RSSNatalee Holloway Disappearance: Back By Popular Demand … Paul Van der Sloot Memory Lapses
How is it that a person can competently represent a client in a criminal charge as a lawyer, yet they cannot recollect or remember anything pertaining to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway?
Posted September 9, 2007 by Scared Monkeys Aruba, Joran Van der Sloot, Missing Persons, Natalee Holloway, Paul Van der Sloot | 129 comments |
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As usual, I can’t watch the video with my lame computer!
But that’s ok…I can still rag on Paulus!
Every single one of his convenient memory lapses should have gotten his caned! You know, I’d be embarassed to have so many problems recalling as Paulus did. If he was trying to make the world think he was a bumbling idiot, he did a good job!
Some of my favs that he said involve his saying ‘that could be a clue’ …like he’d say stuff about not knowing if his brats got on the bus, then say something that contradicted that so he’d then back up and say “that could be a clue that they did get on the bus”. All that convinced me his entire BS was aimed at giving misinformation clues and skirting around any real clues. Clues were on his mind big time!
Paulus…..did you give Natalee cocaine to perk her up so you could get her to walk on her own? Was it the final straw, Paulus? Did it kill her?
And is that a missing cinderblock there on your front fence thing?
Why’d you really come home from Holland before your wife did?
And what in the heck is your tie to Medleyrelay? Why does she protect your reputation with such a vengence while swearing to know you personally? She couldn’t be more like Anita if she was Anita herself.
What else before I go to bed?
Paulus….riddle me this: 4 go out, 3 come back. Why didn’t all 4 come back?
And here’s another one for you…ask Joran why in his book he refers to Natalee as a blind date. And ask him why he said he was not allowed to have shoes on his date.
Bedtime! Nighty night all!
Gee, what a conveniently “bad memory” Paulus has, but he did remember to give Joran the “fatherly advice” of no body/no case
the day after Natalee went missing.
Hey, Paulus, how did you know that Natalee was no longer alive?
Hey, Karin Janssen, why did you write that letter to release Paulus as a suspect?
This guy has all the answer’s and this can all end in a heartbeat if they would re-arrest this dirtbag and his Son. 4AM pickup time has never been explained and Natalee has never been seen since!!
Karen JANSSEN: Well, the father has spoken with those three suspects and he said he gave them some legal advice but I think the advices were going further than that. They spoke about the situation that when there is no body, you don‘t have a case, and that was already in the first day after the disappearance.
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Beth Twitty On the Record w/ Greta - Oct. 2/05
HOLLOWAY TWITTY: I think I just saw specific little details that just have started eating me alive just, I mean, from details of that first night, when we met Joran and Paul and Deepak, you know, just little details that have been eating away at me on this pick-up time at McDonald’s, you know, Paul van der Sloot stated specifically and emphatically he picked them up at 4 a.m. I have it documented in my journal too many times to know that…
Investigator Roy Tromp confirmed that Paulus changed his story. Jug could not understand why statements were not immediately obtained from all witnesses who were present on that morning that would have all reflected the 4:00 am pickup time.
On June 5/05 Beth requested that security cameras from McDonalds be checked. As of Dec. 12/05 Aruban authorities had yet to comply with her request.
HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Yes, 4 a.m. on May 31, he stated — I documented in my journal — that he stated to the police spokesperson that he picked Joran up at 4 a.m. Again, on June 17, I have it documented in my journal that they were going to question Paul that day about the 4 a.m. pick-up. And then it changed. That’s why I was so shocked that day that you and I went to his home. That was the first time that he had changed to it 11 p.m., to the 29th. So that’s just one example of many little details that are just driving me crazy now that I’m back home.
Roy Tromp 48 Hours Interview - Aug. 5/05
Tromp, who declined to provide details about exactly what investigators believe happened to Holloway, said that Paul van der Sloot has also changed his account the night Holloway vanished. “Why should you do that if you are telling the truth?” he said.
Claudio Eldridge Letter from Benvinda de Souza to Karen Jansen - June 23/05
“Also understood by Claudio is that Mr. Van Der Sloot said that he picked up Joran around 4:00 am close to McDonald’s.” Translation Credit - Arubagirl
Paulus Van der Sloot Official Witness Statement - June 18, 2005
On May 30th 2005, in the nightly hours, I did not pick up Joran from anywhere. I slept solidly through the night without waking up.
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This guy is calling a missing girl a corpse even before she is officially reported as missing. Same guy who was seen on security cameras gambling with Natalee just hours before she dissapeared. He is also the same guy who said he picked up the Natalee and his son at 4am. Two hours after they told the world Joran last saw her.
WHAT THE HELL DID YOU DO WITH NATALEE HOLLOWAY??
http://www.carlolawoffice.com/attorneys/index.html
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Joran van der Sloot: One day I will explain exactly what happened. But right now I don‘t feel ready to do that.
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Paul van der Sloot said in a phone conversation with Peter de Vries that they had a lot to tell but they will not do that just now because of people involved who could be hurt by this information
Paulus, where is your TIMELINE?
There is no timeline for Paulus…it was never investigated…..because there is where the answer lies….disposed of Natalee….
I guess they think the longer this drags out everyone will forget that it is fact he said many times he picked up Joran and Natalee at 4am on 5-30-05. I believe there is even a witness who saw him driving at this time,bank records and even proof in court when he was denied his lawsuit. That’s roughly two hours after what the Aruban Officials and the Van Der Sloots told the world they last saw Natalee.
He waived all rights when he said he would testify against his son and therefore he should lose the “Family Privlage”of being allowed to lie and obstruct the Investigation. He cant have it both ways..This should have been introduced as new evidence,he should have been re-arrested and interrogated the day that he was denied his monies from suing the Govt.. Nowhere on any of the PV’S does it say he picked them both up at 4AM. Nowhere on any of Jorans statements does he say he was picked up at 4AM. This blows the timeline out of the water and changes the case.
JVDS has stated since 2005 that he left Natalee Holloway at the beach.
Paulus Van der Sloot Official Witness Statement - June 18, 2005
On May 30th 2005, in the nightly hours, I did not pick up Joran from anywhere. I slept solidly through the night without waking up.
What a masterpiece of truth!
I wonder what it’s like to pick up your seventeen
year old son at four in the morning with blood
stains on his clothing and in the single shoe that
he was wearing?
Deepak says, “If you want to know what happened
to Natalee, ask Joran what happened to his shoe.”
While Paulus Van der Sloot, a Judge in Training
says, “No body, No crime”
We all know why he lies, the question is why did
Van der Straaten lie? Why did Rudy Croes lie?
Gerald Dompig, Karen Jannsen and the list goes on.
What is going on in Aruba that the most powerful
men in law enforcesment feel a need to cover up
the murder of a young American girl? For what?
Some half-wit, miss fit kid that poses as a
sporter, a soccer player, to impress members of
the opposite sex? I don’t think so. There has
to be more to it than that. Those kinds of
crimes happen to tourists everyday, but never
does the government feel the need to protect the
pertpetrator, atleast not to the point of
committing crimes themselves.
There is something horribly wrong and until we
find out what it is and put an end to it there
will always be those, like us, that speak out
against the injustice. The lost child, swallowed
up in the corruption that they call ARUBA.
Joran killed Natalee…, he confessed…but because of a lawyer not being present..and underage he was dismissed…Paulus and his devious ways and calling on favors of injustice that he has performed allowed the freedom of Joran..!
When Karin Janssen appealed the compensation which was awarded to Paulus for wrongful detainment - the Superior Court’s ruling sided with the proscutor. It ruled that - according to tapped information and Paulus’ own declaration - Paulus’ detention could be considered justified.
Superior Court - Diario - 02-14-2007
The whole case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway gets a different twist now that the information has come out from no less than the Superior Court, and in which mention is made of the declarations of witnesses and a phone tap that show or give an indication that Paul van der Sloot had on two occasions personal contact with Natalee during the night that she disappeared. Mention is made that, according to one or more official reports of the phone tap and also the declaration of Paul van der Sloot himself, that Paul fetched Joran and Natalee at McDonald and took them to the Holiday Inn. Based on this information, the judicial authorities and the police had at that time a justified basis to arrest Paul van der Sloot based on different suspicions. (Translation Credit: Diario)
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/2/14/
http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/
As I have stated for a very, very long time….why can’t Aruba provide a timeline for Paulus for the evening?
Why does Aruba provide cell phone transmission information for J2K…but none for Paulus?
Why does Aruba continually avoid Paulus?
Why do Aruban judges cover for Paulus?
Why did ALE refuse to properly question Paulus?
Where are Paulus’ witness statements on this case….seeing that he came into the station several days prior to being arrested and gave witness statements? Explain that one Aruba!!!
Why has the KLPD continued this farce by not demanding Karin Janssen’s letter be retracted and the legal system reverse/void the judgement protecting Paulus from further investigation (A PRIVILIGE NOT GIVEN TO THE TWO BLACK GUYS ARUBA TRIED TO FRAME).
Paulus
at #19 Montagna
on the mattress
with the candlestick (OK….Joran’s tennis racket).
Come on KLPD….how long are you going to be a party to this crime? Do your part and stop protecting Paulus under the “color of law”.
MD
What about all the ducks that where investigating the case on aruba ??? Did they go home to stick there fingers back in there dikes ???
Hey dutch investigators what did you find out ???
Dutch Law says you can lie as a suspect but not as a witness. You can lie if you are a suspect or witness as long as you are a Family member..Is that right Mr.Rammstein? Since PVDS gave up that privlage and agreed to testify vs Joran what does that make him?? 2doh: :smt021 :2brickwall:
Paulus is definitely a suspect in this case…and for a judge to award him compensation in this case was unjust,,,,the corruption of Aruba!!! And now he wants he wants to void a citation and set the criminal free….!
Hold your children close and tight!!And boycott Aruba!!!
PLEASE tell us where we can get more information!!! We are staying at the RIU and at 3:30 a.m. Saturday morning, we heard a woman in a nearby room screaming so loudly it was definitely terror and not griefing. It was blood curdling. Did a search to see what we do find out and nothing in media. Front desk stated everything o.k. with woman. Polic do come Saturday but no word on if the woman is dead or live. Please do help? Thank you.
Glad to see Natalees case being discussed again,you should send this page to aruba authorities .Let em know this case will not go away.
Aruba doesn’t care if an America girl, Natalee is raped and killed by their island perverts. That simple.
And in the face of nonstop lies and evasions from Aruba and everyone on it … why won’t any of our presidential candidates speak out on this issue?
Are they afraid that they will be scorned for demanding the truth about an American citizen?
I have and still do believe that Justice for Natalee for these sick individuals will only come now from OUTSIDE of the Justice system and when it begins just watch who and where they will run for cover and protection .
Knowing that you have done such a wrong and seeing horrible things happening to others associated with you in the offense will do horrendous things to a persons mind if the Kalpos had any smarts they would get in front of this now, but as I said if they had ANY smarts .
This is why we must PROTEST at the travel shows and let LIERUBA know we dont want them here…we want JUSTICE FOR NATALEE than we will leave them alone…I will NEVER go there but I will leave them alone. WE the people need to TELL NATALEES STORY. There are lots of shows all over…YOU CAN BE NATALEES VOICE…
Sloot’s responses are standard lawyerese. Those answers were given when we deposed a high profile attorney. Very frustrating to say the least. About the only thing remembered were their names and the firm’s address. Even when asked to make a stab at it, there was not enough to be remembered. Even when shown documents signed, again very vague answers. It’s all part of the game.
I agree with #21. We must protest the travel shows. Look how much it has helped.
Hey, Paulus,
Did you pick up Joran in the early hours of May 30?
Did Joran call you for a ride after he killed Natalee?
Did you visit the ATMs to get money to take care of body disposal and alibis?
Why did Van der Straaten offer your son, Joran, a plea deal of mental institution
vs. jail?
Why didn’t Joran call 911 to help Natalee?
Why did Natalee not recover while in Joran’s presence?
Why was it necessary to dispose of Natalee’s body?
I’m sure you KNOW all the answers to these questions even though you will conveniently try to “forget.”
I APOLOGIZE FOR IT’S LENGHT….
My best guess for where Natalee was taken is the Van der Sloot’s.
Probably to Joran’s younger brother’s bedroom room.
Why? According to Anita; that was the only room at the Van der Sloot’s that was never searched during the “Humiliating Intrusion of Her Private Property”.
How could Anita describe Natalee’s clothing. The garments were obviously left behind and were still there when she arrived back from The Netherlands.
How could Anita describe how Natalee looked nude? Remember her camera that the police confiscated and never returned? It was obviously a digital camera; not a conventional 35mm that required processing. Natalee’s images were on the camera and the evidence had to be erased.
Who all were not there waiting after Deepak signaled them that they were on the way with a blond female tourist on her last night on Aruba, before flying home.
Later in Joran’s book he admitted that his two younger brothers were with his mother and arrived home together.
Who actually was there? Obviously Joran was there. Secondly; there was probably Geoff van Cromvoirt. He had been shunned by Natalee at C and C’s and was anxious for revenge. But the police said he had an alibi. One we have never heard. There was supposed to be a party at his home in Paradera. His guest probably lied and said he was there the whole evening. He slipped out to go to Joran’s.
I’m sure that Koen and Sanders were both there. Sanders plays (soccer?) with Joran. They came from Malmok which is not far from Arisha Beach.
There was no way that Koen took Joran out on his boat to dispose of Natalee.
The IQ and shoe sizes of both are about the same. Natalee got a hold of Sander’s cell phone. The one he said was stolen while at school. So that phone had to disappear to leave doubt about the “mysterious phone call” made by possibly Natalee. (More crime on Aruba.) I don’t believe that Sanders goes to the same school as Joran.
Freddie had to be there. According to Joran; Freddie is Joran’s absolute best friend. Joran would not exclude his best friend from a “Shark Fest”.
Loco Mary was probably there also as Freddie doesn’t seem to go any where without her.
Guido or Marco denied knowing Joran yet he and Joran play tennis together. He was probably romantically involved with Joran and out of jealousy just happened to show up at Joran’s at the wrong time. Or; he could have been one of the responsible persons for Natalee’s death. He being gay would know about using “Something Dreaming” techniques.
Deepak and Satish being called slaves was probably penned by Joran. They may not have wanted to drop off Natalee at Joran’s but Joran probably forced them to do so using threats. Threats concerning other times that Deepak’s car was used as a taxi to take a drugged tourist somewhere.
Paulus probably popped in from the casino at a non opportune time and found his son struggling to find out why Natalee stopped breathing. Alcohol, drugs that were slipped to Natalee and “Something Dreaming” caused Hypoxia and death.
Internet searches for drug interaction and trips to the ATM followed.
The “I picked up Joran at McDonald’s at 4:00 AM vs 11:00 PM makes sense as he attempted to place Joran and himself somewhere and some time, other than the crime scene. The question is why would he say 11:00PM when Joran admitted to being home. Why would he originally say 4:00 AM. What excuse would Joran have for being there at that hour? All sidewalks are pretty much rolled up at that hour in the morning.
I don’t know how to tie in Lorenzo other than he supplied the drugs that Joran slipped to Natalee and was trying to find out what reaction that would have with alcohol. Or; perhaps Lorenzo was at C and C’s and somehow helped Joran slip Natalee the lethal drink.
Although they deny the fact; Michael Dompig and Geoff Van Cromvoirt know each other. Many pictures pop up on community web shots with them together.
I have not found out where Michael lives; his number is unlisted. He, probably out of jealousy, ratted on Geoff because he, Geoff did not invite Michael to the “Shark Fest”. Although perhaps not there; Michael knows what happened.
These are all the things that Paulus would like to be able to NOT REMEMBER!!!
(klaasend)
Put this all together in a GAME that has been going on for awhile against female tourist on their last night on Aruba, and the crimes against Natalee including the bruises on her neck; would be the obvious reasons for the corruption and cover-up.
IMO; because of where it happened and to avoid a forensic autopsy, it was Paulus who made arrangements for Natalee’s body to disappear. IMO it was either Paulus directly or he paid someone else; but he was involved.
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SM: It’s Loco Stef not Loco Mary
Thanks klassend; I wonder why her name was in bold… I didn’t type it that way…
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SM: Sorry about that, I bolded it to make it clear to others what I was referring to (klaasend)
1906,
Agree with you about the VDS compound being the crime scene.
And any “beach scenario’ is most likely after the fact–when Natalee is no longer alive. IMO
Please see our #16 post. We were not the only hotel guests who heard the woman screeming loudly in the middle of the night last weekend. Maybe fbi could be contacted?
I went ahead and contacted them for fear for this woman’s life as well as fear of a potential cover up. Thanks.
Does anyone know for sure where Joran’s younger brothers were that night….at home, or in the Netherlands?
1006…right on line with my last major assessment of this case.
Lorenzo fits into this in that he was put in charge of dealing with the body.
Remember, Paulus out at 4:00am. ATM withdrawals. Joran GETTING ON THE BUS at 6:30am for school from a bus stop near Lorenzo’s home. Paulus & Joran were out disposing of the body and dropped her off at Lorenzo’s….along with a pile of cash….to take care of the situation.
All the pieces to this crime are there in PLAIN VIEW. Why the KLPD is going along with the farce is beyond me.
md
Hey J-BO… they’re coming for you,
and your mentally deranged goon of
a father. They’re talking about even
doing something with that dilapidated ol’
sorry A$$ sea cow of a mother of yours!
See ya tonight.
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That would be my guess as well about Lorenzo’s involvement. However I think it’s possible Natalee was still alive at 4AM and raised hell after being drugged and raped. I believe Natalee did get off at least one call between 3-4am and it’s possible shortly after is when something bad happened. As the drugs wore off the more Natalee wanted to get away and to let everyone know what they did to her. How many people would Natalee be able to point out?
It’s possible they brought her to LVR’S house to calm her down and to make sure she didnt go to the Authorities. After all,she wasnt like the previous local girls who accused Joran of this..
Much harder to cover up if the American Authorities are involved and they find out Paul’s Friends in the ALE just months earlier covered up this same thing. Here is Joran just a short time later..Gambling,Drinking and Preying on tourists drugging and rapeing them.I would imagine it became much harder to cover up if Joran bashed her in the head and the Pimps filmed her on Video. Natalee must have woken up before they had a chance to drop her off at the beach.
She could have been badly injured and instead of taking her to a hospital where they would have seen a head injury,and that she was drugged and raped. They may have opted to take her to a secure place to treat her head wound and make sure she didnt tell on them. I cant think of a more secure place than LVR’S compound. Did they upload the Video from Joran’s computer or was she filmed somewhere else? Was she filmed before 4am or after 4am?
Who here really thinks that the Kalpoes drove all over Aruba just for one drink at C&C?? Such a crock of $?@! 27 months later and still they havent been honest what these punks were doing that night!!They get to the bar at 12:30AM and 15 minutes later Deepak is already outside as he doesnt have a drink,doesnt dance and all he does is talk to a friend for 5-10 minutes and goes to the bathroom.
His whole purpose of going to C&C was what?? Picking up and driving Joran to the bar so he could have a drink?? He lost patience looking for his Brother and Joran..Yeh right!! We have all seen the bar and it isnt all that big..It was all premeditated and his whole job was to have that car ready as the drugged drink was administered by last call. The plan was already set in motion as Joran played himself off as a exchange student from holland staying at there same hotel. Get her in the car and let the pimp games begin.
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Interesting day in the domain history..Dont you think??Whois Record for Mrpinkproductions.com ( Mr Pink Productions )
http://whois.domaintools.com/mrpinkproductions.com
Whois History: 24 records have been archived since 2005-05-30
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Poolside Bitch and Mr.Pink(Rape and Abduction Video filmed before Natalee went to Aruba.
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clevfan
Staff
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 17,984
07-03-2005, 03:30 AM
RE:Anyone else following this Natalee Holloway case?
these are suspect sites:
http://www.mrpinkproductions.com
http://www.guide2paradise.com
both are run by a guy orginally from michigan by the name of paul brough. he is good friends with lorenzo van rijn
old sites are: http://www.getlegalhookers.com and http://www.metronightlife.com
RE:Anyone else following this Natalee Holloway case?
What is kinda funny about this guy is that he is a guy from the Detroit area who’s name is Paul Brough, he winters in Aruba and runs the local “let’s go redwings” chapter there.
He has an escort service down in aruba and was stupid enough to have a few websites down there… http://www.mrpinkproductions.com and http://www.guide2paridise.com which used to be http://www.getlegalhookers.com
Now he is in a heap of trouble down there by the authorities due to this case, even if he isn’t involved in it, he’s is now cooked bigtime, LOL
Quote:
Originally posted by: clevfan
Aruba cops think X may mark the spot
NY DAILY NEWS
AUG 5
Police are said to be investigating whether a porn filmmaker might have had a hand in the May disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway in Aruba.
According to the latest scenario in the baffling case, someone may have been trying to talk the pretty 18-year-old honor student into appearing in an X-rated flick.
Aruba cops and the FBI are said to be looking to the porn world for leads.
Paul Barresi, a former adult-film producer who’s now a private eye, says he heard about the possible inquiry from “another ‘recruiter’ who scouts South America for porn talent.”
“Natalee would have been a perfect target - a naive girl from a small town,” Barresi tells us. “The recruiter might tell her he wanted her to pose for some modeling test shots.
“The cops want to know whether [anyone] gave her a date-rape drug like GHB. Only, apparently, the plan went awry. She died,” he theorizes, “and the porn guy may have had to get rid of her body.”
Barresi believes the recruiter is likely to be “someone who lives out of a suitcase.” The National Enquirer reports in its new issue that cops suspect he lives in Aruba.
The Enquirer’s Rebecca Mowling and Don Gentile also report that one witness claims he saw three men dumping a body in a landfill site.
Investigators in Aruba couldn’t be reached for comment yesterday.
Sorry for the long post
That would be my guess as well about Lorenzo’s involvement. However I think it’s possible Natalee was still alive at 4AM and raised hell after being drugged and raped. I believe Natalee did get off at least one call between 3-4am and it’s possible shortly after is when something bad happened. As the drugs wore off the more Natalee wanted to get away and to let everyone know what they did to her. How many people would Natalee be able to point out?
It’s possible they brought her to LVR’S house to calm her down and to make sure she didnt go to the Authorities. After all,she wasnt like the previous local girls who accused Joran of this..
Much harder to cover up if the American Authorities are involved and they find out Paul’s Friends in the ALE just months earlier covered up this same thing. Here is Joran just a short time later..Gambling,Drinking and Preying on tourists drugging and rapeing them.I would imagine it became much harder to cover up if Joran bashed her in the head and the Pimps filmed her on Video. Natalee must have woken up before they had a chance to drop her off at the beach.
She could have been badly injured and instead of taking her to a hospital where they would have seen a head injury,and that she was drugged and raped. They may have opted to take her to a secure place to treat her head wound and make sure she didnt tell on them. I cant think of a more secure place than LVR’S compound. Did they upload the Video from Joran’s computer or was she filmed somewhere else? Was she filmed before 4am or after 4am?
Who here really thinks that the Kalpoes drove all over Aruba just for one drink at C&C?? Such a crock of $?@! 27 months later and still they havent been honest what these punks were doing that night!!They get to the bar at 12:30AM and 15 minutes later Deepak is already outside as he doesnt have a drink,doesnt dance and all he does is talk to a friend for 5-10 minutes and goes to the bathroom.
His whole purpose of going to C&C was what?? Picking up and driving Joran to the bar so he could have a drink?? He lost patience looking for his Brother and Joran..Yeh right!! We have all seen the bar and it isnt all that big..It was all premeditated and his whole job was to have that car ready as the drugged drink was administered by last call. The plan was already set in motion as Joran played himself off as a exchange student from holland staying at there same hotel. Get her in the car and let the pimp games begin.
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Interesting day in the domain history..Dont you think??Whois Record for Mrpinkproductions.com ( Mr Pink Productions )
http://whois.domaintools.com/mrpinkproductions.com
Whois History: 24 records have been archived since 2005-05-30
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“Join the Pink Patrol and start earning money today”
http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/MrPinkProductions.jpg
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Poolside Bitch and Mr.Pink(Rape and Abduction Video filmed before Natalee went to Aruba.
http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/cap022.jpg
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Majorwager.com
clevfan
Staff
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 17,984
07-03-2005, 03:30 AM
RE:Anyone else following this Natalee Holloway case?
these are suspect sites:
http://www.mrpinkproductions.com
http://www.guide2paradise.com
both are run by a guy orginally from michigan by the name of paul brough. he is good friends with lorenzo van rijn
old sites are: http://www.getlegalhookers.com and http://www.metronightlife.com
RE:Anyone else following this Natalee Holloway case?
What is kinda funny about this guy is that he is a guy from the Detroit area who’s name is Paul Brough, he winters in Aruba and runs the local “let’s go redwings” chapter there.
He has an escort service down in aruba and was stupid enough to have a few websites down there… http://www.mrpinkproductions.com and http://www.guide2paridise.com which used to be http://www.getlegalhookers.com
Now he is in a heap of trouble down there by the authorities due to this case, even if he isn’t involved in it, he’s is now cooked bigtime, LOL
Quote:
Originally posted by: clevfan
Aruba cops think X may mark the spot
NY DAILY NEWS
AUG 5
Police are said to be investigating whether a porn filmmaker might have had a hand in the May disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway in Aruba.
According to the latest scenario in the baffling case, someone may have been trying to talk the pretty 18-year-old honor student into appearing in an X-rated flick.
Aruba cops and the FBI are said to be looking to the porn world for leads.
Paul Barresi, a former adult-film producer who’s now a private eye, says he heard about the possible inquiry from “another ‘recruiter’ who scouts South America for porn talent.”
“Natalee would have been a perfect target - a naive girl from a small town,” Barresi tells us. “The recruiter might tell her he wanted her to pose for some modeling test shots.
“The cops want to know whether [anyone] gave her a date-rape drug like GHB. Only, apparently, the plan went awry. She died,” he theorizes, “and the porn guy may have had to get rid of her body.”
Barresi believes the recruiter is likely to be “someone who lives out of a suitcase.” The National Enquirer reports in its new issue that cops suspect he lives in Aruba.
The Enquirer’s Rebecca Mowling and Don Gentile also report that one witness claims he saw three men dumping a body in a landfill site.
Investigators in Aruba couldn’t be reached for comment yesterday.
Great job with this and as I’ve said before thank you to SM for keeping Natalee’s story front page and to all those who care and show up to help keep Natalee’s story out there. What was done to Natalee and her family is an injustice and should be kept in the light. Not only for answers, but to make sure this happens to noone else. Others have gone missing from the USA in Aruba before her.
Paulus can’t recall, can’t remember important things such as if Joran went to school etc, but if you read his police statement he CAN recall in great detail the story Joran told about what happened that night. He recalls it all to well, because he help make it up?
It might be lawyer talk to talk like this, but everyone knows it’s a way of being evasive and not answering questions without taking the fifth. Why would he not answer questions if he and his son had done nothing to hide. I told my son to cooperate as much as possible… I’m still wondering how Joran sneaked out the first night, Deepak shows up in his big loud car and parks it while Joran prints papers and then he goes out and Deepak starts up his big loud car again and they leave and noone hears. Yet later Joran says he didn’t want to bring Natalee to his house because he didn’t want to wake his family up. Didn’t wake them up before? He also has a separate place and yet it would wake his family up? Nothing these people tell, say or do has any logic or common sense. He sneaked out the first night his father says, then he says he again sneaked out the second night, after his police statement has Paulus saying he gave Joran permission to go to the Wyndham that night.
So why do so many people here, who are ready to agree that porn producers and other people were involved in disposing of Natalee, adamant that they couldn’t have decided to take her off Aruba and sell her?
Is that because everyone’s preconceptions might be challenged?
Warning, this post is one long mother of Carey’s chicken.
Some will accuse me of doing a hit and run. So I’ll say it before you do. I may. Some are going accuse me of being too graphic, and I haven’t decided if I’ll go that way yet or not. Be warned, there may be some who will not want to read any further. If you have a weak stomach, I would not.
There are several pieces of evidence that to me have become self-evident. That is they proven themselves to be true over time. Junior’s story is not one of those pieces of evidence that has panned out that way, but to me it is the most believable. I’m come back to that in a while.
I’ll save the reader a lot of time and trouble, if you want to read no further. This post is about, rape, murder, video 8, the video of the plastic bag, burial at sea, and the landfill (and I forgot the burial at sea). That’s it in a nutshell, so read on at your own risk. You have been warned.
1906, you have remained very silent on video #8 and the video of the cement basin area. Why? I would love to hear your analysis of both. I’m thinking that both are not credible to you, or you think that they are distractions. Am I right?
Me? I’m the dreamer. Everyone knows that.
So, from the point of view of a dreamer, and from a not so different angle; here we go.
First and foremost, I don’t think we can look at video #8 (the rock videos), or the basin videos, and say they were taken on day 10. The timing is way off, or Natalee was not killed until day 8 or 9. Also, I don’t think we are looking at a full body in video #8. I believe that we are looking at Natalee’s left arm. There may have been at the same time, other parts in the plastic at the basin off the bridge (this disturbes me).
Second, most will say that the rock videos were taken on or near June 10, 05. If this is true, how do you explain what most believe to be Joran ridding in the car with papa Paulus? (Any respect to fatherhood in association with Paulus is disavowed, hence lack of capital letters in papa).
Joran was incarcerated during this time, right?
Third, why did everyone and I mean everyone get so nervous when Dave Holloway was at the landfill? We supposedly had a confession from Joran during that time, and then when Dave stopped digging the confessions was retracted.
So, what happen and who was involved? First, it is my speculation that Natalee was raped by Joran immediately, and in the back seat of Deepak’s car. She was taken to the lighthouse, and Deepak and S. raped her. She was taken to Joran’s apartment, and I don’t know what happed, other than she was killed there. Those that were present (in my best guess) in addition to the 3 mentioned were Paulus, Freddy Alexander Zedan ARAMBATZIS, Geoffry van CROMVOIRT, Seferino “Steve” Gregory CROES, Michael DOMPIG, Koen and Sanders GOTTENBOS, and Guido WEVER.
Jerry
Remember Amy Bradley.
Remember that a woman in the sex slave racket can bring in to her “masters” half a million a year, according to informed estimates, or at least estimates that are presumed to be informed.
Remember that humiliating an American might be seen as a triumph in some parts of the world.
Remember that after two years, NO TRACE of Natalee has been found on Aruba.
But we won’t think about this, because it’s too melodramatic. Instead, we’ll rely on Internet postings.
Wish Scared Monkeys could get a interview with Beth ,would like to know how she feels about Oreillys SLANDER.A interview might get Natalees case back on news channels.
Observer
#3
How the hell can Sweatin Paules and Joran make those statements and not be held in contempt?
Hey KLDP, they say it in your face they know what happened, WTF are you waiting for?
I want some damn justice for Natalee and if not dead out of the sex slave business. Now! PS Aruba is still a hellhole
Richard,
I’M not saying your theory is impossible it’s just very unlikely after what we have seen the last 27 months. Unfortunately I havent seen anything that points to Natalee being sold as a sex slave and moved to another country. The motives behind the dissapearances of Amy and Natalee are nothing alike.IMO I pray that you are correct as that would mean Natalee could be alive somewhere like Amy Bradley. Your theory is actually quite refreshing and would be the best outcome as I think there is a 0% chance that Natalee ran away on her own. Do you have any proof at all that Natalee might have been sold as a sex slave? Have they ever connected the dots to the cruise ship members/band members that may have played a part in Amy’s dissapearance?
My belief is the Porn Producers involvement was just for a video and he nothing to do with selling or disposing of Natalee. I believe the Lorenzo character is very close to the Van Der Sloots and he was brought in after something bad happened to her.
#37 Jerry
It’s just not possible that Natalee’s body was at those rocks that whole time. She had to be put there just previous to when that video was filmed. It is also ridiculous to think the body of a 7 year old boy was laying there for a year in several pieces. I havent seen any proof that Natalee was in the bag or at the rocks but I see clear proof they are hiding something big.
As we re-hash everything,one thing that sticks out in my mind is the reported phone calls that Natalee made. Until this is proven false I will continue to believe Natalee was alive well after 3AM.
The circumstances at the Landfill will always bother me and at the time I was sure they were going to find here there. I also found Junior quite credible and the events that happened there made it all that more suspicious. If you look back at his story the person he pointed out that was directing everyone was Paul Van Der Sloot.
Observer, I am with you on that. I have seen nothing that points to sex slave industry at all. I don’t believe Joran was calling to get a ride to go to CnC, first calling Jaimie then the K2 to go and then more or less stalking and moving in on one girl was for anything but their own selfish egos. He has told us all kinds of sexual stuff and they have all told us in one way or another that she is dead.
I too believe the crime scene was the VDSloots. The whole reason Joran admits to being out front of his home that night was in case someone seen them or perhaps someone has given a statement saying they saw them at the house. I believe they were at the beach but I think it was either to take Natalee out to sea or it was to bury her until they could dispose of her.
3 cheers to Dr Michael Baden again tonight on Greta.. He again stated that in the Natalee Holloway case, they were more worried about doing something about tourism then investigating the chance a local killed her.
Since long posts are in vogue….
About the 4AM pickup….alleged, that is…alleged by PVDS to have been a pickup of Joran @ McDonalds….but what if it was NOT a pickup? What if Paulus is only trying to account for BEING OUT at 4AM around a fast food place in case his car was seen, is all I’m suggesting here because the truth can’t be told by anyone involved or else the case would be solved, so whatever the VDS or the others say can’t be entirely true.
In that case, maybe Paulus took Natalee from some spot Joran left her and took her to a fast food place, to maybe try to get some food in her so she’d sober up -that I highly doubt was McD’s. He may have driven by there, but if he stopped anywhere it would not be McD’s.
You see how it is, things that are mentioned, I believe, are clues, but there are lies mixed in making things only half true..which is how most people lie in the first place. A partial truth is necessary to lend credibility and to be able to counter witnesses who don’t usually have proof to back up what they say and can be said to be ‘mistaken’ -even if the witness is dead on!
So the same could be said about Paulus’s story of picking Joran up at McD’s about 4AM in case his car was seen. Maybe he did drive by McD’s but actually went to Taco Bell. Hell, maybe he went to lots of fast food places trying to find one open.
Part 2…
Paulus and Joran and the predator-in-training/Val are on the computer between 3-4. How then, if the computer is right, could Joran end up needing a ride from anywhere at 4AM? He was just home! My answer is as I stated above….he didn’t need a ride home @4, Paulus needed an excuse to be out at 4AM at a fast food place.
If you all don’t mind, I recall a psychic said:
Natalee was with Paulus in his car when Paulus visited 2 ATM machines. (honest to God that was posted before-at least I- read anything about Paulus going to an ATM, so I freaked out and paid close attention and filed this away in my mind) Then he drove to a fast food place that was closed. He drove up to the drive thru sign seemingly to order, but found it closed. He sat there for a while. During this time Natalee was sitting upright in the passenger seat, but she was not responsive as if she were drugged but still able to sit upright for some reason or else she was trusting and not necessarily drugged. She was not raising a fuss at all.
Part 3
The phone call between Paulus and Joran that came from the Santa Cruz around about 4ish…I seem to recall it was said at first Paulus made it to Joran. But as it was made from Santa Cruz that didn’t make sense, so it was changed that Joran called Paulus from Santa Cruz. But did Paulus actually do the calling to Joran? To maybe ask him something? Or tell him something? Like maybe to ask him where Natalee got the head injury! Joran wouldn’t have mentioned a head injury to Paulus because Joran was NOT HURT, so he wouldn’t think it important. Sure the call it would be documented on Paulus’s cell, right? But no….Paulus all of a sudden was using Anita’s cell! And then nothing else was said about that call from Santa Cruz.
Oh, yeah…there is certainly a cover up…and I’m sure you’ve all noticed how many mistakes were made in this case that needed covering up day by day. Such as Paulus’s cell becoming Anita’s cell and the 4AM call going bye bye. All that could have been to get Paulus out of the mess.
But, if Natalee about 4AM was still alive, where did she go? And why did she have to go?
Part 4
I just watched A Knight’s Tale on TV…the part where the dude, who is supposed to be the meal ticket for the others, dies and one of them refuses to believe he is dead so he starts kicking the crap out of him going “you’re not dead, get up” reminded me of what I’ve mentioned before about the sporter Joran possibly kicking Natalee because she would not get up.
I would not be surprised to find out Natalee passed out from too much drink, that last shot of 151 putting her over the top, and Joran getting mad at his night being ruined, he kicked her and got blood on his shoe trying to wake her up. (this is the opposite of ‘I tried to carry her’)
I would not be surprised if where he took her, or was taking her….probably that cave they have set up for parties, was known by all the young island predators of tourists, that he was going there with her because that’s where they all go.
I would not be surprised to find out Sanders and/or Guido and/or GVC went to that area to see what was going on and found Natalee lying there alone, but got scared off when they saw a car coming. (this might be why Guido was taken in for Heavy Battery and why Sanders is peeing in the bed and why GVC was taken in as well…maybe they told someone they saw Natalee lying there bleeding and that someone thought they might have done it and turned them in)
The car that was coming might have been Paulus, who put her in his car and took her back to his house to figure out what to do.
Why would Paulus take her back to his house? Easy….because he knows Joran lies, and Natalee is passed out/sick/and has a head injury…he’s not going to take her anywhere but to his house until he gets the ‘facts’ straight with Joran in case Natalee tries to raise a rukus, especially if he is shocked to find her injured and not just passed out drunk like Joran probably relayed to his papa.
Part 5
Paulus also thinks he’s slick, so he would think he could talk Natalee out of pressing charges on his sporter. And if she insisted, who would he call to appease Natalee? Maybe his good buddy Jan VDS? …who comes to the VDS house and is pissy because he is wakened up and Natalee is not having any of the hype, tries to run off and Jan impulsively grabs his tazer and fires away to stop her. Tazers have been known to kill, even though they aren’t supposed to. But let’s say they didn’t know they’d killed her, just assumed she was knocked out and she was carried back inside the VDS house and put in the kid’s room –that according to Anita was the only room in the house not searched- so maybe the shot did kill her but they didn’t realize it until later after she didn’t wake up by morning.
Jan…He has seen the evidence, but he can’t rat on himself now can he, and by law he doesn’t have to say any more. Good reason why he isn’t being forced to come forward and end this case with the evidence he saw that proved Natalee was dead. Jan maybe killed her!
Overall, summary….
I think this was a typical getting drunk and dating night for Natalee (nothing wrong with that drinking part and I don’t think for one micro-second that Natalee was interested in sex that night) until she had one too many thanks to Joran’s favorite shot and then possibly from drinking from Joran’s yard in the car. She is fine, happy-high even, for about 20 or 30 minutes until she wants to throw up –which ticks Deepak off and he MAKES her get out of the car. She pukes and then all she wants to do is lie down. She does and she passes out. (I have been there with the high/puke/lay down/sleep/passout myself. I know the timing of this 151 stuff when it finally hits you) Deepak and Satish do not leave them. They wait in the car as Joran tries to get Natalee up because he hasn’t had his fun yet. Joran gets angered at the passed out Natalee and kicks her in the head multiple times. Gets blood on his shoe. It’s only about 2AM by now. They are in the area of where the cave is, but they did not get there because Natalee had to throw up. The cave or at least the place Natalee got out would be in the Santa Cruz cellular tower radius, but that direction would be necessary to travel to get to the cave. (I’d really like to know if the cave is in that area)
They drive to the Kalpoe house and drop off one of the Kalpoes, I’d guess Deepak because he’s less stupid than Satish and could more easily fool Nadira if need be. (and God only knows where Mr Ramirez was during all this) Then Satish is going to take Joran home, but Joran is afraid something bad will happen to HIM if he leaves her alone in the middle of nowhere. So they sit by the racket club a while and phone Deepak to ask what to do. That jogger dude drives by…they call Deepak again afraid they were seen. (check the timeline) And check this….Deepak said they were walking around the racket club area some day after Natalee went missing but decided they should not do that in case they were seen…by my theory of partial truths, this means to me that they had already been seen at the RC, sitting there that night the jogger dude saw them.
Deepak advises to take Joran home and get the car back before Nadira finds out it’s missing. Satish gets home a little after 3 –when Nadira for some reason went to see if the car was home (I’m guessing she heard it pull up after she thought the boys were already home and went WTF?) Joran gets home just before 3.
Joran goes online to see about passed out from drinking and maybe he put something in her drink too but whatever…not to give a crap about Natalee but to see if HE might get in trouble if she never wakes up. Paulus either hears the loud car pull up or he is just himself getting in from being with his buds, finds Joran on the computer in the main house….Knowing Joran was wanting to party with one of the MB girls, he asks how it went and Joran spills the beans that he left her passed out. Paulus freaks out and asks where….Joran tells him and he goes to get her. Joran does not tell Paulus he kicked her in the head. And the reason he neglects to tell Paulus that is because JORAN was not hurt, so it isn’t important, as I’ve said already but just want to reiterate since the post is so long.
The rest of the story I am speculating about is above.
Now what did they do with Natalee’s body? To me, you have to think about who needs to be deliberately involved so they won’t rat. Who might know things about that night that they might slip up and mention unless they have particular reason to keep quiet and to BE quieted. And to me that would be Mr. Ramirez who would know Deepak and Satish were not the ones who caused Natalee harm, but could rat on Joran and maybe Paulus. So I’d say he was charged with getting rid of the body and in return he gets the Internet Café. So maybe someone should ask him some questions. He has been deafeningly silent in all this….except to suddenly own a new place of business not long after Natalee disappeared.
#43 observer: “I also found Junior quite credible and the events that happened there made it all that more suspicious.”
Interesting you’d mention Junior. Here is what Jaime Skeeters had to say about Junior: “Jamie reveals his conclusion: “We did the test four times with the same results all four times. This particular testimony with this individual had a lot of red flags. We come to find out he’s a cocaine addict and has been for 30 years.
Jamie tells translator and witness, “What the polygraph shows is that you really did not see the body being buried on that day. It was a week later when he read in the paper and then he remembered.” He continues, “This individual is not just deceptive, he’s extremely deceptive. He’s lying. He’s lying through his teeth.”
Not sure why you found him credible when Jamie Skeeters who actually interviewed/polygraphed him says no. Did you sit across from him and poly him like Jamie did? If ya did I’ll take your word. If ya didn’t I’ll believe the guy that did.
Now comes Dr Phil on Leno 11/2/05:
“Without giving up too much information… we believe Natalee Holloway is alive.”
“We have reasonable belief, without giving false hope, that Natalee is alive- we don’t know where. There is a huge sex slave industry in that part of the world.”
So Dr Phil’s got info she’s alive. Is Dr Phil lying? Not possible. But maybe he’ll let us know some day.
Speaking of Knights Tale D-mom (#45):
cheesiest line in recent movie history (the last one):
[Watching Joscelyn enter William’s tent at night]
Chaucer: Guinevere comes to Lancelot.
[Turns away, smiling]
**Chaucer: Bed him well, my lady. Bed him well.**
Hi Yo Yo..
He was credible because his story was very believable..So believable that they worked out in that hellhole for two weeks searching for Natalee. It was verified that he had called the ALE the day after he witnessed what he saw on june 1st. He also got out there every day and helped dig. He spoke of all the vehicles and those involved and also told us that PVDS was directing them. Apparently many thought he was believable even Dave Holloway.
Yes things got even more suspicious after they blamed the fire on TES when they were not even on the island. Then the Aruban Govt required permits to dig and no one would rent out the equipment so they could search for Natalee. Amazingly when they returned with the permit and the equipment someone filled up all the holes and ruined weeks of hard work.
Dave Holloway recently spoke about that awful place and he doesnt think Natalee was there. I don’t blame him if he never wants to think of that place again!! Junior was a drug addict for 30 years and that easily could be the reason why his LD Tests showed deception. Certainly was much more convincing then Natalee killing herself with Cocaine,The Frozen Condom story or the Letter sent to PVDS from a pregnant Natalee who ran away.
“Now comes Dr Phil on Leno 11/2/05:
“Without giving up too much information… we believe Natalee Holloway is alive.”
“We have reasonable belief, without giving false hope, that Natalee is alive- we don’t know where. There is a huge sex slave industry in that part of the world.”
So Dr Phil’s got info she’s alive. Is Dr Phil lying? Not possible. But maybe he’ll let us know some day”
Dr.Phil?? You have got to be kidding me!!
It’s been two years now so wheres the proof Dr.Phil had that Natalee is alive? Sounds like a ratings trap to me..So everyone would tune into his show..He said this on Leno?? LOL!! Yes maybee someday he will tell us that he did it all for ratings and his reasonable belief is because of Amy Bradley and stats on Sex Trafficking in Columbia and Venezuela. Without giving out too much information that she is alive?? He gave out zero!!
Maybe Natalee was kept alive until the 7th or the 8th. The body of a young blonde woman who’s body can be seen with a massive chest wound has rope burns around each ankle suggesting that she was being held against her will. She may have been raped and tortured repeatedly by the person that she was delivered to. Sure, maybe she passed out and was taken to the Sloots, but how do we know that she wasn’t revived? The four o’clock “pick-
up” may have been a drop off, instead.
I still believe that someone had their eye on Natalee and although she wasn’t shipped off the island, she was a sex slave to someone. Remember, even the locals have heard rumors about wealthy men who stay at the Holiday Inn and abduct women, or have them abducted, for sexual purposes. Remember the cartoon of the Holiday Inn with all the shallow graves in the flower beds near the sidewalk?
There were witnesses that said that they saw a woman being picked up and put into the back of a pick-up. Could that have been Natalee after she passed out? There were also witnesses that said that they heard a woman screaming in the parking lot. Could that have been Natalee being delivered to the Holiday Inn Suite at 4am?
Where does all this money come from that has been paid to the government officials to keep their mouths shut? Why does Guido, leave the island so quickly after Natalee’s disappearance and why was there such a fuss about the casino tapes being handed over to the media? Who or what is on that tape that is so incriminating that Posner would get so angry.
Speaking of which… Where is Posner? Why has no one seen hide or hair of him since Natalee’s disappearance. Isn’t it him that is truly responsible for all the girls being brought over to dance, entertain and provide “special” room service at his establishments?
Could Natalee be alive? Not if the body in the bushes and the corpse in the bag are her, but there is no proof, absolute proof.
P.S. The body I saw at the rocks had her right hand and lower arm cut off (or atleast it looks that way). Has there been any scientific determination that the hand that was found on the coast of Venezuela, truly, that of a monkey?
P.S. I think it’s already been determined that Paulus knew of and helped with the trafficking of young women in and out of Aruba, preparing Natalee for a delivery for a price would not be a long stretch for him. Maybe that was what the ATM stop was for… not to get money out but to make sure that the money was deposited in.
Was it Posner, or just someone that he knew? A Lion and Joran only a scape goat?
ANYTHING is possible.
Late, I know. I can’t sleep, so I came into the kitchen for a bowl of Cheerios.
Yoyo, I’m not saying that Junior was not lying. I said to me he is believable. When I saw the video of Junior, he was speaking Spanish, and I can tell there are parts where, in any language, he is lying. One part is when they ask him to describe the body. At that point, he got carried away and he embellished his story, thus the lie. He didn’t really see the body; he saw Joran, Paulus, and the two Ks looking for the body.
I don’t mean any disrespect for Jamie. I don’t. He put so much of himself into this case. He sweated blood over this case, and it may very well have killed him. Jamie was a cop, and when a cop finds out someone is a drug addict, it blows their credibility, especially if monetary gains are at hand. It’s true, and anyone who knows a policeman who has been a policeman long enough to become a cop knows I’m credible here. The policeman in Jamie wanted to believe Junior, and thus the polygraph 4 times: but the cop in Jamie said Junior was lying.
Junior was lying—that is, he embellished the truth. He should have been asked only parts of the story to see if he was lying or not.
What was a lie? Was he at the landfill? Is that a lie? Did he see someone at the landfill? Was that a lie? Did he see Paulus or Joran, or the two Ks? Was that a lie? Did he see a body? No, of course not, and thus the lie.
My theory is that all was a truth, until they ask him to describe the body, which he did not see, and which he could not describe. He did describe the small swimming pool, that he saw them moving as they looked for Natalee, but he did not see them put a body under it. Dave found the pool, so the pool is a truth of some sort—-right?
Observer, You can’t see the guy move the arm and hand in video #8? It has to be Natalee or some other small, white, female that was killed during this same time. That’s Harry the Nose in the clips with the dogs. If anyone can find a body, it is Harry.
Yoyo, how the rock video fits in with the landfill, I don’t know: but some how it does. I thinking Natalee was cut into pieces. (Forgive me, for my sick thoughts. I hope that didn’t happen.)
Jerry
What would the phrase ” Something bad happened to Natalee” pertain to the sex slave theory?
If you recall the boys have said Natalee was coming in and out of consciousness. Add to that Joran stated that Natalee fell and hit her head on the rocks. Let’s not forget that Deepak telling Joran that if they find the girl the will see all the shit.
These boys were unaware that Paulo’s disposed of Natalee’s body. The boys were creating a scenario in the offshoot that Natalee’s body would be found. They did not know at the time of the statements that Pauley had taken care of making sure Natalee was never found, Hence….no body no case.
http://www.scrux.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=664
Fierljepper has posted a scenario/rationale chart
Maggie,
Thanks for posting that statement from Dr. Baden on Greta’s show.
It is spot on:
‘… in the Natalee Holloway case, they were more worried about doing something about tourism then investigating the chance a local killed her.”
And by local, we of course mean J2K, (especially Joran).
Even though none of the three were born on Aruba, that is where J2K made their homes.
With regard to Junior having some details but not others….
What if Junior saw Paulus parked near a dumpster, like say near a fast food place 4AM? What if he didn’t think anything of it at the time.
What if he again saw Paulus at the landfill and only then surmised that maybe he had dumped her in that dumpster near the fast food place-which then got dumped at the landfill- because Paulus was now at the landfill NEAR the blue swimming pool that perhaps Junior had seen in that dumpster near the fast food place the night he saw Paulus there.
Vagrants dig through dumpsters. Junior could have dug in that dumpster before Paulus showed up, knew there was a blue pool in it, and then just put 2 and 2 together in assumption after seeing Paulus at the landfill messing with the blue pool-and after reading or hearing about a girl being missing who was connected to the VDS’s- because both Paulus and the blue pool were connected.
This theory could cover all Junior passed on the test and also leave open that he never actually saw a body! He was assuming and was right about everything but he had to lie and say he saw a body so people would believe him.
Druggies don’t rationalize their thoughts like I’ve printed them out above. They would not be able to say how they came to some conclusion because their brains are fried. They would know, but not be able to verbalize effectively. So saying he SAW a body would eliminate his having to explain his suspicions based on what he witnessed 2 different times.
Miss U:
Just for arguement sake, let’s assume that Joran
didn’t kill Natalee and that she was delivered
up to someone, sold as a sex slave:
Naturally, the last person seen with her would be
the suspect. But in this case, Joran knew that to
tell the truth about what really happened would
mean that he would have that person, and, possibly
Posner or the mob after him. The truth would’ve
revealed secrets about the sex slave industry
including his father’s involvement in it.
The fact that they say that she was going in and
out of consciousness doesn’t mean anything to me
other than the fact that they were going to blame
her death on drug-use, which they did and continue
to do. I don’t buy it. I never bought it.
The person that I saw at the rocks was bound and
tortured, the proof of which is the blood that is
seeping from her ankles and the bruising in the
shape of a rope. The person that did this to Nat
had done it to others, as well…. thus, if they
find her, they find all the others, too, ie all
that shit.
The following day, a bag was dropped off at the
racquet club, kept behind the counter and then
picked up by 2K later. That could have been their
share of the pay-off money, thus the phone call
from Deepak saying he hit the jackpot. And, the
theory of Nat being a crack-head and dying of an
overdose began to take shape, immediately.
If we are to believe Shango’s theory, Natalee was
sold to the Lions, of which certain government
officials are a part of. For sure, Jan Van der
Straaten was an active member in the cover-up of
her disappearance from the beginning. I’ve always
thought that Joran had done it, himself, at the
rocks and that his father picked him up afterwards
but it that were true, Natalee wouldn’t have been
in the shape that she’s in at the rock area ten
days later.
If Joran didn’t do it and there had to be a cover
up of the sale of an American girl to a drug lord
or someone just as slimy; considering that the
unraveling of the truth would reveal an even
deeper, more sinister side of Aruba, it would be
logical that Jan Van der Straaten would offer Joran a mental hospital stay in lieu of going to jail, thus a slap on the hand in exchange for
taking the blame. Thus, there were supposed to
be threats of suicide on the day before the
confession, perhaps setting up the scenario that
Joran was insane. The confession was doomed as
in admissable which would have locked that insanity plea in, perhaps…
For Jan Van der Stratten, the Ministers of
Injustice, as well as the reputation of the island
of Aruba could be saved. What threat is the
murder of a girl by a seventeen year old psycho-
path to the reputation of an island in comparison
to the sale of an American girl into the sex
slave industry, the filming of her rape, torture
and murder and the exposure to the world that
these things are common place in Aruba, only
normally with Central and South American refugees.
If the truth got out about the Lions, the whole
corrupt system would have come crashing down.
ATA wasn’t worried about Joran accidently killing
someone, ATA was worried about their reputation
being spoiled by an active, lucrative sex slave
operation that was being operated by some of the
most powerful political figures on the island.
Something happened that made them change their
minds about making Joran the scape-goat. The
bodies at therocks were removed and there was an
attempt to secure that the future of the island
of Aruba would continue to be a happy one with
no one paying a debt to society.
Jan Van der Straaten was there, as well as many
of the ministers, they all knew what was lying
among those rocks, but they rolled the dice and
so far have come out the winners in what will
probably become one of the greatest mysteries.
I say let’s hunt the Lions.
Like Richard says: Where is our government in
all of this? Is an American citizen to be allowed
to be kidnapped, tortured and murdered with no
justice? But more than that, are foreign govern-
ments to be allowed to cover up the crime and
hold the remains hostage? It’s all right there
on tape… the Lions devouring our young.
The problem with most criminal cases is a lack of clues or evidence.
In Natalee’s case evidence was abundant and destroyed.
And yet there are/were way too many clues given by everyone; and I do mean everyone. The difficulty here is too many stories to pick from as to which is the right one or which parts are true.
IMHO it is as if there are a half dozen Natalee’s.
Although PVDS said he picked up Joran at McDonald’s at either 11:00 pm or 4:00AM he never said which McDonald’s. It was not at 11:00PM because in the first part of his book Joran was home at that hour. It most likely was around 4:00AM.
There are three McDonalds on Aruba.
One on the northwest side near the Casinos.
One in Orangestad.
And one in Santa Cruz at 54 B.
http://www.arubayp.com/ListBossPage.html
Type in search Mc Donalds
Click on red list view
Click on view all
http://www.athaia.com/images/cartes/aruba_oranjestad.gif
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif
See how close Montana is to the Gold Mine Ruins. (D7)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lysha/199165911/in/set-72157594191831720/
Although he doesn’t say which one, could this be the church Dave mentions in his book?
For those who have asked what and why crypts are used on Aruba: go here
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lysha/199165905/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lysha/199165907/
They use crypts for above ground burial vaults because it is easier than digging six feet down in the hard ground for burials. Remember Aruba is an extinct volcano and the ground is extremely hard. Forget burials at the beach and the Fisherman’s Huts; as the sand is imported and is only about 18 inches deep. After that it is extremely difficult to dig a grave without a back hoe. Speaking of back hoes; the only reference in this case to a backhoe was on the Van der Sloot’s property. After the hole was dug the back hoe operator was asked to leave the property prior to the hole being filled.
Any shallow grave would have been dug up by wild dogs that roam the island.
Wild dogs are especially abundant in San Nicolas. So is an abundance of trash. It may be very possible the blood on the mattress found in Grape Field could have been from an animal. But yet we can’t forget the VCB shirt, glasses and liquid found in Lago Colony in San Nicolas.
For those who have asked about caves:
What is unseen is larger than what is seen.
http://www.lago-colony.com/CAVES_IN_ARUBA_MOYER/caves_of_aruba.htm
One has to examine what/who is being protected by the cover up.
A)Is it Joran? B)Is it Paulus? C)Is it the drug business? D)Is it the Tourist Business?
E)Is it the sons of prominent business men playing a game of hump the tourist on her last night on Aruba? F)Is it because Aruba is not one safe and happy island? G)Avoiding a forensic autopsy because of noticeable injuries sustained by Natalee.
H)All of the above. Best guess is “H”.
I have been asked about the rock videos and the plastic bag.
About the searches at the rock. I don’t believe a body was there especially not Natalee’s.
Again because of the wild animals an exposed body would not have survived intact.
In addition why video tape the experience?
The “body” in the plastic bag. Again why video tape the experience? It is very similar to Haunting Evidence and the Clausen Investigative Report. IMO they are all a red herrings.
I say we need to see the alibis for Paulus, Geoff von Cromvoirt, Michael Dompig. Guido (Marco), Lorenzo, Sanders, Freddie, Jaime, Steve Croes,Van der Straaten, Loco Stef and especially Koen Gottenbos; from 10:00PM 5/29/05 until 6:00PM 5/30/05. The ALE says they have them, but they have not been made public.
Therein I believe lay our answers.
Hey Guys!
Remember the sex slave industry does not require
that you ship a person to another country. You
can be sold into the sex slave industry within
your own country or in the country that you are
vacationing. In fact, you can be sold into a
state of slavery to only one person that can last
the rest of your life.
There is also an industry called “sex tourism”
which is a lucrative business all over the
world. An example is the brochure that you get
in certain Hotels in Aruba and elsewhere which
advertises that you can order a “Beautiful, Sexy
Woman” to your room… “couples accepted”.
There is also a phrase that’s used in the industry
called “fresh meat” which refers to someone like
Natalee that is innocent. These girls are the
most desired by the men that frequent sex slave
shops and the like. Unfortunately, because of her
innocence and her beauty, Natalee could have been
seeked out, stalked and set up for her abduction.
pattie:
San Nicolas is full of brothels, male clubs and supposidly is the only city were prostitution is legal on Aruba.
I’ve often wondered if Paulus and Van der Straaten jointly owned one or two.
Patti
I like your scenario. I don’t rule anything out.
But, I recall that Beth was told by the FBI, that they think Natalee met with foul play and was dead.
I too wonder why our government has not taken a strong stand on this case, I also wonder if the KLDP is not letting the clock run out, and as long as our government is told the KLDP is active in its investigation, the US may stay out of it until a close of the case.
Red Herrings all over. Was the bloody matress, the duct tape, bones, belt, etc, all part of a cover up for traffiking?
Why was Smid at the sloots home and denied the ALE to a complete search?
BY THE WAY IN 56 THAT IS D6 NOT D7
Miss U:
I don’t know… It seemed at the time that every
piece of what was promising evidence would get
ruled out. I still wonder if the hair on the
duct tape was hers, even though it tested negative. It felt like a roller coaster as each
piece was found, getting our hopes up, only to be
ruled out.
Sometimes I think it was all just a show put on
for the media and they knew where Natalee was the
whole time. Then, too, there is still a slither
of hope that she may still be alive. They talk
about people faking their deaths. I wonder if
they have any experience in faking someone elses
death.
Bottom line is: We have no evidence of her death.
Nothing we can put any credence into. And of all
the people in the world capable of making an
escape, Nat would be the one. Such torture they
have caused the family to, possibly, go for the
rest of their lives not knowing the truth about
what happened to Natalee.
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1906:
I agree… there’s too much evidence, too much
said, but nothing concrete on which to base
a theory. Are those Crypts refrigerated or air
conditioned? Would she have been placed in a
coffin, somewhat protected from the environment?
Still, there would be slippage, darkening of the
skin and some decomposition, right? The body at
the rocks doesn’t show any of that. Would a crypt
make that possible?
Patti
If a body were placed in a crypt without embalming there would be accelerated decomposition and an extremely bad odor due to the confines of the crypt and the Aruban heat from the sun.
Well, if Tim Miller would get back to Aruba and search where he believes Natalee is in the water. We wouldn’t have to guess. Didn’t he tell Dave he knows where she is? He certainly seems in no hurry
#63 Mee….I keep wondering the same thing. IF Tim knows where Natalee is, why not go back and wrap this up so Natalee’s family and friends can have some closure? It makes no sense. I personally don’t think he has any intention of going back to Aruba and I don’t think he knows where she is. I don’t think anyone knows where Natalee is…except for the perps of course. The only way this will ever get solved and / or we will find Natalee is if someone talks or the ALE does their job…which will never happen.
I’m not trying to insult Tim…I think what he does is wonderful. However, don’t say you are going to do something when you have no intent whatsoever to do so. It gives too many false hope of closure.
1906:
That’s what I thought. But even embombing will
not stop the process, only slow it down. So if
that was Natalee at the rocks and in the bag,
she would have had to have been alive longer than
we think… maybe as long as 10 days. The vision
that I see of her doesn’t look like anyone that
was put through the embombing process with dried
but relatively fresh blood seeping from her wounds
and showing virtually no sign of decay. Like
someone said of the picture of her in the bag at
the water basin, she looked too perfect. The fact
that the chest wound is apparant in both picture
frames, makes me sure that it is the same person;
the one at the rocks and the one in the water
basin. But, if it were Natalee, she hadn’t been
dead for long. Instead, she was being held,
against her will, tied up somewhere and was taken
to the rock area later which is why Tim and Mr.
Holloway never found anything when they searched
that area. The amount of blood on the rocks and
even on the ground is consistant with her wounds.
Do you think that they put her in the crypt after
removing her from the water basin? I get the
impression that you think she was put there
before the search of the rocks area, embombed and
then buried under an alias or with another body,
or perhaps cremated.
“I have had a friend visiting me from Aruba and she told me the FBI were indeed on the Island in June for about two weeks.
Staff and management at the hotel where she works were advised FBI was there and could approach them with questions.”
posted by Starr on BFN
The above is good news as it supports previous beliefs and info.
As for Tim, he plans to search in November. It is a huge logistic undertaking and there have been a few delays.
#66…have the plans been changed, I thought Tim was going to Aruba in October..I know, unfortunately, his searches have now reached a priority level, look for those that might still be alive, they feel Natalee is 2 to 3 miles out and 800 to 1000 feet deep, if she is there, she will remain there until found, probably in a cage or some container heavily weighted, why they feel she is there, I don’t know…my guess would be they have the information they need…if you wanted to dispose of a body and remove all DNA, the sea would be the place. Too risky of being found on land.
The other side of this, is of course, abduction.
I maybe lean towards the sea because of what Deepak said, something bad happened and she hit her head. He spoke of returning Natalee to the hotel, which was a lie, but why add the, she hit her head getting out of car. Joran said Deepak put in a porno after Natalee got into the car, she probably got very upset and realize the danger she was in, maybe she jumped out of car, hit her head and died…or Joran pushed and kicked her out of car….that would explain what Deepak said about having chit all over her….
We should not rule out hate crime.
With all the America bashing and calling Natalee names, the stereotyping etc. this could have been a premediated hate crime.
I saw an interesting show today, about kidnapping in Columbia. It was said that only a small percentage of the people who go missing are reported missing because the family knows the rings that are doing the kidnapping and are afraid to even report thier loved ones missing out of fear they or their loved one will be executed.
The show talked about how not all those being kidnapped are from Columbia, but also from surrounding areas. And anyone who is familiar with this ongoing kidnapping (for sex trade, slaves in general, or dispensible soldiers) knows better than to even report their kids, wives, mothers etc missing.
And get this…the authorities also know better than to try to find a missing person if one is reported.
Hmmmm….
In response to questions above, I certainly have no evidence that Natalee either is alive or is in the sex trade. Neither do I have any evidence, in the form of HARD, COLD FACTS, that she is dead.
As I said, we can base theories on Internet surmises. But they provide slim proof.
Art Wood and Tim Miller may scoff at all of our ideas and may insist that they KNOW what happened and that they KNOW where Natalee’s body is in the waters off Aruba.
Who am I to say otherwise? I’m not saying they’re wrong, or that I’m right. But we must hold fast to the idea that we do not know.
If the water search (whenever it is carried out) turns up nothing, will Art Wood be willing to reconsider his hypotheses? Will others?
We’ve also discussed a possible alternative idea: as Patti is saying, that Natalee was held captive somewhere for some time, perhaps with the idea of disposal abroad, until the publicity that the case attracted made it too difficult.
In which case, a forced overdose of heroin might have been administered. Or a gunshot, or whatever.
We simply don’t know. My guess would be, if she were detained, the most likely places would be:
a. on a private boat
b. in a crack den (where presumably people aren’t too curious about others, and where people can be kept sedated by calculated dosage amounts)
c. in a private motel frequented by, and possibly owned by, drug lords as a “safe house.”
Other ideas?
As for what the FBI told Beth … guess who was giving them info, of sorts? The Aruban government.
We certainly can’t doubt their good will….
I also posted this story on a higher-up thread related to Natalee. It took place in West Virginia, and is horrible beyond belief.
Thank God that no bunch of ‘pimps,’ say in a Caribbean island like Aruba, could decide to subject an innocent American girl to such torture … or, worse, decide to subject her to the ultimate humiliation by turning her into a sex slave.
Aren’t we glad that such things aren’t possible.
Details emerge in W.Va. torture case By JOHN RABY and TOM BREEN, Associated Press Writers
1 hour, 1 minute ago
BIG CREEK, W.Va. - For at least a week, authorities say, a young black woman was held captive in a mobile home, forced to eat animal waste, stabbed, choked and repeatedly sexually abused — all while being peppered with a racial slur.
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It wasn’t until deputies acting on an anonymous tip drove to a ramshackle trailer deep in West Virginia’s rural hills that she was found. Limping toward the door with her arms outstretched, she uttered, “Help me,” the Logan County sheriff’s office said.
Six people, all white, including a mother and son and a mother and daughter, have been arrested and could face federal hate crime charges in the suspected attack on 20-year-old Megan Williams, who remained hospitalized Tuesday with injuries that included four stab wounds in the leg, and black and blue eyes. Her right arm was in a cast.
“I’m better,” Williams told The Associated Press in a voice barely above a whisper.
“I don’t understand a human being doing another human being the way they did my daughter,” Carmen Williams said Tuesday from the Charleston Area Medical Center. “I didn’t know there were people like that out here.”
The AP generally does not identify suspected victims of sexual assault, but Williams and her mother agreed to release her name.
A prosecutor said police are investigating the possibility that the victim was lured to the house and attacked by a man she had met online, but Carmen Williams insisted that wasn’t the case. “This wasn’t from the Internet,” she said.
Authorities were still looking for two people they believe drove the woman to the house where she was abused, said Logan County Chief Deputy V.K. Dingess. Deputies also interviewed Williams on Tuesday morning. An FBI spokesman in Pittsburgh, Bill Crowley, confirmed that the agency is looking into possible civil rights violations.
The case is “something that would have come out of a horror movie,” Logan County Sheriff W.E. Hunter said.
The home is in a forlorn part of Logan County about 50 miles southwest of Charleston, where the scattered homes are marked by “No Trespassing” signs. An old shed linked to a mobile home by an extension cord is what authorities say became a hellish prison for Williams.
Deputies found her when they drove to the home on Saturday after receiving an anonymous tip from someone who witnessed the abuse, officials said.
The woman was forced to eat rat and dog feces and drink from a toilet, according to the criminal complaint filed in magistrate court based on what the suspects told deputies. She also had been choked with a cord, it alleges. Deputies say the woman was also doused with hot water while being sexually assaulted.
One of those arrested, Karen Burton, is accused of cutting the woman’s ankle with a knife. She used the N-word in telling the woman she was victimized because she is black, according to the criminal complaint.
Carmen Williams said doctors told her daughter she may be well enough to leave the hospital within a few days, although a nurse said the young woman’s condition was listed as “under evaluation.”
“I just want my daughter to be well and recover,” Carmen Williams said. “I know the Lord can do anything.”
The six suspects were arrested Saturday and Sunday. Frankie Brewster, the 49-year-old woman who owns the home where the suspected attacks occurred, is charged with kidnapping, sexual assault, malicious wounding and giving false information during a felony investigation.
Her son, Bobby R. Brewster, 24, also of Big Creek, is charged with kidnapping, sexual assault, malicious wounding and assault during the commission of a felony.
Frankie Brewster was released from prison in September 2000 after serving five years for voluntary manslaughter and wanton endangerment in the death of an 84-year-old woman, according to court records.
Burton, 46, of Chapmanville, is charged with malicious wounding, battery and assault during the commission of a felony.
Her daughter Alisha Burton, 23, of Chapmanville, and George A. Messer, 27, of Chapmanville, are charged with assault during the commission of a felony and battery.
Danny J. Combs, 20, of Harts, is charged with sexual assault and malicious wounding.
All six remained in custody Tuesday in lieu of $100,000 bail each, and all have asked for court-appointed attorneys.
Dave Holloway said recently that the KLPD are investigating Natalee’s case as homicide. Deepak said if I knew where the body was I would tell you. Dompig said one of the 3 confessed and was leading the cops to the location. Paulus said without a body, they have no case. Straten said he believes Natalee is dead, he seen the evidence. Joran said Deepak raped and buried her. Karin Jansen told Beth, she believes this is a sex crime. Steve Cohen said 2 of the 3 had sex with Natalee and they expect them to be charged with murder and rape. 2 Security guards were held for kidnapping and murder. Cromvoirt was held for heavy battery against Natalee. Guido hired the lawyer that Slobodon Milosevic had. The FBI said it’s not looking good for Natalee, they aren’t denying a crime, they are pointing the finger at each other. That’s when Beth told the family and they began the grieving process. This sure don’t sound like someone who was sold or who is alive. As for Dr. Phil. He had tips called to him and they followed them up and found nothing to do with Natalee. Of course there would be people calling in, some for no other reason then to throw an investigation off like Deepak said he was doing. Just like the letter to Paulus about Natalee running away. Bogus BS. Like Michael Baden said last night, there are some who try to say Natalee ran away from her family. More Bogus BS. We’ve seen no evidence ever Natalee did anything but love her family very much and how responsible and level headed she was. Noone works as hard for a scholarship as she did to just run away or disappear on their own. She was 18 and could’ve went out and got in her car and left. She worked to earn the money to go to Aruba. I’ve heard of no American women in Aruba being kidnapped and sold into sex slavery and before Natalee’s story there were thousands of American young females going to Aruba. I believe all along this was a rape crime gone bad.
When first approached, Joran went into great sexual details and even described Natalee’s private body parts and underwear. All taking place at the lighthouse he said or on the way. It is so dark and Deepak’s car was so small how would all that be going on in that little car and how could he see all that in the dark. Deepak has told of the times all 3 were in the same hotel room having sex with girls. However remember Joran says he never did see Deepak and Satish with a girl. He has been having sex and drinking since he was 13 or so, he says. That drink on the way out of Carlos n Charlies, get the person to the car, before it takes effect?
This is Mickey Johns the security guard and what Deepak told him. Joran used this story right off when the cops showed up at his house the first night. In order for the father to meet with them and they all sat around and made the story up, they would’ve had to done it before it was public Natalee was missing.
JOHN: No (INAUDIBLE) never knew who he was, because he certainly was calling me Jamaican. He thought I was from Jamaica. So he was just talking to me freely and, you know, no problem.
I spoke to him more, and I tell him, “Tell me the truth,” asking, “You saw the guy on the news?” He said, “Yes.” I said, “Where the guy from?” He tell me, he think from Grenada. And right away, I knew he was talking about me, because I was the only one from Grenada.
So I decided to ask him a few more questions. And I said, “So you tell the guy (INAUDIBLE) what happened to the girl?” He said, “No.” (INAUDIBLE) arrested on Thursday. I think a guy should be released that Friday, because, in their hearts, they know we were innocent.
He said a story being made up about dropping the girl of at a Holiday Inn, was all something being made up. He, and the Dutch guy, and the Dutch guy’s father, they sit and made up the story.
VAN SUSTEREN: The father, too?
JOHN: All of them. They made up…
VAN SUSTEREN: Did he specifically say — Deepak specifically say to you the father was part of that?
JOHN: Deepak told me that he and the family sit down and they made up the story.
VAN SUSTEREN: So family and not father?
JOHN: Well, I don’t know who the family consists of. But I know the father was involved, according to him. They made up the story, and they say that they didn’t drop the girl off, because they said they would give the police something to (INAUDIBLE) when somebody is missing in Aruba, they would find them a few days later by a crack house or with some beach bum or something.
I have faith in Tim when he says they are going to do it, if there’s any way possible, they will. I received my T-shirts, an autographed picture from him and also one of the posters about Natalee missing, like the ones that were up in Aruba.
Well said Maggie!!!!!!!!!
Richard:
Thank you for your comment. The part about there being so much attention paid to the case being a possible reason for having to kill Natalee is something that I have thought about, but didn’t want to say. Certainly, I don’t think that Natalee is still alive, even though a part of me wishes it were so. I’m glad that you understood that what I meant to say is that there is a good possibility that she was kept alive for several days. So many people think that sex slavery is something that has only one set of circumstances. It doesn’t. A person can be kidnapped and forced into sex slavery treatment for days, weeks, months or years. They can be privately held or shared among a group. They can be sold and then resold if they live that long; or they can be subjected to drug addiction and forced to work in brothels. There are no rules. The example that you posted about what happened in Charleston is in my mind what being a sex slave for a few days might be like. It is degrading to the lowest level. Let’s hope that Nat didn’t have to suffer like that.
My point, when I say that there is no concrete evidence, is that there is no body. There is no dna. There are no cooperating witnesses to the crime, per se, and I might add that if there had of been, they likely would be scared off just as Disgusted Mom describes as occuring in Columbia.
An important point to be made is that there are sex slave activities going on day in and day out on the island of Aruba. Perhaps American women can come and go without noticing it or without being effected by it but it is happening, right there under their noses. Why abduct an American woman, especially a rich, educated woman when you can go to Columbia and have girls begging to be abducted, in a sense. To have an American woman, like Natalee, is like hitting the jackpot in the eyes of many of these Columbian drug dealers… but they are reminded, all too soon, of the cultural and societal differences; which, to most, is not worth the problems.
Natalee was a lady… a sweet, gentle, kind chick
that was right on the verge of leaving the nest and taking flight. Who ever stole her freedom and hurt her should rot in hell. He was a diablo, a devil, who seeked out what he could never have freely. But he will pay, dearly, when the story is told and it will be told because Natalee will never go away until we all know what they did to her. I, firmly, believe that. Wherever she was held. Whether it was the Holiday Inn, the local crack house or a mansion, the truth will be told.
Maggie says that they all sat as a family and came up with their stories. I’m sure they did because they knew that this was no Columbian desperately looking for a better life, or a cohler that wouldn’t be missed. This was a lady that had a lot of friends and a family that would never give up until they found her. This one would not go missing, unnoticed. She will always be missed. Kidnapping this one will, for sure, land you in jail.
Boycott Aruba!!!
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P.S. I hope this isn’t a double post. My computer is having a Sloot attack or memory
lapse… atleast I think it’s my computer
(Smiles)
Straaten gave signed documents to Paulus and they were altered..here fix them…put the squash on Dompig..and he changed his story…Aruba was not equipped to handle what was necessary to proceed effectively and they knew it, so just screw it all up, plus Straaten gave the orders, Dompig didn’t want to look like an ass so he made up, “this is the final phase”, I need to look like I’m doing my job. Per Straaten, cover it up anyway you can but make it look like we’re investigating to the limits.
So where is Natalee Joran…you need to be hung up by your balls(excuse me folks)but what is left to say…!!! You know, and you like the grief everyday that you can make people suffer…fok der bitch…I know and I will tell you someday…well someday, someone is going to knock the block off of your psychopathic head……!!!!
..and Patti…you are right, Natalee would be like hitting the jackpot, in many eyes, not only Colombia…it would be like stealing the gold…by now she could just about anywhere…China…Amy Bradley also disappeared in the islands of(Dutch Antilles)…I don’t know what cruise ships where in dock that night…but another possibility…Paulus paid for passage….via container…! So, she might still be alive…Everybody lies…so who do we believe!
Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn’t the FBI allowed to sit in on the interogations? I recall that the FBI agents were frustrated that the ALE did not follow up with questioning during the interogation that may have lead to further statements. The FBI implied that the ALE’s approach was soft?
Does anyone know what the legal protocol for the USA, if any, will be available and when in this case?
Young woman are mere toys to the perverts and drug lords!!!!!!
The thing that I couldn’t stand