From todays Diario, December 6, 2006, Caso Natalee Procesverbaal di polis hulandes ta mustra ‘NAN’ A DRENTA PANICO ORA CU NATALEE A KEDA ‘PASSED OUT’

Read the full translation of the Diario article below.

From this same official report one can deduct that Joran again throws the ball in Deepak Kalpoe’s corner, because he tells the Dutch officer that if they interrogate Deepak in the same manner that they interrogated Joran, then Deepak for sure will tell the truth. Which truth? How come the Dutch police officer did not ask Van der Sloot about which truth he was referring to?
Joran also said that if some weeks before they had interrogated him in the aforementioned manner, then the truth would have come out much faster!



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  • Comments


    1. MIss-Underestimated on December 6th, 2006 12:27 pm

      Sunday, October 09, 2005
      Interview with Judge who refused search of Van der sloot home
      Curacao: In a rare interview and one that may cause controvery, the judge who denied Police warrants to search the home of Paulus Van der sloot gave a candid interview tonight.

      When asked why he didn’t feel a search of the van der sloot property was necessary he stated, ” it would have been a conflict of interest as I was staying with Paulus and Anita at the time.”

      The judge said he often stays with the family when he comes to Aruba to preside over hearings. “Paulus and I have worked well together for years so it was nothing unusual.

    2. Robert on December 6th, 2006 12:31 pm

      It’s getting clearer and clearer…..
      Soon “they”ll break!!!

    3. Frank on December 6th, 2006 12:34 pm

      I know why it’s hard to tell the truth. Because it’s so savage it’s difficult to speak about. Even the guilty are stunned at their own viciousness.

      Porn fueled misogny, they were acting out what they watched on video.

      While she was passed out? Sorry to be so graphic but does anyone understand the danger these savages are that they could physically assault someone while they are incapacitated?

      Was it a turn on for you too Paulus?

    4. MIss-Underestimated on December 6th, 2006 12:36 pm

      So now you could see why Anita would call Freddy.

      Oh Mr. DeVries, I see more fodder here.

      Good Job Diario

    5. Robots on December 6th, 2006 12:41 pm

      what difference does it make if the judge was staying with DCOTOR EVIL and MRS DOCTOR EVIL

      what is this CONFLICT OF INTEREST LOAD of CRAP

      that makes sense only if you are EVIL and are trying to think of something stupid to say

    6. TMAC on December 6th, 2006 12:42 pm

      The walls are closing in on them. It’s time for justice to be served.

    7. blah on December 6th, 2006 12:46 pm

      #1 if that is true then the right thing to do would have been for him to LEAVE the property, not cancel the seacrh. That is the lamest argument of all time – “I had to restrict the search because I was there”

      You have got to be kidding me.

    8. Frank on December 6th, 2006 12:47 pm

      What’s the definition of “heavy battery?”

    9. mac on December 6th, 2006 12:55 pm

      Robert: How soon?

    10. mac on December 6th, 2006 12:59 pm

      I wonder if they did search the sloots and found a video tape of them gang banging Natalee then killing her , do you think they would have destroyed it?

    11. Richard on December 6th, 2006 1:02 pm

      If there’s any perception of a conflict of interest, isn’t it the duty of the judge in question to recuse himself: that is, to have someone else handle the matter? In the U.S., that certainly could lead to major problems with a case, including having it thrown out of court.

      So now we have a name … De Ruiter. He was a Dutch policeman. I wish to God that Jossy Mansur would give the DATE of this “interrogation.” Was de Ruiter one of the four Dutch sent over in (if I remember correctly) the summer of 2005 to interrogate the three suspects? I don’t imagine that he was one of the original clods on Aruba.

      Very interesting to hear Joran vdS laughing when the prospect of extradition was raised. How do we interpret this … that he’s just psychotic, or that he’s so smug in the importance of his daddy (and possibly, as I’ve suggested, the knowledge that he and the other “Pimps” have carried out similar drug/assaults on Aruban girls with impunity) that he thinks he’s untouchable?

      And what of his remarks about Deepak? Sounds to me more like another attempt to pass the buck.

      Worst of all, in my eyes, are the comments that imply he knows the truth but simply won’t reveal it. This is in line with his email to Greta van Susteren that someday he might say what happened on that beach (that, of course, was said when people believed that they had gone to the beach).

      As the policeman says, the plural “we” is used … but exactly who that includes, and excludes, is not made clear.

      In my mind, these comments about knowing the truth should be all that Aruba needs to say that it has new evidence and to haul the three suspects back in for more questioning.

    12. MIss-Underestimated on December 6th, 2006 1:03 pm


      Battery is beating, I imagine heavy battery is murder.

      Where does accident fit into to battery?

    13. Mike on December 6th, 2006 1:09 pm

      #10…actually you mean raping Natalee don’t you?

      I also believe that the pieces are starting to fall together

    14. Richard on December 6th, 2006 1:09 pm

      And, of course, we have only their word for it here that Natalee wouldn’t awaken, and that they “went into panic.”

      This whole tale could well be just another calculated lie.

    15. vicki on December 6th, 2006 1:17 pm

      when they bring him to the US I will travel to wherever the case will be tried. I cant wait, that arrogant pig…JUSTICE IS COMING……..

    16. Rob on December 6th, 2006 1:18 pm

      Where’s the Dutch defense attorney Rammstein today?

      Typing 24/7 defending the murdering-raping sloots and the medieval archaic Dutch legal system…or on the phone with Taco formulating a game plan to blame Natalee even more for their malfeasance and crimes.

      I’d like to do some ‘heavy battery’ on that jurisprudence.

    17. strayze on December 6th, 2006 1:24 pm

      In the US, judges recuse themselves for much much less. Even for the appearance of conflict of interest. In the Aruba case we have downright interference with the investigation. That cannot be brushed off as ordinary.

    18. MommyTraveler on December 6th, 2006 1:24 pm

      This case is almost unbelievable. Because the Judge is a friend of Paulus and is conviently staying at his house, he has the authority to place limits on a search warrant? That is illegal – it just has to be. Sounds to me like he is definitely involved in this whole mess, too and was helping Paulus cover up something. This Judge needs to be investigated and placed on “leave” until he can more adequately justify his actions. There can be no reason to justify his actions. He, alone, by stifling the investigation has thrown all the speculations, suspicions, accusations and theories about what happened right into the Sloot family’s lap. How can any Dutch or Aruban authority respect a Judge that acts that way? They can’t. Neither can we.

    19. Kat_Gram on December 6th, 2006 1:26 pm

      So, they have released the Kalpoes from suspicion. What is next, a ticker tape parade ?
      This is so nauseating.
      Can it get any worse for the Holloway Twitty family ?
      Probably. When are they giving Paulus Van Der Sloot an award of money from the courts.
      They are all the Spawn of Satan.

    20. dennisintn on December 6th, 2006 1:26 pm

      #7 and ll, y’all are mighty right. the arrogance of these people is unbelievable.

    21. JusticeforNatalee on December 6th, 2006 1:33 pm

      They failed to call 911.

      That’s what innocent people do during an emergency.

    22. Mortella on December 6th, 2006 1:38 pm

      #1, Miss Under-Estimated,

      I recall hearing this back at the time it happened but did not know whether or not to believe it. Do you have a source for that interview?

      Conflict of Interest and Appearance of Wrong-doing must be at an all time high in Aruba. People who do not realize this have some seriously flawed morals and ethics.

      Why was Paulus, another suspect in this investigation, allowed to visit with Joran at all during this entire investigation? That is another thing that makes no sense. Even if only considered a witness, Paulus should have had no contact with Joran at all. Period.

      So many things like that were done that just defy logic. One begins to wonder if they were all stoned while overseeing all of this. Something seriously wrong with their thinking by any account.

    23. JusticeforNatalee on December 6th, 2006 1:40 pm

      “In my mind, these comments about knowing the truth should be all that Aruba needs to say that it has new evidence and to haul the three suspects back in for more questioning.”

      Richard, why don’t you send the above comment to Jossy.
      He appreciates people who write. I have even received thanks from him.

    24. Frank on December 6th, 2006 1:46 pm

      There is no conflict of interest in Aruba because everything is in everyone’s interest. This is not new information, Janssen has been sitting on this for years and has done nothing.

      This is only the perception of new information. I repeat, Karin Janssen has had this information and is running out the clock. If she does not have the will to make a case on what she has,her culpability is more obvious than ever isn’t it?

    25. JusticeforNatalee on December 6th, 2006 1:49 pm

      Even children know to call 911.
      Even injured parties themselves call 911.

      I don’t buy this panic nonsense!
      They didn’t panic for Natalee’s sake, that’s for sure.



    26. MIss-Underestimated on December 6th, 2006 1:51 pm


      I suppose you could laugh at extradiction if everyone and their brother have been incorporated into a crime, and you know not one soul will utter a word because a cousin, father, uncle, son(s), friend has a part in the deed.
      Once the cover up began the snowball of players began to roll.

      I really want Michael Dompig to explain what he meant.
      Why did daddy have to interceed for him?

      Just for the record The New York Case against Joran and Pawless was dismissed because of juristiction…….NOT because the Judge thought the perps were innocent or that there was lack of evidence or that the case had no merit. So when you say the judge even agreed with you that there was no case against the sloots you are outright lying. She said it could not be tried in NY, that’s it.

      This information was brought to you in the hope that you all stop the lying, which seems to be the norm as Mama Alpos said.

    27. mac on December 6th, 2006 2:06 pm

      Mortella: Everything they have done does defy logic. That’s why I say that IF they did search the sloots and found something do you REALLY think they would have told us. I don’t think they would have.

    28. MIss-Underestimated on December 6th, 2006 2:07 pm
    29. Robert on December 6th, 2006 2:07 pm

      #14. Your’e absolutely right!

      And the headwound we can expect when her body is found Nathalee got when she fell…. Yeah… right..

    30. Richard on December 6th, 2006 2:09 pm

      Kat_Gram (19) … I just did a quick news search, but didn’t find anything on the Kalpoes. Could I ask where you got that?

      Meanwhile, this is off CaribbeanNetNews: a bit dated, but it might be useful info for anyone who feels like going to Aruba and trying to track down anything or anyone. I’m not really sure what it’s all about, though:

      News from the Caribbean as of Wednesday December 6, 2006

      New detailed mapping databases released for Aruba
      Thursday, November 2, 2006


      LeadDog Consulting, an international provider of street and road maps, has announced the release of detailed island-wide geographic databases for Aruba.

      LeadDog maps support military, government, asset-tracking, and commercial GIS applications. Designed to deliver accurate positional data, assist organizations track their assets, and provide accurate base level mapping, LeadDog’s product provides numerous vector layers and attributes such as:

      Streets at 1:10,000 scale
      Street names
      Street classifications
      Extensive Points of Interest (airports, hospitals, government offices, etc…)
      Water and Landmark polygons
      Political division and borders
      “This allows our clients to immediately use data sets with a high level of confidence they will meet application requirements,” says LeadDog’s President, Jim Anderson. “We take the mystery out of the currentness and quality of international GIS data.”

      “Our Aruba data sets are comparable in quality and ‘look and feel’ to maps for the US and Europe,” Anderson explains, “which is a big issue for our clients, who don’t have the time to sort out different data formatting in every country they look at.”

      LeadDog’s products aim to allow GIS users to replicate GIS solutions efficiently and cost effectively across Aruba and other countries in Latin America.

    31. Richard on December 6th, 2006 2:12 pm

      Incidentally, also saw an article saying that the Valero strike on Aruba has been settled.

    32. Richard on December 6th, 2006 2:14 pm

      Justice for Natalee, how do I get in touch with Jossy Mansur? Please send info to me via email. Thanks.

    33. MommyTraveler on December 6th, 2006 2:27 pm

      It is time for the entire Sloot household, including all their children and dogs, to visit the Judge and stay with him while a search of that entire property is done by Dutch crime scene investigators and/or the FBI. The Aruban authorities cannot be trusted. There has just go to be something there hidden so well that Paulus and Joran feel it cannot be discovered. Allow their attorneys to be present so no false claims of “planted” evidence can be made later. Let the search begin now.

    34. MIss-Underestimated on December 6th, 2006 2:32 pm
    35. Mortella on December 6th, 2006 2:34 pm

      #28 Miss-Underestimated,

      I wish we had a better source for that information from the judge as that site leaves a lot to be desired if you look in all areas and might even be considered a radical hate site.

      But I know that I and others heard this very early on before it was posted there so I still wonder fi it is not true. I think we first heard it within a few days after the Non-Search of the Sloot property.

      Thanks for posting it as it is something I have always wondered about, did this judge really say that and if so, why is he still sitting on the bench anywhere!!

    36. joe bear on December 6th, 2006 2:36 pm

      Number #3,you are so right.Justice is coming soon.Freddy may go down soon,also.They say porn is a victemless crime,and we see how wrong they are.I wish everyone a happy Indepence Day,with Justice for Natalee.

    37. chris on December 6th, 2006 2:36 pm

      #19 Kat, where did you hear that they turned the Kaloes loose?

    38. JusticeforNatalee on December 6th, 2006 2:38 pm



      I just used the above Diario addy. I made sure it was addressed to Jossy.

    39. Huesos on December 6th, 2006 2:41 pm

      What’s the definition of “heavy battery?”

      Comment by Frank | December 6, 2006, 12:47 pm

      Grievous Bodily Harm

    40. JusticeforNatalee on December 6th, 2006 2:53 pm



      GET GOING!

    41. airgame12 on December 6th, 2006 2:54 pm

      What you saw was from the dirty police blog. Its all bullshit!!! They havent been released from anything, but what will be interesting is if the U.S. justice department is really being sneaky behind the thier back and fixing to extradite these little punks and everyone involved. Hey J2K, you have a pretty mouth, boy…….better get use to hearing that if they get you back here!!!

    42. mac on December 6th, 2006 2:58 pm

      Yea#19 Kat: Did you hear that they released the Kalpoes? If they did then Aruba is telling us it is over for them


      SM:   That information came from ArubaDirtyPolice which is a site known for satire.   I do not believe any ruling has been made public yet (klaasend)

    43. mac on December 6th, 2006 3:06 pm

      monkeys: Thank God. I was on BFN and they didn’t have anything there.

    44. MIss-Underestimated on December 6th, 2006 3:07 pm


      Yes that site is racially charged
      I skim over as I do all sites that are considered hate sites.

      I find it peculiar that this site has this information about a Curaco judge on it. I had a stock of information stored on my computer but alot of the information was dumped on accident.

      I apologize for bringing the racial information here.

    45. vicki on December 6th, 2006 3:42 pm

      hey 44, hows your dog? Natalie was GANG RAPED you pig, not gangbanged….GET OFF THIS SITE.


      SM:   If you are referring to “mac’s” post it’s not #44.   Mac appears to be “related” to Kelmal and Gretamal ;) (klaasend)

    46. Richard on December 6th, 2006 4:02 pm

      This brouhaha about the posting of that information shows the merit of posting sources. Considering that that site, like some others, has attacked certain members of the Holloway Twitty family, I would not believe anything there.

    47. Richard on December 6th, 2006 4:04 pm

      Thanks for the info, Justice for Natalee.

    48. mac on December 6th, 2006 4:09 pm

      vicki, I say we stop fighting and calling people names like Joe T. does. Lets Fight for Natalee. God Bless you Vicki. Deep down I know you are a good person.

    49. Mortella on December 6th, 2006 4:17 pm

      Miss U,
      I just want to know where we heard it first because I know that information or rumor was out there before either this site or Deetch had mentioned it.

      We were told in all seriousness that it was the custom for visiting judges to stay in the homes of other judges.

      I guess like so many things, we will have to wait for an answer as to whether or not this is true.

    50. IndyDan on December 6th, 2006 4:25 pm

      When she “remained passed out”?? They went into a panic when they knew she was dead.
      Does this mean they expected her to regain consciousness after a couple of hours because that’s the way dape-rape drugs work. Natalee was suppose to come to in a stupor so they could leave her on the beach not knowing what happened and in a “panic” trying to make her flight.

      Here’s a little info on GHB:
      GHB starts to work after approximately ten minutes and can last up to four hours. GHB has a mild sedative effect and causes slowed heart and breathing rates, inability to think quickly or logically, physical weakness, and loss of consciousness. This allows the predator to take the upper hand and then escape unnoticed. If the predator overdoses the drink it can lead to seizures, coma, or death.

      And the pieces continue to fall into place. “Remained passed out” is just another sanitized way of saying what really happened.

    51. Meee on December 6th, 2006 4:29 pm

      Maybe this is nit picking. But what does he mean when he says he was staying with Paulus and Anita? Wasn’t Anita not there? Wasn’t she in Holland? Am I over analyizing this.

    52. dennisintn on December 6th, 2006 4:36 pm

      #49, mortella, the first i heard of witt’s feeble excuse for not allowing the full property search was right after the search was done last year. i didn’t realize at the time that another judge had originally signed for the whole thing and that witt changed it on the spot. i was under the impression that he was the one who originally authorized the search. i don’t buy this dutch law thing that allows changes on the spot. just doesn’t sound right to me. in this case particularly, it sounds like home cooking. not the first or the last in this case for sure.

    53. Maggie on December 6th, 2006 4:38 pm

      I happened to be watching “Imus” this morning about 8:30 ET and JoeT came on. I never watch or listen to him, he talks about out of both sides of his mouth. First they showed an old picture of him and asked him if he had a face lift, because the wrinkles were gone, he denied it. At the end of his segment. Imus said you represent the one who killed Natalee Holloway. Joe jumped in with, I don’t represent anyone who killed Natalee Holloway, the cops are looking at other people now, not him. He failed to say he’s still a suspect and the number 1 suspect. Imus just said Oh, because I don’t think he bought it. Imus then said you represented organized crime people right and then Imus said thugs, and JoeT said I know better than to call them thugs, as if they would come after him if he did. He said how about we talk about I have a new firm or about Rosemary and he was told his time was up. Why don’t they ever put anyone on to argue against the stuff he says. You need boots to listen to it.

    54. minnesota dad on December 6th, 2006 4:45 pm

      Mortella (#49),

      Whether that is the custom or not for a judge to stay at a home…this whole point has been my main beef with this cover-up.

      NO JUDGE should have been on this case that had a relationship in any way with Paulus. They should have flown someone in from the Netherlands due to the problems with this case involving a justice official.

      This whole case comes down to this — PAULUS IS YOUR PERP –the rulings made by judges to protect and insulate Paulus, with admitted CONFLICT OF INTEREST should be VOIDED.

      I do not know Dutch Law, but there has to be allowances in place to negate a judges rulings if that judge was making those rulings with overwhelming conflict of interest. In the states, it is called a VOID JUDGEMENT. Any Dutch folks with Dutch law knowledge want to educate us on this?

      Why haven’t the Dutch Investigators Voided the judgements against Paulus? I think I know the answer….they want this to go away too. Come on Dutch….we are waiting. Bring Paulus the Perp back into this case. This is the first step that needs to be taken in resolving this case and they are not doing it.


    55. Laura on December 6th, 2006 4:54 pm

      Mac, you can change your name a million times, but it still does not change who you are or the hurtful things you say to offend Natalee or anyone on this site. You are no better than Joran or the K2 brothers! Why do you continue to post here?

    56. eegats on December 6th, 2006 5:11 pm

      Thay can not and will not extradite to the US.There is no jurisdiction (much less evidence)…If they are going to prosecute it has to be within the Kingdom.(I doubt Israel can prosecute OJ)

    57. tuyvnsurvivor on December 6th, 2006 5:17 pm

      Look how many violations of trust are involved in Natalees demize. From the 3 punks, a judge, judge wantabee/couple groups of parents at the least. But it all sure has a look of going much higher on the violation of trust thing. Seems it is just me and others do not always agree, but to me violations of trust, failure to take care of someone who is found disavantaged to take care of themselves are egregious. With several individuals appearing to be so distinguished in this case. As we long thought many actors are involved, yet it is astonishing to me how many players there must be living out deserved torturous shame. This crime “is coming unstole”, I laugh more at Joe T.

    58. Kat_Gram on December 6th, 2006 5:40 pm

      Ok, I am ver sorry for posting something that was a ” spoof “. I really did not know and did not intend to mislead.
      But, in this terrible case, sometimes the
      TROOF is crazier than a SPOOF.
      BTW , I am still nauseated at the facts as they come out, like the Dutch Offical Case Report.
      “Now, Joran began to laugh ”
      What is wrong with him and his family and the prosecutors and Joe Tacopina and Greta and the ALE and the Judges and the posters from the bad smelly side of town ?
      Why do they want to show solidarity with a sociopath ?
      Some old adages come to mind, one being ‘Birds of a Feather Flock Together.’

    59. Bob in Florida on December 6th, 2006 5:52 pm

      Re comment 51:
      I believe that by the time the warrent was issued and the house searched (June 15th) that Anita was back in Aruba.

      What is so absolutely amazing in all this is that you have judge admitting making a ruling in a crimal proceeding under an admitted conflict of interest and the Dutch DO NOTHING. The Netherland Slimtilles judicary are still appointed under Dutch control…why hasn’t this judge been suspended? How many more rulings on this case has he made?

      Re comment 33:
      It is to late for any search of the Sloot house now…it has been scrubbed, scrubbed, and re-scrubbed…furniture and carpets changed (remember the photos of the Sloot residence with a furniture van outside (September 05?). That house was undoubtedly the cleanest place on the island of Aruba by June 15, 2005. Why else would the Aruban Keystone cops have waited nearly 10 days after the 3 amigos became suspects to even request a search. Proper crime scene clean-up is an art which can not be rushed….

      As for any requests for extradition or US involvement in the case…this won’t happen as long as there is an active open case on Aruba. Under treaty, IF and ONLY WHEN the Arubans close this case can the US request to take over the case on the grounds of Natalee’s human rights being violated. And this will only happen IF the US government wants to make the request (don’t hold your breath…when was the last time anyone remembers the US State Department caring one whit about a US citizens rights…I wouldn’t be surprised to see our government underwrite legal fees for the 3 amigos to sue the Holloway/Twittys for the mental anguish Natallee inflicted on the poor innocent baby boys because she so inconsiderately died at their hands…

      If and when this case is closed in Aruba is when caring American’s are going to have to start really screaming for our government to act in this case…get your letters to your congressmen and senators ready now….

    60. Carpe Noctem on December 6th, 2006 6:24 pm

      eegats Nicole did not get her throat lacerated in Tel Aviv.

    61. Carpe Noctem on December 6th, 2006 6:56 pm

      It makes me ill too…

      …that the Dutch legal circles do not
      step in and do something!!!

      Bottomline: Karin Jaansen thought the big, dumb,
      loud Americans would go home and totally forget.

      We may have some faults but…

      W E N E V E R F O R G E T.

      Forget that Natalee was drugged by the stinking POS
      Joran Van der Rapist. He overdosed her, with all
      that alcohol plus the GHB it must have hit her system like
      a freight train.

      Karin could have had these skunks seven times
      over for murder, rape, and smaller crimes.

      Yet another week goes by, and they do nothing.

      These are very sick people! Not only the lousy
      scum that violated Natalee’s rights. …but also
      the scum in their legal circles that standby and
      play game after game of “Pocket Pool.”

      Joran, Kalpoes should be extradited… but Karin Jaansen
      STILL WILL NOT CLOSE THE CASE so that can be done.

      She is a waste of human flesh.

      May the all get what they deserve in the end.

      If Justice is shut out on all possible levels, I predict
      they will all be targeted for assassination in the end.

      -Justice 4 Natalee

    62. MommyTraveler on December 6th, 2006 7:04 pm

      Re Comment 59 – “Proper crime scene clean-up is an art which cannot be rushed…..” Absolutely true. A friend who is a crime scene investigator said that amateurs cannot clean up a crime scene – they simply cannot. Even professionals cannot totally obliterate trace evidence. Trace evidence is always left behind. Paint, cement, vacuuming, dirt (burial), odors, etc. always remain behind. If Natalee was killed or buried in or on that property, if her clothing was stuffed down the well and cemented over, if she is buried beneath the dead dogs — a hair in the soil, blood in the soil, something will be still there. Something. Dogs can sniff out stuff, chemicals can determine other stuff. A crime scene cannot be sanitized ever completely.

    63. Carpe Noctem on December 6th, 2006 7:22 pm

      ANITA VDS:

      She said she had spoken to her son several times
      in jail and that he was going through “mental torture.”

      Anita Van der Sloot’s idea of MENTAL TORTURE –

      Telling the truth, while suffering at

      very high air conditioning levels. ROFL

      These people are simply unbelievable!

      ink: http://tinyurl.com/yd5z5e

    64. Kat_Gram on December 6th, 2006 7:37 pm

      Call it a day. You can’t stop it. It isn’t going away. Ever. No matter how many smary lawyers you hire. No matter how many legal technicalities Paulus finds. No matter how many high ranking Justice officials you know. No matter how many lies you tell.
      You have doomed your other two sons by trying to save this one. And their children are doomed too.And for all the generations that follow.
      This case is more famous than the Jack the Ripper case.
      The Sloot name will live in history.
      Proud of yourself ?

    65. grande on December 6th, 2006 7:44 pm


      Classic comment regarding Nicole not being a victim in Tel Aviv. Love it!

    66. viet vet on December 6th, 2006 8:11 pm

      Speaking of off the record comments, we were told were to find Joran at the International School on a Friday , June 2 or 3, have it in my notes. Was also told Joran hit Natalee with an aluminum baseball bat…in the head. The same man told me both stories and guess what, Joran was at the International School that day, hiding. He was sleeping over there rather than home,,, scared he was. The fine Aruba Police followed us to the school that day or maybe we would already have solved this case. Yeah Karin, a bounch of cowboys…

    67. Allan K on December 6th, 2006 8:11 pm

      Somebody arrest those scum. This is ridiculous. Just dig up some of that missing evidence. Paulus you go to jail too!.

    68. Skyboxx on December 6th, 2006 8:11 pm

      Check out my posts back in June 2005 when I called upon Anita to tell what she now knows about her husband and don. Dan at RWV actually banned me for that comment/

      Well Dano, what do you think now?

      Come clean Anita, tell what you KNOW!

    69. Skyboxx on December 6th, 2006 8:18 pm

      Tick, tock, tick, tock, time is running out. Whose going to crack first? Mama Kalpoe do you see what’s happening? Your boys are going to swing unless they speak now…..think about it mama, someones about to crack

    70. Observer on December 6th, 2006 8:23 pm


      I am sure they all were in panic that night. Would not surprise me if freddy admits having sex with natalee also. Whats amazing is you have 3 that bragged about having sex with natalee holloway and she is never seen again.

      Once again comfirmation of what we already knew. Interesting to see that deepak and joran were both bragging that they had sex with natalee. Deepak also tells one of his friends that natalee came on to him. Does it get any more disgusting?

      Well it does. We have blood on jorans shoe,blood in the back of deepak’s car deepak cleaning his car at 3am and the sloots with new furniture. And no Natalee!!

    71. Observer on December 6th, 2006 8:43 pm

      Was also told Joran hit Natalee with an aluminum baseball bat…in the head.
      Comment by viet vet | December 6, 2006, 8:11 pm

      I am sorry to say that they may be the truth. When dennis jacobs said joran was evil I beleave that tells us something. I mean this kid did whatever he wanted when he wanted and he got away with it. If they find the girl..”The police will see that shit” I beleave that is what deepak describing a major wound inflicted on natalee. It certainly wasnt describing a overdosed corpse.

      Sounds to me like the “Pimps”had a party and natalee was the main attraction.
      Somehow natalee woke up and obviously fought back. Joran has a major temper and most likely ended her life for whatever reason. Did she go balistic and Joran had to shut her up? Or is he just so cruel that he would bash a unconscious person in the head? Everything points to a head injury,being raped while being unconscious by several people and juron commiting the most dispicable act you can think of.

      I can only imagine she freaked out when she saw the looks of deepak raping her. That is one ugly disgusting creep to rape a drug and uncoscious person. Then have the nerve to brag about it to friends.

    72. IndyDan on December 6th, 2006 9:09 pm

      #53 Maggie – So hence, everyone knows Joe is a slimeball atty. He even parades it with the greasy hair ‘in your face’ tirades on the talk shows.
      He doesn’t try to come across as a clean cut respectible atty like say a JQK. Rather he flaunts sleezeness to the scumbags of the world with enough money to harness their obvious guilt.

    73. Richard on December 6th, 2006 9:28 pm

      Folks, don’t you think that if Natalee’s life did end at the van der Sloot house, whether by murder, accident, what have you … that would be the last place they would bury her body? I could be wrong, but it would seem to me that anyone would think pretty quickly that they would have to move it elsewhere.

    74. Carpe Noctem on December 6th, 2006 9:29 pm
    75. pcot on December 6th, 2006 10:10 pm

      So now we know that “they” went into a panic when Natalee was passed out. Where did they put her after that to hide that she was passed out? Maybe Joran,Deepak & Satish left Natalee in a hidden area because they did not know what to do with her. Natalee then never woke up and died alone somewhere, but did not die in front of them. That explains how they got home so soon after only being with Natalee for a couple hours. Joran,Satish, and Deepak then went on like nothing was wrong. Maybe because they realized everyone was looking for her that they went back to where they left her and found her dead. That is when Paulus Vandersloot got involved and got rid of her body. Does this sound unlikely? Just a theory I just thought could have happened because of the “they” panicked when she wouldnt wake up statement.

    76. Miss-Underestimated on December 6th, 2006 10:18 pm


      Banned on RWV WTG, I vividly remember the moronic post there by Dan too disgusting to repost.

      Viet Vet,

      Since you were there and saw first hand, why wasn’t anything done to Freddy?

    77. Miss-Underestimated on December 6th, 2006 10:24 pm

      BTW Anita said they took her friggin camera in the search of her house. She was lying again?

      She called Freddy to get the stories straight, to see what Freddy told the ALE?

      Why was she crying? This wouldn”t have happened if you stayed home, those words from your son, why?

      MD yes, why have they not voided Pawless REWARD?

    78. Mortella on December 6th, 2006 10:32 pm

      #66, I am very sorry and angry to hear this. I still tend to think these pimps took photos or video of some sort. Maybe Paulus went to Florida very early on to try to get it back from Freddie’s brother the big Miami sleaze dealer.

      Now once that crosses into this country or US mail or internet is used, we own them and then we shall see who is joking about extradition and who is dead serious.

      Be afraid PIMPS, be very afraid. You can be given a one way trip in a little private plane in the dark of night one of these days in compliance with an order of the court in this country if you crossed that international boundary in any manner either by deed or self or any agent acting with criminal intent on your behalf.

      What kind of male the size of Joran needs a baseball bat to subdue a 110 pound girl? Man are these a bunch of sissies or what! Woman hating Nancy boys all of them! Sleep with one eye open PIMPS because if anything shred of anything entered the U.S. system, we own you and it’s just a matter of time before you will be handed over on a silver platter and you can bet The Kingdom will be more than happy to be rid of your ilk. When the extent of your crimes are better known, you will have no place to run to baby, no place to hide. Count on it, punks. And I hope you have made our day by at least depositing the money you stole from Natalee, you know that green stuff called United States Currency?

      Ever hear of a harmless sounding group called the U.S. Postal Inspectors? They are the ones who tracked down Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid in the remote mountains of Bolivia. You in Aruba or Holland will be a piece of cake. Better hope that fake letter Paulus wrote never touched a U.S. stamp because if it did, you need to keep an eye over your shoulder at all times. They never give up, not ever. And they are not too big on national boundaries, either, for some strange reason. Just something to think about in the still, quiet hours of the morning.

    79. Mortella on December 6th, 2006 10:38 pm

      I believe Witt was the judge who signed the original warrant to search the property. Then he sneaks around and makes sure he is present to restrict it to just Joran’s apartment. Guess where it didn’t happen in that case? That leaves the main house, the part being protected at all costs.

      For a judge to sign a warrant like this then sneak around and void it at the last minute should be criminal if it
      isn’t. All those who pulled stunts like this should see the inside of a jail as well. If they prevented justice from being served, let them serve the sentence in the stead of those they protected. Only fair.

    80. Sparks on December 6th, 2006 10:59 pm

      If it was a conflict of interest for the judge, why didn’t step aside and let another judge issue a warrant for the search of the van der sloot’s property?


    81. Pearl on December 6th, 2006 11:40 pm

      RISE UP, NATALEE, by Hoop

      Rise up, Natalee.
      Rise up over the darkness that tried to engulf you.
      Rise up over the shameful deeds and sinister corruption that tried to chain you down.

      Rise up sweet Natalee.
      Rise up over the brutality, the shame and the arrogance that tried to bind your spirit.
      Rise up over the lies and corruption, the cover ups, the lack of integrity, the lack of honesty that tried to hide you away,
      that took you from your family.

      Rise up over the men who tried to slander your honor to cover their unscrupulous conduct.
      Rise up over those whose spineless souls and lack of integrity led them to choose to be bought upon your pain and your suffering.
      Rise up Sweet Natalee, over those whose greed and vile insidiousness led them to choose corruption.
      Rise up over men who have no conscience, men who have no integrity, men who have no honor, men who have no valor, men who are as empty as their corrupt and spineless souls.
      Rise up sweet Natale over men who sold their souls to the devil.

      Rise up Natalee.
      Rise up over those who cloak themselves in shame and arrogance,
      Whose slanderous words betray their vile hearts.

      Rise up sweet Natalee.
      Rise up over those who have no conscience,
      Rise up over those who carry no shame,
      Rise up over those whose god is their satan.

      Rise up and speak your courage dear child.
      Rise up and speak your truth.
      Rise up and hold steadfast sweet Natalee.
      Rise up and know our love will reach across the waters,
      Across the abyss of evil that cannot hold you down.

      Our love will break through the chains that bind you.
      Our love joins all our voices together,
      Voices that carry your name,
      Voices that shoulder your pain,
      Voices that lift you up from your suffering,
      Voices that raise you up, sweet Natalee,
      Voices that will not allow you to have suffered in vain.

      posted by Hoop @ Wednesday, May 31, 2006

    82. Minnesota Dad on December 6th, 2006 11:47 pm

      Viet Vet,

      Your comment brings my whole theory on this case full circle. For many months, I have been declaring Paulus as your perp and his home as the scene of the final crime against Natalee.

      The baseball bat fits in very well with the blood soaked mattress found just days after she was ‘disappeared’. The changing of the search warrant on the property speaks loudly of where the crime took place.

      Finally, the extraordinary effort Paulus’ black robed friends took to distance him from the case and insulate and protect him from further attention speaks volumes.

      Paulus is your perp. He did it…Joran (or Guido “Mr. Heavy Battery, I will hire the most expensive attorney in Holland to cover my ass” Wever) may have whacked her with a baseball bat…but Paulus finished her off…in his home…on the mattress.

      It is a shame. It appears that everyone on Aruba in law enforcement knows exactly what went down that night and they are covering like crazy. Shame to you and your families.

      Case closed. Time to book the perps.

      Is it possible to find an Imam to issue a “Salman Rushdie” fatwah against J2K and Paulus? This would get them talking pretty quickly, as it is clear that Aruba and the Dutch have no intentions of getting the job done. md

    83. nychic on December 6th, 2006 11:52 pm

      ok ?
      Have I Not Been Saying This For Months ?
      * The 3 Pigs Went Into Panic Mode *

      What To Do – What To Do ?

      Call Koen or Sander For The Boat ?
      Damn – They Don’t Answer !

      (pigs are thinking furiously): “We Will Just Bury Her Until We Can Think Of Something Tomorrow”…
      Too Bad Beth Showed Up And Blew Their
      Plans Right Out Of The Water !

      Only Problem Is That Paulus & Co Took Over Trying To Fix
      What The 3 Idiots Had Done – Which Is Precisely What Is
      Going To Hang Them !

      Thanks Jossy !!!

    84. Tazman on December 7th, 2006 1:38 am

      Disgusting. And paulos will do anything to save his son? Sounds like he was part of it. The judge too. All the judge had to do was go stay in a hotel. Conflict of interest? Yea right! The DNA of the judge along with the DNA of the other pigs was probably all over that house along with Natalee. I say hang them all!

    85. Mike on December 7th, 2006 1:44 am

      hey mac, johnm, amsterdamn and whatever other names you want to use,

      SC*** YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


      SM:   I understand your frustration but let’s try not to cuss as fellow posters.   I’ve been gone for a while this evening but will read back and check mac’s posts.   May be time to ban.   (klaasend)

    86. Carpe Noctem on December 7th, 2006 2:12 am


      “Now once that crosses into this country or US mail or internet is used, we own them and then we shall see who is joking about extradition and who is dead serious.”


      There has never been a more true comment ever made. That is absolutely correct!


      We shall see who *BE* laughing at the end of the day,
      goon boy.



      Stock up on hair mousse for that big oval shaped head of yours. You’re gonna need it to primp and stay pretty
      for your cell mate ‘BUBBA!’



    87. nychic on December 7th, 2006 2:32 am

      viet vet -

      Thank you for the info – even if it is very disturbing -

      I am sure you are limited in what you can post here -

      Do you think this baseball bat story has anything to
      do with the “heavy battery” charges against Guido ?

      Where does Guido’s ATV which was confiscated by Polis
      come into play ?

      And what is most sickening – the thought of Joran just
      snoring away in the school sick room – and that being
      allowed by the headmaster of the school upon the request
      of Paulus –

      …wonder how Paulus knew the MB group was
      on their way to the school ??

    88. viet vet on December 7th, 2006 2:33 am

      #76, Miss-underestimated, the reason nothing was done to Freddy is same as the whole mess. They never intended to prosecute J2K and Paulus and Joran’s seedy friends. Everyone involved in the investigation was very rude to us and the immediate family. They would not impound the car, search the van der Sloot residence and follow up on any clues we uncovered. Any good info you took to them was destroyed. It was like the old World War II movies about the Nazis. They ran the investigation and they were answerable to no one. It was rigged from day one, and when it is all over bet they use the old line, “we only followed orders”. Anything I can tell you about how we were treated is much worse than I can explain. So if it sounds bad, you have to multiply by 10. These people were liars, cheats, looking for payoffs, and loyal to the few who put them in power. Do not expect them to prosecute, Karin Jansen will resign first. She is a friend to the Van der Sloots. All of us in the U.S. should stay far away for Aruba and all the Carib. area. They do no like us and never have, it is jealousy that fuels their dislike. So now we have learned hate them and boycott them till we get justice. We will never stop. Never…Someone will eventually talk and then, many will pay the debt they owe Natalee and the world.

    89. viet vet on December 7th, 2006 2:36 am

      One thing I should add, there were some good Arubans who are paying for something they had nothing to do with. That is the pity of war.

    90. Richard on December 7th, 2006 6:16 am

      Let’s hope so, Carpe Noctem. But if this is going to happen, I wish our government would get its head out of the sand and start doing something … and let it be known.

      More than a year and a half, and it seems that our government could care less that an American citizen has vanished in Aruba.

    91. Pearl on December 7th, 2006 8:07 am

      This case will be solved.


      It will take men and women of honor, men and women with a conscience, men and women who have integrity, honor and a reverence for the truth to claim NATALEE HOLLOWAY’S RIGHT TO JUSTICE AND TO HER TRUTH!

      Aruba cannot bury this child’s voice and she continues to speak inspite of the cruelty and brutality she suffered!

      Aruba cannot bury this child’s truth and she rises above the disgraceful conduct of men and women entrusted with upholding her truth on the island of Aruba!

      Aruba cannot silence this child’s cries for her freedom because inspite of all the hateful assailing remarks made about her by the killers, rapists and co-conspirators, despite all the filthy lies and unscrupulous obstructions of justice inflicted upon this child and her family, despite all the degrading attempts to assault her mother, her father and her family, THIS CHILD’S TRUTH WILL NOT BE SILENCED!

      Each of you has the potential to become a VOICE for Natalee’s TRUTH.


    92. Nonnabella on December 7th, 2006 8:24 am

      Why would a judge stay at a house that he himself issued a search warrant for? Its not like he didn’t “know they were coming”. Something is wrong here.

    93. MIss-Underestimated on December 7th, 2006 9:06 am

      Viet Vet,

      I remember that Beth stated that what she knows would shock us, and as these statements come out, and the printed words of the Authorities on the island only backs up what Beth has said all long. I am glad you are here to tell us what Beth, her family and friends faced in Aruba. Most of all we are all here for Natalee so that justice will be served for her.

      I have said all long that the ALE, the Aruban press and spokespersons are the ones responsible for the ruination of Aruba, they sacrificed the entire island of innocent citizens to protect the guilty, I think dirty hands has long fingers, contaminating all that he touches.

      I understand that Karin worked with Lawless; I remember another poster continually posting that Janssen should recuse herself.

      It is strange that this case is so obvious; I am hoping that DeVries is successful in solving this case.
      Help sometimes comes from the most unusual places.

      Thanks for posting here.

    94. boywonder on December 7th, 2006 9:12 am

      DeVries needs to talk with the treehut boys….back in Deventer…althought Metzegel and D-style are probably still sweating it in Aruba

    95. Brenda T. on December 7th, 2006 9:30 am

      Post #5,

      Oh yes! It certainly would have been a conflict of interest! That judge would have to find another place to stay if he did anything to indict his good buddy.

      Also, makes me wonder who has more “power”…daddy VDS or that judge? More interesting, was that judge in on what happened that night as well?

      This is so deep it is unbearable.


    96. viet vet on December 7th, 2006 9:38 am

      #87, nychic. They knew every move we made. Our cell phones were monitored, we were followed and some of the people supposedly helping us actually worked for the other side. ie..Charles Croes, Julia Renfro. They followed us and said they would help all they could. Originally that may have been true, but there is no doubt the ALE and higher government officials got to them. Early, very early I think the ALE and tourism dept. got together to cover this up for the good of Aruba and their friend Paulus. It has backfired, don’t you know they read this site and it most certainly gives them the shakes. They have accomplished the reverse of what they wanted. Aruba is only going to go further down. I bet food costs and drinks are out of site. Those who go there, better take a canteen.

    97. Brenda T. on December 7th, 2006 9:43 am

      Ummm…#56….Nicole was not an Israeli citizen (by the way).

      If YOU or a loved one were murdered in another country, wouldn’t you like to see that person brought to justice. Even if it meant forcing them to be brought here? Otherwise, you’d be flying back and forth forever like poor Beth was forced to do.

      You may be correct about no jurisdication, but I do believe you’d prefer to keep hope alive that the murders would be brought closer to home to face their deed.


    98. JusticeforNatalee on December 7th, 2006 9:50 am


      You are entitled to your theory but it raises questions:

      1) If J2K left an unconscious/in distress Natalee somewhere, why didn’t they call for help? They could have called anonymously and reported a girl in distress.

      2) The statement “If they find the girl, they will see the **it” implies to me that J2K were concerned about date-rape drugs or injuries being detected.

    99. JusticeforNatalee on December 7th, 2006 9:54 am


      WAKE UP!




    100. MIss-Underestimated on December 7th, 2006 10:07 am

      “If they find the girl (alive) I will laugh”
      “No body no case”

      Why laugh, someone is so sure Natalee would not be found.

      Sounds like they mean the same thing but different verbage, she would not be found.


    101. Katablog.com on December 7th, 2006 10:45 am

      I am convinced that sooner or later the favors Paulus can bestow will run out or simply not be enough. The pressure on Aruba brought by Americans refusing to go IS and WILL work. It takes time but eventually someone will rat the rest out. There are far too many people involved in the cover-up to believe otherwise.

    102. vicki on December 7th, 2006 11:04 am

      Viet vet, My heart just breaks hearing the pain in your words. I cant imagine what Beth and Dave feel…This is just so disgusting it makes me sick to my heart. I will tell Natalees story whereever I go. My children and friends and grandkids will tell Natalees story.LIERUBA will never recover and We will have Justice for Natalee. Someone is going to off the PIMPS and their filthy FATHERS. I personally cant wait.

    103. another on December 7th, 2006 11:05 am

      There are some interesting points raised today on this thread…But the most intriguing is the idea that the US could extradite the principal suspects in this case.

      I never thought of this before but this is NOT without a precedence…

      Remember Manuel Noriega? The strongman of Panama? He was indicted by a Grand jury in the US regarding money laundering and drug trafficing issues…then US forces invaded Panama and arrested him and brought him back to the US to stand trial where he was subsequently convicted.

      Now, let’s assume for arguments sake that there is the possibiity of “human trafficing” or that the use of drugs from drug trafficers is somehow involved in all of this as well…or a combination of several of these elements…

      I remember that it has long been assumed that one of the people who jumped to Beth’s aid when she first arrived was a US drug enforcement agent.

      This talk from a Dutch police officer makes me wonder if, indeed, there might actually be some behind the scenes activity going on that would lead them to believe that the US might be involved in a Grand Jury Investigation that ultimately might reach out — as in the case of Noriega to bring certain suspects to the US to face charges, much like Noriega did.

      This certainly gives us all more fodder to consider…

    104. MIss-Underestimated on December 7th, 2006 11:05 am

      101. I hope someday, one of those who know what happened to Natalee , will look at their daughter(s) or granddaughter(s) and see Natalee Hollway in them, and realize that this can happen to her and do I really want this to happen again?

    105. another on December 7th, 2006 11:24 am

      Here is what got Noriega…If there is any connection between certain governmental officials in Aruba and the alleged drug and human trafficing rumors there that have surfaced from the very beginnng you might see similar types of charges? I don’t know but well worth the read, perhaps…

      The district court entered convictions against Noriega for: conspiracy to commit racketeering in violation of 18 U.S.C. Â §(s) 1962(d); racketeering in violation of 18 U.S.C. Â §(s) 2, 1962(c); conspiracy to import and to distribute cocaine in violation of 21 U.S.C. Â §(s) 963; two counts of distribution of cocaine in violation of 18 U.S.C. Â §(s) 2 and 21 U.S.C. Â §(s) 959; manufacture of cocaine in violation of 18 U.S.C. Section(s) 2 and 21 U.S.C. Â §(s) 959; conspiracy to manufacture, to distribute and to import cocaine in violation of 21 U.S.C. Â §(s) 963; and traveling in interstate or foreign commerce to promote an unlawful enterprise in violation of 18 U.S.C. Â §(s) 2, 1952(a)(3)

    106. Carpe Noctem on December 7th, 2006 11:30 am



      I can’t stress this enough. Nothing else

      has worked! There apparently is not a

      Justice system in Aruba.

      It is a “JUST US” system.


      Karin Jaansen

      “I feel like we can bring
      this (Natalee’s Case)
      to trial by summer of 2006!”

      …yeah, right Karin…


      Tell us another knee slapper.

      We will not let this go!

      We will never forget about JUSTICE 4 NATALEE.



      FACE IN THE MARRIOTT 510-24 that I see.



      FACE IN THE MARRIOTT 510-24 that I see.



      -Justice 4 Natalee!

    107. Carpe Noctem on December 7th, 2006 11:31 am

      I noticed my pics are reversed
      from their descriptions.


    108. mac on December 7th, 2006 11:37 am

      I have to agree with Richard # 73 & # 90. If they killed Natalee at the house I don’t think they would bury her there. Also I wish our government would do SOMETHING. They just sit back as if they don’t care a bit.

    109. mac on December 7th, 2006 11:41 am

      I can see it now. Joran loses his temper after raping Natalee and hits her in the head with a bat. It is starting to fall into place.

    110. Carpe Noctem on December 7th, 2006 11:46 am

      How could they not get JUSTICE 4 this one?


      Answer me that simple question.

      **** THEY TOOK A LIFE ******

      Not even a trial? What kind of 3rd

      world country acts like this?

      In my eyes, ARUBA was built on top of

      lava, and crafted of stinking cat dirt.


      Merry Christmas, Aruba.

    111. dennisintn on December 7th, 2006 11:52 am

      the valero strike is over, but, according to amigo.com, the coalition of unions of aruba are threatening to strike over the implementation of the bot tax. union leaders are recommending that tourists be taxed more to relieve the burden on residents of the island. imo, their next move will be to install mini meters on water and electricity services to all the hotel rooms and timeshares. no since in letting all those tourists leave the island before they’ve been completely fleeced and skinned.

    112. JusticeforNatalee on December 7th, 2006 12:43 pm


    113. SL-Gloria on December 7th, 2006 12:48 pm

      Are you really comparing Noriega to the three main suspects? Noriega should most likely be comnpared to those he did business with, meaning the real powerful when it comes to business dealings in Aruba, both illegal and seemingly legal.

      Dumb proposal by the union. Taxes=Rate Card increases. Will Aruba remain competitive? Doubt it.

    114. JusticeforNatalee on December 7th, 2006 12:58 pm

      Viet Vet,

      The baseball bat scenario is indeed heartbreaking.

      Do you think that’s what happened?
      In other words, do you think your source is credible or was this just a rumor on the island?

      (I realize you can’t name the source.)

    115. mac on December 7th, 2006 1:19 pm

      On BFN they say there was NO baseball bat. I wonder if viet vet has his facts straight?

    116. JusticeforNatalee on December 7th, 2006 1:27 pm

      posted by Robin Holloway on BFN:

      I have never heard anything regarding a baseball bat. I just called Dave to double check and he hasn’t either. Unless it is in one of the police reports, affidavits or statements, it looks like this is probably just another rumor.


    117. Quinne on December 7th, 2006 1:28 pm

      Well the comment about the baseball bat may only be a “rumor” and probably is. Remember if you read something on the Internet you read it on the Internet. I get tired of trying to disect the rumors, poems, riddles, secret clubs and socities, bombshells, LARRY GARRISON’S, hidden pictures within pictures.

    118. Sharon Chicago on December 7th, 2006 1:37 pm

      I think in the end…there are a few good cops in Aruba who saw and heard all …and will eventually come clean…

      Their corrupt system is becoming more at ease as time slips away…they tend to switch to out of sight out of mind…life is good again…but loose lips will sink their stinky island…

      The establishment is starting to crumble…justice for Natalee will come forth…it is on it’s way….

      So you lieing, murdering, evil pigs will get whats coming to them…

    119. Tazman on December 7th, 2006 1:40 pm

      #92. You’re right. How could the judge even issue a partial search warrant while staying at their house? And, was he part of the crime against Natalee? Why didn’t another judge issue the full warrant? Why didn’t KJ insist that another judge issue the warrant? The warrant could have been faxed over from Curacao for that matter. The judge and paulos have “worked well for years”. I’ll bet!! “You scratch my back I’ll scratch yours”!

    120. MIss-Underestimated on December 7th, 2006 1:56 pm

      If you read Viet Vets post he said someone on the island told him that, he did not say that was in a statement of reported by the ALE.

      look at post 66

    121. Richard on December 7th, 2006 1:59 pm

      No. 100 (Miss U) … the way I read it is that he would laugh if they (the Aruban police is ‘they’, I presume) find her alive. They can look only on Aruba, not offshore.

      And if she was taken off the island, Joran may have been told that they would go to the final extremity before they would let her be recovered. “They” being … Lorenzo van Rijn and associates? Colombians? Who can say?

    122. mac on December 7th, 2006 2:03 pm

      Quinne #117: Yea but this story about the baseball bat came from viet vet. His son took Natalee to the prom. His wife went to Holland with Beth.

    123. Mortella on December 7th, 2006 2:12 pm

      What you post could have well happened. I do believe somewhere within all our speculations and theories, we have hit upon the truth of the details. I have always wondered how three young punks or even one, Joran if he was the only one present, would be so sure that a person was deceased. Know I would hate to make that determination myself so they must have had some access to the body over a period of time in order to be so positive as to arrange for or make disposal themselves.

      I don’t believe they would just declare Natalee deceased in an instant and take action but rather from her failure to recovery from a state of unconsciousness until possibly the loss of body heat was apparent or some other form of physical sign used to determine that she was in fact deceased.

      That charge of heavy battery made my hair stand on end when I first read it for this is a human being about whom we are speaking. I never heard that term before and think in this country it would be called aggravated assault or something else as heavy battery just reeks of horror of some sort or another.

      But in the Big Picture, we are certainly pretty close to what had to have happened for nothing else fits the reaction of the perps and those covering for them. One or the other of us may be closer but we are all contributing with our thoughts and input. We may not have all the details worked out but we do have the outline and are slowly, slowly filling in the blanks and gaps and we will never stop or give up until we do know what happened.

      So Jossy is to be on The Lineup this Saturday and may well bring his video of Dompig spilling his guts. Writing this down on my calendar as a must see!! And I do hope DeVries does a sequel for he has to have more than enough information not yet divulged to cover several episodes. He gets paid the same I am sure regardless of the subject of his programming so this is not a ratings ploy nor the greed of which he is accused.

      Thanks be to God that deVries has shown an interest and is helping out with this sad tragedy.

    124. SULLY on December 7th, 2006 2:37 pm

      KJ promised to take care of the suspects.

      The baseball bat story MAY stem from a different violent act of the Sloot boy. As there are many.

    125. mayan_moons on December 7th, 2006 2:49 pm


      That still….makes me….want them dead.

    126. Roy on December 7th, 2006 2:52 pm

      A bat does contradict the diario account of “They panicked when Natalee remained passed out.” Not to say that Diario’s got it right…Internet being Internet, who can tell Bill from Bob. But if the phone story is correct, that this MB kid got a call on his cell…and iffn Sanders or one of the other boys left his cell in Jorans room when Nat was coming out of her funk. Both stories would cause the boys to panic but the bat, the shoes, the head injury as opposed to “the boys just panicked” as relating to a drug induced coma or death….well, if one of these stories is the truth, then the other is a lie.

    127. airgame12 on December 7th, 2006 3:05 pm

      #66 Viet Vet

      Not to sound disrespectful, but can you provide anymore detail’s on this aluminum bat story? A lot of us over at BFN would love to know a little more about this if you can provide some more details. Thanks buddy!!

    128. downloadingd on December 7th, 2006 3:11 pm

      Minnesota dad,
      I think you have it right. Paulus is the main perp. I feel that it is highly probable that Paulus used his son and friends to bring a young tourist girl to him and his black-robed buddies. Every effort possible was made to distance Paulus from the crime, therefore he is the one that needs to be examined more closely.

    129. dennisintn on December 7th, 2006 3:15 pm

      a drug and alcohol induced coma takes 6-8 hours before death occurs. this time frame doesn’t support that as a cause of death. i think the whole drug thing was thrown out to test the waters for an “official” closing of the case as being nothing but an overdose. they cannot deal with the facts of life that the u.s. isn’t going to accept anything but the truth, natalee’s body, and imprisonment of those guilty of harming natalee.

    130. Meee on December 7th, 2006 3:18 pm

      http://www.peterrdevries.nl I clicked on Tips en Vragen to e-mail him. Might as well ask him for more help

    131. airgame12 on December 7th, 2006 3:18 pm

      Ok people……..the bat story is crap, and this confirmation comes from the high ups, so we can put that one to bed. Sorry Viet Vet, I dont doubt your integrity, but this one isnt true.

    132. mayan_moons on December 7th, 2006 3:26 pm

      Ya know the very first red flag in the investigation for me that all was not as it seemed is when Arlene Schipper & a few others when asked by Greta & Nancy if there was any relation between the suspects & the people running things on the the island, for example (Steve Croes & Theresa Croes) the spokespeople & the Aruba Press told us that its a common last name. No relation at all.

      What was the first red flag for you guys?

    133. Carpe Noctem on December 7th, 2006 3:27 pm

      Other possibilities could be…

      that they DID panic GREATLY when

      she passed out and/or stopped breathing…

      Perhaps she passed out never to revive…

      and guilty party/parties wanted to make sure

      that she was out for good before buried.

      To be totally sure of this. To clear what little

      these wheezebags have of a conscience. …and BTW,

      they have



    134. GutFeeling on December 7th, 2006 3:31 pm

      Thanks to Red and Tom for posting up to the minute information on this case. It is an interesting study in state sponsored crime (hiding a body).

      The Dutch boy is forever punished as his dreams of coming to the US are dashed and no decent person, male of female, will ever befriend him. He must also bear the guilt of what he has done to his brothers, for they will be steeped in this stew of sleeze for the remainder of their lives as well.

      The physical evidence must have been very damaging for the dad to have made the choice to hide the body.


    135. MIss-Underestimated on December 7th, 2006 3:35 pm

      121. Joran and Papa, in their statements make it sound so sure that Natalee would not be found,,,,,alive or corpse, sounds to me that Papa or Joran knew she was no longer alive.

    136. airgame12 on December 7th, 2006 3:36 pm

      Supposedly the jusge has made his ruling and the three weasles are to remain suspects!!!

    137. MIss-Underestimated on December 7th, 2006 3:40 pm

      Why would the boyz say she hit her head, just incase Natalee could be found, before the boyz knew that someone had taken the task to make sure Natalee was never found.

      Two times the fallen and hit head, at the Holiday Inn and at the beach, she fell on rocks, anyone remember that?

      Those pictures that Carpe has worked so hard to show were amid the rocks….

    138. mayan_moons on December 7th, 2006 3:44 pm

      Here is where that kernal of truth is used is used as the center of which to wrap a pack of lies was/is wrapped arround.

      Yhe Truth Part: (Croes) It is a very common name

      The Lie: We are not related

    139. JusticeforNatalee on December 7th, 2006 4:26 pm

      Where did you hear or read that?

    140. Tazman on December 7th, 2006 4:26 pm

      Why aren’t they in jail simply by the statement “they went into panic when Natalee remained passed out”? They drugged and raped her.



      What does it take for KJ to press charges???

      That is one scary island. Scary people.

      Why in the world would anyone want to vacation there when people can do whatever they want to you and aren’t held accountable for it. Not only that, but once your family wants to find you and find out what happened to you, everyone in the judicial system lies to you and doesn’t genuinely help you get the right answers. Then, they twist it around and blame you because you want to find your child.

      Tragic for Natalee and family.

      joran, kalpoes and friends need life sentences in jail. Their freedom needs to be taken away from them. Maybe they can have cellmates that treat them as terribly as they have treated Natalee and others.

      P.S. I can no longer capitalize the 1st letter of their names. They don’t deserve any respect. The sadness of the reality of this situation is too overwhelming.

    141. JusticeforNatalee on December 7th, 2006 4:32 pm

      Posted by Klaas on the inside forum. Hope I am not repeating info:

      Just posted by Linda on the front page of SM. Linda lives in Aruba:

      Hey Klaasend..how are you..
      The judge decided today that the 3 suspects stay suspects.
      So Karin Jansen has 5 months to come up with some new evidence.
      I really thought that they would let the Kalpoes go,but not Joran..guess I was wrong.
      Anyway ,have a nice day…

    142. Carpe Noctem on December 7th, 2006 5:30 pm

      Well, that is great news!

      Bless you Judge whom ever you are.

      That dilapidated old gas bag Karin Jaansen retires

      January 1, 2007!

      ( not that she ever did anything to begin with )


      This is correct, NO?


    143. Minnesota Dad on December 7th, 2006 6:16 pm


      Thanks for your compliments.

      From here, it seems pretty obvious how this needs to play out. J2K need to be charged by Karen Jameson for Kidnapping and Rape. The evidence is overwhelming. All three will get eight years in the pokey. Keep in mind, murder is only 15 years in the pokey…at this point in time I would take the 8 as a vigilante can get to them quicker.

      Once these goofballs are charged, they will begin to sing like canaries, bringing all of the pimp buddies in.

      Finally, the pimps will rat out Paulus and his buddies who committed the final act in Paulus’ home and has spent so much time covering up.

      The first charges are a slam dunk….its time to get busy. md

    144. dkpen on December 7th, 2006 6:34 pm

      If I remember correctly, Caren Janseen said she did not want to lower the charges to only kidnapping and rape. She wanted to go for the harder charges of murder. I think she said that if she charges them with kidnapping and rape that they can not be charged for murder? I know in USA it’s different but in Aruba may be that way.

    145. airgame12 on December 7th, 2006 6:41 pm

      Its a given that there must be new evidence that we dont know about, being as the judge kept these little shits as suspects! Now hopefully KJ will do her damn job!!

    146. Maggie on December 7th, 2006 6:44 pm

      VietVet didn’t present the baseball story as fact. He said it was what a guy told him and also told him Joran was at the International School that day and guess what it was true, he was there and hiding. It would go along with the story Natalee fell and hit her head. There was a reason they made that statement, I believe, in case her body was found. I always appreciate VietVet’s posts because he was there and he knew Natalee and knows her family.

      Did the security guards get freed or has it been announced yet. This just blew JoeT’s big FAIRY TALE on Imus yesterday morning. He said the cops were looking at other people now, and words to the effect of Joran wasn’t a suspect anymore.

      If Karin Janssen is leaving in January, I wonder who’s taking over, another relative or friend? They need to start with investigating Straten. He should never have been on this case, he was seen meeting with Jacobs after he was taken off of it according to Dave’s book. Paulus says he knows them all well, friends, and worked with them a long time. It was also Paulus who said appearance is everything and then went to work in the law office of his son’s lawyer.
      Jacobs needs to be investigated also.. He is every victim’s nightmare working at a police station and pretending to be an officer of the law.

    147. nychic on December 7th, 2006 6:46 pm

      once again – things get twisted…

      viet vet was simply stating something that was told
      to Beth & Jug’s group at the International School -

      More than likely – this story was passed from one kid to
      another and ended up that Joran hit her with a baseball bat -

      The real scenario was probably that Joran hit her to
      try and wake her up – (that matches his mindset imo)

      They may even have tried to carry her to the pool for
      a cold dip to wake her up and dropped her on the concrete ?

    148. Dayhiker on December 7th, 2006 7:17 pm

      #146 Maggie,for sure. They need to haul Mr. “I know the details,” Van der Straten in and sweat those details out of him. The cover-up starts with him and his buddy Paulus and goes up from there. Jacobs was his step ‘n fetch it.

    149. viet vet on December 7th, 2006 7:40 pm

      #146, Maggie. Your are correct, the same man who told us where to find Joran that very first week was the same man who told the baseball bat story. He was a school teacher but not at the International School. His information came from a student at the International School. As to providing more info, I really cannot. The identity of the school teacher must remain undisclosed for now. The Head Master at the International School said Natalee may have had an accident. How did he know this? Joran and Paulus probably when Paulus took Joran to school. When I was there all information from the ALE kept changing. They told us all kinds of stories(lies), but were very mum on what they had found. You would not believe Dennis Jacobs and Dompig early in the investigation, they kept telling us and Beth to go home. They would soon have it worked out. Yeah, just wanted us the heck out of there because the news people were coming in BIG TIME. As I remember 27 private jets landed on the first Friday and Saturday. All the major news people were there and they knew right off, coverup, coverup, and more coverup. I am sure ALE and the prosecution hate us for staying. Feel sure I can never go there again. Think we all made the banned list. But, we are not quiting, just makes me work harder. Just remember one thing, if Natalee had overdosed or been hit by a car, they would have called 911 and this thing would never be where it is today. They did something, don’t know for sure what, but if Natalee had been examined it would have been as Deepak said “15 years “. Joran evidently talked to fellow students on that Monday and Tuesday. He may have lied, but he did talk. I will never list something as fact unless I can prove it to you, but sometimes I will share a story if it was somewhat credible. There were some really wild rumors, we had those everyday and most of them should not be considered for our reading and investigating. Keep the pressure and boycott talk up, it will eventually bring out the truth. You monkeys rule.

    150. Waterboy on December 7th, 2006 8:10 pm

      To all.
      I for one believe Viet Vet. “He is saying he was told.” He didn’t say he believed it. I’ve read all his post from the first day he posted. He’s very credible and legitimate (salt of the earth). There are things that have not been told, but there are those that have been told that won’t tell.

      Of course Natalee’s disappearance is being investigated by a bunch of rats. We all know that to be true. We all know she was murdered by a bunch of slime, puke, low-life, demonically posed, scum of the earth, brave in numbers, coward when alone, ring around the anus type individuals. And—those that are covering it up are even worse, because they are going to allow it to happen again, and again. It probable has happen before X 3.

    151. Skyboxx on December 7th, 2006 8:29 pm

      I remember reading somewhere that Paulus and Karin may have been an item at some time? Is that true? Do they have a son together?

      Everyone sticks together in Aruba.

      Justice for Natalee

    152. mac on December 7th, 2006 8:36 pm

      I also believe viet vet. He was just telling us what he was told.

    153. IndyDan on December 7th, 2006 8:40 pm

      It appears the Sand Castle is starting to crumble. The DeVries investigation seemed to activate the launch sequence. Imagine what DeVries could have done had he gotten involved just a year ago.

    154. Maggie on December 7th, 2006 8:54 pm

      thanks VietVet, I knew that’s what you meant and always look forward to reading your posts.

    155. mayan_moons on December 7th, 2006 11:23 pm

      VietVet, i too know what you meant. You were there and have an insight we need. Like your posts!

    156. mayan_moons on December 7th, 2006 11:29 pm

      there is a broken handle in those last couple of stills Carpe posted. the face in a blue filter shot.

    157. dennisintn on December 7th, 2006 11:52 pm

      #l49, vietvet, i’m not the smartest kid on the block and i didn’t have any trouble understanding you at all. keep up the posting.

      also remember dr. baden on greta’s show said that an overdose victim takes hours and hours to expire. if she was on her feet at l:30, she couldn’t have died before noon. there was plenty of time for medical help if they had wanted to save her. i still think natalee didn’t want to play their games even drugged up with whatever they slipped her. probably fought like a tiger, jvds lost his well-known temper and killed her.

      i’ve listened to and read everything i could find for l8 months now, and i haven’t found anything believable to change my mind about what probably happened, and why.

    158. dennisintn on December 7th, 2006 11:55 pm

      i don’t believe the rumor about the bat though. why would a 220 lb. monster like jvds need a bat to subdue a ll0 lb. little girl.

    159. Sparks on December 8th, 2006 1:07 am

      There seem to be from the start Natalee’s head being hit. The orignal story of the guys drive her back to the hotel and Natalee falling out of the car hitting her head of the curb.

      I wouldn’t put it passed Joran in a rage hitting Natalee in the head with an object (especially if she started to fight back).

    160. Carpe Noctem on December 8th, 2006 1:41 am

      hey mayan!

      what’s up lady? hope all is well!

      I just wanted to say, there is no blue filter

      on that particular slide.

      Birghtness and contrast tweaks only…

      The vivid white-blue color comes

      from B & C adjustments


      We love Natalee & will never forget, ARUBA.






    161. Carpe Noctem on December 8th, 2006 1:42 am




      Handle Close Up 510-24




    162. Boycott_Aruba on December 8th, 2006 1:42 am

      heavy battery is a beating

    163. Carpe Noctem on December 8th, 2006 1:44 am


      The dead person’s skull caught on video





      Her rights were egregiously violated!

      …and we are pi$$ed about it.

      We will stop at NOTHING
      to get Natalee Holloway
      her JUSTICE in ARUBA.



    164. mayan_moons on December 8th, 2006 2:00 am

      Hey Carpe!

      I’m great friend & thanks for setting me straight on no filter used! For lack of a better word i said filter. We’ve seen it with the pink tweaks & the blue and plain as day ya can see it with no tweaks at all.

    165. Beth on December 8th, 2006 4:11 am

      Where are these rocks located? Are they somewhere near the beach? I have a hard time with the theory that Natalee was killed in Jorans house. I still think that her murder was done outdoors. I think that it happened at the rocks. I am not buying anything that the perps have said in their statement. I don’t think that Natalee was asleep when her rape and murder took place. I think that they tortured her and that her murder was not an accidental overdose.

      I also have a hard time believing that Natalee was the first girl to meet with such devastating circumstances. I think that this sick way of abducting, raping and murdering was something that these men did on a regular basis.

      Telling the story about her being on the beach, passed out, was just a ploy to try to say that she was in perfect health when they last saw her, other than being intoxicated. I think that they wanted everyone to believe that she was abducted and murdered by a stranger that found her after they had left. I believe that the three men thought that there may be a chance that her body was already discovered on the beach at the time of their questioning and they wanted to make their stories fit with that scenario.

      Upon learning that the authorities had not found her body, Joran’s dad helped them dispose of the body and in hiring attorneys and counsel, their stories changed. I don’t think that Joran’s dad had anything to do with the assault against Natalee, only the cover-up.

      They may have gone to Joran’s house, but I think that the reason that there is blood to be painted on the ground and the rocks is because she was tied to the rocks and was brutally murdered there. I think that all the injuries inflicted upon Natalee were done that night in the wee hours of the morning both during and after her death.

      I also think that the removal of the hand and arm are significant at the time of the crime and are not part of the disposal of the body. Remember the hand lying on the side of the road? Where is that road? Is it near the rocks and near the lighthouse? I think that these men had a secret garden. An area protected from sight due to large borders that were specifically used in the execution of these crimes.

      God, I pray for justice for the family and friends of Natalee. Give us the strength and let us never forget.

      Is there any way to pinpoint the area that these photos of the rocks were taken? If so, could there still be blood and other evidence of the crime there?

      God I pray for Justice.

    166. Waterboy on December 8th, 2006 8:16 am

      Where are these rocks located? Are they somewhere near the beach? I have a hard time with the theory that Natalee was killed in Jorans house. I still think that her murder was done outdoors. I think that it happened at the rocks. I am not buying anything that the perps have said in their statement. I don’t think that Natalee was asleep when her rape and murder took place. I think that they tortured her and that her murder was not an accidental overdose.

      To Beth,

      Someone gave me a satellite picture of the rock area, and it was great. I’ve given my laptop to my wife, and the bookmark is on that computer. If someone would put that photo back up, it would be nice. 1906, I think you are the one that gave it to me. It might have been Carpe Not sure.

      Basically, it is slightly off the dirt road to the lighthouse on a side road.


    167. MommyTraveler on December 8th, 2006 9:34 am

      If they painted over blood and/or other DNA type evidence at the rocks, they actually preserved it, not destroyed it. Locate the rocks, get someone to go out there and chip off a chunk that was painted, get it analyzed. Can’t believe that hasn’t been done yet. If that was the crime scene, evidence is still there. The only way to totally destroy it would have been to blast the rocks to smithereens. All of the properties the Sloots own should also be forensically searched – including all their rental places with cadaver dogs and ground penetrating radar. Natalee is in plain sight somewhere – Joran probably doesn’t even know where, but Paulus does.

    168. Carpe Noctem on December 8th, 2006 11:32 am

      Hi Mr. Waterboy. Do you mean these?


      California Lighthouse

      Bird’s Eye View


      California Lighthouse, ARUBA assorted pics
      and general info saved in my PB BOOK.

      open to public






    169. Carpe Noctem on December 8th, 2006 11:47 am

      The AMPUTATED ARM I saw on video

      was on video 510-24 near MARRIOTT.

      The video is showing

      the water basin near MARRIOTT PALM BEACH, ARUBA

      The amputated arm comes in to view very

      *quickly* as they change sides of the street.

      It is easy to miss, I think I never saw it

      util I watched it with my GOOGLE VIDEO PLAYER


      PIC LINK:



    170. airgame12 on December 8th, 2006 1:07 pm


      Greta’s guest was Jossy Mansur, Editor of the DIARIO newspaper in Aruba.


      Hours ago, the THREE main suspects in the NATALEE HOLLOWAY’s disappearance got SOME BAD NEWS. A live report from Aruba next!

      Eighteen months after she disappeared in Aruba while on a class trip, there are still no answers into what happened to NATALEE HOLLOWAY. AND NOW, the THREE MAIN SUSPECTS ARE SEEKING TO HAVE THEIR NAMES CLEARED.

      They went to court two weeks ago, and tonight, there is a DECISION BY THE JUDGE.

      Joining us from Aruba is JOSSY MANSUR, managing editor of DIARIO. Jossy, what did the judge decide? Is he going to clear the names of the three or not?

      JOSSY: NO, HE IS NOT. THE THREE WILL REMAIN A SUSPECT FOR THE DURATION, or rather the remainder of the time that they have…that is two years.

      GRETA: SO THAT MEANS, AS OF MAY 29 OR 30TH, they automatically are no longer suspects, but until that point remain suspects?

      JOSSY: No, they are…

      GRETA: I mean, they are suspects until MAY.


      GRETA: Jossy, what difference does it make whether they are labeled “suspects or not suspects?”

      JOSSY: Only procedures in the law, because if they are “suspects,” they can be picked up at anytime without much formality or procedures of the law.

      If they were “taken out or released as suspects,” then they would have to go through a whole “rig-a-mo-roll” of procedures with regards to the law.

      They would have to ask them to come at their leisure or whatever. BUT IN THIS CASE, AS SUSPECTS, THEY CAN BE PICKED UP AT ANYTIME FOR FURTHER QUESTIONING.

      GRETA: Alright…only 30 seconds left, Jossy…we gotta go. DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT ANY OF THESE THREE WILL BE PICKED UP AS SUSPECTS?

      JOSSY: I imagine so…YES, because the case should come before the court at anytime NOW.

      GRETA: Alright, Jossy, you know, maybe you are more optimistic that I am on this investigation..at least from a distance, it doesn’t seem like it is a very active one, Jossy.

      JOSSY: Well, it isn’t, but they still keep working on it, and we are discovering many things in their declarations to the authorities, we are publishing everything NOW.

      GRETA: Alright, Jossy, well, we will be waiting for the resolution. THANK YOU, JOSSY!


    171. Prima on December 11th, 2006 7:36 am

      I am so glad I have stuck to my family boycott of Aruba. This is what we have been saying all along: Privileged Dutch boy who’s father was pulling strings, coverup, corruption at every level, etc…

    172. Roy on December 11th, 2006 2:53 pm

      Vet: Just so you know, I believe your story too…I was of the mindset that just because Robin and Dave hadn’t heard it, didn’t mean it wasn’t so. I was just pointing out the contradiction between the Diario post and your story. My tact sux and I know it and I assure you, I meant nothing by it. Too many stories and irregularities for me not to conclude a head injury…G/L

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