The Caribbean Society of Hotel Association (CSHAE) Meet to focus on Media Relations and Advocacy


The Caribbean Tourism powers that be still think its about media relations and how toCaribbeanHotAssoc manipulate marketing campaigns to travelers. You may want to rethink this one.

the meeting in Barbados this week for a two-day workshop on media relations and advocacy.

One wonders if you are even capable of implementing your stated goals of “enhancing the flow and substance of accurate and timely information to the media on the tourism industry.” Do you people not understand that declines in tourism have nothing to do any more with “timely spin” that tourism associations put out as to writing fluff pieces on an island’s tourism. In a post Natalee Holloway tourism world in the Caribbean its about safety. Its also about Policetapetrust. Tourists need to know that their safety and prosecution of crimes is even a concern.

 Tourists are more worried whether they are going to be robbed, raped, attacked or murdered while paying to be in the Caribbean on vacation. They want to know whether when they go on vacation prior to college, they will actually return safe and not vanish and have their disappearance covered up as in the case of Natalee Holloway. Tourists want to know whether local police have the competence to solve crimes or even the where with all to even care to.

If the Caribbean Islands cannot instill any confidence into the paying traveler that they will be safe or cronyism will not play a part in the investigations of crimes, then the Caribbean has a huge problem. It is all going to depend on how each island in the Caribbean handles itself. There are too many places for people to travel, people will make up their own minds as to safety and respect. All this conference needs to do is take a look at Aruba and use it as a “what never to do” example.

Aruban Tourism Dummies

… designed to guide chief executives and presidents of national hotel associations in the Caribbean in enhancing the flow and substance of accurate and timely information to the media on the tourism industry. “The media, the Fourth Estate, shapes public opinion,” said Susan Springer, Executive Vice President of BHTA and President of the region organization CSHAE. “It behooves the industry to be an effective facilitator that stimulates comprehensive coverage of tourism-related issues in order to sensitize Caribbean residents about the huge role of tourism to the development of healthier and wealthier communities.” (Hospitalitynet)

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  • Comments

    102 Responses to “The Caribbean Society of Hotel Association (CSHAE) Meet to focus on Media Relations and Advocacy”

    1. IndyDan on September 19th, 2006 10:25 am

      No VanDerSloots – No tourists.

    2. Carpe Noctem on September 19th, 2006 10:32 am

      Aruba… the best place in the Carribean
      to go if you’re looking to be raped,
      robbed, murdered, drowned or shot in
      the head… this infested cockroach
      drug runner’s haven IS 4 U

      check it out – more here.

      Justice 4

    3. KELMAL on September 19th, 2006 10:41 am

      100% CORRECT !!!!!!!! These islands are tooo DANGEROUS to go to and CRUISES are MORE DANGEROUS YET !!! What ever happened to the George Smith case. The FBI and Dr. Lee were working on it. It has been almost a year and a half and we still haven’t heard anything. WHY ???? Could this be ANOTHER COVER-UP ???? One good thing came from Natalee and that is it made Americans more aware of how DANGEROUS it is to travel outside the USA !!!!!!!!

    4. msmarple on September 19th, 2006 10:41 am

      [color=blue][b]U.S. 2005 Statistics –
      Murder and Non-Negligent Manslaughter[/b][/color]

      This one is for all the Arubans who like to comment about our crime statistics in the United States. Statistics are from the FBI’s just released 2005 reports.

      National Average: [b][color=red]5.6[/color][/b] per 100,000

      For Population Groups 50,000 — 99,999: [b][color=red]3.6[/color][/b]
      (In general, this means cities or other entities of this size.)

      Per our Murder & Crime thread (see my sig line), Aruba seems to have at least 7 homicides for 2005 (counting Natalee), and 4 thus far in 2006.

      Aruba’s population is 71,891 (July 2006 est.) per the CIA World Factbook.

    5. JusticeforNatalee on September 19th, 2006 10:48 am

      Want good media coverage, Aruba?

      This is what Americans want to see on TV: the smirk wiped off Joran’s face while he and his accomplices are led to JAIL.

    6. Caroline on September 19th, 2006 10:54 am

      In Aruba at the moment – I was told last night by a vendor selling tours about something nice that was coming to Aruba and he said – “I hope Beth doesn’t ruin this too.” HELLO – they really don’t get it. The mentality is such that all will soon be forgotten. NOT!!!

    7. JusticeforNatalee on September 19th, 2006 11:12 am

      Caroline, how did you respond to the vendor?

      Did you set him straight about who is to blame (not Beth!) and that Americans will NEVER forget Natalee?

    8. KELMAL on September 19th, 2006 11:16 am

      Beth didn’t do anything to Aruba !!!!
      This is what Aruba did to Beth.
      We won’t forget. I hope ????

    9. Carpe Noctem on September 19th, 2006 11:41 am

      The Aruban mentality – Heads full of cancer.

      Beth ruined this, Beth ruin that!!! :shakes head:

      No personal accountability for these sub humans.

      It’s much easier to blame a decent, hard working,
      dainty li’l mother from Alabama USA. A sweet
      lady, who is simply trying to find out which
      effin louse ended her daughter’s life.

      A tiny woman, who couldn’t weigh more than 1 buck 10,
      that’s after a shower even!!!

      Oh yes, sweet Beth,
      the ROOT OF ALL EVIL.

      These people are UNBELIEVEABLE, a hateful, lazy breed
      the type we’ve never seen before.

      Hey ARUBA, grows some
      today, and take
      responsibility for your OWN HATEFUL


      P.S. Beth, eat a sandwich, and get some rest. America
      needs you to be around for as long as possible. People
      seem to listen to what you have to say, and you do a
      a lot of good lady. Job well done. -J4N-

    10. 10061906 on September 19th, 2006 12:22 pm

      It’s begining to sound to me that they are priming the Dutch investigators to find a patsy; one we have never heard of and nail him/her for the crime against Natalee.
      Aruba the sooner you tell the truth and convict the responsible perpatrators the faster your economy “MAY” recover. The longer you wait; we can make it an up hill battle all the way for you.
      Aruba you would be surprised at how fast negative information about you can and has traveled in the USA.
      I sure hope you are reading this……………

    11. Houston on September 19th, 2006 12:23 pm

      I think from now on I will stop at Key West…..this is as far South as I’m going.

    12. Carpe Noctem on September 19th, 2006 12:53 pm

      ARU-BAY CHI 24


      Etreme Close Up on head 2

      and throat wound


    13. 10061906 on September 19th, 2006 1:11 pm

      Back on April 25th., 2006 when GVC was released another “Youngster” was interrogated for 6 hours with the initials A.B.
      There was a reference to a male with the initials AB at C and C’s on May 27th., 2005 when Geoffrey von Cromvoirt slapped Natalee .
      Since Geoffery knows Michael Dompig and Michael hangs around with this guy called Andreas Initial A., could this Andreas be the A.B with Geoffrey.
      Anyway it said AB was interrogated for six hours but I don’t recall anything else posted about the incident. What were the results of that interrogation? I wonder.
      Remember the reason Geoffrey was arrested was Michael apparently did not obey one of the commandments. “Thou shall not bear false witness against thy neighbor”. We we never told what Michael said about Geoffery because Gerold Dompig blew off the incident. (Very Conveniently)

    14. Meee on September 19th, 2006 1:30 pm

      I guess Aruba is making it’s big push to get back tourism. First Jet Blue had a large add for Aruba in the NY Daily News the other day. Today it is Liberty Travel pushing travel to Aruba.

    15. Miss-Underestimated on September 19th, 2006 1:44 pm

      Maybe someone has those statements?

      But Dompig said his son falsely accused (lied) another person.

      It seems from this view: that the majority of people involved and/or investigating the case of Natalee Holloway have lied. If you lie you are a liar.

      Aruba give Natalee Holloway back to her family.

    16. Waterboy (previously, Jerry) on September 19th, 2006 2:08 pm

      On the lighter side, it is said (this is fiction) that a man wearing a disguise, fake mustache, wig, etc. Came to visit Joran while he was in jail. The jailer told him he could not see Joran, unless he was kin. “I am’, said the man. “Brothers and sisters, I have none, but this man’s father is my father’s son.” “Okay”, said the jailer, “since you put it that way, you may visit him. My question is who is this man?

    17. KELMAL on September 19th, 2006 2:35 pm

      Mee, Same here in the Detroit Papers. The Suday travel section has 6 big ads for Aruba.

    18. Miss-Underestimated on September 19th, 2006 2:43 pm

      I don’t know Jerry but, if you look at Dog the Bounty Hunter in his mug shot, he sure looks like someones mom.

    19. JusticeforNatalee on September 19th, 2006 2:51 pm

      Perhaps we Natalee supporters should take out our OWN ad–a CALL to JUSTICE–to counteract the promotion of Aruba.

      We need to remind Americans about Natalee and let Aruba know that it just can’t market its way past her. We STILL want justice!

      Since most American tourists hail from NY, a NY paper is a good choice with the biggest ad we could afford.

      Also, maybe the ad itself would get some media attention.

      Just brainstorming–I know that the cost and wording of the ad would have to be worked out. In fact, wasn’t this idea brought up before?

    20. Miss-Underestimated on September 19th, 2006 2:52 pm

      Good read, how to catch a liar 10 signs

    21. Carpe Noctem on September 19th, 2006 2:54 pm

      Why does Joran hate?
      …and more strangely, why does
      HE SO HATE that the Kalpoes place
      him at the California Lighthouse
      with he and Natalee that night?


      It finally was built… in 1916! In true Aruban

      … it took them from
      1891 — 1916 to actually
      bring it to fruition.

      The actual building process took 2 years
      from 1914 — 1916.

      From 1891 to 1914, apparently they pulled their
      “dorks”, if you will…

      …trying to sucker others that
      actually work in to doing it
      from Carlos and Charlies. :) j/k

      114 YEARS later on MAY 30th, 2005!!!

      I think there may have been
      another wreck at the CLH SITE.
      was EL CAPPY-TAIN…..



      -Justice for Natalee-

    22. 10061906 on September 19th, 2006 3:10 pm

      “Aruba’s former lead investigator on Natalee Holloway’s disappearance said Monday his son may have falsely incriminated a man who was arrested and released in the case.

      Gerold Dompig said his son Michael’s accusations against Geoffrey van Cromvoirt were little more than sniping between two teenage acquaintances that escalated out of control. Van Cromvoirt, 19, was released Monday morning after more than a week in detention.” MORE THAN A WEEK!!!!

      “He’s a kid; he got confused and frustrated and he said things he shouldn’t have said,” Dompig said in a telephone interview, adding that he had apologized to van Cromvoirt’s family. “It went too far.”
      WTF is just sniping that would cause someone to be arrested in a missing person case? HuH?
      Come on Gerald; you know Michael is involved with Natalee’s disappearance; if not you would not have changed your theory to Natalee Overdosed and drowned….
      And if Michael is involved, Geoffrey is involved and Andreas is involved.

    23. whytegirl on September 19th, 2006 3:16 pm

      What bothers me is that perhaps Aruba is affecting somehow Puerto Rico’s tourism. Puerto Rico is going south too. I read the newspaper this morning ( and it’s talking about the Puerto Rico Hotel and Tourism Association, making comparisons between PR, Dominican Republic and Cuba. Basically Puerto Rico losing the gap on tourism leadership.

      Of course no island is 100% safe but what I will keep saying about my island is that it is a US Commonwealth-unfortunately not a state as of yet. So there’s FBI, dollars are used and the citizens are American. You want the FBI, you got the FBI; police are not fake, pretend so the beach patrol are real cops.

      Just be aware of your surroundings and mind the concierge and tour guides. Other than that you bet you will have lots of fun with the finest food, coffee and beaches. Can’t wait to go back (next month!!) Yay! 8-D

      If when I go is there anything Red want me to do? I understand Aruba opened an office in San Juan. Don’t know where, but it’s there. Email me and let me know. Take care, whytegirl

    24. Carpe Noctem on September 19th, 2006 3:20 pm

      He wasn’t considered a child when the little serial poot
      was in charge of certain segments of the Holloway
      Investigation, huh? Funny how Dompig would like us
      to see his son in tow different ways. -J4N-

    25. Carpe Noctem on September 19th, 2006 3:21 pm

      TWO NOT TOW,

      damn sam.

    26. Miss-Underestimated on September 19th, 2006 3:27 pm

      Yeah, when was the timeline with the change in Dompigs evaluation of what happened to Natalee?

      Perfuming the pigs

    27. 10061906 on September 19th, 2006 3:33 pm

      Come on Dumbpig you know he is involved: He was in the white car driven by Guido. Andreas and Geoffrey were along for the ride. Guido followed Deepak’s Honda back to Joran’s pad. Natalee in a drugged and confused state of mind may have thought she was going to be a guest at another party before going back to the HI: she didn’t know she was the party.

    28. Miss-Underestimated on September 19th, 2006 3:41 pm

      Heavy Battery

    29. Carpe Noctem on September 19th, 2006 3:49 pm

      Some snip its of timeline.

      2005 Aruba – Holloway Case


      June 15: Search & seizure of VDS vehicles, computers and other misc. items. Kalpoes’ home also searched and car impounded

      June 17:Â   Steve Croes arrested

      June 17: Judge extends remand of J2K

      June 18: Meeting between Joran and S. Croes in presence of polis, in which Joran and Croes both say they have never seen each other before.  

      June 18: “Confrontation” between Joran and Satish in presence of polis, in which Satish says Joran lied because they did not go to Joran’s house after leaving CnCs with Natalee, and tells Joran he should tell the the truth. Joran responds that they did go to his house and it is Satish who is lying.

      June 18: Paulus gives interview as a witness, in which he tells polis he did not pick up Joran from anywhere on the morning of 5/30, and that on the morning of 5/31 he said he picked Joran up from McDonalds at 11:00 pm on 5/29.     He says he found it strange that the trio weren’t asked to make more detailed statements during their original interviews as witnesses, and therefore concluded there was probably information that Natalee had been seen after being dropped off at the HI. He also says that he believed the HI story until he learned it was a lie from Freddy, and that he does not recall Joran asking if there would be no case if no body were found.   At least two pages are missing from the portion of the statement that has been made public.  

      June 19: S. Croes remanded to be held for an additional 8 days

      June 23: Paulus is arrested.   He gives a statement in which he says that at about 8:00 pm on 5/30, he brought a bag to Joran at the Raquet Club, as Joran was walking in the direction of the Marriott. (510-24) then went on to pick up Joran’s brother Sebastian from a friend’s house.   On 6/18 Paulus stated that he did not recall having any more contact with Joran that day after dropping him off at the Raquet Club.   And on 6/14 Joran stated that he had his gym bag with him at the Raquet Club and left it there when he walked to the casino. BULLSHIT ( and you can quote me on that ) –Carpe

      Justice 4 Natalee

      Who was ambushed by
      “sharks” that stand
      upright & walk on
      2 legs.


    30. Miss-Underestimated on September 19th, 2006 3:52 pm

      They’re killing Aruba,” says Aruban businessman Charles Croes, a former ally. “That girl, Natalee, I wish she’d stayed home. I hope she’s found alive there. Because no one would care. No one. The kid is just not worth all this trouble, this heartache. Is Natalee worth it? Is she?”

      Above a snipet from the Vanity Fair Roundtable

    31. Richard on September 19th, 2006 3:52 pm

      Or maybe what Natalee thought at that point, once the car was out of earshot and eyesight of the Mountain Brook kids, made not the slightest difference to anyone any more.

      And whence came this white car, out of the Aruban night? I still say that’s why Deepak rushed into the bar near C&Cs after they got Natalee … and came out very soon thereafter. Giving the signal: “Mission accomplished.”

      And whoever was waiting passed the word to the rest of the Pimps ….

    32. Miss-Underestimated on September 19th, 2006 4:02 pm

      as they say
      The house of cards will fall

    33. Miss-Underestimated on September 19th, 2006 4:08 pm

      The Aruban police have reached a breaking point. In a wide-ranging interview, Gerold Dompig, the deputy police chief in charge of the case, says the biggest obstacle to solving it has been the Twitty family itself. Among other things, Dompig charges that pressure from the family sidetracked the investigation from the outset, forcing the premature arrests of the main suspects and destroying the best chance police had of gathering evidence to solve the case.

      Dompig read what you said????

    34. Carpe Noctem on September 19th, 2006 4:09 pm

      And whoever was waiting passed the word to the rest of the Pimps ….

      Comment by Richard | September 19, 2006, 3:52 pm


      correct Richard, and the other half of the posse
      was lying in wait for her at the lighhouse. They got
      the call ahead courtesy of Deepak through Choose-A-
      Name bar’s Pitbull. Sharks lying in wait like…
      Freddy Zedan aka Mr Video (imo) for instance.
      Probably more.

      They’ve been runnin this scam for a while. It is just
      one of many. They’ve pulled of MISSION: RAPE EM – 20
      times… no problems, that is if you fudgin’ consider
      D@MN D E A T H … a PROBLEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Listen in Dee-shacks on words. We have sex with em
      sometimes all in the same hotal room. All the guys
      give it a go, JUST NOT ALL AT THE SAME TIME. So uhhh,
      I guess that’s KEWL huh?

      The sharks like to drug em up, rape em up, and
      produce ‘em up… hot G.G.W. type sex videos for
      resale on the Aruban blackmarket, and Bangbus
      out of SO-FLO for instance. Hey, beats RETURNABLE

      Oh snap, remember THOSE??? ;)

      Justice for
      Natski !!!

      F U

      Your day has come.

    35. Carpe Noctem on September 19th, 2006 4:11 pm


      brain bubble ;-) oops

    36. Miss-Underestimated on September 19th, 2006 4:12 pm

      Dompig even at that point you could have rectified it, nah but you didn’t or couldn’t?

    37. vicki on September 19th, 2006 4:16 pm

      Justice, I looked into an ad in the NYTimesa little while ago… Very expensive.. Like 45000.00 Although 90 people could chip in 500.00 or 180 people 250.00 or 360 people at 125.00 you get my drift. Ive got mine ready. Say the word.

    38. Miss-Underestimated on September 19th, 2006 4:16 pm

      Whats the word, is Interpol on the island or was that a farce?

    39. vicki on September 19th, 2006 4:17 pm

      SM… I think you have the crimes and murder in aruba posted. We could do that one in an ad…what do you think?

    40. Miss-Underestimated on September 19th, 2006 4:18 pm

      Didn’t they say they did this 20 or do times and never had a problem?

    41. Carpe Noctem on September 19th, 2006 4:18 pm

      What a comment, huh Miss U?


      “That girl, Natalee, I wish she’d stayed home. I hope she’s found alive there. Because no one would care.”

      This from Charles Croes, a man who writes poetry. You
      think he would have a lot of empathy, care, and compassion.

      Notice I
      don’t call him a “POET”

      ‘cuz I have read his stuff… and he needs to stick to
      renting cell phones to people.

      His stuff is not worthy
      of gracing the bottom
      of a BIRD CAGE.

      — Chuck – RHYMES
      WITH ???


    42. Miss-Underestimated on September 19th, 2006 4:35 pm

      Yeah, what a pile of work that guy is.

      The same man who profoundly lied too each time he opened his mouth. Charlie wasn’t some one else gonna be arrested?


    43. Carpe Noctem on September 19th, 2006 4:35 pm

      Didn’t they say they did this 20 or so times and never had a problem?

      Comment by Miss-Underestimated | September 19, 2006, 4:18 pm


      u bet Joran said it. TO GRETA – RECORDED!!!… the only way
      you can prove Joran EVER SAID ANYTHING, because if it
      can be retracted…

      We all know how that sentence ENDS. -J4N-

    44. 10061906 on September 19th, 2006 4:41 pm

      Going back to 22: Do you know that even though Geoffrey was released from jail he is still considered a suspect.
      Remember his family wanted to sue for false imprisonment but they can’t because he has not been legally released as a suspect. This is September I guess they don’t want the 50,000 florins or is he
      g u i l t y.

    45. Carpe Noctem on September 19th, 2006 4:48 pm

      If it happened at Joran’s house
      why we he so readily admit to
      polis to going there and fight
      with Satish in front of polis
      about it?

      It seems to me it would have happened
      at a place where Joran would rather
      than easily admit that he was
      at this place.

      The Kalpoes have little to no respect
      or morals… but compared to Joran
      they’re EAGLE SCOUTS… and Satish
      very well was telling the truth,

      they did not go to Joran’s with Natalee…

      NOW THE QUESTION SURFACES like bath bubbles.



      ? Ideas


    46. JusticeforNatalee on September 19th, 2006 5:05 pm


      45 THOUSAND dollars?! Whew–high even by NY standards!
      That’s for a full page, I hope!

    47. JusticeforNatalee on September 19th, 2006 5:08 pm

      Vicki–I still think doing an ad is a good idea–I just am not sure if we could collect that sum.

    48. JusticeforNatalee on September 19th, 2006 5:16 pm

      How about just a small ad that reads:

      Justice for Natalee Ann Holloway

    49. 10061906 on September 19th, 2006 5:36 pm

      I need someone with a better memory than me. Didn’t the Vanity Fair article come out in January 2006.
      Wasn’t GVC arrested in January 2006?
      Didn’t Dompig say in late January that It was a distinct possibility that Natalee overdosed on drugs that she bought on Aruba and fell into the water and washed out to sea. He had witnesses that Natalee did drugs: yeh like Boeti.
      Yet prior to denouncing Beth in his article the three were as guilty as hell of some crime against Natalee Holloway.
      I rest my case.
      Joran, Paulus, Anita, Deepak, Satish, Mrs Kalpoe, Jan van der Straaten, Dompig, Schripper, Cros, Croes and Croes, Uderber, Michael, Koen and family. GVC and family, Lorenzo, Dennis Jacobs, Freddie, Andreas….who did I miss.
      All are in it up to their eyeballs and are responsible for the cover up. They all know a piece of what what happened. No one can say what happened and collect the reward because they would incriminate themselves.
      Where is Natalee?

    50. Carpe Noctem on September 19th, 2006 5:49 pm
    51. JusticeforNatalee on September 19th, 2006 6:13 pm

      Yes, Ms. Janssen, why the arrest for HEAVY BATTERY?!

    52. punkingale on September 19th, 2006 6:22 pm

      1006: You missed Karin Janssen.

      If y’all haven’t e-mailed for you bumper stickers & Boycott Aruba package, please do so. I got mine yesterday and it’s quite impressive. She even sent me 3 letters she had typed for Oduber, Briesen and Rudy Croes. All I had to do was sign them and put them in the stamped envelopes she provided. (Aruba .84) I told her to bill me, but she didn’t, so I guess this is all free.

    53. Carpe Noctem on September 19th, 2006 6:27 pm

      hi mr. waterboy-jerry,

      here is answer to one of your questions from
      the other day.

      about your questions today… could we perhaps
      exchange those q & a’s with private email?

      here is me



    54. Carpe Noctem on September 19th, 2006 6:38 pm

      My complete photobucket
      ARUBAY slide database.

      publicly available
      latest count
      450 slides

      *a page or two
      recently added


    55. Carpe Noctem on September 19th, 2006 6:47 pm

      ARUBA – DAY # 477 of the Natalee Holloway Debacle…

      You should all be thoroughly ashamed
      to even show your faces.

      You suck, and your
      daddy smells like

      Awwww Beh.



    56. dennisintn on September 19th, 2006 7:02 pm

      aruba can’t pay the a.l.e.’s overtime, but they can cough up l3 million more dollars to tell new and better lies to the tourist community. why do they think these new lies will do them any more good than the last huge amount of money they gave to the promoters who recommended the huge expenditures so they could make more money off of aruba. nothing actually has changed at all on the island. tourism has fallen because of the way aruba treated natalee and her entire family. there are still drug dealers on the beaches, piers, street corners, bars and even the hotel grounds and hallways themselves. predators are still stalking the ladies and girls, thefts on the beaches, streets, and hotels are not being curtailed any more than they were before natalee. there have been dozens of people on the island who preach changing the perceptions of the tourist community with lies, but not one person, with the exception of jossy mansur, has dared state that things have to be cleaned up, criminals arrested, and drugs taken off the market. and only jossy dares to stick his neck out and say point blank that letting the disappearance of natalee ann holloway should be solved, and the perpetrators punished. a pitiful place, but with the way natalee and her family have been treated and degraded by businessmen, time share owners, and the a.l.e. itself, i have not one shred of pity for them.

    57. KELMAL on September 19th, 2006 7:06 pm

      Vicki, $45,000 isn’t that much. I say we put it together. Lets see who on here is ALL Talk and NO WALK. We can take over where Joe M dropped the ball !!!!!!

    58. Allan K on September 19th, 2006 7:17 pm

      Get on with it and arrest them. ALE is a joke. They never questioned Joran with tenacity. All the boys had ipods baby dolls-stuffed animals etc. They probally watched the videos they made in jail. ARREST THE DAMN SOCIOPATH AND THE REST OF THE GUILTY PARTIES. Thats it do it.

    59. IndyDan on September 19th, 2006 7:36 pm

      Joran VanDerSloot had his little date rape scheme down to an art, until Natalee died from his little game. It’s always been telling why he decided to visit CnC’s just before closing, 30 minutes before shutdown? From “teenadvice” website, notice the fact about VERY FAST ACTING:
      Why do these drugs make effective date rape drugs? There are many factors that make these drugs desirable to sexual predators. The drugs are virtually undetectable; they are tasteless, odorless and colorless. All traces of the drugs will leave the body within 72 hours of ingestion and are not found in any routine toxicology screen or blood test – doctors and police have to be looking specifically for them and they have to look quickly! Date rape drugs are easily slipped into drinks and food and are very fast acting. They render the victim unconscious but responsive with little or no memory of what happens while the drug is active in their system. The drugs also make the victim act without inhibition, often in a sexual or physically affectionate way. Like most drugs, date rape drugs render a person incapable of thinking clearly or of making appropriate decision. This makes for a very passive victim, one who is still able to play a role in what is happening but who will have no clear memory of what happened after-the-fact. Without any memory of events the victim is often unaware that they have even been raped, and if they are aware or have suspicions they make very poor witnesses.
      This is why tourism is down in lawless countries like Aruba, where the crime investigators know what’s going on and do nothing.

    60. Maggie on September 19th, 2006 7:47 pm

      #20 Good one. This one made me think of Deepak’s statement when he was saying his radio was on three and what speed he was doing all the evening, the minute unimportant details.
      Actually it reminds me of all 4 of them.

      Tip No. 9: Too Much Detail

      “When you say to someone, ‘Oh, where were you?’ and they say, ‘I went to the store and I needed to get eggs and milk and sugar and I almost hit a dog so I had to go slow,’ and on and on, they’re giving you too much detail,” says Berman.

      Too much detail could mean they’ve put a lot of thought into how they’re going to get out of a situation and they’ve crafted a complicated lie as a solution.

    61. Carpe Noctem on September 19th, 2006 7:55 pm

      The Vader Sloots

    62. Maggie on September 19th, 2006 8:11 pm

      1006 this says December Vanity Fair article.

      From the December “Vanity Fair” article about NATALEE’s disappearance while in ARUBA) From VF article,

      Wednesday morning [June 1, 2005; my insertion], as Beth gave her statement to Police, Renfro and Munzenhofer met in the Holiday Inn’s lobby to organize the first search teams. After a series of radio announcements, a hundred tourists showed up, along with a smattering of Arubans and Policemen. Jan van der Straten, the crusty Dutch Police superintendent who would end up working the case was not happy. “Van der Straten walks up and tells me, ‘You can’t do this,’” Renfro recalls. He told me that she wasn’t even considered “missing” for 48 hours. In fact, he told me just go to ladies night at Carlos ‘n Charlies that night, that she would probably show up there.

    63. Carpe Noctem on September 19th, 2006 8:16 pm

      8 or 9 slides

      of her head

      doing a brightness / contrast


      just keep hitting the
      next button.

    64. KELMAL on September 19th, 2006 8:29 pm

      Kathleen, With those pictures why hasn’t the FBI made an arrest ??? LOL LOL !!!!!!!!

    65. Carpe Noctem on September 19th, 2006 8:35 pm


      CLOSE UP


      I’ve just made up my mind that we will identify
      these souls tossed away like trash in the 510-24
      Water Basin.

      OR I am gonna die trying. lol j/k


      We’re in so close
      I could EFFIN READ
      her taste buds.

      Is that peeled off
      duct tape hanging
      off of her mouth?

      mayan, nychic

      I need you. I need your
      eyes and different points
      of view, please. help.
      what do you see?


    66. Maggie on September 19th, 2006 8:44 pm

      #61 Carpe..LOL..

    67. Carpe Noctem on September 19th, 2006 8:50 pm




    68. IndyDan on September 19th, 2006 8:51 pm

      JoranVanDerSloot Profile:
      Is there a profile of a typical predator?
      First of all, predators often don’t see themselves as predators. They see themselves as loving partners with the victims they assault. To them this isn’t rape, it’s a seduction. They even see themselves as merely “dating” And, as with any seduction, it’s a slow and painstaking process. (Predators have been known to wait collecting data on a particular victim, before striking. Although, some set up meetings within a matter of days.) That’s what makes them hard to detect. They don’t appear to their victim to be dangerous

    69. Carpe Noctem on September 19th, 2006 9:11 pm

      We’re gonna get this. It might take more time…

      but it’s a do-able project. The technology and optics,
      it’s all there and being utilized.

      It is just a matter of time. There’s
      alot of very talented, technically skilled people
      donating time to the project. Just say a
      prayer a day for everyone on it.
      That’s all!

      Head 2 – EXTREME CLOSE UP

      CHICAGO 24

      new slide entry:

      Justice 4 Natalee ;)

    70. Allan K on September 19th, 2006 9:51 pm

      Here are the exact charges against Freddy Arambatziz, according to Vinda de Sousa:

      * Intentionally distributing sexual images of a minor.
      * Intercourse with an unconscious person.
      * Sexual acts with a girl younger than 16 years.
      where is here now?

    71. Meee on September 19th, 2006 10:31 pm

      To-Vicki-JusticeforNatalee they give rates for basically all size AD’s

    72. Meee on September 19th, 2006 10:34 pm

      Sorry. To Vicki and JusticeforNatalee one of these days I will get the links right

    73. Minnesota Dad on September 19th, 2006 11:38 pm

      Alright 1006,

      Here is my theory about how this whole thing played out:

      1) Paulus hits on Natalee at the casino
      2) Paulus instructs Joran to get the girl for him
      3) Joran shows up at C&C , slips her some GHB, and the Kalpoes/Joran escort her out of C&Cs to their car.
      4) They stop by the bar down the road and call Paulus and let him know mission accomplished. The girl is on the way.
      5) Girl is highly drugged up….is given to Paulus.
      6) Paulus has his way with girl.
      7) Girl goes into coma and dies on Paulus
      8) Paulus panics…decides he needs to dispose of the girl.
      9) Sickly, Paulus saws up Natalee’s body on the mattress that he had sex with her on. This would explain the bload soaked mattress found by ALE and written off as “dog’s blood”
      10) Paulus pays Kalpoes and Joran to keep their mouths shut – no corpse no crime.
      11) Joran & Kalpoes take Natalee to the lighthouse “to see sharks”. This would explain the human bones found that Aruba ignored. This would also explain the blood…uh…I mean….cleaning fluid and chocolate found in the back seat of Deepak’s vehicle.
      12) Aruban Law Enforcement knows almost immediately what happened while the arrest the two black guys. A bloody mattress shows up. Cleaning supplies show up. Aruban judges refuse to search Paulus’ living quarters.
      13) Karin Janssen and others make the decision early on that disclosing that a high ranking justice official murdering and chopping up a tourist would be extremely bad for tourism. They kick in the cover-up plan. Blame the black guys and drag the case out as long as possible.
      14) Paulus does interviews to proclaim his sons innocence. Perhaps he is somewhat innocent from the standpoint of he procured the girl on your orders and he is a minor. But, Paulus can’t just give interviews….he knows what he did and his conscience kicks in causing him to sweat profusely.
      15) FBI shows up to help. Paulus petitions courts to not allow FBI involvement…..would be bad for Paulus.
      16) Plan to distance the key perpetrator from case kicks in — Paulus is arrested.
      17) Paulus is released. Paulus immediately files suit against Aruba for false imprisonment and to release him as a suspect. His black robed buddies agree and begin creating legal barriers to catching the perpetrator.
      18) Judges give Paulus money…..

      To date, Paulus has not given a timeline that makes any sense. Joran is taking 100% of the rap on this one because he was the minor and the law will treat him with more leniency. But, Aruba knows Paulus is the perp. They just can’t go after Paulus, because their keystone cops act will be exposed.

      So, its a stalemate. Everyone on Aruba knows Paulus is the perp….but are too afraid for their careers to come clean. They know…they have aided and abetted a very serious crime.



    74. yoyo muffintop on September 20th, 2006 1:51 am

      carpe, you’re using the dodge & burn technique. Been around for a few years, no new technology and no optics involved. You cannot “see” somthing in a bag that is not physically pressed aginst it
      Now to a question: If this is in fact Natalee in this bag, and the person filming knows it, why only film it for such a short time with no close up at all? Bag comes in full view at 3:16 and camera starts to move away at 3:23. The pipe on the other side of the road was filmed for a longer time. Please how that makes sense.

    75. Judy W. on September 20th, 2006 2:03 am

      #16: Waterboy, that would have to be his uncle.

    76. mayan_moons on September 20th, 2006 3:50 am

      Hey Carpe!~

      I do see the tape and some other things too. I’ve been rotating & zooming in on these latest still most of the evening. I’ll comment more on them later today.

      which pics are you talking about?

    77. Carpe Noctem on September 20th, 2006 4:03 am

      hi there mr. 10061906

      1006 Question:
      I need someone with a better memory than me. Didn’t the Vanity Fair article come out in January 2006?


      yes, sounds about right… I seem to recall Feb., I do
      not know 100 percent. I think you are correct???

      To those that know for sure?



    78. Carpe Noctem on September 20th, 2006 4:10 am

      hey yo yo,

      after the way you answered a legit question
      that I posed for your earlier today…

      and now you have a question for me… ???

      go play with yourself.

      you were pretty rude.

    79. Carpe Noctem on September 20th, 2006 4:23 am

      yo yo toot and scoot writes:

      You cannot “see” somthing in a
      bag that is not physically
      pressed aginst it


      Depends upon what materials
      the bag is manufactured with…

      Plain and simple, dillweed…

      I have an OLD NAVY BAG
      hanging in my hall closet
      that says you’re wrong.


      Been around for a few years,
      no new technology and
      no optics involved.


      perhaps Ernest needs to
      go back to training camp? ;)

    80. Carpe Noctem on September 20th, 2006 6:54 am


      Let Aruba know how much they
      are wrong today for their —piss poor—
      treatment of the H-T’s, our fellow
      beloved Americans.



      F THEM, &

      Dis… is what I am saying.

      I’m friggin over IT.

      ( see more at THE H A N D. )


      Here is…


      for u.

      JUSTICE 4

      Aruba your behavior
      is most unacceptable!

      B O Y C O T T

    81. msmarple on September 20th, 2006 8:53 am

      #77 – Carpe?

      01/02/2006 – Vanity Fair article

    82. Miss-Underestimated on September 20th, 2006 9:31 am

      RE post 50
      You could loose a shoe in sludge

    83. vicki on September 20th, 2006 10:06 am

      okay, Meee, thank you so much. I contacted the daily news and for 30,000.00 we can get a half a page for one day. They have to approve the text and that is the first step. I am gonna see if I cant get ahold of joem and see what he can do, The people at the Daily News were so SICK of Aruba also. Very KIND and they KNEW WHO NATALEE IS….First step is to send over the ad so it can be approved…anyone????
      I say we owe it to everyonein theworld to know that ARUBA IS NOT A HAPPY ISLAND OR SAFE.

    84. yoyo muffintop on September 20th, 2006 10:29 am

      carpe, if you’re saying I’m rude for answering a personal question on a weblog in a vague way, then I guess I’m rude.
      Now, any thoughts on why such a short time w/no close-ups on a body they knew was in the bag?

    85. Carpe Noctem on September 20th, 2006 10:31 am

      miss u,

      yes ma’m I was thinking the same. That sludge
      can be mussy, and so hard to clean too!


    86. Carpe Noctem on September 20th, 2006 10:51 am



      Comment by Minnesota Dad | September 19, 2006, 11:38 pm


      From your keystrokes… to the big guy’s 84 inch
      wide screen lcd monitor, MD. You GOT THAT RIGHT.

    87. Carpe Noctem on September 20th, 2006 12:11 pm

      carpe, if you’re saying I’m rude for answering a personal question on a weblog in a vague way, then I guess I’m rude.


      Oh prre-cisely #84! I agree.

      I couldn’t have said that better,
      unless I had done
      it myself. ty

      Justice 4

    88. 10061906 on September 20th, 2006 12:30 pm

      To Minnesota Dad:
      I really cannot agree that PVDS could actually dismember a person. My opinion is that he appears to be too much of a wussey to attempt what you said. I also think that Paulus is a spectator more than a participant.
      We have to make an assumption that Natalee was taken to Joran’s pad.
      A few holes in solving Natalee’s disappearance that need to be filled are:
      Where was Paulus from 9:00 PM 5/29/05 until 6:00AM 5/30/05.
      We also need verification of the ATM withdrawals.
      We need to know also the whereabouts using the above same time frame for:
      Jan Van Der Straaten
      Dennis Jacobs
      I can’t see this being premeditated murder. Premeditated rape is more likely. I feel if it was premeditated murder we would have had more consistencies in the initial stories.
      The blood on the mattress; if it is from Joran’s bed; might have gotten there either from rough sex or Natalee may have been able to break away from her captors and fell outside on the rocks around the swimming pool.
      Natalee may have fell, hit her head and they brought her back inside and placed her on the bed. (Something Bad Happened).
      At this point they could not call an ambulance because of all the evidence and circumstances surrounding the injury; or the injury may have been fatal.
      The plan was probably to return Natalee back to her hotel after they were finished but by her dying they had to scramble and distance everyone from Natalee except the last 3 known to be with her.
      Once a lie was told it kept snowballing until we are faced with a full blown cover up.
      Ask each of the above for their alibis individually and I believe then we can piece together what happened. Paulus knows where Natalee is. He may be the only one.
      I cannot explain away the blood the FBI said was in Deepak’s car.
      The truck on PVDS property has “DANA” written on the side.
      That could have been the furniture delivery van.
      The intent may have been to bury her on the Van Der Sloot’s property but they had to schedule a cement truck. So temporarily she may have been placed in a crypt in St Ana’s cemetery. The Cemetery is not even 5 minutes away from Paulus’ house. The police station is on the right as you turn and then the Church and cemetery is on the left. The ATM is a little further down the road.

    89. Richard on September 20th, 2006 12:39 pm

      MD (#73) … I’m not saying that your idea is wrong, but I have one question … if Joran and the Kalpoes were bringing Natalee home to Daddy, why would they need to stop and call? For that matter, didn’t Joran have a cell phone with him … and a call to his house could be easily explained.

      It could be that they were supposed to check and see if there were an unexpected visitor or something, but in this scenario, consider the potential risk of stopping so close to C&Cs, with the other MB kids not far away.

      Of course, precisely the same objection can be raised against my idea … that Deepak went into the bar to signal one of the Pimps. Why stop so close to C&Cs to do that?

      I don’t have a pat answer, but I still think that they had to signal somebody; I can’t come up with any other plausible motivation. We know that Deepak went in and came out very soon thereafter.

      Maybe the other Pimps, or whoever else might have been signalled, wanted to be nearby so that they would have time to start preparing whatever had to be prepared.

      It’s also possible (which isn’t proof, I know) that someone was giving instructions who had a clear head: “Don’t use your cell phones to communicate. They can be traced.” So if things didn’t work out, he/they could get off the island.

      Evidently Joran’s cell phone was used later on. This shows only that he probably forgot to follow instructions. And, of course, the fact that Joran’s cell phone was used doesn’t prove that he was the one who used it. It’s always possible that he had someone else use it as a conscious ploy to provide evidence that he was somewhere he wasn’t (and wasn’t somewhere that he was).

      This view, though, would necessitate the belief that there was a dark, planned-out conspiracy at work from the time that Natalee got into the car, if not before then.

    90. Carpe Noctem on September 20th, 2006 1:52 pm

      Imposserous Wooger Fuzzles–


      TONIGHT ON ABC – The Aruban Broadcasting System

      with Joran pushover Mr. Chris Cuomo


    91. yoyo muffintop on September 20th, 2006 2:07 pm

      Carpe, based your screen shots you are using the program gimp. Only “ernest” would use that for the dodge & burn you are trying to acheive, rather than photoshop or a couple of other programs. I do find your pix interesting, but if you do it in photoshop/opti/fp, rather than the free program gimp, you’ll get better results.

    92. Carpe Noctem on September 20th, 2006 2:30 pm

      Jo Jo

      I have Photoshop, and it is very good… indeed!!!!!!

      In fact, I do call it in on some projects
      where it works better in certain areas.

      …and you just showed me your intelligence.

      I am so very glad I didn’t discuss anything
      with you further. You are truly an effin idiot!
      I didn’t expect much with you gauged by
      your postings, and was not
      let down. Not 1 bit!!!

      …but GO CARDINALS!

    93. Carpe Noctem on September 20th, 2006 2:55 pm
    94. Miss-Underestimated on September 20th, 2006 3:02 pm


      Maybe Natalee wasn’t out of it enuff, she would be able to ID them, they had to get rid of here, then that may be where in came the premeditated murder charge? If she were HEAVY BATTERY, then died of those injuries, then a WITNESS would say SOMETHING BAD HAPPENED TO NATALEE.



    95. Carpe Noctem on September 20th, 2006 4:38 pm

      — again my opinion – and no insider info —

      I think the m,r,p Joran attacked Natalee after
      bite/sexual assault/acting like the GEN.
      ALL AROUND octopuss he is…

      In this struggle, imo ** I think she whacked the hell
      out of this ball-less boy wonder!!!
      (smack, punch, kick)

      …and it f’d his already crumpled, peachpit sized
      brain up but good, buddy roe.

      I hope she broke his fergin tooth that I see chipped
      in the picture taken on JULY 5TH, 2005 when
      J-Bo is smiling big for us towards the camera!!
      (in the car after being sentenced to another 60 days
      in jail – at this point he knew his murderous raping
      rampage was going to be covered up. This is why he is
      smiling. Who else smiles with their only prospect
      left in life… jail. Nobody! ) This was 2 days after
      they had been at THE ROCKS site reconstructing
      THE CRIME. a crime they had no intention of ever
      getting anyone to pay for. imo they’re
      covering up and backpeddling from 6-10-2005.

      He had a dentists trip
      in jail somewhere, no???

      Cavity JORAN? Was it natural…
      or Natalee induced kick-punch
      to the mouth?

      Tell us Dutch Boy, Enquiring Minds
      would like to know.

      Like this guy for instance!


      ———— lol

      …it sparked off “the perfect raging storm.”

      He already had the
      eplosive fuel swilling around
      inside his cancerous gut.

      His mother
      and father,
      total losses
      at the parenting game! This
      apparent. Stevie Wonder could even
      lock in to a great visual on
      this one.

      J-BO stayed out all night,
      sometimes they
      couldn’t even wake
      him to get him to
      school on time, or at all?

      ( Anita
      VDS – Fox Greta )

      Out on school night, all night.

      “It takes
      30 whiskey cokes to
      get me drunk.”

      Joran –
      ALE POLIS Interview Statements

      Underage gambling for cash every night! The HT’S
      and Charles Croes saw this and talked about it even
      in VF.This gave us another window to peek through.

      Do one thing – Say another!

      It’s the VAN DER SLOOT family seal… NO???

      “This is how… WE DO?”

      The fuel was there, and Natalee; in simply defending herself… lit the fuse & set this psycho off.

      She (in self-defense) set off a M.O.A.D.F.T.

      That stands for “MOTHER OF ALL DUTCH F-TARDS!”

      It sparked off a murderous
      rampage. I think he used his knife one her…
      like he came so close to using
      on another girl before – reportedly.

      Reportedly he said to this girl – My dad
      is a Judge- I can get away with ANYTHING!!!

      Joran – He’s feels entitled to it.
      He doesn’t even need to ask!!!!
      They should want HIM —
      they deserve what they get.

      How does the old song go by PRODIGY –
      UP – CHANGE MY PITCH UP!” Yeahhhh,
      that’s the way Joran does
      his “accounting” — If she doesn’t like it,
      she can get the
      back of the hand,

      NUFF SAID.

      I GET WHAT I WANT. — ( that is how I see )JVDS

      Joran’s a “HOLLOWHEAD” –

      Another empty Hollander?

      ***THE HOLLOW LAND***

      -Google it-

      “Learn it – Know it – LIVE IT!”
      –Brad Hamilton FTRH

      …and don’t EVER FORGET IT…
      for sweet Natalee Ann Holloway’s




      They run over her with the car AFTER death…

      each one praying that it disfigures all the
      horror that they know REAL INVESTIGATORS
      ARE GONNA FIND if there is a body 2 B found….
      and when they SEE IT, THEY’RE GONNA FIND THAT




      S H A R K S ;)

      Punks… We see right through each and every one of you!

      Natalee lights the way for us each day. She’s leading
      us back right to the doorstep of each shark.

      many of them
      have moved.





      Led Zeppelin
      Stairway (lyrics)

      And it’s whispered that soon if we all

      Call the tune…

      Then the piper will lead us to reason.

      And a new day will dawn for those

      Who stand long…

      And the forests will echo with laughter.

      ( anybody remember laughter )

      ;) ***J4N***

    96. Carpe Noctem on September 20th, 2006 6:48 pm

      fergin tooth shot
      for reference-


    97. Carpe Noctem on September 20th, 2006 6:52 pm


      That was a major malfunction… ROFL…

      that was Oduber. ( I thin I’ve wet myself )


      Sorry, Here is the
      Joran 7-5-2005

      Teeth Close Up


    98. yoyo muffintop on September 20th, 2006 7:17 pm

      Hey carpe, don’t be so sensitive to someone that questioned your pictures. I can tell your responses that you more than likely do know what you are doing – do you know how many “altered” photos there are floatin’ out there in cyberspace. Anyone who challenges your methods is an idiot huh? I guess it’s good to be the king!
      Good day, sir!

      take the cards -4 1/2 over the rams

    99. KELMAL on September 20th, 2006 8:56 pm

      Vicki. Post # 83, Put me in for $1,000. That is a small prise to pay. See who else will ante up ???? Carpe, Mike, MISS-u, how much will you put in ????????????


      SM:   Kelmal – have you noticed that most of your posts aren’t going through?   I’ve gotten very tired of your childish games and posts.   Expect very few if any to show up…enough of your games (klaasend)

    100. Richard on September 20th, 2006 9:19 pm

      Is it also possible that Joran and someone else … possibly several others … got in a fight over Natalee? Especially if some or all of them were drunk, stoned, or both? We know that the Natalee saga began with the three stooges, but I’m not sure that it ended there. Something may have been started that expanded beyond Joran’s control.

    101. KELMAL on September 21st, 2006 6:31 am

      kla, I’m SORRY if you don’t like my opinions. If you don’t want to hear them that is FINE with me. Luv Ya Kel

    102. Miss-Underestimated on September 21st, 2006 10:31 am


      Hey you put your money where your mouth is, and I’ll do and continue to do with my money as I have done. You’d be surprised…..Luv Ya

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