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Why would Deepak Kalpoe tell his friend, John Charles Croes, that Natalee put her hands down his pants then tell ALE it was not true, that he said it because he was certain his phone and computer were being monitored? This chat conversation between John Charles Croes and Deepak Kalpoe took place moments after Deepak claims to have left Joran and Natalee on the beach. What does Deepak know to suspect surveillance on May 30, 2005?
Why would Satish Kalpoe ask “how the girl was doing“? Was there something wrong with Natalee when he last saw her? Is that why he’s asking how she’s doing?
(Hat tip: Klaas)
From the secretly recorded police car conversations between Joran, Deepak and Satish:
Deepak: They’re going to give you fifteen years if they find the girl.
Joran: For what? for what?
Deepak: That scholarship of yours. Byeeeeeeee. You can forget it.
Joran: Yeah, by who? By you, retard. You know well that you did bad, otherwise you wouldn’t lie.
Brothers: aaiaaieaaieeaiee!
Joran: I should have killed you, retard. Shut your trap
Police car transcript June 24, 2005:
Deepak Kalpoe June 13, 2005 statement:
Deepak Kalpoe June 29, 2005 statement:
Satish Kalpoe June 13, 2005 statement:
Posted May 7, 2007 by Scared Monkeys Aruba, Crime, Deepak Kalpoe, Missing Persons, Natalee Holloway | 82 comments |
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this seems to show that the K2′s were not there when she was killed
To your question as to what Deepak Kalpoe knows, I cans say the following: Everything!
SM ~ have lie dector tests been given to the 3 amigo’s???
this has CYA’s all over it ~
Deepak,
In my opinion, you are a slimy little worm.
How very interesting! This must be the REAL reason you had nightmares and visions for so long?! Forget blaming others for your need of therapy. Maybe you should have come completely clean when you were asked to. Is this why you wouldn’t? Is this why you say you don’t recall conversations between you and the Sloots except no body no case? We all lie, even big people, HUH? That book written yet, smart one?
May God have mercy on you!
#1 Of course the Kalpoe’s were not there when she was killed. The Kalpoe statements or witness statements tend to show that they were involved in the kidnap, drugging, and raping of Natalee and that she was coming in and out of consciousness.
The gravity of the situation became evident and Joran called papa. Papa chose the path of hiding her first and then “disappearing” her…no body, no crime.
PAULUS IS YOUR PERP.
Let’s go Dutch investigators….are you participating in the cover-up??? Or are you going to take the appropriate actions to bring Paulus in for 15 years?
md
If this is enough to get these scum bags back into jail I dont know what is, It is disgusting they have got away with this despite all the evidence…If this was an aruban girl in the same situation in the usa,there would have been arrests by now…What I cant understand is why the two brothers dont speak out?&Implicate Joran,? It is clear Joran&his father are the main suspects here.
Satish, why were you asking about Natalee’s condition? What made you think anything was WRONG?
ALE Clowns, Why didn’t you follow up and ask Satish WHAT he was talking about?
MD Dad,
Why don’t you e-mail Jossy regarding the need to retract Janssen’s letter.
He might at least mention it — as in,
“Why did Karin Janssen write a letter…”
I never said they didn’t rape,drug and kidnap her,I think guido and joran killed her.I think paulus helped hide her,because the k2′s would have talked.Book them Dano
Cara #7,
The problem that exists for Aruba at this point in time is that this is not as simple as bringing in Paulus and his spawn.
The traditional Caribbean playbook for murders/assaults on tourists has been to disappear the person. This protects tourism. The decision is not one made by a Paulus or Joran, but made by law enforcement or those acting under the color of law in order to make sure that a black eye does not hit their tourism.
On June 10th, 2005….the decision was made by some ‘higher ups’ in the justice and law enforcement departments to cover-up the crime rather than have the truth come out.
What Aruba did not bargain for is the age of the Internet. In the past, they could control the media. Today, they are screwed. If the Dutch investigators decide to play along with the cover-up game, you will see websites and blogs posted everywhere warning everyone of the predators on the island…and that the predators are protected by the Aruban government and even the Dutch government.
You will “Google” Aruba and instead of finding a glitzy “one happy island” website, you will find the truth — everywhere.
This is why, even though this will probably bring down the Aruban government, it is critical for the Dutch to finish this case and let the Holloway family know exactly what took place — even if judges, law enforcement, and elected officials go down.
If anything positive comes out of this experience for Caribbean countries that in the past would have executed the “cover-up and this will go away in three weeks” plan, is that these countries now understand….the message has been sent….if an American tourist is a victim of crime on your little piece of paradise you best get the predators, come clean with the story, and prosecute to the maximum. Americans will accept this and your tourism will not be destroyed as Aruba’s has and will continue to be destroyed into the future.
Though the boycott is definitely working…what will be even more painful for Aruba are the dozens, possibly hundreds of websites/blogs trumpeting that it is a crime hub with too many predators for you to be safe….the Internet will prove to be way, way more effective than the boycott.
md
#9 J4N,
I believe Jossy reads here, I believe the Holloway/Twitty families read here, I believe ALE reads here, I believe even the Dutch investigators read here, I believe that AHATA reads here, I even believe the predators themselves read here.
I believe by now that everyone of the above understand that Paulus was the clean-up guy for the mess the predators created. I believe that everyone of the above know fully the steps Paulus took to avoid being investigated, as well as the favors he received from his friends in high places to assure that he was removed from this crime.
The letter from Karin Janssen is a complete joke. The two black guys didn’t get it…nor did the predators. NO ATTORNEY WITH DECENT TRAINING WOULD PROVIDE A LETTER UNCONDITIONALLY REMOVING SOMEONE AS A SUSPECT. It was that letter that was used to add a legal layer to the onion by having Paulus’ black robed buddy write an order removing him as a suspect. As we have now seen with the recent reversal — Paulus was hitting on NH early in the night, and Paulus supposedly ‘picked her up’ at 4:00am. The truth is out….Paulus is more than a suspect.
I again will state — you will notice the Aruba/Joran shills will come here and distract with lame arguments about no evidence….but they will not touch the issue of Paulus and him being removed from this case through completely “conflicted interest” plays.
So Jossy, or any other Aruban paper….when do we start questioning why Karin Janssen wrote that letter and why it hasn’t been retracted after the most recent ruling showing there definitely was evidence against Paulus?
Again…this case will not be solved until Paulus is hauled back in….How ’bout it Dutch investigators…are you there for suntans…or for justice?
md
One more thing for the Dutch investigators:
Step One of investigation: Establish timelines for all of the suspects.
Why hasn’t Paulus’ timeline been developed??? Why wasn’t Paulus even questioned about his timeline for the evening??? Why do virtually all of the witness/suspect statements AVOID developing complete timelines for the evening??? Why do text message and Internet activity completely conflict with timelines???
Why, after two years has nobody done step one for investigating a crime: Establishing timelines for ALL of the suspects.
Time to bring in Paulus Dutch Investigators….he seems to have a very, very incomplete timeline for the evening.
md
Enuff BS, haul them all in and start again, reviewing the statments, and have someone with some teeth to do the re-investigation. This should be grounds for the Twittys and Holloways to file suit against Aruba for either covering up the crime or harbouring criminals. This is total BS.
Barney Fife could have solved this crime. Aruba has a total lack of repect for life, there in the Boycott should continue and heat up.
JusticeforNatalee. I agree with you that Jossy should be writing about the letter Karin Janssen wrote. And questioning why she wrote it. I think I read here that Jossy named Karin Janssen person of the year in Aruba. Or something to that effect? Would that be a reason why we may not see him questioning her letter? Has he ever asked in the paper why the suspects and Croes aren’t in jail for lying as witnesses. I know Jossy says the right things on American TV. But does he do the same in his paper??? Does or has he question the timeline in his paper? Now would be a good time especially since the dutch are there investigating???
Pretty obvious Satish was most afraid and the only one with any form/fashion of a conscious after the fact. (AFTER the fact I said..not during when it’s all “fun and games”..ONLY after he saw the disaster caused and the effect it would have on himself. He is/was scared out of his wits.)
He still participated I am certain, but did not wish to see Nat harmed to the point of death. I believe he and big bro hauled butt as soon as Paulus was involved/contacted. They were most likely directed to get the hell out of there. Paulus, Joran, and at least one other person finished cleaning up the evidence.
Sadly, Joran would not have been one to at least stay with Nat while she expired for the overdose they mistakenly gave her. Left her to die alone no doubt until daddy could get his strings pulled. I say THIS is where the “I left her on the beach” part came in. He left her on the rocks making it look like an “accident”, but daddy knew that wasn’t good enough! More must be done. they had to retrieve her and then…no need to say what we all know.
Sad. Since everyone knows WHAT happened…hopefully it can be drilled into the minds of the authorities in Aruba it’s long past time to do something about it.
Brenda
If any of these freaks were not willing participants they would have come forward. They can not tell because they were involved in ways that would do more self harm (jail time) than they admitted to.
What needs to be done is to get Michael Dompig tell what he knows and told his dad.
whats worse LIERUBA..us thinking that all the DIRTY PAPAS of the pimps were involved or just their sons? Come clean….you only have a few more days. We will travel to every freakin travel show, makes no differnce if you are there or not. We will really turn up the BOYCOTT so get with it. You think we are playing….WE ARE NOT.
This is sorta disgusting, but I think it is worth mentioning.
Joran’s belt. Where was this found…on the beach? If so, I have a not so nice theory as to why.
I think he used it for the same thing both my husband and I have used them for in the woods. Pulling something along…in our case dead deer that have been shot during hunting season. Sorry. Told you is was nasty, but if the deer runs off and cannot be found right away, you go back later and track it. Twice we were so far downhill we needed more than one rope to pull, so we used a belt around it for added pulling power. I think he used that belt to help drag Nat to that spot on the beach. Why else would his belt be there if he and fiend/friends attacked her in Slootville? Especially if he or she were wet. I mean, if he was sweaty his hands would continue to slip. An overdose victim can tend to sweat as well…so put 2 and 2 together.
I think this is plausible, but not a nice picture at all. would rather all of this story was wrong from the beginning and Nat was at home….
Brenda
Most of the blogs that do deal with this case point out the dangers of Aruba tourism. We have to continue taking active measures to keep this case in the public eye, and to emphasize our slogan:
No justice for Natalee … no tourists for Aruba.
Aruba Tourism Authority will be appearing at more travel shows in the U.S. They were confronted in Boston, they were confronted in Miami … let’s keep the movement going.
Let’s make sure that everywhere they dare appear, people like us will be reminding the world about Natalee.
Not everyone reads blogs. Most people watch TV and read the press. Let’s keep the protests going.
Oh..if anyone thought I was saying Satish wasn’t a willing participant, that’s not so. He was ready and willing, just too much in need of being one of Joran’s puppets…so now that he feels badly, it’s WAY to freaking late!!!
He’s guilty too, but the one I think MAY crack under pressure.
Brenda
Minnesota Dad:
I believe the K2′s were there when Natalle passed on.
I just don’t believe they know what happened to her afterwards.
I respect your opinions; give me your thougts….
Joran continues to spin lies.
He doesn’t even know Natalee but she asks him to come to C and C’s and when he shows up 2 ½ hours after her she greets him with: Joran come come dance with me and he takes jelly shots off her navel. Did anyone see you do that? NO.
I really liked Ruth McVay MORE because she was prettier, yes but your father liked Natalee better. Or did you tell your father you tried to accost Natalee on previous nights and she threatened to report you to the police? IN THE CASINO YOU ARE SITTING NEXT TO RUTH AND DON’T EVEN LOOK AT HER OR GIVE HER THE TIME OF DAY. WERE YOU BASHFUL: NOT. Why? However the male sitting next to Natalee has apparently said something to Natalee that has surprised her. You can tell by her body language she is taken back. Did he say we are going to get you for what you threatened to do and report my son to the police?
How about the male sitting next to Natalee stalks her all the way to C and C’s?
At around 11:00PM, Ruth, Lee and Madison return to the HI but leave Natalee behind.
That person, takes advantage of the situation and calls you to get prepared to get another drugged female tourist for your Shark Fest. You get to C and C’s around 12:00 and do your thing and get Natalee. How? See my post on how Joran gets Natalee.
The male leaves about 30 minutes after you arrive and goes home to wait.
He gets the call that you hit the jackpot and are on the way home.
PVDS and Karin Janssen both worked in the Prosecution Office. IMO they had an affair and PVDS broke it off or she found out how PVDS was a womanizer. Hell has no fury as a woman scorned. She knows what happened to Natalee and issues a search warrant for the whole PVDS property around 6/13/05. By this time other officials and judges know what has happened to Natalee and restrict the search only to Joran’s apartment and confiscate PVDS’s cars to make sure there is no evidence linking him to Natalee.
It is confirmed: Natalee is dead and one of the suspects is leading police to her body.
This I believe was 6/10/05. Then all of a sudden the story disappears and every was WRONG!!!.
The police question PVDS and he tries to make an alibi for himself and Joran by stating he picked up Joran at 4:00 AM at the McDonalds. There is more than one but we can assume it is the one closest to the Allegro on Palm Beach. He tries to distance himself and Joran far away from 19 Montana. But then he changes his declaration to I picked up Joran and Natalee at McDonalds around 11:00PM.
This makes no sense. By Joran’s declaration he is home with probably Freddie and Koen.
We don’t know where Paulus is. Deepak and Satish are supposed to be at home.
We know that Natalee’s friends have left C and C’s and Natalee was there at 11:00 PM. PVDS gets arrested on 6/23/05. But the police do not pick him up; he is permitted to drive himself to the police station. Could it be that Jan VDS tells him the whole thing is going to explode in our faces. We have to bring you in to make it look good and put our heads together and stall the investigation until they forget Natalee Ann Holloway .
Hey Tied and Gabriel and Amsterdam Law and Bluesky how close are WE getting to the truth? And you people defend him… Shame on you. If we believed his lies, shame on us.
How does Joran explain this in his book?
Boycott plus Internet plus TV= whole new wave of bad publicity for Aruba if the perps go free
By the way that could not be Natalee on the bar with maybe Joran taking his infamous jelly or jello or
whatever shots they were off her.
First there is no birthmark visible on that right arm. Second: That appears to be Lee standing there and she left at 11:00.
Third: Joran did not get there until around 12:00.
#7
You mean all murders in the USA are solved quickly?
I reccommend that you research the Chandra Levy case. More whodunit than this case could ever had.
BTW, has anyone been identified as a suspect, much less arrested, in the Levy case?
Reckon it is easy to sling mud at other countries when one ignores the crap on our own stoop.
yeah, K2s had to know Nat was in distress. No other reason Satish would ask “how is the girl”. Still, I am convinced as most of you Joran and pops were the “main offenders” and pops masterminded the evidence away from baby-boy.
As we can see in the text of their conversation, Joran not only turns on the K2s but calls them names that portray Joran as one who feels superior(as if he ever really looked to them as friends or equals). Actually mentioned he “should have killed” the one brother. If Joran would say such a thing so matter-o-factly to an aquaintence well known on the island, how much less concern he must have for a female tourist he takes advantage of that NO ONE on the island knows or will ever remember (or so he thought!).
K2s fear the power pappa possesses and realize the depth of the deception. The see what he’s willing to do in order to protect his filthy seed, so (no doubt) the infamous Ks2 now feel they would certainly be left holding the bag if they come forward now or ever. Can’t say I feel sorry for them….
Brenda
And Joran lied right to interviewer Chris Cuomo’s face when Chris asked if Joran saw Natalee in any kind of distress.
Sure we believe you, Joran, NOT!
Someone will most likely take
these POS out sooner or later, huh?
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ARUBA’S SEXUAL PREDATORY 4
Paulus, Joran, Deepak and Satish.
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Oh Well, those green bananas can
relly be a mother.
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Justice 4 Natalee!
BOYCOTT ARUBA
http://tinyurl.com/3875t8
http://tinyurl.com/ywf633
http://tinyurl.com/369rql
-J4N
Find her, let’s bring her home.
NAT
http://tinyurl.com/2urbyl
1006,
I see no flaws in your story. However, I doubt that Paulus threatened Natalee at the card table (if that is what you are implying).
My thoughts are he was a creepy old dude trying to hit on 18 year olds and that explains the body language (which definitely looks like she is creeped out by Paulus). His creepiness was more than enough to create the reaction that she was showing….not a threat for prior conflicts with the predator.
The rest of your take on things comes down to this simple fact: THERE IS NO VIABLE TIMELINE FOR PAULUS AND HIS WHEREABOUTS FOR THAT EVENING.
MD
hey 25,
nope was not talking about the levy case,or mud slinging!!just using my freedom of speech to state my opinion..which remains the same,If this had been a missing aruban girl in the usa I dont think the slime balls that remain free in this case would be free…which points to the facts,not my opinion facts….that there has been continues to be a huge cover up…am not saying the usa is perfect,but hey that was not the point of my post…lets focus on the goal justice for a girl missing on her senior trip….thanks Cara
Now what does everybody want the ALE to do? Can they come forward and say they had evidence all along, with a confession, but didn’t want to arrest a Dutch murdering pervert and ruin happy island tourism!
The Dutch cops should have made a play by now if they were going too. What is their hold up? Where is Bacchus and his Aruba paycheck?
Very telling to me when Joran says, I should’ve killed you, not should. He’s upset that Deepak is telling him the truth, but says should’ve past tense. Should’ve killed him the night Natalee was with them? or When?
Deepak: They’re going to give you fifteen years if they find the girl.
Joran: For what? for what?
Deepak: That scholarship of yours. Byeeeeeeee. You can forget it.
Joran: Yeah, by who? By you, retard. You know well that you did bad, otherwise you wouldn’t lie.
Brothers: aaiaaieaaieeaiee!
Joran: I should have killed you, retard. Shut your trap
Hey Maggie!
I’ve been thinking that too, this is the first time(that we know of) that these three have been in eachother’s presence since the day of their arrest’s.
Jurine is the one with anger management problems and how he deals with the people in his life when he doesn’t get his way. Jurine is the bloodthirsty one talking about killing, threatening in this conversation.
Dompig speculates the body was hastily buried once, and that those extra accomplices may have been needed to move it to a more hidden location.
These latest developments, the new witness, the chance of an accidental death by overdose, and the possibility of additional accomplices re-locating the body, have changed Dompig’s view of the case.
“I’m convinced that there’s no thing as a crime of this proportion, which goes unseen. There’s the information on there. And we just have to get it,” he says.
But the challenges are daunting: So far, there has not been a shred of forensic evidence found in the van der Sloot house, the Kalpoe car, or anywhere else on the island.
“It’s very rarely that you have a case that somebody just disappears and there’s hardly any evidence left behind,” says Shipper.
Notice Arlene says “Hardly any” which implies something or am I reading too much into it. Did I miss something? Kind of contradicts Dompig’s statement. Maybe we ahould ask the new police chief here:::
http://www.kparuba.com/index.html
http://www.ipa-aruba.org/
Good work Scared Monkeys! I never caught that in the statements before but it’s right on and really messes up the Kalpoes claim that they did nothing, know nothing. I think those that suppose the Kalpoe’s were sent home are right on.
Something bad happened to Natalee, the boys called Paulus and it was determined the Kalpoe brothers had to get the heck out of dodge 1) because didn’t want Mama Kalpoe catching them out so late; 2)they could create an alibi for themselves and Joran with the computer crap.
Minnesota Dad Thanks; then I’ll stick with PVDS stalking the MBHS students and calling Joran to get over to C and C’s. I believe PVDS says he was home around 12:00.
There are gaps between 9:30 to about 11:00 and from about 1:00am until… Joran says he did not take Natalee into his house because his father was sleeping.(?)That would be about 1:20AM.NOT.
You speak of hundreds of references to Natalee.
Google states 889,000 references.
Yahoo States 1,970,000 references.
Theses references stay out on the internet for a long, long time. Longer then Aruba tourism has time to recover.
Could the hardly that Arlene references be Natalee’s undergarments or perhaps what was on Anita’s camera?
#26 do you know who were the last people seen with Chandra Levy? Have at least one confessed and then the confession retracted? Have the people last seen with her (and BTW, she was not seen with anyone) lied and lied and lied some more to police and investigators? Are you aware of the investigators throwing away evidence? Is everyone on the investigative team in the Chandra Levy case related to the the suspects in one way or another?
See, you love to come here and throw around allegations and smoke screens, but they simply aren’t well thought out.
I swear to you – had these criminals committed the same crime in the US and reacted the same way, they would serving hard time right now.
#38
Now, that was funny! Me throwing around allegations and smoke screens!
That was a good one. And funny at that
#39 Well..if you aren’t throwing around smoke screens, then you are spreading around the C**P you should have scraped off the bottom of your 2Shues!
Joran, Deepak, Satish it’s time to pay the piper.
Pay the Piper, as in: to accept the unpleasant results of something you have done
3/2006 GRETA FOX NEWS
Joran basically calls D & S Natalee’s murderers here.
Great friend! I hope they are paying you enough
guys.
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3/2006 GRETA FOX NEWS
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Joran van der Sloot: I mean at one point I even told the police that Deepak and Satish had dropped me off at my… at my house and that they are the… and they left with Natalee alone.
Interviewer: That was false, right?
Joran van der Sloot: Yes, of course
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OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE! log # 1,212,336
Here is something I don’t get… Paulus and Joran
were 90 percent of this crime against Natalee,
with Joran’s dad being the disgusting pig
pervert that he is.
Paulus killed her, by pulling the trigger, after she
fell trying to run for her life.
She received a horrible head wound trying to run
away. IMO
Deepak and Satish are definitely not angels,
…but they were used throughout this like cheap
Van der sloot PAPER napkins.
what UPPP?
???
Why
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It sure ain’t because they are nice people. We
can strike that line out right off the bat!!!!
The Van der sloots are scum of the Earth.
The Aruban Black Plague, if you will.
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Justice 4 Natalee!
She is in the bag
She is in the bag
She is in the bag
Get another opinion
Get another opinion
Get another opinion
She is in the #24
Marriott Basin Bag
Video
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Some awful sub-human shot her in the
center of her forehead. I highly suspect
Captain Impotence:
Paulus “I’m A Flaming Tool Bag” Van der sloot.
She’s on VIDEO #24
Where I keep drawing all
these images from.
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http://tinyurl.com/jljbv
-j4n
Natalee didn’t deserve this Deepak…
You like to hurt people….girls Deepak?
Hey Carpe!
You’ve got mail coming friend……i also think that Natalee was shot in the forehead. We both see it and if her remains (skull) are located there’d be no question. I’d bet it all on that evidence if i were a gambler.
That shot is up close and personal.
She’s not running at all when that happened.
If she were in a coma the killer would more likely shot to the back of the head if they thought she was in a coma.
I can’t just end on those awful Marriott
Basin pics…
I have to post a positive pic from her happier times, to
balance everything out.
BTW- I don’t think Nat ever took a bad picture
in her life! All of her pics turn
out to be good ones.
-j4n
She is loved!
http://tinyurl.com/2nmcgh
Bring her home KLPD, please.
Not wanting to look at her face IF her death were not intended.
But a shot between the eyes of a lovely young Natalee as if she’d not been through enough at these punks (and i’m including you too Paul) hands, a shot like this is so brutal and upclose and they walk free on Aruba still.
I’m not closing my mind to any option in this whole sordid saga except that I reject out of hand the notion that Natalee willingly vanished, any more than Amy Bradley did.
And yes, I’m specifically not ruling out the idea that the Pimps, Joran, Paulus or whoever decided to get Natalee out of the way by handing her over to someone who promised that she would not be heard from again. You take my meaning.
Two years later, no sign of Natalee on the island. That’s a fact. For the rest, we are all theorizing, which is fine.
Let’s just not trample on each other’s ideas. The main point (I think, anyway) is to continue doing what we can to seek answers, and to discourage people from going to Aruba.
I also think it very possible that Natalee was held captive somewhere on Aruba, or on someone’s boat, for a few days while her captors decided what to do with her. If they concluded that the publicity made her too much of a risk … a forced overdose of heroin is an easy way to get rid of someone, assuming you have the drug and know enough about it. I’m sure that if she were held captive, which is no more than a theory, one of the scum would know what to do.
More and more delight over scaredmonkeys. Really happy. Happy that a rich millionairs doughter is no longer in the spotlights of the scared monkeys.
i heard that deepak sended an sms to joran the other day, proclaiming, Aruba is a holliday paradise !!
How’s the girl doing? That’s the question the Klaphoes asked. That would lead to think that they called Paulus as Natalee was passed out, maybe not breathing, and Paulus refusing to get Natalee medical help let her die or worse.
Remember someone went on the computer to search alchol and drugs?
Paulus Man Up
Gosh! You are all such brilliant detectives! Anything solved yet?
By the way, I bought the book Joran wrote. It is very interesting. He is definitely a pathological liar. He and/or the Kalpoe brothers saw her last. They were arrested to late. They lied.
However, I’m still waiting for the REAL EVIDENCE.
So not the opinion of Nancy Grace or the analysis of Dr Phil but direct evidence that proves beyond any doubt that Joran/Satish/Deepak/Paul had anything to do with her disappearance and that they, or one of them kidnapped/raped/killed her.
You all know what I mean: uncircumstantial evidence based on which people can be convicted by the court of law.
25. This isn’t a case of solving a crime. They’ve got the perps. They know they did it. But friends of Paulus and other dirty hands in Aruba covered it up. That’s the difference. Let’s hope the NFI investigators who are sifting through the Aruban rubble and can prove what we know happened. If this WAS in the U.S. and the son of a Judge (substitute or not) was handed a botched investigation and get out of jail free card, the media and citizens would be crying foul. In Aruba, they were told to not speak of it and they obeyed.
ok..I know someone through work that is close to Nat’s family. Never met her face to face, but we speak often over the phone and she confirmed for me that the #1 scenario for the family is rape-drug overdose re: cause of death. At LEAST 4 persons are KNOWN to be directly involved (paulus, demon seed, and the K2s). Of course, maybe plenty more.
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Here is my theory after all this time and I am sticking to mine as well until we learn otherwise. The gunshot idea is way out there. NO WAY because a gunshot would have been heard on a small island as sound over water tends to reverberate. How could Nat have run if passed out? COME ON…think about it? Anyway…below…
1. Nat is slipped a date-rape drug soon before leaving CCs that fateful night.
2. All three boys took advantage of her in Joran’s apt. (Probably NOT in the main house and I’ll explain why.)
3. Nat did not “come around” in the normal time-span Joran’s victims typically do.
4. Boys panic and come up with their own plan (plan #1). At this point they do NOT want daddy to know about this. Nat is still alive.
5. They put Nat in Deepak’s car and the three boys drive her to the beach near the rocks to drop her off in the hopes she will wake in the morning and not remember anything.
6. I believe Nat transpired during that ride, or it was evident she was going downhill quickly by the time they reached the beach. (Medical attention is not possible in Joran’s mind since date-rape drugs WILL be found in Nat.)
7. At this point during failed plan #1, one of these situations had to have happened:
A) K2s drop Joran and a dying or dead Nat at the beach and drive away upon Joran’s instruction at which point he calls daddy who comes to pick up the shoeless idiot. (I believe those shoes fell off while he climbed over the rocks in a panicked state….also believe if Nat had already expired, he used that belt to help him pull her along. Sorry, that’s gross but I think it’s true.)
B) Deepak helps Joran drag Nat over the rocks towards the beach to make it appears as if she “fell” after which they call daddy who tells K2s to get the hell out of there and that he’ll pick up the demon seed himself.
8. I think at this point, since daddy is now aware, he instructs K2s to wash out their car thoroughly as Nat was in the backseat. (Why else would they do so? Think they’d actually come up with that thought themselves??? NOT!)
9. Paulus tells Joran to “act normal” and Joran goes to school the next day as if it were simply another day in his miserable paradise.
I feel Paulus was aware of the boy’s activity with young girls. He is simply there to be sure nothing goes “wrong” while his fowl seed seeks his prey. Even if he did participate in the “rape”…he could NOT have known she was in distress. That is something the boys wanted to hide from him. Had Paulus been aware they were trying to hide this from the beginning, he would certainly of handled things MUCH differently….no need for reburial or removing her or whatever. He’d have had her out to sea that night, period.
Paulus simply had more cleanup now since boys tried to assert plan #1 and (obviously) left…well…evidence.
Brenda
Another Deepak question for everyone. Deepak says that he was cleaning out his car because there were ants in it. He and his mother told us he’s meticulous about his car. Aruban authorities tell us that what Aruban police and FBI initially thought was blood in Deepak’s car was actually chocolate and cleaning fluid. Deepak has been silent on this. The chocolate. He never ever commented on the occasion when chocolate was spilled in his car. I hope the NFI is looking closely at the sample that showed chocolate and cleaning fluid. Closely enough to determine if it actually came from Deepak’s car. If anyone has listened to the entire Skeeter’s tape of Deepak, let us know if he was asked about his or commented on it.
Brenda,
Some I agree, some I don’t.
1) She perished in Casa de Van Der Sloot. I believe that the gang rape was carried on possibly poolside or even in Casa de Van Der Sloot – thus, the amending of the search warrant to only the predator’s living quarters — which, they were fully aware they would find nothing. When you combine the cover-up of the crime scene with the repeated attempts to distance Paulus from this case from – ALE, the judicial branch, Karin Janssen, and even the AHATA shills that post on this and other websites….it is pretty clear that keeping the focus on the boys assures this crime will never be solved.
This also explains the blood soaked mattress and the furniture truck making deliveries (or removing critical items) from casa de Van Der Sloot while the investigation was continuing and Paulus was still a suspect.
2) The belt — this may be a red herring. A kid of Joran’s size 6’2″ plus could pick up a gal of Natalee’s size and carry her like a sack of potatoes (My 5’8″ 8th grader can pick up my 110 pound wife without difficulty — Joran would have had no problem carrying her).
I believe this caper has been made much more confusing due to the lies that have been intentionally planted to make the case hard to figure out (this has been intentional). I think it is pretty simple….
The Drugging took place at C&C.
The kidnapping took place at C&C and continued to #19 Montana.
The rape took place at #19 Montana.
The trauma, whether it was Guido’s heavy battery, or Natalee taking a bad fall trying to escape took place at #19 Montana.
The ultimate demise of NH took place at #19 Montana.
I highly doubt JVDS left #19 Montana after returning from C&C to carry out the assault with the pimps. The 4am timeline of Paulus hanging out at McDonald’s does not fit with Joran surfing Internet porn….unless someone else was using his account (Koen, Freddie, etc.) that evening while waiting for Paulus and Joran to return.
At 4am, Paulus and Joran are out figuring out what to do with the body and coming up with stories. Think about it…no one even can get the story straight as to how JVDS got back from the beach…Deepak drove him, Satish drove, he walked…..The fact, which is on the record, is that Paulus was out with Joran and a deceased Natalee Holloway at 4 am in the morning.
They were never at the beach, they were never at the lighthouse, never at the rocks on that evening. She perished at the main compound of Casa de Van Der Sloot that evening.She was passed on by Paulus and Joran, after visiting the ATM, to someone who could take care of her. She was buried and moved several times to where she ultimately would be publicly found at the rocks on June 10th, 2005.
The belt, the size 14 shoes, etc. were all planted in those places as attempts to show that the boys were where they said they were…and to divert from #19 Montana and the crimes that occured there in the early morning of May 30th, 2005.
Case closed:
Paulus, at #19 Montana….Keep it simple and ignore the diversions….these guys aren’t that smart. Paulus is your perp.
md
#52 Amster Hamster
Maybe you should be more concerned with how quickly the cover up was set into motion.
A final note as to why this happened at #19 Montana.
One has to understand the mindset of criminal defense attorneys or litigators who represent defendents in a case.
The whole strategy of these folks is to create diversions, lies, half truths, etc. in order to muddy the waters as much as possible to make it difficult to get to a final story.
Paulus is one of these slimeballs and to give him credit, he has executed quite well (with the help of course of his friends in high places).
The belt, the size 14 shoes, etc. are all done to “muddy the waters”. Make sure no one can pull together a complete story.
This is what happens when a defense attorney, Paulus, is involved in the murder/death of an American tourist. Rather than having a conscious that kicks in to do the right thing….the mind quickly shifts to strategizing how to muddy the waters.
Sorry Paulus….Minnesota Dad understands folks like you just too well and how you operate. So how deep was your participation with the pimps that night at #19 Montana?
md
P.S. Amster,
Don’t even try to spin that just simple “mistakes” were made by ALE.
Gabe Leo tried that explanation and got blown off the board.
ALE arrested two security guards, knowing full well that Joran and the Kalpoes had lied about dropping off Natalee at the Holiday Inn.
No police force, not even ALE, is that stupid.
COVERUP COVERUP COVERUP
Well Minnesota, maybe you are right, but I think you are putting WAY too much into what happened as most folks do.
I am not ready to believe Paulus did anything physically with Nat just because everyone seems to want him to have done so. I think he willingly let the boys do as they please and had no issue with it at all…there personal coverup EVERY time.
I was not only in law enforcement myself in the past, but honestly speak with a woman whose son is good friends with Nat’s brother. The family is 100% certain death by date-rape drug..NOT from her being beaten up. Heavy battery can mean the fact drugs were forced on her AND/OR the rape. It is called different things in different places. This aquaintance is careful how they word things and what they tell me…not as if they spill their guts. This is an ongoing “investigation”.
I also know our FBI saw first-hand that evidence DID exist which has been sent to Holland and seems to have disappeared.
Maybe, yes maybe the rape occured in Paulus’ house, but I think not. If anything Joran brought her over once the 3 realized Nat was in bad shape and laid her in a bed over there while they pondered what to do (or what not to do for her in this case). Paulus maybe did send them to put her someplace so he could gather his thoughts and contact whoever to get the ball rolling in their favor.
As for Joran having no problems carrying Nat, you are niave I hate to say. You actually believe he carried her over the rocks to make it look as if she fell as if he was holding a cell phone? YOU try to walk and balance over those rocks without even carrying anything. Am sure it couldn’t be done. As I mentioned with the deer…it is dead weight and not easy to manage. Takes BOTH my husband and I to drag one only 140 pounds or so from the woods if anything other than flat ground is to be traversed.
I think they looked for her there because someone knew she was placed their originally and since she was already removed…nothing but a couple of shoes, maybe some blood, and that’s about that.
I only hope we learn she was unconscious from the beginning of the attack and never woke up to know what was happening. THAT IS MY HOPE. What happened after that, the world may never know for 100% certain. We do know who was with her last, and that in itself speaks volumes.
Brenda
Premeditated and HEAVY BATTERY
Brenda…
I have canoed the boundary waters canoe area of Minnesota-Canada. The US portages are nicely groomed, the Canadian aren’t. My build is not too different than Joran’s.
I can assure you, I have carried a 60 pound Duluth pack and a canoe at the same time over rocky portages that are more difficult than anything they could encounter on Aruba.
The belt is a red herring to show they actually “went to the lighthouse to look at sharks”. The size 14 shoes are to show that Joran was “on the beach” with Natalee that evening “making love” for three hours. THEY WERE NEVER THERE.
Sorry….ain’t buying what Aruba/Paulus are selling. md
Miss UE…thx for letting me know that.
Dear MN…Glad you aren’t buying what they say because no one on this board does. I am no closer to being 100% right than you or anyone else other than those who KNOW the truth. Sad thing is, they have no care to tell it.
Also, your little 60 pound backpack is only about 1/2 the weight and 1/4 – 1/3 the size of Nat’s body. I grew up in Tampa and my fav beach requires one walk over about 1/2 mile of rocks and it isn’t easy even with nothing to carry at all!
Finally, if none of the boys or nat were ever at the lighthouse in the rocks, explain why the hell Monkeys (some point way back) had a picture of Paulus in the passenger seat of a car observing the “work” being done? I can tell you why..making sure all evidence was cleaned up.
Until you or anyone else can prove otherwise, that’s my theory. As if we ALL don’t have one of our own :>)
We can be armchair detectives forever and that’s all we’ll be until those who KNOW the truth either come forward, or someone rats on them with evidence to prove.
Brenda
P.S. I still have hopes Satish is so chicken he will bend first. Have my doubts, but he’s the only one scared enough IMO. The others could not care less. Glorified Scott Peterson types….it’s all about them and they are justified in their own minds to excuse their actions.
Satish is the least of the followers. As you remember, Deepak did not want his little brother involved. This shows me Deepak had intent before hand, Satish just tags along picking up scraps.
60- Paulus gathering his thoughts?
ROFLMAO That should take all of about 1 minute, huh?
Any word on the investigation of the investigation?
54- The gunshot idea is way out there. NO WAY because a gunshot would have been heard on a small island as sound over water tends to reverberate.
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LOL
You should try out for the Comedy Channel with that one!!!
Nobody gets shot in Aruba, shooting people just makes too much noise! ROFL
Heyyyy quiet down over there, Sporter.
The NOISE, it’s reverberatin’ It’s a school night, now you be a GOOOOD BOY!!!!
haaaaaaaa heh heh
Ohhh, I think I pulled something, I laughed my friggin nards off so hard…. -j4n
I AGREE WITH Richard and Brenda and Minnesota Dad.; et al. This is not a popularity contest and each of us has the opportunity to theorize what happened. This is good, it keeps us thinking.
I basically do not have many options remaining.
I can’t call Joran a murderer and rapist.
I can’t call Deepak and Satish a murderer and rapist.
I can’t call Paulus a murderer or a rapist.
Nor can I call Geoff, Guido, Koen, Michael, Freddie, or Steve Croes.
I have no proof.
What I do have is
All the red herrings that the ALE has presented.
They have the names of the three suspects that were the last to be seen with Natalee.
They have their multiple declarations of what they did with Natalee.
The three admitted to having sex with Natalee while she was coming in and out of consciousness. That is a punishable offense on Aruba.
The chief of police who without evidence; states that the three are guilty as hell. And also says that within 48 hours you will have interviewed the perpetrators. Then on the other hand without evidence or proof he contradicts himself and says: Natalee was on drugs and died from intoxicants and probably drowned.
The lead suspect says I took Natalee to my house but we did not go inside because my brothers and father were sleeping. Notice he doesn’t care about his mother.
( I said before this kid has an Oedipus complex)
We know his brothers and mother were in the Netherlands and his father had been at the casino; but no one is sure. But Koen and Freddie were there.
Joran really liked Ruth more, she was prettier than Natalee. Ruth is seated next to Joran at the casino and he doesn’t even giver her a second glance.
The person sitting to Natalee’s left at the casino says something to her that causes a reaction and defensive body language. (Some say it is Joran’s father.)
The prosecution office (Janssen) issues a search warrant for the complete Van der Sloot residence.
The judge who stayed at the Van der Sloots says it would be a conflict of interest and changes the search warrant to only Joran’s apartment.
When it is apparent that Joran may be implicated the then chief of police Van der Straaten says: How can I do this to my best friend’s son?
You have Geoff von Cromvoirt arrested as a suspect and through his lawyer says he does not know Joran or Natalee. He accosted Natalee at C and C’s on Friday May 27th., 2005 and almost caused a fight with the MBHS students. He hangs around at the HI so he must know Joran and Michael Dompig. They all try to pick up single female American tourists. You would be surprised what we can get the girls to do when we tell them we are police officers. Apparently impersonating a police officer is not a punishable offense on Aruba ?
Koen who stayed at the Van der Sloots the night Natalee disappears is rushed off to the Netherlands and his father will not permit the police to question him again.
Oh, OK we will not question Koen; Mr Gottenbos just because you say so; what a bunch of WOOSIES.
Guido Wever gets arrested on suspicion of heavy battery and his lawyer gets him released because he is an admitted homosexual. Here is a B. O. H. I. C. A. for you Guido.
Dave Holloway sees the police chief’s son Michael Dompig, attempting to hustle girls at the Holiday inn. Michael retreats as soon as Dave spots him.
These guys are so smart they border on stupidity.
Everything has led us away from 19 Montana.
The Arishi Beach, McDonalds, The fisherman’s huts, the sand dunes, the light house, the water the sea the ocean, where we can search, where we cannot search, the Lion’s den, the belt the plastic bag, etc. etc. etc.
The F16 flybys would only pick up Natalee buried is if she were the size of a submarine. Every time they say ocean, I’m skeptical: That is the Caribbean Sea and most would reference it as a sea.
The F16′s were on a mapping sorte; the Arubans/Dutch threw us B/S saying they would search for Natalee. Of course they found nothing. Oh well Natalee is not buried on Aruba, the planes didn’t find her. And that was the truth. Of course they didn’t find her those planes were not capable of finding a buried body.
What hurts me is our good old air force provided them with in flight refueling back to the Netherlands. Who paid for that? Us good old American taxpayers I’ll bet.
Turncoat Topogego says he will sue anyone that slanders his clients. Well Joe with the celebrity status of your clients, you have to prove the allegations false and how they harmed your clients. You don’t want them in court either as defendant nor plaintiff.
But on the other hand we would love to get them in a US court of law.
So I would say the score is Aruba -30; SM Posters +50. I was not for the boycott; but now I can say put the screws to that Island until we find out what happened to Natalee.
PS there is a difference between a boycott and a blockade;
some get the two confused.
Don’t forget the lying as witnesses to hinder the investigation. That to is punishable. The three punks and Steve Croes
so….Satish picked the sporter up didnt he? gee….how does that fit in with the Killpoes story that neither one did? Seems that someone has some ‘splaining’ to do….boys, hate to tell you this….there’s a cell in your future. get the trash bags ready.
To minnesota dad,
I’ve been to Ely (Charles L. Sommers) twice, once as a kid: and once on my second child hood with my son.
The first time I went (at 15), I weighed in at a whapping 125lbs, and was still able to portage an 18-foot alumicraft canoe over portages trails some of which were over 2 miles long.
I agree a kid like Joran would have no trouble portaging Natalee.
Jerry
I just want to get straight on something. Has the time period for the creeps to be suspects extended?
Hey Aruba your new national flower is forget me NOT.
That’s for Natalee….we will never forget……
Paulus MAN UP>>>>that’s what men do.
Michael Dompig tell what you know, do the right things, if there is such a thing in Aruba
FORGET ME……NOT
71:
Never “Freebird”
#52 – of course we don’t understand Aruban law (as Arlene would tell us) but people CAN and HAVE been convicted on circumstantial evidence alone.
You see circumstantial evidence comes with statistical possibilities. One or two circumstances and it’s well, circumstantial but as you start adding up all the circumstantial evidence there comes a time when what it all points to becomes overwhelming evidence.
In the case of joran van der snoot vs Natalee Holloway, the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming. And each and every time the psychopath opens his mouth, it becomes more and more overwhelming.
Comparisons-
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DAYS NATALEE HOLLOWAY
HAS BEEN MISSING OR DEAD
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Bring her home. -j4n
Hi Joran,
Bill Cosby stopped by to see you today,
while you were out to lunch.
He asked me to give this to you…
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-j4n
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Jerry,
Glad you made it up to Ely and the Boundary Waters – one of the USA’s hidden and unknown gems. I encourage everyone….rather than going to Aruba…come canoe on the Canadian border! One of the few places in the US where you literally canoe for several days and then realize….you are three days away from civilization and phones. You really are on your own.
As long as you can handle mosquitos at dusk and black flys biting your ankles while you paddle….there are few places I would rather be (Ok…hiking the Scottish Highlands or hiking the Swiss Alps/Murren are pretty neat too but it is cheaper to come to Minnesota!).
Spend your travel dollars on canoes and mosquito repellant in MN.
MD
Brenda (#54) … What you’re saying is my understanding also; the family are essentially convinced that Natalee is dead and that she died of the effects of a date-rape drug, combined with too much alcohol and the antihistamine she was taking at the time for some kind of cold.
(It’s gruesome to speak of, but if she were having trouble with clogged nasal passages, the idea that she choked to death owing to being gagged while unconscious might gain credence.)
But the issue is: are the family right? I don’t know, and none of us does. Some are more emphatic than others on setting forth a detailed chain of events.
As I said before, I’m not ruling out anything except that she vanished of her own free will. Few people are prepared to accept, even as a hypothesis, the idea that she was held for a few days and taken off the island. If I hadn’t been involved with the Amy Bradley case over the last five years, I might not be willing to consider that idea.
Nearly two years later, no sign of Natalee. That’s a fact.
Whether we think the Dutch team are dedicated or not, what really matters is: will they have any success? If not, and if their soil samples from the vdS compound turn up nothing, the mystery will remain.
Unless and until we get answers and confessions, and prosecution, conviction and sentences for anyone AND EVERYONE involved in Natalee’s disappearance … whatever the final explanation may be … let’s continue with the boycott Aruba campaign. No justice for Natalee … no tourists for Aruba.
@54
Are you kidding me?
you are all just speculating! Something happened to Natalee. That’s clear. But for crying out loud; where does the date rape drugs come from? There is no single clue whatsoever that (unvoluntarily) drugs were involved. Gun shots? Pulling Natalee along with a belt? Gang rape?
LOL
Please go focussing on the Aruban law enforcement again in stead of making up all sorts of theories.
I DO think that the Aruban authorities made (huge) mistakes however, I don’t believe in a cover up. Why would they do that? And no, it cannot be because of Paul van der Sloot. In general, Aruban people don’t particulary like the Dutch. Althoug the Aruban authorities may have been not really fond of Beth Twitty c.s., they certainly harrassed the whole Van der Sloot family, every friend/acquaintance of Joran and even arrested Paul van der Sloot just to put pressure on Joran.
The Dutch team is without a doubt dedicated to this case and has definitely no reason at all to frustrate (or cover up) the search.
Please stop writing CSI episodes.
#78 Amsterdam 020
Common sense tells us that when Paulus van der Sloot became aware of the circumstances, discovery of a body would have, without a doubt, proven a crime was committed by his son,(or by himself). From here we question what circumstances would deem that necessary. You can choose
1. NH was dead had bruisies not consistent with a fall and vander Sloot dna on her
2. NH was dead with traces of a drug in her system not consistent with a drug that is self ingested.
3.NH was alive and could testify herself that a van der Sloot had committed a crime.
Maybe you think it is number three instead.
To Amsterdam- Save your crap for people that care. The whole gov’t and police force in Aruba is corrupt. It’s a human cesspool of crap
Joran had the audacity to be high on drugs when questioned….then blamed his confession on the drugs..he’s a pathological liar…pure SCUM…and where does his Daddy fit in? That’s next…I’d bet he had plenty to do with it…My honeymoon was in Aruba 30 yrs. ago…I refuse to celebrate it there..STAY OUT OF ARUBA….
well ,since Natalee’s disappearance ,i saw all news ,so i can say Kalpoe brothers r innocent..