RSSOduber still met with Nicolai: To be a Fly on the Wall in that Meeting between Aruba & The Netherlands
As reported yesterday, All is not well in paradise between Aruba and the Netherlands, 
however, Aruban Prime Minister Nelson Oduber and Dutch minister of Kingdom Relations Atzo Nicolaà ¯ will meet after all.
The Dutch minister of Kingdom Relations Atzo Nicolaà ¯ (VVD) visits Aruba today. Despite all the tension between the Netherlands and Aruba, a meeting with amongst others premier Nelson Oduber (MEP) was on the agenda. “It took a lot of effort, but I am pleased that the two are talking again:, said Rens Knecht, Representative of the Netherlands in Aruba.
The tension stems from the fact that The Netherlands has asked that an Aruban loan for 50 million dollars from the Deutsche Bank be conditional. With the state of the Aruban tourism and their economy, who wouldn’t ask for conditions.
However, the bank has refused to give the loan after the Netherlands had lodged an objection. The Netherlands wants the conditions in article 29 of the Charter for the Kingdom of the Netherlands to apply for all loans that Aruba takes. At this moment, those conditions only apply to loans taken outside the Kingdom.
Full story from Amigoe, October 24, 2006: Oduber still met with Nicolai
ARUBA – The Dutch minister of Kingdom Relations Atzo Nicolaà ¯ (VVD) visits Aruba today. Despite all the tension between the Netherlands and Aruba, a meeting with amongst others premier Nelson Oduber (MEP) was on the agenda. “It took a lot of effort, but I am pleased that the two are talking again:, said Rens Knecht, Representative of the Netherlands in Aruba.
Oduber indicated last week that if the Netherlands does not change her position regarding the financial borrowing of Aruba, there is no need for Nicolai to come again to Aruba. However, the two met and talked this afternoon. Also minister Nilo Swaen (MEP) of Finance and Economic Affairs took part in the conversations.
Nicolaà ¯ met with Governor Fredis Refunjol before he met with Oduber. Depending on the results of the conversation with premier Oduber, Nicolai will go back to Curacao this evening. The relation between the Netherlands and Aruba is on edge, since Aruba wanted to borrow 50 million dollars from the Deutsche Bank. However, the bank has refused to give the loan after the Netherlands had lodged an objection. The Netherlands wants the conditions in article 29 of the Charter for the Kingdom of the Netherlands to apply for all loans that Aruba takes. At this moment, those conditions only apply to loans taken outside the Kingdom. Oduber stopped all negotiations due to the Netherlands’s position; also the negotiations about more collaboration between the kingdom islands after the Neth.Antilles disintegrate.
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Does anyone know what this Article 29 of the charter says? Maybe Oduber will threaten The Netherlands with his good friend Chavez again if they don’t give him money. Is it just me or do officials in Aruba seem to pout like little children all the time instead of grown men? Not just Oduber but Dompig as well and especially?
Face the facts Lieruba, you are slowly sinking into the ground. Your own backup[netherlands] doesnt want any part of you. Your govn officals are liars, your pm is a liar, as mama kalpoe puts it… we all lie. Im telling you all again”God does not like ugly” and he will make you pay. The end is coming soon for the wealthy in lieruba. You had it made, but were you happy…noooooo so now lets see you all sweat. Bldg’s going up and all the new changes going on as the trolls like to spin it…then why do you need 50 million. hahaahahahahaha.
Could it be that Aruba is BANKRUPT or on the verge of it ?
When your revenues are and have been going down and your expenses are fixed and you cannot meet your current obligations and you have no plan on how to increase revenues and can only cut the fixed expenses a bit, does the mathematics look like this ?
Joran + Satish + Deepak + Paulus = Guilty
Guilty = No Tourists
No Tourists = No Loans
Sink Aruba Sink
TOILET is a TOILET
Hey Aruba,
Why was Satish inquiring about Natalee’s condition?
Why did SATISH ask DEEPAK if JORAN mentioned “how the girl is.”
All three know what happened to Natalee.
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY
BOYCOTT ARUBA
Mortella, we could ask the judge in training Paulus what article 29 is but my guess is he wouldn’t remember.
Miss-U, he probably wouldn’t even remember where Holland is.
Anyone think that Oduber’s behavior is evocative of that of North Korea … the smaller the corner into which you are backed, the more you bluster, scream and shout?
Let’s hope that, as perhaps we are starting to do with North Korea, Aruba’s blustering and jejune antics will be recognized for what they are … and that the scumbags who run Aruba’s government and law enforcement agencies will be recognized for what THEY are, and treated accordingly.
One wonders whether the Dutch might be telling Oduber what they are going to do in Natalee’s case … and telling him not to try any tricks. Hope so, but it’s a long shot.
vicki. The end is near and they don’t seem to care !!!!!!!!!
kelmall and linda can loan them all they need.
YES KAT_GRAM!!! Aruba is BANKRUPT or on the verge of it. Sad but true
And the relationship between Holland and Aruba has always been like this. Especially with MEP. Holland LOVES the AVP party.
Aruba HATES the AVP party…well, the mayority of the arubans hate the AVP.
The reason why arubans like MEP is because MEP doesn’t take any crap coming from Holland.
I don’t like MEP nor AVP. But I have to admit that AVP was the worst. I think Holland wants to work with the leader of MPA, Monica Arends, in the future. I have faith in her too, not because she’s a woman but she really wants the best for Aruba and she is very intelligent. I hope she wins the next time.
Btw, how is everybody doing??:)
oduber sounds like a rebellious child. leave me alone, i can do it myself, you can’t boss me, give me some money, protection, and your name, but you can’t tell me what to do, so stop watching, give me your money. and it goes on, and on, and on.
dennisintn
arubaanse, hurry up with your school, join ms. arends, and make an honest island of aruba. ps: does ms. arends have an opinion on natalee’s case?
Hey arubaanse…Comment ca va ?
Sound like alot of political gesturing from the ” liitle man” you have in charge there. Naploean had the same problems.
I read a document, you would konw this, there is an agreement between Holland and Arubas re : Independence. And each was to put x number of dollars into a special fund, Holland on a declining amount basis and this was going to go to infrastructure support, health care, education.
At some point, all financial support from Holland would cease. When was Aruba to achieve this total independence ?
Do you think it will happen ?
Arubaanse, do you hear / know anything about Peter DeVries ? He is doing a progam / investigation into the Holloway case. If you hear anything over there, let us know. Do good in school there girl ! Go back and smarten that place up ! !
Who wouldn’t love the MEP party, they have bloated the payrolls with nanny state beggars, playing to a slovenly and uneducated audience. “the poor and innocent” are still poor and innocent?
Oduber’s stance is all for show, he knows the inevitable but wants an out when economics 101 finally comes home.
He knows the basic condition of a loan is that you can pay it back and Oduber can’t produce a new revised budget that proves it.
He threatened to retire early on and no doubt will slide away just before his complicitness is revealed.
Arubaanse,
Always good to hear from you!
arubaanse, Yea good to hear from you !!!
Bon Kat_gram
and you?
The total independence is set for 2009. But I don’t think it’s going to happen. I am afraid that Aruba is going to lose his autonomous status very soon.
And about Peter de Vries…I received an email from someone named Kees van der Spek and he told me that they are still investigating this case. He also asked me if I was in Aruba at the time Natalee disappeared and if I knew any of the suspects or their friends from CnC’s.
dennisintn:)
Trust me, this mess only motivates me more to finish my school and clean my island up.
Justicefornatalee:)
it’s always nice to hear from you too!
We still haven’t forgotten the SUSPICIOUS ROCK PAINTING near the lighthouse, Aruba
I wonder if Peter R. De Vries knows about that!
Justicefornatalee,
I told Kees van der Spek that he should visit this site to see the suspects statements and the rock painting near lighthouse.
tERVE aRUBANESSE,I wish you well.Do well,your country needs you.When is the next election.Joe
you can leave it to Peter R de Vries to light a little,or mabey even a big fire under the ass of the dutch police! he did it before and he keeps sticking it to their incompetent……well, lets keep it a little clean!lets say he embarrassed them on many occasions in the past!he is like a pitbull the more you intimidate him the harder he bites down.criminal or authority he doesn’t care!let’s clean those beautifull islands up!
who was it that said nobody else in holland would be the least interested in interviewing beth?
dennisintn
Me thinks it was your friend and mine Gretachild hahaha
interesting that there was a minister NILO SWAEN (MEP) of Finance and Economic Affairs present at this meeting and pvds had/has council Mr. A. SWAEN in the background during his June 23, 2005 statement.
Aruba, my grits, kiss them softly with this song!
Oduber reminds me of that nerdy backpack & orthopedic
shoe wearing nudnick that used to get picked on
in school. So now he finally gets to a position
with some power, he wants to enact his revenge on
ANY AND ALL he can find.
Much like the movie CARRIE, only completely different.
Nelsey, your mother is a one eyed salamander and your daddy reeks of Elderberries!
It is in ARUBA’S GENERAL DIRECTION
in which I choose to do my farting.
NELSEY – You putz:
Quit running that big flycatcher & get
some justice for Natalee, youuuu dirty rat
forked tongue bastard.
-J4N-
This is how we roll on NFL GAME DAY
around the Noctem household.
Kitty Noctem:
http://tinyurl.com/yd5ax3
-J4N-
This one is for you Miss U.
http://tinyurl.com/yetom6
Justice 4 Natalee
Boycott Aruba. -J4N-
who was it that said nobody else in holland would be the least interested in interviewing beth?
dennisintn
…
heck yeah, Dennis
You nailed that one! I was thinking that the other day.
These wheeze bag trolls are losing ground by the day.
EAT EM & SMILE TROLLS, you little whiny disease
carriers on 4 legs.
We have you in our scopes. Go to bed at night knowing this.
———
Your MAGIC 8 BALL OUTLOOK: Unsure Ask Again Later!
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J4N
Chris, It wasn’t me but if it brings HIGH ratings they will do ANYTHING!!!
That Bank is using sound judgement for NOT handing over money unconditionly to Aruba. Look at the way this government has handled the Crimes against Natalee. Every move they have made since DAY1 has been disastrous.They are a total embarrassment to themselves, to Netherlands, to their people and their own children.
CORPSE IN BASIN NEAR MARRIOTT Aruba
212a
http://tinyurl.com/yl3u36
J4N
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Hey Carpe!
Did you get the attachment with the email today?
http://tinyurl.com/yhyssl
THE HANDS
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Justice 4 Natalee.
http://tinyurl.com/yXb749
Hi Mayan.
Sure did! Thanks, check yours.
http://tinyurl.com/yXawto
AruBay
-J4N-
http://tinyurl.com/yduk5r
510-24 Basin Wideshot
http://tinyurl.com/y49rqt
510-38
Paulus & Joran depart Rocks site in a grey car.
http://tinyurl.com/yysjtz
…………
http://tinyurl.com/s8pss
http://tinyurl.com/rlfue
DEATH #171 MISSING A WEVER’S Funeral Home
with cremation capabilities
***missing from online database
http://tinyurl.com/fkyat
BOYCOTT ARUBA
down with the pig slops
Joran Paulus Satish and Deepak.
-J4N-
Boycott ‘em in to the dirt.
-J4N-
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more here
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more here:
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more here:
http://tinyurl.com/nbjee
Almost 700 Slides and Pics
35 Pages
BOYCOTT
Justice 4 Natalee
Carpe! post #33
That is the one….that took my breath away.
Body part found on shoulder of road:
Amputated Arm and hand
SLIDE 212
http://tinyurl.com/y5qXq6
Right across from 510-24 Marriott
Water Basin PALM BEACH, ARUBA.
Justice 4 Natalee
BOYCOTT ‘EM TIL THEY POP
AND DROP IT LIKE IT’S HOT!
————
Bonbini- to the Aruban / Dutch psycho
$lit throats responsible for thE ABOVE
SCENE.
-J4N-
Someone should sent the photos to Peter der Vries.
LOL Thanks Carpe
Sueeeeey Sueeeeey Sueeeeeeeeeeeeeey
BTW Excellent pics.
Hey Carpe in the photo on post 39 were you able to deterime what the stuff is outside the bag, to left and right and above?
Hi Carpe Noctem,
I can’t see any body parts on that pic. Where did you get that pic? In diario?
Just received November issue of Conde Nast Traveler.
(tagline: Truth in Travel)
Four-page spread on Aruba in the special advertising section.
Our “favorite” drug-infested island still promoting itself as the place to play.
Let’s challenge Conde Nast on its tagline and tell editors the truth about Aruba–the open selling of drugs, the lack of a competent investigation in the Natalee Holloway case, the dangers of the island, the drugging of drinks while police look the other way, the corruption.
As for Aruba being a “playground”, we need to remind the editors just who is “playing.”
Tourist women are not safe on Aruba, and Conde Nast is compromising its integrity by promoting Aruba.
Monkeys, back me up:
http://www.concierge.com/services/contactus
I just cancelled my conde nest mag. What are they STUPID ???? God Bles Dave !!!
#47 Justice, I just emailed them. Thanks for the link. Ill let you know if anything comes of it.
#47 : message sent !
All of the graphics and slides I do on 510-24
bother me in some way. I’m human.
…but THIS ONE MORE THAN others,
I so believe that
it is our NATALEE.
There are other parts of females in the basin bag also…
to try and throw forensics off the track.
Either 3 other females were killed with her
wherever J2K took her,
or they used hospital
cadavers.
These other girls were young like Nat… most likely
they were executed at the same time and place as she
was.
If it is Nat, like I so believe it to be…
She died from a small pistol shot to the forehead,
up above her right eye – slighly towards the
bridge of her nose.
———-
Instructions:
Download GOOGLE VIDEO PLAYER for free
Go and get the 510-24 from Aruba Silence.
Then use a screen grabber program and make
the screen shots for your self.
Next use any photo program where you can adjust
colors, brightness, and contrast. You will be able
to see what I am seeing here. It doesn’t take expensive
equipment or software to see it. It is all right there,
a simple home PC could duplicate what I have done.
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Justice 4 Natalee people!
ARUBA MUST FALL, it’s a complete disgrace.
BOYCOTT the snit out of them.
http://tinyurl.com/u94lw
DAY 513
Aruba is still a pile of a $hit.
Hi Arubaanse,
Look in the big red circle. It’s there.
I plucked it straight out of the 510-24 Version
run through the GOOGLE VIDEO PLAYER –NOT
WINDOWS MEDIA PLAYER — It made quite a
difference.
Carpe!
I’m completely stunned, a dismembered arm laying on the side of the road! Can you believe this $hit??? ON The Side of the road…..tourists all about whilst this going on. Good God just when i think it can’t get worse IT DOES! That they would leave a body part on the side of the road shows this is no aberration, there is no panic or fear even remotely associated with how these bodies are handled, for if there was panic you would not see body parts laying on the side of the road. T
jeezzz!all these pictures!! OFF WHAT! are they taken of the moon,or what?with pictures like these you couln’t convict hitler!!if you don’t believe me,show them to a judge.he will throw them of the bench so fast it will make your head spin!HARD EVIDENCE is needed to convict!not some suggestive pictures which are so blur that you don’t no if you’re looking at a dogs ass or the face on mars!i’am not saying there not what you say they are! there just not good enough!BTW why is natalee taken off the FBI’s missing persons list?
yes agreed dutch hog it is very hard to get
a picture perfect clean shot after a victim leaves
the VAN DER RAPE residence. Most young women seem
to leave there dead and in body bags!
Gettin a clean Kodak moment, it’s a bitch.
-J4N-
ARUBA –
WHERE GANG RAPERS AND MURDERERS
LIKE THE KALPOES & THE VAN DER
SLITS ROAM FREE TO KILL AGAIN.
Check out my new Aruban Travel Brochure, please.
http://tinyurl.com/nbjee
Justice 4 Natalee.
Hey Carpe!~
Any idea how long those 2 funeral obits were covered up? It is soo curious that someone wants to hide them.
JuaticeforNatalee, thanks for posting that. I’m going to try to find (in a library or something; believe me, I’m not going to buy it) the ad section that you mention. I want to see it before I write. And I will write.
Hey MM:
The hidden one is sandwiched between two funerals on 7/14/2005.
DEATH # 171 – No record.
…..
Aruba – You are so full of VANDERSLOOT!
& I think u already know what I mean by that.
Justice 4 Nat -
http://tinyurl.com/ykXkcb
http://tinyurl.com/yhX7zl
http://tinyurl.com/ymw6X3
http://tinyurl.com/ygbbdc
-J4N-
Hey Carpe!
Wonder if we ask Jossy who it is would he tell us? If anyone knows Jossy should.
From DeVries’s site
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=5310.0
Scroll down to Rammstein’s translation
Hi Mayan,
Check this one out.
WE HAVE TO GET
JUSTICE 4 NATALEE.
http://tinyurl.com/y9d93t
Hey Carpe!
I see the eyes……check your mail & tell me if that still is a darker version of the one in post#63. In the pic i just sent you i see three faces/heads. This pic is so haunting, please post it here.
To the punks that did this to Natalee & who knows how many others i hope you see these faces in your dreams Satish, Deepak & Joran & company. Watch your back for when you least expect it paybacks gonna be a bitch.
post#55
couldn’t convict HITLER you say. we see who is Always talking about Hitler don’t we…..Jipshit or is this Paul
http://tinyurl.com/yXyea6
J4N
BOYCOTT ARUBA
Hey Carpe!
Check your mail!
mayan_moons WHAT?