Natalee Holloway Investigation: Satish Kalpoe June 24, 2005 Statement

 

This is a must read statement as Satish Kalpoe discusses Joran Van der Sloot’s nervousness, Paulus Van der Sloot’s comments of “no body …”, and a reference to Freddy that is rather peculiar.

On your question if I can remember if during of the many conversations at Joran’s home that the father said “no corpse no case”, I can say it following: The father of Joran said it in other words. The father of Joran had said: “if there is no corpse it would be difficult to arrest us”.

The second time was when Joran, my brother and I took the camera to Freddy’s house. We delivered the camera to Freddy

 

Satish Kalpoe June 24, 2005 Statement

 

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  • Natalee Holloway Investigation: Satish Kalpoe’s 5-31-05 Witness Statement
  • Natalee Holloway Investigation: Paulus Van der Sloot June 23, 2005 Statement
  • Diario: Everything indicates that not much time is remaining for the Public Prosecutor to present its case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway




  • Comments

    105 Responses to “Natalee Holloway Investigation: Satish Kalpoe June 24, 2005 Statement”

    1. Waterboy (previously, Jerry) on September 23rd, 2006 11:48 pm

      I just went back to http://st106.startlogic.com/~cbandtal/ in the July 8 interview with Art Wood (go to the archived section). For those who have not heard this, and especially if you have high speed Internet, go back and listen to it. It has some amazing stuff in it. I’ll summarize what I think are the absolute most important parts that I gleamed from the interview. You have got to hear it.

      First, Art feels, like we do, that the case was sabotaged from within the department itself, and in particularly by three individuals first Police commissioner GERALD DOMPIG, Dennis Domico Jacobs, and of course Papa’s good friend police superintendent Jan van der Straten

      Another thing that I have not heard before is this: In October, Art and Dave Holloway witnessed Joran in a meeting with Dennis Jacobs, and Gerald Dompig. When they ask a lady police officer about this she said, “oh of course, he comes in here at least twice a week.”
      Art said that he and Dave meet in secret with the prime minister, and his mouth dropped open when he heard this.

      The third thing that just absolutely grabbed me is this: Art said that the girl who claimed Joran gave her date rape drugs and raped her (along with his friends), named two other girls that the same thing had happen to. In September, she dropped charges, because Dennis Jacobs threatened her. Art had two appointments to talk to her and her attorney, but the girl chickened out each time.

      Art also said that Koen’ GOTTENBOS (over 6 foot tall and 220 pounds) was so afraid after Natalee disappeared, that he was sleeping with his mother at night.

      One last thing, is Joran a scuba diver?

      Jerry

    2. para2legal on September 23rd, 2006 11:55 pm

      This island is nothing but pure evil. Really.

    3. Judy W. on September 24th, 2006 12:02 am

      Very interesting. So Satish did not pick Joran up from the beach as Joran said in his interview. Surprise, surprise! Anyone other than me even think he was telling the truth to begin with? And I wonder about this “camera” Satish, Deepak and Joran “took…delivered” to Freddy’s house. Video camera used to record their sexual assault on Natalee? And if so, who has the video of this? As we know Freddy was arrested for photographing…recording sexual material of young girls, so this would go along that line. I wonder how many girls have been drugged, raped and recorded during the sexual act by the “Pimps” on Aruba. Is this what happened to Natalee, except something went wrong during the rape and she was accidentally or intentionally killed? Sounds plausible. Anyone want to give me their take on this?
      JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!!! BOYCOTT ARUBA!!!

    4. nychic on September 24th, 2006 12:31 am

      “Is Joran a scuba diver?”

      Now That Depends On Who You Are Asking:
      According to Anita – “Joran Is A Sporter”
      From What I Have Seen All JoJo Participates In
      Is: Drinking-Gambling-Watching Porn-Drugging Girls, etc.

      ——-
      Looks Like The 3 Pigs Were Heavy Into Clean-Up Mode Up
      Until June 9th – Meeting Daily To Cover Tracks -

      Check Out This Great Time Line By SM Poster Shizaru:
      http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=231

    5. joe bear on September 24th, 2006 12:38 am

      Judy,I think you are hitting the nail where jvds needs to hit,on the head.His computer listed 20 other rapes,but no complaint,no problem. joe

    6. Kate on September 24th, 2006 12:52 am

      Judy,this sounds like it could be the way it went down. The camera details really seem to bring this theory together, more than ever.

      Wow, there aren’t many places on this earth where a “secret”, so widely known by so many, could ever remain uncovered for so long.

      Aruba is one BAD island, certainly not a place for tourists looking for a vacation in paradise!

    7. david r on September 24th, 2006 1:33 am

      I think Beth ought to sue those private Aruban tourist organizations in federal court in Alabama. They all do business there, putting out deceptive advertising about the “Happy Island.” Light them up, Beth.

    8. molly on September 24th, 2006 1:52 am

      A few weeks ago I stated that I thought that Natalee was in a porn movie turned snuff movie. I still think that is true. Therefore, there must be proof of what happened to Natalee on a video. Satish said “the camera” indicating that this camera was used regularly. There has been a porn king on Aruba for a long time. The video may be on the shelf for the time being, but I bet it still exists.

      molly (in Houston)

    9. dkpen on September 24th, 2006 2:49 am

      I always wondered if there was any connection with Freddy, Mr. Pink, Mike Posner and or possibly Steve Croes.

    10. Sparks on September 24th, 2006 3:14 am

      Judy, I think your right with the camera.

      I think the boys took Natalee to a house or apartment for the rape. They would have a control enviroment. The lighting for a camera on a beach at night would be impossible without flood lights. Joran could have giving Natalee a pickup line to walk on the beach but once in the car took her to Joran’s apartment.

      Why is Paulus so certain the police would not find Natalee if he did not know where she was or where the police would look?

    11. Sharise on September 24th, 2006 4:42 am

      I agree about the camera being used for filming porn. All the people involved in this case just makes one sick. It also makes one sick to really think about what the creeps did to poor Natalee over a year ago and what she went through when she was suppose to be celebrating and enjoying one of the best times of her life.

    12. Judy W. on September 24th, 2006 6:26 am

      Molly you just may be right about that. And it makes me deathly ill to think about that happening to Natalee.

    13. Waterboy (previously, Jerry) on September 24th, 2006 7:27 am

      to Judy W.,

      The “camera” thing is interesting. That’s what happens in Joran’s favorite porn site. Makes sense they would be imitating what they saw on the site. A steady diet of hard porn turned their minds to mush. It teaches disrespect for women—regardless of age. They actually come to a point where they believe the stuff is real, but if you ever read participants stories that have come out of the porn industry, they talk about the pain, drugs, and diseases-not a pretty story.

    14. Kat_Gram on September 24th, 2006 7:39 am

      Jerry .. post number !… It was Van Der Stratten, not Joran who was meeting with Jacobs.
      The interesting thing ( to me ) that came out in the Art Wood interview on Dana’s show was that Paulus got a lawyer for Freddy right at he beginning.
      This statment is the first time I ever heard of this camera. These are some sick perverts involved in this, including the police.

    15. Smish on September 24th, 2006 8:28 am

      I don’t know if the chubby sporter was a scuba diver(I doubt it)but his brother Val is.Val has won awards for his scuba skills………

    16. Smish on September 24th, 2006 8:31 am

      Hi Waterboy Jerry.How do you get Dana’s archives to go back to july?I could only get till the end of august.

    17. Carpe Noctem on September 24th, 2006 9:45 am

      These bass ackwards Arubans & Dutch…

      They are just a riot ALICEEEE,
      A REAL RIOTTTTTT! -Ralph Kramden

      My take on it: exaggerated example…

      ……….

      ALE INTERVIEW

      ……….

      Dirtpack Kowflop says-

      To your question of did I say to him

      “Shoot ‘em in effin head”

      I can say to you the following:

      I not once said shoot ‘em in the effin head… NEVER

      What I said was…

      “Shoot ‘em in the big effin fugly thing that
      sits on top of his shoulders and grows
      hair out of it!”

      :lol:

      ————————

      6 of one – Half a dozen of the other!

      These amigoes must be rocket scientists! Because they
      sure do seem to enjoy splitting atoms.

      ——–

      Aruba, get a crowbar today and pry your booties
      out of your SEAT, and gets some JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
      today.

      We’re sick of your crud. The boycott will continue!!!
      In the end you’ll be sorry. Why?
      It all boils down to
      math.

      RECAP- IN YOUR EXCEL SPREADSHEET pie chart under the
      section labeled USA: US equals 70-75 percent
      of the island’s revenue streams.
      With your biggest customer going south on ya,
      You can kiss the economy goodbye because even
      with a MILD BOYCOTT, your economic @ass is grass.

      Aruba, when you lie down with dogs,
      you get up with fleas.

      SNIT-CAN your murdering lying rapists
      and be done with it.

      Then you can get back
      to a healthy robust tourism
      business like in years past.

      Ask yourself these two ???

      1. What do Paulus, Joran, Deepak, Satish and the rest
      of the nudnicks do 4 me?

      2. If your anser is A BIG NOTHING, you may want to
      reconsider your position on the NH case. Because
      I guarantee you this nightmare on Elm street will
      not end until Natalee’s rapist/murderers are sitting
      in KIA.

      ARUBA DAMN IT – We’re sick of it. -J4N-

      http://tinyurl.com/p2fnk

      http://tinyurl.com/ofogu

      http://tinyurl.com/oghgg

      http://tinyurl.com/j5mnw

      http://tinyurl.com/rnt8w

    18. Carpe Noctem on September 24th, 2006 9:56 am

      OH JESSSSSS…

      1 more thing Aruba,

      Let’s take it again from the top…

      & This time

      I

      GOTTA have more cowbell!!!!!!!!!!

      Cowbell Video (rofl)
      http://tinyurl.com/ff7qr

    19. page on September 24th, 2006 10:26 am

      According to Satish, Natalee was sleeping (drunk,unconscious) and had her head on Joran’s lap in the backseat of the car. Then how was she acting when the brothers dropped Joran and Natalee off at the beach? Could she walk? How did she get out of the car? Did Joran have to hold her up? What did Satish think Joran was going to do with a girl that drunk on the beach? What was the plan? If she was that drunk, obviously they weren’t going to the beach to have a nice stroll. Why aren’t these questions asked to Satish?

    20. Mike on September 24th, 2006 10:34 am

      Is it me or do the suspects and the ALE do their best to try and dehumanize Natalee. In most interviews they refer to her as the “missing girl” or just “girl” why do they have a hard time just stating her name..It’s NATALEE….are they just trying to make her an object now to lessen their guilt?

      After 15 months of all these lies I just can’t understand why anyone would want to travel to this hell hole and spend their money. Natalee missing and most likely killed….Man found in cemetary decapitated…Dismembered body found in cave, oh and that wasn’t murder ALE says…American business man found in storage container dead…but once again no foul play. And from most accounts you can’t turn around without some low life trying to peddle drugs off on you on their “One Happy Island”.

      If I were the Twitty’s or Holloway’s I would be screaming to the State Department to get this mess straightened out or I would go to the press and let the world know that US officals are sitting on their asses also….enough of this shit, bring Natalee home.

    21. KELMAL on September 24th, 2006 10:57 am

      I also agree about the camera. I’m sure they taped Natalee while they had sex with her.
      Mike: I would also be screaming at the State Department. At this point it is up to our US officials to get to the bottom of this mess. It is VERY obvious that Aruba is NOT going to HELP !!

    22. Nut44x4 on September 24th, 2006 11:09 am

      Why any of them were released at all tells the story…….CORRUPTION-COVER-up…..it is so obvious. Can we ever have justice for Natalee and have her family and friends at least know the whole truth?

    23. KELMAL on September 24th, 2006 11:38 am

      nut44, You hit the NAIL on the HEAD . Once they were released it became OBVIOUS !!!! BIG-TIME cover-up. Every day that passes it seems less likely we will find out the TRUTH.

    24. JusticeforNatalee on September 24th, 2006 11:45 am

      Would definitely like to know more about “THE CAMERA.”

    25. JusticeforNatalee on September 24th, 2006 12:03 pm

      Dutch inestigators,

      HUGE CLUE–THE CAMERA

    26. JusticeforNatalee on September 24th, 2006 12:05 pm

      #25 correction Investigators

    27. mayan_moons on September 24th, 2006 12:08 pm

      *puts cowbell earrings on arubans*

      Hit it Folks!~

    28. Carpe Noctem on September 24th, 2006 12:56 pm

      Ok, me again.

      I found this new discovery while working
      on more Aru-Bay #24 BASIN SLIDES

      Brace yourselves. It is… how do they
      say in the Marines??? A nut buster.

      It took my breath away for a bit.

      Onward ho – Here we go: ( 2 new slide )

      1

      http://tinyurl.com/q53d8

      2

      http://tinyurl.com/oqdwo

      JUSTICE 4 NATALEE

      Boycott the livin starch
      out of that dung hole.

    29. Kat_Gram on September 24th, 2006 1:02 pm

      I read on the forum that there is another Satish
      ” statement” in the pipeline.
      In relation to the rest of the sites we have looked at ie Fisherman’s Huts… the beach at the Marriott… where is the VIP club ? Freddy was said to take pictures there.
      Where was Freddy that night ? Has it ever been determined ?

    30. Carpe Noctem on September 24th, 2006 1:08 pm

      If we were to walk to the basin
      like the cam op did in #24

      We’d be looking down and seeing it this way. (upside down)

      She was facing out towards the water.

      I had to rotate it 180 – to be
      able to hone in on it.

      http://tinyurl.com/e987h

      -J4N-

    31. joe bear on September 24th, 2006 1:58 pm

      Yes,I would like to view the film.I beleive Dave’s book mentions a additional drugging later,not at cnc’s.The car and the mattress had blood,a sign of a head wound.jvds had bruises on his face,I could keep going.I pray that the Dutch will bring justice for NATALEE.Closure and jail for some would be great.”SOME WILL BE PUNISHED”,the bard.Hey Pimps ,justice is coming.Joe

    32. westcoast on September 24th, 2006 2:31 pm

      Anybody out there who can find some old porn pix, hopefully showing Joran and his pals? It would go a long way towards what he said about the 20 times already and nothing happened. I want to see him hung by his tiny little balls so bad I can taste it. No pun intended.

    33. molly on September 24th, 2006 3:19 pm

      Judy W. I try to envision what happened to Natalee also. But then I have to shut my thoughts down. It is too horrific to imagine. I only hope that she was asleep/unconscious for a lot of it.

      J4N

      molly (in Houston)

    34. ben on September 24th, 2006 3:23 pm

      is it true that Rep.Bacchus took money from a dutch group,soon after he had his secret meeting.

    35. Waterboy (previously, Jerry) on September 24th, 2006 3:23 pm

      Jerry .. post number !… It was Van Der Stratten, not Joran who was meeting with Jacobs.
      The interesting thing ( to me ) that came out in the Art Wood interview on Dana’s show was that Paulus got a lawyer for Freddy right at he beginning.
      This statment is the first time I ever heard of this camera. These are some sick perverts involved in this, including the police.

      Comment by Kat_Gram | September 24, 2006, 7:39 am

      To Kat Grtam,

      Okay, okay, now that makes sense. I thought Joran was off doing the school thing. I didn’t see a written transcript. I thought wow this is a big deal, but I guess not. Sorry, I’ll get the old Q-tips out.

    36. molly on September 24th, 2006 3:23 pm

      Mike, It is as Waterboy (previously Jerry) said. The porn makes them not think of girls as humans. They are objects of their lust. Therefore, Natalee is not Natalee, she is hardly a girl in their minds. They never even thought of Natalee as a human being with feelings. The pimps, etal, are totally demoralized and depraved.

      God, Himself, believes in justice. I can’t wait until He brings it down.

      molly(in Houston)

    37. Waterboy on September 24th, 2006 4:07 pm

      Hi Waterboy Jerry.How do you get Dana’s archives to go back to july?I could only get till the end of august.

      Comment by Smish | September 24, 2006, 8:31 am

      to Smish,

      Click on the month and then scroll down. Jerry

    38. mayan_moons on September 24th, 2006 4:11 pm

      Carpe……those 2 latest stills up there took my breath away too. Good God…..Look at what these bastards did to Natalee, to all of them.

    39. KELMAL on September 24th, 2006 4:46 pm

      carpe: Those last 2 took my breath away also. I couldn’t do that to an animal let alone a HUMAN. God will take care of who ever did this !!!!!!

    40. Richard on September 24th, 2006 4:55 pm

      Paulus got lawyers for all of the “Pimps” from the outset, didn’t he?

      Not to harp on this … but if Natalee was taken off the island, that’s another way there would be “no body.”

    41. Carpe Noctem on September 24th, 2006 5:28 pm

      Mayan,

      Thanks. It is just the tip of the iceberg too…
      I have found quite a bit more… coming soon.

      I too believe we finally found Natalee
      in the basin! (used to be in basin)

      It was
      probably a drop off / pick up type deal. I suspect
      they put her there maybe 24 – 48 or so… then took her
      out to sea 5 -10 and got rid of damaging evidence.

      Does anyone know exactly which day the security
      guards were interviewed on Aruban radio?

      It might be the date stamp for when the tape was created.

      I’m starting to doubt the cremation angle… too
      many more witnesses that would have to be “whacked”
      as R. Blake would say. If they did incinerate the
      body, it could been the Rene dud that received
      “necktie.”

      ARUBAY 24 CAM OP, I believe is trying to tell us in pictures. You know when she turns in on a couple roads
      on the beach and then backs out in reverse? I think
      she maybe telling us – Look! Here is access
      to the beach, this is where and what they did
      ( and on and on )
      yada, yada, yada

    42. Tazman on September 24th, 2006 6:48 pm

      Carpe:

      Pics are right on. I can see what you’re talking about. The person(s) videoing needs to come forward to the Dutch authorities and FBI.

    43. nychic on September 24th, 2006 6:50 pm

      ———–
      “We arrived at the lighthouse and the missing girl was sleeping already”
      ———–

      Didn’t Natalee and her friends take a nap that afternoon ?

      I know that 18 yr olds are full of energy – even after a
      few drinks ? So it is highly unlikely Natalee goes from
      dancing one minute to passed out cold the next WITHOUT
      A LITTLE HELP FROM A HEAVY DOSE OF GHB OR XSTACY !

      It Is More Obvious Than Ever ! Natalee’s Reaction
      Says It All ! Her System Could Not Handle It !
      She Was Not A Drug User – Probably Had Never
      Experimented With Any Illegal Substance -

      These Pigs Never Saw The Signs – They
      Were Only Concerned With One Thing…
      They Could Have Saved Her Life
      And Now They Should All Pay !

    44. Carpe Noctem on September 24th, 2006 6:51 pm

      Two new ARUBAY 24 SLIDE ADDS
      Basin near Marriott

      http://tinyurl.com/hd47e

      http://tinyurl.com/q8r3n

      J4N
      Folks.

    45. Waterboy on September 24th, 2006 7:03 pm

      I hope that everyone is reading between the lines and realizing that Satish is just as involved as anyone. He sounds truthful, but I’m not going to fall for this hog wash. I’m 85% sure that Natalee is wrapped in the plastic.

      I think it went like 1906 has said, Joran had a party that started at his apartment, with an unconscious Natalee and a group of his friends. It may have gone to the Lion’s Den also.

      What they planned to do was use Natalee like they had with 20 other young ladies and then drop her off at her hotel in a semiconscious state. However, Natalee was either accidentally or purposely killed. They took Natalee to the hotel to drop her off, and Joran carried her to the beach (dead). He really did pick her up and carry her and no she did not say, “put me down.”

      Joran left her on the beach, S. and D. took him home and Paulus ask Joran, “What did you do with the body?” “I left her on the beach.” “Don’t you know when they find her you will get 15 years? If there is no body, there can be no case.”

      At this point, Joran got a large plastic bag, that furniture had come in, and called S. and D. to come get him. He got them to take him to the point where the gardner saw them, took the large plastic bag, waded down the water way to the area where he had left Natalee, put her in the bag and carried the bag to where it was filmed. His shoes were trash, so he put them in the bag also.

      When he got back to the car, the gardner drove by and saw the trio at the point near the pond.

      The next night, he and Koen borrowed Koen’s dad’s boat, broke into the fisherman’s hut, took a large knife, a fish trap. They retrieved the bag with Natalee’s body, put Natalee in the fish trap, went 5 to 10 miles out, and threw it overboard. Duck tape and clothing washed up on the shore and was found.

      The rocks–I can’t fit it in. Sorry, I don’t know.

    46. IndyDan on September 24th, 2006 7:42 pm

      #45 Jerry:
      I think these pimp-pervs dropped their victims off on the beach rather back at their hotels. I’ve thought all along that’s where the beach story evolved. That was the routine, they drugged them, kidnapped them, raped them and dropped them off on the beach the day their flights left, leaving them to scramble to make their flight, not knowing what happened. Once back home after figuring it out, if any did contact the ALE, that’s where they figured out it was easier to let it go. The whole scheme of kidnapping and raping young tourist girls was a ‘rite of passage’ for the young sporters passed down and protected by the older predators on Aruba.

    47. nychic on September 24th, 2006 7:55 pm

      Waterboy -

      I can fit the rock area in – you already said it -
      What do you think the knife was used for ?
      Fishermen do not place whole fish in the fish cage !
      (i am doing my best to respect the family here)
      The rock area was the “prep area” and that is
      why you had the painters there covering the
      human blood with animal’s blood -

    48. Allan K on September 24th, 2006 7:55 pm

      The boys are not the only perverts on the island ot they would be in jail.

    49. Minnesota Dad on September 24th, 2006 8:20 pm

      Waterboy,

      You forget to include Paulus in this whole thing.

      Keep in mind…Aruba has done everything possible to protect and distance Paulus from this case; ranging from refusing to allow search warrants of Paulus’ home to flying in judicial buddies to give “non-biased” (ha ha) decisions to declare Paulus no longer a suspect and even give him money for arresting him

      It is clear in how Paulus “Lawyered Up” himself and everyone else in this case that he was orchestrating the cover-up of his crime.

      Your story needs to include Paulus! Perhaps Joran and the Pimps had their way…but Paulus is the ultimate perpetrator.

      CAN ANYONE TELL ME???? Have the Dutch investigators began the push yet to VOID all judgements made to protect and distance Paulus from this case??? Or, are the Dutch investigators actually faking their role to get to the bottom of this case???

      They should be in Aruba by now. Why aren’t they VOIDING judgements? md

    50. Scared Monkeys on September 24th, 2006 8:54 pm

      Sunday September 24th. 9pm et. LISTEN HERE LIVE

      Dana’s guest will be Brook Hart lawyer for Duane Dog Chapman and his family.

      Also Tonja Doe (Victim Of Andrew Luster) and her lawyer William Daniles discuss serial rapist Andrew Luster and how Dog Chapman’s capture of Luster affected her life.

      (Dana has special announcement)

    51. KELMAL on September 24th, 2006 8:58 pm

      minnydad, The dutch investigators are there BUT do you think they are really going to do ANYTHING ???? IMO they are there just to make it LOOK GOOD. We will see in a week or two.

    52. Allan K on September 24th, 2006 9:10 pm

      Every theory out there ,here is one more that has posted before from the site that was closed

      Here’s an interesting post from pal Billy — I posted here some time back that there was an owner of a casino thats a truly bad man — The kind you would fear on his turf. Billy here, tells the story Dan posted here — with a few of the blanks. I think I gave the info here to a few people PM. If you want to Post that info about M. Posner…. fire at will.

      http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/ 07/natalee_hollowa_85.html#comments

      quit trying to divert blame from these kids. even if they are scared for the lives of their families they should tell what they know. Let their families pay the price for the friends they kept. Better those 2 evil families die than Beth not get Natalee back.

      I for one encourage the baddys to eliminate the kalpoes and the Sloots and Steve Croes. Would be no loss.

      ==========================================

      they did take her to the holiday inn, they just gang raped her in another rooom and left her there with posner and his bodyguards

      ———————————————————— —————

      this was all payback for the chaperone’s interference. its a tight knit island. so lets see the baddys start killing the sloots and kalpoes. its about time. Lorenzo, go wild.

      ===========================================

      this was completely premeditated

      why do you think it happened on sunday night?

      they planned to deliver her to Posner at the Holiday inn party. they (drug dealers at holiday inn) found out she was bama and they took out revenge on her;

      she was not kidnapped. if there was some chance that she was alive the three would have said it right away.

      ———————————————————— ——————

      they covered everythin in the first story.

      if two guards took her into the hotel, they didn’t take her to her room. did they check every room for evidence of a party. what about rooms that were rented by high rollers? What about rooms that were used off the books.? what about the underground partys after bar hours? i

      Posted by: billyright | July 30, 2005 06:42 AM

      they were staying in the hotel where she was held for days. thier phones and messages were monitored

      she may stil be alive, but i doubt it.

      look at the staff of carlos and charlies and tell me how it has changes since natalee. do the same for holiday inn?

      i believe a high roller asked a concierge at the holiday inn to bring in an american girl. they used jurine to get her, but the three raped her first.

      ==========-=-=-=-=-=-=-=======================

      she was taken for a reason, and provided for the service of someone at the HI. there is a local porn company that does a lot of custom videos for people.

      ==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=========================–==-

      when beth called them criminals, she was not lying. there is evidence on their computers that they did this before, and didn’t get caught. picutures of other rapes at parties. the staff at Carlos and Charlies is deep into this.

      -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-============================

      sure,

      but he didn’t care then. he was at a party with a lot of the staff of Carlos and Charlies and the Holiday Inn. that guy got Natalee, and may have used Mr. Pink productions to make a movie of her.

      These kids may take embarressing photos of some women and then blackmail them into doing other things.

      -=-=-=–=-=-=-================================

      if they were able to set her up earlier in the week they could have used that against her.(not strong idea)

      anyways, they think she is gonna be found like all the others at a crackhouse. she doesn’t come back though. and knowing that Posaner is a baddy who owns the casino at the Holiday Inn and the HI owner is a friend of his equally baddy, they know they have to take the story away fromm the holiday inn and that is why every story steers clear of there.

      -=-=-=–=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-========================

      Link to M. Posner info – look under “affiliates” — convicted for “kidnapping”. (credit goes to Kerin for giving me this link)

      http://glasgowcrew.tripod.com/chicagochart.html

      posner is big enough to lie for.

      posner getst the police to take the body away to the landfill, or

      posner sends her off on one of his boats.

      or she is still held at the Holiday Inn in a secret room. would liketo see some of the high end suites and offices…do they have an elevator shaft directly to the basemnet sex party dungeon?

      Posted by: billyright

      -=-=-=-=-=-=—————————————-====== =======
      why do you think they are no longer staying at the Holiday Inn? because they spied on them there. they also used the editor of Aruba today to mislead the Holloways and divert attention. why else did she pick apart the woman who saw the car.

      ———————————————————— ——————
      i think she was in the hotel around the time that Beth was there.

      ———————————————————— —————–

      julie renfro, aruba today, is that her name?

      i’ll admit she was very defensive on tv regarding the situation. early on, she seemed to cozy up to beth, but i haven’t seen her on air with her since.

      Posted by: bamaguy11 | July 30, 2005 07:03 AM

      berry this lie was plotted out too early in the game to not have come frm premeditation. get a brain.

      Posted by: billyright | July 30, 2005 07:03 AM

      thats her…she’s working for the sloots to get jurine off, she hates america and that is why she left for aruba.

      Posted by: billyright | July 30, 2005 07:04 AM

      she even told me natalee had a coke problem on the island and she said natalee was a racist and brought this on herself. hell, that dilma chick is telling everyone off the record that natalee was pregnant and thought her mom was hitler. they are subltey working against this case, Aruba today is against the Holloways. I think every woman on aruba is mad because of how Americans value one of their where as Aruban women are viewed as “conveniently disposable.”

      the united states needs to take that island and use it as a base for the drug war on terror.

      this is terror.

      ———————————————————— —————–

      and the motivation to lie about a possible murder is/??????

      they did it. your a sloot supporter.

      Posted by: billyright | July 30, 2005 07:11 AM

      i hope so too. the first lie was their entire hand, everything else is a distraction from it.

      they took her to the holiday inn and that is where she met her demise.

      there is this guy named Lorenzo who figures in here somewhere..can he be seen on Holiday Inn’s cameras anywhere?

      ———————————————————- ———–===-=-=–

      i think that island is a threat to the interests of the united states and should be treated as such.

      Aruba today is the Oduber gov’s mouthpiece. nothing good will come ot it. tito is a fruit. editor and dilma are not to be trusted. they are beign paid off to discredit the family subtley behind the scenes.

      you’d neeed at leas 200 people watching the HI in every hallway, every elevator door, every elevator and searching every room to make sure there was no shifting her around going on.

      ===========================================

      the editor of Aruba today is ant-american.

      she likes the fact that a “rich snobby bible bitch” got what she said, “may have been asking for”.

      not my words.

      ———————————————————— ——————=

      joetwo: Early on Dave Holloway was searching the landfill – do you not think he would have heard of a witness early on – Miller is searching high and low – do you not think they have been looking at the landfill early on? Smokescreen – stupidity – newspaper sales – tv fame – no body – who is scared? to come forward and why? – van der Straten stated in yesterday’s interview that early on there were 12 outside investigators (from the USA and Holland) involved from the almost 30 on the case. Who manipulated whom?

      Posted by: blacklable | July 30, 2005 08:56 AM

      back

      shower and cartoons and get rid of some strange woman.

      who asked the questions.

      ==========================================

      because he is the first criminal in the chain of events…and he has done this before, there is proof of this in deepaks possession. pictures that can put jurine right there. and jurine is the one who “carved” her out.

      which speaks to symantics…makes her sound like a piece of meat. I think this a common, if not weekly, occurence in Aruba, and it finally happened to the wrong girl. They sh*t their pants when they saw Beth less than 24hours later. That Stratten guy is a major spoiler in all of this. what a creep.

      ============================================-

      there is the matter of the 3 girls of Aruban families that were reported missing to the police and no one, not one cop, followed up. And anytime a reporter from Aruba Today talks to a witness, their story changes. why?
      Is the editor of Aruba Today doing a bunch of witness tampering? for who?

      ============================================

      the fact of the matter is this is all just a big p r campaign…digging up a pond, the wrong one. the landfill. the half/day off to search for natalee…. this is boob bait for the bubbas…….nothing more. if they thought theyd find her there, they wouldn’t dig… my greatest hope is that jurine is put inot general population and then done in by a group of assholes who have it in for a judge’s son. then maybe someone could rent a jeep and drive over Moma kalpoe and the boys. deepak and satish should be buried alive in a crab pit. and moma sloot sloot and popa sloot should hang from different ends of the same rope…and in the end let this all be a lesson to Valentijn…i prefer that the families of everyone involved in the disinformation of the Holloways suffer the same fate of Natalee.

      =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=——————————————— —-=-=-=-=-=-

      in the weeks leading up to the Night natalee died…they have a serial killer on their hands, and they think its Jurine. This is information from tow news sources on the island, and none of them are Aruba today. But as always they have to watch what they put in the papers, lest the retribution. though it was a small papiamento article in Diario on tuesday.

      =-=-=-=-=-=-=————————————=========== =-=-=-

      the fact of the matter is that no american has any reason to ever go to Aruba and spend a dime again. i made up post cards and printed natalees face on it with, no more tourism till you account for her..

      and slogans like: “I’d like to make a reservation, for the week after Natalee is back in Alabama and her parents are satisfied and reimbursed.

      inferno…didn’t HI have a fire that interrupted the telecasts? hmm…something fishy. did shango start the fire at the hotel?
      was that fire a way to move Natalee out of the hotel under cover of a stretcher and ambulance?

      =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=———————————-=-=-=-= -=-=-=-=-
      i’ll find it and I’ll post the link…and i’ll call my sources to confirm family addresses.

      ============================-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
      where does the trash go at the holiday inn?

      =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=————————————===== ======

    53. Carpe Noctem on September 24th, 2006 9:14 pm

      510-24 Basin Slides (5- 8 of them)

      Natalee???

      ……………..

      Super Zoom

      http://tinyurl.com/lpxqf

      entire Photobucket book
      of slides.

      http://tinyurl.com/zwb7d

      -J4N-

    54. joe bear on September 24th, 2006 10:11 pm

      I beleive that JVDS’s mother is the sick enabler behind all this rape and murder.She allowed the porn and assaults her school,boys will be boys.She is sick deranged person,more so than her husband.It took 2 monsters to make jvds.OH and I think Freddy has a film,that should be recovered.J4N.Joe

    55. Minnesota Dad on September 24th, 2006 10:27 pm

      Kelmal,

      Only if the Dutch Investigators demand that all judgements were fraudulent and need be voided will I believe that they are there to actually solve the case.

      As I have said before, the job of investigators is to peel the onion layers back to get to the truth. If, through manipulating the court system and law enforcement a perpetrator is allowed to “add layers” to that onion…..and if no attempt is made to peel those layers….the onion can’t be peeled.

      This whole “Dutch Investigator” crap is a sham if they don’t start the process soon.

      Boycott the Netherlands Antilles….um…um…I mean Aruba. They are starting to confuse me with this rebranding thing they are doing. md

    56. Carpe Noctem on September 24th, 2006 10:50 pm

      ARUBA, woof! You
      still are sucking
      madly. I not you
      $HIT!!!!!!!!!!

      J4N

      http://tinyurl.com/h5sen

    57. Carpe Noctem on September 24th, 2006 10:53 pm
    58. dennisintn on September 25th, 2006 12:19 am

      i wonder how curacao and the other dutch islands are taking this aruba “rebranding” scheme? if they think about it very long, they’ll be more than slightly peeved. and probably downright alarmed. another aruba “spread the blame” routine.
      dennisintn

    59. molly on September 25th, 2006 12:27 am

      Allan K: If you are right about M. Posner, then Posner is definitely the one who Joran said controls all of them. Posner is probably connectly to Mr. Pink. Horrible people to be controlling the island. As Beth said, ‘It is really big.’

      molly (in Houston)

    60. glad2bAmerican on September 25th, 2006 1:59 am

      Carpe Noctem http://tinyurl.com/q53d8
      is unbelievable! It is an image of Natalee no doubt.
      You are getting very accurate with each image. It is getting clearer and clearer.
      The rocks and the white tarp is obviously who wrapped her
      up and hid her til they could dispose of her body.
      Sad & sickening A huge coverup by many!
      Keep up the good work with the photography imaging.

    61. mayan_moons on September 25th, 2006 2:00 am

      Meh laddy dededadidah I dunno……the i can’t reveal what happened coz my familys threatened by the real baddy(?)waddy sounds like a load of crap being spun to try & make it look like the pimps have the least or less culpability than the big baddy daddy waddy yadda yadda yah.

    62. mayan_moons on September 25th, 2006 2:35 am

      Hey glad2bAmerican,

      Isn’t it mind blowing to see all these thugs tried to hide, for all they did to try to hide what they did and for all the money paid off to silence any knowledge of Natalee….f it they wanted to & tried to obliterate all traces of Natalee. Never in a million freakin years could they know that they may as well have wrapped her in saran wrap so transparent & drop her in that basin.

      Thio

    63. yoyo muffintop on September 25th, 2006 2:52 am

      Come on now, if you were going to hide a body would you put it in plain view 3 feet from a road that is fairly well traveled by people on foot as well as car? The smell alone would alert someone. The aru-bay video was not taken till sometime around 6/11. Remember, security guards were not arrested until 6/5, so the video had to have been taken after that date. So why do you think that:
      - Police from Miami-Dade and FBI, along with their 2 bloodhounds, searched that area on 6/18 and found nothing. The dogs hit on zero. If there was a body or multiple bodies in the plastic in the basin, it’s guaranteed the dogs would have alerted on it.
      - The less than 10 second time the person taking the video spends on that bag with no close up. Makes zero sense.
      - You would have at least 4 more people that know for a fact that a body(Natalee) is in that bag – Jones, John, Videographer, driver. All this had to have been told to someone in a jailhouse visit, I guess, since they did not get out until 6/15.
      There is no body/bodies in the white bag.

    64. mayan_moons on September 25th, 2006 3:27 am

      mmk Hey Carpe!~

      Don’t know if its me or the site server or whats the trouble so i’ll catch cha later today!~ Your doing such a good job. These pics make me sad & very angry. Why anyone not just Americans would want to go to Aruba or any Dutch territory after seeing Natalee & everything they did to her, they hurt her is beyond belief. Then they threw her away & now they want to act like it never happened. They play dumb, throw money at promotion & think everythings all gonna be ok?? These ppl are f’n nuts!~

      nite

    65. ben on September 25th, 2006 5:54 am

      carpe,have you sent these pics to news stations,or even the fbi.

    66. Waterboy (previously, Jerry) on September 25th, 2006 7:48 am

      Waterboy,

      You forget to include Paulus in this whole thing.

      Comment by Minnesota Dad | September 24, 2006, 8:20 pm

      To Minnesota Dad,

      Paulus definitely played a role, maybe even the major role. We know he was at the casino May 29, flirting with Nataleel. He was definitely interested in her to the seemly exclusion of other females. Why? I don’t know. Why was she picked over others? She really doesn’t stand out to me. She is pretty, so are others. Maybe she just has that charm. Maybe the indecency in him was attracted to the decency of her. There is a lot of mental sickness on that island (probable everywhere—just a symptom of the times).

      Jerry

      Waterboy -

      I can fit the rock area in – you already said it – What do you think the knife was used for? Fishermen do not place whole fish in the fish cage! (I am doing my best to respect the family here) The rock area was the “prep area” and that is why you had the painters there covering the human blood with animal’s blood —

      to Nychic,

      Your right, I just can’t fit the 1min. 34 second of video 8 in, unless there was a body part left behind, and what is this about 3 other girls being missing. Is there any truth to this? I only heard of one that went missing about a year before Natalee. It seems they found her body sometime during the early investigation into Natalee.

      #45 Jerry:
      I think these pimp-pervs dropped their victims off on the beach rather back at their hotels.
      Comment by IndyDan | September 24, 2006, 7:42 pm

      To IndyDan,

      Makes sense to me. That is, dropping ladies off at the beach near their hotels. It would add to their mental confusion and confuse the time, and the rush factor of not missing a flight home.

      Jerry

    67. Waterboy (previously, Jerry) on September 25th, 2006 8:03 am

      To Allan K.,

      in the weeks leading up to the Night natalee died…they have a serial killer on their hands, and they think its Jurine. This is information from tow news sources on the island, and none of them are Aruba today. But as always they have to watch what they put in the papers, lest the retribution. though it was a small papiamento article in Diario on tuesday.

      Allan,

      This particular post that you got from somewhere, is there any truth to it?
      I know there was talk about a girl who was missing a year before Natalee, but I never heard anything about any others. Can you confirm this? Has anyone else heard anything about this? Can someone get a link? Maybe this is why Koen fled the island. It would be bad news to find out someone you know is a serial killer.

      Jerry

    68. Waterboy (previously, Jerry) on September 25th, 2006 8:09 am

      http://www.investigativepsych.com/holloway.htm

      This may mean something. Why was it worked out? Are there others?

      The big hotels in my opinion would complicate things.

    69. Miss-Underestimated on September 25th, 2006 9:45 am

      ARUBA LOOK WHAT YOUR LE HAS DONE TO YOU.
      NO CORPSE, WTF ,WHY WOULD PAULUS THINK NATALEE WAS DEAD.

    70. Carpe Noctem on September 25th, 2006 10:33 am

      There is no body/bodies in the white bag.

      Comment by yoyo muffintop | September 25, 2006, 2:52 am

      ,,,,,,,
      If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck…

      it is a giraffe???

      Yo Yo, you are so full of monkey muffins…

      …but it works for you considering what u effin do for

      a living.

      -J4N-

    71. nychic on September 25th, 2006 12:05 pm

      #63 yoyo

      It is evident that the plastic bag had previously
      been immersed in the pond water – it was taken out
      and placed there for pick-up by someone ?? You could
      NOT see the bag from the road – it was obvious one
      had to walk over and look down into the basin -

      They needed to get the bag out of there due to
      the “well publicized” upcoming search of the pond -

      The video has a date stamp – but that does not tell
      you for a fact when it was taken – all we know is
      when it was uploaded to the Aru-bay internet site -

      I think the reason for the 10 seconds is that they
      seemed to be in a hurry and knew that someone would
      be coming very soon to retrieve the plastic bag -

      As far as the dogs not picking up a scent ? It is very
      windy in Aruba and they had almost 2 weeks to cover
      any smells/scents in that area- and didn’t one of the
      dogs pick up something ? Maybe someone else has the
      details on this ?

      IMO The intention of these videos were to prove the
      innocence of one or both security guards if in fact
      Beth had not proved them innocent by viewing the HI
      tapes before Paulus was able to confiscate them -

      hence the reason the tapes were never utilized just
      proves that someone got to the security guards before
      they were able to make a deal to sell the tapes -

    72. Carpe Noctem on September 25th, 2006 2:25 pm

      Basically they (ARUBAY VIDS) would be used as
      weapons to keep Mickey and/or Abraham
      out of das pokey. (before they got pokey-ed)

      However, WHAT IF nobody went to bat for them
      like their family members and others? Getting
      put in jail for something you did not do,
      must suck. They haven’t been paid like that toxic
      waste dump Paulus Van der Sloot. The old
      saying: Some things in life are not fair! That really
      holds true.

      & one more point…

      What lousy SOB would toss to innocent men in to
      the hot oil to save his own ass??? That is a big effin statement to one’s character. These suspects are lower
      than pond scum,

      They are sub-pond scum. Regular pond scum would
      be a great STEP UP for them!

      ————–

      Dennis Jacobs is eating more than frosted flakes, you
      got that right, nychic. ;)

      http://tinyurl.com/h5sen

      J4N!

    73. Carpe Noctem on September 25th, 2006 2:44 pm

      http://tinyurl.com/pvxtz

      http://tinyurl.com/h8ooq

      ………
      Rocks cover up

      Some new items circled.

    74. Carpe Noctem on September 25th, 2006 2:48 pm

      #38 vid

      the rocks

      http://tinyurl.com/j94up

    75. nychic on September 25th, 2006 3:57 pm

      #73
      carpe -

      where did the pic of what appears to be wax figures
      of rat-face Kalpuke brothers come from ?

    76. Maggie on September 25th, 2006 5:40 pm

      On your question if I can remember if during of the many conversations at Joran’s home that the father said “no corpse no case”, I can say it following:
      The father of Joran said it in other words. The father of Joran had said: “if there is no corpse it would be difficult to arrest us”.

      On your question what would the father of Joran have meant with difficult, I can tell you what is possible it meant I took it that he meant, if a corpse is found evidence could be found on the corpse that could lead to our arrest.

      That statement fits in with the Police Car transcript.

      Satish: Yeah, yeah,yeah, yeah,yeah,yeah, then I had a flat tire, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah… I picked you up, right. And then I went back to the beach for her.
      Joran: Who has said that?
      Satish: You said that.
      Joran: I have never said that friend. I have never said that you went back, friend.
      Joran: That’s your problem. IF THEY FIND THAT GIRL THEY WILL SEE THAT SHIT.
      Deepak: Eight more days and then I’m going home, I guarantee you that for a 1000 per cent.

    77. yoyo muffintop on September 25th, 2006 6:23 pm

      nychic, here is the report of the dogs picking up nothing:
      Wednesday, June 15, 2005 Fox News
      FBI agents and officers from the Miami-Dade police department brought two bloodhounds to help search an area of tropical vegetation next to the Marriott Hotel on Tuesday as firefighters pumped water from the site. At nightfall, more than two weeks after the Alabama teen disappeared, they gave up the search of that area.

      “We didn’t find anything,” police spokesman Comemencia told The Associated Press. He declined to say where investigators might look next.

      And scent has a better chance to stay in shady, cool, and damp areas. If that dog came across it 5-6 days later, would have hit on it for sure.
      And one of the guards gave up the fact that 2K never drove Joran home, as well as both voraciously proclaiming their innocence. If he was willing to give up that fact, which caused Joran to change his story yet again, why would he not say anything about the white bag? make no sense. And I am not quite sure how you can say it was evident the bag was submerged – whats evident about it?

      and carpe – is there actually a face on mars as well? No, just a play of light and shadows.

    78. nychic on September 25th, 2006 6:47 pm

      yoyo-

      anyone who watches that video can easily see
      the water rats swimming around in that plastic bag -
      even if you have the lowest quality screen – that
      is VERY clear – also the weight which held it under
      water is sitting right next to the bag -

      If tracks were covered at the rock area ie: animal
      blood used to negate the effects of human blood
      detection – you can bet that something was used
      in that pond area to throw off any scent left behind -
      If the date of the video was June 5th and the FBI
      bloodhounds did not search until June 18th – I would
      say there was plenty of time -

      It was either Tim Miller or Art Wood
      who stated that the dogs definitely picked up a
      scent/hit in one of the search locations

    79. KELMAL on September 25th, 2006 6:51 pm

      Minny dad, AGREED !! IMO the dutch going to Aruba is just that A BIG SCAM !!!

    80. KELMAL on September 25th, 2006 6:54 pm

      YoYo #63, GREAT POST.
      Ben, Yes these pictures have been sent to all the stations, the FBI, Beth, and to JQK , MONTHS ago. What do you think that means ????????????????

    81. KELMAL on September 25th, 2006 7:15 pm

      nychic, So what you are saying is that the ALE were alot smarter in the cover-up then ALL the experts we sent over to investigate this case !!! HMMMMMMM

    82. nychic on September 25th, 2006 7:39 pm

      kelmal -

      I think it is more like:
      If they knew then what they know now…

      one good thing is: the corruption has been exposed

    83. KELMAL on September 25th, 2006 8:05 pm

      nychic, Yes it has been exposed. I’m just glad our criminals are NOT as smart as the ones in Aruba.

    84. Richard on September 25th, 2006 8:17 pm

      Someone please set me straight if I’m wrong … but so far as I know, no camera has ever been mentioned in this whole case until this statement. And no camera has been mentioned ever since.

      So a new element is introduced. And yet it just appears, casually, and is dropped. “The camera.” Whose camera? Why did they bring it anywhere? What kind of camera? Used for what purpose?

      My point is, any cop with half a brain, a quarter of a brain, a pea-sized brain would have wondered about this camera (“Gee, maybe they took photos!!”) and would have asked about it and tried to find out something more.

      Yet here it comes into the narrative, drops out and is never mentioned again.

      To me, this is stupidity of so gross a magnitude that it ALMOST works against the idea that Dennis Jacobs is involved in a cover-up. Anyone with brains enough to know what a cover-up is would have deleted this reference.

      I mean, if it jumps out in front of ME, anyone can see it.
      Anyone except the Aruba constabulary, I guess.

      Also note that Satish, when asked if the three had picked up other American girls, said that they would give them rides home from C&Cs, and that the three of them were together almost every weekend. Yet didn’t we hear before that the Kalpoes and JvdS had met only a few months before this? Here he says they had known each other about a year.

      More stench….

    85. Richard on September 25th, 2006 8:19 pm

      Of course, Dennis Jacobs didn’t take this statement. Wonder why it hasn’t vanished from the Aruba files….

    86. Richard on September 25th, 2006 8:22 pm

      Satish says that he and his brother never had sex with Natalee. Nevertheless, HIS INTERPRETATION of what Paulus van der Scum’s statement meant is that if a body was found, something on that body might lead to their being imprisoned.

      Sexual fluids? Fingerprints? Other evidence of an assault? If the Kalpoes were not involved at all, what could anyone possibly find on the body that might implicate them?

      Signs that they had helped carry, move, or dispose of Natalee, living or dead?

    87. Richard on September 25th, 2006 8:24 pm

      Something else I note … Satish says that they have not vaccumed or cleaned the car for about a MONTH … not since May 29. And yet they had a problem with ants.

      So does it make sense, IF the ant problem was genuine, that you would let it sit so long without cleaning? Also, if Deepak was as proud of the car as we are led to believe (remember how, in his statement, he kept talking about Natalee’s praising his car?), does it seem likely that they would let it sit dirty for a month?

    88. Richard on September 25th, 2006 8:29 pm

      Finally, we’re told that Natalee was asleep with her head in Joran’s lap. I’m not sure if Satish is trying to imply something here … but my idea is that the drink and/or drugs had taken effect. (It’s more convenient to keep someone concealed if they’re lying down in the back of a car, too.)

      In view of this, the comment sounds almost chilling:

      My brother asked Joran if the missing girl would still see the lighthouse or not. Joran said to my brother, “I do not think so.”

      Of course not … even then the white car with other members of the Pimps was hovering around, as per plan.

    89. yoyo muffintop on September 25th, 2006 9:15 pm

      nychic – unless the water rats had scuba gear on, they mean nothing as far as the bag being fully submerged in water. And please point out in each of these rats in the stills – after all it is supposedly see-thru, correct? So the bag was pulled up from the bottom, the weight set aside next to it, and the bag sits and waits, long enough to have rats chew thru, waiting for someone to easily pick it up since it’s right next to the road while the stench becomes worse and worse? Ridiculous stretch by any means.
      And no way it was filmed on the 5th, more like the 11th, and the dogs did not hit on anything.

    90. KELMAL on September 25th, 2006 9:26 pm

      YOYO !! Another Great Post. !!!!!!! I agree 100% !!!!!!

    91. mayan_moons on September 25th, 2006 9:46 pm

      Hey nychic!

      I think i kn ow the pic your talking about looking like wax figures, that is weird.

    92. mayan_moons on September 25th, 2006 10:01 pm

      The dogs did alert by the pond. As far as the bag being put in the basin, sure it could’ve & would’ve been found by a searcher if left there long enough. The weight bag next to the bag makes it pretty clear it was prepared to go under water duh. I’m sure whoever fished the bag out of the pond had arranged for the pick up to be as quick as possible & probably wanted the pick up person to fish the bag out but maybe the pick up person didn’t want to be seen standing in the pond pulling a white tarp/bag from the bottem. Better that bag sit byitself alittle while than to be seen retrieving or carrying the bag.

    93. nychic on September 26th, 2006 12:17 am

      Watch the video again -
      Right at the 2:47 mark you can see the rats moving
      around in the bottom right corner of the inside
      of the bag – CLEAR AS DAY

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_X1QfGcQfU

      Also notice the emphasis on the foot-prints across
      the sand ? Maybe they came up on someone who was
      in the process of moving the bag ? And that person
      ran across the sand and hid in the bushes ?
      That’s what it looks like !

      And yoyo – there are water rats and land rats
      if you don’t believe me – come to NYC and go
      with me to walk my dog along the East River -

    94. nychic on September 26th, 2006 1:37 am

      #88 Richard -

      I found that same comment about Natalee not
      being able to see the lighthouse very chilling -

      It is difficult to determine whether Satish
      is being truthful or has been coached in most
      of his statements – but that one sentence is
      sickening -

      Another item you mention is the camera -
      wonder if this is a video camera or
      a digital ? Freddy was previously in
      trouble for taking sexual pics of a 13 yr old girl-

      There is no telling how many pics were destroyed
      during “the 10 days of clean-up”

    95. mayan_moons on September 26th, 2006 2:34 am

      hey nychic!~

      I’ve thought that the camera person was heard approaching the pond & was hiding in those bushes since the second time i watched the video. I played the video with a big double screen & saw what appeared to me to be atleast 2 people wearing white hiding in the bushes. You can go back when the video was first discussed in its own article headline & you’ll see me talking about seeing 2 ppl, maybe 3 hiding. I didn’t have a screen grabber & was asking Carpe if he’d look into it. He asked if i could circle it but when i went back to try it the settings had been changed that made the thumbnails pop up & getting in the way of me getting a clear view of these people.

    96. Richard on September 26th, 2006 6:05 am

      Exactly, and the notion that the interviewers didn’t even follow up on that camera statement is beyond sickening.

      Now, what else does this imply? We don’t know that this camera had anything to do with Natalee, but if it did, and if they were filming her while being abused (I’m trying to use polite language here) … and after all, we did read in Diario about another case in Aruba where classmates of a high school (or younger) girl abused her in public and filmed it … then presumably they either kept the film as a “souvenir” of their exploit, shared it with other members of the “Pimps” or possibly others (maybe that’s what made big, burly Koen wet his pants and cry in Momma’s bed … the knowledge that he could be on the spot for watching the abuse of Natalee on film, and that she’s now missing and by many presumed dead) … OR that they sold it to someone.

      My point in the last bit is that they may have had (IF this took place) regular connections to some kind of porn dealer, perhaps the same one or ones from whom they got the porn that Joran liked to watch. And perhaps the other Pimps watched the same garbage.

      This also raises a question in my mind; if we assume that the three were so debased as to do this, would they have gotten other ideas from their movies? Like selling or handing over a girl into slavery, thus establishing their “control” of her?

      I’ve thought since day one that that was a long-discussed fantasy of the Pimps, as a step further into degeneracy. After you drug and abuse the local girls, with no consequences, you might think you’re beyond punishment.

      And who is left to prey on, other than the locals?

    97. mayan_moons on September 26th, 2006 1:36 pm

      Hey Richard,

      I agree that odds are good they taped the attack on Natalee and thats the reason we see a cell phone in the bag with Natalee. Before that cell was ditched maybe even as the attack was going on theres a good chance it was being shared with other pimps who for whatever reason weren’t there coz they had to work or something. Its been discussed that Natalee might have gotton a call off to someone & thats why Sander *lost* the phone & that makes sense why it was trashed but the calls are still logged with the phone co. as to what numbers were dialed. Not sure if these thugs put that together in the panic that ensued after the attack but i can’t help think that the main reason for losing the phone is coz everything was taped for their viewing pleasure & eventual sale.

      Your take on how they escalated their sick behaviour after having been sucessful in previous attacks is spot on. I have the feeling that what we know is just the tip of the iceberg in terms of brutality with these punks.

    98. nychic on September 26th, 2006 6:06 pm

      here is another link to the video with the
      plastic bag by the pond with Mickey John’s
      interview playing in the background:

      http://tinyurl.com/rqnt6

      (the other one seems to cut off early)

      I do remember that discussion about the
      persons hiding in the bushes – all you
      have to do is follow the fresh foot prints
      in the sand -

      mayan – i can’t do a screen grab either
      no matter how many times carpe has been
      so nice to help me !

    99. Achilles on September 28th, 2006 2:16 pm

      of course it’s really bad what happend with Natalee.
      It’s a strange story by the way.
      but all the people who hates aruba because of this…
      i’m sorry but how many people are raped in America?
      how many people are killed in america?
      how many people are missing RIGHT NOW in america?
      and believe me, every day the number becomes more and more

      so we’re going to hate Aruba because a persons missing…
      and we don’t hate america because there are thousand of people missing?

      i just don’t get it!

    100. Michael on September 28th, 2006 2:31 pm

      !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      I have very close relations on the island Aruba. There are people on the island that know more. But are very afraid of the police. There are people on the island that have seen the two brothers were washing there car in the early morning at there house. ( The moring of the missing ) I have to protect these people. So i can not say who they are. I’have told the police in july in Holland. If they did something with this information is not clear. This informatio is 100% true.
      I hope that they will find her soon. And i can speak for many people on the island. Everybody knows that she is not coming back. Only a miracle can do that. This is a very serious information and maybe crusial for the investication !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    101. Achilles on September 28th, 2006 2:31 pm

      so do we have to boycut america to get justice for all the missing people?

    102. Scared Monkeys on September 28th, 2006 7:09 pm

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    103. Michael on September 28th, 2006 11:55 pm

      Yes i know this statement, but in the statement is another date en time. I’m talking about the morning after the missing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They washed en cleaned their car properly. You don’t do this after a night going out. I don’t read anything about this in the statements!!

    104. Achilles on October 5th, 2006 9:14 am

      I believe your information Michael, but there’s one thing i don’t get…
      why are these people with this information afraid for the police?

    105. Achilles on October 5th, 2006 9:16 am

      And you said that there are people who know more..
      do you mean by more… the brothers were washing their car in the morning?
      or is there more information they know?

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