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Paul Van Der Sloot Memory Lapses
On June 23rd 2005, at approximately 14.30 hours, as a suspect, a man was interviewed who stated his name was: Paulus Antonius Petrus Johanna van der SLOOT.
To your question whether Joran went to school on Monday
May 30th 2005, I can state the following. I cannot precisely recollect
whether Joran went to school that day. It is possible that he did not
go to school that day.
Posted June 18, 2007 by Scared Monkeys Aruba, Crime, Joran Van der Sloot, Natalee Holloway, Paul Van der Sloot, WTF, You Tube - VIDEO | 104 comments |
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OMG, just thought I’d check back before going to bed and I see that Klaas has outdone herself. Perhaps PVDS has the beginnings of Alzheimer’s.
Justice for Natalee! Boycott Aruba!
Don’t forget Wed night Court TV 10:00 P.M. The natalee Holloway case !!!
As stories go…This one is … Right on time!
Though not conclusive….sorry for being such a hard sell, a full and complete story is emerging.(For me anyhow)
Priceless!
You have to have a mind to waste it!
Sorry….should explain the hard sell…. Have read over and over that several students reported bruises to Joran’s face on 5-30…. That supposedly coming from Beth, Greta, and Tito Lacle….. Those would all be lies iffn Joran didn’t go to school, so then, which would be incorrect? Again, Werner doth know! A Yes or No answer here can conceivably have Joran stepping out the pot, and into the fire so the memory lapse is understandable….but wrong. Alzheimers my butt…He knows exactly what he’s doing.
THE BEST YET!!
Klass, Igsigs and Tibro
I have not laughed so hard in a long time.
Thank you.
ALWAYS remember….
The one person who has no clear cut timeline for the evening of Natalee’s death is Paulus Van Der Sloot. No one in Aruba, or to my knowledge…the KLPD, have made ANY attempts to establish a timeline for this guy.
He’s your perp.
md
I”m with you on that MD, have been from the first time i saw Paulus & Natalee on that casino video. His statement (the only one i’ve seen) is worse than Jipshit’s!
__________________
Thanks for the reminder buster!
lol mike!
What happen to the invesagation this last one where they searched all three homes? You never hear anything about it any more.
Why is always the same set of people posting here?
__________
SM: Ah, Because they like to … is that really a question?
I find Paulus as appealing as a
mayonnaise pop-cicle!!!
Oh NUMMY.
…
Hey, Paulus…
I guess we’ll be seeing yerr fat a$$, and
your criminal rapist-murderer of a son
on Wednesday night, Court TV @ 10p edt, uh?
HAUNTING EVIDENCE IN ARUBA
BE THAR – or be SKWAR, sugar puss!
-j4n
…
COURT TV NATALEE HOLLOWAY
PROMO COMING
WED AT 10P (6.20.2007)
1 HOUR SPECIAL
………
PROMO A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmuFxahnDsI
PROMO B
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1iHlxaezNk
-Justice 4 Natalee
Let’s hope this will be one of the things shown to an Aruban jury very soon.
Meanwhile, remember that the New Orleans protest is coming up: June 27 to July 1.
No justice for Natalee … no tourists for Aruba.
Paulus Antonius Petrus JOHANNA of the Ditch?
Wouldn’t Mark Twain have had a field day with this name!
#11 Betty,
To your question,
Go to Dana’s June 15 pod cast and listen. This will answer your questions. http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/radio/
Jerry
Richard, Carpe,
What in the world are you guys doing up at 4:30 (my time) in the morning?
Jerry
Lots of news today, but I’ll spare you most of it. Here’s something from Barbados, the Caribbean island where the most recent reported sighting of Amy Bradley that I know of took place. Of course, we know human trafficking is a myth; and they say there’s only “anecdotal” evidence. Seems to me that without trials and convictions, that’s all there is.
http://www.barbadosadvocate.com/NewViewNewsleft.cfm?Record=31465
THERE is possible existence of human trafficking in Barbados.
That’s the belief of the United States (US) Government, which has said as much in its June 2007 Trafficking in Persons Report.
However, while admitting evidence of such was merely anecdotal due to limited available data, the US Department of State urged Government to do more to prevent what it deemed a modern day form of slavery.
Anecdotal information suggests that Barbados may be a source, transit, and destination country for men, women and children trafficked for the purposes of forced labour and commercial sexual exploitation, but there is no evidence yet of a significant number of trafficking victims, said the report to the US Congress.
Some trafficking of minors and prostitution is allegedly facilitated by victims’ families. Uncorroborated reports indicate that women and girls from Guyana, the Dominican Republic, and other Caribbean islands are trafficked to Barbados for sexual exploitation in strip clubs and brothels, as well as for domestic servitude, it added.
According to the report, although there remained a lack of reliable statistical information from either the Government or international organisations, authorities had been proactive with both the prevention of trafficking and prosecution of traffickers.
To be more effective, however, the government should consider drafting and enacting laws to prohibit all forms of human trafficking and develop national procedures for victim protection, including pre-deportation screening of undocumented immigrants for signs of victimisation, it advised.
The document said information suggested some economic migrants may have been deceived by fraudulent offers of legitimate jobs and placed in debt-bonded prostitution after their travel documents were confiscated in Barbados.
It noted too that while Barbados had no law specifically prohibiting human trafficking, existing statues against crimes such as pimping, pandering, illegal immigration and forced labour could be used to prosecute trafficking.
The US said Government had investigated and initiated prosecutions against a small number of alleged traffickers, but there have been no convictions to date.
Anti-trafficking training would assist government officials and law enforcement personnel to identify victims and to provide support. The government is also taking steps to increase public awareness of human trafficking. The Office of Gender Affairs broadcasts several public service announcements to prevent trafficking during the reporting period, the report stated.
Pointing to the current state of affairs in Barbados, the State Department study noted, Barbados provides no legal alternatives to the removal of foreign trafficking victims to countries where they may face hardship or retribution, but there is no evidence that any trafficking victims were deported to such countries during the reporting period. Barbados has not yet ratified the 2000 UN TIP (Trafficking in Persons) Protocol, it noted.
The US Department of State is required by law to submit a report each year to the US Congress on foreign governments’ efforts to eliminate severe forms of trafficking in persons. In the foreword to this, the seventh such report, US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said the issue was an important one that required the full attention of all countries.
Trafficking in persons is a modern-day form of slavery, a new type of global slave trade. Perpetrators prey on the most weak among us, primarily women and children, for profit and gain. They lure victims into involuntary servitude and sexual slavery. Today, we are again called by conscience to end the debasement of our fellow men and women, she said.
And for those interested, here’s a denial by Venezuela (just offshore from Aruba), denying that it is among the WORST offenders for human trafficking. No way, it’s all a U.S. lie, just like the drug trafficking allegations:
http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/news.php?newsno=2329
Just something to think about ….
Paulus Antonius Petrus JOHANNA of the Ditch?
Wouldn’t Mark Twain have had a field day with this name!
Comment by Richard | June 19, 2007, 5:37 am
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most likely his godmother is named Johanna and his godfather is named Petrus. The first name is the name the parents choose, the second name is the name of the family member he is named after and the third and fourth name are often the names of the godparents of the child.
Strategy of the defence in brief:
• JvdS: lie
• PvdS: forget
Just one more … some find it hard to imagine that there could be people so depraved as to engage in this sort of thing. Here’s the story of a woman in China who, apparently, routinely trafficked babies. I know, none of this is evidence in Natalee’s case … I’m just saying that it would be foolish to rule this out.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070619/wl_asia_afp/chinapopulationtraffickingarrest_070619080858
Police arrest woman linked to China baby trafficking
2 hours, 16 minutes ago
BEIJING (AFP) – A woman in China suspected of being involved in the trafficking of 118 baby girls has been arrested after four years on the run, state press reported Tuesday.
Ji Xiulan, believed to be aged in her 60s, had been a fugitive since the trafficking ring was busted in 2003 but was arrested in a village in central China’s Henan province on June 15, the Beijing Times reported.
Ji was suspected of having been involved in buying trafficked babies from southern China’s Guangxi region, the report said.
The 2003 arrest of the ringleaders of the gang exposed a network of trafficking in baby girls that spread from Guangxi to Henan, Anhui and Hubei provinces in central and eastern China, the report said.
The case broke when police found 28 drugged and tied-up baby girls — none over three months old — in bags on board a bus bound for northern cities. One of the babies died while being smuggled, reports at the time said.
In July 2004, 54 people from Yulin city in Guangxi region were convicted of trafficking 118 girls between 2001 and 2003.
Two people from Yulin were sentenced to death over that case and more than 100 outside Guangxi were convicted, of whom at least one was executed, state press reports at the time said.
The case has been linked to China’s “one child” family planning policy that has sharpened traditional values preferring boys over girls and leading to many mothers selling or giving away their baby daughters in the hopes of later having a son.
Many defendants in the case refused to admit wrongdoing, insisting they were providing a humanitarian service as many of the trafficked girls went to childless couples in cities, earlier press reports on the scandal said.
LOL Klass, you have done it again!
Looking forward to Carla’s program Wed. evening, I feel that it will prove interesting.
Tina
Because we are not going away, until justice is served and Natalee Holloway is returned, that’s why.
Klaas excellent,
It is surprising to me what he does remember.
He remembers where the ATM is, he remembers that with out a body you cannot have a case. He remembers to refer Satsissy and Deepickle to his lawyer buddies and he remembers their names. He remembers how much money he left at the poker table, he remembers to answer the phone during an interview with Greta.
Paulus needs to remember this….we are here for the long haul.
WE WILL NEVER FORGET…..
this whole thing is such a waste. Just hang the pigs..for goodness sake.
Seems as though he remembered everything when it came to filing a law suit, and winning. Incidentally, Paulus owes the black security guards compensation for his sons lies. They were detained and INNOCENT.
The easiest way to try and get out of anything is to say, I forgot or I don’t remember.
I’m sure the school records has a list of a students attendance.That is, if Anita didn’t doctor those up. Don’t we all know when our children are home, don’t we know when there ill, don’t they need our permission, doesn’t a parent have to notify the school when a child is not attending.
The younger Van Der Sloots(brothers) are in an environment that they need to be removed from. There is way too much danger for them. Arubamanian Devil lives there along with his keeper, Paulus.
Ok do you all think this special tomm. night will be as revealing as its promo says it will be
I thought the court tv thing was serious news updates, not some wacky psychics.
Does JVDS have 4 names?? There was some talk that JVS was his godfather..so if he is named after him it would explain even more why he protected the pervert.
longtime lurker here.
with all the talk of the shoes recently. i was wandering if any of the caged monkeys have reviewed the photos of the shoes that are seen near/ around one of those ponds. i think that early in the investigation, j2k were all concerned about the shoes. freddy even offered to order Joran new ones. anthony carlo questioned freddy repeatedly as to why joran would have left the shoes behind. even anita was worried about the shoes. seeems like the shoes were of great imprtance early in the investigation. i feel like joran kept claiming he had left the shoes at the beach to draw attn away from where he and nat were. which was the pond by raquetball court(where the gardener saw them) and his home. who takes off shoes when they get to the beach. its too much trouble. plus you really dont get that much sand in em if you are wearing shoes. i can see slipping off a pair of flip flops but i dont take my shoes off to take a walk on the beach… esp at 2am.
can klass or another caged monkey post the pics showing the shoes on the bank of that pond and there relation to other places of interest that night?
Richard- perhaps you have missed my name for Paulus.
Paulus Octavius Tiberius Antonius Caligula Van Der Ditch.
Hey,
I heard today that ‘Nita Van der sloot’s
favorite all time song is “Tiny Dancer”
by Elton John…
Ain’t irony, a mother?
—
http://tinyurl.com/229wwt
http://www.myspace.com/carla_baron
-Justice 4 Natalee Ann!
I watched those youtube trailers for Haunting Evidence. I’m really concerned over what the Medium said…that she feels her life could be in danger after the episode airs! I am reminded of the psychic who used to post but quit because she/he said it was too dangerous to post anymore. How deep IS this shit?
to 24.
He also remembered he had other kids at home so he had to leave the casino before Joran.
He remembered that he picked Joran up at McD’s at 23:00, after he remembered that he picked Joran up at McD’s at 04:00.
He remembered that he woke up at 05:45 the next morning.
He can remember that his other two sons went to school that day. (but “cannot precisely recollect whether Joran went to school that day”)
Some links for u:
http://tinyurl.com/yccoXv
http://tinyurl.com/2bhzpy
http://tinyurl.com/2mnzmt
…
THE PICTURES OF THE SHOES
LEFT ON POND BANK BY EMCEE
FRANKEN-TARD. =) Enjoy!
http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l266/californialighthousepics1/shoesmaybe1.png
http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l266/californialighthousepics1/r111pond.png
http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l266/californialighthousepics1/51A024plainshoes.png
http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l266/californialighthousepics1/sportershoes1.png
Waterboy J -
I’m a vampire, brohammus…
4 in the AM is my lunch hour. LOL
Hope all is well in your wourld,
U DA MAN!
-j4n
The shoes, the shoes, the shoes!
I don’t get why Freddie would concern himself with purchasing Joran a new pair UNLESS he was responsible for the shoes going bye bye. People don’t go around replacing things for others unless they feel responsible for them being either ruined or lost.
So now considering that Freddie may have been responsible for the missing shoes, I wonder if Freddie happened to be wearing Joran’s shoes that night? Think about it….
One of Joran’s lies said Joran walked home from the beach. I don’t think he would have bothered to make up this lie had he not been wearing shoes because the lie would have been too easy to disregard.
And the whole thing about him taking off his shoes and setting them down and forgetting them is retarded! No one does this! They carry their shoes.
Then we have way too much being made over Joran wanting someone ‘other than himself’ to go get find the shoes as if Joran himself has no idea exactly where to look for them.
It was said early on that Freddie spent the night in Joran’s apartment May 29-30. Don’t know if that’s true because the controversy starts over when and where Joran first told Freddie what happened the night he went off with Natalee. But since there IS controversy and they can’t get it straight, then perhaps it is because they don’t want to say where and when as in Freddie was in Joran’s apartment that night.
So what if, Freddie went with whomever to go back for Natalee (assuming they had first left her for dead) and didn’t have any shoes so he borrowed a pair of Joran’s? Sure they’d be too big, but they had laces so, so what? In an emergency you make due with what you have.
What though, and for what reason would Freddie have disposed of Joran’s shoes? I guess that a good question for all us Sherlock Holmes’ on here!
Remember, first it was only ONE shoe that was missing? And this missing shoe was what prompted attention to Joran’s shoes in the first place? ALE was all like, where is your other shoe? Why do you have only one?
How about getting your foot stuck in mud suction and it being too big anyway it gets pulled off your foot? I’d entertain a notion that Joran himself may have lost a shoe in a bog, but as the shoe actually fit him, I doubt it would come off very easily. But if that is the case, then perhaps Freddie was not wearing them and only wanted to replace them so Joran would have a PAIR to wear in order that no one become suspicious why he isn’t wearing his Kswiss anymore….a favor for a friend who can’t let anyone know he lost a shoe.
And maybe someone/Freddie/Paulus had them mailed from Florida via his buddy there? did get Joran another pair….recall the story where Joran says he had a new pair he bought when he was in the USA in April 2005?
Oh, but the shoe thing seems to be of the most concern in this case as far as the boys are concerned. They care more about the shoes than anything else or rather at least Freddie cares only that Joran have his shoes replaced at Freddie’s expense. Joran just doesn’t want his shoes out there by themselves somewhere. Very interesting, the shoe thing and I can’t help but think it is more than just evidence being on them because in the beginning it was only one shoe. No one disposes of one shoe if they are concerned about evidence.
#29(Kayjay)..his full name is Joran Andreas Petrus Van Der Sloot…….alias Arubamanian Devil
Anyone see this at RU?
From BFN
June 19,2007
The Boycott
« on: Today at 01:13:11 PM »
Reply with quote
We want to thank every single person who have tried so hard for us to get the answers for Natalee. She did not deserve to be taken away from us and she should be home with us living her life. Your support means so much to us. It is humbling to see how many people from all over the world have embraced Natalee.
We realize some of you will not agree, but as much as we want to know what happened to Natalee, Dave and I no longer support a boycott of Aruba. We thank everyone who did so on our behalf, but it is no longer necessary to do so for Dave or me. We realize it is an individual choice, but please try to see it from our perspective. In our opinion, the boycott has caused a lot of hurt for a lot of innocent people in Aruba who do not deserve that.
We asked a long time ago for ALE to involve Holland with the investigation. That has happened and we have been advised they are still working on Natalee’s case and following up on all leads. They have done what we asked them to do. We have to find out what happened to Natalee and have to have faith that is what they are doing now with the investigation. We will never give up until we find out the truth!
Thank you again for all the support here. Please continue to keep us in your prayers and keep helping us try to find answers for Natalee.
Dave and Robin
________________
SM: Yes, we saw it at BFN. IMO, a boycott is a personal choice and has nothing to do with whether Dave and Robin “approve” of it or not (klaasend)
I think Carla(Haunting Evidence) has pretty much nailed it.
Who did it…the police already know. She knows what she is
going to contribute is poignant. Placing herself in an area of
danger and naming names. She will describe in detail what
happened, this is after she worked the case, there’s nothing
eft to ponder. She is crystal clear on this one..
#28…go soak your socks…your stinking up the place…maybe Tina can help!!
Well, the fur is flying over that post that says it is by Dave and Robin. Emails are running fast and furious.
I’m wondering:
1. What does Beth have to say, if anything?
2. What lies behind it?
On number two, I’m thinking that one of these is likely:
a. They have gotten some kind of message from the Dutch that they are going to move very soon, and that things are all wrapped up. I can’t imagine that they would in fact believe such an assurance, but who knows?
b. They accept the arguments of Tim Miller and Art Wood that they KNOW where Natalee’s body is in the ocean, and that they will find it and bring it back. Again, if they are willing to give up the fight just on an assurance from these people, or from anyone, they are crazy in my view.
c. They have been threatened in some way.
d. The fight has gone out of them, and they are reconciled to letting “the system” do what it can, if anything.
I don’t know what the situation is, of course. Klaasen is right; the boycott is a personal decision. I for one will never go to Aruba.
But on the eve of the New Orleans protest, which has more people than did Boston or Miami, this is at the very least an ill-timed notice. If the family are willing to sit back and hope that things will work out … why should their supporters put effort into projects for them?
I’m signing off bewildered and wondering what comes next.
thanks carpe- where is this pond in relation to other points of interest that night?
Richard
Keep going. If the Holloway Twitty family wanted to curb a boycott of Aruba they would post it here. The post is bogus.
The indicators are too strong to ignore that officials used their positions for non discovery of evidence. That is state sponsored crime in itself. A boycott is the most appropriate way to show Aruba that hiding crime is unacceptable and sets the standard for all travel destinations.
You go boy.
-gutfeeling
Keep up the good work.
As far as Dave and Robin not endorsing the boycott. I can understand that. But the question that I have is, if the boycott is NOT working , why would ppl be hurt?
I am sure that the innocent ppl of Aruba have been a real help to the Holloways.
#37…maybe the concern for the shoes is because there are no shoestrings !!!!!
I still boycott.
I agree with you Allan K. The boycott stops when Beth says it stops.
This video reminds me of the profusely sweating, cowardly pig aka Paulass Van der Sloot running from the media to avoid their questions, etc…
I am shocked at the above letter asking supporters of the family to give up on the boycott. Sorry, but if it were so, I’d have to pass…
BOYCOTT ARUBA AND HOLLAND!!
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
I also think the post to remove the boycott is bogus…I don’t believe it would of been done that way…I think we lifted up a bunch of rocks.!!! Remember, if they crawl out from under a rock, step on ‘em. For they mean to cause you harm.
I do not think the Twitty’s or the Holloways would call off the boycott unless what they have is sound proof. Natalee’s body and those responsible.
Threatened…naw…that wouldn’t stop them
They haven’t come this far to give up.
Call off the boycott…the media would of covered that one
#12…that’s probably Anita….thunder thigh’s
I do think we need to let the Dutch do what is necessary. Per Jossy, what the Dutch are doing is serious. I understand the forsenic team has left but there are still those behind working with investigators. Here’s hope and closure for all who love Natalee and want to see justice served.
Let Dave come on the tube and announce it on air. Gutfeelings are seldom wrong and this just doesn’t seem legit. We are almost obligated to continue the boycott so that atrocities perpetrated on unsuspecting tourists will not continue to happen. The ads on TV are not working and costly so they are trying a new route. Not going to work.
Boycott til someone is locked up and Natalee is laid to rest in the good ole USA.
Aruban’a are masters of the bait and switch & has had many many decades to perfect their scams & smooth talking to wide-eyed visitor’s. Its no suprise at all that they would convince themselves that they can wear down the family at its weakest link. (no offense to Robin).
Guess What Aruba…
ITS NOT GOING TO WORK
WE CAME TO SHUT YOU DOWN BOO!
And NO bogus (i think) internet post is going to change that for you.
53. The ads on TV are not working and costly so they are trying a new route. … Chris
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Chris … you hit the nail on the head!
Dave and Robin Holloway are being used to further an Aruban agenda. They need to wake up and align themselves with those who have no underlying motive other than … JUSTICE FOR NATALEE.
As for Paulus and Anita, there is alot of responsibility resting on your shoulders. Look how you’ve raised Joran. You know he is psychopath. But yet you turned your back. Permissive parents because you didn’t want to deal with the situation. Gambling at 16 years old, drinking underage, staying up and out all night, whether or not there was school the next day, not knowing if and when he goes to school, and apartment of his own, to go and come as he pleases, killed the family pet, beats up on his younger brothers, Paulus sends him off to college with a portable cd and disc’s of pornography. Anita dresses disrespectfully and refers to Joran as a delicious sporter. Joran wears make-up and lipstick. It’s probably even sicker than this.
There are young children involved and probably need to be in some kind of protective custody.
I too believe that the boycott is thoroughly justified. I’m just wondering what caused Dave and Robin to make this post at this time (I’ll assume the post is genuine).
All sorts of ideas are running through my mind.
Seems clear that someone is playing on their fundamentally decent nature, and indirectly giving us a compliment … before this, Aruban hacks who posted here were saying the boycott didn’t amount to anything. They still do.
Now, it seems, they have been wailing to Dave and Robin that it is SO effective that “innocent” Arubans are being harmed.
In my view … if Arubans aren’t happy with the fall in tourism, and consequently with their incomes, let them go to their government and demand a solution to Natalee’s case.
If they can’t be bothered to do that … then WHO IN HELL CARES ABOUT THEIR WAILING AND WHINING?
We owe Aruba NOTHING. And for Dave and Robin Holloway, needless to say, that is especially true.
Anyway, I don’t know ….
MARCH ON WITH THE BOYCOTT !!!!!! JUSTICE FOR NATALEE !!!!!!!
Forget the stink holes>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
hey chris!
I think you’re right on that the tv ads arn’t working but the boycott is!
So Simple
Find Natalee, Boycott Over
Yeah…..if they boycott hurts so bad get off your proud phat a$$es and do something about it!
Arubans should be appealing to Paulus and Joran. They have contributed nothing to Aruba. All this because of them.
We the American’s, have been your friends and neighbors. Your survival depended our tourism to your island for many, many years. I guess you can cry all you want but it’s not against the Arubanese, unfortunately you live there, it’s your ALE. The way Natalee’s case has been handled is pathetic. How would you feel if it was one of yours? Natalee came as a tourist to spend money, celebrate, have a good time and what did she get in return. You may be sorry but that just isn’t enough. Sticking your heads in the sand, like an ostrich, helped no one. Why should we want to send more American’s? It’s not safe !!!!!!!!!! And we’re not coming !!!
I wouldn’t be surprised if the letter from Dave and Robin is real. If so, I wouldn’t be surprised if the timing did have something to do with y’all’s New Orleans/Miami thing. And I know hardly anyone if anyone here will agree with me, but I do think sometimes while people appreciate all the help they can get, sometimes they don’t want to back certain methods over which they don’t have direct control and so would feel like they needed to pretty much ‘put a disclaimer’ on their being seen as being behind it….you know, so in case anything gets out of hand they won’t be responsible.
You know people have been arrested for protesting, right? If it’s not done by rules set forth for protesting it is called enciting a riot. And you don’t know who might get angered and start some crap at your rallies and what might go down. I’m sure that is not anyone’s intention, but this is a hot topic for lots of people who might just show up to counter you and on that possibility alone I would think Dave might not want his name on it so to speak…and Dave as I see him is a pacifist, not a warrior, so, there you have my opinion. I think it could be real.
Its not just the money Aruba is losing each and everyday that they miss, the boycott has severely shrunk the numbers of potential female victims that they can drug & rape. Pickens are slim these days for all the predator’s skulking arround on that ugly rock.
SM: Yes, we saw it at BFN. IMO, a boycott is a personal choice and has nothing to do with whether Dave and Robin “approve” of it or not (klaasend)
…..
ABSO-FRIGGIN’-LUTELY.
& # 2
I’ll ONLY believe it when I hear the words come directly
out of Dave’s mouth on network television, not a
minute sooner.
#3 Even if they stopped supporting the BC, it
wouldn’t change my thoughts & treatment
of RAPE-RUBA Island.
Not a bit. -j4n
thanks carpe- where is this pond in relation to other points of interest that night?
Comment by reed | June 19, 2007, 4:52 pm
….
No prob. Shoes were on the bank of the pond,
which is roughly a football field away from
the Marriott Hotel… I believe. The shoes
were a stone’s throw away from the thing that
appeared to be a body wrapped in plastic,
dropped down in a water basin. (near eedge of road)
MARCH ON WITH THE BOYCOTT !!!!!! JUSTICE FOR NATALEE !!!!!!!
Forget the stink holes>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Comment by Brie | June 19, 2007, 7:23 pm
…
Brie
YEAH BUDDY! … and drop it like it’s hot!!!
I meannn… give them the mercy they gave ol’ Natalee!
> (none)
BOYCOTT ARUBA
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Keep up the great work, Richard!
#37…maybe the concern for the shoes is because there are no shoestrings !!!!!
Comment by Brie | June 19, 2007, 5:47 pm
To Brie,
There are thousands of uses for shoestrings. In desert survival training the uses are countless. To a kidnapper shoestrings are so useful they are a tax deduction, just like duct tape.
Jerry
#6 Roy,
You’re right, Paulus is diabolical. Every thing he says is calculated to hide or disguise something else. A young girl from Alabama kicked Joran’s big, wide, butt. I would have loved to given Natalee 10 minutes of instruction on how to use a 51/2 foot piece of hickory, and made sure she was able to use it on those who needed it the most. For sure, Joran would not have gone to school the next day or the next or college the next fall. Instead of bruises, it would have been broken bones, torn ligaments, and skull fractures. His name would have been the “toothless wonder” forever more.
Jerry
I agree ALan I will continue to advise everyone not to go to Aruba. A year later Dave’s book is replaced with the name of a new father?, looking for his daughter in Aruba, haven’t seen one thing, that it would be any different than Natalee’s case. No one should have to face what Natalee and her family has had to face, when they are invited tourists and spend their money. They need to know there will be a competent, and caring police force on duty.
Instead of a whining chief of police blaming the mother for early arrests, one complaining about his frosted flakes and coffee, and refering to women in the slang for bitch, telling the family they thought she would turn up in a crack house, go have a beer, but you might be drugged, how much money do you have, we are sick of this case, I won’t rule out in the future shutting the mother up, a prosecutor who refuses to talk to the victims, paid people to go out and slander the victim and her family and citizens who went out and protested against a mother looking for her child, Renfro telling the Twitty’s they found Natalee’s body and then leading them to where it was suppose to be, statements of one confessed something bad happened, statements of I believe she’s dead, I’ve seen the evidence you haven’t, going out to arrest 2 security guards even after they knew the first night Joran lied them about not knowing Natalee and they watched the security cam to see Natalee didn’t return, standing by while a failed judge in training and who worked for the govt, has his son gambling and drinking beside him and doing nothing, Joran possessing a VIP pass to Carlos n Charlies to show he’s age and nothing being done to either. After all if those 2 laws were enforced that night ,, Joran would’ve been nowhere near Natalee. How could anyone feel safe sending their child to this place?
Everyone I have brought this up to about Aruba, first thing they say is that those 3 did it and the father used his influence to cover it up. They also say they won’t go there.
The message from Dave and Robin might an attempt to save their marriage/sanity who knows. Certainly this crime against their family has taken its toll.
Maybe they’ve decided to cut their losses and forgive and forget. I don’t know, that’s not in my nature.
This incredible injustice wrought upon this family by Aruba is unfathomable. I’m not sure how I’d deal with the loss of a child to animals like the Van Der Sloots. I’d find a way to take them down some how some way. Yet I respect the Holloway position of forgive and forget.
#70….Go Maggie…and just think we are here, reading about all of it and sharing the grief in hearts, Natalee, Beth, Dave, and Jug actually lived it.
There’s a dark cloud over Aruba. Blackened by the evil that lingers over the island.
They stalk at night, looking for victims to appease there sick , sad, sadistic life. Pimps, that’s putting it mildly.
Hey IndyDan…..its not in my nature either as you all can prolly see i pop off quite abit but my passion for whats right and whats wrong keeps me coming back.
Indy Dan I am a firm believer in Forgive and Forget also. First the person has to admit, what they did, not play mind games and insult me and then go out and say Fok die Bietch.
Does this sound like a person with a heart who is remorseful? I have seen no remorse at all. He has repeatedly insulted Natalee and her family, so has his family and the Kalpoes.
Am wondering if anyone has an email address for Dave Holloway…I think maybe he would respond if he really wants the boycott stopped.
The message is posted on AlCom Natalee Holloway Forum also.
Maybe someone who posts there will contact Dave.
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SM: We have contacted Dave about the letter (klaasend)
Maggie
Couldn’t agree more. Their actions speak volumes .
Mayan_moons
Always been on the same page with ya.
#71…I don’t think this is a case of cut their losses and forgive and forget. Dave is not going to forget, go to Carlos n Charlie’s have a beer…Dave isn’t going to forget, digging in the dump while more garbage was being piled on top…Dave will never forgive the loss of his child…as the years go by you try and find a way to survive and cope…but in this case there is no forgiveness.
The crowning blow of all, how much money have you got. (There’s a price for my daughter) That in itself represents human trafficing !!!!!!!
And let’s not forget Amy Bradley…the cruise ship stopped in Aruba, crew members wanted her to go with them and have a drink at Carlos n Charlie’s. Amy stayed with her family, but the next morning she was missing. Amy was already targeted.
WHo could blame them for being tired, look how horrid Aruba has treated Natalee & Beth & Dave, i guess i was alittle naive coz i didn’t know people could be so evil till these animals led Natalee away.
#72, i’m with you on this, maggie. imo, i’ll stop talking about this case when natalee has been returned to alabama, and justice has been served in her case. way too many people on aruba have defiled natalee’s memory and accused natalee’s family of way too many things for me to ever feel comfortable doing business with them. i don’t even want to rub elbows with the kind of people i’d meet on the flight over there and back who condone those kinds of actions.
dennisintn
Thanks IndyDan!
I’m still picking up my jaw over Jurine writing about his mental institution plea deal with VanStratten. This guy is still a danger……even more so now that he’s had to hold it in for 2 years. I feel its just a matter of time till he hurts somebody again.
again, imho, paulus’ memory isn’t as bad as his answers above would indicate. paulus was just evading the questions because if he told the truth, jvds would be incriminated in natalee’s disappearance.
dennisintn
Forgive and forget has it’s boundaries. I think this case has stepped way beyond any of that.
I’m sorry but I do not have any forgiveness for the kidnapper, the rapist or the murderer. Oh, you can include the drug dealers too.
DisgustedMom (#63) … I think it’s OK to say here that in planning the Boston event, and in working with the people who ran Miami and who are running the New Orleans events, I did get messages from a certain person (given what we’re talking about here, you’ll figure out who that is) telling me to make sure that we obeyed the law, above all things.
And we have done just that. The head of the Boston police who was in charge of the convention said that we were a great group … and that he sympathized with our stance. He took our literature and read it. We had no trouble whatever, other than a dirty look from the guy who seemed to be the head of the Aruban delegation when I first arrived, and even some of the Arubans said “Good morning” to us.
(On the first day or two, some of them confessed to my colleagues at the event that their government was hopelessly corrupt. Later on they clammed up.)
So we never gave any cause for concern on that front.
#40…you can find this article under Haunting Evidence, Natalee Holloway.
Carpe and Richard…you guys do a tremendous job. Death and abduction are major crimes against our young people. It’s people like you that make a difference. Thank You
Maggie i remember Dave out in the sea pulling that barrel out……and the landfill with no help from Aruban Official’s. There was media from arround the world came to Aruba and we were all watching Aruba blow it!
The last I heard of Dave H. was on an interview
in late April or May. I distinctly remember him saying
that May 30th was not a day he was going to ‘memorialize’
just yet… he said “this case is far from over, for me.”
…
I kinda doubt he would forgive ARUBA so quickly
when…
1. He still doesn’t have ANY answers of what happened
to his daughter.
2. No contrition whatsoever from the gang-raping
murdering Van der sloot family of predatory
carnivores… or ARUBA, an island which allows the
Van der sloots and Kalpoes to stalk the island
until this very day.
That makes Aruba an island of enablers. I am
sorry, but I cannot separate the people from
the Government. Any soul that would allow their
Govt. to get away with that, has no conscience
or soul. The worst thing a human being could
do in this case is to stand by and DO NOTHING!
Going to ARUBA is like contracting a bad case of
TB, or the good old Black Vomit Plague.
The Van der sloots are a terminal disease. From their
brains is where they bleed! – Red Hot Chili Peppers
ALSO-
3. How could anyone forgive a country that would actually
work to slow your loved one’s murder investigation?
Dragging feet… not allowing independent searchers
using donated resources to get the job done, like when
Aruba refused to act on some key moments of the
investigation.
FORGIVE? Not yet, now way, no how…
No sir, 4 GIVE UP ON THIS!
(u should see where I’m pointing)
-j4n
Richard, I don’t think Dave is worried about the conduct of those boycotting Aruba and their behavior at the events. We’re not stupid.
My only thought is, he knows something we don’t.(YET)
But be what it may, Aruba remains unsafe and we need to continue to protect and educate our young American’s. You continue on with your good work we’ll continue on with our support.
Natalee, a victim of the date-rape drug, could of been an attempt to abduct and it failed. Natalee fought back.
Hey Carpe!
I see you’ve been working hard on the video’s friend, you guys are doing a wonderful job! Thanks for sending them to me!
Birds of a feather i guess for i cannot allow the people to just blame their government & not take one iota of personal responsibility for anything…
Not Gonna Happen
Well Richard, if the Arubans, at the event, said there government is corrupt, that means dishonest, evil, so how can they try an promote tourism. What do they think, we got big holes in our heads?
I think Paulus was in on the party. He also raped Natalie and was on the boat when her weighted body was thrown into 800 feet of water.
I can certainly respect Dave’s request if it is truly from him and I will reserve that opinion until you hear from him personally, BUT this now has become a case against all American tourists who have been to Aruba and travel elsewhere. I have been lucky enough to meet and speak with Beth and I surely did not see that kind of forgive and forget attitude in her eyes. I truly know that if Dave can forgive and forget then he is a bigger man than me because if was my daughter I would not give a crap about anybody over there until they stood up and did what is humanly correct. The point is not that the terrible thing has happened but the stance the Aruban government has taken about this. Luckily this did not happen to my daughter so I cannot say for certain how I would react at this point but I do know that I would not (at this point) EVER FORGIVE OR FORGET! As always,I pray for a conclusion to this travesty for the family. May God give them comfort and peace knowing they will see their daughter in heaven and not have to see the VDS family.
#69 Jerry…. Diabolical? Maybe, I don’t know…Never gave him that much credit. As much coaching as he’s been credited for giving J2K, I doubt even he would have understood the importance of dodging some of these questions…judge or not…. I’m sure he had some coaching himself. I don’t pretend to know whether Joran did or did not go to school that day because of statements I’ve previously mentioned but I do think I see it’s importance……. This is most definitely an easy point to prove if the desire to do so was there. In the past, I’ve been very critical of the obscurity of some of those statements….maybe now I understand why. Thanks as always!
Any chance Court TV is going to put this episode of Haunting Evidence on their site? Does anyone know?
Carpe. Or are you going to put it on your the YouTube-CarpeVision-site? In that case thanks in advance cause I’m very curious what this psychic has to say on what happened on Aruba. (We allready know who did it btw…)
Meanwhile, this is in the news today … looks like the Caribbean and Latin American area lead the world in human trafficking according to this official. (No documentation.)
If Tim Miller and his people find Natalee’s body in the water, as no doubt they’ve persuaded Dave Holloway that they will, then this scenario is wrong. But if not ….
http://www.antara.co.id/en/arc/2007/6/20/one-two-million-people-become-victims-of-human-trafficking-annually/
06/20/07 13:18
One-two million people become victims of human trafficking annually
Manado, North Sulawesi (ANTARA News) – One to two million people worldwide became victims of human trafficking annually, according to a minister.
Of the number, most were from Southeast Asia, namely 225,000 while 150,000 others were from South Asia, Woman Empowerment Minister Meutia Hatta Swasono said here on Tuesday.
The number of human trafficking victims in East Europe reached around 75,000, in Latin America and the Caribbean region about 100,000, and in Africa 50,000, the minister said.
Most of the victims were sent to Asia, Middle East, West Europe and the United States, she added.
Woman trafficking was an organized transnational crime, in addition to human smuggling, illicit drug trafficking and arms smuggling, she said.
In Indonesia, transit points in the human trafficking activity included Medan (North Sumatra), Batam, Tanjungpinang, Lampung (Southern Sumatra), Jakarta, Pontianak (West Kalimantan) and Makassar (South Sulawesi).
Many Indonesian female victims of human trafficking were from North Sumatra, West Sumatra, South Sumatra, Jakarta, West Java, Central Java, East Java, Bali, West Kalimantan, East Kalimantan, South Sulawesi, and North Sulawesi.
Their destination areas included North Sumatra, Riau, South Sumatra, Jakarta, Central Java, Yogyakarta, East Java and Bali.
Most of the female victims were forced to work as prostitutes.
Paulus is nothing but a predator and he hides behind the law.
He shouldn’t be permitted to practice law and represent justice, it’s not in his vocabulary…besides that he doesn’t remember what he is suppose to do anyway!
According to the TES schedule, today they should be arriving in Aruba to begin their search. Good Luck and Thank God for all the good they do!
Also, tonight, Court TV 10:PM Haunting Evidence
And for Beth and Dave, they so need their answers. Prayers for you.
Just a thought, Dave is on aruba so maybe thats why Robin posted what she did. God bless Dave and Tim and TES..May they get the answers they seek.
Dave Holloway is a very good person and I really hope one day he will get to know what happened with his daughter. God bless him and his family..
It will be interesting to hear what Dave and especially Beth have to say about this letter from Robin (and Dave). I, personally, will continue to boycott Aruba, and encourage others to as well, for the rest of my life, if necessary.
Interesting letter. Actually a little bizarre. Something going on behind the scenes? As far as the boycott goes. I do this for Natalee. And for the next Natalee who disappears in Aruba. If you don’t slap a criminal down. They do it again and again. Do we really want to see another US girl disappear in Aruba? I’m very disappointed in Dave and Robin. It’s a major slap in the face to me and everyone else who has worked hard at these sites. But at the end of the day. I will be here and at other sites pushing for answers by any means necessary. Aruba is corrupt. Americans have become targets. Dave and Robin wanting to stick there heads in the sand. Only opens the door for more murders of Americans by Arubans.
#94 Carpe. Or are you going to
put it on your the YouTube-CarpeVision-site?
…
You betcha, Robert!
It’ll be up as soon
as humanly possible
for you.
here-
http://tinyurl.com/ypdw5u
the live show is 1 hour at 10 edt
so however long YT processing takes after
that, is what it be…
PVS knows a lot but is covering up for his son and God only knows who else. He will have to fess up one day. Perhaps not on this Earth, to a higher authority, and he shall be judged. Hope those pearly gates hit him in the backside on his way down to hell!
Owing to recent events and public pronouncements some changes have become necessary in the “Boycott Song”.
Here’s the latest and hopefully final version, which is as bad as the first.
Since this was written around Memorial Day, the tune is a kind of hybrid between “John Brown’s Body” and “The Battle Hymn of the Republic,” which might be ironic itself.
No definitive statement is intended on what happened.
Her precious life was taken by those filthy three;
The devil chuckled at the torments they will see.
The angels sobbed with grief — but then joined hands in glee
To welcome Natalee!
(chorus)
Glory, glory Hallelujah,
Glory, glory Hallelujah,
Glory, glory Hallelujah,
HER truth is marching on!
Now our boycott makes Arubans all afraid –
Wretched curs, to cry to those whom you betrayed!
Let our message leave you trembling and dismayed:
We’ll fight for Natalee!
(chorus)
Fellow Americans, it’s up to me and you:
Sing this message loud to Oduber and crew –
To save your island, this we demand of you,
Justice for Natalee!
(chorus)
We’ll stand side by side with Beth forevermore,
Urging people to avoid Aruba’s shore.
Let them whine and moan — on them we’ll slam the door
For love of Natalee!
(chorus)