs /

      bots, and hack attacks???

      Yeah, we don’t have time for that squirrelly s$%it.

      We leave that to pompous, raping, tourist murdering Arubans, that refuse to put their criminals (VANDERSLOOTS/KALPOES) in jail under any circumstances, whatsoever.

      That kinda of stuff is HOLLOW; it is for people who

      are empty human shells.

      People like Nelson O’Duber and his

      son, Elson, the ODUBER family maid rapist.

      People like Rudy Croes. (whip sound effect gets
      inserted here) Rudy has more S & M sex tapes with Aruban
      minors, than Pee-Wee’s BIG Aruban Adventure.

      Hey Rudy, you’za a freak, money. -Rick James

      ALSO,

      Pieces of human sewage, like Jan Van der Straaten,

      Gerold Dompig, and his

      gang rapist of a son Michael Dompig! People like JULIA

      RENFRO, what more needs to be said about that dish rag

      heifer? She gives the blow up sex doll industry a lot

      of hope. I was lookin to be positive on that one.

      …and…

      People like Joran & Deepak who keep granting interviews

      where they actually call Natalee a BITCH. They are such

      intrepid psycopaths,

      you can actually track back, and see where they’ve

      been documented saying it on the record.

      For ex: Joran’s JUNE 2007 DUTCH

      MAGAZINE INTERVIEW. Please, read it! WOULD YOU TALK THAT

      STUFF? What would you do if you were in Joran’s Frankenstein

      Shoes?

      Me, I’d shut the hell up and be praying my buns off that

      I didn’t wind up floating face down in a pond tomorrow.

      Those BURN NATALEE type tactics

      are weak, and that is why Aruba has been taking it up

      the hooptie for the past two years.

      Keep it up the good work… it’s worked so well.

      You’re all winner, baby…

      I love to see you froth like that! – Frank Zappa

      -j4n

    42. Brie on July 23rd, 2007 6:46 pm

      #40….YOUR DISGUSTING AS WELL AS #26……the sad truth….you don’t know the sad truth…..the realistic assessment is…Amy Bradley was abducted…first try was leaving the ship via crew members to go to C&C’S….the truth for you is nonetheless…doubt the reality, INSTILL DISBELIEF…LET THE CRIMINALS DO THEIR JOB…join Joran and Paulus, they’re hoping for the same thing…forget it and move on……………..”NOT GONNA HAPPEN”.

      ………………………YOU SMELL…………………….

    43. Derek on July 23rd, 2007 7:07 pm

      Please explain first, why we are called disgusting.

      Amy Bradley, is most likely dead. Could you give me some hope that she is still alive.

      I’m not asking for people to FORGET IT AND MOVE ON, but these people are most likely dead. And about this reality issue, no parent will accept their child is dead for a very long time, but they have to keep in mind that their child is most likely dead.

      Like I said, sad truth, but that’s usual reality.

    44. nychic (back in tx) on July 23rd, 2007 7:14 pm

      ————

      Getting Back To Richard and His Hard Work & Dedication

      Keep Up The Great Posts and Articles -

      If I Can Ever Help – Please Don’t Hesitate To Ask
      (remember I’m no longer in NYC – just kept the name)

      Spending Time On Natalee’s Case Is Very Meaningful To Me
      And So Many Others Here –

      Not Only That – It Is A Luxury For Most
      To Have The Available Free Time To Dedicate
      To These Tragic Causes –

      We Can Only Give So Much Time – We Should All Take A Page
      From Your Book Richard And Make It Mean Something !

    45. Carpe Noctem on July 23rd, 2007 7:28 pm

      Yeah, Derek,

      In Aruba, that sadly is the reality!

      Your kid dies, and you never get to see the body

      again.

      Playing musical corpses

      seems to be tradition! When the music stops, you turn and

      pass your neighbor a stiffy…

      It’s the Aruban way.

    46. Richard on July 23rd, 2007 7:59 pm

      Thanks for all the comments, everyone, both pro and con. In a way it’s improper for me to speak out here, but I do want to clarify that I’m not criticizing the Harry Potter books or movies, none of which I’ve read or seen. Obviously they appeal to millions of people worldwide.

      I was just wondering how many of the people who were avidly waiting to find out who lived and who died in them (I haven’t bothered to check, myself) gave as much thought or concern that day to the many, many REAL people whose fate is unknown … and whose loved ones want to know, and are suffering from not knowing.

      Certainly that observation wasn’t directed at anyone here.

      As for Amy Bradley, the sightings that have been reported over the years, including recent ones in which her name was given, and the testimony by authorities that they are almost certain the person whose photographs were shown on that Dr. Phil show is Amy … this is strong evidence.

    47. mayan_moons on July 23rd, 2007 8:30 pm

      Carin Jansen charged Paul & Jurine with PREMEDITATED MURDER…..she had to have evidence to make a charge like that.

      Carin also charged them with kidnapping, heavy battery, rape and murder.

      How can you level charges like that without seeing Natalee’s body?

      YOU CAN”T!

      Carin was that you in the rocks area wearing a blue/green T-shirt? Is that where you saw Natalee Carin? Or was it the medical examiner morgue area? Was Natalee taken away in that hearse from the rocks scene?

    48. mayan_moons on July 23rd, 2007 8:32 pm

      Hey nychic!

      So glad you’re back! We’ve missed you!

    49. nychic (back in tx) on July 23rd, 2007 9:21 pm

      thanks mayan -

      I’m Always Here Reading –
      (moving limits internet luxury time)
      Been Here Since June ’05 Most Like Many Others
      And Plan To Stay Until The Truth Comes Out

      Just Like One Of The Many Things Carpe Says:
      We Will Never Give Up On Natalee
      We Know Who We Are
      (but only Klaas knows who “is” and who “is not”)

    50. mayan_moons on July 23rd, 2007 10:07 pm

      You’ve been moving? Arrrrg….moving is HARD work! I still have flashbacks to my last move & its been a decade lol! I’m planning to move again pretty soon too, if ya have any tips on moving long distances i’m all ears!~

    51. mayan_moons on July 23rd, 2007 10:14 pm

      Hey guys i read on Michelle’s site that the Dutch are claiming they arn’t in charge of the Natalee Holloway investigation, thus they will NOT issue any reports regarding the case.

      Is that true?

    52. mayan_moons on July 23rd, 2007 10:33 pm

      Yep klass is one wise monkey!

      Any idea’s where Jurine is hiding these days? I’m counting the hours till the deep sea water search begins! Also read that the Aruban’s/Dutch were trying to stop the water search…..is that true and if it is can you tell how they tried to stop it.

    53. Patti on July 24th, 2007 12:16 am

      Great Job, Richard…

      CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!

      We need a modest, sound thinker; such as yourself, to
      bring a voice to the ones that have been silenced and
      solace to their grieving families.

      Thank you, Sweet, Sweet, Richard. May God Bless You.

    54. nychic (back in tx) on July 24th, 2007 12:51 am

      Would Love To Hear Where That Pig Jurine Is
      He Certainly Is Keeping A Low Profile
      What Happened To That Piece of Trash He Wanted To Publish ?

      I Imagine Taco Will Start Foaming At The Mouth Soon Enough

      Taco Has Not Been In The News Since That Pathetic
      Representation of Melanie McGuire He Lost
      (the woman in NY who chopped up her loving husband)

      I Also Have A Feeling That
      Taco and His Girlfriend Renfro
      Are Somehow Involved In
      The Latest “Leak” To FOX

      ———
      best tips on moving:
      – have your company pay for it
      – real estate is way less expensive in TX than NYC !

    55. Susan on July 24th, 2007 5:56 am

      Source: Natalee Holloway Died of Drug Overdose
      Friday, July 20, 2007

      Natalee Holloway
      Natalee Holloway died from cardiac arrest caused by an accidental drug overdose, a source has told The O’Reilly Factor.

      “The Factor has learned from sources we have to protect that Natalee Holloway, the 18-year-old Alabama woman who disappeared two years ago in Aruba, died from cardiac arrest brought on by an overdose of cocaine,” Bill O’Reilly said on his Thursday program.

      The theory offered by the source, a top law enforcement official, could not be confirmed independently because Holloway’s body has not been found.

      Holloway was vacationing with friends on the Caribbean resort island when she disappeared the night of May 30, 2005.

      She was seen leaving a bar with Joran van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe. The brothers were jailed and later released after a judge ruled there was not enough evidence to hold them.

      Van der Sloot, a Dutch citizen who has been attending college in the Netherlands, was also jailed and released. He has said he left Holloway alone on a beach after they kissed and he did not harm her.

      At least 10 people have been arrested and released without charges. Hundreds more have been questioned.

      The Dutch marines, the local coast guard, the FBI, hundreds of volunteers and others have scoured the island’s dunes, beaches and trash dumps for Holloway. Scuba divers and sonar-equipped coast guard ships have also examined the seabed in the unsolved disappearance.

      Fox News

      Who’s your freaking source BILL?!?!? I am OUTRAGED!!

      BOYCOTT ARUBA AND HOLLAND!!

      JUSTICE FOR NATALEE :-)

    56. Vicki on July 24th, 2007 12:15 pm

      mayan- I read that also that email from the Dutch and if this is the case I know some MEN who are just dying to call on Urine for a CHAT…I actually would love to have them go after the younger brother cause I think that night was his initiation into this world of violence and EVIL…Time will tell what needs to be done….but that time is COMING…

    57. Mary L. on July 24th, 2007 12:31 pm

      Richard,
      Could you please post a detailed update on the Amy Bradley case? Amy’s case has not gotten enough media attention considering the number of sitings and the likelihood that she is still alive and able to be found. I also don’t understand why the civil suit against Royal Caribbean was scuttled.

      Thanks!!

    58. disgustedmom on July 24th, 2007 12:31 pm

      About the possibility that ALE did find Natalee’s body early on…..

      After Aruba did their autopsy they would have to release her body to the FBI. Aruba would not get the last word on cause of death or any other details.

      I guess that could be a good reason Aruba didn’t want to admit they found a body. And really, I’m not so sure they didn’t find her.

      Their attempts to find her have been superficial at best. They say they have clues -the dump, the ocean- but they are not the ones who check those clues out. They send the family or Tim Miller. Why? Because they know it’s a waste of time because the body has already been found?

      Even that massive sand dune search around the CA Lighthouse that ALE did was BS. Did you all know about 50 new police officers were training there that day? THey used it as a training exercise under the guise of finding Natalee based on a tip. If they hadn’t have had to train new cops anyway, I doubt that search would have taken place at all. Opportunists!

      And what about the pond search? Didn’t Jossy have something to do with making that happen? As I recall ALE wasn’t the ones who initiated it.

      The F16 flyover? At first reported to have been a search for Natalee turns out to have been a mapping flyover? They only used this because it was already going to happen and thought they could just pass it off as looking for Natalee. Opportunists!

      What have they really done to look for her?

      Oh, they let government employees off half that day. Hmph. I’ll bet that had ulterior motives. Like maybe they didn’t want government employees working that day in case they might overhear something about Natalee being discussed. They’d have to let all the gov’t offices out or else any singular ones they did let out would be too suspicious. I always thought letting gov’t employees out was overkill. (WHat day was that? DOES ANYONE REMEMBER THE DATE? It might be important to when ‘they knew’ something had really might have gone wrong.)

      And what about the Dutch? Isn’t that where all the evidence that was found that might have been related to Natalee suddenly ended up NOT having anything to do with her? And then they go re-search the VDS property and the Kalpoe house. What for? To make sure there wasn’t any evidence left that might implicate Holland’s involvement in a coverup?

      So you know, on that day when the leak said a body had been found….after(?) which Vanderstraaten said he had seen the evidence that Natalee was dead….maybe she was found then. And wasn’t that just before they were forced to arrest J2K?

      But if they did find her then, what could they possibly be hiding that they don’t want the FBI to know about? What would have happened anyway if the FBI had reached different conclusions during an autopsy? Even a bullet hole would not make ALE ‘sure enough’ to charge anyone with the crime. Even if her body had been beaten to a pulp, ALE could still have said they had no real proof who did it. So I don’t see the point in hiding her IF she had been found.

      Unless, there is no point and Aruba just didn’t give a shat if Natalee’s body was returned home so they cremated her at the morgue-for which someone would surely get sued- hoping to do what then?….

      Does anyone recall what path the story took just after the punks were arrested? Is that when the ‘runaway’ theory began? Is that when the Holloways and Twittys began to be attacked as if Natalee had a rotten home life? Is that when the ‘Natalee is pregnant with Jug’s kid’ story started? Is that when Natalee and her family became the ones to blame? (I’m asking these questions because I don’t have the timeline on these events. If anyone does, please answer!)

      So I know initially some callous frosted flake eater and others suggested Natalee would show up….that she must have been still out partying. I don’t include that in any coverup that would have begun AFTER a body was found. Such remarks, insensitive and callous as they are, are often the mindset of small town cops who think all teens are rotten and all families over-react and no family knows their own kid. It’s sick, but these cops don’t want to ‘fall for stuff’ because they are ‘smarter than that’. They let their ego get in the way of getting started.

      This brings me to, what if they whole body being found thing was BS? Still ALE passed the buck of finding Natalee to her family and Tim. Maybe they knew Natalee was not dead and had been sold and they are afraid to go in that direction either for self-serving reasons or for fear of ending up decapitated. So they try to say they found a body just to confuse things in that direction, knowing they will just say it was misinformation later. Joran gets arrested and held in a ‘safe’ place. The Kalpoes are let go after the cops are sure they don’t know anything about the ‘sale’. The beach story is made up and lo and behold! The cops take Joran to that area to ‘refresh his memory of that area’ so his story will be more accurate than it might be if he didn’t get to go take a good look and create a solid visual about the area?

      I’m really starting to think Natalee may have been sold.

      ALE didn’t/isn’t looking too hard because they know she was/is not on the island. And they have/will find a cocaine overdosed body….somewhere.

      The end story could read like this….she ran away, got into drugs and ODed and was found ‘somewhere else’ where she had run away to.

      If that could be the story they want to tell to end this and let all their perps go free, perhaps Natalee’s body has been or will be found in the USA so Aruba and Holland can get off scott free.

      Those letters sent allegedly from Natalee….were postmarked Hot Springs, (don’t know the state) but it was in the USA. Might her body ‘be discovered’ around that area? This would not eliminate the possibility that Natalee had been sold…it would only be a way of returning her to end the case against Arubans.

    59. Vicki on July 24th, 2007 1:13 pm

      disgustedmom, heck they could bring her to my house and I would never tell, just as long as we could get her back to alabama….thats all her Mother wants, for her baby to come home. I HATE LIERUBA and I wish a huge storm would come like the flood in the old testement and wash away all the EVIL and SICK pervertedness off that place.

    60. SunFreak2 on July 24th, 2007 6:37 pm

      Richard, congratulations! I know you will do a brilliant
      job.

    61. Brie on July 24th, 2007 11:30 pm

      I think we need to go back to Straaten….”I have seen the evidence”…..HOLD HIM RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS STATEMENT….he has seen the evidence, then he has seen Natalee….and just how come nothing has been done about this! Maybe we need to move head strong on Straaten. He has admitted to knowing. So why allow all of this to continue, especially for Beth and Dave? Why doesn’t the Dutch arrest him?

    62. yoyo muffintop on July 25th, 2007 12:15 am

      #54 – we all knew it was a longshot though, right? :)
      I bet you got that 6 page GQ spread of Joe T sittin’ right next to the bed.
      But hey, check out Wimberley which is about 30miles outside of Austin. Beautiful area and a cool artsy kinda town.

    63. Dave on July 25th, 2007 6:37 pm

      #62 – Did you break wind or is that your breath? Maybe its just that foul TROLL odor as always.

    64. compananzi on July 25th, 2007 10:51 pm

      #58, umm..If I may add in your overanalysis, ..the comment that a missing person might show up is not nefarious or ill minded in anyway…just the facts.. Having travelled the Carribean and observing and asking authorities about tourist behaviour, quite frankly one would say that is common. If the records were released I ask a simple question, do you know how many tourist are left behind at different cruise ports lately? And do you know that drinking liquor till stupor is the major reason, well sun and rum…

    65. Vicki on July 26th, 2007 9:12 am

      #64- Isnt that what these freakin Islands advertise….come and enjoy the sun and rum????Sickening..thats what safe thavels is all about?? Educating ppl that these Islands are not SAFE…Its not one big HAPPY island… It reeks of EVIL!!!!

    66. HOPE on May 12th, 2009 3:38 am
    67. HOPE on May 12th, 2009 4:12 am

      Richard:

      A secret is a secret and if it helps you in any way, it’s a gift. God bless the Bradleys as they have never given up and they know their baby is alive. All she has to do is take one more chance…

      Through Christ we approach You, Jehovah, the One He emulated in all Your ways. It is, truly, You who knows all things. May Your will be manifest and Your name be sanctified. May you stand upon Your Holy Mountain and behold your people. We stand in awe of You; for You and, only, because of You. For You are the Wisdom and the Power and the Glory forever and ever and, we, Your holy servants.

      God Bless the Children… Help them find their way home. For there is nothing worse than longing for your protocol son to return to reap his reward and gain his true inheritance in the arms of his loving father.

      Through Christ we pray…

      Amen.

    68. T. Kenneth Lewis on May 30th, 2011 7:08 pm

      I saw Miss Holloway’s mother’s TV show, VANISHED last Monday about the disappearance of Amy Lynn Bradley and it moved me to contact as many churches in the Twin Cities area,tell them about Amy and pray for her and the other adults and children enslaved by these criminals.

      If the LORD can rescue the Israelites from the Egyptian slave-masters, we pray that He will rescue the people enslaved by these criminals. And I agree that all ships that come to and depart from this country and it’s holdings should be required to have security cameras in all public areas and all cruise lines should be required to respond to missing persons aboard ship. If we can’t get SEAL Tea 6 in their to rescue the prisoners and take out the criminal element, God is our only hope. We must remember

      Matthew 19:26b with God all things are possible.

      I am glad to see you are working on this problem, too, and look forward to your messages! God bless you and your mission!

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