RSSCriminal Investigation in Aruba against 3 Suspects Still On … “there are circumstances that may prolong criminal cases”
It has been two years since Natalee Holloway went missing in Aruba. So many of the 
media outlets have been misreporting the 2 year rule in Aruba that deals with suspects and crimes. If Joran, Deepak and Satish thought they had run out the clock … NOT SO FAST.
The OM indicated that the basic principle of criminal cases in First Instance is that the trial and verdict indeed take place within two years after the ‘reasonable term’ has started.
It all depends on how one defines reasonable and in Aruba nothing has been reasonable when it came to the investigation, search and prosecution of Joran Van der Sloot, Deepak Kalpoe or Satish Kalpoe.
That reasonable term starts the moment a suspect can reasonably assume that he will be prosecuted. This is not laid down in a specific rule, but the beginning of the reasonable term can be when the suspect is taken into custody, or when an inquest is opened against the suspect.
The investigation and the hearing against him would have basically been concluded on this date. But according to the OM , there are circumstances that may prolong criminal cases with more than two years, ‘without being able to say that the duration is unreasonably long”. Circumstances are the complexity of the case, the influence of the suspect and/or his lawyer on the progress of the process and the way the case is handled by the authorized authorities.
If the three suspects think they are out of the woods, they best think again. This time there will be no cover up and being able to run to daddy. After 2 years of a botched investigation and 2 years of a failing tourism, Aruba needs to get their man or continue to suffer the consequences.
Amigoe, June 1, 2007: Criminal investigation still on
Police and volunteers are ready for a big search operation for the disappeared teenager in June of 2005.
ORANJESTAD – Yesterday was exactly two years ago that the 18-year old American student Natalee Holloway disappeared. The criminal investigation is still going. The main suspect in the case, Joran van der Sloot said in April that the case will probably be closed in May, because the usual duration of criminal cases is two years. The OM indicated that the basic principle of criminal cases in First Instance is that the trial and verdict indeed take place within two years after the ‘reasonable term’ has started.
That reasonable term starts the moment a suspect can reasonably assume that he will be prosecuted. This is not laid down in a specific rule, but the beginning of the reasonable term can be when the suspect is taken into custody, or when an inquest is opened against the suspect.
“Both possibilities occurred in this criminal case”, said the OM. Van der Sloot was taken into custody on June 9th, 2006. The investigation and the hearing against him would have basically been concluded on this date. But according to the OM , there are circumstances that may prolong criminal cases with more than two years, ‘without being able to say that the duration is unreasonably long”. Circumstances are the complexity of the case, the influence of the suspect and/or his lawyer on the progress of the process and the way the case is handled by the authorized authorities.
The reasonable term for the investigation and the settlement of the criminal case does not start on the day of the offense, says the OM. The limitation period starts one day after the date a ‘presumptive criminal offense’ is committed. The OM emphasizes that these two terms must clearly be distinguished from each other. The limitation period for a life offense is 12 years, and for murder 8 years. “When the in February proposed new Aruban Criminal Code in introduced, murder will never be precluded by the lapse of time.” From that moment on a suspect of murder can be prosecuted, even if the suspect has been subject to location and prosecution for a few years already”, says the OM.
Posted June 1, 2007 by Scared Monkeys Amigoe, Aruba, Crime, Deepak Kalpoe, Joran Van der Sloot, Missing Persons, Murder, Natalee Holloway | 143 comments |
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“There are circumstances that may prolong CRIMINAL CASES…”
No evidence, Paulus?
“Both possibilities occured in this CRIMINAL CASE.” OM, Aruba.
Is Paulus sure there is no evidence?
Is Paulus certain there is no body, no corpse, no case, no discussion EVER, by the inside crew, of WHAT was done to Natalee’s precious body?
Hey Paulus, don’t look now, but the OM is calling THIS… “A CRIMINAL CASE”.
I thought that Paulus said: “no corpse, no CASE”?
Looks like they are building a CASE.
And it seems to be a CRIMINAL CASE.
Someone, get the buckets ready for Paulus.
Someone, get Anita a mop this time.
There may be some heavy duty sweating coming to an Aruban table, in the near future.
Blah, Blah, Blah…..
The evidence has been there for over two years now.
Any extension in this case is done in the hope of drawing out the case and America forgetting…and tourists returning.
Mark my words….within the next several weeks the predators will be filing with the courts to be removed as witnesses.
We will then see that our chain has been jerked again.
There are too many folks with unclean hands on this one. Its so deep that less damage is done aiding the cover-up rather than putting the predators behind bars.
md
“The investigation and the hearing against him would have basically been concluded on this date. But according to the OM , there are circumstances that may prolong criminal cases with more than two years, ‘without being able to say that the duration is unreasonably long”. Circumstances are the complexity of the case, the influence of the suspect and/or his lawyer on the progress of the process AND THE WAY THE CASE IS HANDLED BY THE AUTHORIZED AUTHORITIES.”
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I can only assume that the Natalee Holloway case will not be closed for a long long time.
For goodness sakes… is this more BS? They make up laws as they go along….I am so sick of this crap I dont know what to do….BOYCOTT SATANS ISLAND…you know on one hand I feel like we should just wait until God punishes the perps.. but on the other hand I want to pay someone to go and break URINES legs. Bet he would talk then.
Couldn’t have said it better myself MD…bla bla bla. Whatever Aruba!!!!!
Like you said MD, they have had the evidence for two years…of course most of it has disappeared. None the less, they know who is involved, they know what happened and they know where Natalee is.
They are so predictable…it just really ticks me off. They think we are so stupid.
Sorry to show my ignorance but who/what is the “OM”????
I Read somewhere that JQK had said on Fox and Friends that the legal authorities will have to make an arrest by June 9th..there sure is a lot of confusion about this stuff.
Why are these three punks still roaming
free when there are statements indicating
that NATALEE DID NOT RECOVER?!
KLPD: Get Paulus, too!
Take your time.Get justice
I agree with you Minnesotadad, it’s all blah blah blah…and Janet quoted the key reason it’s blah blah with the passage that reads “The way the case is handled by the authorities”. Enter the Dutch to clean up the way the case was handled by the authorities and make it look like nothing more can be done and THEN it’s all over.
So question…..what would happen after the case-being based on evidence they have so far- is ended? The suspects go free of the original suspicions against them and then what? If new evidence is discovered, as I understand it, they can be arrested again and start this 2 year process over? If so, then it might a be a good thing to end it for now, IF reasoning that while a case in ongoing the authorities run the show and have to hold certain information private for sake of the investigation….but after the case is no longer ongoing then is it that what information they did have is opened up for all to know and armchair detectives the world over might be able to use that information to ‘figure things out’ and perhaps expose new leads?
That was a long sentence!….So, summary question, If they end this will the information they had on the newly freed suspects become available to the public? Anyone know?
deepak, your going to pay for the murder of Natalee Holloway. deepak,– joran, and paulas are going make sure they walk free, and you will spend the rest of your life, on this earth, in prison. deepak, you will die in prison for the murder of Natalee Holloway. joran, paulas, and the kalpoes are all guilty of murder. We know what they did, the whole world knows it too. joran, are you still soliciting young, blonde, blue eyed girls for paulas? anita, are you still useful to be out of aruba when it comes time for the young graduates to celebrate with a trip to corrupt aruba? We will be here waiting for deepaks time to pay for the crimes against Natalee Holloway. deepak, the stupid, deepak who will do anything for the van der sloots.
KLPD:
Did you see Joran’s interview in Panorama?
This smug creep thinks he’s got everyone beat, including you!
Show him who’s boss and put the cuffs on!
Daddy, too!
joran said he and paulas laughed when the dutch dug-up the yard. he’s a smartass, know it all punk. Makes mad as hell.
I meant to say makes me mad as hell.
As I’ve said before, laws are fine on paper … but they have to be implemented. And the authorities do that.
Will Aruba come to its senses and decide that continuing to take body blows to its economy is no longer the best idea?
I can’t say … what I can say with confidence is, as long as this case remains unsolved, and until Natalee is brought home dead or alive, every day that we can promote the “boycott Aruba” movement is a day well spent.
I’m wondering what the comments about “police and volunteers are ready for a big search operation” mean. We know that Texas Equusearch plans to go back to Aruba this month to search the waters … something that Aruba itself and the Dutch should have done, but never did.
Are other searches planned on the island? Anywhere else?
I’ve often thought that Aruba would never say that the three are no longer suspects, but rather would keep that status in force and do nothing more about it.
Sorry for making so many posts, but I was wondering if we can see any significance in Amigoe’s running this article. If I remember, it was Jossy Mansur’s paper Diario that used to be on its own running this kind of article.
Harbinger? Who knows….
11. deepak – joran and paulas are going make sure they walk free, and you will spend the rest of your life, on this earth, in prison. … sparrow
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Other than the Holiday Inn fabrication … I believe that each of Joran’s accounts regarding how he got home that fateful morning as well as the insertion of the missing shoes has everything to do with implicating Deepak/Satish as being the last person/s alone with Natalee Holloway.
Joran Van der Sloot
June 13, 2005
Proces-verbaal
I, Jan van der STRATEN, police chief with the Aruban Police Corps, state the following.
On Monday June 13th 2005, at approximately 13.00 hours I spoke informally with the suspect Joran Andreas Petrus v/d SLOOT at the police station in Oranjestad.
On my question to Joran whether he can tell me what happened after the girl had fallen asleep on the beach near Fisherman’s Hut, he answered:
“I called DEEPAK and he came with two dogs. I think he raped the girl and did something to her.”
To my question where the girl was buried then, he answered:
“I think that it was buried then next to the wall of the Fisherman’s Hut, for the rest I would not know either.”
Of this I reported on my oath as officer on June 17th 2005.
J. van der STRATEN
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The police report:
[handwritten:] June 14th
Deepak had said that I have left my shoes at the Marriott Hotel. Deepak told me not to worry, because he’d pick the shoes up tomorrow for me. I had left a pair of white with blue shoes of the brand “K-Swias” [sic], size “14″ on the beach. These shoes I bought in the United States. What I also could mention is that during the drive Deepak told me that he was free the next morning that he didn’t have to go to work. I told Deepak that I did have school and that I was tired. I was left on May 30th, around 3:45 am at my house by Deepak. During exiting the car I asked him if he was going to go online. Deepak told me yes. Furthermore I had told him that I would call him the next day. I had asked Deepak if he could pick up the shoes that I had left on the beach. Deepak told me that he would pick up the shoes IMMEDIATELY. Then Deepak drove away.
[handwritten parallel alongside the margin:] June 29th
When I was picked by Satish around quarter to three (02:45am) I was barefoot. I went to sit in front, next to Satish. I don’t exclude the possibility that I had sand on my feet. Definitely did white sand from my feet stay behind on the floormat of the Honda. I had left my shoes (sneakers) on the beach. I had told Satish where I had left my shoes (sneakers).
Translation Credit: Arubagirl
Will deepak be allowed visitors in prison? Are murderers in aruba allowed to have people visit them if they are not kin or next of kin. I’m serious about this question. Wouldn’t you love to just look into his eyes when he’s standing behind bars in a prison that he was sent to when he is convicted of the murder of Natalee Holloway.
We all know what happened to Natalee at the hands of these freaking perverts….and the Dytch know also. What needs to be done and what will be done are two different things. If you were the police on LIERUBA would you welcome the sporter back? After he tells in his book how they look the other way? He keeps opening that cesspool of a mouth and he will hang himself. He has already done it in his book…The filthy pig.
THE NETHERLANDSE INVESTIGATORS ARE NOT HONESTLY WITH GIVE RESPECT TO A LOT OF SURVIVING DEPENDANTS,
AND WHEN YOU BRING PROOF MATERIAL TO THE POLICE FORCE IN THE NETHERLANDS, THAN YOU ARE -THE HEAD SUSPECT- IN THE CASE, OR THEY DESTROY THE EVIDENCE MATERIAL,
WHAT THE TIP-GIVER HAS BROUGHT TO THE POLICE!
IS THAT NOT CORRUPT? AND NEGLIGENTLY IN THE RESEARCH?!!!!!!???
I read that a superior court judge in California dismissed the wrongful death suit againt the kalpoe brothers.
Does the United States not have provisions in law that would afford rights to American parents of an American victim in their pursuit of justice. It appears that all the provisions of law in both Aruba and America are set up to protect the rights of the accused.
I believe Deepak’s attorneys will recognize that any gains that pursuing the lawsuit against Dr. Phil for defamation of character … will be a huge loss in the long run. Whether logic or pressure dictates … I contend that the suit will be dropped to avoid Deepak and Satish implicating themselves or Joran or Paulus in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.
My heart breaks for Dave Holloway and Beth Twitty.
I am speechless, but still determined. My heart hurts for us all, but especially for Natalee’s parents, and family.
I think that inspite of all of the ups and downs of this horrific nightmare,Beth and Dave can still hold their heads up and be proud. You dont see either one of them sweating a river, running from reporters or fleeing the country they live in. They have done nothing wrong and have MOVED on with their lives doing something constructive… where as the others are doomed. The perverts might as well kill themselves cause they are already DEAD.
I get so frustrated. Gawd. Soap boxes. Mightier than thou. Better than the rest of the world.
How many unsolved murders/disappearances/crimes in the US? More than 1, I am sure. But, really, when you can find fault elsewhere, why look in your own backyard.
Quit blaming “ARUBA.” Seriously, is this the 1930′s or are all you Aruba bashers collectively not capable of reason beyond that of an infant?? I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again: I’m sure it only too one Jew to piss off Hitler.
You cannot seriously condemn a nation and its people like that. Oh, wait, of course you can yourthe bunch hypocritical Americans that think you rule the world.
Sigh. Gawd.
Oh, and for those of you wondering about American rights and laws and protections: THEY ARE ONLY VALID IN THE USA. Or is that too difficult?
#26- Jennifer- did you just crawl out from under a rock? I mean, OF COURSE WE CAN BASH LIERUBA…its our God given right…what the blank is wrong with you?of course our RIGHTS are only good in the US of A..thats why we are BOYCOTTING SATANS ISLAND…get it its a third world sinkhole…what the hell do you know aout anything? A NATION? ITs a piss poor volcanic rock… GIVE ME A FREAKIN BREAK ….
HORRIBLE NEWS …
The Holloway Twittys’ “wrongful death” suit vs. the Kalpoes has been dismissed by a California court. Just like the effort in New York.
Natalee Holloway Lawsuit Dismissed
Friday, 01 Jun 2007
LOS ANGELES (MyFoxAL.com AP) — A Los Angeles Superior Court judge has granted a motion by two Aruban brothers to dismiss a wrongful death lawsuit brought against them by the parents of missing Mountain Brook teen Natalee Holloway.
Deepak and Satish Kalpoe say the Los Angeles court lacks jurisdiction.
Holloway disappeared in 2005 while on a trip to Aruba with classmates.
Her parents filed a wrongful death suit last year against the two brothers who were once suspects in the case.
The civil suit claims that the Kalpoe brothers “intentionally, negligently, wantonly” caused fatal injuries to their daughter.
The couple is seeking a jury trial and unspecified damages.
Once again, jurisdictional issues have gotten in the way of justice. I can’t comment on the legal issues involved … but are Humpty and Dumpty now going to come to the U.S. seeking to cash in?
Amen Vicki #25! I think you may have struck a nerve with Joran, I mean Jennifer though! Lol!
Sorry Joran, Aruba needs to sink. It is an island of deceit and corruption.
Vicki – you’re only proving my point. I never said you couldn’t bash Aruba. I only implied that you are doing so blindly, collectively, without regard for the people – the human beings – that make up the population of the island.
Furthermore, being pisspoor and a nation are not mutually exclusive. Instead of attacking & boycotting, consider ways to teach if you know it all. The boycotting attempts and bashing are truly in poor taste, however, I should also admit typically representative of the mentality of the US and its government.
And, by the way, you claim it to be your God given right?? Be careful in your little cocoon to realize it is only your God given right in the USA and a handful of other developed countries. Don’t be so ignorant – it’s unflattering.
29-Richard, please dont insult humpty and dumpty they are cute eggs…the 2ks are lower than a piece of toilet paper laying on the floor…..they wish they could cash in…Dr Phil is no dummy or liar…they have no case. I think they just wanted to get away from that hellhole so they can tell what they know, collect the money and get their mom and sister off of that vile place.
OFF TOPIC!
The Great Kidney Show in the Netherlands just aired. It turns out to be a BIG publicity stunt. Quite confronting though…
JENNIFER,,,,,word of advice ,,,,dont have kids.Some one as heartless as you should not have kids.
31- you are the ignorant one to come to a pro Natalee site and think you can bash me…Duh.. we can and will BOYCOTT YOUR STINKING LITTLE VOLCANIC ROCK till we get JUATICE. DO YOU UNDERSTAND ENGLISH ???? and if the ppl on that EVIL VILE island want us to stop than they better start protesting like VZ does when whats his face turned off their TV sation. You all think you can demand that Beth leave your stinking piece of land without her daughter and WE cant protest against yours. YOU GET A LIFE…your ignorance is quite alarming.
#30 – Cute (the little name game thing you got going on there, really! Did you come up with it all on your own?).
As for the island sinking that is a really evil and cold -earted thing to say. But, I suppose, from a distance it is okay to do that. I suppose you’re just spewing forth (albeit without thinking for yourself) the policy of the current administration: human lives are worthless.
Nice.
Why is this person allowed to come here and call Vicki ignorant?
First she tells us there is more than one person in the USA is missing/murdered, so one missing/murdered person in Aruba is insignificant, yet she’s telling us how important one person is by saying it only took one jew to piss off hitler.
(Propaganda bs).
Conspiracy and corruption in the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. could be placed in one of three catagories:
• Conspiracy (crime) and conspiracy (civil), an agreement between two or more persons to break the law at some time in the future.
• Conspiracy (political), a plot to overthrow a government or other powers .
• Conspiracy theory, attempts to explain the cause of an event as a secret, and often deceptive, plot by a covert alliance .
The case of Natalee Holloway would fall under the Conspiracy theory.
The truth of a conspiracy theory
• Perhaps the most contentious aspect of a conspiracy theory is the problem of settling a particular theory’s truth to the satisfaction of both its proponents and its opponents. Particular accusations of conspiracy vary widely in their plausibility, but some common standards for assessing their likely truth value may be applied in each case:
• Occam’s razor – is the alternative story more, or less, probable than the mainstream story? Rules of thumb here include the multiplication of entities test.
• Psychology – does the conspiracy accusation satisfy an identifiable psychological need for its proposer?
• Falsifiability – are the “proofs” offered for the argument well constructed, i.e., using sound methodology?
In order to prove a conspiracy, one would have to gather evidence into;
Who, When, What, Where and Why was a conspiracy contrived.
• Who would form an alliance to develop the conspiracy?
Would this have been the ALE, the Government, members of the suspects’ families or members of some organization?
• When did the conspiracy alliance develop?
Did the conspiracy develop when Natalee disappeared, when suspects were arrested, when it was announced that her body was found, was it shortly afterward or some other time?
• What was the reason for the conspiracy?
Was the reason to promote a safe image for future tourist vacationers, to protect the quilty or both?
• Where was the conspiracy developed?
This could have happened in Parliament, in the ALE offices, someones home or some secret organizations meeting place.
Oduber: If Natalee were harmed on Aruba; tourism would suffer for a long time:
Dompig: Well as spokes person for the AHTA I have to agree.
Oduber: What say you Jan van der Straaten?
Jan: It’s not good I haveseen the evidence. I don’t think we will find Natalee alive.
Paulus: Well you know where there is no body there is no case. We can’t let Natalee’s body be recovered. We can’t explain away all the forensic evidence of the body injuries.
Joran; On the way to the beach she fell several times and when we dropped her off at her hotel, she fell and hit her head getting out of the car.
Oduber: Good job Joran; stick to all of your stories.
Oduber: Rudy what do you have to say?
Rudy: I think we should replace Jan with you Gerald.
Jan is too close to the suspect and is the godfather. A conflict of interest may arise.
I think Dennis Jacob should now lead the investigation.
He knows how to keep things low keyed.
Oduber : What about the priest at St. Ana Church. He said Dave was sniffing around.
Jacobs; Don’t worry. I’ll call Mr. Holloway and tell him the priest can’t meet with him.
Oduber: What about Jannsen and the search warrant?
Rudy: I’ll get her off the case and send her to Holland.
Oduber: I guess we are in agreement: Natalee’s body SHOULD NOT be recovered.
Rudy Paulus there was a little conflict in your story. I think we should pull you in for a few days and modify that search warrant. Don’t worry; King will limit it to just Joran’s apartment. That will give you time to clean up your living quarters. We will pull in your cars and and make sure there is no evidence left behind.
Oduber: Since your son was involved; it’s your job to take care of the body.
Dompig: What about Deepak and Satish; they are my relatives.
Rudy: I don’t think that info will get out. You know we are going to have to arrest the three suspects: we have to make it look like we are trying to solve this case.
BLAH BA BLAH ETC.
Richard, that doesn’t surprise me.. I didn’t think it would go through due to jurisdiction issues.
Heee SM,
Did you already mentioned that the big Donor Show in The Netherlands of BNN was FAKE. It was a way to get attention that there is a waiting list of 4.5 years to get a new kidney. See http://www.bnn.nl/page/donorshow (webserver is experiencing heavy traffic at the moment). Even CNN was there.
“The boycotting attempts and bashing are truly in poor taste…”
Jennifer:
Are you Gabe’s substitute?
The boycott is a call to justice.
I think when most people say “Aruba,” they mean Aruban
authorities. It is not a dig at all Aruban people. Everyone
knows there are good Aruban everyday people.
Joran doesn’t care about the boycott. He even said so.
He and Paulus could end it today by fessing up
and taking their punishments like grown men.
You need to take your complaint to them.
Until Natalee gets justice, there will be a boycott.
In fact, you should be hoping and praying the Dutch
team delivers justice. Because if they don’t, there will be
further outrage and many more American tourists honor the boycott.
As for poor taste–what goes beyond poor taste and is downright criminal, is for Aruba to cover up a crime instead of punishing the perps.
Crime happens everywhere but coverups do not. Besides, this case was solved
two years ago. It now needs to be prosecuted.
NO JUSTICE/NO TOURISTS
What’s wrong Jennifer? Afraid of being deported.
very nicely said Justice… I get mad and lose my senses…this case has been solved, they just need to arrest the LIARS.
and for the record..URINE uh I mean Jennifer…I didnt say SINKING..I SAID STINKING..but sinking works just as well. Must have been on your mind….hahahahahahaha
nO JUSTICE/NO TOURISTS
What a moron to come here whining about the boycott when they don’t ask their own Officials to do their jobs or hold Jurine & Paul accountable for not giving a rats behind about the boycott and said so.
P.S. Jennifer,
American tourists owe Aruba nothing.
We work hard for our money and will
vacation where we please.
And the effect of the boycott on Arubans
is the responsibility of Aruban authorities–
Why don’t they care enough to deliver justice?
Jennifer is just another troll. Why give ear to it?
Maggie, I too had doubts that this case would be handled differently than the one in New York. Not being a lawyer, and having a rather low opinion of the profession, I neither care to nor am qualified to discuss the legal ins and outs.
In my opinion, John Q. Kelly has accomplished not one thing for the Holloway Twittys. That may be unfair to say; I’m just speaking on the basis of what I’ve seen happen.
I’m wondering now if the Kalpoes are free to proceed to the U.S. and face Dr. Phil in court, hoping for a pot of money.
This news is just so discouraging … it seems that nothing can ever go right for the family. Just as the Dutch team is in Aruba, our own courts rule against “our side.”
We can be sure that the “hate sites” will be celebrating this … and probably misrepresenting it as exoneration of Joran and the Kalpoes. It apparently is based on jurisdictional matters … but the effect is what matters.
And my guess is that a fair number of people won’t understand the technicalities, and will simply look on it as a vindication of the Arubans.
Look to see Julia Renfro and similar gutter-dwellers crowing.
Vicki you are a passionate person on things that matter, we love you just the way you are!
#41 – JusticeforNatalee – I don’t know who Gabe is, so I guess I’m not the sub. But, thank-you for taking the time to respond in a manner void of the personal attacks on my offspring and under-rock-dwelling.
If indeed those boys don’t care about the boycott, then how is it helping? Really? I know I am ignorant on a lot of issues – but I don’t see the sense in the boycott. What ends up happening is the boys don’t care, America tries to collapse the economy of Aruba, and in the end everyone moves on there is more resentment and a a few thousand lives of people uninvolved are unnecessarily ruined. the government officials won’t care. They have their money. So, I don’t get it.
As to your comment on #45 – agreed on the first paragraph. Totally and completely. As for the second paragraph I still need to work that out. If they are as corrupt and evil as implied here, I don’t see how any of the parties involved would care to help any of the other parties involved.
#42 – American Girl, who’s getting deported from where? Didn’t your mother ever teach you about the dangers of assuming things?
#43 – it’s not all about you, I was referring to the ‘sinking ‘comment in #30 from Libby, but thanks for pointing out nothing.
#37 – Maggie – also enjoyed your post, got the wheels spinning. But, I am a bit concerned about your parenthesized comment. Do you deem my remark worthy of being called propaganda? Or, are you one of those people that thinks the Holocaust didn’t happen? Just curious. You don’t need to rip my head off.
And people … now more than EVER … we have to keep the boycott movement active and vigorous.
No justice for Natalee … no tourists for Aruba.
If you can take part in the New Orleans protest … someone has offered to open a timeshare for your use.
Write to VolunteersforNatalee@gmail.com and they will put you in contact.
Let’s be heard for Natalee and her family!
Our courts won’t give justice … let’s do our part.
Don’t run away yet Jennifer before you answer why you are not upset with the Sloot’s who openly say they don’t care that Aruba is being boycotted??
Answer it heifer.
Robert,
Did you see Panaroma’s interview with Joran?
Klaas posted it on the forum.
#44 – for the record I’m not whining – I’m expressing my frustration for not understanding the boycott. Here I am, a supposed moron, trying to reach out… thanks. Really.
P.S. I hope you will be watching De Vries’s
show on Natalee this weekend.
31. Vicki – you’re only proving my point. I never said you couldn’t bash Aruba. I only implied that you are doing so blindly, collectively, WITHOUT REGARD FOR THE PEOPLE – THE HUMAN BEINGS – THAT MAKE UP THE POPULATION OF THE ISLAND … Jennifer
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Jennifer … if the people of Aruba had any regard for the H— on Earth that the family of Natalee Holloway has been through for the past two years … they could have collectively demanded that the “powers that be” in Aruba afford an investigation where justice had a chance at prevailing.
The people of Aruba collectively protested the words of a distraught mother that implied that the Kalpoe brothers were criminals …. the people of Aruba collectively protested the choller issue but … the people of Aruba did not care enough to protest a corrupt investigation that was denying an eighteen year old American citizen justice.
… and you wonder why the backlash from American citizens through a voluntary boycott of Aruba?
JENNIFER … DO YOU GET IT NOW!!!
If half of these trolls would spend half of their efforts understanding why we here want a boycott and what is required to releave the pressure on Aruba, without bringing into play the problems of other missing persons throughout the world; then they would not have to find a place to put their heads once they remove it from their shoulders.
Actually I am surprised someone has not taken the law into their own hands in this crime yet…I still think that day will come. I would hate to be any of the J2Ks and worry about looking over my shoulder 24/7..ohwell you reap what you sow.
As for Deepak sticking up for the Sloots..I may be wrong but DP doesnt seem to be the ‘brightest bulb’ if you know what I mean. He may only know to do what people tell him…like other mentally challenged people.
Maggie, thanks sweetie, but ths gal knows how to take it in and GIVE it back…Im thick skinned[ex new yorker]so nothing can get me down for to long…Jerks like those stupid trolls just show me that we are effecting them…
NO JUSTICE/NO TOURISM
Actually Jennifer, i dont think anyone is blaming Aruba itself. They’re blaming the Aruban government and the Aruban police for being idiots and not taking the proper steps in solving a murder. There is obviously coverup going on here, use your head.
Jurisdiction woes once again, but you folks already know that
http://cbs2.com/local/local_story_152135917.html
We’ve gotta continue to have faith, in God, if no one else. My heart goes out to Dave and Beth
Did you all read the article about Beth releasing her own book this past week?
Sounds like Jennifer made most of her money off of tourists. I guess she should quit being a prostitute and get a real job. Tough one
My heart goes out to Beth and Dave at this time marking two years of injustice for Natalee…
Beth and Dave be encouraged… the truth will come forth and those involved will pay for their crimes…they have not gotten away with anything…it is a waiting game…
JusticeforNatalee | June 1, 2007, 4:44 pm
Hi,
Yes read it, good translation btw.
Heard of the PrdVries program last sunday; at least a part of it will be a re-airing of the show that aired a couple of months ago. But Klaassend thought she’d heard it will have some new things on it as well. I will keep my eyes on all that happens here in the NL’s
31. Jennifer
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Jennifer … considering that Dave Holloway and Beth Twitty did not have the “collective” support of the Aruban people regarding the perception that conflicts of interest within the investigation were preventing justice from prevailing for their daughter … these frustrated parents honestly believe that “collective” support by American citizens was their only option to put pressure on the “powers that be” in Aruba. What alternative direction do you suggest they should have taken?
Beth Twitty- CBS News
“The only leverage that we have in getting any traction in the investigation is when they feel the effects of a boycott,” says Twitty.
Dave Holloway – On the Record w/ Greta
“I made sure that the prime minister understood our position. You know, I had been holding off on this boycott as long as I could, and I told him, I said, you know, The big wave is coming, and if you guys are not going to listen, I can’t help you anymore.”
Governor Bob Riley – CBS NEWS
Gov. Bob Riley called for a nationwide travel boycott of Aruba on Tuesday on behalf a missing Alabama teenager’s family, who accuse the island’s government of not fully cooperating with the investigation into her disappearance
Senator French – Alabama News
The Senate-passed resolution said a boycott is needed because the investigation into Holloway’s disappearance “has been plagued with an unacceptable amount of missteps, miscommunications and inconsistencies. It’s my hope this will cause the Aruban people to be more demanding that their officials conduct a thorough investigation,” French said.
Jennifer,
The boycott puts Aruban officials on notice
that Aruba cannot and will not get away
with covering up the death of an American tourist.
It is an economic tool to apply pressure.
Also, as more and more people become educated about
the cover up involved in this case and the dangers
of traveling to Aruba, the boycott will naturally increase.
People just won’t come to your island. It is a travel
boycott.
The cover up, not the crime itself, will be Aruba’s downfall.
tHE kALPUKE’S are NOT going to subject themselves to the depositions that are required to move forward in their lawsuit. Forget about it. They are NOT getting one red cent off of this!
Who’s got that picture of Geoffery Van Cromviort and Gabe together? I would like to see it.
By the way, if it is him, he’ll never explain it… so don’t hold your breath.
Wow Richard what a generous person to offer their timeshare! God Bless You Whoever You are!
Don’t forget, folks …
The Arubans and Dutch should have searched the water off Aruba. They didn’t; American volunteers did.
After a one-day token effort by some government workers who got the afternoon off for it, the Arubans sneered and scoffed (and, of course, charged their full going rate) while Americans dug up the landfill, looked through dunes, and did the work of the Aruba police. (Not that THOSE idiots could do anything except eat frosted flakes.)
Then, of course, while the Aruban government was boo-hooing and threatening Beth … the Arubans cheerfully held demonstrations against Beth for having the audacity to demand that someone help find her daughter.
We owe Aruba NOTHING.
Aruba’s economy is 80% dependent on American tourism. Ask Tracy Allen of Boston, who was assaulted and who the police wouldn’t help, if she is concerned about Aruba’s economy.
I doubt it.
I sure as hell couldn’t care less.
They live from our bounty, and what do we get for it?
Pick another beach, folks, pick another beach … DON’T GO TO THE NETHERLANDS ANTILLES.
Avoid the place as if your life depended on it. It might.
Jennifer, do you sweat too? More people than Paulus will be sweating before this thing ends. People like you are jealous of the good ole USA because you can’t live here. And what does the Holocaust and Hitler and Jews have to do with this case? Natalee was not a Jew, a follower of Hitler or had anyone on either side of the Holocaust victims or criminals. Did you, or did you and Joran, or are you Joran? If you don’t like us, you better leave us alone, we are not going to get pushed around anymore. And you don’t have to watch your back, we like frontal assaults. Only wimps lie, cheat, and hit people in the back, or drug them so they can have their way. We are what we appear to be.
Yeah why are you people so hung up on Hitler? Is that you ANITA?? I bet it is!~
Jennifer,
No action going on on your on board? Coming here to stir things up? Problem is, when you come here you only instill more unity to us. Your whining is not flattering with that shade of lipstick you wear.
BTW…for the Klaphoes to go one with their case they will have to prove they didn’t say that, now if you have a recording that says you did, how do you prove you didn’t?
I hope they like worms, they have opened a can.
Perfume for all the stinkin pigs in Aruba from the top to the boot lickers.
Anita doesn’t like Beth, she didn’t even offer Beth a glass of water when she popped in on them with Greta. For CRY I, it was so friggin hot in the SLOOT house Paulus was sweating niagra falls and had to go answer a phone during a TV interview.
Now think about it…your on TV with Greta and your phone rings, what would you do? Unless Paulus was expecting some news about his disposal bill. Or was it Boss Hog telling him he knows its a murder and Paulus had to refresh his memory that it wasn’t?
Every pig has it’s day….I hope I see they day, when justice is served.
Do they allow guys to keep their lipstick in prison?
#7 wrote:
Sorry to show my ignorance but who/what is the “OM”????
I Read somewhere that JQK had said on Fox and Friends that the legal authorities will have to make an arrest by June 9th..there sure is a lot of confusion about this stuff.
Comment by kayjay | June 1, 2007, 10:37 am
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Kayjay, OM stands for Openbaar Ministerie which is the Dutch organisation that prosecutes people, just like your Prosecution/District Attorney’s office.
It’s a good question what does Hitler have to do with this mess? Does anyone recall if it was Nadira or Anita who made that remark about the Ayran Nation while discussing this case in an interview?
Re #5: Why do you tolerate solicitation to commit kidnapping and maiming? This is a private blog that tolerates comments, why do you tolerate criminal solicitation?
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SM: Nobody is soliciting anything. People are just voicing their frustration at the way Aruba (ALE & Gov) has handled the obviously guilty parties (klaasend)
74. disgustedmom
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You may be thinking about this segment of the statement which Guido Wever’s parents made to the press.
FOX NEWS
May 22, 2006
AMSTERDAM – Parents’ Statement
The media has certain rights to gather information to inform the public but not at the expense of any individual. As we said, we are all equal, no one is more equal than others, although some American media may think otherwise. There is no better breed, no new Aryan race.
Viet Vet well said.. bringing Hitler and Jews into this is just propaganda bs. Just like Joran saying Natalee brought up Hitler and slaves. It was only done as propaganda to incite hatred towards Natalee and her family. Not one person other than Joran and K2 can come forward stating Natalee made such remarks.
Jennifer also likes to point out this is just one missing/murdered person.. Sounds like Anita.. The girl is only one person, many more go missing in the USA.. that’s what Anita said. That’s what many of them said.. The girl and only one are propaganda too. Let someone take Joran out and “leave him on the beach” or Oduber or Jacobs or Straten or Dompig or the K2 and see if they appear on tv and say it’s only one person. Natalee is not the first person to come up missing in Aruba with no answers and a lousy investigation to go with it. How many is enough, before it’s taken serious.. 5, 10, 100..
People have a right to boycott any country they want to and not spend their money visiting it. They spent more money trying to demean Natalee and her family and covering stuff up, then they ever did looking for Natalee and doing a proper investigation. Duh, no evidence. After they wait 9 days to search the partial property, the car, body and clothing searches and let the 3 last known people collude with a father/failed judge in training/lawyer to make up more stories. 2 years for a full property search. Has Straten and Jacobs written all over it. Where’s that good solid evidence against the 2 guards that were being held for murder and kidnapping?? Nadira blew her own sons time line out when she was on tape on Dr. Phil.. Then she wanted the tape back before it aired.
She wants to see ignorant and unflattering, she should look in the mirror.
@26- “hypicritical Americans that think you rule the world”
We DO rule the world
The translated Panorama article. scroll down the page.. What a sicko…
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?p=172786&highlight=#172786
Holloway Book Released On Two Year Anniversary
Wednesday, May 30, 2007 – 06:02 PM
By NBC 13 Staff
BIRMINGHAM, Ala. — Wednesday marked two years since Natalee Holloway disappeared on her senior trip in Aruba.
Holloway failed to show up on May 31, 2005, when it was time to fly home from the island with friends. Since then many arrests have been made in the case, but charges did not stick on any of the suspects.
A month ago, the case heated up again with searches at the home of prime suspects, Joran Van Der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers, Deepak and Satish.
Meanwhile Holloway’s mother, Beth Twitty, has written a new book about her daughter’s disappearance. The book, titled “Evidence of Faith: Loving Natalee — A Mother’s Testament of Hope,” went on sale Wednesday on Amazon.com.
Thanks “Rammstein” for the information.
This is where Koen used to live: We are looking for him now in Georgia.
http://arubayp.com/whitebook.html?PageNumber=&l_name=gottenbos
Lies Lies and more lies.. We can only hope Koen and Freddy read the latest interview..
page 3: Chapter 3 of Joran’s book
- Koen, Freddy and Joran made a pact, if one smoked, the others could slap/hit the smoker in the face
VAN SUSTEREN: Any drug use or alcohol use by him?
ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: A hundred percent no. No. He is, like, Mom, I would not smoke or I would not use drugs because I am a sporter. I want to make something out of my future. If there would have been anything of that, I would have noticed. I’m a teacher. I work with kids between 12 and 18 years, the last 25 years. So you’re used to so many things, problems that appear with your students. You’re so alert. And I think you’re even more alert with your own children.
Joran’s new interview Panorama
Interviewer: Joran’s best friend Freddy states on June 12 to the police that Joran had told him about the trip with Natalee, “the girl fell down several times on the way to the beach. Joran told me that at a certain moment the girl remained passed out and that they had left her on the beach./snippped/ especially since the phone call lasted 8 minutes)
Interviewer: I ask Joran what he talked about.
JORAN LIGHTS A CIGARET: What is there to tell if I only said that? I do not recall. I do not have an explanation for that.
Could this be the bank that the ATM was used during the early morning hours of May 30th, 2005?
CARIBBEAN MERCANTILE CREDIT CO NV
Noord Branch
79: Use the last name and you can verify were Joran lived.
Jennifer, you’ll never get it because you’ll never feel any pride at being a citizen. And the Nazi thing is a creepy coincidence. You are either (1) Joran the pissant himself; or (2) some lame-brained woman who is boning him.
Jennifer … some people just do not get it and you are one of them!
This is not about a missing eighteen year old American citizen who went missing on Aruban soil under suspicious circumstance. Crime happens everywhere. It is about a corrupt investigation that is preventing justice from prevailing … it is about a corrupt investigation that abounds with conflicts of interest … it is about a corrupt investigation which is protecting their own from implication.
The Natalee Holloway case would be a distance memory if those who participated in the events of that fateful morning had been held accountable for their actions by the Aruban/Dutch justice system.
Ahh, Jennifer!
I had heard that the renho skank had ‘re-appeared’.
Too bad your metamorphosis didn’t disguise you.
Once a skank — always a skank.
#76, Ah yes, Janet. That was it! Thanks!
Ramm,
If you could be so kind as to answer a question that has me stumped.
If the K2 case goes forward against Dr. Phil and the tapes are found to be legit, can that tape be used against the K2′s in the ongoing investigation in Aruba?
Thanks in advance, Ramm.
The article in panorama makes me ill. Actually the whole case does. Another sick individual trying to make money off of someone. WTF? Hopefully the dutch will come thru. This Jennifer person is way off. What was she eating for BF the last 2 years?
koen gottenbos lives in the atlanta area its not in the city limits i think its in a town real close to atlanta. a wealthy suburb of atlanta. i read it on this site they might could tell you or go to white pages.com im from ga and the town sounded real familiar i would like to say sugar loaf, buford, maybe close to stone mountain its all in there close.sorry i cant remember but they had a lots of nerve moving that close to birmingham because atlanta and birmingham are about 200 miles apart.everyone from aruba sux in my opinion EVERYONE THERE KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED TO NATALEE!!!!! THEY ARE EVIL LUST FILLED DOPED UP THIEVING LYING SELF CENTERED SOB”S
Regarding the Hitler comments, etc. out of Joran, Karin Janssen, etc.
You have to understand Dutch culture. Twice last century their world was turned upside down by the Germans. The second time was due to the Nazi’s.
My Dutch friends have stated, though they are at peace with the Germans, they do not trust them at all. To quote one of my Dutch friends, “The Germans will be back and will screw things up some time in the future”.
So, though we and our kids don’t know all that much about the Nazi’s or have a deeprooted hate….those in the Netherlands despise the Nazi’s and the Germans that supported them.
When Joran tried to state that Natalee…while going in and out of consciousness….stated her mom was like Hitler he was making his comment from a Dutch state of mind. Hitler and the Germans are about the worst possible thing you could call your mom in the Netherlands.
Though Hitler was terrible, this deep rooted hatred for Hitler is not in American culture. Joran’s comment made sense for the Predator….it didn’t make sense coming from his victim.
So, I have never talked about this Hitler thing, because it was clear it was a ‘cultural lie’ made with ignorance of how Hitler and the Germans are perceived in American culture, compared to how they were perceived in Dutch culture.
For Karin Janssen to jump on this absurd bandwagon shows just how deep the ‘cultural hatred’ is in the Netherlands.
md
Interviewer: Joran’s best friend Freddy states on June 12 to the police that Joran had told him about the trip with Natalee, “the girl fell down several times on the way to the beach. JORAN TOLD ME THAT AT A CERTAIN MOMENT THE GIRL REMAINED PASSED OUT AND THAT THEY HAD LEFT HER ON THE BEACH. … Panorama Magazine
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Joran tell Freddy one story and … he tells Greta another. I cannot comprehen how a “passed out” Natalee could have begged Joran to stay with her at the beach. Nevertheless … Greta is “inclined to believe him”.
Joran Van der Sloot
On the Record with Greta
March 3, 2006
VAN DER SLOOT: And I knew if I would have gone back, she would have been, like, again, Let’s go – let’s go back. Let’s stay here – blah, blah, blah. And at that point, when I called him between that, there was actually a point where I’d picked her to – you know, in a joking way, Like, OK, then I’m going to take you back to your hotel, if you don’t want to go back. And she said, No, put me down. And so I put her down again. And then I was just talking to her, and yes, I explained to her why I had to go home. And she was, Oh, you know, please stay with me. Please stay with me until the next day.
Jutenine: Thank you. If they are here in the US I would like to know how they got to where they are. They must be staying with friends or family or business associates. AG did have an insurance company. I don’t believe they can get a job unless they apply for a green card and social security number. Or are they going to blend in with the other 12 million aliens?
If anyone wants to go back and read what Paulus said in his first staement::::
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?p=61659#61659
Thanks 1906
this statement
To you question what I can declare with regards to me being
arrested as a suspect of accessory to murder, manslaughter and
robbing someone of their freedom with death as the result, I can
state the following. I find this totally ridiculous and absurd
Why would such a serious arrest, be deamed not?
These charges are serious, not something that was used to just bring Paulass in to talk. Where did the evidence for the basis of the arrest go?
BTW, just like Daves book, I preordered a few of Beth’s book to donate to the local libraries here.
Couldn’t happen to a better crappy island!!! MD it may be “blah blah blah” but hey, Joran van der snoot and the kalpoo brothers are still suspects and THAT is a good thing!!!!!
No, America never forgets. This is not a political party this is the Scared Monkeys and Aruba can bank on the fact that the word gets out MORE then longer the case drags on.
Arubans: want to end your misery? Give up the information that we seek. Your other choice? Join Venezuela. One crappy island is going DOWN.
Robbing someone of their freedom with death as a result
I wonder what Anita makes of that charge?
Aruba be damned. The island is detestable. Never have I seen such open outright lying, covering-up for the criminals, and telling me they are doing their best and expecting me to believe them. Not even searching the suspects house.
What is even more deplorable than that is leading the mother on etc. We are being led to the body, Oops sorry that was misinformation. Also we need to shut that woman up. Making her apologize. Threating to quit the farce. Having to put up with that lying queen witch Julia Renfro. Telling the parents she would show up in crack house. Anita bitch describing Natalee’s underwear. What in the world is wrong with that woman.
After that you tell me Joran is innocent. Please! Also Paulus says I will do anything for my son. I think anything to him means all the way.
“Furthermore, being pisspoor and a nation are not mutually exclusive. Instead of attacking & boycotting, consider ways to teach if you know it all. ”
LOL ROFLMAO!!! Ha ha, I can’t stop laughing long enough to type. Please quote me chapter and verse where it says that Americans are some how obligated to go to one crappy island to spend their vacation dollars! Ain’t gonna happen so move on and continue to build your drug trade as your new economic resource. We ain’t coming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How convenient, Julia ***ho’s hard drive was stolen?
Along with her oyoyo of olay….
threw out I mean…
© 2007 The Associated Press
LOS ANGELES – A judge dismissed a wrongful-death lawsuit Friday against two Aruba brothers filed by the parents of a teenager who vanished during a vacation there.
The parents of Natalee Holloway cannot sue in Los Angeles because the case has no California connection and the courts lack jurisdiction over the brothers, Superior Court Judge Charles C. Lee said in granting a motion to toss out the lawsuit.
Elizabeth Ann Twitty of Alabama and Dave E. Holloway of Mississippi will decide whether to appeal, said their attorney, John Q. Kelly.
“There are all kinds of promising issues,” Kelly said after the ruling.
A similar lawsuit filed in a New York court against another Aruba man, Joran van der Sloot, was thrown out by a judge last summer.
Natalee Holloway, 18, of Alabama was vacationing with friends on the Caribbean resort island when she disappeared the night of May 30, 2005. She was never found.
She was last seen getting into a car with Deepak and Satish Kalpoe and van der Sloot. They were arrested but later released.
The three have maintained that they were not involved in her disappearance.
In December, the brothers filed a defamation and fraud suit in a California court against TV psychologist “Dr. Phil” McGraw, an investigator and CBS Television Distribution Group.
The suit contends that the “Dr. Phil” talk show altered portions of a secretly recorded conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to “create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway.”
That case is pending.
Holloway’s parents sued in the same California court a day after the brothers filed their legal action.
A lawyer for the Kalpoes said he was pleased that the parents’ suit was dismissed.
“It was what we anticipated,” William Cremer said. “The only reason it was filed was to detract attention from the ‘Dr. Phil’ case.”
The parents could file a wrongful-death suit against the Kalpoes in Aruba, but “they don’t have a shred of evidence against them,” he said.
Jennifer says:
“Sigh. Gawd.
Oh, and for those of you wondering about American rights and laws and protections: THEY ARE ONLY VALID IN THE USA. Or is that too difficult?”
…………
No Jennifer,
That is not too hard to understand. Don’t worry,
I will never go to Aruba ever again!
Or as I like to refer to it, the sh- hole
where the murdering, raping, lying,
Van der sloots & Kalpoes live.
I honestly and genuinely hope somebody hunts
them down these Natalee Holloway killers
and deal with them like
the savages they are.
…
Anybody who would ever would consider even sneezing
an American Dollar in the GENERAL DIRECTION
of the land of the Natalee Holloway Murderers
would be a flaming effing F-O-O-L.
By the way,
That boycott would include the
Island of Aruba AND Holland.
Unless Holland makes some earth shattering changes
in the way they continue to mishandle the Natalee
Holloway Case, they should be avoided at all costs,
for obvious reasons. -j4n
lmao Miss-U!~ and katablog!~ You’re killing me…i love it!
I think the ruling is bogus because the Kalpuke’s chose Cali for their venue and the case’s are obviously related.
Doesn’t change the fact that the brother’s lawsuit is going nowhere either.
Miss U says:
…
How convenient, Julia ***ho’s hard drive was stolen?
Along with her oyoyo of olay….
…
ROFL Miss U!!!
1006 – Thanks for posting the Paulus 6/23/05 Suspect Statement…..this alone shows why Paulus should be arrested NOW!
1) Paulus was questioned on 6/19/2005 as a witness. Where is this statement???
2) You will note ABSOLUTELY no questions were asked about Paulus’ timeline for the evening Natalee disappeared. His only stated time during the key timeline period was 23:00 hours when he picked up Joran at McDonalds (we now know, thanks to the Aruban Courts finding of fact, that Paulus in fact picked up Joran at 4:00am the next day).
3) Paulus has no idea whether Joran went to school or not…what kind of parent wouldn’t know if their kid went to school or not??? Was he sick…was he hurt…PERHAPS HE DID SOMETHING REALLY BAD…..what was his excuse Paulus???
4) Here is the clincher….Paulus’ accounting of the night Natalee was killed makes no sense and is actually mixed into timelines for the day that Beth & Jug arrived in Aruba. Paulus begins by saying that it couldn’t have been his son who ‘disappeared’ Natalee as he was playing in a free poker tournament in the afternoon and Paulus picked him up at 23:00 (we know, that Paulus was sitting next to Natalee at 20:30 at a card table along with Joran). Where is the video showing Paulus and Joran leaving the casino??? Paulus story drifts away from this into Joran gambling the next day at the Wyndham when the Twittys showed up. Its as if they needed to slip a timeline (23:00) marker into the interview without fully questioning Paulus’ activities for the night — DESPITE HIM BEING A SUSPECT. It is hard to imagine the investigators accepting such a confusing and convaluted explanation of not only the early hours of 5/30 but blended with the early hours of 5/31. What investigator would not carefully plot out each and every hour.
5) Paulus was arrested as a suspect in a murder and heavy battery investigation. Why is there absolutely nothing in the questioning him about his activities at the casino that night??? When he left the casino??? etc. It is clear, this questioning was nothing more than a way to tie down a 23:00 timeline marker to protect Paulus. Nothing more, nothing less.
6) Paulus states early that he didn’t remember if Joran rode the bus to school on Monday….but then later he states that he had to kick J’s butt out of bed on Tuesday because he had missed school on Monday.
7) More Timelines — note that the Aruban investigators get Paulus to admit that he was coaching the witnesses…but never, ever attempt to get a timeline as to when and where he was coaching them. This is critical. Was he coaching them before the Twitty’s even made it to the island??? Timelines baby…timelines.
Why Paulus was let go as a suspect in this case is pretty unbelievable. This whole case is unbelievable.
md
One small gem of Justice has come out of
all of this… Americans got to see precisely
what Arubans think of them!
…
The way this case has been covered in the media
has been a true blessing!
It may be the only TRUE JUSTICE
Natalee Holloway and her family
will ever get.
…
As for Aruba, I would not spring a mondo whizzer on
‘em if the whole dang place burned
to the ground tomorrow!!!
I would never even consider wasting one more dollar on them.
CASE CLOSED
Let ‘em rot, like the raping, lying,
backstabbing murderers
they are.
…
F Nelsey right in
his ole smarmy
bean-bag.
…
Goodnight & God Bless! LOL -j4n
Hi Carpe
I appreciate your YouTube contributions of the various Natalee related interviews but … sure miss your posts.
Janet
Disgusting!!!! This is an insult to morality!!!!
The Dutch and the ALE know what happened to Natalee and they are not going to tell us. All their staged performances, just to appease us…evidence never acknowledged and so on and so on.
So Arubans…if you want to live like chicken shit…eat like chicken shit….smell like chicken shit…I guess it’s your call…but don’t come here for refuge..we have been your friends and neighbors for many,many years…I guess to you that is not valuable…
BOYCOTT IS A MEANS OF CAN’T YOU PAY ATTENTION AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT….JORAN AND THE KALPOES LIVE ON YOUR ISLAND AND WHY DON’T YOU DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!!!!
LOL Carpe! Miss U’s smmokin!
I’m getting Beth’s book too for sure!
Aruba’s economy was bad,, realy bad…. but like i sad WAS!!
now we are going back up!! Tourism is getting bigger..
we don’t have any problem with anyone but >>
just don’t come and insult are law.. cause we weren’t the one that are letting MICHEAL JACKSON FREE!!
I am glad to see that you guys are not quiting the ” justice for nathalee”.. its sad for her but their’s one big mistaik aruba didn’t kill nathalee!! our law may not be the best but who’s law is !! The goverment suck so how can they be taking side of joran’s??( he don’t even wry about aruba)… and your boycutting us because you think we will tell the truth well think again we don’t now nothing what happend to nathelee…Just keep trying until you get joran to spil out not Aruba.. and we are one happy island wanna now why?? come here ..
if you really want to discus this with me send me an e-mail on Buskaruba@hotmail.com and we will talk..
One Happy Aruba Island… Biba Aruba
if someone call aruba an idiot( or something else ) think again .. Idiots reconice Idiots .. we want this to end and to let joran go to jail … you to .. but he’s dutch and he live there now ..boycutt joran NOT ARUBA..
And don’t think we never helped america .. when kathrina hit ( sad ) we raise a fundraising and help with money.. we are peacefull we want justice 2 but just don’t insult my great island Aruba and our brother and sister … Bonaire and Curacao ..
Brie #111 yes you are absolutley right they know what happenned and I think it is now pretty obvious to anyone who has followed the cases what transpired.
WHO DO THEY THINK THEY ARE KIDDING ?
The shame the criminals are experiencing must just be too overwhelming for any of them to admit or confess their deplorable behavior.
No wonder Paulus was hiding in the bushes when Beth and Greta walked to his gate.
Paulus is a disgrace as a father and a criminal.
Questions in mind: Did I read Paulus’s statement correctly, he said he went to bed in the evening the night Natalee disappeared and did not wake up until the next morning. Wasn’t there a withdrawal at the ATM machine at 4 in the morning? So who withdrawed the money? Isn’t there a camera at the ATM machines?
What happened, Anita could describe Natalee’s underwear?
If I ever see her again on TV wearing the see-thru blouse and her fat boobs gushing out of her bra, I am going to puch!!!
Same goes for Joran, if I see the blue-plaid shirt again and his pee-wee pecker.
No one likes Aruba anymore….except maybe the criminals.
Sorry Charlie
jennifer,
i am sorry that you do not like the boycott. i guess all i can say is
TOO BAD !
#113……If you want to post here…….please show respect and speak English..your one happy island and we are sad Americans because of Natalee…your happy, safe island motto is in the incinerator!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
If Arubans do not know what happened to Natalee, then spend our American dollars and go find out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#114…please don’t bring up Katrina…..
To refresh your memory. When Katrina hit, Paulus’ black robed buddy not only released the predator, Joran, but also packed his bags and got him the hell out of Aruba before our media even knew what was going on.
Great headfake Aruba….
Sorry, but you are all culpable for this. md
#113…OKAY..if you want Joran to go to jail…regardless if he lives in the Netherlands, the crime happened on your island, you need to do something about it!!!! He is the one responsbile for his actions and problems he has caused for you.
Aruba wants to shrug their shoulders & say it was no one’s responsibility, that used to work for Aruba no matter what happened there.
#113- If you know Joran is the problem why don’t you Arubans take care of him and Paulus ? you Arubans need to stand up against the Dutch if they are causing you this problem.
Ramm,
If you could be so kind as to answer a question that has me stumped.
If the K2 case goes forward against Dr. Phil and the tapes are found to be legit, can that tape be used against the K2′s in the ongoing investigation in Aruba?
Thanks in advance, Ramm.
Comment by windy city | June 1, 2007, 9:04 pm
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Yes, but it would still need evidence to back it up, a suspect can never be sentenced on his own words/admissions alone.
It’s so interesting that on the one hand, some Arubans appear on this blog to tell us that the boycott isn’t working. The rest of the time, they’re trying to advance specious arguments about why the boycott is immoral, illegal, or just plain wrong.
The same stuff keeps coming up again and again. It sounds to me like the tactics of desperation.
Let’s do our bit. Let’s continue to oppose ATA … the next chance is in New Orleans at the end of this month.
BTW, reading back on the article that starts the thread, it’s interesting that one of the justifications the OM (Mr. Rammstein, in post #73, kindly explains its significance) cites for extending the period is the way a case was handled. Even the Dutch seem to be aghast at what went on in Aruba, the “one happy island.”
One hopes that they are determined to do something about it.
I believe the Boycott should extend to NL. Not sure how many tourists(except for pot heads and sex freaks) the Netherlands has but 8 years for murder..life offence 17. It is clear they have no respect for human life.
If there is no justice for Natalee on earth, Depak, Satish, Joran, Paulis and anybody else involved will pay in the end, one way or another. Joran thinks he is so smart. Let him try to outsmart God. Joran you can smirk and laugh all you want to. When your judgement time comes, you will sentenced to hell where you belong.
To Viet Vet,
Amen.
To Jennifer-the following:
When the chips are down, when the homeless are hungry, when no one else will help, when it is a cold dark day, when the Hitlers, the Saddam Husseins, the Ho Chi Minhs, and the Hugo Rafael Chávezs take over, when the weak have no voice, when nature strikes-who is always there? Who spends more money helping others than they do helping themselves? Who has the vision and the foresight to take the fight to the enemy before they bring the fight to the shores of those we use to call friend?
Go ahead you American haters-say what you want, but when the chips are down-”who you going to call?”
We (Americans) wear the boot. It could fit other feet, but we wear the boot. Our solders are the ones bleeding for you-the critic, the Jennifers and Jorans of the world.
Jerry
# boywonder | June 2, 2007, 8:03 am
Holland has lifelong imprisonment as well! Even violent multiple-rapists can get that! Please, get your facts right!
Just heard on MSBNC that California judge DISMISSED case against Satish and Depak! I cannnot believe this. He said he had no jurisdiction. Aruba and Netherlands do nothing, Beth and Dave try in the US, and are shot down.
Hang in there Dave and Beth. Justice will be served against these “pimps”. One way or another, it may take some time, but they will pay.
FYI…..just out of curiousity I looked up cruises to Aruba….and found the Cruise Tourism Authority located in Aruba. It said for a listing of cruise ships and their docking schedules select from the list below…the last scheduled date was Jan 2006.
Ho…Hum….can you image that!!!!
Stay tuned…more to come!!!
Funny. In the new interview with Joran he mentions they dug up the garden, wanted to search the well and the concrete by the pool. He and his father were laughing. First off, bet he read that at this website. Second why laugh if you are innocent. I take it that they laughed because they knew that no matter how long the dutch investigaters searched they would not find a body(i.e. creamated or out to sea). JMO. How sad.
# 93
Minnesota dad, please check again with your Dutch friends. I don’t know how old these friends of yours are but only if they were already born when world war II occured, I could perhaps imagine such statements.
It is definitely not true that the Dutch ‘do not trust’ the German people and it is certainly untrue that the Dutch believe that ” the Germans will be back” and screw things up in the future.
Cultural lie?? Pulllease! Total bs.
Why is it so hard to accept that maybe, just maybe, Natalee was rebelling against her mother?
Anyway, the law suit against the Kalpoe brothers was dismissed. What are you going to do now: boycott California?
aruba is the perfect place to commit murder, makes me wonder why the sloots stay. We have the rest of jan, jurine, paulus’, anita, ivan’s, julia’s lives to catch up with them or their children in order to balance things out. time is on our side. Even if you get caught its only 15 years.
Gosh if Aruba is doing so well, why do the Arubans resent the boycott – after all, according to them, it’s not doing any good.
Also wonder why the moratorium on hotel rooms if they are all so full!
It stinks, that the Kalpoos can use our justice system and yet supposedly Beth and Dave can’t get jurisdiction on them. I hope they appeal that one.
#135
“Why is it so hard to accept that maybe, just maybe, Natalee was rebelling against her mother?”
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It is not hard to think that Nat may have been rebelling against her momma, like any normal teen does sometimes.
I think the main reason people do not believe that boo-shizzle is the fact that the Hitler filth dripped out
of the mouth of the gang-raping, murdering, low-life
Van der sloot family from the evil,innocent teenage girl
killing island of Aruba!
Where liars lie,
killers kill with impunity,
and that beat JUST GOES ON…
la di da di dee
-j4n
#135 What does Natalee rebelling against her mother have to do with her being missing? I’m really curious about this since it seems to be a common theme with Joran supporters…and I’d just like to know what it means?
For any remaining defenders of the psychopath Van De Sloot, please keep reminding yourself that HE LIED AND FABRICATED A STORY ABOUT DROPPING HER OFF AT THE HOLIDAY INN AND ADDED MORE BALONEY ABOUT BLACK SECURITY GUARDS ON THE NIGHT HE WAS ORIGINALLY QUESTIONED…if you have nothing to hide YOU DON’T LIE….his feeble excuse was that he was “scared”….well sorry big boy, THAT EXCUSE JUST POINTS TO YOUR OVERWHELMING GUILT….it is an OUTRAGE that this scumbag is still out there flaunting his freedom, he and his buddies are all involved and implicated in this…the people in power on that island have been useless throughout this entire case…I remember Rudy Croes going on TV the night after Natalee went missing and saying to Geraldo that they DEFINITELY, UNQUESTIONABLY, found blood in the backseat of the Kalpoe car..NO DOUBT ABOUT IT…then the story was changed that it was something else….WHAT AN OUTRAGE THIS CASE IS
#l40, since he was out carousing and cavorting the night after natalee disappeared, wonder why he thought he would have been in any trouble that night? just another of his self-serving lies to cover his guilt. and not a plausible one at all.
dennisintn
#139
Natalee rebelling against her mother has nothing to do with her missing! That’s just the point!
However, the fact that most of these posters want to deny everything ‘bad’ that has been said about Natalee or her parents (for example the so-called ‘cultural lie’). Or anything disculpatory about Joran, the Kalpoe brothers and/or Paul van der Sloot.
That just shows that this is not a balanced discussion anymore but an ordinary witch hunt.
The police dogs are barking up the wrong tree. I think Natalie’s been sold into the sex trade in Brazil. She was probably kidnapped, drugged, thrown into a cigar boat and run back to the mainland where she’s disappeared. She was probably then sold to the highest bidders for the first few times and then the price goes down as the more used she gets. Eventually she’ll be discarded like an old piece of meat. Poor Natalie. One youthful mistake that’s cost her dearly. The CIA needs to be looking for her, not the police.