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More on the Aruba/Namdar bribery scandal … What a tangled web that always comes back to Aruban tourism at all cost no matter what the price. Ethics be damned, its all about the tourism. So what does it take to get a contract in Aruba?
Amigoe: I was introduced to Effy Namdar
ORANJESTAD – Tourism-minister Edison Briesen says that he had an encounter with Effy Namdar on August 21st, 2006. Royal Caribbean International arranged the introduction. The cruise company wanted an agreement between Aruba and Namdar for the development of the harbour, said Briesen in a press conference yesterday.
He also admits that he had contact with Michael Williams till September 2003. The alleged bribery letter was addressed to Williams. “The contact disintegrated due to problems with his water sport business and an incident with Minister Booshi Wever.”
However, Amigoe was allowed access to the documents last week, from which it appears that Briesen still corresponded with Williams up till and including December 13th, 2004.
The letters were about a permit for a stand for a water sport business in front of Occidental Grand Aruba that Williams wanted to start with a partner. The documents show that Williams was appealing to Briesen to grant him the permit as soon as possible. ”It is possible that letters were sent later, but the contact was no longer the same since 2003”, said Briesen in a reaction. Briesen said during the press conference that Williams was indeed his campaign-leader in 2001 and attracted funds for the election campaign. “Of course, you have to be very careful with that. But at that time, I have never seen a letter from Namdar, or have accepted money as is asserted in the letter.”
Briesen says that the contact with the Namdar Group is of August last year. The encounter was organized by Royal Caribbean International, and other than Briesen, also the director of Aruba Ports Authority, Alfonso Boekhoudt was present.
“Royal Caribbean wanted to introduce us to one of their business partners. Later, they wanted us to sign an agreement with Namdar, but I refused. I repeated the same again to John Tercek in Miami (during the Seatrade Convention last March, red.). Tercek is the vice-president Commercial Developments of Royal Caribbean, and I told him that I do not sign anything with third parties.”
“Why was Prime Minister Nelson Oduber so sure that he doesn’t know Namdar?” Briesen: “I haven’t really talked to the Prime Minister about this. I don’t know the contacts of the other ministers either.”
Oduber said in public that he does not do business with the Namdar Group and Briesen subscribes to this. “As I said earlier, I already told Royal Caribbean this last year.” The minister assented though that if the assignment for the harbour is allotted to the company, it will contract other parties for the execution. “I cannot control that.” Briesen says that no restriction on cooperation with third parties is included in the just signed declaration of intent.
PROJECT WORTH MILLIONS
According to the Tourism-minister, four parties have shown interest in the development of the harbour area; Trusam/Fresno, Barton Group, Cortez Group, and Royal Caribbean. One of the ministers that was present at the presentation of Royal Caribbean’s plans told Amigoe the day before yesterday that other than a cruise terminal, the cruise company also wants to build a hotel and casino. Briesen confirms this, but also says that he ‘is absolutely against another hotel and casino in the harbour area. Let them go negotiate their passengers’ stay-over with the new owner of the Bushiri hotel.”
The minister says that Royal Caribbean’s plan is an investment of approximately 400 million florins. In three months, after the negotiation, we will know what Royal Caribbean is allowed to do.
Posted April 21, 2007 by Scared Monkeys Amigoe, Aruba, Corruption, Crime, Economy, Government, Travel, World | 52 comments |
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Funny how some names keep popping up,over and over again.i am sure that this may not be Guido’s family,but they are related,everyone is in Aruba
1. joe bear – “… but they are all related, everyone is in Aruba.”
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LOL … Beth Twitty is under the same impression.
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Beth Twitty
‘Rita Cosby Live & Direct’
April 6, 2006
COSBY: What do you make of the fact that it’s so strange that here’s this guy (Boeti) who’s his brother-in-law, Gerold Dompig? …
TWITTY: Well, you know, it’s really not any stranger to me than it is that the Kalpoes are cousins of Gerold Dompig. So you know, they’re all very connected on that island. It’s hard to find someone who’s not a relative or a cousin.
Pass the buck, twisted lies, the “I cannot control that” mumbo jumbo crap they have been spewing their whole lives is sickening. Why do they do it? Because people let them get away with it, and it’s so easy. Too bad there’s noone honest and brave enough in their beaurocracy to step up, clear away the smoke and mirrors and let the people know just who IS in control and can/will do something about this.
The bottom line will happen one day, when there are not enough tourists to support the fancy hotels and casinos. On that day Royal Caribbean and others and the scum will clear out, leaving Aruba to become another Haiti.
Scared Monkeys, you are doing a great job of getting the word out. You too, Jossy!
1. Joe Bear
… and then there is another family connection … the ATA hired spokeperson for the Aruban investigation prior to Steve Cohen and … a suspect in the Natalee Holloway case.
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Arlene Ellis-Schipper
Record w/ Greta
May 25, 2006
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VAN SUSTEREN: As most of you know, Guido Wever, age 19, was arrested in Holland last week in connection with Natalee Holloway’s disappearance. He has been released. Here is a small news item: He is related to a frequent guest on our show – Arlene Ellis-Schipper. I was told they are cousins, but I don’t know if that is first, second, etc. Cousins… and yes, Aruba is a small place.
I’m sure that Royal Caribbean’s role in this was not altruistic. They probably figured (on the basis of past experience, I assume) that spreading some money around was the way to get things done in the Caribbean.
I wouldn’t mind one bit if this came back to slap Royal Caribbean in the … face. They and Aruba deserve each other.
Hey, folks, TAKE A LOOK AT THIS!!!!!
The Caribbean island of St. Lucia had a press conference the other day at which it admitted that its tourism had gone downhill some 5% from last year. It attributed this to competition, the weaker U.S. dollar, etc.
Here’s what it DIDN’T say…
Apparently St. Lucia has a policy that supports Japanese whaling, and in fact allows some whaling of its own.
This has incensed the anti-whaling lobby, which (shudder, gasp) has called for a TOURISM BOYCOTT of St. Lucia.
AND THE BOYCOTT SEEMS TO BE WORKING.
(Naturally, St. Lucia itself didn’t refer to a boycott.)
So take a look at the story here; I can’t call up the text, but it will come up when you click on the link.
http://www.cdnn.info/news/travel/t070420.html
Very interesting, says me … haven’t we been hearing from all the trolls … um, excuse me, I mean responsible and concerned Arubans … that BOYCOTTS NEVER WORK?
Read what this place says about boycotting a place that kills whales … so what about Aruba?
Never give up! Stand up for Natalee in Miami next weekend!
Snip from above:
The minister assented though that if the assignment for the harbour is allotted to the company, it will contract other parties for the execution. “I cannot control that.” Briesen says that no restriction on cooperation with third parties is included in the just signed declaration of intent.
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So, that means that the Namdar group is allowed to bring in their own contractors and sub-contractors, by-passing the citizen’s of Aruba the opportunity to bid on these contracts. How typical of the “Good Ol’ Boys Club” to take up the interests of foreign investors, rather than their own.
I knew there had to be some reason for the bribe, other than the fact that these ministers operate their government like a personal investment from which they plan to draw their own, personal, profits. The reason for the bribe was to buy-out the right of the people of Aruba to be involved and thus profit from the expansion of the harbour.
The ministers of Aruba are selling out their responsibility as public servants and their responsibility to the island of Aruba, their own people, in favor of foreign investors. Aruba’s businesses, most of them family owned, in essence, is not invited to the party. The money for the expansion of the harbour is being sold out to some other group of people to benefit.
The economy of a small island like Aruba could benefit, greatly, from the influx of money. But, once again, the Aruban is taking a back-seat, in favor of a crooked government and its’ ministers ability to line their own pockets with “big-money” profits.
How can they be called public servants while they protect only their own interests, and that of their associates? How long is Aruba going to look the other way and act like everything is status-quo? Has the government of Aruba kept their people in the dark so long that they are blinded by the light? Have they been so busy dancing to the beat of the drums that they have grown deaf? Is it only the fancy words of their crooked politicians that tickle their ears? Or is it, simply, that they have been sent off with a mission to be happy and are only capable of doing as they are told?
Light the Fires….
Beat the Drums….
and, Be Happy!!!
While their own ministers are selling
them short to the NEXT higest bidder.
Boycott Aruba!
http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2007/04/proof-of-arubas-fearmassive.html
PROOF OF ARUBA’S FEAR…MASSIVE AVAILABILITY
April 19, 2007
Try, as I may, no one says it better than Jossy:
But, the worst is that this government is principally an Anti-Aruban one that obliges the sons of this island that do not belong to the privileged few of the MEP, to go through a truly torturous process to find their rights! For the foreigner with money? Everything! All they have to do is…let everyone complete the sentence for himself or herself, considering the bribery offer. And for the poor foreigners who come to Aruba with his or her work specialization, another road of the cross! A merciless persecution; an extraction of the little money that they have or can borrow, to obtain the papers for a permit that often never comes! Another inhuman persecution of those that did not come to commit acts against the law (like those that many of the delinquents around Nel did commit, some with judge’s sentences hanging over their heads!), but who came to Aruba to look for a better life and to contribute to our labor market with their talents and know-hows!
Aruba:
Wake up!
Your RIGHT to bid on government contracts
is being sold, right out from under you,
in a crooked letter of intent.
From the CNN article about St. Lucia:
“St. Lucia can spend millions on slick ads but until it reverses it’s pro-whaling policy, it will remain the defiant tourist-unfriendly outcast, the brutal and barbaric contract killer gunning down internationally respected conservationists and firing exploding harpoons into the backs of young whale mothers and their baby calves.”
Wow – that sounds familiar:
Aruba can spend millions on slick ads but until it reverses it’s anti-Natalee policy, it will remain the defiant tourist-unfriendly outcast, the brutal and barbaric rape and murder young American Teen Natalee Holloway and covering up for van der sloots and Kalpoes.”
COVER-UP COUNTDOWN…39 Days
What’s it going to be Dutch/Aruba??? Paulus in the pokey, or no tourism forever. To the 10 Dutch investigators that started working on this in September, here is a little help for you: PAULUS IS YOUR PERP!
We are watching…and waiting. md
How sad….
Come Dance in Aruba!
The people of Aruba are being told to put on their colorful costumes with the feathers and lace . Come to the square to dance… swinging their hips with bright smiles on their faces to show the “true” Aruba. They are told to come out of their shanties and put on a show for the whole world to see. There will be drinks for all and festivities, to boot, as they cater to those that seek out their pleasures. A little tug on the arm of the bandit under the bright lights of the casinos… all for the benefit of only a few.
But what of their sons, what are they to do? Labor under the hot sun for little more than a hot meal and a leaky roof that covers a loving family with too many mouths to feed? Try as they must to make ends meet while their jobs are being filled by the tourists that waste their money on coke and wild women held up in some hotel somewhere ordering room service and making weekly trips to Western Union. Selling their souls to patriotism, truly loving their island, while those in charge are lining their pockets with the waste that comes from those that are working so far from home; while your husband is left home to care for the kids, his manly-hood stripped to the bone.
They tell you to be happy, while they rob you of your rights and have you idly stand by to witness their injustices. They tell you to be happy while they sell your future and that of your sons down the road to some drunken, two bit whore that couldn’t care less about Aruba or it’s people. They tell you to be happy, come dance if you will, while you wonder why everyone else is doing so good, while all you seem to do is struggle.
And, then, you wonder….
Could it have had something to do
with those government contracts?
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Boycott, Aruba!!!
Give Natalee’s remains back to her Momma.
Your Island cannot move on, until you deal front & center
with what the raping-murdering Van der sloots
were allowed to get away with.
M*U*R*D*E*R
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CASE COUNTDOWN IN ARUBA
# OF DAYS REMAINING
http://tinyurl.com/32jamk
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DAYS NATALEE HOLLOWAY
HAS BEEN MISSING OR *DEAD
http://tinyurl.com/2nmatm
>
timeanddate.com
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We will never forget.
http://tinyurl.com/227vjf
Natalee needs to come home!
It is where she belongs. -j4n
Yeah… I wonder how much Paulus had to pay for that
little speech that Prime Minister Nelson Oduber made
over the radio on Friday, June 10, 2005 and every
thing that followed on that weekend… the disposal
of one little girl, Natalee Ann Holloway?
Corruption
Coercion
Criminal Activity
Build it I will not come, plus that also means Royal Caribbeans cruise is no longer avaiable to me.
A vile and corrupt island ran by a perverts and a lunatic.
Re: #12: There is no shortage of jobs in Aruba. As a matter of fact, there have been articles in the local publications down there lately wondering if they are going to have to increase their immigration quotas to allow more people to come from off-island to fill vacant positions in the service industry. If you want to talk about negative consequences, there’s your hook, as many people seem to feel that the immigrants from South America who are working in the tourist industry now are not as friendly or outgoing as native Arubans.
As for “their jobs being filled by tourists” – doesn’t happen. A foreigner cannot work on Aruba without getting a hard-to-come-by work permit. Remember when a warrant was issued for J.T. Ward for plying his trade on the island without obtaining the necessary work permit? As a practical matter, Aruba is serious about not allowing illegal immigrants to work and will deport them forthwith if they catch them.
I mean, we all want Natalee found, but playing with the facts doesn’t advance the cause.
I haven’t seen any friendly people in Aruba. They boycott you while looking for your missing child. They tell you to shut up. They spike your drinks at the bar and rape you.The Aruban’s and ALE flagrantly abuse and follow the law to their advantage only. I would be ashamed to tell anybody I was from there.
Yes can also see why they did not want Ward there. It was not the permit. Yes, the scum couldn’t let Ward help Beth look around. Either way not to let Ward help Beth look for her child shows everybody what a cruel and heartless people you really are.
There ya go…..another aruban talking out of both sides of their mouth again. Saying “i mean we all want Natalee found and everything but we’re gonna put every road block possible to keep TJ from finding Natalee including threatning to put him in jail coz he didn’t have an aruban work permit.”
Reminds me of how Aruban’s demanded a new permit each day that Dave & Red (i believe) went to look in the landfill for Natalee.
They were to cowardly to challenge Dave man to man ans instead played these kind of games on a daily basis.
Millions of American’s saw that.
Mealy mouth aruban’s who change their laws when the truth gets to close to the local punks but are stringent with not letting Dave look in the landfill coz a tipster thought they saw something.
Wouldn’t it be a hoot if we demanded Aruba apply for and pay for a permit anytime an AMerican graced that ugly island full of ugly darkhearted people.
Say a contract ATA would have to sign pledging a boat load of money to the tourist should they fail to meet the safety standards they’re always talking (lying) about.
Postachild:
Do you know what it means if a foreign company is given
full-reign in a government contract, allowed to hire their
own contractors and sub-contractors? Do you really think I was referring to a tourist when I was speaking of one that would be working away from home?
And about the work permits, please, the truth is anything
can be bought and sold on that island, especially if that
something is being issued by the government. Do you, honestly, think that the government is going to go
after employees of a company that is servicing a crooked
government contract that was acquired through a million-
florin bribe… over a cheap little work permit?
Come on… wake up!
Another thing… doesn’t it alarm you that the government would allow a foreign company the right to choose for themselves who they hire as contractors and sub-contractors… They’re saying they are going to spend 400 million florins. How much money do you think is going to be made on this new harbour of yours? Wouldn’t Aruba be better off if the profits made from building the harbour stayed in Aruba, in their own economy rather than being put into the pockets of foreign companies, whose principals are also foreign?
A simple example is this. If I am the government and I want a house to be built, am I not better off hiring my own citizen to do the work, thereby enriching his life as well as any laborers that he hires to do the building?
To take that a step further, does not the spending of the money that I paid to build the house not only support all the people that he hired but also benefit me? The wages paid and any profits made, by my citizens, also enrich the rest of my island as there are tax revenues that are generated through every florin that is spent.
But let’s say this citizen is an investor and invests the money that I pay him to build that house into other projects that require the hiring of more people, does not that money that I paid to my own citizen go on to enrich other citizens through his continued expansion?
Mind you, I am the government, and as my citizen is hiring people, they are earning money that they spend, thereby resulting in more tax revenues that go to support things like better roads and better schools for my people.
On the other hand, if I hire a foreigner, he is going to take his money that came from building my house and return to his home to spend it. I am not generating any tax revenue for my people and there is no expansion through which my people benefit.
This is the way governments who care about their citizens think. They want to keep that 400 million florins within their own economy. They don’t want foreign companies with their own workers coming in to service their contracts because the money paid to them to service those contracts leaves with them to be spent in some other country, who collects their own tax revenue. There is no expansion from it and there is little to no benefit afforded to my own people as a result of my building my house.
The government of Aruba, in my opinion is doing nothing more than holding out a group of people that they care very little about as pawns in a game meant only for the entertainment of the rich. They are one hand washing the other with no vision of the future of their own people. Living only for today. The harbour will be yours, just as the house would be mine; but the money paid to build that house will rest in the hands of a foreigner, not in the hands of Arubans…
But, hey, what the heck. Aruba is only interested in tourism and the entertainment that goes along with it. You don’t need to educate your children for them to be able to go to the square and dance… just be happy. How hard can that be?
You know what?
Forget ARUBA!
Why should I care about them?
Why should any one care?
Let them burn…
Along with their corrupt government,
their drug addicts and their pimps.
Aruba HAS no future.
Maybe they are getting what they, justly, deserve. And I
am, truly, wasting my time speaking to a bunch of hate-ridden, vindictive and uneducated twirps that have neither the sense nor the desire to do anything about their own problems. Afterall, these are the people that elected that government and just like Jossy said, they are promoting hatred. I wonder how hard that is to sell to an island of people that laughed in the face of Beth Holloway? Perhaps, they can’t understand a mother’s love, as they have nothing to compare it to.
Oh, snap, Postachild probably thinks that the decision to hide Natalee from her family was the best thing that Aruba could do! That’s okay Postachild, because your hate is what fuels our fire… and it will burn as well.
Tell it Patti…
Tremendous comments, all, Patti.
Postahchild (#16), do you think for one second that the threats to TJ Ward were anything to do with the illegal labor problem? Don’t make me laugh … they come from the same dark well as do the threats to Beth Twitty and other members of her family, the threats that if they don’t “be nice” Aruba will shut down its “investigation” (most Americans would think it was their DUTY to investigate), etc., etc., etc.
It all shows that Aruba never had any plans to do anything.
Which is why Americans who go there now are crazy.
Which is why some of us are doing our best to convince them NOT to … both for the moral cause of justice for Natalee and for the practical cause of saving their own necks.
You could be next ….
Stand up for Natalee in Miami this coming weekend!
No justice for Natalee … no tourists for Aruba.
By the way, Patti, don’t forget … we owe Aruba NOTHING.
Their problems are of their government’s creation, not mine.
If they don’t like it, they know who to go after. Hint: it isn’t us. We’re not giving up.
#16 РMaybe you can explain this one to those of us not familiar with the stringent enforcement of work permits in Aruba. Several months ago Deepak Kalpoe lost his work permit, because it was deemed that the position he held at the Cyber Caf̩ could easily be filled by an Aruban citizen. He was given a set amount of time to find another job, or leave the island. As of two weeks ago a call was made to the Cyber Caf̩ and Satish Kalpoe answered the telephone. He denied working there and said he was only visiting his brother Deepak who did work at the caf̩.
What happened? What changed Deepak’s status? Did someone bend the law? Are those work permits for sale?
Hey,
Upon waking up this morning I had Aruba on my mind!
…and here was the first picture that I could
bring up, when thinking about Aruba.
http://tinyurl.com/2tevt3
Just for the record, I had the picture thoroughly
vetted. Ultimately, none of the subjects were releated
to Hitler or his mother.
So I am finding that comforting.
BOYCOTT!
Nat needs to come home
in some form. This is where
she belongs, in the USA.
I can’t stand the thought
of her being stuck over there
in that Aruban hell hole forever.
She needs to come home,
we want her home. -j4n
Here’s what St. Lucia had to say about its tourism decline. Not a WORD about the boycott … wonder why not?
St. Lucia Sees Tourism Decline
Friday April 20, 4:10 pm ET
By Guy Ellis, Associated Press Writer
St. Lucia Records Decline in Foreign Tourist Arrivals for 2006
CASTRIES, St. Lucia (AP) — The number of international tourists vacationing in St. Lucia declined for the first time in five years in 2006, Prime Minister John Compton said during a national budget address.
Compton said the total number of visitor arrivals to the tourism-dependent island declined by 7.1 percent in 2006 from the previous year.
Hotel occupancy rates dipped by nearly 4 percent last year, according to government statistics.
“Every unoccupied room has a cost, not only to the hotelier, but also to the farmer, to the taxi driver and to the vendor,” the 82-year-old premier said.
Compton attributed the decline to a lack of flights to the island, poor marketing to the European market, and rising crime on the island of roughly 168,000 people.
The weakened dollar has led to a drop in U.S. tourists, said Ashley Norman, an account executive with Cheryl Andrews Marketing, which represents the Dutch Caribbean island of Curacao.
St. Lucia’s tourism downturn came as the local economy recorded its fifth consecutive year of growth, according to Compton. The economy expanded by 5.4 percent in 2006, driven largely by the banking and construction sectors.
We all know that if Aruba fails to bring justice for Natalee Holloway, the economical death in Aruba will be eminent. I’m hearing things. Ppl won’t forget, especially the travel agents in the US. Travel Agents is all about reputation,word of mouth for them is a blessing or a curse.
Aruba….what is going to be you legacy?
Richard:
Thank you for the compliments.
I know we don’t owe Aruba anything. But, I find it impossible to hear the pleas of a desperate man that wants the best for his country and not want to help. I find it impossible to read about how they are being slighted by their own government who has no regard for its’ own citizens and not care. I know that it’s only more of the same, as what they did to the Holloways and Twittys; because that could not have been carried out by a caring government with a conscience. But, I am neither hateful, vindictive nor bitter toward an island of people that are the victims of this crooked government, as well.
The only thing that upsets me is that, we as human beings or common people, can’t have compassion for one another with governments and politics aside. By that I mean, if this had of happened in America, whether to an Aruban, a European or, even, an Iraqi, we as common people would be crying out in protest. No government has the right to keep the body of a child in their possession and cover-up her murder to protect a man with political power or his son. The hearts and minds of every good person would be crying tears of love and compassion for that child’s family. Instead, we get salt thrown into our wounds by people who, in my interpretation, are mothers, daughters, fathers and sons themselves. As much as I hate what Aruba, as a government, did to Natalee Holloway; there will always be that love and compassion that will remain for the common people of Aruba. And, I suppose, all their hate that they show for me or the Holloways and Twittys will never be enough to stop the hope that we have in mankind and the common good among “our” people.
I apologize; but, no, we are not giving up.
Will the dutch break down the huge wall of corruption? Or is it too late?? Would they rather see a American Boycott then the embarassment of arresting Aruban Law Enforcement and Govt Officials?
The countdown had begun..
http://tinyurl.com/32jamk
Yeah Miss-U….cursed is what Aruba is now. Check this out. I went to a couple of travel agencys in the last couple of days just to see how much Aruba is promoted to a would be traveler. I mentioned the islands and Aruba was brought up and i asked “hey you’re not really recommending going to Aruba are you? Isn’t that where Natalee Holloway was kidnapped and murdered?” “Arn’t the men that did it still are still free and living there?” “Why would anyone want to go there?”
I said look….no offense but i can’t do business with anyone promoting Aruba for my family vacation.
The Aruban Government doesnt want you to know that the pimps claim they had consentual sex with Natalee Holloway before she dissapeared. Thats right..after the sex with multiple pimps she was never seen again!!
They want this simple fact not to be in the case files. They want you to beleave she was doing cocaine and belly shots before she made herself dissapear.
I got a couple of friends to call the agencys this afternoon about Carribean destinations and Aruba was never mentioned once.
It is the travel agencies in New England that need to be informed.(NY,MASS,RI,CONN)They are still sending thousands to Aruba every month.
Observer-
When you add in the sex angle and whether or not it was consensual or not. (I believe it was NOT! even the Dutch interpretation of this LAW is clear. Anyone intoxicated can not give their consent). There IS NOT anymore time for all the other theories to happen. This is a key point that the Aruban Authorities have proven themselves totally inept again and again.
What other reason is there to abduct Natalee?
34. Observer
Steve Cohen made a futile attempt to take back his words spoken at the the Caribbean Hotel Association (CHA) in Puerto Rico but … as the highly paid official spokesperson for the Natalee Holloway investigation … logic dictates his speech was based on a foundation of knowledge.
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Caribbean Voice – January 18, 2005
… Aruba believes it is most important to get a hold of her mental state and most importantly, Natalee’s physical state at the time of disappearance. “Two of the boys said they had consensual sex with her. Whether consensual or not, depends on her ability to be conscious and make a choice,” said Cohen.
If Aruba goes from being a cash cow to a thorn in the side for the Netherlands, they may do something about the situation. I also do not see the U.S. sitting idly by while Aruba continues the Chavez talk.
37. Rob
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According to the former chief of police who was in an official possition to know … Joran Van der Sloot confessed to a felony under Dutch law. However … the judge chose not to “buy it”. GMAB!!!
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Gerold Dompig
‘Rita Cosby Live & Direct’
October 14, 2005
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COSBY: Now, did Joran-we’ve heard from the family, Chief, that-you know, that Joran was claiming in some statement that she was going in and out of consciousness. Have you seen that anywhere?
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DOMPIG: Yes. That’s definitely in the statements, and that’s why we were kind of disappointed when the judge didn’t accept that because that’s basically a felony in Aruba. We think that what happened was that the judge just didn’t buy it the way-because Joran went back and forth with his statements, and he withdrew two statements which he had already given to us. So basically, none of his statements were really trustworthy.
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COSBY: But what you’re saying, Chief, is that he did say that, at some point, she was in and out of consciousness. You’re saying that’s a felony in Aruba. where did he say that happened, in the back of the car?
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DOMPIG: In the back of the car. He mentioned a couple of times that she passed out a couple of times. Those were his words. But in a way that someone that’s drunk, that’s kind of like not really aware of what’s happening.
Rob-
As you know june 2nd or 3rd AM Digital reported this. It was quickly taken off the internet by Aruba.com. This was the first hint at what really happened followed up by something bad happened,the confession and the leading them to the body. They knew the sex would look suspicious since Natalee was never seen again after this so they erased it from the records. They have denied it publicly with the exception of Steve Cohen,Dompig being secretely recorded and the files that beth has. The ALE knew of all of this and more but still tried to pin it all on the security guards. They want you to beleave Natalee was a slut hopped up on cocaine and left with 3 strangers. Not a Virgin being escorted out by the arm by deepak 15 minutes later after most had left the bar.
An online newspaper, AM Digital, hosted at Aruba.com has reported that the three men involved in the Natalee Holloway disappearance claimed to have had sexual relations with the 18 year old Alabama high school senior at the beach prior to returning her to her hotel at approximate 2 AM.
Dont forget it is Aruban Law,if you are the last person(s) known to be in the company of any person while leaving a bar who disappears, you are charged with kidnapping. Yes..Rob anyone who is intoxicated cant give there consent especially someone who is unconscious.
Here’s another interesting nugget, Janet. Papa doesn’t get his money because they have a wiretap saying he lied in his statements and they believe Paulus had two contacts with Natalee the night she disappeared.
ABRAMS: Let me ask you about the father of Joran. He was under arrest for a brief period of time before a judge released him. Do you think that he knows something?
DOMPIG: Well, he is, has been, and still is a person of interest. And I wouldn’t like to say more than that at this time.
ABRAMS: But let’s be clear. A person of interest in connection with Natalee’s disappearance … or in connection with something after the fact?
DOMPIG: Both.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9676188/page/2/
41. Observer
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WHY HAS JORAN, DEEPAK AND SATISH NOT BEEN CHARGED UNDER ARUBAN LAW WITH AT LEAST KIDNAPPING … T.J.WARD?
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T.J. Ward
NANCY GRACE – July 27, 2005
WARD: ….. And I am very surprised that law enforcement, at this point in time, has not charged Van Der Sloot with at least kidnapping under Aruban law because…
GRACE: Why do you say that?
WARD: Because the Aruban law says if you leave the bar intoxicated with somebody, and that other party becomes up missing, then you can be charged with kidnapping.
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ANOTHER JORDAN LIE – GRETA INTERVIEW
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Joran Van der Sloot
On the Record w/ Greta – March 1, 2006
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, to me she seemed like she had – she had something to drink but she seemed fine. You know she knew – she knew what she was doing. … she’d been drinking, but she wasn’t drunk. I mean, she knew what she was doing.
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CONTRADICTIONS
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Joran Van der Sloot
ACA Interview – September 26, 2005
VAN DER SLOOT: But, I don’t know, she talked a lot of things. Obviously, she was drunk. I had stuff to drink too.
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Beth Twitty
‘Abrams Report’ – October 23, 2005
HOLLOWAY TWITTY: I’ve seen several of Joran’s statements. And I don’t know why he was released. He has her coming in and out of consciousness repeatedly throughout his statements. You know, he admits to bringing her to his home. And he even gives a date and a time, 1:40 a.m. on May the 30th, and, you know, has sex with her in his home.
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Gerold Dompig
‘Rita Cosby Live & Direct’ – October 14, 2005
DOMPIG: …..He mentioned a couple of times that she passed out a couple of times. Those were his words.
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Gerold Dompig
48 Hours Mystery – March 22, 2006
“We feel strongly that she probably went into shock or something happened to her system with all this alcohol maybe on top of that other drugs which either she took or they gave her and that she just collapsed,” says Dompig.
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Dave Holloway
On the Record w/ Greta – February 28, 2006
HOLLOWAY: Well, I read his deposition on one of the first statements and he indicated that she was falling asleep, waking back up, you know, right after she left the nightclub at Carlos and Charlie’s.
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Dave Holloway
NANCY GRACE – April 26, 2006
HOLLOWAY: …… she was totally out of it coming back from the lighthouse. And they said there was approximately a two-minute stretch where, you know, she was asleep.
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Bryan Burrough
Vanity Fair Interview – January 2, 2006
BURROUGH: … He said Natalee was so drunk she was drifting in and out of consciousness. Joran said he left her at the beach and walked home.
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Joe Tacopina
LINEUP – March 5, 2006
TACOPINA: … Listen to the witnesses, She was over the top intoxicated.
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Nadira Ramirez
On the Record w/ Greta – June 24, 2005
RAMIREZ: … He said he didn’t stop at all because she was drunk. And she was like, Hey, here I am. I want to go back to the hotel.
42. Dayhiker
Thanks for another Dompig quote to add to my desktop arsenal … another Dompig quote that implicates Paulus Van der Sloot in regards to the events that encompass that fateful morning.
Dayhiker … I hope you had a good weekend.
Janet
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Beth Twitty
‘Abrams Report’ – October 23, 2005
HOLLOWAY TWITTY: I’ve seen several of Joran’s statements. And I don’t know why he was released. He has her coming in and out of consciousness repeatedly throughout his statements. You know, he admits to bringing her to his home. And he even gives a date and a time, 1:40 a.m. on May the 30th, and, you know, has sex with her in his home.
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This one stood out to me even more than usual. If you read
all of Joran — The Rapist Murderer of Natalee Holloway’s statements to A.L.E.
You will see that this little two-bit, punk, “BUTCHER” has a history of taking girls back and having group sex with on video with all of his friends.
How does that feel, Anita? To know that your raping,murdering, carnivore of a son that killed Natalee Ann
lives under your very own roof?
…and that flaccid thing lying next to you, that you
have the nerve to call a husband, helped that murderer
of a son of yours get away with it in C-O-L-D B-L-O-O-D?
How can you people live with yourselves?
the VAN DER SLOOTS…
You are a new breed of sickness,
in urgent, URGENT NEED OF A CURE.
Justice 4
Natalee Ann
Holloway!
“Here are the exact charges against Freddy Arambatziz, according to Vinda de Sousa:
Intentionally distributing sexual images of a minor.
Intercourse with an unconscious person.
Sexual acts with a girl younger than 16 years. ”
Amazingly this pimp wasnt charged with anything either. Looks like they refused to give anyone any hard prison time in fear they would implicate each other.
And with all these laws that were overlooked (the excerpt above makes it clear that the two Kalpoes, as well as JvdS, could be charged with kidnapping), the question still is …
WHY were they overlooked?
Just to protect these three kids and a failed wannabe judge who was told, a week before Natalee arrived on the island, that he wouldn’t get the job? Seems unlikely to me ….
Something darker was going on ….
Patti, no apology needed. My point only was that we keep hearing from the trolls (er, sorry … from the responsible, concerned Arubans) that we can’t boycott Aruba, it doesn’t work, it isn’t effective, it causes too much pain, etc.
I don’t think the Aruban people are better or worse than anyone else. But they must reap the consequences of their government’s actions.
Let’s turn the screws on them.
Many people don’t support the idea of a boycott, even as they too want justice for Natalee. I have no problem with that, but I do ask them: propose an alternative, a PRACTICAL course of action that we can use on Aruba.
In August last year, the Aruban business community went to the Aruban government and demanded that the Dutch be brought in.
They didn’t care about Natalee on May 30, 2005.
They didn’t care about Natalee in August 2006.
And they don’t care about Natalee now.
But they DO care about their dirty little pocketbooks … that they’re losing money because of the boycott, and that they will continue to lose money because of the boycott.
So that’s why the Dutch were brought in. Nobody can say how effective they will be, but it’s the boycott and only the boycott (in my opinion) that brought them in at all.
Let’s tighten the screws on them, folks. We can’t control what the Dutch do (there’s certainly more hope with them than with Aruba), but we can try to spread the word:
No justice for Natalee … no tourists for Aruba.
Stand up for Natalee in Miami this weekend, if you can.
Confront the Aruba Tourism Authority.
(Patti, I know you have spoken out for the boycott … these comments aren’t addressed to you.)
What about satish saying in the morning”Hows the girl” doesnt that mean anything….for goodness sakes. How do some ppl on other blogs try and insist that the MB kids know more???terrible. Justice is coming..like a freight train. Once it starts it wont stop till it reaches the end, meaning any and all involvedin this…Disgusting.
Aruba is at it again … take a look at the last sentence.
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070422/aruba_airport_expansion.html?.v=1
Aruba Opens Terminal for Private Jets
Sunday April 22, 9:49 pm ET
Aruba Opens New Airport Terminal for Private Jets in Bid to Attract More Upscale Travelers
ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) — Aruba has opened a new airport terminal for private jets in a bid to attract more upscale travelers to the Dutch Caribbean island.
The new terminal, which officially opened Friday, replaces a makeshift terminal that Aruba Airport Authority N.V. installed to begin offering faster service for private planes in 2005.
The US$1.2 million (euro880,000) facility, which has its own customs and immigration counters, is operated by Houston, Texas-based Universal Weather and Aviation, Inc. under an agreement with the airport authority.
Peter Steinmetz, managing director of the Queen Beatrix International Airport, said the number of flights increased 21 percent in the first quarter of 2007 compared to the same period last year.
Tourism Minister Edison Briesen said last week that Aruba was recovering from the negative publicity surrounding the disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway in 2005 and is on track for a good tourism year.
(end of story)
Let’s keep pressing for justice for Natalee. The only way I see that we can do it is by using the boycott tool.
Disagree? Fine … give me a practical alternative weapon.
Observer, I’m not too sure they consider murder a crime in Aruba. Murder to them is the victim’s fault, especially if you’re a member of, or well connected to, the Dutch elite.
…but but but… I thought they had a record year with 2006!?!?
Get your stories straight Aruban-Dutch liars!!!
If you align yourself with Van der sloot lying filth…
you get more of it. What more is there to say? Joran
Van der filth raped and murdered Natalee Holloway!
Deal with it Aruba.
#50
privileged? yes, elite?, no way.
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