Aruba Needs to Create Many Buffers in Order to Protect Tourists, Not just on the Ocean


Aruba plans to create a buffer zone on the water due to the “dangerous situations that Keep_outtake place along the coast daily”. If Aruba is looking to protect tourists on the water they may want to think about protecting them other places as well on “One Happy Island”.

Aruba may want to create a “buffer zone” as well at places like Carlos n’ Charlies between American female tourists and those in Aruba that prey on them. If they had such measures maybe da pimps would not make it a sport to prey on females like they had done “20 times before”.

 – dutch boys hang around the bar drinking beer, they aren’t up to “smooth talking” the girls. On Aruba there are a lot of hot tourist girls ready for a 1 night stand or holiday romance. If a girl doesn’t take to you you will realize this pretty soon and move on. It is a lot easier than in the Netherlands.

- American girls are the loosest/wildest of the lot, Joran thinks it is due to the fact that you can buy a drink here when you are under 21 (American drinking age). Joran says in Aruba you can order a drink if you barely are taller than the bar itself. (excerpt from JVDS book)

Aruba 3 suspects

Or one can read Chapter 3 of Joran’s book: Going at out Carlos & Charlies.

As an aside, does anyone in Aruba have an forethought when they create service department names and acronyms? The name of the of the department that created the buffer zone is DIP? What’s next, the Aruba Sign Society?


(proposed Aruban buffer wall)

Amigoe; May 14, 2007:  Buffer-zone for vessels in sea  
These dangerous situations take place along the coast on a daily basis lately.

ORANJESTAD – The Infrastructure Service and Planning (DIP) has created a Aruba_MarriottWallbuffer zone for jetski’s and other motorized vessels in the seas between Divi Phoenix and the Amsterdam Manor hotel.  These vessels are allowed to sail in that area, but they have adjust their speed and avoid making waves.  

Anchorage is forbidden in this area, but they can drop off or pick up people.  The buffer zone is marked with buoys.  This way, the government can easily enforce the National Ordinance Public Waters and Beaches, which is to improve the safety on sea and on the beaches.  This is necessary, because the water traffic and the people that use the beach have increased.  It prevents accidents.  Quite a few government instances were involved with the project, like Shipping Administration, Legislation and Judicial Affairs, Public Works, DIP, and Independent Watersports Foundation (IWF) that has promised to cooperate and is helping the government with the further modernizing of the legislation.

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  • Comments

    185 Responses to “Aruba Needs to Create Many Buffers in Order to Protect Tourists, Not just on the Ocean”

    1. LilPuma on May 16th, 2007 8:35 pm

      Aruba needs to clean up the corruption in its police department and judiciary, as well as its government. Aruba needs to get rid of Dennis Jacobs AND the drugs he tells us get put in drinks at Carlos and Charlies. Aruba needs to put in jail those who use those drugs on women or men. Then, if the boys and girls want to play, let them play.

    2. Janet on May 16th, 2007 8:56 pm


      Beth Twitty
      ‘The Abrams Report’
      August 4, 2005
      TWITTY: You know it’s a pretty long scenario; we have a lot of details. You know the main thing to sum it up is you know Joran, how he entered this establishment. I believe that you know if you enter on the right side, you have to have a valid I.D. If you enter Carlos N’ Charlie’s on the left side, you must have some type of-I don’t know if it’s a VIP pass or what to enter, but Joran enters the establishment on the left side, approaches these groups of tourists. You know it’s interesting how he is able to try to work his way in and connect and establish himself in that-in Carlos N’ Charlie’s, was walking her around and these other tourists and was able to point out Satish and Deepak Kalpoe. They were sitting ironically in the same corner, the same stools that they were seated at in the picture that’s been all over international media, so that must be their spot that they wait while Joran is working.

    3. Janet on May 16th, 2007 9:02 pm

      ARUBA – The Untold Story of Natalee Holloway and Corruption in Paradise …. Dave Holloway
      PAGE 9
      In fact, he (Jacobs) was so confident that she was just partying it up or on drugs that he told us this particular bar would be the best place to find her. However, he did warn us to watch our drinks very carefully, adding that sometimes people put drugs into them.
      PAGE 10
      While customers must pass by a bouncer at the door, there was no indication that he was stopping anyone from entering. The bar was packed with teenagers doing Jell-O shots and sleazy-looking island boys preying on the beautiful young female tourist. … I did not want to stay inside, so we hung out around the street corners. In less than two hours, we probably experienced at least ten to fifteen offers from various drug dealers who wanted us to buy from them.
      PAGE 16
      During our daylight searches throughout the island, our group came across many abandoned houses where drug addicts had left razors and other drug paraphernalia. Some were filled with foul smelling odors, feces, urine, cardboard boxes they used as blankets or beds, and general trash. One of those houses was located right next to a fine restaurant near the hotel area and a McDonald’s. … Several times, people came into the hotel to meet with other locals and an apparent drug deal was taking place. The person would come in to scope out the area prior to doing the deal.

    4. katablog on May 16th, 2007 9:06 pm

      Aruba is not a safe vacation spot. If you aren’t raped and killed, expect at the very least to be approached by chollers, looking for hand outs and trying to sell drugs. Oh, and did anyone tell you how often hotel rooms and vacation rentals are burglarized?

      You may be looking for an adventurous vacation, but be assured, Aruba offers only nightmares!

      Beware of predators in Aruba, Aruba vacations, Aruba hotels, Aruba weather, Aruba beaches, Aruba flight information, Aruba scuba diving, Aruba restaurants, Aruba night life, Aruba accommodations.

    5. JusticeforNatalee on May 16th, 2007 9:12 pm

      Take away the liquor license at C and C’s.
      Shut them down.

      Jacobs admitted that drugging was going on there.

      Protect the young women who come to your island.
      (And also the ones who live there.)

    6. Janet on May 16th, 2007 9:18 pm


      Joe Tacopina
      On the Record w/Greta
      May 17, 2006
      GRETA: Booty is enormously…Booty is someone who hangs out on the beach, made a live on the beach. Someone who I have been told has a criminal history. He is there sometimes at night…has access to a boat, is the brother in law of Gerald Dompig.
      JOE: And…most importantly, he had a hut on the beach and he showed us where it was that had a direct shot into the room stayed at that night. We were there…the beach that he lived in, I mean literally stayed on this beach out there.

    7. Janet on May 16th, 2007 9:28 pm


      Bob Plummer
      The Birmingham News
      May 28, 2006
      … Another hotel guest sought out Plummer and warned him that a man was on the beach trying to sell drugs to the students. “I just asked him to leave them alone,” Plummer said. “He went ballistic and threatened to slash me up.” Plummer called the police, and met with the hotel manager on the day they left to express his concerns about the incident.

    8. 10061906 on May 16th, 2007 9:37 pm

      On Aruba there are not that many concrete or cement businesses.
      You can look them up here. Or any other business or person.
      Funeral homes.
      Phone Services.
      Security Systems.
      ATM Locations.
      Internet Cafes.
      Bars Resturants.
      Its interesting when the addresses come up and you can see the proximity to one another.
      I almost forgot….

    9. Rastus on May 16th, 2007 9:47 pm

      #4 You are far off base with such a gratuitous generalization that is well short on fact and way long on embellishment and unsupportable innuendo.

      I have had at least 2 different sets of family who have visited Aruba in the past 2 years. Both reported exceptional service at their respective hotels, exceptional friendliness of all with whom they had contact, and absolutely no concerns or fears during their respective stays.

      And I am quite confident that the experiences they took away from Aruba were exponetionally better than those experiences of being hosted in the homes of many who post here.

      For your sake, I hope you have access to exceptional legal representation. You (and others for that matter) may need it.


      SM: 2? A whopping 2 families? Oh boy. I hate to inform you, but more than 2 families have not returned to Aruba since Natalee went missing in 2005 … I will go out on a limb and say more than 2. Bet their experiences were not so great … nor will they ever be as they will not be ever going back. By the looks of your tourism, your comments are baseless and false.

      I know you in Aruba have trouble with that free speech concept … embrace it, you may get used to it.



    10. Richard on May 16th, 2007 10:23 pm

      Sure, Rastus, anything you say.

      For my part, here’s my advice on avoiding problems on Aruba:

      BOYCOTT ARUBA. Now and always.

    11. Allan K on May 16th, 2007 10:29 pm

      JUST IN-AP REPORT. Dompig moves and teams up with Booty in the beach hut and in the bushes by the motel. Terrorist and Central Aruba Intelligence located first bamboo crack shack on right.

    12. mayan_moons on May 16th, 2007 10:54 pm

      Shouldn’t you be dancing Rasta?~

    13. mayan_moons on May 16th, 2007 10:56 pm

      LOL at the Aruba Sign Society!


    14. mayan_moons on May 16th, 2007 10:58 pm

      LOL AllanK!

      That is hilarious!!

    15. mayan_moons on May 16th, 2007 11:10 pm

      Richard gives good advise…

      (stay away from Aruba)

    16. Pearl on May 16th, 2007 11:31 pm


      Asked what FBI profilers told Dompig about van der Sloot’s psychological profile, he says, “They use the word sociopath. And the fact that he was capable of lying about basically everything.”
      CBS News, March 25, 2006
      48 Hours

    17. Pearl on May 16th, 2007 11:36 pm


      “I had access to several statements, and in one of Joran’s statements he’s describing Natalie as she’s falling asleep and waking up, falling asleep and waking up repeatedly. And, as she’s doing this, he is explaining, he’s very sexually explicit, graphically detailing what he is doing to Natalie.
      CBS News, March 25. 2006
      48 Hours

    18. katablog on May 16th, 2007 11:37 pm

      Oh #9, I’m really scared. I’ve woken my attorney out of his bed, crying in the distressed thought that I might be put in jail with Paris Hilton and have nothing good enough to wear.

      Unsupportable innuendo? Do you think all those articles in the Aruban newspapers about Aruban’s marching against the Choller problem might help me in my defense?

      Would the reports of rooms being burglarized (including statements by Dompig) assist me at all? Then there’s Dave’s book where he talks about running into Michael Dompig (you know the then Police Chief’s son) running around with a friend in the Holiday Inn trying to pick up girls to party.

      Oh gosh, maybe #7 will get Bob Plummer to be a witness for me.

      Well if nothing else perhaps I can enter Joren’s book into evidence.

      Let’s see, then I suppose Tacopinia and Greta might help me with their statements about Boeti on the beach, but I’d rather not call them if I don’t have to because I don’t like either of them.

      Red: can we start a defense fund for me?

    19. katablog on May 16th, 2007 11:44 pm

      Golly, I was so sick with worry that I forgot:

      Beware of predators in Aruba, Aruba vacations, Aruba hotels, Aruba weather, Aruba beaches, Aruba flight information, Aruba scuba diving, Aruba restaurants, Aruba night life, Aruba accommodations.

      Aruba is NOT an American Vacationers’ paradise. When they call the crappy little island a paradise, they are referring to a paradise for the local thugs.

      And, remember this above all things: If you do run into trouble in Aruba, you can expect the same “help” that Natalee Holloway’s family got from the police. Zippo!

      Beware of predators in Aruba, Aruba vacations, Aruba hotels, Aruba weather, Aruba beaches, Aruba flight information, Aruba scuba diving, Aruba restaurants, Aruba night life, Aruba accommodations.

    20. Pearl on May 16th, 2007 11:48 pm


      “Authorities now believe that the teenager’s body may be buried somewhere among some dunes, but not because it washed ashore. The Aruban authorities’ new theory is that someone, someone possibly very close to the young suspects, took the time to carefully hide the body, not once but maybe twice, literally re-burying her.”
      CBS News, March 25, 2006
      48 Hours

    21. 10061906 on May 16th, 2007 11:49 pm

      This was the initial report by SM about “Pitbull”

      Reports coming off the island of Aruba are showing that a body was found in a cave group called the Quadirikiri Caves. The body was reported to have been seen on fire by a local woman who immediately contacted the police. Initial concerns thought that it could be Natalee Holloway, but as reports came in and the story clarified we determined that this was not the case.

      Later reports were that the body was of a male who perished in the incident or had previously been deceased. Further reports show the person was a male..his head was bashed in, and his legs were cut off, and he was lit on fire. This is not going to look good for the next “One Happy Island” campaign.

    22. Melvin Thomas on May 16th, 2007 11:50 pm

      Another non story to try and bash Aruba.Any real updates or just more trash talking?Headline:

      now lets turn this story around and make it about Natalee Holloway.Even though it has nothing to do with her.

    23. Melvin Thomas on May 16th, 2007 11:53 pm

      Now everyone register so we are able to post comments and we will turn it around and make it about how unsafe Aruba is.Spread the word!Boycott Aruba!!

    24. Pearl on May 17th, 2007 12:00 am


      Dompig laid out the latest scenario of what happened after Natalee was last seen driving off with van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers shortly after 1 a.m. He says investigators think the group did not go to the beach but that they possibly brought Natalie back to the van der Sloots’ home.
      CBS News
      March 25, 2006
      48 Hours

    25. Carpe Noctem on May 17th, 2007 12:15 am



      & FRIENDS…

      Please Know

      “We Never Forgot.”

      DAY 717


      Keep On Keepin’ On

      She Is Our Heart.

    26. Janet on May 17th, 2007 12:23 am

      katablog … if I had a cup of coffee in my hand while reading your post … I know my keyboard would have gotten it when I burst out laughing.

    27. sparrow on May 17th, 2007 12:46 am

      #9 Rastus————-shut-up

    28. diverboy on May 17th, 2007 1:14 am

      Deepak…I know you read here…ready to go back to Suriname? Cant be that bad. The only bad thing I see for you is no dutch boy to brown nose for his scraps. From what I hear, at least you will have 4 yrs to think what you will be doing in Suriname. By the they have Quicke-Marts in Suriname? Next Wednesday big boy…..sleep tight.

    29. Scared Monkeys on May 17th, 2007 1:20 am

      Check out the new proposed buffer wall for Aruba … a nice addition to the island.

    30. dallasalley on May 17th, 2007 1:26 am

      Who is Rasta?

    31. justice4nat on May 17th, 2007 3:18 am

      #28….Elaborate please. 4 years?? Next Wednesday??

    32. Gabriel Leo on May 17th, 2007 6:15 am

      AWWWwwwww looky here. Even making fun of a Department called D.I.P. how saddddd….awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww boe-hoe


      SM: Its a joke GL and it is rather funny.  You do have a sense of humor don’t you? But then again it would appear that dealing with this case that no one there does. However, you do realize that most people do just laugh and shake their heads how this situation was handled as a whole?

      Providing satire and sarcasm to get a point across is done all the time on this site, not just in dealing with Aruba. Although I guess it is true about sarcasm.

    33. boywonder on May 17th, 2007 7:16 am

      It’s a typo.. He meant RatsAss

    34. boywonder on May 17th, 2007 7:27 am

      Ol RatsAss sure sounds alot like some pathetic wanna be judge…wanna be a player…

    35. Pearl on May 17th, 2007 8:19 am

      Here are some facts for the buffer zone and questions for the Dutch investigative team:

      In a statement to polis, Satish described his brother’s plans for the following night ( May 31), after he, his brother and Joran all came up with the “we left her on the beach” lie…, where one is left to consider what kind of men would leave a helpless and unconscious child on a beach?

      But clearly Joran, Deepak and Satish saw nothing morally reprehensible with THIS LIE, so, this became their new LIE to tell polis, after the “we dropped her off right IN FRONT OF THE HOTEL LOBBY ENTRANCE” lie didn’t quite work due to Beth’s painstaking love that revealed the truth: Natalee was never dropped off right in front of the hotel lobby entrance, because Natalee was never brought back to her hotel at all.

      We know the “we left her on the beach lie” is a lie, because the Aruban polis now believe that Natalee was never left on a beach at all, according to Gerold Dompig, who clearly stated that the belief is that Natalee was taken to the VAN DER SLOOT HOUSE – the house that was never searched two years ago, when ALE knew that this was where she was taken. Just read Satish’s statement. It’s right there ….”THE HOUSE”.

      But consider this: after coming up with the new “we left her on the beach” lie, these heartless men proceeded to discuss their gambling plans for more casino “fun” for the following night, after Joran had already described Natalee to polis as being in a state where she was falling in and out of consciousness.

      Apparently, an unconscious Natalee was no concern for these three men, because Joran and Deepak’s next thought for the following night was to get together to “go to the casino”.

      Satish Kalpoe Statement: HOLIDAY INN LIE STILL OPERATIVE -in statements June 10, 2005

      Did Deepak go out during the day on Monday May 30th 2005?

      No, Deepak did not go out that day.

      Did Deepak have to work on Monday May 30th 2005?

      Yes, Deepak had started working at 16.00 hours and had to work till 23.00 hours. I had brought Deepak to work myself. I also picked him up at 23.00 hours.

      Did you call Joran on Monday May 30th 2005?

      No, I did not contact Joran.

      Was your brother contacted by Joran?

      I do not know if Joran contacted my brother.

      Did Deepak go out with Joran on Monday May 30th 2005?

      Yes, when we got home in the nightly hours of Monday May 30th 2005, Deepak told me that he would be going to the casino with Joran. Deepak left alone to pick up Joran to go to the casino.

      What did you do then?

      I went to sleep because I had to go to school the next day.

      According to Satish, after “leaving the girl on the beach” in what had clearly been described as an unconscious state in one of their many lie statements,
      ( one of the many morally reprehensible lies told by Joran, Deepak and Satish – that being, ‘leaving the girl on the beach’), apparantly, Deepak and Joran then decided THAT NIGHT, to go off and GAMBLE at the casino THE NEXT EVENING. As for Satish, he went off to sleep because he had “school” the next day.

      Do the facts not cry out: SAVAGERY?
      Do the facts not cry out: systematic premeditative TORTURE?
      Do the facts not cry out: morally depraved conduct?

      Did Satish mean that Joran and Deepak – after leaving Natalee ( according to their lie) in an unconscious state “on the beach”, actually then discussed plans to “go to the casino” the following night?

      Did Satish mean casino, or “burial”?

      Just exactly WHERE did Joran van der Sloot go the following night with Deepak?

      Maybe the fact finders can figure that out for a grieving family that has been waiting TWO YEARS to find their beloved daughter.

    36. Stranger on May 17th, 2007 8:30 am

      This looks like a no win situation for Aruba. Education about the island has caused most to look for alternate vacation destinations. If they get rid of the drug dealers on every street corner along with other nefarious activities, those that still go to the island regularly will also be looking for action in some other part of the world.

    37. LilPuma on May 17th, 2007 8:40 am

      32. SM: Satire and sarcasm? Here? Nah.

      I did want to add my thoughts about free speech, however #9. Even Joe Tacopina and those who donate their hard earned money to him because they believe in Joran van der Sloot can’t take it away. But the post makes me wonder if it’s not just friends of the Sloots who truly believe in this poor boy’s innocence who are donating to the “threaten everyone with lawsuits” fund of Joe Tacopina. And who is paying for the Kalpoe’s lawsuit? Even if taken on a contingency fee arrangement, there are costs and expenses and someone has to pay them. Will Discovery uncover this (as requested by McGraw’s attorneys)? Who is going to pay for the Kalpoe’s Big Adventure to California? Or are they still hoping for a big windfall settlement? Are there other attorneys preparing lawsuits against us? How dare Greta let Jossy back on the air when he’s senile and … what else did Joe slander him with? Maybe AHATA should ask the U.S. State Dept. to shut us up. It’s posts like that that fuel the flames, Rastus.

    38. ScottK on May 17th, 2007 8:50 am

      I’m sooooo scared of Ratus. Is your real name SUTAR or Deepak or Satish or the little rapist/murderer Joran.

    39. Pearl on May 17th, 2007 9:07 am

      Typo and further considerations for the Dutch investigative team:

      Deepak and Joran discussed their plans for Monday evening, May 30th, after their lie statements of: “We dropped her off right in front of the hotel lobby entrance…” and the “we left her on the beach” lies that took place in the early morning hours of Monday, May 30th.

      Deepak and Joran ( after claiming they dropped Natalee off and then, “left her on the beach”) – all occuring according to them during the early morning hours of Monday, May 30th, then proceeded to make plans for GAMBLING at the casino later that same day during the evening hours ( May 30th).

      In other words, they left an unconscious Natalee – according to their many lies, on the beach ( when the “we dropped her off at the holiday inn lie didn’t quite work out as they had planned).

      Their next course of action was to plan to get together, that same evening to “go to the casino” to “gamble”.

      Dutch investigative team: Did Satish actually mean to suggest that after such reprehensible lies, that Joran and Deepak were plotting to go out to the casino – or, did Satish perhaps mean to say: “GO OUT TO THE BURIAL” ?

      Shortly after “Deepak picked up Joran” to “go to the casino” ( uh oh, another lie for Joran to work on), Beth Twitty arrived on the island of Aruba, only to be lied to by Paulus Van der Sloot who claimed no knowledge about Natalee, no knowledge about his son having taken her in a car, and no knowledge about where she was now located.

      Yet, it appears that same day, Paulus van der Sloot did say of Natalee: “NO CORPSE, NO CASE”, according to one report given by Karin Janseen who referenced Paulus words as having occured “in the first day” of Natalee being taken from her loving family.

    40. Vicki on May 17th, 2007 9:14 am

      Whats sad Gab,#32 is your PATHETIC life and your pathetic existence…Do the WORLD a favor and off yourself and the rest of your pathetic friends…..WHAT nerve you have… WE WILL CRUSH YOUR ISLAND LIKE THE DIRT IT IS MADE OF. You need to help the Dutch put the filthy PIMPS away.All of them.Maybe then you can go back to your stupid way of life. Until we get JUSTICE for NATALEE, your tourism will shrival up. We will have banners made up that say-LIERUBA_SATANS ISLAND YOU CAN END UP LIKE NATALEE!!!!

    41. Miss-Underestimated on May 17th, 2007 9:15 am

      dutch boys hang around the bar drinking beer, they aren’t up to “smooth talking” the girls. On Aruba there are a lot of hot tourist girls ready for a 1 night stand or holiday romance. If a girl doesn’t take to you you will realize this pretty soon and move on.

      Oh really, show us how creepy you are, and why didn’t you move on? Why did you have to drug a girl to have sex?
      Pretty sad @ss sorry that you are so revolting in looks and demeanor that you have to drug girls to get sex?

    42. Rastus on May 17th, 2007 9:49 am


      Boy, with your slow wit, its a Wonder you manage to think and type on keyboard simultaneously.

      BTW, since wannabe’s are your forte, you should be happy to know you are posting to the wannabe crimesolver website.


    43. minnesota dad on May 17th, 2007 9:52 am

      #9 – Any attorney bringing suit against the opinions of posters to this or any other site would be wasting their time.

      1) Everyone knows that opinions are shared here. The whole purpose of a blog and message board is for the sharing of opinions. Someone must have stated something that was too close to the truth to illicit a response like yours.
      2) A lawsuit would open up discovery (ummm…the same thing that is currently going on in the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil case).
      3) Aruba, is not a person or corporation….to my knowledge, opinions shared about a country are not ‘slander or defamation’. Hell….Kingston, Jamaica is a hell hole like Aruba (sue me Jamaica!); Minneapolis has been nicknamed at times, Murderapolis (sue me Minneapolis!); the French have been labeled spineless wimps with serious jihad problems (sue me Paris!). Aruba cannot sue.
      4) As far as individuals on this case go, whether it be Paulus, Joran, or 2K….you are seeing what is happening in the Dr. Phil case — open discovery of all evidence from Aruba.

      Finally, American courts are getting pretty fed up with SLAPP (google those letters) lawsuits over Internet opinion boards. For years, dot com companies that were going bust would sue Yahoo posters who were declaring the Emperor wore no clothes. These suits repeatedly got thrown out and were nothing more than intimidation — much like your post attempts to intimidate. The courts see through the BS regarding claims of damages (and in PJ2K and Aruba’s case…they would be pretty hard pressed to claim damages based on lies and misconduct…they brought any damage upon themselves and are not victims here).


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    44. Meee on May 17th, 2007 9:56 am

      Just saw on Regis and Kelly. They gave away a trip to Aruba. The two morons kept rolling there tongues. While saying the word Aruba to make it sound exotic. Feel free to e-mail them at ABC

    45. Gabriel Leo on May 17th, 2007 10:14 am

      Let’s all RUN now a start E-mailing ABC! Because ABC has done a big NO NO!…awwwww

    46. Carpe Noctem on May 17th, 2007 10:27 am

      Hey Gabriel,

      It’s nice to see you are still

      out there befriending

      all of the greater

      MIA/FTL area neighborhood goats.

      What would Aruba do without you? Oh, my bad…

      I guess they are finding out!


    47. I Love America on May 17th, 2007 10:34 am

      #45 – To be nice – Why dont you take yourself off and procreate!

    48. Meee on May 17th, 2007 10:35 am

      Absolutely. There’s no reason for anyone american to be travelling to the corrupt country of Aruba. Unfortunatly. Most Americans don’t realize how unsafe this country is. If we can help make the country suffer until it’s comes clean about Holloway so be it. We don’t need trolls like you have anything to do with americans.

    49. katablog on May 17th, 2007 10:50 am

      # 26 – Sorry. Guess we should institute some warnings for those drinking any liquid while reading.

      ratsAss: Perhaps you don’t understand American law. Here, the truth is a defense against libel or slander.

      Beware of predators in Aruba, Aruba vacations, Aruba hotels, Aruba weather, Aruba beaches, Aruba flight information, Aruba scuba diving, Aruba restaurants, Aruba night life, Aruba accommodations.

    50. Vicki on May 17th, 2007 10:50 am

      Meeee, thats a rerun…they havent done that LIERUBA spiff in along time. #45-its 10:14am and you are on the computer.. I thought life was sooooooo wonderful on SATANS ISLAND? Oh yeah, I forgot…YOU HAVE NO TOURISTS TO TAKE CARE OF…hahahahahahahaha

    51. 10061906 on May 17th, 2007 10:52 am

      The best I can figure out from the Aruban Justice System is that Joe Tacopina cannot represent anyone on Aruba.
      From the Aruban Judicial System Outline.
      4. Appointed by the State or privately engaged
      5. Admitted to the bar of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba.
      He can only practice in New York State. So any law suits he says he will initiate would have to be in NY and perhaps the plaintiffs would have to travel TONY.

    52. sparrow on May 17th, 2007 10:57 am

      Even if they gave me a a free trip to Aruba I wouldn’t go.
      Gabriel, Rastus—-Joran & Company, you make me more dedicated to Natalee, her Mother, her state of Alabama, and her country The United State of America. We will never give up. We know, that you know what you did to Natalee. They’re are many, many more of us against you–the preditors, the sexual preditors, the pimps, the drug dealers, the trouble makers. I will never go to Aruba, and I know alot of people from the USA who will never go.

    53. 10061906 on May 17th, 2007 11:18 am

      Reference Dave’s book page 178:
      Shortly after Dave found the cross with the rosaries, he decided to go to a church in hopes of getting some information. He doesn’t say which church. IMO; the closest church would be St. Ana, (above ground crypts) which is across the street from the police station in Noord. He asked the secretary if he could meet the priest. She said he was saying mass and to call back later.
      Later Dave received a phone call and was told the priest would not be available for three days. That sounds reasonable. However: if you have not read Dave’s book, guess who made the call to Dave? Dennis Jacobs

      My comment: We don’t know what time of the day or week it was. Perhaps he was doing another funeral. As I said before these a$$holes on aruba are so smart they are stupid.
      Now how would Dennis Jacobs know to call Dave? Duh…either the secretary or the priest called DJ and said that Natalee’s father was sniffing around. Do they know something? IMO YES!!!!! I feel I’m a fairly religious person and I feel I don’t care who you are: “NO ONE is above the law”. Oops I had a lapse of memory; except if you are on aruba.
      Notice I no longer capitalize aruba. Capitalization is for proper nouns only….

    54. JusticeforNatalee on May 17th, 2007 11:42 am


      The best way to help your island is to:

      1) Tell authorities all that you know.
      2) Pray that the Dutch detectives solve the case.


      Please stop whining, Gabe.

    55. Richard on May 17th, 2007 11:55 am

      1006 (#53) … Even more puzzling, how would the priest know to contact Dennis Jacobs in the first place? I mean, if he were really interested in meeting with Dave H., it would be simple enough to track him down on an island like Aruba, the size of a pinhead.

      The trolls here are like horseflies; not worth responding to, just swatting is all they deserve.

    56. Richard on May 17th, 2007 11:57 am

      Hey GL (#32) … just fyi, we’re starting to plan the protest to be held in New Orleans at the end of June.

      So you’d better get ready. New group of people, but the same message:

      No justice for Natalee … no tourists for Aruba.

    57. 10061906 on May 17th, 2007 12:26 pm

      Anyone interested in what “CHOOSE A NAME” looked like before it burned down:

      Search..type in—– choose a name aruba

    58. gutfeeling on May 17th, 2007 12:47 pm

      Although I do not agree with all the political points made on this blog, I do come in here several times a week to check on the state of this case. I commend scared monkeys in their tireless effort to uncover injustice in Aruba. I salute (and support) you md, richard, and vicki for your efforts to boycott aruba. I too, believe in expressing objection to state sponsored crime.
      The 9 days of unchecked freedom to dispose of evidence in this case is not a result of an inexperienced LE, but rather orchestration and intent on the part of LE and government officials to hide the details of this crime.

      That said, I am curious as hell why they did this. I don’t buy that it was an effort to save tourism.

    59. Rob on May 17th, 2007 12:56 pm

      No Gabby Gabe does NOT have a sense of humor.. he does however have a lead foot he uses daily to terrorize the senior citizens of Florida.

      Hey Gabe- Who owns that freaking funeral home already.. I’m getting tired of askin’.

      btw- love da jail house tats!!!

    60. Vicki on May 17th, 2007 1:35 pm

      Why thank you gutfeeling…
      On another note…a wall around the Island..thats rich, let me know how that works for ya..LIERUBA…

    61. mayan_moons on May 17th, 2007 2:55 pm

      I was reading back on the comments about the inspection of the Kalpuke’s house and someone suggested that the Dutch could’ve planted listening devices.

      Knowing that the poo’s read here i bet they have torn their house apart looking for them. hahaha

    62. mayan_moons on May 17th, 2007 2:57 pm

      *sings* I always feel like somebodys watching meeeeeeee

    63. Carpe Noctem on May 17th, 2007 3:12 pm


      oh sh-nap!

      that is by “Rockwell”

      I remember that song!

      Yo Mayan, you went ‘old skool’

      u go girl! =)

    64. 10061906 on May 17th, 2007 3:17 pm
    65. 10061906 on May 17th, 2007 3:19 pm

      When you get to the photo of Satish and his attorney; that sure looks like Adnin Bikker. Is it he?

    66. mayan_moons on May 17th, 2007 3:22 pm

      Here’s hoping the van der killers thought about bugs too.

      I hope that feeling stays with these lowlife’s for a lonnnng time, they have so many people that want to shut them down that it will be an ongoing,lifelong, stressful struggle to have any piece of mind.

    67. mayan_moons on May 17th, 2007 3:36 pm

      Hey Carpe!

      HaHahaha….you’re good Carpe!

    68. Vicki on May 17th, 2007 3:41 pm

      Carpe, you are tooooo funny

    69. mayan_moons on May 17th, 2007 3:49 pm

      Satish is being kinda pulled along in the video, why not cuff em?

    70. mayan_moons on May 17th, 2007 3:57 pm

      Top of the day to you vicki!

    71. mayan_moons on May 17th, 2007 4:10 pm

      Hey 1906!

      You mentioned Pitbull may have or did? worked as a Cement Worker who did do the crete at the Sloot’s?

      Tell me more…

    72. Meee on May 17th, 2007 4:22 pm

      Hey Vicki. I’m normally not home at that time. I was getting ready to leave for an appointment. But they did have on Mike Myers. And it did show a clip of what looked to be Shrek. And the new one is opening today? I’m guessing it was probably live. And that Regis and Kelly have put aruba back on the wheel. But i’m not 100% sure. It wouldn’t be the first time I was wrong here either. But I think it was live. It’s funny. Or I guess sad. Kelly Ripa had done a whole show featuring Aruba as the main focal point of the show when she was doing her “Hope and Faith show”

    73. Robert on May 17th, 2007 4:39 pm

      # 10061906 | May 17, 2007, 3:17 pm

      A LOT of searching has been done already! I saw a bridge comming by. Was that the bridge across the road near Arashi Beach; some time ago I had the feeling Natalee may have been there, somewhere under the pavement of the carpark (at the edge of it) or under that bridge or something like that.

      Last week or the week before that, on the Dana Pretzer radioshow I heard about the Texas Equu Search (what does Equu mean, does it refer to the star constellation?) Did I understand it right that this or the coming week they are going back to Aruba to look for Natalee in the ocean?

      By the way: as I write this I see Char (the psychic) on my tvscreen; has she been asked about the dissappearence of Natalee Holloway. (Some posters discussed psychics the last couple of days.)

    74. 10061906 on May 17th, 2007 4:39 pm

      I’m still looking for the link that said he worked part time as a bouncer and was a cement worker during the day.
      As to who did the concrete work at the Sloot’s???????
      I would like to know who and when it was done.
      You have to almost done load and save the information as you go along and find it; because you never know when it will disappear… Like the Clausen Report of September 2005;;; GONE

    75. NM on May 17th, 2007 4:47 pm

      #42 rastus,
      yes we all want to be solving this crime. why does aruba not want to be solving this crime. if they did want to solve this crime and started to solve this crime I know a lot of people(Monkeys) that could use some RnR.

      What do you wannabe? an Ahole. Doing a good job from what I can tell.

    76. glad2bAmerican on May 17th, 2007 5:00 pm

      I’m sure this has been answered before but Carpe Noctem… does Dennis Jacob look like the same but disguised man painting the bloody rock area?

    77. mayan_moons on May 17th, 2007 5:04 pm

      Ahh okay its cool 1906….but you’re saying you did see a link to it ya think. i know what cha mean about stuff falling off the net. Sure wish we could see the faces someone burred out of the Mementori (sp) Funderal Home. Didn’t Grande or somebody here posted the obits in that time frame before the people were blacked out.

    78. 10061906 on May 17th, 2007 5:20 pm

      I saw a good psychic show the other night. Apparently the Akron Police were impressed.
      I wonder if Laurie Campbell or Pam Coronado may want to get involved?

    79. mayan_moons on May 17th, 2007 5:24 pm

      geeez funeral** home too (got in a hurry)

    80. Rastus on May 17th, 2007 5:42 pm


      Thanks for the kind remark at the end of your comment. I guess if one is unable to debate with fact it is more simple and less intellectually chagllenging to ‘go for the jugular’ with a personal attack. Whatever.

      All I said earlier in this thread is that members of my family (2 groups) have traveled to Aruba in the past two years and had a great time. They were never placed in fear, and were treated well by the Arubans they came in contact with. Funny thing. Several posters claim that I lied about my family’s experiences. Why would I do that?

      OT — why do we harbor such hatred for Aruba when Alabama and other southern states have historically participated in the coverup of 100s of lynchings? Many of which included the participation of LE — either tacitly or directly. To this day, many remain unsolved — where is the cry for their justice?

    81. Frank on May 17th, 2007 5:55 pm

      Hey Rastus. Sue THIS!!!! Ya bunghole.

      By the way, have your people contact my people so they can laugh their a**es off at your people and your empty and meaningless threats. Mine are on about yours?


      Sorry guys, just now catching up. Had a minor family emergency.

    82. just moma on May 17th, 2007 6:37 pm

      Gee, if I wanted to pay all that money for a great view, fun on a beautiful beach and had to look at the ughly buffer, I could go to the Los Angeles Harbor and save a lot of money by not going to Aruba. At least I could yell, and maybe be saved by a Long Shoreman

    83. mayan_moons on May 17th, 2007 6:44 pm

      Hey Frank!

      yikes what happened?

      (u don’t hafta answer that) lol

      btw nice articles on your site!

    84. Katablog on May 17th, 2007 6:50 pm

      IF your family actually did travel to Aruba, they were risking their lives and possessions just to go to one crappy little island. It’s a shame when there are so many beautiful places in the world to visit and not have to worry about perverts chasing their daughters, trying to sell drugs to them on the beach, peeping into their hotel windows, stealing their possessions from hotel rooms, drugging and raping their daughters, trying to entice their daughters and sisters into the bangabus, etc.

      Why don’t we talk about lynchings that happened in Alabama almost 50 years ago? Have you not read enough US news to know that indeed many of these criminals were tracked down and paid the price for their heinous acts? Did you know that the US changed their laws to stop the discrimination going on in some US states almost 50 years ago?

      Why do you want to deflect the subject matter? Why do you not want to talk about a lovely 18 year old girl (named Natalee Holloway) celebrating graduation with her friends just two years ago on the crappy little island when 3 thugs decided to drug, rape and eventually kill her?

      Yes, we could go back into the history of Aruba, Alabama, Timbuc Two or whereever where many heinous crimes have taken place, but that’s not the subject matter of this blog. You could always start your own blog to dredge up the past wrongs committed by people who are probably dead.

      The three thugs that drugged, raped and murdered Natalee Holloway (also causing two innocent black men to be arrested and detained for 14 days) are not dead. They are walking around suing other people and writing books to profit off their own actions that resulted in the death of Natalee Holloway.

      Do explain to us what your problem is with this blog talking about this case and the one crappy little island.

      Also, you never answered my questions about my possible defenses to your threatened legal action. Why not?

      BTW, the reason *I* don’t believe the story about your family members is because I believe that you, yourself, are from Aruba.

      Oh, and of course: Beware of predators in Aruba, Aruba vacations, Aruba hotels, Aruba weather, Aruba beaches, Aruba flight information, Aruba scuba diving, Aruba restaurants, Aruba night life, Aruba accommodations.

    85. Miss-Underestimated on May 17th, 2007 6:53 pm

      Do not get Frank mad….I repeat…Do not get Frank mad….

    86. mayan_moons on May 17th, 2007 7:02 pm

      Yeow…Tell it Katablog!

    87. Rastus on May 17th, 2007 7:05 pm


      kid yourself all you want. I did speak the truth about family traveling to Aruba and enjoying themselves while there.

      I do not live in Aruba — have never been there, in fact.

      With regard to your comment about the lynchings — you are absolutely wrong. Few if any of those perps paid for their misdeeds. In your mind (anyhow) since it is ‘ancient history’ then it is not worthy of discussion. Might I remind you, injustice is injustice — regardless of when the injustice occurred.

      The only problem I have with this blog is that group think is the norm. Independent points of view, thoughts, or alternatives are readily shouted down with the shrillness of a banshee. Civil debate, expression of differing points of view are certainly not tolerated.

      I do suggest that if you have proof positive that three ‘thugs’ ‘drugged, raped, and murdered’ her that you provide said information to the authorities. Heck, even demonstrate the actual (and fact filled) evidence on your website. (and no, ‘last one with her’ doesnt’ count).

      BTW, folks on this board are easy.

    88. Carpe Noctem on May 17th, 2007 7:42 pm

      Yeahhhhh Rastus…

      Last one with her that was with Natalee that

      has been activiely caught lying 22 plus times,

      and is a self-proclaimed ‘untreated pathological

      liar’ KINDA DOES COUNT. If I was Joran, Deepak,

      and Satish, I’d be guarding my effin’ ‘neck melon.’

      There are some people that want to take a swack

      at those chits like a pinata.

      Candy anybody??? =) LOL

      I don’t hear anyone blocking your POV, Rastus.

      The admin seems to have let your latest post

      through loud and clear.

    89. Carpe Noctem on May 17th, 2007 7:48 pm

      Justice for Nat

      Day 717

      We Do Not Forget Her.

    90. Carpe Noctem on May 17th, 2007 7:49 pm
    91. Carpe Noctem on May 17th, 2007 7:55 pm



      I think that was a Dutch Foresic team member at THE ROCKS SITE.

      Although, it does look like Anita Van der sloot, or Dennis ‘The Aruban Menace’ dressed up in drag like some cast member from the the funny Robin William’s movie ‘Birdcage’ though!

    92. sparrow on May 17th, 2007 8:20 pm

      Rastus you want us to prove that 4 people from aruba killed Natalee. Can you prove they didn’t kill, rape, drug, bury, exhume,and bury again, lie, lie, and lie again with regards to Natalee. These four people think everyday how Natalee looked dead, and think about where they put her body. Everyday they have to look over their shoulders, and wonder who is coming to get them. Their familes have to doubt their stories, like the rest of the whole world. The world will always think of Natalee when they see the 4 peoples faces that killed, raped, and drugged Natalee. Let me add and got rid of her body. We in Alabama will not forget Natalee or aruba, or the 4 that are responsible for her disapperance, and death. Tell me rastus,what do you know of Alabama? I can tell you that Alabama is a better place to be than aruba. aruba, the island joran & co. ruined because of their dark souls. Dark souls that will he haunted by the death of Natalee for the rest of their miserable, meaningless,vacant, unpurposed, insignificant existence. I love my south, and my Alabama.

    93. Tazman on May 17th, 2007 8:21 pm

      The buffer zone is really “HAVING IN PLACE” an efficient, non-corrupt, physically fit, police department and legal system. That means that everything and I do mean “EVERYTHING” is done according to the law, and I do mean the real “LAW”. Like, don’t let the guys out of jail for the first 10 days. And, have a qualified forensic team thoroughly go thru Kalshits car and Vandersluts home from front to back and top to bottom. And, when the main suspects dad is a lawyer wanna be judge, then have a couple of police officers in the cell with them at all times to be “WITNESSES” to their conversations. Now that is what I call a “BUFFER ZONE”!!!!

      P.S. Last but not least, when you search the prime suspects home, you “SEARCH THE ENTIRE PROPERTY”!!!

      HELLO!! MCFLY!!!!


    94. Pearl on May 17th, 2007 8:28 pm

      #85… Miss U!!! I disagree!

      I love Frank when he’s mad! He helps me find my focus!
      Come to think of it, I’m feeling really angry too.

      In fact, that anger has been building for two solid years as I continue to witness a level of depravity coming from the killers of Natalee Holloway that seems almost too savage and devious to believe such evil could be enfleshed in the hearts of such cowardly men…

      Ratass wants proof?
      Go ask the murderers of Natalee Holloway and all the murderers co-conspirators for the proof.
      You want facts?
      Go ask aruba’s murderers for all the facts; better yet, go dig up all those “missing” sections to all the LYING STATEMENTS.

      You want to speak of injustice?
      Then start with the spineless devils whose first course of conduct to the mother of a victimized murdered little girl was to LIE TO HER ABOUT WHERE THEY PUT HER DAUGHTER.

      You want to embrace your notion of manhood?

      Keep pissing off our FBI.

    95. Katablog on May 17th, 2007 8:28 pm

      RatsAss: Talk about easy. Apparently you find it easy to twist people’s words to make it sound like they said what you decide you want to argue.

      You have no authority to tell me, or anyone on this blog, what we may or may not talk about or even what we may or may not use as evidence. Once again I will remind you that in America the simple truth (whether you like it or not) is a defense. Circumstantial evidence DOES convict people when it stacks up so that the possibility of all these circumstances happening are statistically impossible.

      The possibility of Joran van der snoot being guilty have reached that point – statistically beyond circumstantial possibility. The possibility of the Kalpoe brothers knowing what happened are also statistically beyond a reasonable doubt.

      So get your lawyer, sue me. Meet you at the depositions where we interrogate Joran, Deepak and Satish – the three thugs that are responsible for the drugging, rape and murder of Natalee Holloway.

      In case you ever do decide to go to Aruba, read this:
      Beware of predators in Aruba, Aruba vacations, Aruba hotels, Aruba weather, Aruba beaches, Aruba flight information, Aruba scuba diving, Aruba restaurants, Aruba night life, Aruba accommodations.

    96. Pearl on May 17th, 2007 8:55 pm

      Keep flying, Kat.
      You are on a roll.

      But cowards don’t have the guts to step up to the line.
      That’s why they HIDE IN THE BUSHES.

      Gutless, spineless cowardly men whose notion of “easy” is to GANG UP ON A LITTLE GIRL, RENDER HER COMPLETELY HELPLESS, and then, proceed to kidnap her, RAPE HER, and MURDER HER.

      The wretchedness of these monsters hasn’t been felt yet, because NATALEE HAS NOT COME HOME.

      The perverse conduct in their nature has not been seen yet, because these savages couldn’t stomach what they DID TO HER, so on top of all their savagery, they then proceeded to desecrate her defenseless little body – when she could not longer fight them anymore.

      That’s the kind of perverted, immoral gutless men we are dealing with here. The kind of men who would stare into the eyes of a mother whose heart was ripped from her body, while teling her they “DROPPED OFF” her precious baby, “RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE LOBBY ENTRANCE” of her hotel, while knowing full well, that their SAVAGERY was the very reason they HID her body from her loving, incredibly courageous family.

      Let Ratass ask Paulus for Natalee’s body if Ratass is so dedicated to finding the proof of the treacherous devils who live on Aruba, preying on an innocent young American tourist – like a bunch of terrorists hungry for their next act of human indifference and depraved corrupt savagery.

      Step up to the plate, Ratass.


      We will not forget her.
      We will honor her name and her right to justice and truth.


    97. Richard on May 17th, 2007 9:12 pm

      Rastus, your gracing our board with your presence has done me a favor. To wit, it spurred me to go through my Shakespeare to find the quote that I would use of your rambling on about Alabama and similar irrelevancies.

      It’s from “The Merchant of Venice,” and reads:

      “Gratiano speaks an infinite deal of nothing, more than any man in all Venice. His reasons are as two grains of wheat hid in two bushels of chaff. You shall seek all day ere you find them; and when you have them, they are not worth the search.”

      For Gratiano, substitute Rastus.

    98. IndyDan on May 17th, 2007 9:24 pm

      Joe Blow tried the same threat a year ago:
      “The day of people calling my client Joran VanDer Sloot a rapist and murderer is over”.
      We all laughed and guess what – Joran VanDer Sloot is a rapist and murderer.
      Joe Blow didn’t scare anyone and you bring much needed comic relief sounding like a Joe fart on a day after he ate Tacos.

    99. Carpe Noctem on May 17th, 2007 9:38 pm
    100. Rastus on May 17th, 2007 9:43 pm

      #95 Whew, you are on a roll. You should check your blood pressure. I’d hate for you to have a blowout of a major vessel due to your anger. (Major vessel blowouts ain’t pretty and can ruin your day).

      For starters, I did not tell you what you could or could not discuss. You, on the other hand engage in a shrill shout down (wit yor hommies) because I disagree with your position. I guess I should know better than to expect any form of civil discourse here.

      As far as suits are concerned, I have no interest in sueing you or any other poster. I don’t have standing nor have I been slandered/libeled by you (as yet). I was simply providing a simple warning to folks that those whom you accuse may feel differently. I agree, simple truth is a defense — but one must provide it. Speculation, wild hairs, don’t count.

      For Sparrow (#92). Simply put, one can not prove a negative. In other words, I can’t prove You didn’t kill Nat, nor can I prove You didn’t kill the last murder victim in your community. Despite the fact that I can’t prove your innocence in either instance, I don’t go about accusing you of having committed a heinous crime. See how it works — it’s that old ‘innocence until PROVEN guilty concept that our country is built upon. Not that you understand.

      Richard, (#97) I congratulate you on locating a quote from Shakespeare. Frankly, after reading your rhetoric I am somewhat surprised.

    101. Rob on May 17th, 2007 9:51 pm

      Joran Van Der Sloot ~ Aruban Chupacabra

    102. Carpe Noctem on May 17th, 2007 10:06 pm

      what is a hommie?

    103. JusticeforNatalee on May 17th, 2007 10:20 pm

      Hey, Rastus,

      Why don’t you go and tell Joran to tell
      the SIMPLE TRUTH.

      That’s the person who needs your lecture.

    104. sparrow on May 17th, 2007 10:36 pm

      Dear Rastus,

      Are you referring to Nat or Natalee Holloway. Please do have more respect for the dead. Do you know Natalee well enough to call her Nat?
      What interest do you have here amongst us? We carry Natalee in our hearts. Where do you carry Natalee? What feelings do you have for Natalee? What do you know about Natalee? Do you have more to say that we would like to know?

    105. sparrow on May 17th, 2007 10:46 pm

      rastus, I do not believe you are from the USA. I do believe you are from aruba.
      I also believe we have touched a nerve with you concerning Natalee Holloway.
      Let me also add rastus, that we also have a deep respect for Beth Holloway. She is a courageous woman, and she has determination. Beth Holloway also has the help of thousands of people from the USA and the state of Alabama. We have watched Natalee’s Mother, Beth Holloway for 2 years. She is a very brave soul, and fearless lady.

    106. Katablog on May 17th, 2007 11:04 pm

      RatsAss: I’ll await your answers to my questions rather than your dumb rhetoric. Attack me, instead of sticking to the issues. It doesn’t bother me. It’s very typical of people who can’t speak to the issues.

      The issues are that there is more than enough circumstantial evidence to convict joran van der snoot of kidnapping, drugging, sexual assault and killing Natalee Holloway. If he or the kowpoos want to sue me, fine. No problem here.

      Thanks for the blood pressure warnings, but fear not. My doctor informs me I have very good blood pressure and an extremely low heart rate.

      Now, let me return the favor and provide you with a warning:
      Beware of predators in Aruba, Aruba vacations, Aruba hotels, Aruba weather, Aruba beaches, Aruba flight information, Aruba scuba diving, Aruba restaurants, Aruba night life, Aruba accommodations. Stay away from One Crappy Island unless you want to stay there permanently.

    107. Miss-Undestimated on May 17th, 2007 11:13 pm

      Aruba is not safe, why do you think they ATA wants to provide compounds for visiting tourists? ATA, is trying to stop another Natalee Holloway Crime, one more, and the island might as well put a DNR shingle on the door.

      The island is dead in the water…the sinker will be
      1. another crime like Natalee Holloway
      2. Letting the Natalee Holloway case go without locking up all 89 perps involved.

      BTW another dead day on the beach….my eyes don’t lie…


    108. viet vet on May 17th, 2007 11:21 pm

      Amen Kat.

    109. Pearl on May 17th, 2007 11:31 pm

      Ratas, you feign the desire for discourse, as you shift and hack away at the truth, while feebly attempting to distract us from why we are all here…

      You cannot silence this little girls voice.
      You cannot bury her truth.
      Her story is going to be told… over and over again.

      Discourse is what you want?
      Why don’t you invite Paulus of the bush, and his lying son to the table where discourse can be served by twelve or more field agents who would love to sit down and have a little discourse chat with Paulus and his son.

      Invite Paulus and Joran to the discourse table where some heavy truth serum can be served up with a follow up of lie detector tests.

      You want dialogue?
      Then start the discourse with Paulus telling Beth and Dave WHERE he had their precious Natalee’s body taken to.

      You want discourse? Then indeed it shall unfold ON NATALEE’S TERMS.

      Go ask Van der Straaten, Jacobs and their friends for the MISSING PAGES from all the lying statements made by Paulus, Joran, Deepak and Satish, along with the confession made by Joran.

      Discourse is what you seek?

      Then tell the murderers and their co-conspirators to end this torment that they have inflicted upon the Twitty-Holloway families, end the depraved torture by returning Natalee’s tormented body so that she can be buried with decency and respect by a family that knows the meaning of LOVE.

      What’s the matter, Ratas…is truth serum too strong a drink for the likes of Paulus and Joran who thought nothing of denying the Holloway Twitty family of their beloved little girls’ battered, tortured remains?

    110. sparrow on May 17th, 2007 11:40 pm

      Pearl you are very good with the pen, my friend. I Enjoy what you write.

    111. Pearl on May 18th, 2007 12:09 am

      Fly high precious Sparrow.
      Rise up on the wings of this precious little Angel named Natalee.

      It is her spirit that guides our writing.
      Her truth that invokes integrity to give honor to her good name.

      They cannot crush her tiny hands…not anymore.
      They cannot bury her courageous, bold truth…never again.

      This child’s voice cries out for her right to be set free.

      Not free from the depraved cruelty they inflicted upon her…they can not crush her tiny little body anymore…
      but she must be set free from the vicious lies they told about her,
      free from the filthy wretchedness they inflicted upon her good name…free to be returned to her mother’s loving embrace and her father’s broken to have her precious body returned to her homeland…free to be buried in her beloved Alabama with the dignity and honor she so very much deserves. FREE… to be reunited with her family, in a place deserving of her rememberance.

      We will stand together, Sparrow.
      We will stand together in this child’s name.
      She is one of us, one of our precious children, and we can no more forsake leaving her honor, her truths, her precious remains abandoned in Aruba, than we could leave her family alone to bear the cruelty and viciousness inflicted upon them by callous men whose souls are as empty as their shallow hearts.

      Rise up, Sparrow and fly high for Natalee!
      She will guide your every stroke of the pen!
      Even now, she beckons to each of us: Find your honor and integrity, and set me free!







      Keep flying high, Sparrow…
      Soar with Natalee’s truth beneath your wings.
      She will carry you, and guide you along the way!

    112. Rastus on May 18th, 2007 12:09 am

      The plot thickens. . .

      Kata, I don’t think I attacked you. If I did, it was certainly less than you attacked me. Aside from a rhetorical question or two, you have not posed a direct question to me that I have not responded. If I’ve missed one, please note it directly and clearly, please. I shall be happy to respond. BTW, glad to hear you are healthy and your blood pressure is good as stress can cause it to increase dangerously. FWIW, Walmart has a nice electronic BP device for about $30 — a good investment.

      Sparrow, I live in the USA as I have my entire life. In fact, I have never been to Aruba. As stated previously, members of my family have been to Aruba (and enjoyed their respective visits). I don’t know what else I could do to convince you that I live in the US. But since you’ve made up your mind that I don’t live in the US — well, I could provide a copy of my birth certificate, and other documents — but you’d probably think they were forged.

      I do believe in a couple of concepts that our Founding Fathers thought rather important. . .

      Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law
      You know, that pesky little concept that seems to be a bother here.

    113. Sharise on May 18th, 2007 1:47 am

      Rastus muffintop?

    114. Richard on May 18th, 2007 6:20 am

      This thread has been hijacked to ‘the life and times of Rastus.’ I for one think the tale is long enough.

      Another bit of Shakespearean insight, this from King Lear:

      “a dog’s obeyed in office.”

      The relevance of this to the Aruban system is self-evident.

    115. JusticeforNatalee on May 18th, 2007 7:16 am

      Paulus, Joran, and the Kalpoes WILL
      be proven guilty. It is coming.

    116. boywonder on May 18th, 2007 7:38 am

      Ratass has got to be the creepy old impotent bastard Paulus. The misguided logic is the same …blame the security guards…blame the American legal system from the 60′s…come on Ratass…where’s Hitler?

    117. Pearl on May 18th, 2007 7:52 am

      Ratfus muffintop, the founding fathers apparently believed in something that you’ve sadly lost sight of:


      For Natalee Holloway, this meant that her life was indeed something precious and valued, for surely as a child, she deserved the comfort of being SECURE AND SAFE while traveling to what she believed to be a ‘friendly’ territory, only to become a victim of an organized PLOT to ROB HER OF HER FREEDOM, USE HER FOR PREDATORS WHOSE NOTION OF “FUN” IS TO RAPE A LITTLE GIRL WITH A GANG OF MEN WHOSE DEPRAVITY IS ONLY MATCHED BY THEIR PERVERSE NOTION OF HOW TO MAKE RAPE EASY FOR THEMSELVES WHILE SUBJECTING THE VICTIM TO A CRUELTY THAT MARKS THIS GANG OF MEN AS SAVAGES.

      What happened to you, Ratfus muffintop?
      When did you first lose your duty to uphold the integrity of the law and all it stands for?
      You could be so much more …
      And if that were your little girl, would you be standing here, suggesting there was no PROOF when you know very well the opposite is true?

      Joran, Deepak and Satish had no right to seize NATALEE’S life, her liberty, her pursuit of her own happiness.
      And Paulus Van der Sloot had no right to steal her body from her beloved family or to make any such arrangements to have her body erased from the loving arms of her family.

      Natalee and her family had the right to a speedy and just investigation, the right for evidence to be seized, the right to secure that evidence in a manner as to protect NATALEE’S precious voice echoing through DEEPAK’S CAR, PAULUS’ HOUSE, AND THE TRAIL OF BLOOD THEY LEFT BEHIND ALONG WITH THEIR DEPRAVED DNA THEY INFLICTED UPON HER PRECIOUS DEFENSELESS LITTLE BODY.

      That is why Paulus needed to hide her from her distraught mother, isn’t it Ratfus?

      Don’t spin the words of our founding fathers into the hell from which the depraved conduct of these killers and criminals came from.

      Let the discourse begin, Ratfus.
      Invite Dompig, Jacobs and Van der Straaten to dig up the MISSING LYING STATEMENTS made by Joran, Paulus, Deepak and Satish.


      Let the discourse begin with Paulus and Joran van der Sloot and Deepak and Satish Kalpoe showing Beth EXACTLY WHERE they put her precious baby’s body.

      There can be no discourse when integrity, honor and truth are erased from the table. And since the discourse must include the VOICE OF TRUTH FROM THIS VICTIM, let the discourse begin with Paulus producing Natalee’s defenseless, tortured, tormented little body so that her grieving family can finally, after two very painful long years, simply bury their loving daughter.

      Anything else coming from your lips is not discourse.

    118. Frank on May 18th, 2007 10:22 am

      People, people, people……now, now….calm down…Frank doen’t get mad….he just sugars gas tanks and walks away calmly satisified.

      Mayan? I have a site? I have no site…unless you’ve been peeking at Justplainfrank on Myspace…LOL..opps..was that too much Oh Omnipotent editor? ::wink::

      The family emergency turned out not to be so bad. Thanks for your concern.

    119. 10061906 on May 18th, 2007 11:20 am

      10: Shango Says:
      June 26th, 2005 at 3:43 pm
      The fallen judge agreed to sing because he can hum any tune
      He needs to sing for his son, or see the end of his Babylonian offspring
      Paulus Van Der Sloot waived his right to not testify against Joren because he is untouchable either way
      He needs to tell all he knows or Joren will get fingered for the crime, maybe convicted (to keep the real killers and the web of corruption secret)

      SM says:
      The lawyer representing Paul van der Sloot, whose arrest has garnered the most attention, said Sunday that his client has waived his right not to testify against his son. Under Aruban law, parents have the option to refuse to testify against their children. In waiving that right, Paul van der Sloot is essentially agreeing to take the stand.
      June 26th 2005

      Can anyone find something here?

    120. NM on May 18th, 2007 11:35 am

      FYI This blog is not a court of law.

    121. sparrow on May 18th, 2007 11:42 am

      Pearl, I will continue to fly high, and higher for Natalee. I read your response early this morning. Thank you for those elqouent words. Pearl, your words are impressive, meaningful and passionate. I only wish I could express myself as powerful as you, Pearl. Thank-you again.

    122. Frank on May 18th, 2007 11:42 am

      WOW…thank you for that very insightful and observant comment NM. Gee, and here I sat thinking I could get my IRS penalties reduced by a jury of my peers on SM. Brilliant of you to let me know. Thanks. DUH………….

    123. sparrow on May 18th, 2007 12:07 pm

      My last response to you rastus—-you speak of a pesky concept—well here’s a true concept for you. My birth right as an American citizen is freedom of speech. You have hinted of suing, made attempts to argue about matters pertaining to and applying to only your beliefs. Our discussion, our commitment is to Natalee Holloway and her family, country, and state. MY focus is on Natalee and the truth. Don’t waste your time supervising your position and primarily distorting my view. Read it again–my last response to rastus.

    124. Pearl on May 18th, 2007 12:13 pm

      Sparrow, none of us hold any special claim to any special words spoken here – save one: NATALEE!

      It is she who invited us to come together here in this place, in her name.
      It is she who challenges our hearts to be moved with compassion, and to give honor to her truth and lend passion to her family’s search for justice.

      It was Natalee who called us all together to stand by her side, to stand with her family, to take a stand for things that matter like justice and integrity, honor and TRUTH.

      Thank Natalee that she chose you, Sparrow to become a beacon of her truth and a voice crying out for her justice.
      Let this innocent child’s suffering guide your words.
      Let her truth resonate in your heart.
      You have more profound impact than you realize!

      Indeed, NM, no one here suggests this place to be that of judges nor jurors. But neither will we close our eyes to a plethora of EVIDENCE that cries out in this child’s name!
      There is so much evidence of corruption in this case, it would take the sinking of the island of Aruba to bury it – and even then, our honorable FBI DIVERS would UNCOVER EVER TRACE OF THIS PRECIOUS CHILD, that the predators and conspirators against her truth and justice tried to bury.

      And neither will this place become another KILLING FIELD to desecrate an already savagely raped and murdered little defenseless girl, ganged up on by a bunch of cowardly men, nor will this place become another opportunity to denegrate her loving family, her courageous mother, or to bury Natalee’s precious truth.




    125. 10061906 on May 18th, 2007 12:40 pm

      Here we go again; you are letting the trolls get the better of you.

    126. Rastus on May 18th, 2007 1:15 pm

      Sparrow, indeed you have the right to Freedom of Speech. My purpose was not to squelch that. Rather, I am suggesting that posts on many boards may place one at risk — unless they can prove their accusations. (and if they can, the case would be quickly solved if such proof were provided to the proper authorities). A fair statement.

      As far as my “hints of suing” Get Real. First, I personally have not been libeled or slandered, nor has any tort been committed against me personally. Even your testy remarks fail to rise to that level. Second, I have no legal standing in this particular case.

      It is quite amusing that you stand tall on the concept of “Freedom of Speech” (as I am sure each of you do), yet I make a few simple posts and am readily attacked because I fail to toe your line. I reckon freedom of speech, as a concept, applies only to your opinion.

      I share your resolve to have this case solved. The guilty, whoever they are, deserve harsh punishment for the harm they have caused. I just happen to believe (it’s that freedom of speech thingy) it is not as simple as you and others have suggested. I do stand behind her, her family, and our country (ah, for the doubters, that would be the USA).

      It is quite disengenuous for the State to call for a boycott of Aruba when the very State of Alabama (and a portion of its citizenry — to include LE) actively participated in some of the worst examples of Rights violations (I think Pearl agrees them to be important)in our country’s history. Conveniently ignoring the existence of lynchings, murders, and other atrocities as ‘ancient history’ belittles the concept of justice.

    127. NM on May 18th, 2007 1:29 pm

      my comment that this is not a court room was meant for those was constantly tell us that j2k are innocent until proven guilty. I should have referenced the post number.

    128. mayan_moons on May 18th, 2007 2:31 pm

      Beth showed up at the Sloot house on Aruba less than 24 hours of Natalee missing her plane. Beth held out a large framed picture of Natalee in her Senior year in front of PAULUS van der SLOOT’S FACE AND ASKED HIM WHERE’S NATALEE AND HE LIED THRU HIS TEETH RIGHT TO BETH’S FACE AND SAID HE’D NEVER SAW NATALEE THE PREVIOUS NIGHT!

    129. mayan_moons on May 18th, 2007 2:39 pm

      Why did Paulus lie about the FACT that he not only saw Natalee but you sat next to her and had a converstion with her?

      Why’d you do that Paulus??

    130. mayan_moons on May 18th, 2007 2:41 pm

      Were you SKEEEEEEERED like you’re GoonBoy?

    131. I Love America on May 18th, 2007 2:41 pm

      Rastas is not YoYo. It’s that Amsterdam guy. You can tell by his usage of speech.

    132. Pearl on May 18th, 2007 2:47 pm

      We (those of us interested in honoring NATALEE’S TRUTH)stand together against your meaningless dribble over issues that require integrity,honor, justice, truth… not SPIN.

      How telling that the very same men who would invoke conversations about HITLER, would be behind the premeditative torment of two Black families of two innocent Black men with premeditative false accusations of murder, kidnapping and rape hurled at them.

      But then, lies, and devious conduct, with a smathering of hatred does have the same ugly look, no matter who becomes the target of its wickedness.

      Serve up the discourse that honors Natalee’s name, Ratfus.

      Tell Paulus to explain to Beth why he lied to her face about not knowing her daughter, why he lied about his “pick up” of his son, and that “departure” time from the casino, why he pointed out his son to Natalee while seated across from her at the casino table and then why he proceeded to lie to Beth only hours later, about CLAIMING TO NOT KNOW A THING ABOUT NATALEE OR WHAT HIS SON DID TO HER.

      Did Paulus do the unthinkable to Natalee, Ratfus?
      DEEPAK: “Your own father. Unbelievable.”

      Tell Paulus to explain where the CORPSE is of which he spoke of on day #1, when Natalee was barely reported missing.

      Invite Paulus to sit down and have a chat with the FBI, and bring his son, the sociopathic one identified as such by FBI profilers.

      Are you still so desperate, as to avoid addressing all the lies, the corruption, the attempts by Joran and Paulus to SHIFT a little girls’ truth from the spotlight?

      What’s wrong, Ratfus?

      One would almost think you NEED FOR US TO GO BACK IN TIME.
      Perhaps we do need to go back, but not to your version of injustices that have so many sides flipped over regarding the parameters and meanings of justice, that a pancake sizzling in the pan would be hard pressed to flip over with the changing contexts of your versions of WHAT should be discussed when it comes to the KIDNAPPING, RAPE AND MURDER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY.

      Does the notion of Natalee’s truth frighten you?

      Let the discourse begin: WHERE IS NATALEE HOLLOWAY’S BODY, RATFUS?



      Don’t let Natalee’s truth frighten you, Ratfus.


    133. 10061906 on May 18th, 2007 3:25 pm

      131 I LOVE AMERICA:
      amsterdam law was the troll

    134. I Love America on May 18th, 2007 5:01 pm

      Yes I know…and still is.

    135. I Love America on May 18th, 2007 5:02 pm

      Under a new name – Rastus

    136. Rastus on May 18th, 2007 5:24 pm


      Does your delusion have no limit?

      I am not amsterdam. But if it makes you feel better to think so, by all means.

    137. disgustedmom on May 18th, 2007 11:18 pm

      1006…in #53 you ponder how come Dennis Jacobs was the one to call Dave to report that the priest could not get with him/Dave. It’s a good question how Dennis Jacobs got word that Dave wanted to meet with the priest and ultimately spoke for the priest. I have another sort of similar ‘how did they know’ ponderance….

      You know the girls in Natalee’s room reported a man in dark clothes trying to open their door. They reported it to whom? I ask because it seems likely to me that the reason Deepak said Natalee talked to a man in dark clothes *after they dropped her at the HI* was perhaps because he KNEW already about the previous scare with the man in the dark clothes and thought to use it as something believeable. So IF he did know about the scare, then how did he know? And why would anyone tell him about anything that happened to hotel guests?

      Somewhere in all this might be the trail of covering up ‘certain’ things that go on on that island. And when I say, ‘certain’ things I don’t mean something that would bring down a peon such as PVDS or Joran. They, to me, would not be worth protecting.

    138. Tazman on May 18th, 2007 11:21 pm

      Here ratsy, here ratsy, oh rrrrrrratsy!! come on boy, ratsy ratsy ratsy!!

    139. Pearl on May 19th, 2007 2:10 am

      Disgustedmom, apparently, after Beth finally got Paulus to answer his door – at 3 AM in the morning on May 31 (just hours after Beth’s arrival on the island of Aruba), Paulus began immediately claiming to know absolutely nothing about Natalee or about Joran taking her away in Deepak’s car, and after proclaiming himself as ASLEEP prior to answer Beth’s knock at his door at 3 AM in the morning – (uh, a time he conveniently tries to then morph back into 2:30 AM with a little help from his friends), he then takes Beth on the WILD GOOSE CHASE, all over the island under the scam-guise of “looking for Joran”, when he already KNEW where Joran was BEFORE he finally answered the door at 3 AM in the morning on May 31, while also claiming to be ASLEEP, BEFORE BETH’S ARRIVAL.

      Finally, after all the lies told of WHERE they were, Joran and Deepak finally arrive back at the Van der Sloot house.

      Paulus then returns to the house, Beth follows in her car, after Paulus has already feigned to know nothing about WHERE Natalee was, while hiding his knowledge of his son’s contact with her – and his own contact with her just hours earlier, on May 29th and into May 30th.

      And do you know what took place next?

      Probably a smart agent got Paulus, Joran and Deepak to agree to go back to the Holiday Inn, to SHOW EVERYONE just exactly WHERE that drop off location was that Joran and Deepak were busily lying about now, after arriving back at the Van der Sloot house, where the Twitty family stood in panic and unimaginable terror, over their fears of what had been done to Natalee.

      Some smart agent, I imagine, got Deepak and Joran to agree to go back to the Holiday Inn and show everyone just exactly where “RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE HOTEL LOBBY ENTRANCE” was…as the “drop off” point they claimed they left Natalee at.

      Everyone gets into their cars leading Beth and FBI agents to believe that they are all heading over to the HOLIDAY INN to show where that “drop off” point is located…but, it seems – that perhaps Paulus and Deepak and Joran made a STOP, just before going over there to the Holiday Inn hotel, where they were supposed to be meeting the Twitty family, with the FBI, and all the other witnesses present in order to indicate that “DROP OFF” point they claimed they left Natalee at.

      Gosh oh gee.

      Maybe Jacobs and Straaten can figure out WHERE PAULUS, JORAN and DEEPAK all went – before they headed over to that Holiday Inn hotel, and WHY they …needed to suddenly and secretly make a “stop” before meeting Beth.

      Was a meeting going on to which BETH and the FBI were not invited, when all Beth was doing was ASKING: WHERE IS MY BABY?

      Why did Paulus need to make that STOP?

      So many meetings went on that night, and earlier that day.

      I wonder if anyone was using their cell phone cameras over at C and C’s…on the night that Natalee was drugged and kidnapped.

      I wonder if anyone was using their cell phone cameras over at the casino on May 29th, after 6:00PM, when Paulus claimed that he “went home”.

      And to think, that Deepak had first hand knowledge of a man wearing “dark clothing” who had approached the hotel at an earlier point in time. Maybe this was how they came up with the “black man in the dark uniform” who they then morphed into TWO BLACK MEN, which then became “Natalee was taken by two Black men” – who then became: THE INNOCENT JOHN AND JONES.

      Maybe Deepak found out about that “man in the dark clothing” at his meeting that he went to with Paulus and Joran during those early morning hours on May 31, before heading over to the Holiday Inn where he and Joran were supposed to go to directly from the Van der Sloot house.

      Why wasn’t BETH invited to the “meeting” that Paulus, Joran and Deepak all had together?
      Why weren’t those FBI agents invited to the meeting?

      I thought that Oduber promised that “no stone would be left unturned” …yet, here it was, barely an hour into the point where the polis finally responded to the pleas for help, and already – Paulus, Joran and Deepak are off going places BEFORE heading over to that Holiday Inn hotel to simply show a terrified mother WHERE THEY “DROPPED OFF” HER BABY.

      These lies and the depraved indifference exhibited by Paulus, Joran, Deepak and Satish towards Natalee Holloway and her beautiful family,makes these men a serious threat to the safety and well being of young American girls thinking of traveling to Aruba, when the Aruban law enforcement and government has been content to allow these men their full unimpeded freedom for what is now TWO YEARS of inhumane suffering for Beth and Dave, Natalee’s parents, and all of Natalee’s family.

      Disgusted mom: Where do you suppose Joran, Deepak and Paulus all went BEFORE heading over to that Holiday Inn to indicate that LYING DROP OFF POINT?

      Who do you think they met with at their “stop” off point?


      Did Paulus, Joran and Deepak all have a MEETING together with someone, before heading over to the Holiday Inn to indicate that LYING Drop off point of “right in front of the hotel lobby entrance”?

      I wonder what is on the cell phone cameras of the Mountain Brook students phones?
      Do you think that any of them may have gotten some interesting photos from May 29, and May 30?
      Do you think any of the students were snapping pictures for their last night in Aruba, before their hope to leave that island and go home?

      I wonder where Joran, Paulus and Deepak went to, and who they met with – before heading over to that Holiday Inn?

      Strange, because I could have sworn I read something that suggested they went somewhere BEFORE going to the hotel, and then it seems that they met again…AFTERWARDS TOO.

      Did you know that Deepak was already “borrowing” someone’s phone over at the hotel while indicating his “drop off lie” for the FBI and poor Beth and her family.

      Imagine, all THREE of these men – PAULUS, JORAN and DEEPAK, had one thing chillingly in common immediately following Beth’s asking them for their help in finding Natalee: all three had an identical first course of action in their response to Beth’s question: WHERE IS NATALEE, where all three responded with BLATANT LIES, and a chilling indifference that clearly was intended to deceive, mislead and lie to Beth and Dave, over and over again…

    140. Pearl on May 19th, 2007 2:59 am

      Oh…now I remember.

      There was another meeting that was held at the Van der Sloots BEFORE Beth even arrived on the island.

      At THAT meeting, Paulus met with Deepak, Joran and Satish where they PLOTTED and PLANNED all their lies to tell polis.

      We know this from information released by one of the security guards in an interview with the media: “The FATHER ( PAULUS), …all of them … made up the story..” – the LIES, about the security guard, what clothing they claimed he was wearing, and even that walkie talkie he carried in his hand…EVERYTHING.

      In other words, BEFORE Beth arrived on the island, Paulus, Deepak and Satish and Joran were already holding meetings to discuss their plans to LIE to BETH, LIE to polis about THEIR INVOLVEMENT in WHAT happened to Natalee Holloway.

      This is interesting, because right before going over to the Holiday Inn to indicate just exactly WHERE their “drop off” point was located – it seems that Paulus, Joran and Deepak all MET AGAIN ( unknown to Beth and the FBI), and it seems they met before heading over to indicate where their DROP OFF LIE took place…and then, it seems that Paulus, Joran and Deepak all met AGAIN…after everyone dispersed from the Holiday Inn hotel.

      Isn’t it interesting how SATISH was left completely OUT of that first encounter, and also left out at the ALE’s choosing, of helping to identify for Beth just exactly WHERE they all were claiming they “dropped off” Natalee?

      It seems other meetings also took place in the days after Beth’s arrival to Aruba.
      Meetings at the Van der sloot house….

      I wonder if those honorable Observers ever heard anything with all that activity at the Van der SLoot house in the days immediately after Natalee was kidnapped, raped and murdered.

      It’s interesting how the voice carries, particularly by pool areas. There are all kinds of devices that allow voices to be heard in all kinds of places…

      Would Paulus conducting meetings – BEFORE NATALEE IS EVEN REPORTED MISSING, meetings – at which lies were orchestrated and planned with Joran, Deepak and Satish to be told to Beth upon her arrival to Aruba – be indicative of premeditation?

    141. evilive on May 19th, 2007 10:32 am

      IMO this is how it may have gone down.
      I don’t think I’m going to make any friends; but then again truth is what we all seek.
      Please note that I am not calling anyone murderers, rapist, kidnappers, homosexuals, predators or sluts. Maybe a drug dealer, but that’s as far as I’ve gone
      I don’t have to worry about law suits: with this high profile case the burden of proof for slander is with the plaintiff. Tacopina can’t represent anyone on aruba.
      IMO Natalee Ann Holloway’s disappearance has been difficult to solve because I believe there were many vignettes occurring simultaneously. When you remove the impossible what remains is usually the truth.
      When Shango emphasizes Occam’s Razor I believe he meant just the opposite was occurring but try to reduce it to a simpler format.
      Joran does not work yet he seems to have money. He can’t get it all from his allowances and I don’t think he and his father are good card players. IMO let’s say Joran is a small time seller and user. He has the perfect customer base at the International School and the Holiday Inn. The I.S. is at the other end of the island from where he lives. He doesn’t drive yet and requires his friends to drive him around. He organizes rave parties and rents rooms at various locations and goes by the name “Stage Boy”. Steve Croes I would bet is called the “Spinner” and Freddy is called “The Shooter”.
      Let’s just say Joran has big expectations and starts mouthing off about who he sells to but especially who he buys from. He also probably owes some money for drugs and gambling debts. His contacts do not like his cocky attitude and the way he gets girls and advertises how he drugs them. But they can’t do anything to harm him because his father worked in the Prosecutors’ Office and his godfather is the police commissioner. Harmony on the island could be disrupted and yet they have to find a way to silence him.

      Now we have Natalee on a graduation vacation. Her own friends admitted that she drank too much and was told to take it easy. Rumors have it that she fell in love with a blonde, blue eye Dutch boy and that she was approached by a porn producer.
      Natalee may or may not have agreed to a film shoot. We don’t know the specifics of her daily routine other than get up, grab a drink, to the beach, out to dinner and then party. Sounds normal.
      The Dutch boy she fell in love with could have been Geoff von Cromvoirt. He hangs around the Hi and is seen with other tourists in their albums. It could be him because of the liberties he takes with Natalee on various nights at C and C’s. He could have been the one she was talking to on the phone at the casino. She claims she is still in love; he is trying to drop her. He claimed through his attorney that he did not know Natalee; that was a lie. But he could lie because he was a suspect.

      Natalee and her friends go to C and C’s after the casino. Her friends leave her behind at around 11:00 PM. Joran doesn’t arrive until around 12:30. There is no record of what Natalee was doing for the 70 or so minutes until Joran arrives. He, earlier, may have invited Natalee to an after hours party that her friends did not want to attend and now she is basically by herself. Now alcohol has clouded her judgment and reasoning. It is just about closing time now and it looks like Joran won’t show, but then he walks in the door. Joran is there because either he was called at home and told that Natalee was not within her normal circle of friends, or he was told by someone to go get Natalee.
      While with Joran, Natalee may think she is going to another party at possibly Choose a Name, while Joran has expectations of getting her into a shark fest. Joran, just to make sure slips Natalee some drug. They manage to get a groggy Natalee in the car and she yells out; don’t worry they will bring me back to the hotel.
      IMO it sounds as if she expects to go somewhere else before being driven back to the HI.

      Meanwhile in the back ground you have a jealous male suitor who rats on Joran who just may be ac/dc. He follows them from C and C’s to Choose a Name and back to Joran’s place. Maybe Deepak stopped there to see Pitbull and pick up more drugs. The jealous suitor calls the drug dealer and tells him where to find Joran and Natalee. Joran arrives home and while he is there with his friends and an unconscious Natalee, the drug dealer(s) shows up and they tell Joran they will teach him a lesson to keep his mouth shut. They tell him thanks for grabbing Natalee. She reneged on a film shoot and caused us a lot of embarrassment. They grab Natalee and take her from Joran. Freddy knows who they were. He goes with them to make the film that Natalee didn’t make. Koen, Joran’s best friend, knows nothing of what is going down and he is shaken by the experience and leaves. He was only there to take advantage of Natalee, not get involved with Joran’s problems. Later someone calls Joran to pick up Natalee. So he, Satish and Deepak go and get her. She has been hurt. The place her in the back seat and there are some blood stains. To satisfy a debt and to avoid Joran from telling the real truth, perhaps the Van der Sloots were forced to bury Natalee or her ash remains on their property.
      She may have been held in a crypt at the cemetery until preparations were made. Later when the caretaker finds out what is coming down he confesses to the priest what happened. If it were in a confessional priestly vows would prohibit him from talking. The priest told Jacobs that Dave H. was sniffing around. Remember St. Ana Church and Cemetery are across the street from the police station in Noord. Later the caretaker is found dead. Apparently his wife did him in?????
      Some landscaping work takes place at the Van Der Sloots and the backhoe worker leaves. Later concrete work is done. Maybe it was “Pitbull” maybe not. Based upon maybe seeing her at C. A. N. he could have recognized what was being buried there and tried to grab the reward. We know what he got for his reward. Now you also know why Dennis Jacobs a narcotics agent is running interference for the investigation. DJ makes sure all loose ends are tied down. Some say check with the Disc Jockey Steve Croes. IMO that is incorrect. The reference to DJ is Dennis Jacobs. Some police on Jacob’s squad know what happened. Some ride motorcycles. Some may have opened up to a motorcycle mechanic. I’m also curious about the police officer who died of meningitis. What is strange is no one was alarmed even though it is a very contagious disease. It also did not say if he had been hospitalized. Word of a meningitis outbreak would definitely hurt tourism.
      Doesn’t all this sound impossible? It actually sounds more like Agatha Christy.
      Now consider this; if what I said were true and would be made public, would you want to visit one safe and happy island? If you lived on aruba and tried to collect the reward, wouldn’t “Pitbull’s” demise be a strong deterrent?
      Why can’t Joran tell the truth? He can’t and no one would believe him anyway. Why would Koen’s father be in such a hurry to protect his family and get them off the island? Why does Koen wet himself and sleep with his parents? Why did Guido leave his job suddenly and make for the Netherlands? Is he seeing Joran there now? Could it be he was the make up artist for the porn films? Why was PVDS even arrested? That I believe was one part of their cover up that was a mistake. They tried too hard to make it look good. IMO, yes it is a cover up at the highest levels and Nelson Oduber along with Rudy Croes did it all for tourism’s sake and quiet the lions.
      We have less than two weeks remaining until this case will be considered closed.
      Natalee Ann Holloway will continue to be a missing person and aruba is content with that position. They have no other recourse to save face and tourism.
      We could hit the nail right on the head with our theories; right in the middle of the bull’s eye….WHO would prove us right?
      Yet there are many trying to prove us wrong.
      Just spread the word as to what we know about aruba and let the would be vacationers be fore warned and make up their own mind. What will be, will be, and we can’t change it. We can help but not change. IMO it will be a long time before aruba recovers.
      …Natalee was at the wrong place at the wrong time.
      Remember tell your radio stations to play “Freebird” this weekend and dedicate it to Natalee.

    142. sparrow on May 19th, 2007 12:40 pm

      I’ve to think about that one.

    143. disgustedmom on May 19th, 2007 5:21 pm

      Pearl, RE 139 and 140…you know there’s something going on when the last persons to have been with a missing person are invited to ride along in the police car to go ‘help’ the victim’s family. Seems to me it should have been the other way around…the family should have caught a ride in the police car, not potential suspects, if anyone at all caught a ride…it would been less suspicious if no one had been given a ride. You know?

      I never heard anything about a stop the police and their car-full of potential suspects made…but if you’re suggesting that car-full of island dwellers arrived at the HI after Beth and her camp did to suggest there was some lost time in there, then maybe they didn’t have to stop but just rode around a while getting their heads straight before facing the Family again and said they stopped to keep anyone from wondering where they had been. I’d believe that they got their heads together, whether there was an actual stop or not. Why else would they put the ‘potential suspects’/friend in the car with the cops?

      So why did the suspects get offered a ride in the cop car? Why did PVDS not take his own car? So like first he went in the cop car looking for Joran at the Wyndham when Joran was under the impression he was to come home? Did P need time alone with the cops before adding Joran to the mix? Then they returned back to the house and J and D got in the cop car too. What’s with all this ‘likely suspect getting in the car with cops’ crap?

      So it’s late at night and the cops give P and company a ride to the HI to show the family where they dropped Nat off. That is so much nonsense! Making a big deal out of showing exactly WHERE? Who even needs to know that? All they had to say was they dropped her off at the lobby door. There was no need to ‘show’ them the lobby door. That was complete and utter BS and shows me the cops only wanted time alone with the suspects as soon as possible….and perhaps to get away from the VDS residence. P did not want the cops or anyone else in his house or even asking to go inside at that time, imo. So he goes on a senseless ride.

    144. disgustedmom on May 19th, 2007 5:31 pm

      A psychic said this thing that Joran was involved in with Natalee was actually his first time. She said there was a group who had done it before many times, but this was Joran’s first time and that Joran was connected with this group.

      With that in mind, when Joran says he’s done this 20 times before and nothing ever went wrong, I wonder. Maybe it’s time to find at least some of these 20 girls and ask them how Joran went about seducing them away and what they did afterward.

      I get really tired of Joran saying anything he wants to and the cops deciding what they want to believe and what they don’t. I say believe nothing. Make him prove whatever he claims. Make him prove he has ‘done this before about 20 times’. Prove it by giving some identifying information about some of these 20 girls in hopes they might be found and asked some very pertinent questions.

    145. Pearl on May 19th, 2007 5:41 pm

      Disgusted mom…they had a little “meeting”.
      Read the records. It’s right there.
      It seems there was a meeting BEFORE and AFTER…or maybe one was an attempt to change and shift what had occured.
      Afterall, it seems Beth was not invited to the meeting.
      Nor does it seem that the FBI were invited.
      So many meetings going on….so much hiding and secrecy.
      So many lies to generate and orchestrate…

      When looking closely at the fine print in the written record, you clearly find that:

      THE BARTENDER, and THE POLIS are the ones accusing Natalee of “drinking heavily” along with some unnamed “witnesses” who – again, are supplied by “polis officials”.

      Natalee’s friends stated that there was drinking going on,as they were 18 and of legal age, and on occasion perhaps some of the students had not yet eaten and had too much, but no one described Natalee in the manner in which Dompig seemed to denegrate her publicly except for the other “polis sources” and the “bartender”. Natalee’s friends repeatedly said: she was not a party person, so then, WHY are their testimonys ignored and instead, we are served Dompig’s version of how he would like to portray Natalee? I guess that it would not serve tourism well, if the public were to find out that Natalee didn’t drink much at all, in fact, the reason why she ended up in that car with Deepak, Joran and Satish was because SHE WAS DRUGGED.
      That would really put a big damper on tourism.

      It’s interesting that a “bartender” could make such a claim about Natalee because you’d have to wonder whether there was a motive being served in characterizing Natalee in such a manner as though her days were consumed with liquor in Aruba. What’s behind this attempt to characterize her in this manner, particularly since there is ample record of who she was with, where she went that seems to very clearly refute Dompigs assaultive words on her behaviours.

      Natalee’s closest friends indicated that it was not like Natalee to be the “party person” that polis officials and their “witnesses” seemed to repeatedly try to portray Natalee to be. In fact, close friends of Natalee described her as the most RESPONSIBLE person in her group.
      So, why does Gerold Dompig want us to reject what we KNOW about Natalee from those who knew her best, in order to take up his version of what took place? Whose interest would that serve and would it lead us to Natalee’s truth to listen to the men whose biggest contribution in offering “as much help as possible” was to LIE repeatedly, mislead authorities and deceive over and over again?

      Even the suspects themselves, attempted to untwist their characterizations of Natalee – so as to erase the realiziation that an unconsious Natalee being sexually assaulted meant that she was RAPED.

      And perhaps the ugly truth – that a plot was carefully executed to DRUG HER AGAINST HER WILL, was just too distasteful for the tourism industry in Aruba.
      Is this how Natalee became a person in “possession of drugs” by the same man who falsely accused two innocent Black men of “taking her away”? Or did another co-conspirator add that piece in – (that Natalee was taken away by two black security guards)?

      Just exactly how did one Black guard morph into two Black guards? Just exactly why did polis never follow up with Deepak on his confession to Mickey John while jailed together with him?

      In fact, you have to wonder why those students and family members who repeatedly told polis that Natalee was not the big party person, that something seemed very wrong when they saw her in the final moments of her being led away from C and C by Joran – and, that it was OUT OF CHARACTER for her to ever go in any vehicle with 3 strange men – all seemed to repeatedly get IGNORED by polis when “polis officials” spoke to the press.

      I wonder why?
      I suppose you’d have to ask: Whose interest does it serve to portray Natalee as a “heavy drinker” as Dompig attempted to do, along with his portrayal of her as having possession of “drugs”.

      I’d have to wonder why someone would want us to believe that Natalee was suddenly interested in being filmed by strange men, when – for all previous days of her vacation she never once steered herself away from the Mountain Brook group. We know this from witness statements already made.Those are the facts. They are Natalee’s facts.

      Whose interest would it serve to steer the public perception of Natalee away from having been under the control of the men who repeatedly lied about what they did to her and into the hands of some unknown entity that they want us to conceive of on a beach that fisherman claimed they never saw any such sign of anyone as Joran tried to sell after his “we dropped her off right in front of the hotel lobby entrance” LIE – failed miserably.

      I wonder whose interest it would serve that someone would want us to believe that we should ignore all Natalee’s facts, and instead, entertain all these negative accusations hurled at her, a little defenseless girl, who can’t defend herself from all these accusations and lies.

      Meanwhile, it seems to serve someone else’s interest to suggest that there was a “blonde blue eyed Dutch boy”.

      How telling that we are back to that again, particularly since Natalee pushed away and rejected – in public – before many eye witnesses, the one “blonde blue eyed Dutch boy” who was physically assaulting her in front of numerous witnesses ( another interesting detail that seems to repeatedly get ignored).

      Who does it serve to paint a picture of Natalee being scooped up by some unknown entity, and out of the hands of the men whose control she was under, and whose first course and ONLY COURSE of action when asked WHERE they put her – was to LIE over and over again?

      Why wasn’t Beth Twitty and the FBI invited to that little meeting that Paulus, Joran and Deepak went off to between the Van der Sloot house – and the Holiday Inn on May 31 after Beth knocked on Paulus door at 3 AM in the morning – asking where Natalee had been taken?

      Why the secrecy of meetings on the part of Paulus, Joran, Deepak and Satish – before Beth arrived on that island?
      Why did Paulus, Joran, Satish and Deepak need to be conducting MEETINGS to orchestrate LIES about a missing child – whom, they weren’t supposed to know yet was missing (using the biggest lie of all – that being, that they had nothing to do with Natalee’s disappearance)?

      You can’t make this stuff up. It’s right there in the record.

      WHERE DID PAULUS, JORAN, and DEEPAK GO after telling Beth they would meet her over at the Holiday Inn to pin-point their “DROP OFF” location that was “right in front of the hotel lobby entrance” ? Where did Paulus, Joran and Deepak go after exiting the Van der Sloot property?


      Dutch Police: are you investigating WHERE they went, and WHO it was that was offering them assistance, and a VENUE from which to launch their next set of lies?

      It is compelling to consider that the only people who would have had access to the students description of the man who attempted to open their slider door – would have been a polis official.




      Natalee Holloway deserves justice and her family deserves to bring home her TRUTH.

      No truth, no justice, no tourism.
      Boycott Aruba for the safety and well being of your family.

      Aruba is clearly a very dangerous place for young people and for that matter, no one can ever be safe there, until the contempt for truth and justice is addressed, and until the corrupt infrastructure is cleaned out.

      The corruption clearly demonstrated by the hands of those officials who participated in obstructing justice, must be addressed and the co-conspirators involved in obstruction of justice must be held accountable for their criminal conduct.

      Natalee Holloway’s truth and remains must BOTH be returned to her family and until Natalee is finally brought home, Aruba will never be perceived as welcoming, or as safe, nor anything even remotely close to being a law-abiding society, in which to relax and spend one’s vacation.


      Natalee deserves to come home and be buried with dignity and respsect by those who have always loved her.

      Be at peace Twitty Holloway families.
      We will stand by your side.
      Do not despair.

      Hope truly does spring eternal, and the power of hope and your amazing love for Natalee is greater and more powerful than anything that these criminals have created.

      We will stand by your side, we will stand by Natalee’s side.

      Find it in your hearts, Aruba – to give this broken child, this battered child, this truamatized child, this precious child subjected to the most brutal horrific cruelty – BACK TO HER FAMILY.



    146. disgustedmom on May 19th, 2007 6:00 pm

      evilive, #141

      I don’t think it’s that complicated.

      I am around teens every day. One girl was gang raped the other night at a party. She refused to tell her parents. Of course she couldn’t tell the cops because that would automatically drag her parents into it. Her reasoning for not telling her parents was that they would not let her go out and have fun anymore if they thought something bad might happen to her. I guess the moral of that story is that kids don’t tell things even if they are innocent and/or hurt and I’ll tell you this too…they will often go to any lengths to cover up anything that does surface with a lie to deny it ever happened and thus making any informant the liar/troublemaker/etc. Like with me, I know what happened to this girl, but if I were to tell anyone she would deny it ever happened and so would everyone else who was there because none of them want to have their parents know they were ‘dumb enough’ to go to this sort of party and have their wings clipped.

      So I tend to think the pimps like to prey on tourists and did so. ‘Something bad happened’ that did not involve any extraenious persons. Only the pimps-however many their were- were involved. I do not think Joran left Natalee at all anywhere. I think he and Nat were left when the &*%^ hit the fan and Joran called his dad for help. I think then P was afraid to take Nat back to her hotel because someone would have had to carry her inside, and how would that look? I think he took her to his house to ‘come around’. I think she was there that night the Family showed up and that is why P didn’t want the cops or the family near the house and whisked them all away to the HI. I think that is why at first P’s cop buddies were so determined that she’d show back up. I think that’s why the internet site about drugs/alcohol interactions was gone to. I think this is why the VDS’s and their supporters are adamant that the ‘posse’s agressive attitude ruined everything’ because their presence and determination kept the VDS’s from being able to ‘send’ Natalee on her way. However, I don’t think the time would have come when they could have sent Natalee on her way because she died at the VDS property. Then after P had already said she was not there, how could he then report her dead? She would have to be hidden.

    147. Rastus on May 19th, 2007 6:11 pm

      Boy, I didn’t think it could get any more bizarre. But it has. Pearl you have raised the bar.

      evilie — why would her friends leave her by herself? Some friends.

      And, I thought mom said she never drank. Why would you claim that “alcohol clouded her judgement” She was responsible and never drank according to her mother. None of the brookies drank. We know that to be fact.

    148. disgustedmom on May 19th, 2007 6:28 pm

      Pearl, I didn’t mean to say I didn’t believe the ‘stop’ ever happened. I just hadn’t heard that. But like I said, I do believe the cops and the VDSs and others talked about this thing to get their heads on the same track several times, and that track was to blame this whole thing on wild teens even though I don’t personally believe Natalee was a wild child.

      For example, it was said by Nat’s friends that she had to be taken back to the hotel Saturday night because she had too much drink. What I think about that is that…well, you know how a responsible drinker doesn’t gulp their drinks but sips a bit in order to time possible inebriation and ultimately NOT get soused? And you know how the first few drinks you get don’t have much liquor in them and the reason for that is so you will order more…I mean if they let you get too drunk too fast they don’t serve as many drinks. So I think Nat was sipping along and then the overloaded drink (be it a lot of booze or drugs) hit her out of nowhere….but that night her friends were there for her and no one was able to take advantage of her.

      The other thing about Natalee having to be taken back to the hotel Saturday night is that it makes it unlikely she would have gone drinking wild the very next night. You know you don’t want to repeat the ‘day after’ feeling any time soon. So I don’t believe Nat was drinking her butt off Sunday night. I think she would be sipping. Still if her last drink was loaded I think she would feel the effects and stop it rather than continue drinking. She would have HAD to have been drugged perhaps in some innocent drink or by some other means later on after she went off with J2K so of course that is why the ALE etc want to make her out to be a lush and a druggie. They have to.

      If I were an investigator I’d be looking into cell records and activity of the persons of interest for Saturday night. Maybe that was the original night they had planned to take advantage of Natalee but her friends were there for her. Not so the next night when the ones she usually hung with left early.

      I wouldn’t doubt the bartender called Joran and told him Nat was basically alone. I also don’t doubt the bartender there was no different than some other bartenders even here in the USA where they make bets with Trusted Customers if they can ‘get a certain girl to leave with them’. Joran could have bet this bartender and lost on Saturday…then the bartender could have called him for double or nothings for Sunday. I will never understand why Joran would go to a bar so late almost at closing without some incentive other than he just might get to hook up with a tourist girl he was not even interested in.

      I don’t know…but one thing I will never believe is that Nat was a permiscuous girl or that she voluntarily tried drugs while in Aruba or drank to excess just for the fun of it to be a Party Girl.

    149. evilive on May 19th, 2007 6:31 pm

      disgustedmom.146. Your first paragraph. I’m not putting words in your mouth but by the tone it would seem that the teens cover for one another. That’s what I’m saying about the MBHS Students. What happened that brought up a blonde boy romance that the cab drivers were talking about. It’s in Natalee’s TIMELINE. I am curious as to what Natalee was doing from the time her roommates left her until Joran shows up. That was anywhere from 70 to 90 minutes. I’m sure the FBI does not want that known. But I’m still curious.

    150. dennisintn on May 19th, 2007 6:50 pm

      according to jvds’ statements, natalee was dancing with her friends when he got there. there were a lot of mb kids there whether we’ve seen all of their statements or not.

    151. Pearl on May 19th, 2007 8:15 pm

      Interesting how and when that “blonde hair dutch boy” lie came up…

      It seems it surfaced shortly after the governor of Alabama called for a boycott of Aruba…right around that time, I believe or shortly thereafter. Yes, some very interesting things followed the call for a boycott to Aruba.

      In fact, in my opinion, what followed was clearly retaliation for the use of the only leverage that it seems anyone understands: BOYCOTT.


      But then, you’d have to consider the source of the “blonde hair Dutch boy” lie as well.

      Beth Twitty has already repeatedly indicated: IT IS FALSE; NOT TRUE. But interestingly, that too gets ignored.
      Yes, Natalee’s truth certainly is making some individuals VERY uncomfortable.
      And these are the same individuals who seem to get some very unfortunate thrill out of pissing off the FBI.

      I wonder who it served – or what it served, to generate that “blonde haired Dutch boy” lie…

      Again, you can’t make this stuff up.

      As far as that meeting goes…what’s wrong Ratsfus?
      Did it touch upon a nerve?

      Haven’t you read your records yet?
      It’s right there, in plain language.
      Go find it, or better yet, ask Van der Straaten and Jacobs whether they know anything about it.

      Or perhaps you can go dig up that report that was supposed to get filed that night from the ALE who accompanied Beth over to the Sloot house.

      I wonder why all those meetings needed to be held, but then, the answer is clear.
      There were a lot of lies to orchestrate, weren’t there?

    152. evilive on May 19th, 2007 10:17 pm

      Must I always have to defend myself???
      First of all I don’t post a lot but I read this and other sites every day.
      I spend about two hours per day.
      Secondly: My intentions are not to try and ruin someone’s reputation, especially one that may be dead and cannot defend herself. In a police investigation; and I have been involved in many, questions asked are not pussyfooted. They are direct.
      Third: I don’t shoot from the hip. It puts holes in my feet and then I can’t walk on water.
      The old saying is you have to break a few eggs to make a good omelet.
      Teens lie to cover for one another. Police lie to cover for one another and some lie just to cover their A$$.

      Ratus: 147: Please read Dave’s book about Natalee’s drinking.
      Read Lee and Ruth’s statements: Bacardi 151 and diet coke was one of Natalee’ drinks.
      And then it was off to the beach in the morning.
      A lot of the MBHS students admitted to belly shots.

      I have read Dave’s book more than three times.
      I have read the complete Natalee timeline.
      And I begin to tell you haw many times I have read Shango, the MBHS students statements, Jorans and Deepaks.
      That does not give me liberties but I feel I have a little insight.

      Dennisintn; And I guess you are in Tennesee. Remember the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Perfect example in this months Reader’s Digest. There was a race between the officer’s and the non-coms. The non-coms won. The report read as follows; The officers finished second and the non coms finished next to last. That was a true statement, but very, very misleading.
      Natalee went to C and C’s from the casino with Ruth, Lee, Madison and another male at approximately 9:30PM. Trust me I have first hand information.

      “Ruth McVay: (to question if she saw Natalee leave with Joran) No, I actually left an hour before the club closed.”

      At around 11:00PM Lee, Madison and Ruth went back to the HI. Natalee may have had other MBHS students but her close friends and roommates went back to the HI without Natalee. Joran says that when he arrived Natalee was dancing with her friends. Was that the truth or another lie? Which was it? Classmates, roommates, close friends or aquaintences.
      Joran she was drinking. Joran she was not dring. She called me by name to come dance with her. Lie or truth.

      New York Post ^ | 4-18-06
      Posted on 04/18/2006 8:23:39 AM PDT by floridaobserver
      According to what Holloway’s friends have told authorities, the blond-haired, blue-eyed van Cromvoirt was seen with their classmate after she left van der Sloot – the pals say they saw them in the Holiday Inn casino together. But when the casino’s video surveillance tapes were turned over to police, investigators could find no sign of Holloway and van Cromvoirt, the source noted.
      Van Cromvoirt’s father is the security expert in charge of video surveillance at the hotel.
      Remember what 10061906 says about cameras in the guest’s rooms.
      Aruban authorities are also scrutinizing a surveillance tape taken earlier on May 30 that shows Holloway arguing with a light-haired young man in a jewelry store in the Wyndham Hotel, according to the source.
      They’re trying to determine if the man is van Cromvoirt.
      A source said police records indicate that “Natalee told her mom and others she was in love with a blond-haired, blue-eyed Dutch kid.”
      Holloway’s mother assumed the youth was van der Sloot, though he has darker hair.
      Interesting reading truths or lies?


      SM:   Half of what you have posted and linked to above is pure lies (klaasend)

    153. evilive on May 19th, 2007 10:40 pm

      Tis a wise man that believes half of what he reads.
      Tis a wiser man to know which half to read.


      SM:   You say you read the boards about 2 hours a day, I say that’s nothing.     I do agree somewhat with your post above and that’s precisely why I indicated half of what you posted and linked to were lies. (klaasend)

    154. Carpe Noctem on May 19th, 2007 10:47 pm

      yep… and Confucius say:

      He who stand on toilet bowl

      high on pot.

    155. evilive on May 19th, 2007 10:51 pm

      Klaasend: I’m sorry: I didn’t mean to tweak you: You should be appreciated by all who post here for the amount of time you have and will continue devoting to get to the bottom of this cover up. We all want Natalee home.
      That is precisely why this case is so difficult…. It seems everyone lies.


      SM:   You didn’t tweak me, I have a high tweak tolerance ;)   I just don’t like seeing proven false information posted.   I agree we all want to get to the bottom of the coverup and want to bring Natalee home.   (klaasend)

    156. disgustedmom on May 19th, 2007 11:23 pm


      There really is no way of knowing if Natalee stayed at CCs the entire time from what was it? 9:30? on to when she left with Joran at 1AM/closing time. There could be a time in there where she was gone. According to her classmates she had lots of friends she went from one to another and it seems at least 2 of those she’d come to cc’s with had left early. I don’t think anyone can say anyone knew for a fact she was at CC’s the entire time.

      I do find it odd that 2 classmates (one of them last name, Anderson) said Natalee told them at CCs that night that she’d met some guys and wanted to know if they wanted to come with her. She said, guys that means more than just Joran. And she asked 2 friends which implies there were 2 other guys besides Joran. We only know Joran was with 2K so was natalee trying to fix up 2K with her friends? And why would she say she met them when for all we know she did not?

      More importantly, when would she have met them? J2K only showed up right before closing time. And 2k had no contact. So what if Natalee had left CC’s at some point after those 2 roommates of hers left early? What if she chatted with Joran around 11PM and he introduced his friends and said to try to get them dates and he’d be back later at CC’s (and maybe that’s when Deepak decided he needed a shower and went home for a bit) and returned at 12:30? This would explain Natalee being comfortable getting in the car with J2K.

      I know Joran says he caught a ride from his dad at 11. But this 11 time keeps showing up. Deepak got off work late at 11. A couple of Nat’s roommates left CC’s about 11, didn’t they? And as I’m sure I recall Joran saying early on that he called Satish who picked him before going to get Deepak from work at 10 (and subsequently not being able to leave work till closer to 11)…they were together at 11. All three of them according to Joran’s earlier reports before he started this whole daddy picked him up at 11 thing. IMO, the night began at 11 and that is why there has to be so many excuses from 2K not to have been anywhere near the MB classmates or each other.

    157. Waterboy (Jerry) on May 20th, 2007 12:40 am

      And so the policeman asks the 8-year-old boy, “Why did your dog bite Joran?” “Because”, said the young boy. “Good enough, son, you and your dog may go.” the policeman replied.


    158. kitty on May 20th, 2007 1:20 am

      #64 link for photo’s… by 1006 ~

      Take a look at the last photo ~ how does it make you feel?

      The last photo, showing Beth Twitty crying, moved me to tears.

      Tomorrow is Sunday for most of us ~ we need to be mindful of Beth, her husband, Natalee’s Father,Dave, and Natalee’s family… of course, her friends too ~ and be most mindful of that beautiful young woman, Natalee ~ who is missing…

      If you have Faith,… please be mindful of them and pray for them ~ that photo made me want to just hug and hold Beth ~ Bless her… that dear Mom of Natalee ~

      The postings here have had an interesting thread ~

      If that much energy can be put into so many comments, even for one day, if everyone reading this blog could put that same energy into praying from this moment on, whenever it’s impressed upon your heart ~ every day, Every time it’s brought to your mind ~ just please pray…

      We all should pray, that Natalee’s found ~ pray for Natalee’s family, for comfort in their immense sadness & indescribable pain of the loss of their daughter~ for resolve in this case ~ for the KLPD to come up with answers ~ for a miracle ~ for truth… let’s all pray ~ together… joining together…for resolve in this case…

      It is important for people to share their opinions ~ it’s more important also to pray along while sharing opinion ~

      The sins of a few have caused so, so, so, much pain and suffering.

      A daughter is missing, gone, not found ~
      An Island is crumbling financially ~

      For what? For a few who have somehow managed to perhaps literally get away with murder, have no regard for their fellow Aruba countrymen or else they’d care enough to step up, be men and tell truth.

      Apparently, mentioned on these blogs, other people have mysterously died or been murdered ~ that may have known too much ~ they are now silenced forever ~ There appears to be an unspoken code on the Island ~ shhh secrets ~ fear seems to rule ~ for just a few???…. They must be pretty powerful, to have done so much damage and to be protected by so many others ~ it is a mystery, for sure ~ that needs solving.

      I pray, that this case, is solved sooner rather than later.

      Let’s join with one another and pray. Pray, however the Spirit moves you to pray and ask the Holy Spirit to intercede ~ we need to call upon God, beginning now every day, until Natalee is found ~ pray for the investigators, pray for Natalee’s family ~ for them to feel Gods continued strength through what can’t even be put into words of what they’re enduring and have endured, the loss of their beloved daughter ~ pray… never ceasing ~

      Take a look at the posting of 1006 and that’s what is on my heart tonight ~ I feel led to say ~ please pray ~ may God continue to give comfort to Beth, Natalee’s Mom, her husband, to Natalee’s Dad, Dave Holloway and Natalee’s family…her friends ~

      There is deep darkness over that Island ~ very dark secrets ~ the Island needs the light ~ the only way is for the Darkness to see the light ~ light shall overcome darkness ~ we should pray too, that they are drawn to the light and seek His forgiveness for what they’ve done to come clean and speak truth and stop hiding behind the darkness ~ and the lies ~ then and only then, Aruba will be set free.

      Resolving this case will bring healing to that Island & more importantly, allow Natalee’s family to begin to process their greif ~ that has been put on hold and that in itself is very cruel and immensely sad to even think about, as for healing,is it possible?

      Beth Twitty is one remarkable woman ~ how she gets up and begins a day, is beyond my comprehension ~ it’s obviously her Faith in God that gets her out of bed, puts her feet on the floor and gives her strength that must be humanly impossible and may we join with her and her family and pray ~ that IS something we all can do together, unified, regardless of differing opinion(s)… we can all pray.

    159. dave on May 20th, 2007 8:17 am

      It’s good to see evilive has been called on the misinformation campaign she or he is on. My heart breaks when I see internet gossip and pure hatred passed off as truth by some posters here and other boards. I pray daily for a resolution to this tragedy.

    160. 10061906 on May 20th, 2007 9:38 am

      So: I guess we are back with the “Shark Fest” at the Van der Sloots.
      They gave Natalee a McDonalds.
      Motive revenge.
      Joran, Deepak, Satish, Michael Dompig. Guido, Freddy,
      Koen, Andeas, Andre, Paulus and Geoff. (did I leave out anyone?)
      She died from a drug induced coma.
      Temporary burial in St Ana Cemetery.
      Now in the mine shafts at Seroe Cristal.

    161. mayan_moons on May 20th, 2007 11:43 am

      Yeah dave…..knowing all we do it is LAUGHABLE that the Sloot’s/Aruba thinks the “big bad boogey man took Natalee away from Joran” is gonna fly.

    162. Waterboy (Jerry) on May 20th, 2007 11:46 am


      Who is Andre?


    163. sparrow on May 20th, 2007 1:50 pm

      Patience, is golden. I believe the truth always has away of coming forth. It may take its time, but truth always wins. Patience, love, and the dedication will be on our side. Pray, yes, I pray for Natalee, her mother, Beth, and her Father, Dave. I think of Natalee often, alot in the day, and before time comes to go to bed. I often think that the maybe the thought of Natalee if something of a prayer. This beautiful, intelligent, small, child could have been my own, or yours. I think of the pain Natalee’s family lives with remembering this precious soul.
      You can’t convince with your lies of anything, but the truth. I am a complete believer of the 4 who know the truth, and they know that- we know the truth. It’s like that thousand piece puzzle that you put togather only to find the last piece is not there, but if you look long enough you find that very last, lost piece, and then the puzzle is complete. We will find that last piece of the puzzle so the 4 people who murderered, raped, drugged, buried, exhumed, and buried Natalee again, these 4 will spend the rest of their miserable, wasted lives being punished. Patience is on our side dear friends.

    164. Pearl on May 20th, 2007 1:52 pm


      Did the ALE drop off a camera, to the men over at the rocks?

      I wonder where Karin Janssen came up with HEAVY BATTERY, specifically charged to GUIDO?

      And then, there’s that phone call believed to have been made by Natalee…where it is believed she was pleading for help.

      Doesn’t sound like an “accident” to me, particularly when you consider that she was drugged, and rendered completely helpless and unable to defend herself against a gang of men twice her size and weight, no less the drugs used to strip her of her ability to think critically, to defend herself, to protect herself and to try and get away,despite being outnumbered by a gang of predatory men whose biggest concern was in HOW to make the gang rape EASY for themselves.

      No…that sure doesn’t sound like any kind of “accident” to me.

      Sounds like…looks like… MURDER.
      Sounds like…looks like….PREMEDITATION.

      Then, all the rapists are released and allowed to roam freely about, while the victim is assaulted in death, because it wasn’t enough to strip her of her freedom, kidnapp her and rape her, and heavy battery her until her death.

      This is then followed with: “We did everything we could. There is no evidence. We have not ruled out that she may have left the island by choice”… and, the staggering suggestion that Aruba could ever be safe for ANY CHILD, EVER AGAIN, or for any person – EVER AGAIN, with such a dangerous contaminated infrastructure that seeks not to defend and protect tourists, but to deny any truth to the fact that a bunch of savages are allowed to roam about freely after taking a precious little girl away forever from her loving family, – in order that they may continue PREYING UPON OUR PRECIOUS CHILDREN!!!!




    165. 10061906 on May 20th, 2007 3:26 pm

      162 waterboy:
      The way things get turned around; when they said that Natalee fell in love with a blonde blue eye Dutch Boy. It probably should have read: Blonde blue eye Dutch Boy has the hots for blonde blue eye Natalee that he saw getting undressed in her hotel room; thanks to the hidden cameras.
      His father is in charge of security cameras at the Holiday Inn and Excelsior.
      Sounds reasonable to me. He was the one that kept grabbing for Natalee at the HI and Carlos and Charlie’s
      We left her off at the lobby with a security guard with a walkie talkie.
      Sounds like beach patrol to me. Didn’t Geoff say he was on beach patrol that night?

      Someone can correct me if I’m wrong.
      Freddy on the left. Andre next to him, Koen in the back and joran van der sloot in the front.

    166. Waterboy (Jerry) on May 20th, 2007 4:35 pm


      Stick with me.

      Natalee’s body being at the gold mine shafts is a good possibility. I’ll give it about a 15% chance.

      Natalee being buried at some other location—10%.

      Natalee being shipped out of the country with another body, and still in the coffin—10%.

      Natalee being cremated with another body, the most probable person being the Wever lady—10%.

      Natalee being buried in the landfill and still there 35%.

      Natalee being buried at sea 20%.

      I think the landfill, and I’ll tell you why if any one asks. Is there any possibility of finding her? It can only be done this way. Sift through the landfill, until records found show the date of 5/30/05, i.e. receipts, milk cartons etc., flag the area, then go through it very slowly for 3 more feet. It would take a great deal of effort.

      The highest probability of finding Natalee is if she was placed in a coffin and shipped out of the country.

      The next highest chance is if she is in a gold mine shaft.

      The third best chance is if she was placed in the missing crab cage and sunk in deep water not too far out.

      The fourth best chance of finding her is if she was buried in a remote location.

      The least chance of finding her is if she was buried in the landfill.

      All the other scenarios have no chance that she will be found.


    167. 10061906 on May 20th, 2007 6:29 pm

      Waterboy; I followed you up to your last sentence.
      Should that read all the other scenarios have a chance she will be found.

    168. 10061906 on May 20th, 2007 8:57 pm

      Waterboy: My theories and scenarios are not sealed in concrete. Pardon the cliché.
      I try to develop a hypothesis from whatever evidence is available. I am always open to others’ theories. If I may play on yours
      I believe Dave, in his book said that he was at the lighthouse when this happened. He saw a police car drive up and two police officers picked up something. Then before Dave could get where the car was they closed the trunk and sped off.

      Let’s say if, and this is a big if. Joran did take Natalee to the beach. The three had sex with Natalee and wait for the beach patrol person like Geoff von Cromvoirt. He had the hots for Natalee from day one. While on the beach according to Joran, Natalee never woke up. Panic now sets in and they take a lifeless Natalee and dispose of her at the light house rocky area. It would not have been Deepaks car; it was too low. But a beach patrol buggy would have no problem and would be totally anonymous.

      Getting back to Dave’s book. At that distance Dave said he could not ID anyone.
      Blood is thicker than water. What if one of the police officers was a woman wearing a pants uniform and the other person was Geoff. He took his sister to the site and they picked up Natalee’s body. My problem now is: where would they take her?
      I still have this strange feeling about the priest at the church. Dennis Jacobs calling Dave to say the priest could not meet for three days was much too much of an odd coincidence. The only other person at the rectory was the unnamed secretary. Again let me remind you that the church is across the street from the Noord police ststion.

    169. Waterboy (Jerry) on May 20th, 2007 9:59 pm


      This sounds so disrespectful. Believe me, I know how it sounds, and I regret the coarseness of this discussion. I’m going to go ahead and write the things I’ve held back on. Monkeys, you can give me a good a$$ chewing. I deserve it.

      I didn’t list the other possibilities. For example, if they put Natalee in an acid vat like they use to clean radiators, and just left her, there would be no chance of finding her. D. has access to such a facility. He admits that he “pimped” his car himself.

      If they dismembered Natalee and threw parts in the ocean as they went out to sea, after this long, there would be no possibility of finding any evidence. (I know this sounds so gruesome-but I think those involved in this case are quite capable of such activity.)

      If they cremated her, there would be no evidence.

      I’m thinking, but I don’t know this for sure. If they put her into the large septic tank behind the sloot’s house, I think all evidence would be gone (It has a hatch on the top, large enough for someone to enter). The bacteria would completely break everything down (maybe not hair). If they added bag after bag of lime (calcium hydroxide) I think decomposition would occur quickly (I’m about 70% on this one).

      It they took Natalee’s body out to sea, and did not put her in the crab cage, I don’t think there is any possibility of finding her, even if at some point we have a confession and the perpetrator tries to lead law enforcement to the “exact” spot. There is just too much room for confusion, and if you are only 2 or 3 degrees off and you go out 4 or 5 miles, that’s one huge area to search. In less than two miles, humans will be 10 to 12% off a straight line (when walking), even when attempting to make a correction. (it’s always to the right).

      Other than the possibility that Natalee might be alive, I can’t see any other alternatives where by she might be found.

      One other possibility might be that Natalee’s body was placed in a crypt and never moved. I don’t think any sites have ever been searched, other than to look for evidence without opening any mausoleums or crypts.(I’d start with the mausoleums of all families that are involved directly in this case, especially Wevers.) I may be wrong on this. Commonly I am. I ask Viet Vet several times, but he never directly responded. He never responded about searching the morgue at the hospital. I think he is very busy, with a lot of concerns of his own. Everyone directly involved has been traumatized to a point that we monkeys don’t comprehend.


    170. Waterboy (Jerry) on May 20th, 2007 10:22 pm

      To 10061906,

      I don’t know if you have considered this or not, but Guido fled the island very quickly. He hired the most expensive lawyer money could buy. When they arrested him, everything legal was in place, and I don’t think he stayed 10 minutes.

      Here is what I’m thinking. He may be the only one who knows where Natalee is, and he fled thinking they would find her, so if this is the case she is still findable. I say search the Wever crypts. A family mausoleum is very likely. People in the funeral business commonly have such things.


    171. 10061906 on May 20th, 2007 10:54 pm

      If you recall there were crypts broken into. I don’t know for sure what cemetery. There was a link to the pix and there also was a video.
      The names on the crypts broken into were Wever and Oduber.

      SM if I can post your link. A hell of a lot of work went into it:
      Go up to edit. Scroll down to find.
      Type in crypts.

    172. 10061906 on May 20th, 2007 10:57 pm

      waterboy. Maybe they did find Natalee when the crypts were broken into. They ??? wanted to retrieve Natalee and place her some where else. The problem was the cartaker who put her in the crypt was now dead and no one was sure where she was.

    173. Waterboy (Jerry) on May 20th, 2007 11:50 pm

      10061906, Makes more sense than anything I have heard.

      Paulus pays the caretaker to put Natalee’s body in a crypt. He hides her body in a “Weever grave or a Oduber grave (there may have been bodies put in each). He decides to talk, and gets himself killed in the process. Only problem is he doesn’t tell which crypt he put her in. The perpetrators don’t know if he told anyone or not, so they had to break into the crypts until they located Natalee’s body. They then did something else with Natalee.


    174. Barbara on May 21st, 2007 12:48 am

      I remember innocent tourists shot in Miami as they drove off in their rental car’s from the airport, this happened over and over again, should the whole world boycot the US now? It’s horrible that a young girl is missing and is probably not alive any longer, but to boycot a country for that seems pretty dramatic. More tourists killed in the US every single day than that one time in Aruba. Get a grip.

    175. Pearl on May 21st, 2007 8:24 am

      Barbara, your mission should you choose to accept it is try to ponder WHY this one child continues to matter to all of us here.

      If you cannot find any reason in your heart as to WHY Natalee deserves to be returned to her loving family, and her homeland, then at the very least, please do not insult Miami’s best by comparing them to what took place under Van der Straaten in Aruba, unless of course you are part of the group deliberately trying to piss off the USA’s FBI.
      THEN…by all means, do continue to your hearts content, but bear in mind that with your words comes a chill that goes beyond that of an iceberg causing even the good people in Miami to require heavy duty longjohns when reading your commentary.

    176. disgustedmom on May 21st, 2007 9:47 am

      Barbara, I’ve read about how the US has more missing people/deaths/etc than Aruba argument ad nauseum. I’ve this to say…

      Bad things happen everywhere. If you should so choose to not go somewhere where these bad things happen, then fine. Don’t go. And should you wish to promote a boycott of such a place, that’s fine too. Do it. And let those who think Aruba should be boycotted do the same.

    177. disgustedmom on May 21st, 2007 10:40 am

      I don’t think what Dave saw -the vehicle and a couple people putting something into a trunk- had anything to do with finding Natalee because it didn’t happen the morning after she went missing. Too much time in between when she went missing and when Dave witnessed the event. That’s an attraction of the island, is it not? Don’t you think if a body had been lying there the scavenger birds would have been all over it so someone would have noticed it? Or does ARuba not have any scavenger birds? That doesn’t matter though, someone would still have found a body lying there.

      What if she had been buried under the sand so no one noticed her? I don’t think so because the wind whips the sand about too much. She could have been uncovered by nature itself. Too risky. Or at the very most any marker that may have been placed on her spot would have long been covered up by sand. I just don’t think finding a body buried in that sandy area would have been found days after Nat went missing. UNLESS…they were not ‘finding’ a body but attempting to ‘bury one there’ in order to ‘find her where the boys said they had been with her’ and they got caught by Dave and quickly put the body ‘back’ into their trunk.

      But you know, J2K lied about so much, why think this one thing about the Lighthouse trip is true? Is it because of the sharks being up there? The sharks Natalee was alleged to have wanted to see in the dark? Was it because Joran said Natalee wanted to see the lighthouse? Why would natalee want to see the lighthouse? What’s the big deal with the lighthouse to a young girl? Was it because Joran said Nat wanted to see the stars? Did she like astronomy? Well, I hear the south end of the island is best for star-gazing. It seems there are some constellations that can only be seen at their best on the southern end of the island, such as the Southern Cross and it’s partner The False Cross (neither of which can been seen in most of the USA, and certainly not in Alabama EVER). (you can visit home page to learn about this constellation group)

      So let’s go south for a minute….that area is closer to the countryside, the mines, the caves with the Indian drawings on them, the rock formations etc, and it is the area Joran mentions in his book where he played as a kid. And all were mentioned very early on by a psychic…well these things were described, not named particularly, such as she said she saw a cave with heiroglyphic type writing on them, but it was not heiroglyphics just premitive drawings like cavemen or early Indians made.

      If anything had happened to Natalee in J or J2K’s company, and because all the places they ‘say’ they were with her has turned up nothing, I would rather start thinking about the places they did NOT talk about being….and a place where Joran played as a kid and which coincidentally a psychic happened to mention 2 years ago long before Joran wrote in his book how he played there would be a great start.

      Speaking of…the ownerof that site has gone to great lengths to document timelines and official reports. He seems to be trying to help solve this case. It is the favorite site of Medleyrelay (she often co-admins there) who claims to have direct contact with the VDS family and often claims to pass on things to the board directly from them. Much can be gleened from that site, if you know what I mean.

    178. disgustedmom on May 21st, 2007 10:54 am

      This is perhaps silly, but I’ve always thought Medleyrelay’s username was interesting. A medley is a conglomeration of partialities, and relay speaks for itself. Her ‘name’ she says is Jan, which is absent a few letters from JorAN. Could be a coincidence, but that she claims to have contact with the VDSs and passes on things they say and is an avid and unrelenting Joran supporter…well…maybe there’s nothing to it and the universe has a sense of humor is all.

    179. Frank on May 21st, 2007 11:13 am

      #174 Barbara… anyone with just a little sense understands the big picture here. Sure, things happen in the US on a daily basis to residents as well as tourists. The BIG difference is in the US we do not work as hard as Aruba to cover up, destroy evidence and misdirect crime investigations.

      5 pounds of sugar being prepared for Barb.

    180. mary on May 21st, 2007 4:57 pm


    181. evilive on May 21st, 2007 5:29 pm

      Mary: from 152: I don’t know why you are upset.
      I said who went and what time they left the casino for C and C’s. Approximately 9:30PM. I did not mention what time they entered C and C’s.
      Please do not jump to conclusions. Let your eyes do the reading not your heart.

    182. mary on May 22nd, 2007 9:46 am

      I am not upset that comment you slipped in there indicated to me that you know Natalee I am hoping you are one of her friends.

    183. evilive on May 22nd, 2007 10:38 am

      Mary: no sorry to say; just some mutual acquaintences. I deal a lot with companies in Alabama, especially Birmingham: some customers in the area seem to know more than has been published.

    184. mary on May 22nd, 2007 11:20 am

      What do you know about that first poster that mentioned beth wanting Natalee to call her. I would thnk that was a lie but I have seen the poster.


      SM:   That first poster was created by none other than Julia Renfro – the wording on it was chosen by Julia Renfro.   Renfro has proven herself to be an enemy of Natalee’s family.   That’s what I know about that first poster (klaasend)

    185. mary on May 22nd, 2007 11:37 am

      Who knows about the case of the Kalpoes agianst Dr. Phil has been thrown out and the case of BETH AND DAVE agianst the Kalpoes.

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