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“Haunting Evidence” … You make the call
One word of advice to Court TV, when you do a promo … maybe some of the things you are teasing you may actually want to cover in the story.
The Haunting Evidence team basically reiterated what many of us have been saying for a little over two years. Where it happened, what most likely occurred and who did it. There are references to date rape drugs and rape. Look out Court TV, Joe Tacopina might be sending you a letter.
Watch the rest of the videos …
Interview with Sarah Meahl, the actress who played Natalee Holloway
Posted June 21, 2007 by Scared Monkeys Aruba, Bizarre, Crime, Joran Van der Sloot, Media, Missing Persons, Natalee Holloway, Paul Van der Sloot, Scared Monkeys Radio | 78 comments |
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Hi Joran,
You took a CPR course?
I never would have guessed
it in a million years! You effin LOSER.
You make me sick.
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Fox News is reporting that Equisearch says that Natalee is in a metal container in the SEA ? It’s on the bottom of the screen in the interview with the girl that played Natalee in Haunting Evidence. Link below….
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/player06.html?062007/062007_holloway_movie&Live_Desk&Playing%20Natalee&Playing%20Natalee&World&-1&News&121&&&exp
I remember the real Allison Dubois from “Medium” was on MSNBC with Dave Holloway. She saying the same thing that one of the suspects would crack to reveal what happen to Natalee Holloway.
Carpe-Nice work on getting these videos so quickly!!
Court Tv played it out in grand fashion that there was danger,she would name names,she knows where Natalee is..Etc Etc..Although I am dissapointed I am just glad that Natalee was portrayed as the victim here and they told a story that her life was cut short by premeditated predaters. It could have been alot worse as the last year some have portrayed Natalee as something she was not.
The psychics played out what the general thoery is for honest people who know some about the case. They emphasized that Natalee was drugged,very sick,raped and killed or left for dead. They told of a coverup and someone wealthy who influenced that.
The more we learn about Joran and his father the more obvious it becomes of what happened to Natalee. Everything points to them and nowhere else.
“He made me sick and he killed me” was a quote from carla through Natalee.
The reenactment just sent a chill up my spine. Joran makes me sick.
I was so disappointed in this show. Expected more than what everyone else here has already known for 2 years. I am glad it was aired though, for the sake of keeping Natalee in the media. I am just sorry that Beth was involved and didn’t get any more information. She could have done without seeing the re-enactment.
Hey Carpe,
GREAT that you’ve recorded and uploaded the show on CARPEVISION!!!
Don’t know what to think of the results. I think the psychics have read in to the story at least so they didn’t come up with many new facts. But they’ve come up with ONE timeline of what happened and that may be important. And it’s excactly what I’ve always thought: Natalee and the 3 perps went from C&C’s to the north-west of the Island with Natalee being drugged. At the beach near the fishermanshuts it got out of hand (Natalee being sexualy assulted/raped by 2 of them?). Natalee died there. I guess somewhere overthere she had a temporary burial (maybe in the bushes (Google Earth ± 12 º 36’33.69 N, 70 º 03’10.45 W), maybe under the bridge at the mainroad that is across the drainage there). But I think she in the end was dumped in the sea to the northwest of the isle.
But again… great for posting the show on youtube Carpe!
I think that Texas Equusearch … that is, Tim Miller … has been convinced of that for some time. Art Wood, too, I believe.
Pretty soon they are finally going to have the chance to do some exploration, or so it looks at this point. Finally they will have a chance to put this hypothesis to the test.
And either it is confirmed or denied. If Natalee’s body is indeed at the bottom of the offshore waters, I hope they find her remains. If it is not, then they will have to examine some other ideas…. But at least we’ll know.
Wowser…I was NOT impressed at all with “Haunting Evidence” and the three BOZOS who star on the disgusting piece of poop
What a bunch of fakes!!
EG, how old is your link to the video that didn’t work? That’s old news and the reason for Equusearches trip that evidently didn’t happen…
The show left me skeptical, but if it is for real, it confirmed much of what has been speculated on all of this time. One thing that was interesting is that although everything leading up to the beach points to Joran, the rapist described sounds more like Deepak. The psychic said black hair and very dark or black eyes. There was something weird about the eyes that he mentioned too.
I was disappointed in the show. In the previews, the woman psychic said “I know who did this” but she never mentioned any names. The guy gave a description of a perp, who could have been Satish or Depak, but so much has been out there about Natalee and the 3 suspects and Daddy VDS over the past 2 years, it basically was a review of what we already know. I have followed Natalee’s case very closely since the very beginning and I did not learn anything new from this show. I was disappointed.
That being said, some good can come from this: perhaps now perps will start talking, and Natalee will finally be found. And shows like this keep Natalee in the news.
RE: #3….does that link freeze screen while loading w/ anyone else??
Ok so the composite is that on eof the Kalpoes?
You people actually put a lot of stock that this was going to ummmmm solve a crime…..
PPPPPlease. you have got to be kidding me.
I wasn’t impressed with the show last night either. Evertyhing that was said was already known. Natalee was drugged, we already pretty much knew that, Natalee was raped, we knew that, Natalee passed away, we already knew that, someone of influence paid to have her body disposed of, we already assumed that based on the ATM withdrawal. While the description of the person who eventually killed Natalee looks like Deepak, I am not convinced of that. I think the dark hair and eyes is Joran. Paulus took care of the rest. Don’t get me wrong, I think Deepak may have raped her too but I don’t think he killed her. If Deepak killed Natalee, Paulus would not have paid for the K brothers attorney, Paulus would not have made the statement that he would do anything to protect his son, Paulus would not have taken the ATM withdrawal for a pay off etc etc. Paulus and Joran would have hung Deepak out to dry! They would not have gone through what they have gone through. It would have been an easy out for them. Paulus and Joran are your main perps.
Oh and lastly,I still think Natalee was at their house…and was alive at their house for a while. Otherwise, why did Paulus or whoever look up alcohol and drug poisoning or whatever they were looking up? She was there. That is where Paulus finished things.
The composite sketch to me could be ANYbody. It was so generic! Well, ok it could be anybody except Joran. It was any South Americanish person such as Deepak, Jaime or even Michael Dompig just to name of few we are familiar with.
But you know the paranormal folks doing the show had previously seen pictures of all the main suspects from which to ‘see’ a face for a composite sketch. Funny though that the show ‘showed’ a person resembling Joran doing all this aggression, and it had Natalee saying this person killed her, then they end up with a completely different looking person to sketch? Where’s the segway?
It seems to me perhaps the point of the show was to scare someone out of the woodwork. You just lay down a few psychic accusations and someone might get scared at ‘what else’ they know but didn’t say on TV….except they don’t get this show in the Nethelands or…well, do they get it in Aruba?
If I were in charge, here is who I would
sic the Dem0 Krew on…
http://tinyurl.com/23btwt
Joran, Paulus… u should be very glad
I am not in charge. Every person on the island
of Aruba should be wanting to be rid of you
both ASAP, you are sickness
on the size and scale
of the Chronic Bubonic.
—
Happy belated Father’s
Day to you.
-j4n
http://tinyurl.com/2avloz
Rumor has it
Carla saw his hiney…
…and she said it was
not nice and shiny!
(guy on left)
http://tinyurl.com/2cta9c
Looks like Guido to me
Hey Aruba & Nederlands…
Did we ever get to the bottom
of what spawned these awful comments
about Natalee recently made by Joran?
mag interview w/ J
http://tinyurl.com/2bgegf
-j4n
#10 / #13 – The link works for me, I just tested it again. The link is from Fox news yesterday and it is under the heading ‘ Playing Natalee ‘. IT was an interview with the 17 year old young lady that portrayed Natalee in Haunting Evidence. As she is being interviewed, there are several messages on the bottom of the screen. The first is the one that says that Equusearch stated that Natalee is in a metal container in the bottom of the sea. The next says that EQuusearch is returning in two weeks to search the location.
The interview was aired last night.
I watched the show, and did not think Carla was describing Deepak or Satish, I thought she definitely thought Joran did it. The other one, Jim(?), described someone who sounded like Deepak or Satish. I did not think they necessarily agreed on who the perp was.
I wanted to go to Woods Hole, Cape Cod and have one of their marine scientists lend their submarine with cameras and look at the area where John remote viewed off the beach of the Fishermans Hut… and placed his pencil at the back of the map ~ it showed up offshore ~ either there where he viewed the rocks ~ Go Equisearch, I pray, you get to return to Aruba and search again ~ please ~ Perhaps, they had more to say and it wasn’t shown on television ~ Carla was very upset and it sickened me greatly about the rape and events that followed ~ uugghh…
As a believer,in Jesus Christ ~ I have very mixed feelings about psychics ~ however, many have solved cases ~ we all want this case solved and Natalee found ~ and the perps prosecuted and justice served for Natalee and her family ~
Let’s continue to pray God for the Holy Spirit to intercede in this investigation, for the case to be solved, for continued strength for Natalee’s family ~ for those with-holding information to come forward…
(why haven’t the Kapole Bros., been offered witness protection?)… that’s what I’d like to know ~ get them off the Island and make them or let em talk ~ can’t our Government intervene there??? Why haven’t Carlo’s and Charlie’s bar been further investigated?… many questions, few answers…
let’s just all continue to pray ~ pray ~ pray~!
Some of the show is just that, show. But it does keep Natalee in the news, makes J2K and Paulus sweat a little more. Just keep tightning the screws, someone is bound to talk. Pity is this thing should have already been solved, Beth has had to live a life of Hell while Aruba gave all of us the bird. In the end, the bird of paradise will fly up their noses in Aruba. There was enough drama in the show to raise some eyebrows, look out Joran they will be coming for you.
I think Freddy was there. Kalpoes didn’t pick up Joran at the beach, Freddy did. He lives close by to Joran and is his best friend. If you look up Aruban Who’s Whos Freddy was arrested, as it states, having intercourse with someone unconscious.The face may be a combination of Joran and Freddy.
In the promo it stated that Carla was willing to name names. It did not say she going to. Some information may not be available to us, just yet. But has been transferred to the investigation.
Dear #11..yeah,,,but what if “dark” eyes meant “evil” eyes? THAT would point to the beloved Urchin!!
Brenda
What is weird about the eyes, is that Joran’s right eye always looks lazy after he has been drinking. There always shifty and they are dark.
The show was pretty much what i expected. No revelations. But it does keep the case in the publics eye.
I didn’t see the show, and don’t think psychics know any more than any of the rest of us (just my view).
But a friend of mine who did see it said it was very powerful and disturbing, and she couldn’t stand to watch it again.
If the show were successful in imparting to viewers this feeling, it can only help rekindle interest in and outrage about the case … and the Aruba cover-up.
And that will help prompt more people to boycott Aruba until we get answers, convictions, and punishment.
And in that sense, the show would be worthwhile.
Relating again to the eyes, I think what he sees he is amblyopia. Known as lazy eye. Sometimes it’s normal. Under the influence of alcohol and trauma the eye becomes lazy. Initially can be brought on by the use heavy drinking. They are describing Joran.
Well, the show provided more action than we’re seen in a while. It was a message to the Aruban government and the ALE, we know what you know. Now do something about it. We’re all watching.
They weren’t there to harm the Arubanese.
Is everybody forgotten the gardener … the gardener who testified in an Aruban Court and … identfied Joran and Deepak as the persons sitting in Deepak vehicle at 2:30 AM on the morning that Natalee Holloway went missing.
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=271
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Beth Twitty
CNN LARRY KING LIVE
February 23, 2006
TWITTY: … Deepak panicked. He panicked when the gardener gave that testimony. That very afternoon, he called an Aruban girl to help him establish an alibi. She, in turn, panicked. She called FBI. She dialed the 1-877-NATALEE number and told them that she did not want to be involved in this.
Relating again to the eyes, I think what he sees he is amblyopia. Known as lazy eye. Sometimes it’s normal. Under the influence of alcohol and trauma the eye becomes lazy. Initially can be brought on by the use heavy drinking. They are describing Joran.
Comment by Brie | June 21, 2007, 11:18 am
…
Yes Brie.
Also, it don’t help when yer sweathog of a mum
is pregnant with you, & massively
‘power squats’ on your head… falling flat on
the ice trying to do a “triple lutz.”
I am sure that didn’t help his IQ any, nor his
eyeball alignment.
LOL
I think Carla was describing the three perps.
Who was in the bar? Who had the car? All the same we know. I wanna know who it is that is ready to crack? Then go after him, just get it done, unless he is the kid with the powerful daddy, too?
Guess what folks…nothing will come out of this fiasco either
The only hope of this crime ever being solved is if TES finds that metal container off the coast of Aruba. Only then will the boys spill their guts and practically fall all over themselves to tell the truth…
I thought the show was very interesting and I believe that Carla and Jim saw more visions of what happended and were passed on to the investigators and not filmed for the public to view on last nights show.
They made it clear as to Joran and the father being the killer/disposal of Natalee’s body. Then the picture that Jim had of the other person involved looked like Deepak to me.
I thought it VERY interesting how Jim pointed to the area on where he thought Natalee was in the ocean and it turned out to be the same place investigators had been looking at.
Stay tuned…Joran, Paulus and 2K’s and others will be caught and put behind bars….I believe that.
If you ask me, they described Deepak. Not that they really know any more than anyone else.
Richard, it WAS powerful and very disturbing… having watched the other episodes ~ this one was riviting more so than others ~ Carla was overwhelmed, so much so, she had to stop several times to get the courage to go back to the Fisherman’s Hut beach area and go through with impressions of what happened that night to Natalee… when she shared about the impressions ~ she was actually physicaly sickened by it ~ her experience “her stomache was killing her” then describing her rape, I myself was horrified ~ all I thought was how awful Natalee felt being sickened by the poisen in her body from the drug given her ~ Joran and whomever else being there and whomever taking advantage of this beautiful girl and that in itself sickened me ~ then for Joran(to write a book even about describing such, is sick).. who’d want to boast about what he did to that young woman??? What I don’t get is, leaving her on the beach when she became unconscous ~ whomever, should have summoned help immediately… but they did not… she might of lived ~ What the hell was the drug they gave her? We all want to know? I want to inform my nieces to educate them that there are monsters like this out there preying on beautiful young girls and it happens everywhere ~ anybody know the answer to that, please let us know… was it XTC?
Rape is not about the sex ~ it’s about Power and control ~
Let’s see Justice for Natalee ~ she was someone’s beloved daughter, sister, friend, cousin, Auntie, room mate ~ a beautiful child of God… bless her ~ it is so, so, sad.
How about these preditors ~ how many other girls was this done to? Only cowardly monsters would drug induce a girl to obtain sex ~ for power ~ chicken… cowardly chicken ~ it’s so disgusting and pure evil.
Although Joran stated he asked Jaime to go first; Jaime said he was working the next day and would not take Joran to C and C’s. No one evr mentioned what kind of car Jaime drives. Isn’t he studing one of the hotel courses?
Take any picture of Jaime, convert to gray scale and compare it to the composite. What do you see?
#ll, that could have been diffusion in order to counter any lawsuits by pjvds. which ever family sues, they can say it was enough like the other one to have been him they were referring to. there won’t be anymore easy lawsuits for the worms.
dennisintn
Remember, stranger things have happened like in the Laci Peterson case…her body (part of it)floated to shore. The creatures in the sea did not get it…Scott was found out to be guilty. In Natalee’s case if they put her in that crab iron basket, I would think that they could eventually find her. There must be some type of sonar system to detect the basket at the bottom of the sea?
Eventually, this case will be solved and the guilty put behind bars…
Who knows, maybe Carla and Jim’s search for Natalee part two may eventually surface if nothing transpires by Aruba down the road and it might be very damaging to some of the high officials involved in hiding this crime…
Maybe that is why Carla feared for her life…in the previews to this filming she saw who the guilty ones were and could name each and everyone of them.
She did say one will crack/talk and I do believe that.
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/6/21/local/news3.php
Seems to be about Lorenzo van Rijn…and the word drugs (drogas) is mentioned ….can we get a translation?!
All you gotta know about Carla Baron is this:
Sorority Babes in the Slimeball Bowl-O-Rama
This is one of the movies she acted in before becoming a psychic. You can’t make this stuff up.
Guido was the first name that popped in my head also…. Knocking off at 0230, wonder if the packer didn’t go looking for Natalee and Joran himself, prolly knew exactly where to find them….extensive video coverage from several casinos up and down the strip….all he needed was to be told. And what to do! I wonder iffn this is one of those times the script got flipped…..(Heavy Battery)One of our lil (Lion cubbies) maybe.
—-”Mary rolled into the maze to play with Lions but it was not a game”—-
-Anyone recall the specific charges brought up against Guido
Wever.
JUST GOT AN EMAIL THAT LORENZO WAS BUSTED FOR MARIJUANA, IS THAT TRUE?
The reason I ask: Guido’s lawyer and family went out of their way to tell us he was a homosexual….so what, he had never been implicated in any sexual crimes against Natalee or anyone else…. so were they trying to explain away an assault on Joran and not Natalee?… groundwork for a defense maybe…. I wonder if Guido didn’t beat the crap out of Joran, thus, (Heavy Battery)
Well, Joran is still guilty. Disappointed not hearing about the shoe. What bothered me is the pic didn’t look like Jorans
over-sized big empty head. Joran is a psycho, that is a fact
for that alone he needs to be put down before he harms more. I also believe he is a murderer and Paulass is of the same moral stature.
Money will buy your way out of jail in Aruba it seems and also blind Dutch detectives.
Damn the stench of TROLL is becoming heavy lately.
Guildo drove a white Nissan Sentra…a white car pulled along side of the Kalpoes when leaving Carlos n Charlie’s. He left Aruba abruptly several weeks after Natalee’s disappearance.
His parents say he is gay. Probably a lie, he’s bisexual like all the rest.
Guildo also worked as a coupier at the Excelsior Casino
Freddy worked at Champion’s Bar at the Marriott
Joran was seen at the pool at the Holiday Inn, several times
#33, Janet
Remember the gardner disappeared? Guess who he worked for?
NONE OTHER THAN JULIA RENFRO!!! Coincidence?
And Jaime worked as a pool boy? Does anyone recall this? Shango mentioned a pool boy, didn’t he? Man, I’m having trouble remembering things today! But that’s because I’m a bit excited to post something….
I just spoke with a friend today who has a friend who visits Aruba a lot. The Aruba visiting person said a great place they could have taken Natalee is the Spanish Lagoon. I looked it up and found pictures. It has an inlet like that guy on HE last night drew of a V-like inlet. The guy on HE also mentioned a wall and there is a wall there. The frequent tourist said this is a great secluded place not so easy to find unless you ask a local for directions…southern tip of the island.
One of the pictures is labeled Shadow Place @ Spanish Lagoon and didn’t Shango or one of the copy cats mention something about shadows?
Anyway, here’s the link to the pictures I found. I wonder if this area has been checked out?
http://www.shutterstock.com/cat.mhtml?searchterm=spanish+lagoon&forward=1
#54…not sure…it says there is waist deep snorkeling there…perhaps too shallow.
Brie, but maybe she’s not in water?
This is Jaimie’s June 17th statement. Joran called him between 4 and 7 and asked him if he wanted to meet some American girls at Carlos N Charlies.
On May 29th 2005, between the hours of 16.00 (4pm)and 19.00(7pm), I was called by Joran on my mobile phone with the phone number “xxxxxxx”. Sometimes Joran calls me on the mobile phone of my sister, her name is “Maria del Pilar CARRASQUIXIA CACERES”. Her calling name is “Pilar”. The mobile phone number of Pilar is “xxxxxxx”. The mobile phone number of Joran is “xxxxxxx”. Joran had asked me whether I wanted to go out with him that night. He told me that a few American girls would go to “Carlos & Charlies” and whether I wanted to meet up with him there. According to me I had said to Joran that I would let him know later that day whether or not I would go out with him that night. I had also said to Joran that I had to work the next day. According to me I was phoned later that day by Joran again but I hadn’t answered my mobile phone. Because it is the vacation now I temporarily work in “Caribbean Overseas”. I work in the big Poolkasten. On May 29th 2005 I stayed home and slept. I went to bed at approximately 22.00 hours.
On May 30th 2005, in the nightly hours, I had not talked to Joran. It is possible that Joran phoned me, but I didn’t answer my mobile phone because I was sleeping. I am sure that Joran did not send me any messages with his mobile phone in the night of May 30th 2005.
Joran’s interview with Greta.. Joran says he called him after 9 or 10 and he said he had to work however Jaimie said he didn’t answer his phone that evening.
VAN SUSTEREN: About what time did you walk out of the Holiday Inn casino for the evening?
VAN DER SLOOT: I don’t remember exactly what time it was.
VAN SUSTEREN: Can you give me an estimate?
VAN DER SLOOT: It was probably 10:00, I think – 9:00, 10:00.
VAN SUSTEREN: And they were already gone at that point, do you remember?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, they were sitting in a bar behind the casino.
VAN SUSTEREN: And where did you go when you left the casino?
VAN DER SLOOT: And I called another friend of mine and asked him if he wanted to go out, and he said he had to work the next day, so he couldn’t go out. And at that point, I called my dad and asked him if he could pick me up. And he said he’d pick me up at the McDonald’s, so I walked over to the McDonald’s, where he picked me up and took me home.
VAN SUSTEREN: So it’s a cell phone call to your house.
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, a cell phone call to my house.
VAN SUSTEREN: Any reason why the McDonald’s? Did you get something to eat or…
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, because I wanted to get something to eat, too. I hadn’t eaten anything. So I got something to eat at the McDonald’s.
VAN SUSTEREN: How far is the walk from Holiday Inn to McDonald’s, about?
VAN DER SLOOT: Five minutes, probably.
VAN SUSTEREN: So you got to the McDonald’s. Was your father already there, or did you wait for him?
VAN DER SLOOT: No, he wasn’t there yet. I got something to eat, and while I was eating it, he arrived.
VAN SUSTEREN: Any idea what time he arrived?
VAN DER SLOOT: No. Probably 10 minutes after I called him, 20 minutes after I called him.
VAN SUSTEREN: At the point where you called him, were you intending to go to Carlos and Charlie’s at that point? Had you made up your mind?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, I’d made up my mind that I was going to go there, and I’d also made up my mind that I wasn’t going to tell him that I was going to go there because I know he would have said no. He would have said that I couldn’t go. So I had made up my own mind that I was going to go out without him knowing.
VAN SUSTEREN: How were you going to do that? Did you – at that point, had you called anybody else besides the one friend that turned you down?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes. Then walking – when I kept walking, I called Deepak and I asked him if he wanted to go out. And he said, Sure. Sure, I’d like to go out. I don’t have to work the next day until 3:00 in the afternoon, so of course.
Joran’s June 9th, 2005 police statement. He arrived at the tournament at 4 and his father left between 7 & 8.
On Sunday, I do not remember the date any more, I went at approximately 16.00(4pm) hours, to the “Excelsior Casino” at the Holiday Inn Hotel to play “Texas Hold’m poker”. (with this the suspect is talking about May 29th 2005). I went with my father named “Paul van der SLOOT” to the casino. I went to play “Texas Hold’m Poker” with my father. It is a poker game in which you get 7 cards and you have to make a card combination with your best (5) cards. You get 500 U.S. $ of fake money and with this money you play. I was done sooner than my father and I went and hung around in the casino. When it was half time of the game my father wanted to go home to go and babysit my ten year old brother. At my father’s request I sat in for him and played “Texas Hold’m poker. I am not sure as to when half time was but I think it was between 19.00(7pm) and 20.00(8pm) hours.
Joran’s Greta interview..above his father left at halftime, between 7 -8, Joran then went and finished the poker tournament and then on to blackjack, where he met the girls, which would be after 8. However above Jaimie says Joran called him about the girls between 4 and 7, while Joran’s father was still at the casino with him and he had not met Natalee and her friends yet.
VAN SUSTEREN: Take me back to May 29. Do you remember when you first saw Natalee?
VAN DER SLOOT: I remember – I remember when I first saw her. I went there, I went to the casino, the Excelsior casino at the Holiday Inn, to play a free poker tournament. I remember walking in there and sitting at a – playing a – first playing a poker tournament, then afterwards, when I was done, going to a blackjack table and sitting down. And I remember her and her friends coming up to the table. They sat down. They wanted to play blackjack.
I believe you are 100% correct Maggie. Joran and the girls were at the Black Jack table approximately 9:00PM…. Joran supposedly wasn’t even aware of them going to C&C’s yet so how does Jaime get a call between 4:00PM-7:00PM saying I’ve met some girls blah blah, do you wanna go? This did not happen like this……People are lying! The Kalpoes were his ride all along!
Great catch, Maggie! So who is lying, Jaime or Joran?
I say Joran, of course.
And all that crap about him not wanting daddy to know this and that…that’s BS too since Daddy was fully aware his sporter had been gambling/drinking/slutting around/beating up people/throwing people off bridges/taking girls to his apartment/etc for years! And Daddy said nothing…always bailed the little juvie out. You just know when ‘something bad happened’ daddy was the first one delicious sporter called to bail him out again. And Joran didn’t bat an eye worrying daddy might clip his wings over it. He knew daddy would make it so he could run free to do whatever his sociopathic narcissitic heart desired all the while free of getting in trouble for it.
Everybody knows who made Natalee go missing. All they need is to find a body so they can get started proving a crime (or 2 or 3)was actually committed. And Paulus knows where she is.
Even though I do not like this Haunting Evidence show on CTV, I watched it anyway. I am glad that the media is still talking about Natalee, even after 2 years. I am always afraid we will lose her in all of the other media hype out there. It also showed me that posters here know EXACTLY what they are talking about(never doubted any of you). It sure does seem to point to the 2 slootbags as the ones involved in this whole mess. As for an earlier poster who said ‘aw shucks’, lemme say this; NONE OF US EXPECTED THIS SHOW TO SOLVE ANYTHING. It did show how this forum is on the right track. Is this show going to be seen in Aruba or The netherlands? Bet there’d be a flood in the N Lands when ol Paulas starts to sweat. Keep up the good work Monkeys.
The sketch looks like Jaime Carrasquilla – or not…but here’s an interesting old post and may explain the fear – why so many gamblers ‘fled’ to the USA and Netherlands:
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/08/natalee_hollowa_62.html
“…Jaime Carrasquilla is the son of a Colombian drug lord! ! !DEA investigate his papa…”
Posted by: Mike | Friday, August 26, 2005 at 11:37 AM
his show really was emotional. I was confused at the end to see the sketch looking more like Deepak than Joran. But if you think about it they are all covering up the truth, so they all have something to hide. The vision of her going in and out of consciousness was something the perps expressed in the early on. It seems to me likely that she was drugged, and became very sick and too weak to fight them off. Joran was likely the first to take advantage followed by Deepak. Carla mentioned Natalees face being pushed into the sand. Maybe Deepak was the second rapist and when she began to vomit he pushed her head into the ground smothering her or causing her to aspirate. Maybe that is when she actually died. Since they are both likely guilty of this crime it makes sense that they all continue to contradict each other. I think they left her there at first and later reconsidered the implications of their being the last to be seen with her. That’s when they got Paulos involved who than concluded that “no body means no crime.” The rest is history. But I did hear that TES was going back to Aruba in two weeks with new equipment to search the ocean and heard Tim saying that she was put in a container which was put in a fish trap. Don’t know how he now knows this but we shall see.
Folks – These people are not psychics. What’s going on here – Have people lost their minds? I know people are desperate for answers but this is absurd.
#59….Jaime or Joran is lying, that’s for certain. One anomoly though….The MB kids statement backs up Joran’s claim, not Jaime’s.
Paula said the second day that Natalee was there she said they (probably 2K’s and Joran) drove by and spotted her, picked her out.
I was wondering if this was ever mentioned on a blog where Natalee’s friends had said this to the ALE?
Sharon, I don’t recall exactly what any MB girls said about Joran with regard to other days than Sunday, but I seem to recall them saying he had been hanging around prior to Sunday and that some had talked to him. This was the time when he supposedly told them he was a tourist and all that mess. I think it was also the time when Natalee was said to have ‘introduced herself’ to Joran. I think some said he was hanging around the pool at the HI too.
In the theory I’m making in my head, I find it likely that Joran knew who was coming for their graduation trip that year. And I find it likely the girls may have unknowingly or knowingly spoken to him online in one of the Aruba Trip chat things or message board.
Teenagers are weird in the way they go online to talk about things they are about to do…such as if they are planning on going to a concert they will go on the band’s message board and ‘get to know routines’ etc. It’s part of the excitement of what they are about to get to do. They ever do it when a sequel to some popular movie is coming out. It’s all about finding out things and being in ‘the know’. So I don’t find it odd to think that at least some of those going on the trip went online to discover Aruba before they went there. It’s sort of like not being a stranger once you get there to already have spoken with others who have been or who live there.
I personally think this is how Joran begins to select his prey. He stalks them online first. And IMO I’d say he doesn’t do it with his real name and I’d bet he does it from Deepak’s Internet Cafe.
This was a story from a student who was there, that says Joran and the Kalpoes had been hanging out around the Holiday Inn where they were staying.
Metro/State l
By DANIEL JACKSON
BIRMINGHAM POST-HERALD
One of the three young men arrested Thursday in the disappearance of Mountain Brook teen Natalee Holloway got into a pushing match with some of her friends in an Aruban bar, one of Holloway’s friends said Thursday.
Bryan Reynolds, 18, one of 124 recent high school graduates who went to Aruba in late May, said some of his friends almost got into a fight with Joran Andreas Petrus Van Der Sloot and his friends.
The scuffle started after Van Der Sloot, a Dutch suspect arrested at his upper-class home in Oranjestad, Aruba, Thursday morning, had been talking to 18-year-old Holloway at a bar where she and classmates hung out during the five-day trip, Reynolds said.
“There was almost a fight between my friend and him,” said Reynolds, who was sitting in his car in the parking lot of Mountain Brook Community Church on Thursday after attending a noon prayer service with his classmates and others. “I had to break them up. That’s when I got a good look at them.”
Van Der Sloot, the son of a Dutch justice official studying at the Aruba International School, and two Surinamese brothers identified by police as Satish and Deepak Kaploe, were arrested Thursday morning, more than a week after Holloway disappeared. The last known people to have seen Holloway, the suspects told police they gave her a ride to her hotel in the early morning hours of May 30, the night she vanished, and never saw her again.
Reynolds said he saw the suspects hanging out at the Holiday Inn where the Mountain Brook High School graduates stayed in Oranjestad. When Holloway went missing, Reynolds said they were the first people he considered as potential suspects.
“That was the first people who came to mind,” said Reynolds, who said Holloway is one of his best friends.
http://www.postherald.com/me061005.shtml
Roy, my take on it was, I believe Joran was planning this long before 10 that night. I think he was watching these girls or Natalee for awhile and waiting to make a move. Didn’t one of the Twitty twins gamble with him or something like that before? I’m sure he could’ve told him when they were leaving Aruba. Winning money back for one girl that night was just another tactic to show,,,see I’m a nice guy, you can trust me. After lying about his age and who he was.
According to a friend of mine who watched the show, the psychic (or one of the others on it) said that Joran and some of his sidekicks, maybe the Kalpoes and maybe not, were in a car some time before May 30 and saw Natalee walking on a road by herself. Apparently she liked to get away from the group from time to time.
And when he saw her, he decided to pursue her.
So according to this, I gather, all the stuff he said about not being interested in her anyway, that he was really after Kathleen or whoever it was, was just more of his lies.
I wouldn’t be surprised if seeing this short, beautiful blond girl did something to get his predator’s mind going. I have always thought that not only was Natalee pretty, that she looked somewhat exotic, out of the ordinary.
One other thing that was on the show that makes a lot of sense to me. Apparently it said that Joran and Natalee were dropped off right at the Fishermen’s Hut. They didn’t have to walk there. The psychic on the show evidently had the impression that only Joran was involved.
I don’t know about that, but it makes a lot more sense to me that if you have a drunken/drugged girl in your car, you’re not going to try to have her walk on beach sand.
We don’t know if they actually did go to the Fisherman’s Hut … I’m inclined to wonder … but IF they did, then it seems sensible to me that they would go there directly. Why risk being seen with her near the Marriott if you have carnal intentions toward her from the outset?
#69. I wonder how, if Natalee was at those FHs, she really did get there. Isn’t The Aruba House near there? The House? Hmmm….rented out for a Rave?(not by Joran because he’s too poor) And Natalee runs from there and then passes out near the huts. That would make better sense to me.
I’m with you on just driving there. I mean if it’s supposed to be a lover’s lane type thing, then why not just go there straight off? Although I have to say….lover’s lane at the stinky nasty looking FH’s? That in itself doesn’t make much sense.
Prolly….but Jaime was specific in that Joran said C&C’s. He(Joran) shouldn’t know that as he supposedly hasn’t talked with the girls yet. Unless Twitty told him, I don’t see how it’s likely Joran knew. Unless things are different than they’ve been told.
Disgustedmom. The internet cafe is plausible but.
Joran goes to school during the day. That is in San Nicolas. He lives in Montana and the cafe is in Orangestad.
How does he get around. He doesn’t drive does he?????
This was a very interesting show! The sketch looks like Guido Wever. I read that his father was a former politician and that he was a dealer at the casino at the Haoliday Inn Natalee was staying at.
Well,I think guido,joran,and the k2′s are guilty.
The sketch looks like many…including guido and Paul Brough. IMO.
well good i am hoping they finally can find her and put these monsters to where they belong and bring peace to her family I really liked the show, I am hoping it will answer our questions
that we all have, we are still praying for her she is in our hearts.
lamanda
OKay guys…now what do you think about this show? The recently aired video tape of Joran’s confession is strikingly similar to what the psychics said!! I was just waiting for something to happen as I thought the psychics account made perfect sense! I told my co-workers at work about it a few months ago and they poo pooed the theory and now I can say “I told you so”! even better, Joran is in deep trouble and I hope he rots in jail! : )
well ,
personally ,
i have a feeling that natalee
was CREMATED , and her ashes
are scattered all over the place ,
which is why nobody ‘ s found her , yet .
but , yeah , this show was dissapointing .
like , majorly .
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