RSSFOX NEWS THE LINEUP (5.26.2007) Natalee Holloway Investigation (Guest:Dave Holloway)
Dave Holloway on The Line Up discussing the upcoming two year mark of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.
(Hat Tip: Carpe Noct-O-Vision)
Posted May 27, 2007 by Scared Monkeys Aruba, Dave Holloway, Missing Persons, Natalee Holloway, You Tube - VIDEO | 116 comments |
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Dave, you’ll never give up … nor will Beth.
Nor will we, I hope.
250 k and I SEE NOTHING KNOW NOTHING, SOME ONE KNOWS,GIVE UP THE PERPS AND BE RICH HOW HARD IS THAT I MEAN REALY GET YOUR CHIT TOGETHER
Nor, will I give up !
Oh my God, this is so horrific and tragically sad to say the very least!! Only two days left, then POOF, nada, nothing, zilch, it’s all over for the family to ever see “Justice for Natalee”, in this lifetime anyway
I have absolutely no faith, whatsoever, in the Dutch and Aruban legal systems!! Justice is justice, no matter what, no matter how much the two legal systems may differ!!
Joran (little pee pee), the Alpoe (arf, arf) brothers, Paulus and the others who were involved are going to get away with spiking Natalee’s drink, kidnapping her, gang rape, murder, etc., SCOT FREE, regardless
God will get His revenge for all they have down…
I know it may sound like I’ve given up, but deep down in my heart I NEVER WILL!! God Bless Natalee and her family always
oops, made a boo boo…meant to say God will get them for all they have done, not down…
The Dutch and ALE farce ends.
No doubt, Allan K…finally after all the wild goose chases (false leads), searching in garbage dumps, rough terrain, including coastal waters, sand dunes, caves, etc., all in vain!!
1 Corinthians 13 – The Greatest Gift – verse 13 – And now abide faith, hope, love, these three, but the greatest of these is love
I taped the Line Up and was disgusted watching that pig Anita and her swine son speak again.
Wait that was Greta’s show sorry. It came on at 2 am and was a rerun and i’m like WTH? There is a mountain of new facts that have come out since that shown first ran and Gretamule addressed NONE of it. She should’ve been booted off Fox a long time ago but now i despise that woman and want her OUT!
Oh check this out……thousands of people in Caracas (sp?) are out in the streets outraged that Chavez is taking their Tv stations OFF the air! Hugo stated the station hurts Venezuela. I was afraid for the reporter standing there but he said the people are PRO American no matter what Hugo says!
Back to The Line Up show…..(i’m yelling now)
GRETA….AFTER SAYING AND I QUOTE “i OWN THIS STORY”. FEATURING NATALEE’S STORY NIGHTLY FOR OVER A YEAR WITH MILLION’S OF AMERICAN’S WATCHING & EMAILING HER SHOWING SUPPORT FOR NATALEE & HER PARENTS.
THIS IS THE SECOND YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF NATALEE BEING STOLEN AWAY AND ALL GRETA CAN DO IS *CALL IN* TO HER SHOW FOR 2 1/2 MINUTE’S???
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Joran is a pasty for dear ole dad. They show Joran and Natale coming and leaving the casino but not Paulus, why not? We think he is at the table indicating that Joran is his son as Natalee points toward Joran. Explains why she feels comfortable enough too leave with young Frankenstein from CC! The drugs helped as well!
Paulus has the answers!
Was my earlier comment erased because of democracy reason..???
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SM: I erased it and to be honest I don’t remember now but it was probably because it was BS. (klaasend)
Things to think about in the final 2 days…
1. We talk about how because Paulus put in a new patio and got new furniture, it had to have been to hide evidence of Natalee. While that could certainly be true, there is another possibility to consider….people get new things when they end up with money to get them with…like when the Kalpoe stepdad got the internet cafe. Maybe the VDS’s got a new patio and some furniture, (and who knows what else) not to hide anything, but just because they ‘ran into some extra cash’.
2. Government employees (of Aruba) were let off a half day to help search for Natalee. Why? They tried to pretend it was all this goodwill crap, but I’m not buying it. Did they want the employees or some employees out of the office for some reason?
3. We keep saying that was Paulus at the blackjack table. And it may have been him. But if it were don’t you think Nat’s friends who were there at the table would have said so by now? I’m thinking it was not Paulus afterall.
4. You know Natalee would have mentioned to her friends what the old geezer was saying to her. Why has this not been found out and said to exclude that man and what he was saying from suspicion?
5. Does anyone find it odd that Nat and her friends just so happen to find an empty table they and Joran and that old geezer could be at with no other random persons playing there? Did that table just happen to open up when the dealer came to work? And what time was that? And did nat and her friends have the inside track? And who was the dealer? Well, we know who the dealer was since Guido’s lawyer said it was not Guido’s job to watch who came in etc, but to deal the cards. Guess it was Guido…who left the island shortly after along with Mike Posner.
5. Nat’s friends said she asked _at CC’s- a couple of them if they wanted to go with her as she’d met some guys. She asked 2 of them, and that is so convenient being as how we have J2K….so no, they didn’t and only Joran ends up with a date. Deepak says he’s bored (probably of not having a date) and wants to go on to the HOUSE. We assume that meant he wanted to go to the HOUSE too, but it could be that he only wanted to take Joran and Natalee there (where they may have planned to go all along) and then go home…to come back and pick Joran up later, natalee going home with her friends.
7. Where did Nat’s roommates really go after they left CC’s? Did they go to this HOUSE?
8. If Nat had ended up at a Rave party and fell out there, could she have been dumped at a crack house ….I mean, Dave got word that she was at a crack house and they did bring a medjet. Could she have disappeared from a crack house leaving everyone confused? or not so confused?
9. Was Joran held in jail to protect him? Anita said she thought he’d be safe in there. Why did she say that?
Just thinking because I can’t help but feel so bad and sick for Beth and Dave and all who loved that precious child. If she would happen to be still alive I would hope someone would just dump her off somewhere and deny any allegations she might make after she were found. It seems like such an easy thing to do…deny that is. So why not?
Mayan,
He is taking 1 station(the oldest private station) I am here in Vzla now, and even many Chavistas(Chavez supporters) are outraged.This MAY BE THE BEGINNING OF THE END FOR HIM4 HRS 50 MINUTES…..and counting
#l4-5. jvds had been telling all the mb kids he was a vacationing student staying at the h.i., just like them. why would natalee think he could show her his house? imo, this is just another of the never-ending list of lies he’s told. this one expressly intended to blame natalee for what happened to her, and to supposedly provide proof that he had no ulterior motives for getting her into the car.
dennisintn
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SM: This blog is not a democracy, it is a private blog that is open to comments. The comments are moderated. If you don’t like it and wish to support the Sloots and the Kalpoes I suggest you post elsewhere. (klaasend)
Wow the oldest privately owned Tv station and Chavez wants to take it away! Any specific reasons he thinks its bad for the country simeon? Whats it like there now?
As I understand it, Chavez has deployed units of the Venezuelan army to cow the people. They won’t get rid of him easily.
I’m still wondering … Paulus van der Sloot made a trip of a few days to Miami a few months after Natalee vanished. This has been mostly forgotten, but one wonders what the purpose was. I’m told that it was made when Joran was in jail (I’ll have to research this more thoroughly).
But if it concerned Joran’s athletic scholarship, or something like that, it could have been dealt with more easily by letter, phone, or email. I mean, would you want to go somewhere and tell people face to face that your son was in jail? And for a suspected crime against a citizen of the U.S. … the very country he was going to study in?
I’m seriously wondering if he was summoned by some kind of “mob” figure, somehow related to Natalee’s disappearance.
If so, this could only mean that she had been handed over.
I wish we could find out. Maybe we will.
Disgusted Mom (#14) … If it had been decided that Natalee would be taken abroad, don’t you think that a crack house, or a seedy motel, would be the place to stash her? It certainly would be known terrain to drug dealers … and my suspicion is that people on “crack” would hardly give a damn about her.
It would be easy enough to keep her sedated with heroin, and any druggie types hanging around would be unlikely to take notice at what probably is a common sight ….
18,
I am on an island off the coast so its not really noticed here, but in CCS they are protesting and the army is out.They are set to take over ib 3hrs 12min……..
Re:#4. Susan, the statute of limitations on murder under Dutch/Aruban law is AT LEAST 20 years and and perhaps unlimited, depending on how their courts interpret whether a recent change in the law applies to crimes already committed but not yet prosecuted. If it is determined 15 years from now that someone killed Natalee, the case can still be prosecuted if there is sufficient evidence. There’s no need to give up yet.
also, he says it will “democratize the airways”CNN falseley states that it is the only channel with opposing views.Globovision is VERY anti chavez and they are still on the air.He says that RCTV and Globovision helped assist in the 2002 Coup against him.Venevision and Televen were but have toned down their coverage as of late.
Mayan, I agree with you.. they both make me sick. The translation of the next chapter of the book..makes me sick reading it. So far, he has contradicted everyone sooo he’s the only one telling the truth.. Throws Satish under the bus by saying Satish was going back to the beach to get his shoes after he took Joran home.Why would Satish run the beach to get Joran’s shoes and drive him all over town with a girl and take him to the beach, then go home and go to bed and get up and run him around some more??
He says when he left the casino he called Jaimie and Jaimie said he couldn’t go out that night, but Jaimie’s police statement says Joran called him between 4 and 6 to ask him to go to CnC to meet some MB Brook girls but he had to work the next day, hours before Joran says he even decided to go.
He has police files reading them to try to write his book around them.. Natalee wanted to see sharks when she left CnC yet he says on Greta’s show when they got to his house all at once Natalee wanted to go see sharks. More and More lies…disgusting ‘scuse my language… POS..
I wasn’t watching CNN nor Fox when i saw the hook up shot of ALL THESE People out in the streets NOT HAPPY about the station being taken away.
# 22 – We’ve been hearing for months now that the statue of limitations is two years from the day a crime is committed in Aruba. If new evidence is found afterwards, the prosecutor can bring charges against whomever…
Hey Maggie!
Has Jurine been back to Aruba since the book came out? I am curious if he has/how has he been received. Same thing with Paulus & Anita….everyone still hugging up with em?
there are a ton ofprotesters on the streets as i speak.looks ugly.
17. SM: This blog is not a democracy, it is a private blog that is open to comments. The comments are moderated. If you don’t like it and wish to support the Sloots and the Kalpoes I suggest you post elsewhere. (klaasend)
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Klaas … your words exemplify exactly why the Scared Monkey site is truly a place where Natalee Holloway and her family are honored.
Thank you
Janet
Carpe … thank you so much for all the video interviews submissions related to the Natalee Holloway case. FOX is not accessible in my neck of the woods so … your efforts are truly appreciated.
Janet
#20 a crack house might be a good place to find people to sell abroad, but think about this….Joran told a lot of lies we know, but one story he told had him being dropped off at his house and 2K driving off with a sick, passing out Natalee. Now jump to one of Deepak’s stories where he said when Natalee passed out he told Joran to ask her where she was staying and Joran tried to wake her up and ask her several times. That’s gotta be a lie because Joran knew where she was staying already. According to Deepak’s story Joran eventually got out of her that she was staying at the HI.
So let’s twist this up a bit and say 2K dropped Joran off at his house and left with a sick passing out Natalee, only Deepak forgot to ask Joran where she was staying. Deepak tries to ask her several times but gets no answer so he dumps her at a crack house.
I don’t know where I’m going with this. It’s late!
rctv is GONE…..there is now some bs crap channel on directv104.
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SM: I’m very sorry to hear that. Are you a native Venezuelan? What do you think will happen next? (klaasend)
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Its hard to say…I am Venezuelan/Trinidadian.The government in my opinion has gone too far.I did not really care for the channel, however I think people have the right to watch it.They banned alcohol during Holy Week.They take such drastic measures sometimes.They have many anti government newspapers and dissent is popular, but they outnumber us 60-40 pretty much.Even the working class are not supporting him like they did b4.This is not a popular move at all even among his supporters.All i can do is wait and see.
I hope nobody minds if I post this here on Memorial Day.
Our non-American guests might not know the significance of this song. All Americans should know it by heart.
Anyway, decades before the Civil War began, the issue of slavery roiled national politics. One question was whether new states coming into the Union would allow slavery there.
Various compromises were hammered out over the years, with the goal of preserving a kind of balance of power. None of them proved to work. Kansas was one area where fighting between pro-slavery and anti-slavery factions ran high.
One abolitionist, seeking to eliminate slavery at whatever cost, was named John Brown. He led some supporters in a raid on a federal arsenal, hoping to get weapons and distribute them to the slaves. Eventually the federal army surrounded that arsenal and captured his forces.
In one of history’s persistent ironies, the leader of that army group was Robert E. Lee, who later led the Southern forces against the Union.
John Brown was hanged, but his execution outraged many people and helped bring on our national conflagration.
Songs about John Brown circulated, and one of them used an earlier tune that was popular in church revival prayer meetins. It also, somehow, came to be associated with another John Brown in the Massachusetts militia.
Then Julia Ward Howe took the popular tune and wrote these immortal words. They are on this Web site, which also offers a “country banjo” rendition of the work.
This is the ORIGINAL version of Julia Ward Howe’s work. Some of the words have been changed; for example, we now say or sing, “As he died to make men holy, let us LIVE to make men free.”
I can hardly imagine that such a song could be written today. That’s our loss. But let’s keep this on hand; the same spirit that moved John Brown and his supporters to fight for what they thought to be right will, I hope, continue to motivate us all in seeking justice for Natalee.
http://womenshistory.about.com/library/etext/bl_howe_battle_hymn.htm
First Published Version
Here is “Battle Hymn of the Republic” as written by Julia Ward Howe when she published it in February, 1862, in the Atlantic Monthly:
Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord:
He is trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored;
He hath loosed the fateful lightning of His terrible swift sword:
His truth is marching on.
I have seen Him in the watch-fires of a hundred circling camps,
They have builded Him an altar in the evening dews and damps;
I can read His righteous sentence by the dim and flaring lamps:
His day is marching on.
I have read a fiery gospel writ in burnished rows of steel:
“As ye deal with my contemners, so with you my grace shall deal;
Let the Hero, born of woman, crush the serpent with his heel,
Since God is marching on.”
He has sounded forth the trumpet that shall never call retreat;
He is sifting out the hearts of men before His judgment-seat:
Oh, be swift, my soul, to answer Him! be jubilant, my feet!
Our God is marching on.
In the beauty of the lilies Christ was born across the sea,
With a glory in his bosom that transfigures you and me:
As he died to make men holy, let us die to make men free,
While God is marching on.
Let’s hope this spirit continues to motivate us in fighting all other kinds of injustice, too. There’s enough of it.
Here is one that fits the description. Never heard of it.
http://www.drugfree.org/Portal/Drug_guide/Ketamine
And this one
http://www.drugfree.org/Portal/Drug_guide/Herbal_Ecstasy
Perhaps somewhere in the slang terms we can pick up a clue.
http://www.pride.org/slangdrugterms.HTM#Some%20Rave%20Slang%20Terms
One that I found interesting was for a rave party.
“Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden”
There are numerous references to Eden in Shango’s comments.
Arubaboy: as I told you before: No compassion for you, your statement or your island.
Once Van der Straaten can explain!!!!!!
“I know Natalee is dead because I have seen the evidence”
Maybe just maybe, some feelings may return.
IMHO that is the most damaging piece of evidence to the outside world that Natalee’s disappearance is part of an Auban cover up.
Arubaboy; you’re so smart; perhaps you can explain that statement.
um, venezuela will be a better place the longer chavez stays in power. who was the dirtbag in the car with steve croes, and seemingly putting words in steves mouth, and looking pissed that he was on tv with gretta. steve seen them drop her off, but not at the holiday inn. that guy with steve looks like a mexican, Ramirez maybe? If she is still alive she is no doubt compromised in mind and spirit. so why the blood at the rocks and the lighthouse stories? Still sounds like it all points to papa sloot, and trafficing humans. screw it, hopefully chavez will take the island and kill all the foreigners there.
This Canadian will stand with Americans as they reflect on the significance of this day that has been set apart to remember those who have paid the ultimate sacrifice in the name of freedom.
MEMORIAL DAY HISTORY
http://www.usmemorialday.org/backgrnd.html
#17 HOW IRONIC! You state this blog is not a democracy, yet many posters have staunchly stated and defended their respective Freedom of Speech (First Amendment to the US Constitution) rights relative to comments made about J2K’s guilt.
As further eviendence, this very thread (posts 10 and 18) has delivered criticism to Chavez and rightly so over his censorship of certain television statements that are critical to his administration. Earlier, comments were made on another thread that critized an Aruban government official for calling for a boycott of Dario.
I find it ironic that we are all too willing to raise the shield of the First Amendment as a convenience, yet we trample all over it when a viewpoint doesn’t suit our message.
Freedom of Speech is a two edged sword.
Dutch Team:
As Mark Fuhrman states, “There are no coincidences in a murder investigation.”
Right after Natalee went missing:
1) A room at the
Holiday Inn was redone.
2)Paulus made a trip to Florida.
His excuse was that he went to withdraw Joran from college.
You don’t really believe that, do you?
Withdrawal from college could be done via letter.
Only 37 hours to go, damnit!! Those freaking, sorry, lowlife, corrupt, disgusting, vulgar, ignorant, savage Aruban/Dutch authorities have never had any intentions whatsoever to solve Natalee’s disappearance, all thanks to Paulus Van der Sloot and his accomplices…
Unless a miracle occurs within the next 37 hours (or sometime within that timeframe) that prompts the prosecutor’s office to get off their sorry butts, it’s all over
The way this case has been handle (COVER UP) has made the justice officials in Aruba and Holland look like a bunch of criminals themselves, which indeed they all are!!!
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!!
BOYCOTT ARUBA AND HOLLAND!!
Godspeed Holloway family
My heart and prayers have always and will always be with you!!
FREEBIRD
By Lynyrd Skynyrd
If I leave here tomorrow
Would you still remember me
For I must be traveling on now
There’s too many places I’ve got to see
If I stay here with you girl
Things just couldn’t be the same
‘Cause I’m as free as a bird now
And this bird you cannot change
Oh, and the bird you cannot change
And this bird you cannot change
Lord knows I can’t change
Bye-bye babe, it’s been sweet, love
‘Though this feeling I can’t change
But please don’t take this so badly
‘Cause Lord knows I’m to blame
But if I stay here with you girl
Things just couldn’t be the same
‘Cause I’m as free as a bird now
And this bird you cannot change
Oh, and the bird you cannot change
And this bird you cannot change
Lord knows I can’t change
Lord help me I can’t change
Oh No, I can’t change
We love you, Natalee
39. Rastus
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I do believe that Venezuela and Aruba are travelling on the same path in regards to policies that are restricting their freedom of expression. Aruba is trailing behind its neighbour but the gap is closing.
I find it ironic that Venezuela citizens are protesting the restriction to their freedom of expression but … the silence from Arubans have been deafening.
VENEZUELA
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,275853,00.html
FOX NEWS – Monday, May 28, 2007
CARACAS, Venezuela – As the clock struck 11:58 p.m., all of Caracas, Venezuela, seemed to hold its breath.
Moments later, the country’s most popular television station, Radio Caracas Television (RCTV) went to black … for good.
It wasn’t that RCTV, after 53 years, had lost its popularity; nor was it that an economic downturn had dictated the station’s fate. It was that Hugo Chavez, president of Venezuela, decided that RCTV – one of four privately owned television stations in the country and the only one do maintain its opposition to Chavez – was a threat to his government.
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ARUBA
Amigoe – April 4, 2007
ORANJESTAD – In an open letter, staff and management of the morning paper Diario have asked the Queen’s attention for the commercial boycott called by the MEP and her leader, Prime Minister Nelson Oduber.
MEP demanded the owner and also director and chief editor Jossy Mansur to publicly apologize to MEP and premier Oduber for all the articles he has published with the intention to damage the reputation of the government and MEP. Mansur has till last Monday to do this, otherwise, the MEP will announce a boycott against Diario.
Since Mansur ignored MEP’s ultimatum, the party decided on a total boycott of the newspaper. No information must be given to Diario. MEP-member had to cancel their subscription as per immediate.. They are also not allowed to buy the paper separately. They cannot place ads in the Diario.
That’s the reason for Diario’s letter to the Queen. He expressed his concern in this letter and asks the Queen to ‘safeguard our constitutional rights’.
About the older man at the blackjack table….
I wonder if investigators consider him a person of interest?
Let’s say for a minute that he’s not PVDS, and let’s say that because if it were then surely P would have been questioned about having spoken with Natalee that night and since -according to him-he had nothing to do with Nat being missing, he should not mind at all disclosing that he was there talking to her and at least have something to say about her mood (that might help) and that he did not in fact go home like Joran said he did. I mean, he could even pass off some misinformation! But he has remained silent about this except by Joran’s remark that his dad went home before the blackjack game. Actually, everyone has remained silent about this very important aspect. All act like it’s no big deal that Natalee was talking to this older man which kindof leaves us thinking it was P and ALE just doesn’t want to drag him into this. And we have all become conditioned to believing Aruba takes up for their own so it’s not hard to imagine them ignoring that P was sitting there.
But seriously, was it P? And do the investigators know it wasn’t him? Could that be why they don’t make a big deal of it? Because they know it wasn’t P and just want us to go on assuming it was? Now why would they do that? Could it be because they know the man may have been involved in trafficking natalee away and they don’t want to address that Aruba might have that sort of problem?
Also, if it were P at the table, Nat’s friends would surely know it by now and be able to say what it was they were talking about even if that might exhonerate P. Yet, nothing is said. And if it were Paulus and the girls identified him as such, then surely he would have been questioned and perhaps reported back that he had said it was not him. But, again, all seem indifferent to saying whether it was or was not P.
Joran says (according to translations) that the man at the table was about 45 and he had seen him at the HI casino a couple days before. All I have to say(faceciously) about that is, Wow! Joran sure is observant! Hence, could Joran know this man? And if so, is this the man who selected Natalee and subsequently whisked Natalee away?
Nat is seen on the tape while talking to this man, pointing toward Joran. She may have been pointing toward Joran, but she also could have been pointing toward Madison (I think it was Madison) who was sitting to Joran’s right. So that brings up a question…could Nat and this man have been talking about this man’s interest in Madison (or whoever that was to his right)?
If this man were interested in Madison, I can see why no one would want to discuss or reveal what that man had been saying to natalee, whether or not it was P….they would assume that since that girl/Madison was not missing the old man was irrelevant. But was he?
Joran claimed to have been interested in Madison, not Natalee. He says when Beth showed him Nat’s picture he recognized her as the girl he took off with but did not know her name -which might mean he took off a substitute girl after going to CC’s and finding that Madison was not there. (she left early as I recall it being said)In fact, all Nat’s roomies had left early and by the time Joran arrived at CC’s she was the only one there who had been at the blackjack table that night with the older man.
It is interesting too that Beth and company (it was said) arrived on the island prepared to ‘buy back’ natalee. And when you throw in that Madison’s dad was the one who provided the medjet, I wonder if he did so because it was supposed to have been his daughter who was taken away (per maybe the girls having told at least Beth what the older man was saying to Nat aka asking about Madison). Perhaps even Madison had been selected by this man prior to that night and that info was passed on after Nat disappeared, so her dad came ready in case she didn’t end up making her plane either.
I’m just trying to think out of the box because it is so bothersome that no one who would know what this man was saying wants to talk about it and that P is not interested in talking about it either no matter how much people speculate it is him. It’s like P doesn’t want to rat this man out which he would do even indirectly should he deny outright that it was not him.
Perhaps investigators need to check the airports for small plane traffic ‘a couple days before Natalee went missing’ (since Joran says he saw this man around then) and that night and maybe a few days after that. See if any of the pilots resemble this man. And if so, if this man has any connections to Florida and perhaps other islands around the Caribbean.
While looking for PVDS lookalikes, it would be wise to look for toupes. This man sat behind a pole for a reason..and it was not to hide his hair. It hid his facial features..so if he were truely not wanting to be recognized elsewhere, a toupe might be the thing.
That pole too is interesting because it seems the man – if he were up to no good- also knew where the cameras were focused or ‘would be focused’….hence implying someone who worked at the Casino was working with this man.
Last remark on this…I mention checking airports for small plane traffic simply because Dompig went to so much trouble to say no boats left the island that night and show us all his wonderful equipment for tracking boats. There are other ways off that island than boats, but he conspicuously didn’t mention it…IT being small planes.
Disgustedmom
Surely Madison would have been able to identify this man..what has surprised me is the lack of information (unless I missed it) from the MountainBrook friends of Natalee. MADISON, IF YOU READ THIS BLOG, WHO WAS THIS MAN??? For what its worth I think it is PVDS and I think JVDS has all along been protecting his father who in my opinion got rid of Natalee’s body.
Well let see, the Aruban authorities have been so forthright and straight with us so far, so of course they would have told us that this was Paulus at at the casino. NOT!
One of the reasons why it makes me think it’s Paulus (besides the hairline and watch) is because no one will out right deny that it is not Paulus. There are many more hours of footage of that blackjack table than what we’ve seen. They have footage of the man walking up to that table and they could easily reveal that to dispel this thought that it’s Paulus right away.
Remember, Beth and Dave cannot say everything they know. Both Beth and John Q. Kelly have suggested that it looks like Paulus and they believe it is.
Joran saying it’s some 45 year old man does nothing for me because Joran hasn’t told the truth about anything else.
Don’t know how observant Natalee’s friends are, but it’s quite possible that they don’t remember too much about the man. It’s also possible they know and have been told not to reveal what they know. I surely never saw them having been asked this question.
The only doubt I have is when watching the small piece of video that we have available, the nose doesn’t appear to match Paulus. But I can’t see enough to say for sure one way or another.
One thing is for sure, many people in Aruba know the answer and aren’t talking.
kayjay: IMO Actually Lee and Ruth have a better view. Also I would like to know why Natalee; quote her friends, was on the phone all the while at the casino.
I’m sure that the MBHS student staements have not all been made public. I can understand. However as an outsider trying to arrive at a solution, with only half the facts from one side and lies from the other and riddles from a third source….well mission impossible is what us posters remain with.
Someone asked for this the other day, but at the time I couldn’t find it. Below (hopefully it works) is a link to one of the Natalee timelines:
http://members.aol.com/worldJOURNIER/NATALEE/NATALEEtimeline.html
disgustedmom – I too believe that the man at the table was Paulus Van der Sloot…
kayjay – The topic of the Mountainbrook kids remaining silent has came up time and time again over the last two years. The kids may have been instructed by the FBI not to talk to anyone. Gag order comes to mind…
#43, Janet – you are a crystal cup of clarity and truth.
Interesting how the one means of communication in Venezuela, demonstrating opposition to Chavez, would find itself – SILENCED, similarly to what Arubas government officials have directed towards Diario (in their call to boycott Diario), for Diario’s daring to speak out about facts of truth, that some would rather keep hidden, in Natalee’s case.
I wonder who owns and operates the telecommunications in Aruba?
Keep hope alive, Monkeys.
The Mountain Brook students are doing exactly as they should: not saying a single word. I have full confidence in our FBI who have from the moment Natalee was reported missing, repeatedly acted in good faith to help her family find her.
They continue to support this family and guide them every step of the way. These agents care about Natalee and have repeatedly demonstrated first class integrity, in the face of such insidious corruption.
I’m sure Paulus would love to hear about what the Mountain Brook students know. That has got to be making Paulus produce massive amounts of sweat in the buckets at his dining room table.
Good job, Greta in raising awareness to the suffering and cruelty that has been brutally inflicted upon Natalee’s family through the absence of any communication with her family, on the part of Aruba’s officials and their counterparts.
It is an inconvenient truth that Natalee Holloway was NEVER an “isolated incident” as Aruba would very much like for her to become.
It is an inconvenient truth that Natalee’s family was repeatedly lied to, even MISLED into believing that Natalee might be found in a “crack house”, when the ALE knew within 24 hours, exactly WHERE she had been taken, while misleading the family into thinking that she was somehow dropped off at a “crack house”.
WHO DID THE “CRACK HOUSE” LIES SERVE, ARUBA?
AND WHEN DID THE “CRACK HOUSE” LIE, EMERGE?
WHAT PURPOSE WAS THE CRACK HOUSE LIES SUPPOSED TO SERVE, VAN DER STRAATEN? WHAT PURPOSE, DOMPIG?
MAYBE WE SHOULD ASK BOETI. MAYBE HE KNOWS.
Intersting perhaps, to research THE ROOTS of the CRACK HOUSE LIES, ARUBA.
DUTCH TEAM: DID YOU RESEARCH THE “ROOTS” OF THE CRACK HOUSE LIES THAT WERE TOLD TO NATALEE’S FAMILY, AS THEY WERE TORMENTED IN AGONY, WITH LIES AND NOTIONS OF NATALEE BEING TAKEN TO A CRACK HOUSE AND HELD AGAINST HER WILL, AND IN AN ACT OF DESPERATION, THIS LOVING FAMILY PAID FOR A MEDI-VAC, TO BE READY, IN THE HOPES THEY WOULD FIND THEIR PRECIOUS CHILD, WHILE CORRUPT LIARS LOOKED ON, CONSORTING WITH THE NEXT PHASE OF HOW TO USE THIS – IN THEIR FILTHY LIES THEY WOULD PROCEED TO TELL ABOUT NATALEE?
What kind of mind behaves with such depraved cruelty and indifference while inflicting deliberate torment upon a suffering family, torturing them with facts of truth that perhaps have been used on OTHER CHILDREN, while knowing full well the savage TRUTHS of WHAT had been done to NATALEE. This family has suffered enough, Dutch team.
END THIS CRUELTY: RETURN THIS CHILD TO HER LOVING FAMILY.
ALLOW THEM TO AT THE VERY LEAST, BURY THEIR PRECIOUS BABY.
STOP THESE HORRIFIC, DEPRAVED LIES AND GRANT THIS CHILD THE PEACE AND JUSTICE SHE RIGHTFULLY DESERVES.
Stop these depraved lies, and the twisting of events to create the biggest lies of all: “isolated incident” and “alcohol-drug induced ACCIDENT” to be applied with the Dompig twist of “these boys are not killers”, to counter that earlier statement of: “they’re guilty as hell”.
DID IT NOT BOTHER THE SAVAGE LIARS TO PUT THIS FAMILY THROUGH THIS HORRIFIC CRUELTY, FOR THE PURPOSE OF MIS-LEADING THEM, SO THAT THE REAL STORY OF WHAT HAPPENED TO THIS PRECIOUS CHILD COULD BECOME PAULUS’ SOLUTION TO THE DEPRAVITY: “NO CORPSE, NO CASE” ?
What kind of heinous minds and conduct lies with such ease, and depraved indifference to a grief stricken family, over the TRUTH of what the ALE knew concerning WHERE NATALEE HAD BEEN TAKEN, WHAT HAD BEEN DONE TO HER…only then, to use these lies, to create the malicious sculpture of “drug-alcohol accidental death” lie, and the “she was seen with drugs” LIES?
WHO DID THE CRACK HOUSE LIES SERVE, ARUBA?
WHY HAVE YOU NOT DRAWN THE LINKS TO THE ROOTS OF WHERE THESE LIES WERE GENERATED, ARUBA, AND WHY THEY WERE GENERATED?
WHY HAVE YOU NOT DRAWN THE CLEAR LINKS BETWEEN THESE HIDEOUS LIES, THE DEPRAVED COMMENTARY, AND THE LINKS TO THE FILTH GENERATED BY THE SUSPECTS?
NO TRUTH = NO CONSCIENCE = NO JUSTICE FOR NATALEE = NO TOURISM FOR ARUBA.
Where are the links to the “crack house” lies, Aruba?
Were are the links between those crack house lies, and the SOURCES from which we see them generated?
WHO DID THE CRACK HOUSE LIES SERVE, ARUBA?
WHO COOKED UP THE “CRACK HOUSE LIES”, ARUBA?
WAS IT THE SAME PERSON WHO CAME UP WITH THE: “NO CORPSE, NO CASE” SOLUTION TO THE SAVAGERY INFLICTED UPON AN INNOCENT LITTLE GIRL, GANGED UP ON BY A BUNCH OF SAVAGES WITH NO CONSCIENCE?
HOW DO YOU INVESTIGATE PREMEDITATION, ARUBA?
#46 I agree the hairline is similar to P’s, but that balding pattern is not unique. It’s a standard balding pattern, but if you look at the hair quality, I don’t think it matches P’s hair. I also agree that the nose appears to be different. I also think the man appears more fragile than P.
And I agree with you…they have footage of this man walking up to the table and could dispell any rumors of it being P if it’s not. Why won’t they go ahead and do it? Or if it is P, then why not say that and say it means nothing?
I can understand keeping certain things from the general public, but this? I don’t see the significance of it unless that man is part of the ongoing investigation and it’s not P. My reasoning is that if it were Paulus and he is a part of the ongoing investigation there would be no need to hide it since the video clip is already out there for the world to see.
Now, if this man is not P and they don’t know who he is, then why not show his face straight on and ask if anyone has any information about him as a person of interest or something? He was talking with Natalee. At the very least, even if he is not involved, he might have some useful information. You never know. I mean, shouldn’t they want to talk with anyone they are aware had contact with Nat that night? They have shown such interest in the past. There was the man who sat next to Nat on the plane who did not catch his return flight. They talked with him as a person of interest.
I’m with you though 1006…partial information + lies only lets us try to figure out possibilities- of which we could be right-on and never know. Depending on what really happened to Natalee and who was involved, maybe we should all be watching our backs while speculating.
Can the Dutch arrest the Dutch when they have connections in the Hague? I think not.
PS. Not my words but Beth’s words.
The Dutch in Aruba sent by the Hague is not going to find anything. Wish they would make me eat those words but doubt it. Aruba is damned.
My understanding was that Paulus was playing and had to return home to his younger son, so Joran took his seat. If this is the TRUE story, then this is Paulus.
If if is Paulus Van der Sloot in the casino video recording who is seated at the black table conversing with Natalee Holloway, the implication is huge …. considering both Joran and Paulus claim in their official suspect statements that Paulus left the casino for home part way through the poker game …. prior to Joran going to the black jack table where Joran encountered Natalee.
Joran Van der Sloot
Suspect Statement – June 9, 2005
When it was half time of the game my father wanted to go home to go and babysit my ten year old brother. At my father’s request I sat in for him and played “Texas Hold’m poker. I am not sure as to when half time was but I think it was between 19.00 and 20.00 hours. I kept on gambling until I lost too. This was according to me until 21.30 to 22.00 hours. I went to walk around in the casino and after that went to the “Blackjack” table to play blackjack. While I was sitting at the table the girl “Natalee” that is missing now to the blackjack table together with her friends.
Paulus Van der Sloot
Witness Statement – June 18, 2005
On May 29th 2005, at approximately 16.00 hours, I went with Joran to the “Free Carribean Stud Tournament” in the Holiday Inn. During the break, at approximately 18.30 hours, I went back home. My youngest son Sebastian who was playing at a friends house was due to be dropped off at home around that time. Joran, with my permission, took over my seat because he had been eliminated earlier.
I don’t know if it were PvdS or not. I believe that PvdS was known at the casino, so one would think that if it were he, the news would have gotten to Natalee’s family. After all, the prospect of providing information that might lead to a huge reward should appeal to some people there.
But as for the Mountain Brook kids … at THAT time, they would have no particular reason to take note of this one guy in the casino. He wouldn’t mean anything more to them than anyone else there would.
But as Disgusted Mom says (#44) … Joran says he’d seen him around the casino a few times. The same argument that holds true for the MB kids should hold true for Joran, right? Why would Joran take notice of him in particular, one way or another?
Disgusted Mom, it’s perhaps also relevant that the FIRST posters put out for Natalee did not say “Missing.” They said “Kidnapped.”
1006 (#37) … I too think that Jan van der Straaten’s statement practically stands up and screams for attention.
What evidence did he see? Or was he just trying to shoo off some pesky reporter?
And WHY was he allowed to leave the island after making this statement without any follow-up? (As usual on Aruba.)
It certainly seems to me that he WANTED everyone to assume from the get-go that Natalee was dead. That prevents a lot of questions ….
(But then, why, later that summer, did Aruba ask its neighboring countries to be on the lookout for her, if the chief of police KNEW she was dead?)
And the Miami trip of PvdS seems very suspicious to me.
I do believe that the Mountain Brook students who were at the Black Jack table with Natalee and Joran on the evening of May 29, 2005 have identified Paulus as the person conversing with Natalee. This would explain how Beth Twitty knew that Natalee had met Paulus Van der Sloot six month prior to the casino revelation? I wonder who the “people” are who Jossy Mansur refers to in his interview with Dana?
Beth Twitty
‘Rita Cosby Live & Direct’ – September 20, 2005
HOLLOWAY TWITTY: … I don’t think there was ever a question that Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot had been in that Excelsior Casino, and, particularly, on the night of the 29th where he and his father met Natalee
Katherine (Madison) Whatley
FBI Statement – July 12, 2005
After swimming at the hotel on Sunday, WHATLEY and other classmates, including HOLLOWAY, ate dinner at a restaurant next to the hotel. After dinner they went to the casino at the hotel. A few classmates were gambling at a card table along with an “older man” and YURON VAN DER SLOOT. (Whatley 302)
Jossy Mansur
Dana Pretzer Show -Dec. 14, 2006
DANA: When you look at this case, a question keeps coming up. I am looking at the picture on my PC. It is the alleged picture of a person in the casino with Natalee that looks a lot like Paul. Has there been any update on this issue?
JOSSY: There have not been any change of opinion. People, including people in the casino say that is Paul.
Not really relevant to Natalee, but since we’re talking about Venezuela on this thread, here’s the latest:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070528/ap_en_tv/venezuela_chavez_vs_tv
Troops fire upon protesters in Venezuela
Associated Press
CARACAS, Venezuela – National Guard troops fired tear gas and rubber bullets Monday into a crowd of protesters angry over a decision by President Hugo Chavez that forced a critical television station off the air.
University students blocked one lane of a major highway hours after Radio Caracas Television ceased broadcasting at midnight and was replaced with a new state-funded channel. Chavez had refused to renew RCTV’s broadcast license, accusing it of “subversive” activities and of backing a 2002 coup against him.
Two students were injured by rubber bullets and a third was hit with a tear gas canister, said Ana Teresa Yepez, an administrator at Caracas’ Metropolitan University. She said about 20 protesters were treated for inhaling tear gas.
The new public channel, TVES, launched its transmissions with artists singing pro-Chavez music, then carried an exercise program and a talk show, interspersed with government ads proclaiming, “Now Venezuela belongs to everyone.”
Crowds of students demonstrated across Caracas, saying they fear for the future of free speech.
“I plan to keep protesting because we’re Venezuelans and it’s our right,” said Valentina Ramos, 17, a Metropolitan University student who was hit in the head with a tear gas canister and received stitches.
She said the protest was peaceful, but National Guard troops said they acted after students hurled rocks and sticks. Police said 11 officers were injured in separate protests on Sunday that were broken up with water cannon and tear gas.
Thousands of government supporters reveled in the streets as they watched the midnight changeover on large TV screens, seeing RCTV’s signal go black and then be replaced by a TVES logo. Others launched fireworks and danced in the streets.
Inside the studios of RCTV – the sole opposition-aligned TV station with nationwide reach – disheartened actors and comedians wept and embraced in the final minutes on the air.
They bowed their heads in prayer, and presenter Nelson Bustamante declared: “Long live Venezuela! We will return soon.”
The socialist president says he is democratizing the airwaves by turning the network’s signal over to public use.
Germany, which holds the European Union presidency, expressed concern that Venezuela let RCTV’s license expire “without holding an open competition for the successor license.” It said the EU expects that Venezuela will uphold freedom of speech and “support pluralism.”
Founded in 1953, RCTV regularly topped viewer ratings with its talk shows, sports, soap operas and comedy programs. But Chavez accused the network of helping to incite a failed coup in 2002, violating broadcast laws and “poisoning” Venezuelans with programming that promoted capitalism. RCTV’s managers deny wrongdoing.
The government promises TVES will be more diverse, buying 70 percent of its content from independent Venezuelan producers.
“We’ve come here to start a new television with the true face of the people, the face that was hidden, the face that they didn’t allow us to show,” said Roman Chalbaud, a pro-Chavez filmmaker appointed by the government to TVES’ board of directors.
TVES received $4 million in startup funds from the government, but officials say it also may seek commercial advertising.
Most Venezuelan news media are in private hands, including many newspapers and radio stations that remain critical of Chavez. But the only major surviving opposition-sided TV channel is Globovision, which is not seen in all parts of the country.
Here’s a story that quotes Dave Holloway as speaking today (that is, Memorial Day).
He says there are still 4-5 searchers on Aruba (presumably that means Dutch searchers), and looks for answers someday.
http://www.wtok.com/news/headlines/7716457.html
This marked another holiday without closure in the case of missing Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway. However, some of her relatives in Meridian say they now have renewed hope that this could soon change.
It has been almost two years to the day since Dave Holloway’s daughter Natalee was last seen. On May 30, 2005, the then 18-year-old disappeared while vacationing with school friends on the island of Aruba.
Since that time, all leads have pretty much turned up cold. But there may be a turn in the case.
Natalee’s father said Monday that Dutch authorities took over the investigation from Arubans about six months ago and more hope for clues has emerged. Unlike in previous searches, Holloway says just last month Dutch authorities did a full search of the property belonging to the three men who were last seen with Natalee.
“Well, they had the forensic team on that property and they have since left and gone back to Holland,” Holloway said. “And as I understand, there are still 4 or 5 other investigators still on the island.”
As for the results from the recent searches, Holloway says it’s unknown when those could be released.
“The Dutch, unlike the Arubans, are very secretive on that type of thing,” said Holloway.
For the Holloway family this renewed investigation has brought renewed hope.
“One way or the other, I think we’ll finally get answers,” Holloway said. “And when it will be? I thought it would be long before now but one of these days we’ll find the answers.”
Janet, thanks for posting that. Jossy Mansur says “people” have identified the casino person as PvdS … too bad he doesn’t specify who these people are. Maybe there’s a reason?
It’s been five months since that statement was made. And has NOBODY in Aruba bothered to check with people in the casino?
Thanks Richard for the latest from Dave
We can only hope and pray that the answers to Natalee’s disappearance is just around the corner…
At the beginning of this clip, the announcer says that the case has had invesigators ‘baffled’.
Baffled?
Who has been baffled by this?
The FBI wasn’t baffled. They simply threw up their hands in frustration over the Aruban authorities “investigative methods” and lack of cooperation. The Aruban authorities aren’t baffled, because they squashed any real investigation. Paulus ain’t baffled, because he knows exactly where Natalee Holloway is. For a time, her body was in the house. That’s why the search warrant was altered (at the residence) to limit the search to Joran’s room only.
No one is ‘baffled’ in this case. We are all pretty certain that these three thugs spiked Natalee’s drink, maneuvered her into a car she thought was a taxi, and disappeared into the night WITH HER.
THEY RETURNED. NATALEE HOLLOWAY HASN’T RETURNED.
What is so baffling about that?
Joran. “She wanted to go see my house”
My house 19 Montana
My house California Lighthouse
My house Rave house
??????????????????????
As a relatively new poster I am curious about whether there has been any interest shown by Queen Juliana in Natalee’s case? The Dutch Royal Family are always touted as being very democratic, ride around on bikes, mingle with the “man-in-the-street” etc. If its so, then I would imagine she would be interested in seeing the case solved. It puts them all in a bad light and I would think the Netherlands would want to clean up those islands, which are obviously havens for a variety of very, very nasty activities, and full of some very evil people. Hate to say this but those kind of islands are often hang outs for losers who have pasts, are diminished in character and can’t make it anywhere else and I put the VDS’ and the von Straatens, Jacobs, and the rest of them into this pot. Another thing, not connected to Natalee, but which I found interesting was that when I was in London last Fall the Litvienko murder occurred and in the papers they reported a suspected money laundering connection to that case in the Dutch Antilles.
That’s Paul Van Derscum at the black jack table, no doubt in my mind. He baited Natalee right there by telling her he was a judge. That’s why she trusted his sorry son, she thought they were good people. Yeah right, low life no good –wish I could really say what I want to about that evil crowd. We have touched on a nerve with joran & co, and we’ve probably come really close to the truth in our debates. Why would the ugly kowpokes so willing take joran where he wanted at all hours of the night? What did he have that made him superior to them that they would bow down or bend over- which ever comes first to make him so spoiled? How did joran know he was superior to the kowpokes, and they would do anything to kiss his feet? I’m just mad this afternoon at the Dutch, the wicked Aruban government– pitiful excuse for authority’s. Wouldn’t you feel so safe living on that crappy island, o, I meant to say happy island. joran always has that smug, stupid look on his ugly face, he believes he has gotten away with the murder of Natalee Holloway. Will somebody please, make these people pay for what they did to this young woman.
Why did paulass sweat bullets when he interviewed? Why did paulass run like a coward to get to his car the night the cameras were on him? Why did paulass say no corpse no case? Why wouldn’t paulass let the polis seach his house? Why? So many whys, and no answers. Truthful answers. Liars, and killers.
#64:I thought it was queen Beatrix.
She was in Aruba a few months ago.
No hype.
62, Nurturer…
The only thing baffling in this case is HOW in GOD’S NAME, these monsters can put their heads on their pillows at night and proceed to close their eyes and sleep.
As for the case, it was SOLVED by BETH, within HOURS of her arrival on that island.
Satish, May 31, 2005
“We got bored and we all decided to go to THE HOUSE.”
Imagine Nurturer, they got bored within minutes of CLOSING TIME when they arrived, because after all, they weren’t there for dancing, were they?
THEY GOT BORED…within minutes of their arrival at Carlos and Charlies, yet in minutes were successful in taking away a child who was a complete stranger to them.
HOW DID THEY LEAD HER AWAY?
WHO GAVE THE DRUG TO NATALEE?
WHO SLIPPED THE DRUG INTO HER DRINK?
THEY DID WHAT THEY CAME FOR…
THEY LED NATALEE AWAY…Natalee, who was completely unaware of WHO was taking her away and WHERE they were taking her to… (what’s that you were saying to Natalee at the casino, Paulus?).
They drugged her, led her away, and then … she was NEVER seen by anyone again.
They got real busy after they took her away, they got real busy with lots of lies they planned and plotted to tell, all of which took place before Beth even stepped foot on the Van der Ditch property.
Aruba needs to turn this into a “complex”, “baffling” case so they can grease this child’s painful ordeal with words like: “alcohol-drug induced accidental death” and “isolated incident”, and in this manner, Aruba can continue to bait tourists as usual, while shoving these depraved criminal acts of human rights violations against Natalee, into a neat little package labeled: “VANISHED” and then move on with luring more Americans into the death trap that remains on that island.
There is a moral imperative for the media to tell this child’s story, the truth, the WHOLE TRUTH and NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH.
End the hideous cruelty being inflicted upon Natalee’s beautiful family.
End the hideous torment of her mother and father by a bunch of savage criminals with no conscience, and no sense of simple moral decency – the kind of savages who would STEAL THE DEAD BODY OF A LITTLE GIRL IN ORDER TO TAKE CARE OF SERVING THEMSELVES, SERVING THEIR OWN DESPICABLE SELFISH CRIMINAL DEEDS. Killing her wasn’t enough for them.
No, they had to then USE HER DEFENSELESS BODY, IN ORDER TO SHIELD THE UGLINESS OF THEIR CRIMINAL CONDUCT.
WHAT KIND OF MONSTERS CAN DO SUCH A THING TO SUCH A BEAUTIFUL FAMILY?
It wasn’t enough for them to torture Natalee, take her life, torment her family and subject them to the most heinous criminal cruelty by stealing Natalee’s body from her family, but they had to deny her family any measure of resolution, so they hid her body, so that the comfort of KILLERS who feed off a little girl’s innocence like a bunch of maggots,would be insured.
You are so correct, Nurturer.
There is absolutely nothing “baffling” here, except for the hideous depths to which unconscienable behavior can go.
Who would have thought that such savagery was operative in a territory feigning to be “friendly” to the United States?
WE SURE KNOW BETTER NOW, DON’T WE?
And don’t we have a better sense of clarity now, with the commentary by Oduber who professed his chummy relationship with his good friend, Chavez, whose sentiments for the USA are: “Go to hell, Gringos”…
The only baffling element remaining in this case, is HOW anyone can sleep at night in Aruba, how anyone can sleep at night in the Netherlands when they KNOW of all the sordid depravity inflicted upon Natalee – yet they CHOSE to do absolutely NOTHING to ease the pain and torment her family continues to be held in at the HANDS OF SAVAGES, whose claim to fame is the depths of brutality they are capable of going to, in order to inflict inhumane suffering upon a CHILD, and then, TORMENT HER LOVED ONES, FREELY, OPENLY, AND SANCTIONED BY THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT.
This brutality is the epitomy of loathesome vicious conduct, that makes this island not fit for visitation by civilized nations BECAUSE this hideous criminal conduct is sanctioned by law enforcement and government officials on that island.
FIND A CONSCIENCE, NETHERLANDS.
FIND A SENSE OF MORAL INTEGRITY.
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY!
JUSTICE FOR HER FAMILY!
Kalpoes got stuff on Joran, Joran has stuff on the Kalpoes, One falls they all fall..
Steve Cohen was on Rita Cosby’s show over a year ago. Rita asked him if that was Paulus at the table by Natalee. He said he had been on the road or something and didn’t have time to look at it , but that he would and let her know.. Last time he was ever on tv.. Another paid lying **(&(&
Why would they look in a Crack House,, Natalee never achieved what she did by being a crackhead. What a bunch of BS… Joran said he never saw her do drugs, yet he said he thought she would turn up in a crackhouse. That would be similar to me never seeing someone drink alcohol, but when they go missing I say I thought they would turn up in a bar.
1006, I remember Straten tell a Dutch reporter, on June 5th, I believe.. that he thought Natalee was dead, he had seen the evidence..
Julia Renfro made this statement on Bill O’Reilly’s show, June 9th. Where’s that good solid evidence against the 2 guards and where did it go? Also that JVDS and the K2 were WITNESSES lying ones at that.
June 9, 2005
http://www.billoreilly.com/show?action=viewTVShow&showID=311
Aruba newspaper editor Julia Renfro joined The Factor with the latest information on the case and the five men in custody. “The police told us that they have solid evidence against two of the men. The other three were considered as witnesses against those two men.”
FBI had also talked Natalee’s family at that time and they had begun the grieving process. The minute the 3 and the father were picked up,, all that disappeared. One confessed and was leading them to her body, then they said it was joke.. a misunderstanding. Natalee suddenly become vanished..
I still believe the sole purpose of taking Natalee to another bar was to get her away from her friends and serve her up rum151 and then Joran said she used some of his yard as a chaser.. What was in his yard? Plenty of time to put something in that. I don’t believe Natalee asked for a chaser either, I believe he told her to drink it for one, after the rum he got her. Takes about15 minutes to a half hour for some of those to take effect.. Plenty of time to get her to the car and take off. I also believe they took her to the house.. There is no corroboration for anything they say happened that night once they left CnC.. They don’t even agree with each other. BINGO!
Mayan, they probably held a parade for all of them if he did return.
They are all cuckoo….They know what happened to Natalee and they know who did it.
Here’s something I find interesting….
Joran (according to translations) says to Deepak upon hearing Nat’s family was at his house looking for her:
Joran figured he and Deepak should call Satish to see if the cops had been to the Kalpoe house yet because Joran figured the cops would have gone there first since it was Deepak’s car.
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Since it was Deepak’s car? But Joran knew Nat’s friends saw him with Natalee. What was Joran thinking when he surmised the cops should have gone to the Kalpoe house first because of the car? Hmmmm…makes me wonder if Joran had been dropped off at home (like he once said) and 2K had gone off with Natalee and they thought perhaps someone had seen that car dump a body out.
I recall early on Deepak saying Natalee didn’t want to get out of the car. Did he shove her out? If so, where? Was it a crack house? Or was it somewhere else, and maybe he ran over her with his car by accident and buried her (if she were dead) or put her in a shed (if she were not dead)?
I take a lot of clues from Joran’s avid supporters and they seen to think Nat was hit by a car (among other things)
I just find it odd that Joran would surmise they would go after the ‘car’ first and not him when so many knew he was whooping it up with natalee at CC’s and went off with her. The logical assumption would be to go after Joran first. So why the car?
It’s him. It is slimey ole Paulus sitting with Natalee at the casino, i was certain of that the first time i hit rewind on the ABC clip. He’s hiding behind that bar and that too is No coincidence.
This is why i think in Natalee’s case, she wasn’t the victim of trafficer’s. Paulus wouldn’t have been seen on the same street much less the same black jack table as Natalee that night if that had been the plan. Another reason i think this is only hours after sitting & talking with Natalee Paulus is calling Natalee “A BODY” before Beth even arrives on Aruba.
Now there is confirmation from the Aruban court itself that Paulus had 2 contacts with Natalee that were witnessed but they didn’t say HOW it was witnessed, either by person or video footage or both. I submit both.
Just so happens that anita is away and paulas is out playing. Did joran arrange for paulas to meet young girls? Did paulas get his kicks out of watching joran with young girls? This bunch of criminals are evil. Someone in aruba knows that joran & co. are guilty of the crimes against Natalee. Why did deepak talk to Beth Holloway with no respect of her being the Mother of Natalee? deepak, knows the van der scums will let him take the rap when it comes down to it. Wait and see deepak will pay for joran’s crimes.
Paul was feeling good and flirting alittle with Natalee, she excited him, didn’t she Paulus? Who wants to bet on which of the two started the conversation? Natalee points to Jurine as she still looks in Paul’s direction looking suprised.
Those were the first words you said to Natalee weren’t they Paulus? The icebreaker for Paulus.
paulas likes young girls, but he can’t get one on his own as easily as joran can get young girls for him. anita knows the truth about Natalee, she knows her husband and her sick son murderered Natalee. Maybe anita can spend the rest of her life in prison with them.
Thats right sparrow Anita knows the truth. How do you sleep at night Anita?
The Van der Sloot’s probably sleep at night with one-eye open!!!!! Bars on the windows, security cameras, electric fencing, acid detecting device for the pool, pit-bulls on the property, to name afew!!!!! I doubt if they get a good nights sleep and it’s not because of their conscience.
This is one time when the saying, “You made your bed, you lie in”, is more than appropriate!!!!!!!!!
Mayan Moons (#71) … Couldn’t it also be argued the other way … that if Natalee were trafficked, it was because someone DID see her and decided that she would “fit the bill”?
If I remember, the famous PvdS phrase “no body, no crime” or “no body, no case” was said to the three stooges during those ten days or so when the two security guards were under arrest (with absolutely no justification) and the three last seen with Natalee were free to roam the island.
The phrase can be interpreted in two ways (at least):
1. without a corpse, prosecution is impossible. (Karin Janssen specifically denied this, and said that such a case could indeed be prosecuted.)
2. if Natalee is still missing, nobody can prove whether she is dead, alive and kidnapped, alive and ran away, etc.
None of us believes for one second that she ran away.
We know from the testimony of Charles Croes that Joran and Deepak were arranging alibis, or trying to do so, before it was known that Natalee was missing.
We know that van der Straaten, chief of police, was insisting on the basis of evidence he had seen that Natalee was dead. (Curious, isn’t it, that whatever that evidence was hasn’t been made public?) Even so, we also know that Aruba, some months after Natalee vanished, was asking neighboring countries to be on the watch for her.
Sort of funny, isn’t it, that the chief of police would be saying she was dead … and that he had seen the evidence … and that months later, they would be asking other countries to keep an eye out for her?
It seems that everything and everyone in Aruba goes off in their own direction, so to speak. Contradiction piles upon contradiction upon contradiction … and nobody ever resolves them, or even tries to. Today’s statement is denied tomorrow, with no more explanation than that.
Why did PvdS go to Miami? I want to do some research, but have been told that his trip lasted only a few days and was between June and August. That’s just after Natalee went missing. What did he have to do there, and who did he have to see?
I’ve never thought that Natalee was destined for trafficking from early on … which doesn’t mean it’s impossible. But it seems more likely to me that it was an after-the-fact way of disposing of her. Once again, it depends on who would have the motive and who would be so disturbed. A teenage fantasy of total control, run amok?
And again … she could have been confined somewhere for days, on the island or on a boat. No reason that she had to be taken from Aruba the day she vanished.
My guess is that IF she were trafficked, that wasn’t the plan from the start. Rather, someone faced a dilemma in what to do … someone had the opportunity … and someone, or more than one, was amoral enough to do it.
But I don’t think the idea is absurd. Two years this week, and no sign of Natalee on the island. Surely we can’t rule out that she might have been taken off it … which wouldn’t necessarily mean she is still alive. But it could.
Remember Amy Bradley.
We are all waiting on the Dutch, it seems; it’s as though the case is in a state of suspended animation. What is JQK doing? What is the status of the Kalpoes’ lawsuit?
Something HAS to happen soon.
Meanwhile … remember, Aruba Tourism Authority will be at a travel show in New Orleans at the end of June. Does anyone who reads here live nearby? If so, please contact VolunteersforNatalee@gmail.com.
No justice for Natalee … no tourists for Aruba!
I found my answer on page 151 in Dave’s book. He was refering to Joran as he would sign off with….
Dont’t hate the player, Hate the game”.
How could ANY judge release J2K from jail when,
in the police statements, there is admission that
Natalee did not recover ?!
In Blogs for Natalee I read that a judge was to make a decision on or around April 2 as to whether to throw out the lawsuit against the Kilpoes Does anyone know if the decision has been made yet????
I must disagree with Dave regarding the Dutch Investigators and how they are tight lipped regarding their investigation.
You will remember that within hours of searching Paulus’ yard Paulus was giving interviews stating that he was told that no evidence was found on the property. Tight lipped???
I couple this with the COMPLETELY unprofessional conduct of the Dutch Investigators to be apparently reading the Predator’s book and openly laughing while on break during the search of the Sloot compound. Paulus made these charges. I believe this conduct was intentional….as well as the timing of Paulus’ statements…in order to create the facade of the Dutch really do want to see Joran go down for these crimes.
If there was enough evidence to search Paulus and Anita’s home after releasing Paulus as a suspect, there is clearly enough evidence to rearrest Paulus as a suspect (and, as the Aruban courts have determined as FACT, Paulus was intimately involved with the evening of Natalee’s death).
It is all a joke. The Dutch Investigators will hand the files back to the Arubans and they will close the case up in the next few weeks.
The time is coming to begin an organized campaign for the January – May 2008 tourist season.
md
Not a word from Beth. Has she given up speaking with the media? I don’t blame her after all that she has been through.
You know, maybe Paulus did have a thing for young girls and maybe that’s what Joran meant when he said if Anita had been home this would never have happened.
I assumed-because Joran said so- Joran meant he wouldn’t have sneaked out if his mother had been home. But reading his (translated excepts) book it seems it didn’t matter if Anita was there or not when Joran decided to sneak out. However, I’m sure had Anita been home PAULUS would not have gone out.
Another thing he might have meant by it was perhaps if Anita had been home when a sick and/or injured Natalee was taken to/or dumped at the VDS house, Anita would have seen to it that Natalee went to a hospital.
Dutch Team:
When are you going to RE-ARREST PAULUS?
They are not going to re-arrest Paulus. It is over. This last so called investigation was a joke…just another slap in the face to Natalee, her family and the American people. It was a way for them to close the case. Sad…but justice will never be served…on earth that is.
When Aruba does close the case tomorrow…all I can say is…it is on Aruba. You think we have made it difficult so far? Just wait. I think I speak for pretty much everyone on here…Aruba will be done if they close the case.
Arrest Paulus, his buddies and the predators! You have the evidence…you know you do!
Justice for Natalee
Down with LIERUBA
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
BOYCOTT SATANS ISLAND
Has Jossy made any mention of the Dutch leaving in his paper?
I do have question for the board. When Stratten left this case. Is it because he retired? Why did he step down?
Meeeee,
Straten left to be the police chief on some other corrupt Dutch enclave.
What you see with this case is that virtually all of the major players have ditched the crime scene with the aide of Aruba and the Netherlands.
Joran Van Der Sloot is now in the Netherlands (released during Hurricane Katrina when ALL of our media left Aruba for New Orleans). Before the media could catch up…they hustled Joran out of the country.
Van Der Stratten – Went to Bonaire or some place like that.
Guido Wever – Abruptly left Aruba and is hiding in the Netherlands behind Europe’s highest paid criminal attorney.
Koen and Sander Goettenboes – Ditched to the USA supposedly.
Geoffrey Van Croimvert – Ditched to the Netherlands
Geoffrey’s father – Ditched his business interests in Aruba and also scurried back to the Netherlands.
Karin Janssen – Left for the Netherlands
Dennis Jacobs – Who knows where he is….but he is gone.
Gerald Dompig – No longer ‘on the force’. Appears to be handed a security business with lucrative contracts.
Does anyone sense a theme above……get all involved as far away from the crime scene as possible.
I think the only reason Paulus is sticking around is because he has been told….this was your deal and you are sticking around until it is finished.
Seeing that most of Aruba hates the Van Der Sloots for what they have done to their island, it is completely irrational that Anita and Paulus stick around….unless, this was their “sentence”.
md
Arrest Paulus….don’t let him flee with the other perps/predators!
minnesotadad: when did the van cromvoirts go back to the netherlands?
If in fact they did go back, my suspicions about cameras in the Holiday Inn guest rooms are now heightened.
Especially since the HI renovated rooms on the first floor where Natalee was staying.
The Gottenbos are apparently in Georgia. A little southern hospitality may get some info.
Paulus can’t leave; he is guarding a secret.
That is a good question about DJ. WTF is he?
Guido and Joran are loving it up in the Netherlands.
I’m speaking from a very faulty memory, but I think that van der Straaten is supposed to be on Curacao.
According to the Bradleys, that’s about the one place in the Caribbean that can make Aruba look honest.
Joran made a statement to Dompig that we will never find Natalee; Dompig said we will find her and Joran replied with “Wanna bet”,I wonder what makes him so sure. He also told a reporter that he knows what happened to Natalee and will tell someday. Why not put an end to all this madness,false hopes,lies, always leading us in the wrong direction, no closure for anyone and he continues to thrive on the pain and suffering he causes. What’s it take to implement the IV drop!!!!!!!! He’s already given us open admission.
Richard; The last I heard also; was he went to Bonaire
Satish Statement on June 30, 2005
He thinks Natalee drowned……Satish, do you know Joran stated he thinks you killed Natalee?
This band of murderers will happen upon tragedy by their own hands. Somebody’s going to snitch. I bet you couldn’t drive a nail up Paulas rear-end. Deepak will take the fall for the murder of Natalee Holloway before this is all over. How does it feel you little nobody to know you will spend the rest of your life in prison for the sins of joran and his low-life father? Nothing will happen to joran or paulas, but deepak will be convicted. The Dutch have to convict one of these corrupt cowards, and I’ll bet the farm they convict mr. nobody deepak. He will tell all, but the corrupt aruban’s will send deepak to prison to rot all by himself. He’ll die in prison.
judicial-inc {{edit – this site is very anti semitic and we don’t like to link to it – klaasend}}
Check this out…it is pretty interesting.
it amazes me that every suspect in this case is allowed to travel at will, to come & go as if nothing happened !if that little piss-pants gottenbos is really in Georgia, i’m very surprised he hasn’t come up missing.
old papa sloot isn’t going to leave aruba because he has something to hide on his property. we just need the right people willing to find it.
I thought the site was just giving another version of what might have happened to Natalee.
#92 Minnisotadad…the reason Paulus hasn’t left the island as the others have might be because he is afraid to leave his property unattended, if you know what I mean.
OH gee! #101…I should have scrolled down before posting and I’d have seen my ‘idea’ was hardly original!
I really meant no disrespect to the Jewish community. I would never do that.
Some of the things the writer of this article feels what happened…might have happened..and what the writer states does make sense. For instance, if Natalee had simply died of an overdose, they would have tossed her in the ocean and played it off like a simple drowning. It would have made page 3 of the paper and been over in two weeks or less. Or, if Deepak or Satish had murdered Natalee, Joran and Paulus would have hung them out to dry….which leaves Paulus and Joran as the perpetrators. The writer appears to think that this is how it went down after Natalee got in the car with Joran, and the K brothers. They take Natalee back to Joran’s house. Joran raped Natalee and filmed it. Natalee recovers and tries to escape. Joran tries to stop her. Natalee hits Joran (which would explain his black eye). Joran, being the arrogant sob he is, explodes and beats her to death with his fist or with a bat, golf club or something similar…which explains why they can’t give her back and must put her in a place where no one will ever find her. Her skeleton would reflect a blugeon. The writer feels she was cremated…which a lot of us feel is a great possibility. Joran woke his father, the father set things in motion..starting with going to the ATM. Paulus knew he had to dispose of Natalee’s body and that he needed help. He coached the three boys. Directed the burial and final disposal of Natalee’s body. Her body was dug up and brought to Yolanda Wever’s cremation…with the assistance of Joran’s buddy, Guido Wever. There is a lot more in the article as to the persons who may have assisted in the cover up.
Again, I am sorry if I offended anyone.
Libby (#101), can you give us a brief sense of what the ideas on that prohibited site were?
#105-Richard. It made statements such as “here is the real animal…a dutch Jew” when referring to Paulus etc. I think that is what was prohibited to post.
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SM: Did you look at the entire site? It isn’t just that one statement, the whole site is very anti-semintic. There are some interresting theories there in the NH case and some great photos but the site on the whole is pretty bad and that’s why we really don’t want to link to it. (klaasend)
SM, I did read the entire site..and you are correct…it is anti semintic. I was just giving an example of one of the statements.
The reason I posted it was because of the intesting…and very possible theories.
Again, I do apologize.
I didn’t get to read that article, but the summation seems to make a lot of sense to me….except for the part about Joran having a blackeye being inflicted upon him by Natalee. Isn’t the blackeye a rumor anyhow?
You have to remember when a gang rapes a girl it is usually done while being held facedown to make it easier to keep the victim from kicking etc. Hence, none of the perps HAD to have had any marks on them. What you see on TV with rapists going at it face to face is not always the case and usually when it is, there is bondage involved so still no marks necessarily. When you read about Human Trafficking practices whereby they immediately aggressively rape the victim to scare the living hell out of her, it is done face down. Those who know what they are doing, do it face down is all I’m saying. And as the general public assumes a rapist should have marks on them, well, you get the picture….rapists walk free if we are determined to look for marks.
In spite of all my speculating about whatifs, I still believe Natalee was a wonderful girl who may have drank/over drank on vacation, but I do not think she had having sex with anyone in mind. I do, however, believe Joran figured her to be ‘one of those girls’ simply because he thinks that way about all girls…and I think when he tried it she balked and was then raped in anger….because Deepak said she ‘acted like a slut’ and from what I understand a ‘slut’ to Deepak’s and Joran’s kind is a girl who is a ‘tease’….a girl who puts out is a good girl.
I think they roughed her up pretty bad before they ‘calmed down’ and then ran off and left her afraid of what they had done. But also, I think Joran was afraid she was not dead and would tell on him so he did what he usually does when he gets in trouble…he got daddy to bail him out. I don’t have a real opinion on how they got Natalee back to the VDS house, but I do think she was taken there to ‘talk to her’ and plead Joran’s case or whatever.
I also think that was the reason for the first meeting 2K were invited to….to get the story straight, but at that time I don’t think Natalee was dead. I think that is the reason why they pretended she’d show back up soon. I think they thought she’d be OK and all they had to do was get her over her injuries and let her go then deny and lie and -as we have seen- she’d never be believed should she protest differently than what Joran put out there.
I could also surmise that the Kalpoe step-dad was bought off to insure his boys kept the story cool. And I’m sure he’d have no problem with that considering the opinion so many males (and females) on that island have about American tourist girls.
The base line problem I see when it comes to those who know what happened to Natalee keeping it quiet is that it is way too popular an opinion that ‘girls want it and have it coming etc’ and no one has been brave enough to break out and have a heart openly. If people could just stop for one hour and think about Natalee being a very wonderful young woman, so kind with dreams of an honorable, fun and helpful life who was loved by a family and friends who miss her smiling face and cheerful voice and ways and grieve for the projected memories of her future she will never have that they will never get to share with her and stop seeing her as a partying tourist, I think perhaps these people might get a heart and come forward with what they know. I’m just saying as long as anyone who knows what happened can desensitize themselves by thinking of Natalee in the worst of ways they can imagine they will never have to tell themselves Natalee deserves to be given back to her family. Also, the way these people talk about Beth! That too seems like a need to desensitize so they don’t have to feel bad about her loss.
Somebody knows. And somebody will eventually tell it. But will anyone be there to listen? Not if they tell the wrong people. If anyone knows anything they should be telling Beth, Dave or Tim.
Hey Richard!
I respect your opinions very much and i’m not saying they absolutely could not of happened, i just feel they would’ve had their act together better if trafficing had been the plan. My thinking is……why in the world would you call Natalee “a corpse” which would only raise extreme suspicions on you. Paulus wasn’t thinking clearly enough about what he was saying when he called Natalee a corpse to the Kalpuke’s & with 10 days you’d think it would be stressed to the brothers not to repeat that.
Richard you’ve been so loyal to Natalee’s cause & to me that makes you a very special person.
I’ve told Carpe the same thing & feel that way about each and every one of you here.
The thing in my mind about Human Trafficking is that if that were what happened, I don’t think Joran could have known about it. He’s too stupid to be trusted with such information. He would have made a great Tool though to be used without his knowing what was really going on.
I just watched a show where this woman was raped and murdered fifty years ago and no one was ever brought to justice for it even though they had so much REAL evidence against this one particular man. But the man was a priest and many of the law enforcement went to his church they just refused to move on things no matter how much evidence they had. This man left his own belongings at the dump site! And he told several other priests ‘in confidence’ that he did it and how he did it etc. And these priests went to the cops because they couldn’t sleep at night. Now years later a new detective on the force was putting together what the priests said this murderer said about teh crime and it’s so obvious he did it. There were so many things only the murderer would know about, the cop said. Yet, still they will not bring this case to trial. So the media went to visit this murderer and he was so hateful and uncaring he wouldn’t even express his sympathy to the woman’s family. He was too concerned with himself.
I can’t help thinking of Natalee right now…..those minutes 2 years ago tonight when she was still having fun, thinking about the trip and being happy she got to go to Aruba.
Then in a matter of 20 minutes or less she’s not feeling right and there’s Joran pretending to be concerned and offering to help Natalee get back to her hotel, telling her everythings going to be alright as he leads her to Deepox car.
How can these people be so cruel and inhuman…
Lets not discount human trafficing.Everything they have given us remains on the island, yet there is still no Natalee, it’s because she is not there. A fast boat to Venezula could of happened. That doesn’t mean she is there now, they transport very quickly. As Joran said, he hit the jackpot
It was convenient for anita to be gone from aruba the very week students from the US would be on their graduation trip. Paulass how did you get anita away that particular time of the year? anita, when you returned from your trip did you notice anything different about your house. I’m sure it was cleaner that usual, and did you check joran’s little place of pleasure was it also usually spotless? Surely, anita, you must wonder what paulass does on the island of aruba when you are away or do you know, at least do you know in your heart. You know your husband likes younger women preferably teenagers, blonde, blue eyes, innocent girls. Does your son joran solicit these beautiful girls for his father? Deepak, little nobody, with no girl friends, does paulass pay you for your taxi services, or you just a servant for joran to drive him around, when and where ever his heart desires? Deepak the stupid, you’re going to prison for the murder of Natalee Holloway.