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From todays Diario, December 4, 2006: Documentonan policial ta mustra; ABOGADO DI JORAN VAN DER SLOOT a PIDI JORAN ‘CASI NA YORAMENTO’ PA BISA E BERDAD (Translation to follow)
Police reports show: Joran van der Sloot’s lawyer asked Joran “almost in tears” to tell the truth
ORANJESTAD (AAN): Recently an investigative reporter in Holland made some revelations in Natalee Hollaway’s case during a special program on television, in which reportedly Joran van der Sloot’s lawyer spoke with Prosecutor Janssen and gave the prosecutor indications that Joran van der Sloot knows much more about Natalee’s case.
This show has made a huge impact in Holland, United States, Antilles and Aruba, because no one was aware of the alleged non formal conversation between van der Sloot’s lawyer and the main prosecutor Janssen, to indicate to the prosecutor that Joran knows much more than he has declared to authorities.
Van der Sloot’s lawyer in Aruba, Mr. Carlo has denied that he had any non official conversation with prosecutor Janssen, and that his client knows more than what he declared to the police.
DIARIO’s investigative team published some parts of the police report made by a Dutch police officer during the investigation, which was an interrogation between the officer and van der Sloot:
“The suspect (Joran van der Sloot) said, as I (“I” is the Dutch officer) heard, that he (van der Sloot) asked his mother to contact by phone his witness Zedan Arambatzis, to find out what he told the police”.
“The suspect said that his lawyer Carlo, in confidence, also heard the declaration of Zedan Arambatzis and that the next day, the lawyer asked Joran van der Sloot, “almost in tears” to tell the truth.”
“The suspect said that his lawyer Carlo informed him (van der Sloot) that the witness Zedan Arambatzis told about the Fishermans hut”.
“Van der Sloot declared that based on this information, he decided to tell the truth, which was that he left Natalee alone at the Fishermans hut”.
Analyzing what was reported during the interrogation made by a special team of Dutch police officers, who were in Aruba specially to help solve the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, any investigator would remark and ask the following questions:
1. Why did van der Sloot ask his mother to call Zedan Arambatzis to ask the witness what he told the police;
2. What did Zedan tell van der Sloot’s mother?
3. Was van der Sloot’s mother interrogated based on this information, which the police put on paper?
4. On which date, Joran asked his mother to go find out what Zedan Arambatzis told the police and when did the mother call the witness, and what did this witness declare to Joran’s mother, and who in turn told her son what the witness declared;
5. Why would the lawyer ask the suspect Joran, “almost in tears” to tell the truth?
6. What is the “truth” that is being mentioned in this case?
7. And about the supposedly “truth” that Joran himself told later that he left Natalee at the Fishermanshut;
8. If that was true, then there was no wrong doing or something so extraordinary that the lawyer, supposedly asked van der Sloot “almost in tears” to tell the truth!
9. Regarding what the lawyer heard about the declarations of Zedan in confidence, it is open to ask; where did he hear this story ‘in confidence’ and who else knows about this; and how can a lawyer be told about this ‘in confidence’ with Joran being his client and how much more information ‘in confidence’ was kept a secret and to this day Aruba’s people still pay for something that they played no part in?
These are just some observations in the most controversial case that Aruba and the Dutch Kingdom has ever encountered, but slowly has been coming together.
Posted December 4, 2006 by Scared Monkeys Aruba, Crime, Diario, Joran Van der Sloot, Jossy Mansur, Media, Natalee Holloway | 72 comments |
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Sung to the tune of When Johnny Come Marching home..
…..When Taco starts huffing and puffing again,
Hurrah! Hurrah!
We’ll give him a hearty bronx cheer and then
Hurrah! Hurrah!
The men will cheer and the boys will shout
The ladies they will all turn out
And we’ll all feel good when the Sporter comes crashing down.
Joran Van der Sloot is the killer of Natalee Holloway. He is purified filth. A real “Chip Off The Old Block.”
Mr. Carlo,
On learning you wanted to clear you’re concious i must tell you that i’m relieved that atleast one man does have a concious on Aruba. Do you have a daughter Mr. Carlo?
Does it disgust you to see Joran thinking he is a celebrity for the sole reason that he killed Natalee? Are you angry to see what Joran has done to Aruba & its people?
I picked this out of Paulus Van Der Sloots statment:
.
To your question what I mean when I said that Joran broke open the case,
I can state the following. Joran’s lawyer has told me that it was Joran who changed
his statement. Because of that the case is now broken open and now the truth
can come out.
To your question whether Freddy ZEDAN came to our house out of his own
accord or whether I had invited him, I can state the following. According to me
Freddy phoned my wife after he had been questioned by the police. According to
me he and his girlfriend came over to see my wife and he told what he had stated
to the police. I was busy in the kitchen and did not hear everything Freddy was
saying. Only at the end of the conversation I joined them. My wife and I were angry
at Joran, because he did not tell the truth from the beginning.
….
My wife planned to
confront Joran with Freddy’s statements. ….
…
That night we were going to have a meeting
with Mr. A. CARLO, this was a previously planned meeting. My wife called Freddy again
and asked him if he could tell his story again to Joran’s lawyer. At first he didn’t want
to come because he had an exam the very next day but in the end he and his parents
came over. He then told the story he knew to Joran’s lawyer. I am convinced that
Mr. CARLO did this with the best intentions possible
…………………………………………….
a.) My wife planned to confront Joran with Freddys statments. DUH ? When, when she was going back and forth visiting Joran ? Didn’t she say that she could not discuss the case with Joran ?
b.) Mr. Carlo also had some some of a visit with one of the secuity guards.
So, Joran needs to find out what other ppl are telling the police BEFORE he tell the TRUTH ? Whatever that was at the moment ?
Isn’t this somehow illegal ? Or do I not understand their system ?
Go, Jossy!
I wonder why Jossy softened “Joran played a major role” to
“Joran knows more than he is telling.”
I wonder why Jossy doesn’t release these tapes to the news stations here? This would prove he was telling the truth.
To all,
Does anyone have a link to the Clawson Report? The one I had bookmarked does not work, and I can’t find a link to it. What’s the deal? This is the kind of stuff I’m talking about just vanishing.
Am I missing something here? I thought Peter deVries said the Aruba police were now of the opinion that the three scumbags and Natalee never went to the beach at all.
And now this comes along? That a witness said that he told the police about the Fishermen’s Hut? This reported meeting of attorney Carlo and Karen Janssen was supposed to have happened in June 2005, I believe.
So how is all this to be reconciled?
I wonder if anyone is prepared to release the name of this Dutch police officer (I presume that this is one of the people in the original “investigation,” not one of the recently appointed “cold case” people?).
Something really stinks here, it seems to me. Remember, all this is coming from the mouth of Joran van der Sloot, who is reporting the conversation. Is it too bizarre to think that this talk about the Fishermen’s Hut is being twisted to cover up for something else?
And I hope that this Zedan Arambatsis gets some follow-up attention and questions … tout suite, as the French say.
This whole thing about asking his mother to make the call sounds strange indeed. If I’m correct, and the Dutch police official cited here was one of the regular Aruban cops in the early days of the investigation, this sounds to me somewhat like one of Joran’s many fables, improvised or otherwise.
He’s saying, basically, once I heard what “my witness” (I imagine that means a witness who’s on his side) told the police, I decided to change my story and tell the truth.
Quite a statement, don’t you think? Joran felt free to lie until he realized that his lies were being contradicted.
But if this indeed is from the early days of the investigation, then that may explain this whole Fisherman’s Hut business … which none of us now seem to think is where they really went.
So, is this Zedan Arambatsis the Freddie we know and love (not)?
Is Freddie a kid? I thought he was a late 20s porn guy. You mean to tell me he is a kid! An alcoholic Kid? A kid that makes porn? Maybe I’m missing something here. It’s not all gelling. Someone help me here.
______________
SM: Freddy is a kid, he’s around Joran’s age maybe a year or 2 older. He is one of Joran’s very best friends. Yes, he was brought in related to videoing an underage girl in a seductive pose. Freddy is the cameraman. (klaasend)
Forget the controversy lets move on and quickly. Natalees justice is overdue and her parents needs some kind of peace.
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He’s saying, basically, once I heard what “my witness” (I imagine that means a witness who’s on his side) told the police, I decided to change my story and tell the truth.
………………………………………..
or maybe…
ONCE I HEARD the story of how to get out of the crime
coming from Freddy Z… coming from ???
I agreed with it.
…because I have been caught with mi pantaloons down,
AND DAT IS DE TRUTH. (barring no other witness statements
are made this day, or 3,000 miles, whichever comes first!)
…but Antonio Carlo knows what Joran’s REAL FIRST STATEMENT WAS. That he played a MAJOR ROLE IN NATALEE HOLLOWAY’S DISAPPEARANCE.
Before Freddy ever showed up on the scene, being used as a tool to teach Joran his lines.
WHERE IS FREDDY TODAY? ARUBA OR HOLLAND? Why did he have a lawyer lined up like Deepock and Sasquatch?
-J4N
________________
SM: Freddy is still in Aruba. Paulus supplied Freddy with a lawyer right from the very beginning, prior to 6/9/2005. (klaasend)
Waterboy here is the new site. Not sure if all the old info is there.
http://arubassilence.bravehost.com/
Where does Paulus get the money for all these attorney’s?
“my witness” has told the story he was supposed to tell, instead of the truth, so now i’ll look like i’m finally telling the truth when i tell the same lie and have a corroborating witness. keeps the line of lies going, and he gets to say “”this time i’m telling the truth, and freddy corroborates it, so it must be the truth. much ado about nothing, which is all a.l.e. and everybody else has heard from jvds. he couldn’t order breakfast without telling a lie.
dennisintn
jvds may not have been able to remember which lie he told freddy. mama had to find out which lie jvds should tell to match what freddy had told.
dennisintn
Why did Freddy need a lawyer ?
Why did Paulus arrange one for him ?
Why did Paulus hire Antonio Carlo on June 2, 2005 for Joran.
Why did Paulus arrange for the two families, Sloots and Kalpoes to see Mr. Ooman on Saturday June 4, 2005 .
Why did Antontio Carlo see a security guard AFTER he was Joran’s lawyer ?
do you get the idea from the officer’s report that carlo didn’t know the whole truth himself at that time?
dennisintn
LIES
yapperz1,
Thanks I appreciate it.
Where has JQK been? Why isn’t he on TV?
Where does Paulus get the money for all these attorney’s?
Comment by mac
Mac,
I’ve asked the same question a few times. Basically, I think he has made money off of real-estate deals. Someone said he had many condos at one time. In the 750 pages on Natalee http://members.aol.com/worldJOURNIER/NATALEE/NATALEEtimeline.html you can find a discussion about this, and how someone said they saw Joran walking a dog (canine) on the beach in the area close to the lighthouse, and when ask, he said he was house sitting. Search under the word house sitting, and you can probable find this discussion. This was long before Natalee disappeared. Some say that the crime may have happened at one of these condos, beach house etc.
Also, I think he made a large amount of money off some family land that the government in Holland wanted to improve a dangerous interstate where many were killed. Someone said this is not true, that the government did not get the land. I’m not sure.
Completely unsubstantiated, but I have also heard that Mama Sloot has money. My opinion—she must have something besides the oblivious. I know, I know looks are only skin deep.
mac,
I’m sorry, house sitting, dog, condo—none of them work. It’s been some time since I have read the 750 pages. Maybe it was some where else, or maybe it vanished.
Some one knows, 1906 would know.
Jerry
To dennisintn,
I just remembered, It was you who said the Paulus land deal didn’t go through—right?
Where does Paulus get his money. There is a lot of money. Airline tickets alone for one year is through the roof.
here are a few more questions for you “mac”
Why were Joran & Guido always going to the VDS house
to replenish their gambling money supply ?
What was Ben King trying to protect in the VDS house ?
Why does Paulus have so many different bank accounts ?
Who is Elvis At The Casino who supplies Joran with a
gambling “allowance” ?
Who Exactly Is In Posner’s Money Laundering Ring ?
And Finally – What The Hell Caused Taco’s Meltdown ???
#22, you’re right, they didn’t get the land from the sloots.
people just kept getting killed at the intersection till they had to pick a less perfect site for the new road. what i read about paulus’ l0 yr. battle over this land was that less than honorable practices by paulus kept the city from winning the suit and the land.
dennisintn
nychic,
We have talked about Posner’s Money Laundering Ring. Sounds like a good (for them) source of money to me.
less than honorable practices by paulus kept the city from winning the suit and the land.
to dennis,
Has a familiar ring to it doesn’t it? I’ve always said that Paulus has a diabolical mind.
I am not as interested in knowing where PVdS’s money came from, as much as WHY he felt compelled to pay for the other kid’s attorneys. If my son and his friends were being suspected of some serious wrong-doing, and I was sure he had nothing to do with it, I would certainly not feel responsible for paying his friends’ legal fees. Depending on the circumstances, I may or may not seek legal advice for my son…..but I would think that the other kid’s parents ought to be responsible for their own legal bills.
Paulus Van der Rape is a real wheezebag, dirt clod, slimeball.
Joran really takes after the old man!
Carpe, I just clicked on your name. LOL.
Do you ever sleep ?
Again these boys are untouchable-JQK doesn’t exist,and Aruba is corrupt from the janitor to the head of this so called government.Amazing.K.J. knows of the meeting,Natalees blood is surely on her hands.Will we ever know?What a roller coaster.Devries seems to be our last hope.Let’s pray something surfaces,if it does,will it also be covered up? MOST LIKELY.
#29
I Believe PVDS Hired The Attorneys For Freddie and K2′s
So He Could Have Access To All Files & Statements
so NOW we have anita as an accomplice to the perversion of the course of justice by telling joran about the statement of a witness so that he can adjust HIS statement. is there no end to this deceit?
Hey Carpe, I’ve seen those weasel balls. They are so cute. I started to buy one for my cats.
So….Joran did it?They have 6 months to press charges.|Lets see if they do.If they charge him with murder and he is convicted, will we drop the boycott?
This “Zedan Arambatzis” is Freddy who was Joran’s house guest on the night Natalee disappeared?
Does Beth still have JQK, as her attorney any one know
NYChic (33), this is what I think too. The person who pays the lawyers, controls what they do. And if there’s any doubt in who runs the show, the lawyers on Aruba are likely to defer more to a prospective judge (which PvdS was at the time, and then there was no scandal attached to his name) who pays them than to anyone else.
DennisIntl, I think you’re right. This was still early on in the case, but Joran’s propensity for coming up with lies is evident. He had to substitute one lie for another, all the while trying to give the impression that he was NOW telling the truth. Methinks that if there were ethics in the practice of law, Carlo then and there should have given up the case.
However, we’re now looking at it with the perspective of a year and a half of Aruban slime. The local perceptions must have been different when the whole thing began.
(I say perceptions, not reality.)
And there are questions here as to where the vdS clan got the money for all the lawyers. Back to an idea I had way back when … if the drug gangs have a lot of input into the workings of Aruba (they like tourist businesses and casinos, which help them launder money), who better for them to corrupt (and pay off) than a judge in training?
I hope that Jossy Mansur will let it be known just who this police officer was. Of course, that officer may then deny the whole thing.
Carpe, I just clicked on your name. LOL.
Do you ever sleep ?
Comment by Kat_Gram | December 4, 2006, 11:46 pm
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Hey Kat,
LOL
I dozed off in early 2006, in February, but just for a minute. It was when those gosh awful Van der sloots were trying to sell me on what a wonderful son they have
on Good Morning America.
Behold the power of the weasel! -J4N-
Judy, starting but not finishing? You tease!
NYCHIC…you are right.
Brenda
Diario … Joran van der Sloot’s lawyer, Carlo, asked Joran “almost in tears” to tell the truth
So who was almost in tears? Joran or his lawyer? My bet–not Joran.
So the whole family lies, all their friends lie and the whole ALE and justice system lie. Seems to me if this was a simple accidental death, it would have came out, if this was a murder,just murder it would have came out. The very fact that even the ALE has changed their theories makes me believe that something larger than just a murder or accident is the cause of not finding Natalee Holloway.
I had a fitful night last, this no body no corpse statement says it all. Now if I knew someone was the last one seen with someone missing I might say, I hope they find Natalee alive or find her body to PROVE you were not involved. But hell I am no judge in training. What the hell happened that they wished/wanted Natalee not to be found, body or otherwise?
What would be so telling?
Joe may wanna try yoga,that works wonders for anger.
Can Anita be arrested for interferring with an investigation? Hey Arleen , what about that?
I know for sure one of the hardest things parents have to do is to follow through with “no”. Can’t you see this with Joran; his parents simply never said “no”.
From an early age, they created a monster. They didn’t want to hurt his self-worth by saying no. He learned early that he deserved good things, that he was the center of the universe. They created and artificial world for him. Joran feels that he is entitled. When he crossed paths with someone who was not willing grant him this entitlement, he simply took what he wanted and destroyed a beautiful soul. ————
ATTENTION EVERYONE, mac IS A TROLL ITS KELMEL, JOHNM OR WHAT EVER THEY WANT TO CALL THEMSELVES…
What kind of community service did Joran do? Volunteer or mandated? A model student?
Devries should talk to the teachers and the students at Jorans school, there were rumours and statements that day after.
Anita did the ALE every give you your camera back, and Why TF would they take your camera, the camera that was in your house, because now we find out they didn’t even go in your house, was that another lie?
Locoman Pimp=Freddy Zedan Arambatzis
#48 Vicki, thanks for recognizing the troll and not letting me be the first to expose him again. It’s a shame that Red would let him back in after he insulted him before being ousted the last time.
Need an answer, wasn’t DeVries supposed to do a 2 parter?
Did I sleep thru it?
A source for the money paulos is paying attorneys and/or “payoffs” could be coming from any of the clients that he has defended on Aruba. Especially the governmental clients or high profile clients that want their crimes swept under the carpet.
ayfit & ben #32 & #38: It doesn’t look like JQK is on the case anymore. You would think he would make a statement in support of Beth.I also agree with ayfit that Devies is our last hope.
Carpe Noctem: If Devries doesn’t solve this then this is when we should take over. Enough of this BULL SH__. We can hire someone and torture them real slow.
NYChic,
there are references to an Elvis Kelly in Andre Montival AOKI Dos SANTOS statement
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=310
example:
On Sunday, May 29, 2005 in the evening hours, after the Texas Hold’m poker Tournament at the Excelsior casino I ran into “Elvis KELLY “, and his wife “Gladys” and we all got into my fathers pick up and drove away.
vicki: mac is mac. Nobody else. I tell the truth. If you don’t like it go FY.
Whatever… Mac.
Then only torture I would like to see is
the guilty in this crime forced to watch
Anita parade her tired flabby ‘DAWGS’
around in a see through
BLACK PIETER costume.
-Now that WOULD be a fricken HOOT!-
Hey ANITA,
I think I speak for every other
male on this planet, when I say:
Please, honey…
For the love of Sinterklaas…
and all other things GREAT & HOLIE
PUH-LEEZE…
**** DO NOT****
SHOW US YOUR BOOBS!!!!!!
Thank youuuu, that is all!!!
-Justice 4 Natalee
to vicki & chris -
I knew it was “my buddy” (kel)mac from the first time
he posted -
I am sure kel-mac’s comments are lame and weak compared
to some of the other crap that Red and Klaas have to see
on a daily basis -
kel-mac is so pathetic – he must be a messenger boy for Taco
kel-mac -
I say we just go ahead and start that slow torture -
Do you have any good suggestions ?
If not – I can certainly come up with a few…
Miss U (45) … exactly what I’ve been thinking for a year and a half. Something bigger may well be involved.
Two guesses, one of which doesn’t count, as to what my suspicion is (of course, I’m not saying that my suspicion is tantamount to either evidence or proof).
to NM -
yes, who is this “Elvis” ?
What is his connection to Posner ?
Why is he hanging out with Guido, Joran & Andre ?
Why is Paulus calling Guido to find out about
the $$$ Joran won at the casino ???
Does Paulus make the deposits after the boys
cash those chips in ???
things that make you go hmmm…
nychic: So I’m your buddy. I like that. Joey needs no messenger. He has dogs that do that.
kel-mac -
on second thought – why don’t we practice that
slow torture on you first before we use it on J2K ??
would you be up for that ??
63 nychic that was great…what a disgusting piece of waste to be alive and breathing the same air as us!!!!!!
57 carpe you are sooooooooo funny.
Judge Dismisses Natalee Holloway Lawsuit
By Jeralyn, Section Crime in the News
Posted on Sat Aug 05, 2006 at 11:47:05 AM EST
Tags: (all tags)
Congrats to my pal Joe Tacopina who represents Joran van Der Sloot in the New York civil lawsuit filed against him by Natalee Holloways’ parents. The Judge, quite properly in my view, has dismissed the lawsuit, finding no reason for it to have been filed in New York.
The lawsuit was dismissed by Judge Barbara Kapnick, who said it shouldn’t have been filed in Manhattan. She rejected an argument that if the case were filed in Aruba, it would prompt a media frenzy that could interfere with the investigation.
READ THIS CASE WAS NOT DISMISSED FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN JURISTICTION, NOT EVIDENCE. STOP LYING
carpe noctum #57: That is funny. Very good stuff.
Dompig what did Michael Really mean?
Richard, I wonder if more than just three SONS were involved?
Can anyone give me a link to De Vries?
lol vicki……he is funny isn’t he?~
gotta love that sense of humor!
laughter is good for ya!
Thanks Carpe!~
Miss Underestimated (67) … You know my take on it; Natalee was to be the prey of all the “Pimps.” She might well have been held, concealed, somewhere on the island.
And the dirtiest of deals might have been arranged by Daddy vdS with one of his big-time drug contacts (assuming that my hypothesis, for which I have absolutely no evidence, is correct … that he was among the corrupt Aruba officials).
I am waiting for Carpe to do a little taco-pena colada
Richard,
Could be, but I think alot of non-evidence was really evidence,
That may be why the million dollars is not enough for anyone to talk. Let’s not forget, that unless they are a crown witness, they cannot cop a plea.
And of course that picture at the casino, with Natalee lookings so uncomfortable sitting near that old man.
NO BODY NO CASE coming for the oathed lips of a judge in training says it all, loud and clear.
#62: to run with the dogs, you have to be a dog. your pal taco is more of a bitch !