RSSKelsey Smith’s Body Found 6 Miles from the Home of Missing Kara Kopetsky, Is There a Connection?
The body of 18 year old Kelsey Smith was found approximately 6 miles from the home of missing 17 year old Kara Kopetsky. Kara went missing on May 4, 2007 and has not been seen or heard from since. 26 year old Edwin R. Hall has been arrested by police in the murder of Kelsey Smith. Is it possible that there is a connection between Kara Kopetsky and Kelsey Smith?
(Connection???)
(Left: Kara Kopetsky, Center: Edwin R. Hill, Right: Kelsey Smith)
The parents of missing Kara Kopetsky, Jim and Rhonda Beckford, like thousands of others across Kansas City, watched with trepidation Wednesday as news unfolded about a body found just six miles from their Belton home.
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I think it is very possible.
He says in his myspace that he eats up children and harms small animals..Who else do we know that killed there own dog? It takes a very sick teenager to harm innocent animals. What are the odds that eventually they harm innocent humans?
Running in the parking lot and abducting someone in broad daylight makes me think he has done this before…
The world has gone awry.
I think that if Edwin R. Hall is indeed guilty of killing both of these victims ….. it would not be suprising to learn he has more victims in his past.
Just one look at Edwin makes me want to see him swinging from a tree limb on a rope. What a useless looking piece of human(?) garbage.
The picture of Edwin absoluetely creeps me out…does anyone feel the same. His eyes just seem to me to be pure evil…which I think is rare to see in what I think are blue eyes..but it shows through…imho.
I know I will take crap for this…but I have a feeling that we are just beginning to hear about his story. I have a feeling he was also turn out to be a victim of severe abuse. I am not justifying his actionas at all with this statement…but I think this will end up being a case where parents created and then unleashed a monster into our society. Some are born monsters…and some were created…imho…I think we will find this is one that was created.
I don’t think this is a coincidence. God bless their families. This is a sick world we live in. I can’t imagine what this monster has done in the dark.
He is a sociopath
Edwin R. Hall’s aka “Jack”
MY SPACE PROFILE
(before somebody nuked it)
Hey Jack, if they are letting you read this
from the prison library… pick up the dictionary
and read it cover to cover, ASAP!
Learn how to spell for cryin’ outloud, ya jacka$$!
You’re a real WIT.
(about half)
……start
“Sweet Troubled Soul”
Male
26 years old
KANSAS CITY, MISSOURI
United States
Jack’s Interests
General eating small children and harming small animals, or
maby ua reaing and ua painting photography is cool, want to
own my own company someday. Music Lacuna Coil, H.I.M, And a lot of trendy EMO bands,
(No not really)
Movies anything that pushes the envalope, A clockwork
Orange, Srangeland and lets not forget horror movies!!!! yea
scary (or cheesy)like both
Television Lost Dead like me and eureka is cool
Books House of leaves- daniel Z. The Dark Tower Series-
Kingand also Koontz , Lovecraft all the greats. o yea also the telaphone book, (its a page turner!!!)
Heroes Batman, and my dad (The bastard)
Jack’s Blurbs
About me:
Its never what it seems untill you look inside the book, and those people you look up to are not as cool as they think. I love reading and to paint though I dont have enough time for either. fast cars are nice and hope to own one someday( a fast one Im not a looser I have a car)
Who I’d like to meet:
Gandi why, well to seem interesting and “with it” cause we all know its all aboutwhat others think right?
Last Login: 6/6/2007
Jack’s Details
Status: Married
Here for: Networking, Friends
Orientation: Straight
Hometown: Emporia
Body type: 5′ 9″ / Athletic
Ethnicity: White / Caucasian
Zodiac Sign: Libra
Smoke / Drink: No / No
Children: Proud parent
Education: High school
Occupation: Millwork Specialist
-end
I think if you cannot spell LOSER, that should
be your FIRST MAJOR RED FLAG WARNING SIGN
that you very well COULD BE ONE.
#8
He could very well be a psychopath.
if you cannot spell LOSER, that should
be your FIRST MAJOR RED FLAG WARNING SIGN
that you very well COULD BE ONE.
____________________________
lmao Carpe!!~ I was thinking the same thing after reading that! Add 1 more looser to the crew yo!
This guy is very very creepy looking in this mugshot. Wonder what all he was doing inside the store, its on tape that he seemed to be following Kelsey arround the store.
To bad no one was monitoring the cameras maybe from now on they will, if the cam is for security/shoplifters shouldn’t someone be monitoring the camera’s? It doesn’t cost that much to do it.
Kimberly G. saw a composite sketch of a suspect in Kara’s disappearance and says it looks like Edwin Hall!
It is really wild how Kara and Kelsey
share a number of the same features;
even where their hair parts! It would not
surprise me one bit if it turned out that
he was also Kara’s murderer. When Kelsey walked
into his scope, it probably set off
a chain reaction in his brain,
just like falling dominos.
SEX PREDATOR THRILL KILLERS WILL
NEVER BE CURED / Give it up.
It’s not worth risking 1 more person’s life.
—
4 Those That Missed It Tonight:
THE LINE-UP
Kim G.
Kelsey & Kara
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aDiiq2VjaM
Carpe i think he saw Kelsey in traffic on the way to Target and decided right then to accost her and that he’d never seen her before that day. What do you think?
Tell me who are you, darlin’
WHO WHO
WHO WHO?
‘cuz I really want to know!!!
…… Look at these.
http://tinyurl.com/2g9nyv
http://tinyurl.com/23u6oh
Mayan,
That could be the case. What throws me though is
the fact he took the time to park his truck across
the street. That makes me think he’d been stalking
her for a ltlle longer, before he actually gets
to the Target parking lot. Dunno.
………
STATS:
Kara Kopetsky
17 yrs
5 ‘ 5″
125 lbs
Brown Hair
Hazel Eyes
…….
Kelsey Smith
5’6″ tall
120 pounds
Long Brown Hair
Brown Eyes
…..
whoa…don’t ya know the detective’s are busting this guys you know whats to find out what happened to Kara!
I wish the abduction video was clearer…
Yes, There is a good chance the cases are connected. Also heard that a second person may be involved with this guy….seems he was back to Target to get his truck very quickly….there must be a third location we have not told about?
He was back at Target within 2 hours of the abduction. The spot where he left Kelsey’s body is only 20 miles from Target, so he could’ve very easily made it back himself without help.
Most repeat offenders go fo a very cookie-cutter type. There may have been similiar physical features between Kelsey and Kara, but I think that’s where the similiarities end. Kelsey was the typical good girl – good girl school activities, friends, family, boyfriend. Kara has a little bit darker persona. Her mom said that she believes Kara disappeared when she stepped outside of school for a smoke. Kara was only 17, not legal to smoke. Most schools are also tobacco-free environments. That’s just a minor thing but an example I recently read. The biggest thing is the supposed ex-boyfriend. Check it out:
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/mostpopular/story.aspx?content_id=9c1abb17-6dee-4e8b-a773-63b3e0c42b79
Hmmmm…..correct me if i’m wrong guys but i thought this punk followed Kelsey in the Target parking lot and pulled into a parking spot right next to her car, and followed her into the store a couple minutes after she went in?
He came out of the store as Kelsey was checking out, brought her car to the Macy’s Lot across the street in 2 hours and then had to go back to his truck that was still in Target’s lot?
No??
Correct, Mayan. According to the video, Hall drove around the back of Target and pulled into the same lane Kelsey had used (without hesitation.) The steady actions speak to Hall having spotted her before going around the back. He may have been trying to get there at the same time–to do the deed before she went into Target, not after. MO
He parked the pickup truck in the Target lot, abducted Kelsey, drove off with her (in her car,) and later drove her car to the Macy’s lot (around the corner, according to the map.) Then, Hall proceeded to the Target lot to retrieve his pickup.
Planned and executed, the deed took less than 20 minutes for the abduction. I think the only thing that went wrong was the possible plan to abduct her before she got into Target. (my speculation)
Thanks Warf!
Interesting that you think his plan was to abduct Kelsey as she gets out of her car to enter the store, i think you could be right. The video quality stinks and i haven’t seen the video of him going arround back of the store, is there a link to it?
He has listed as one of his favorite movies.. Strangeland.
This is what the movie Strangeland is about. Ironic it’s about a cop’s daughter.
The place is Helverton, Colorado, a town of about 350,000 people. 15-year-old Genevieve Gage and her best friend Tiana Moore are typical teenagers who spend a lot of time surfing the internet and sending messages to strangers in chat rooms. Upon “meeting” another apparent student who goes by the screen name of Captain Howdy, Genevieve and Tiana decide to attend a party at Captain Howdy’s house. As it turns out, Captain Howdy has lured them into a darkness from which there may be no permanent escape. But what Captain Howdy doesn’t know is that Genevieve’s father is local cop Mike Gage. When neither Genevieve nor Tiana has returned home by the next morning, Genevieve’s mother Toni alerts Mike. With the help of a younger cop named Steve Christian, Mike tries to find Genevieve and Tiana. Things take an unexpected turn when Tiana’s car is pulled out of a lake, and Tiana’s tortured body is found in the car’s trunk, with her mouth stitched shut. There’s no sign of Genevieve. Mike discovers that Captain Howdy is into body art that includes tattooing, piercing, branding, and scarification.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0124102/plotsummary
Jack/Edwin hall could’ve maybe seen Kelsey’s profile and location on My space or Facebook or knew her from the internet. I believe he was stalking her before she ever got to Target. Remember BTK said he would pick out his victim and watch them for days.
The second or third ping on her phone was 10 miles outside of town and the next was 20 miles outside of town, near where she was found last week. The last one was back at the parking lot. They said the time between the 10 and 20 mile ping indicated they stopped in that time or the car would’ve been much farther than 20 miles away.
As for Kara, haven’t seen anything that links this guy to her yet. Although I agree it’s very suspicious that close and if cameras had not been present, Kelsey might too be just a missing girl. I too seen the sketch Kimberly is talking about, it was shown on Nancy Grace’s show and it looks very much like Jack/Edwin.
He had good adoptive parents it seems. They said he had behaviour, agressive problems when they got him and they thought with some tlc, it would change, but it didn’t and they gave him back. The problems were before he was 7. I had heard from his biological father. Uusually child abuse comes out in some form in later years, not always criminal behaviour though.
Just seeing Kelsey and Kara,whether she smoked or not, it makes one heartsick. 2 beautiful girls robbed of everything for what??!
GOATEE INDICATOR:
Composite (Kara’s case): no goatee.
Target video: goatee
Custody video: no goatee
When was Hall clean-shaven; when did Hall have a goatee; or, was there a false goatee?
What is the physical description of the sister Hall threatened?
Wow Maggie…..that movie having one of the victims being a cop’s daughter is just way weird!
It was said this guy didn’t have a police record after he became an adult. So if he has comitted other crimes he either controlled his actions or hid his crimes very well.
Guess the guy isn’t confessing or we’d have heard of it.
That didn’t come out right sorry (i’m watching Hannibal),
I meant to say….he either controlled his behaviour and stayed out of trouble or he was good at hiding his crimes.
To clarify, this would have nothing to do with the sister (personally) and everything to do with Hall being twarted.
Hall has a goatee and black hair in his driver’s license picture from a long time ago. He obviously went back and forth between clean-shaven and goatee.
Maggie, I didn’t mean to imply that Kara is bad for smoking. I’m a former smoker and still have an occasional puff with a drink myself. I was just comparing the difference personality types and certainly didn’t mean to offend.
Kelsey / Kara Map of events.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXEV1PFz1qw
All the listed books, movies, music and tv shows
on his MY SPACE Profile.
It is all sci-fi, horror, fantasy world stuff.
Justice for Kelsey!
This guy has a high possibility of being the perp in both crimes. An angry young man with a chip on his shoulder against women and (obviously from his MySpace page) hate toward his father whom he lovingly calls “The Bastard”.
The fact he came back to the scene in Kelsey’s car and was bold enough to park in the same spot is no surpise. These kind of criminals LOVE to revisit the site of the crime, or take something personal from the victim and/or crime scene to keep it alive to them as long as possible. Some feel they must reoffend more often than others. The fact this young man was active on the INternet shows he may have satisfied this need with role-playing (as do many sex offenders). Unfortunately, this behavior only nurtures the growth of such behavior.
The fact he loved the Strangeland book is also no surprise, but a confirmation of the way he likes to think. (thx to whoever gave the briefing on the content)
I remember watching a History Channel special about a serial killer who abducted dozens of women in the southwest and midwest and killed them as he pretended to be a photographer. He finally captured a 17 yr old who he decided not to kill, and instead forced her to lure more victims to him…but for some reason let her go as the cops closed in!! Dropped her at an airport with money (go figure).
The police did wind up killing him in a shootout and found a book in his car that was about a man who kidnapped a young girl and she fell in love with him. Weird? Well, if you do not consider these people are not normal it would be…
Brenda
just read that Hall had JUST moved to the area a couple of months ago. Interesting….2 dead teenagers within that time period and found within 6 miles of where this guy lives.
I also read that the adoptive parents gave him up when he was 15 and (apparently) had not seen him since. That was 11 yrs ago…so those of you prejudging already and stating the adoptive parents should have identified him…you can shut up already. They did not realize it was him. Would you recognize someone in a grainy video YOU hadn’t seen for 11 yrs.?? Being he probably grew up a little bit, it would have made identification for the x-adoptive parents quite difficult.
This guy hit a 7-yr old on the head with a bat, and did threaten another adopted sister with a knife which is why he was put back into state care.
Brenda
The guy he hit with a bat was 11. Edwin and his adoptive parents were sued in 2002 for $50,000 for it when the victim turned 18 and was no longer a minor. The adoptive parents were included in the lawsuit because Edwin had been a minor at the time of the incident. However, it was settled out of court and the charges dropped.
Interestingly, Edwin did meet with his ex-adoptive mother in 2002 also. He called her and she met him away from the home. She said that she left the meeting convinced that he had turned his life around. I don’t know if they really had any correspondence after that. Edwin’s son is 4, which means his wife was probably pregnant with him in 2002. Maybe that is what sparked Edwin to want to contact his former mother?
As for the residence of Hall, he lived in MO in early 2007. I would say for just a few months, although he did have a Missouri driver’s license. So he had been gone from the area where the girls where for a period of time. However, it’s only a 20-25 mile distance from Olathe. They lived in Olathe, where he was living at the time of arrest, 3 times (according to his wife’s Myspace).
I can’t find the link this morning, but I read last night that there is a 53 year old woman accusing Hall of verbally harrassing her back in April. Apparently he told her she had a nice butt. LOL
thx katy…the report I read said 7 yrs, but we all know how accurate the news ALWAYS is…
Either age, I do feel sorry for his adoptive parents who had no clue how to deal with such a troubled kid. Imagine…one adopts a child they KNOW has problems and winds up sued? What a joke! I would never adopt a troubled kid after learning that, and I’ve seriously considered adopting one after my own are out of the house (one about to finish college, one about to finish high school).
If law suits are how these good people were thanked by society for giving of themselves to a troubled kid, I can see why no one wants to be bothered. I ain’t loosing what I’ve worked my ASS off for 30+ yrs to build over a kid who cannot control himself. Sad…I honestly wanted to do this, but no more!!!
Brenda
Brenda … you say Hall had just moved to the area. Do you know where he had been living before?
Does anyone think that a steady diet of quasi-pornographic (if not outright trash) movies might have tilted this animal’s mind? I’m basing this idea on the stuff mentioned up above ….
Sorry, Brenda, you said he was from Missouri. I missed it ….
He lived in South Kansas City when he was in Missouri, which borders Grandview where he left Kelsey’s body. Honestly though, his former Missouri address is really about the same driving distance to where she was found as is the Target (longer mileage, same drive time). The big difference is difference is state lines. Where he left her body is only about 10 miles from the state line though.
Here’s the grandma story:
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/mostpopular/story.aspx?content_id=33f8ad20-0476-4b68-b32e-15a6e4012af5
Richard, I’ll look for the article in a little while, but I do not know off the top of my head (I surf between this and that when I’m working.) I do know he and his family had only been where they are now for a few months.
As for the trash this young man chose to watch causing his behaviour, I do not believe that is the case. I am of the opinion a person will only watch that kind of stuff, or participate in various roleplaying, if they are already dwelling on such thoughts. Rather than realizing they should not indulge those thoughts, they embrace them and WANT to do so. They then seek release of the pressure they put themselves under by more and more roleplaying/fantasy, or by eventually acting out to commit the act(s).
Think about it, how interested are you in looking at porn on your computer? I bet 0%!! You have made the choice not to participate in such becasue you see it is evil.
Whatever causes a person to lean toward evil is a great mystery in my opinion…and it’s not 100% due to how one was raised. For instance, we hear of kids raised in ghetto or otherwise who rise above and become successful in life while all of his/her siblings and friends waste there lives in the streets, get hooked on drugs, sex, or something else destructive. What is inside a person that allows them to see the “Light” and press towards it rather than shy away and lean towards the “dark side”? Wish I had the answer, but if men and women were honorable, those porn sites would neve be accessed ever. Would not even be legal. Can you imagine our founding fathers allowing such a thing? I can bet my life they would not allow it….period. Freedom of choice and voice is being terribly abused in our America and around the world unfortunately.
Brenda
The many faces of Kelsey Smith. =)
http://tinyurl.com/2ftee8
LOOK HOW CLOSE WE ARE
TALKING DISTANCE WISE!
http://tinyurl.com/3XXsd6
???
http://tinyurl.com/23u6oh
What a shame! Iran (yes, IRAN) is announcing death penalty for citizen caught participating in the production of pornography…one good thing coming from Iran…
Brenda
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,281592,00.html
Yesterday I actually spoke to the employee that replaced Kara at her job. It was surreal, very sad.
http://xrl.us/2egr (Link to http://www.thekansascitychannel.com)
6-14-2007 Thursday Edwin Hall image
http://xrl.us/2egs
….
*notice the scar on his nose…
I pray it was compliments of Kelsey
& she looped that li’l uber psycho poozle
up a good one!
Justice for Kelsey!
http://xrl.us/2egu
BREAKING…
—-
DUDE…
I think
I have figured it ALL OUT in the Kara Kopetsky case.
(SOLVED!)
…..
She was abducted by 80′s child actor,
Corey Feldman!!!
Here take a look:
http://xrl.us/2esg
……..
I am currently working
on contacting Los Angeles Police
right now, to see what can be done this!
(anyone have a prepaid phonecard? just kidding)
—-
hey…
Seriously, for a minute…
Have u seen Kara Kopetsky?
Look:
picture & info, plus a contact number
http://xrl.us/2esf
More at Kara’s MY SPACE page!
http://www.myspace.com/findkarakopetsky
Website:
http://findkarakopetsky.com/
…..
Pass it on! Bring her home. Thx
KARA KOPETSKY SECURITY VIDEO
FROM SCHOOL.
…….
Here is what she looked like & was
wearing on her last day of known contact
with anyone. May 4th, 2007.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfAjA5L599U
I’m thinking it is too coincidental to not be Edwin Hall. Time frame, location, age and looks of both girls. I wonder if they have Edwin’s cell phone records for the time Kara went missing to see if he was in the area. I’m also thinking he took Kelsey from Kansas and she was found in Mo while Kara was taken from Mo and that they should be looking in Kansas. It is right on the boarder to both states. I was looking at the map and there is a large wooded area in Stilwell, KS that is only about 8 miles from where Kara went missing.