Jossy Mansur: “definitely convinced” answers will come as to what happened to Holloway.


Jossy Mansur is optimistic that answers will come in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Eventually over time the truth does come out. Joran, Deepak and Satish … don’t get too comfortable.

Mansur said he’s “definitely convinced” answers will come as to what happened to Holloway.
“There are sufficient declarations of the suspects themselves to the police that give me the indication, the strong indication, that it does have a solution. I mean, these guys have said many things to the police that should have been looked at further, but were not; they just lie there on paper,” he said. (NBC 13)

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    59 Responses to “Jossy Mansur: “definitely convinced” answers will come as to what happened to Holloway.”

    1. Lisa Ratcliff on May 4th, 2007 8:49 am

      The authorities need to drill and dig under the floor in the VDS house and in Joran’s apt. I belive they buried Natalee there.

    2. vicki on May 4th, 2007 9:40 am

      well it doesnt take a 5th grader to know that this case can and has been solved, by us on the internet…all we need are the arrests of all the pimps and their daddys….whats the problem here????

    3. robots on May 4th, 2007 9:44 am


    4. Freebrid on May 4th, 2007 9:50 am

      They knew from day 1 that these boys had everything to do with what happened to Natalee!!! It’s not just the fact its there on paper!! Justice for Natalle I hope is coming soon!!

    5. Miss-Underestimated on May 4th, 2007 10:04 am

      So we all know that 2 and 2 equals four. Doesn’t Aruba have the same math there? Oh yeah Arlene, we just don’t understand.

      BTW I was wondering why Jug doesn’t go for slander after the ones that accused him of abuse of Natalee?

    6. viet vet on May 4th, 2007 10:05 am

      Too many people know now, Paulus cannot keep it covered. He just dosen’t understand how much the other side knows about the whole mess in Aruba. Confession would be their easiest way out.

    7. Meee on May 4th, 2007 10:16 am

      I hope Jossy is right.

    8. minnesota dad on May 4th, 2007 10:42 am


      I am 100% in agreement with Jossy. At minimum, these fellas shall be doing 7 years in the pokey if they decide to close the case down as a murder.

      But, will Aruba do this…I mean the boys have behaved so well since the murder that this should be considered. With the exception of Joran grabbing ass on Aruba’s beach, and doing interviews that contradict his story, and writing a book that further screws up his timeline for the evening (oh yeah…the more attention and scrutiny we put on his timeline…the less we will put on Paulus’ timeline — the true predator/perp), etc.

      Look, to the best of our knowledge, Joran has not killed any dogs or other animals since that night….nor has he kidnapped, drugged, raped, and murdered anyone. So, that’s good behavior and we should just let him off the hook.

      BTW Dutch investigators…have you retracted Karin Janssen’s letter yet? Why won’t you touch Paulus??? Why are you feeding Paulus information about your current ‘investigation’?

      Jossy, dude, all the power to you and I appreciate your hope that this will be resolved to the satisfaction of the Holloway family. When they are satisfied, I will be satisfied. However, based on the constant bungling of the cover-up over the past two years…we are expecting the same. The timeline over the last thirty days doesn’t work for me:

      April 10-15th – MEP government moves to boycott and isolate the only news source on the island objectively reporting on the Holloway case.

      April 16th-20th – Aruban poster posts to the Internet that the 10 Dutch investigators have landed on Aruba with the intent of wrapping up and closing the case.

      April 20th-25th – The ‘usual protesters’ hit the street to protest the ‘Choller problem’ and blame them for the drop in tourism.

      April 26th – Joran Van Der Sloot publishes book which screws up his timeline and also places Natalee Holloway back on the beach (although Aruban investigators have even said that they were never at the beach). Book blames everyone but the liar himself for Aruba’s problems.

      April 28th – 29th – Dutch investigators begin searching the Sloot compound. A search that should have taken place 22 months and 25 days earlier. Paulus is privvy to the search and boasts on Dutch TV that he has been told by a trusted source that ‘they found nothing’. I do not know how long it takes to pull together a forensics search on he and Anita’s home…but it seems to me it should have been much, much more than the time spent at the Sloot compound.

      April 28th-29th – The Dutch investigators have said they are extending Joran’s suspect status indefinitely. This appeases the Internet watchers for a few days. My spidey sense tells me that in 30 days we will be told that that was part of a ‘misinformation campaign’ and under Dutch Law it cannot be extended.

      Jossy, based on the leaks to Paulus alone, I am not confident that the KLPD/Dutch are there to get to the bottom of this case. Too many heads will roll.

      But, again….just in case you are right Jossy….I already have it baked and ready:


    9. minnesota dad on May 4th, 2007 10:47 am

      Oh, I forgot to add on that timeline:

      April 30th – Greta V. and Joe T. hit the Fox airwaves in order to distract from Joran and place blame on the drug-dealing low-life….Boeti. Pretty clear that this is a last ditch hail mary to distract away from Paulus and Joran.

      This flurry, in a two week period, for me, is just setting up for closing the case while making it look like the Dutch did ‘everything possible’ to solve the case. It is not passing the ‘smell test’.


    10. minnesota dad on May 4th, 2007 11:10 am

      Went back in the archives. This is about the most pathetic attempt I have ever seen for Paulus to try and get his son off for the crimes that Paulus himself committed. I think Joran should finally turn ‘State’s Witness’ on Paulus!

      Pathetic Paulus….pathetic. What we know now is Joran was all over Natalee that night (it is now three hours of lovemaking he had after leaving C&C at 1 AM) — as well as you Paulus, hitting on her at the casino. So Paulus…where is the follow up letter now that Natalee had her and Jug’s baby back in December of 2005???

      Dutch Investigators…a simple question for you….HAVE YOU REBUILT PAULUS’ TIMELINE FOR THE EVENING??? Get to work boys.


    11. LilPuma on May 4th, 2007 11:34 am

      If you simply put Joran’s new 3-hour love making on the beach story together with Joran’s falling asleep and waking up story and throw in all of Joe Tacopina’s numerous witnesses to Natalee being “over the top drunk” that night, YOU GET RAPE. Book ‘em Danno.

    12. vicki on May 4th, 2007 11:54 am

      Can everyone PLEASE stop referring to Natalee as “making LOVE” with urine. That lowlife piece of caca wouldnt know about LOVE if it slapped him in the face. The only way he could have touched Natalee was if she was unable to fight him off. I believe she tried to fight him but he is an over weight FAT PIG.Get real URINE…you have to DRUG woman to just touch them cause you are so replusive…

    13. Richard on May 4th, 2007 11:56 am

      With the constant chorus of media figures saying that something is going to be done … why isn’t it?

    14. minnesota dad on May 4th, 2007 12:22 pm

      Here’s a question for Dutch Law Experts….

      If Joran writes a book, stating that the was on the beach for three hours that night…but has given information previously in the case that contradicts…or there is computer evidence that contradicts (which there is), is this not NEW evidence that can be used to bring him in for additional questioning by the KLPD.

      The book is a written account by Joran himself. It would only make sense that if his new written account differs from the old one, that that is new evidence for the case and the KLPD should be questioning him as we speak.

      Perhaps this is what Paulus/Joran want. A requestioning where they can adjust their timelines for that evening. Perhaps Joran could state his brother was on the computer when he was. Perhaps Joran could state that he texted DK that he was home when he was on his way in papa Sloot’s car.

      From the court ruling a few months ago, it is clear that Papa Sloot was out cruising the McDonald’s parking lot at 4am. It is mere speculation, but Paulus has a huge problem with his timeline and they needed to readjust the Joran beach story again in order to make the pick-up plausible (I actually think Paulus was out taking care of the situation while Joran was home on the computer…but it is kind of hard for Paulus to be out…unless he was picking Joran up — so the three hours allows Joran’s timeline to mesh with Paulus’….but now Joran’s timeline is screwed up as he was supposedly on the computer at 3:20 am). Oh what a web we weave when we try to deceive.

      Any reason KLPD why you are not questioning Joran??? KLPD…what is disturbing in Paulus’ timeline for the evening so that Joran needs to rewrite historical statements?


    15. Nut44x4 on May 4th, 2007 1:04 pm

      Never understood the reason for the ‘add up the numbers’ thingy..most people can add, lol. ANYWAY…….Been reading and watching all sites and I still come to the same conclusion…….J2k know what happened. If they were involved, I still do not know, but I think they were……IF THEY WERE not………then they all know what happened to Natalee. Been here 4 a long time….I do not post a lot, but I read every day and my heart is with the family and friends, as always.


      SM:   Spam Bots can’t add, lol     :)     (klaasend)

    16. JusticeforNatalee on May 4th, 2007 1:54 pm

      Chapter 1 of Joran’s book: ” Island Boy”

      Wouldn’t “Island Perp” be more fitting?

      Joran hates Holland and likes living in Aruba better.

      (But he doesn’t really care
      what the boycott is doing to Aruba.)

      “My client, Joran VDS, played a MAJOR ROLE in the
      disappearance of Natalee Holloway.” Antonio Carlo

    17. JusticeforNatalee on May 4th, 2007 1:56 pm

      Supposedly, at 5:00 on NBC 13, Jossy
      will tell what he thinks happened to Natalee.

      Has he ever expressed his theory before?

    18. Tazman on May 4th, 2007 2:10 pm





    19. Tazman on May 4th, 2007 2:12 pm

      In my paragragh #3 above, I meant “MURDERERS”

    20. IndyDan on May 4th, 2007 2:23 pm

      #13 J4N,
      5:00, what time zone? TIA

    21. 10061906 on May 4th, 2007 2:24 pm

      I still say PVDS caught someone with their pen in someone else’s inkwell. I see no other reason why the liar is untouchable. Also other key Aruban sons had something to do with Natalee and he was given extra protection to cover up those loose ends..
      Where ever and when ever something bad happened to Natalee it had to be between 3:30 and 4:30 AM on May 30th, 2005.
      Why would every try to come up with alibis for that time frame before questioning?
      Paulus; “I picked up Joran at McDonalds around 4AM. Never said why Joran was there or from where he had came. McDonald’s is not opened at 4:00AM not even for breakfast. Then he changes that lie to I picked up Joran and Natalee at McDonalds at 11:00PM on May 29th, 2005. He doesn’t say why or where he takes them. We know that is a lie because Natalee was already at C and C’s. The Google hits on PVDS computer around 4:00AM. The ATM hits starting around 4:00AM. Joran “We made love for three hours.”
      Well; pick up a drugged Natalee at 1:00AM and rape her for three hours and its 4:00AM.
      The reason they brought PVDS in as a suspect is: as a suspect you can lie as a witness you cannot. F..Ked-up legal system but good ALE excuse for a suspect.
      Deepak; “we all had sex with her, you would be surprised how easy it was.
      Sure; you have a drugged girl and only the three of you can say how many pimps there were that had sex with Natalee.
      Natalee probably gave a good struggle in the car when she realized she was not going back to the hotel. Joran probably hit her and then there is blood in Deepak’s car.
      Natalee had no reason to think differently since Joran said he was an exchange student also staying at the HI. Even the documentary was to the effect; “That’s alright they’re bringing me back to the hotel. Right there is deception and kidnapping.
      Joran said she wanted to see my house. Liar. Again no reason since you told all the MBHS students you are an exchange student staying at the HI. She wanted to see the SHARKS. Again Sharks and Shark Fest is pimp jargon for gangbang.
      This latest Dutch search is the last hoorah before closing the case. The queen bee herself probably said get it over with we are not lending Aruba any more Florins, period. PVDS tells Joran and the k2′s to get lost. He will take care of the situation. JVDS, his friend probably comes over to help. The k2′s don’t know where Natalee is. Joran probably has an idea. Anita by now knows the whole story.
      Natalee was not kidnapped and sold into slavery. With that high of a profile the person paying for her abduction would want to be first. By Deepak’s own admission about we all had sex with her, Natalee would then have been Tainted merchandise.

    22. Just Bearly on May 4th, 2007 2:25 pm

      #17…. I think Jossy may have said before he felt Nat was taken to, or doomed at the home of Joran…. What happened to the corpse has always been the burning Question….

      Whats wrong with the publishers who circulated Jorans book. Isnt it about as enlightening as OJ’s If I Did It. I should hope no one finds that a compelling read except for investigators on the case.

    23. mamagee on May 4th, 2007 2:43 pm

      I still believe it is JVDS covering for PVDS (not the other way around) hence, “your own Dad” … has asked us to take the heat on this. (humm)

      Where is Dad’s old mattress that was replaced just days after Natalee dissappeared? I don’t think Joran got a new mattress. I wonder how PVDS brought up the need a new mattress idea to Mamasloot.

    24. m on May 4th, 2007 3:23 pm

      I sure wish i knew who gave the casino footage showing Paulus sitting next to Natalee just hours before she is NEVER seen again. Same thing for who got an aerial shot of the furniture truck delivering a new mattress to the Sloot house. WHY CAN”T WE FIND THAT OUT?~ I read where Geoff van Cromvoit(sp) owns (or did) 3 helicopters and there are atleast 2 helipads. Think of the timing of a helicopter being in just the right spot to capture that scene of Paulus ushering the men in and out with the mattress.

    25. Crioyo on May 4th, 2007 3:26 pm

      yups…i went to the bookstore. checked out Joran’s book.
      noticed it was 350-380 pages thick….put it back on the shelf.

    26. beel on May 4th, 2007 3:28 pm

      Result of Miami Protest – no interference in plans to build in Aruba.

      Global Destinations of Miami is developing a 45000 square meter , 256 room hotel, 64 condo, with casino complex in Fishermans hut location. Monument Realty of Washington
      is the finaceer with active particiapnts Lehman Brothers, Apollo Real Estate, Prudential and Northwest Mutual. US Engineering company is building it.

    27. mayan_moons on May 4th, 2007 3:42 pm

      beel schmeel,

      Hey everybody! beel has some very important news.

      Aruba has construction going on ya’ll!


      BFD Old Man!

    28. vicki on May 4th, 2007 3:49 pm

      Klaas, I didnt post 24 and 25…NICE TO SEE WE ARE UPSETTING THE STUPID TROLLS.


      SM:   I didn’t think so and almost deleted them.   I decided to process and let you tell me, LOL.   Will delete them now! (klaasend)

    29. mayan_moons on May 4th, 2007 3:54 pm

      lol vicki & klass!

      fool me once…..i knew that wasn’t you this time viki!

      Happy Friday~

    30. mayan_moons on May 4th, 2007 3:58 pm

      Can’t wait to hear what Jossy’s got to say…! To announce it ahead of time sure has me curious.

    31. IndyDan on May 4th, 2007 4:27 pm

      Congrats, the sure mark of your success in Miami is the presence of trolls telling you how unsuccessful you were.
      Remember right after the Boston protest, the trolls started coming out of the woodwork?
      Consider it a badge of honor!

    32. JusticeforNatalee on May 4th, 2007 4:41 pm

      Enjoy all your empty hotels, Aruba!

      Old or new, they will still be EMPTY unless there is JUSTICE.

    33. JusticeforNatalee on May 4th, 2007 4:44 pm


      Instead of whining about a boycott or
      pretending it means nothing:

      Why don’t you

      Then you won’t have to worry about a boycott anymore!

    34. Carpe Noctem on May 4th, 2007 4:52 pm

      We love Natalee

      and want her home

      one way, or another.


      (d 704)

    35. Houston on May 4th, 2007 4:52 pm

      I think we have had this same song and dance before!

    36. LilPuma on May 4th, 2007 5:08 pm

      24. m: Casinos have cameras all over the place, all the time. Good question about the furniture truck, though!

    37. mayan_moons on May 4th, 2007 5:27 pm

      Yeah casino’s got cams everywhere yet ABC gets *the tape* of Paulus and Jurine sitting with Natalee. Thats when i knew in my gut that Paulus did more than dispose of a dead body that night.

    38. Carpe Noctem on May 4th, 2007 5:38 pm

      Dana’s Furniture truck at

      the Sloot Dump 07/2005

      Dirt-Pock Kalpoes

      car comparisons


    39. mayan_moons on May 4th, 2007 5:39 pm

      Paulus was the leader of the so called pimps that night and the casino video proves it. You can see him hitting on her and her suprise as she points to Jipshit while talking (responding) to Paul.

      Her body signals show her staying away from Paulus, clinging to the friend g/f. The signal that says
      *Stay Away From Me*

    40. mayan_moons on May 4th, 2007 5:59 pm

      We see Paulas and Jurine at the casino table with Natalee….yeah Carpe thats the shot! Isn’t that a beaut?
      Add in the fact that as Jurine’s sits in jail as a suspect Paul feels the need to spread some cement on their property.

    41. 3 on May 4th, 2007 6:10 pm

      26 – corporation don’t invest when the occupancy rate is less than 80% over a 2 yr period which is what aruba experienced. A hotel must make 76% to break even, everything else is profit. Aruban hotels have been hedging at 76.1% avg – no profit there and have had a low rate of 64% that hasn’t been reported.

      but i like bad money going to aruba, so bad money can loose more money.

      one vote got george to the white house in his first election – he called it a angel in the whirlwind and that one angel in the whirlwind will also bring abruba to a monetary collaspe as well.

    42. vicki on May 4th, 2007 6:12 pm

      THANK YOU ONE AND ALL [especially you trolls] we do this for Natalee….WE know we were a BIG HIT in MIAMI cause they got hardly any SALES… I dont IMAGINE they will have a big BOOTH in New Orleans,probably smaller than in Miami…can only tell by the layout…{DID NOT GO INSIDE}..but I have incited Gabrial Leo..m1p69[purposley not putting CAPS just to disrespect his LIERUBAN BUTT]you were in Miami…I saw you….and You saw me…

    43. Carpe Noctem on May 4th, 2007 6:28 pm


      & drop it like it’s friggin’ HOT,

      homeslice! -Snoopy Dogg

      Do it for Natalee. She is loved,
      and not forgotten. -j4n

    44. anne on May 4th, 2007 6:30 pm

      Minneasota Dad and 10061906: I always make certain to read and not skim your posts. You are both well-informed and have done extensive research. Thank you for posting and putting out the logical, rational conclusions that can be drawn from what is known. Of course there is a cover-up because how can the ALE and the Dutch authorities not know what you both know and more? Yet, even with that knowlege, combined with access to J2K and PVDS, no one is brought in and re-arrested. How does this make sense? It only shows that there is indeed a continuing, ongoing cover-up. Thanks for trying to keep the truth out there.

    45. minnesota dad on May 4th, 2007 8:51 pm

      Thanks Anne,

      I have followed this case since June 2nd, 2005. I remember back then posting on a few blogs that this was a cover-up and that there should be a boycott of Aruba for even trying this crap….I got scolded by several people saying “let them work on this.”

      Two days prior to Paulus’ arrest I was on the boards, including this one, demanding that Paulus be arrested and brought in for murder. Their diversions and keeping focus on J2K have not caused me to lose focus on who the perp is here.

      As time has progressed, I believe most of those folks now understand — when a person with connections to the legal structure in a county, state, or country….they literally have ‘diplomatic immunity’, as favors get handed out all the time. If you know the right people….things will be taken care of.

      Several years back I had received a ticket for driving without a license. In Minnesota, this is a problem (I had received a ticket, paid it, and even had the cancelled check, but the county showed it wasn’t paid and quietly suspended my license). I made a phone call to a well known criminal attorney and friend — he said no problem, send me your ticket and I will take care of it. That was the last I heard of the ticket.

      Though I was happy the system ‘worked’ for me, I was also irked as folks without my connections to the legal underworld do not get these breaks.

      Paulus has received all of these breaks because he is in the loop with the system. I’ll get you out of your problems, if you get me out of mine. Quid pro quo’s.

      Paulus is and has been your ultimate predator/perpetrator in this case. If the Dutch make no effort to reverse Karin Janssen’s letter, establish a timeline for Paulus, and/or bring him back in as a suspect — Everyone will have witnessed that not only is the Aruban system corrupt…..but so is the Dutch system. This is one that the Dutch can’t cover-up without losing all credibility (Though they are trying to look credible by sending over a huge contingent to stick sticks in the ground and read/joke about Joran’s book while on assignment). Their unprofessionalism in reading and joking about Joran’s book (conveniently released a day before their search) shows that they are not taking this case seriously.


    46. Meee on May 4th, 2007 11:04 pm

      Jossy has a newspaper in Aruba. Did he or does he. Print the lies and coverups that have happened in Aruba during this investigation? I know he spoke about it on American TV. But did he put it in print in his paper? Has he ever questioned Karin Janssen letter helping free up Paulus? Has he ever questioned the timelines of Paulus and Joran? Has he ever printed why the aren’t in Jail for lying as witnesses? Like I said. I wasn’t hear from the beginning. How much talk about this case did his paper cover? And did he call out the police and gov’t in it?

    47. Bob on May 4th, 2007 11:05 pm

      Well, like it or not; accept it or not. There is a basically sound reason IMHO, as to why the Aruban Police and “INVESTIGATORS” NEVER asked timely questions, the right questions, etc.etc.etc.etc. almost 2 yrs ago, and up to the present. It has nothing to do with training, lack of training, experience, or lack of experience. It’s all about genetics I believe. Mental accumen and capacity. In short: inbred genes simply don’t function well. As a result, the Sand Trap of the Carribbean is slowly sinking into the sea financially. Morally, they sunk 2 yrs ago.

    48. 10061906 on May 4th, 2007 11:27 pm

      Anne; thank you. Minnesota Dad pretty much sums up my feelings also. I have been following this case since around the second week of June. Although I had heard about it when it was first reported and I was relieved two suspects had been arrested.
      I realized something was wrong but really did not pay close attention until right after SHANGO. I was away when he was posting. I say he because I believe Shango was RW Benson. Joran lies when he says he did not take Natalee to his house because his father and brothers were there. He; Joran is pretty confident that eventually everyone found out his brothers were in Europe, he still lied. And why would Natalee ask to go to Joran’s house when in fact Joran told the MBHS students he was an exchange student staying at the HI. Paulus lied when he said he picked up Joran at 4:00AM at McDonalds. Why was he there? Remember the time. He then says he picked up Joran and Natalee at McDonalds at 11:00PM. We know that is a lie. Joran was home He was at the casino and Natalee was already at C and C’s based on MBHS statements. I want to see the Sharks. The only sharks were in Joaran’s head concerning the pimps.
      I did so much research that a volunteer diver I know when he returned from Aruba didn’t have to explain anything about his photos from the trip. In fact it was his pictures of St. Ana Church/cemetery and the police station at Noord with the motorcycles that got me thinking the “I must go feed the messengers” might be motorcycle police. By the way the ATM is right down the street from the cemetery and a little north of what was considered the Lion’s Den. Did you know there was a railroad at one time on Aruba? It took ore from the gold mines about 3 km from Montana down to be smelted in I believe its called Balashi near St Nicholas. That whole area was dredged to allow ore ships to move in closer to the smelting facilities. Gold is usually found where there have been volcanos.
      Remember 4:00AM. Before any one other then the two guards were arrested, why did everyone feel they had to start establishing a time line in alibis for the hours between 3:00 and 4:00AM? In his deluded mind he says he and Natalee made love for three hours. Well; 1:00AM pick up a drunk/drugged female rape her for three hours and that comes out to 4:00AM
      Why did Joran say he asked Deepak to pick him up around 3:30AM. Recall how much driving Deepak would have had to do that night if all this were true.
      Then you have the ATM withdrawals sometime between 4:00 AM and 5:00AM. Why the google hits on the van der Sloot computer for the interaction of drugs and alcohol around 3:30AM to about 4:00AM? Temporarily placing Natalee in a crypt in St. Anna cemetery could explain why the pastor of St Ana church after delaying for three days refused to speak with Dave Holloway? What vehicle roams the streets at all hours of the day and night unnoticed? How about a hearse?
      Why did our mysterious “Judy” who was in Aruba right before Natalee, who had her picture taken with Joran, “stageboy”, outside of C and C’s suddenly remove her album from the community web and disappear under the radar? What happened to the caretaker? Remember the crypts that were broken into (Oduber and Wever). Also remember that Aruba is basically the remains of an ancient volcano; that’s how gold was discovered and almost 3 million pounds was sent to Holland.
      Because of the volcano activity, the ground is pretty hard and difficult to just burying someone in a couple hours with no shovels, picks etc. If they had these tools with them then it is definitely premeditated murder. Anyway back to community web. With that in mind I start doing some research on the community web/shots and found hundreds of photos that female tourist took on Aruba. Many had Joran, Michael Dompig, Geoffery von Cromvoirt and Michael’s friend Andreas. Michael Dompig was hustling female tourist when Dave arrived at the HI. Dave spotted him and Michael and his friend retreated. I have quite a few photos of Geoff in many of the HI hotel rooms.
      Anyway what I guess I’m saying is I do my best to research when I post. My theories may disturb some, they may intimidate some and some may ask what I’m smoking?
      I don’t. I quit 5 years ago.

    49. Richard on May 5th, 2007 8:02 am

      One thing that doesn’t get much comment: the current consensus seems to be that J2K brought Natalee to Joran’s apartment. We’ve heard one of Joran’s many lies … that she asked to see his house, which makes no sense at all.

      We all know that Natalee was highly intoxicated by the time they took her from Carlos ‘n’ Charlies. We don’t know whether she had been given a drugged drink, though it seems to be very likely.

      My point: Given Natalee’s background, her experience at international travel, and her general good sense (attested to by her record of accomplishments and the testimony of her friends), does anyone think she would willingly have gone into Joran’s apartment?

      Remember, Joran represented himself to the MB kids as a Dutch tourist staying at the Holiday Inn. Natalee evidently thought she was being given a ride back to her hotel. I’m convinced she would never have gone into his apartment willingly.

      We also know that as she was driven off in the car, she was yelling something out the windows. Something that apparently sounded like “Woo hoo, Aruba!”

      So if (and we don’t know it for a FACT) they all did indeed go to his apartment, she would have been aware enough to protest. Unless the date-rape drug had taken effect by then. Or unless she was sedated further, with the cleaning fluid (which may have contained chloroform?) that reportedly was found in the backseat of the car or something else.

      Or, possibly, just knocked out or gagged, and carried in.

    50. vicki on May 5th, 2007 8:44 am

      Thank you 1906, I really respect your thinking. Like I said, this case has already been solved….they just need to arrest the freakin perverts.

    51. Lady devon on May 5th, 2007 9:51 am

      I believe that when Joran says Natalee ‘wanted to go home with him’ what she really said was that she wanted to ride back to the HI with him (after all he claimed to be staying there too). Her friends had left CnC’s and she was alone. Joran offered to give her a lift back in the ‘taxi’ he had waiting. Joran takes the truth and then twists it to hopefully work in his favor.

    52. Susan on May 5th, 2007 9:56 am

      I just tried to place an ad in the Amigoe, but of course it didn’t work :( The email reads as follows:

      I’d like to place an ad in the Amigoe please. It should read as follows:


      Please run the ad until the mystery behind Natalee’s disappearance is solved…

      Susan in Alabama

      Hmmmm, I also called the toll free number to ATA some months back to make a reservation. The catch, of course, was to only visit (NOT IN A MILLION YEARS!!) if Natalee’s disappearance was solved, and the perps had been brought to JUSTICE…

      I hope Jossy is right and answers will come soon! Godspeed Natalee!!!

    53. Carpe Noctem on May 5th, 2007 10:53 am

      Joran, Paulus, Dirt-Pock

      & Sufferin’ Succotash…

      You’re going down real soon, I predict!

      Bend down & kiss the toad, u bishes…

      >SOAP ON A ROPE, start stocking up TODAY.

      It’d be highly informative to

      look into the guns that each

      one of them own.


    54. 10061906 on May 5th, 2007 11:01 am

      Richard: I kept saying starter fluid was used but your theory is more plausible. see the following.
      Dry Cleaning Chemicals
      Question: I would like to know what effects perc has on the consumer that has their clothes dry cleaned? Any information you have would be greatly appreciated.

      Answer: There are several different names that are used for the chemical used in dry cleaning fluid. These include perchloroethylene, perc, tetrachloroethylene, PCE, perclene, and perchlor.

      Perchloroethylene is a man-made substance widely used for dry cleaning fabrics and textiles and for metal-degreasing operations. It is also used as a starting material (building block) for the production of other man-made chemicals. Although tetrachloroethylene is a liquid at room temperature, some of the liquid can be expected to evaporate into the air producing an ether-like odor; evaporation increases as temperature increases.

      In high concentrations in air, particularly in closed, poorly ventilated areas, single exposures to tetrachloroethylene can cause central nervous system (CNS) effects leading to dizziness, headache, sleepiness, confusion, nausea, difficulty in speaking and walking, and possibly unconsciousness and death. As might be expected, these symptoms occur almost entirely in work (or hobby) environments.
      They forgot to include abduction, captivity and rape.

    55. LilPuma on May 5th, 2007 2:37 pm

      37. Mayan_Moons. Like you, I don’t think it was a coincidence that that particular piece of the video was “leaked” to the media.

    56. LilPuma on May 5th, 2007 2:43 pm

      26. Beel. I hope they are not disturbing the turtle nesting spots. No sarcasm (about TES) intended.

      51. Lady devon. Ah yes, the truth within the lies. It has been the ongoing effort of those who have followed and posted on this case to look at the lies and try to piece together the truth. Still some pieces missing and I hope the NFI investigators, who have more informaton than we, get the answers.

    57. Carpe Noctem on May 5th, 2007 4:19 pm

      So maybe , the Kalpoe Bros. and Joran
      caused Natalee a head injury. (duh right?)


      possible scenarios

      a. rape at the van der sloot compound, ran away, tripped and fell.

      b. raped in the vehicle somewhere, got out / jumped out and ran & they hit her with the car.

      Natalee is knocked unconcious. Natalee is not waking up
      or responding at all. Frantically, the idiots debate about what to do. They freak.. then P is called in from there.

      She was finished off with a gunshot to the center forehead, I think.


      Paulus or his demon spawn, “Franken-titty”, finished her off instead of taking her to get medical help! Why? Welllll, we’ve always known why, because if she lived…

      his little son of a bi— , serial lying, date rapist, butcher of a son was fixin’ to receive 15 years in the clink-a-roo, getting his “salad tossed”
      by some sweet patootie named TANK!


      Joran, Paul… I don’t know if you got the memo or not, but you are not your own gods!

      You did not have the right to make that call; it will doom you until your last minutes on Earth. I am thrilled the KLPD is going all out “balls to the wall” to reel your
      foul butts in. You are mouse sh–. How dare you?

      KLPD, you need to press that pedal all the way
      to the floor and tag these cretans. How many more
      Natalees were hurt/killed in the past that we never
      heard about? How many more are coming down the
      pike in the future?

      Natalee shows me what you guys did to her. You 2-bit
      punk a$$e$ aren’t foolin’ anybody.

      Give it a rest.

      BTW- Dave Holloway is

      10 times the man, I will ever be. I would have broken down emotionally, and flown down there to shove a pair of clogs up your a$$e$ sideways, hold the KY, pickles, & the lettuce.

      Dave handles it the correct way. With grace, dignity, and patience. He just continues pushing forward to seek the truth as to what you lousy SOBS did to his baby girl.

      …and he will find the info he seeks soon.

      (d 705)


    58. Carpe Noctem on May 5th, 2007 10:56 pm
    59. melissa in fl on May 6th, 2007 6:26 pm

      i have been reading this site since the very beginning
      and i feel the need to say my herts and prayers are w/the family j4n

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