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There is a new judge on the island, who is supposed to be having a hearing this morning. Also, Aruba’s justice minister has admitted taking Joran’s father into custody to help make him talk. If this is true, it is another departure from how the US judicial system is run, and may be a sign of desperation by the Aruban judicial system. Rumor also has it that one or two of the suspects may be released.
On a brighter note, the full team from the Texas EquuSearch has arrived on the island Saturday. The final 17 members of the team are on site and ready to search.
The benefit for the Natalee Search was a success, as Fox reported on air today that 25,000 dollars was raised. We are hoping to have pictures from the event later on today.
9:31 AM: Four of the 5 suspects, Steve Croes is not there, are in the court house with the Judge that just recently arrived. They will be meeting individually with the Judge and the prosecutor.
10:40 Steve Croes’s is also at the courthouse now, Fox News is reporting that a decision is due soon.
1:30 PM Steve Croes will be released on Monday. Attorney says that he will be released as the judge has determined there is not enough to hold him.
The father of the Dutch teen suspect in Natalee Holloway’s disappearance was taken into custody in order to make his son talk, Aruba’s justice minister said Saturday.
In an exclusive interview with FOX News’ Geraldo Rivera, Justice Minister Rudy Croes said the detention of Paul van der Sloot whose son Joran changed the story he told police about the night of Natalee’s disappearance — could be key to solving the case.
“Any moment, we can have the solution,” Croes said. “I don’t think [Joran], if he really participated in the disappearance of this lady, I don’t think he can hold out for so long knowing his father is detained.”
Croes said Joran and two other suspects, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, were surveilled electronically after being released following an initial round of questioning. He implied that information picked up by such surveillance led to their second detention.
“That’s why, after a certain moment, they were seized,” said Croes.
A judge is to determine Sunday whether five suspects in the disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway will remain in jail.
Their hearing was postponed from Saturday because the judge being flown in from the nearby island of Curacao experienced flight delays, said David Kock, defense attorney for 18-year-old Satish Kalpoe, one of the suspects.
Kock said the judge’s flight was delayed several times, and as the afternoon grew later, the decision was made to reschedule the appearances.
A team of Texas search specialists began a full-fledged hunt for Holloway on Saturday.
“I feel very, very optimistic that we are going to take Natalee back to Alabama where she belongs,” said Tim Miller, director and founder of Texas EquuSearch.
The entire 27-member team, including eight divers and four dogs, had arrived by Saturday night. The divers were to search areas of water Sunday.
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The question is how long can they detain the father if he’s just being held to make his son talk (confess). Without a body, you need good forensic evidence to prove a crime was commited. They probably have some evidence but that could be explain away by a competent defense attorney. NH’s body was disposed of in the sea and if the body is ever recovered then the scenario of an accidental drowning will be played.
It all boils down to, and the Aruban police know it, is that a confession is needed. Without a confession this case will remain cold. Can the suspects remain stoic? Right now, this is still news item No. 1 thanks to NH’s family, but something will come along that will displaced it such as what happened to Chandra Levy and then the pressure on the police is much lessened and they tend to slack off. Like most of us when the boss isn’t watching we tend to cruise!
I agree, what in the world happened to the being held under “resonable suspicion” or the “pre-meditated murder” As the day goes on, we shall hear the results the Curacao judge comes up with after meeting with each of the detainees.
It is very well possible that they are all released and are prohibited to leave the island.
In the meantime investigations can go on. IMHO the fact that there is no body of Natalee (in theory she could still be alive….) makes it very difficult to get any prove
of what happened. There is simply no forensic evidence. Therefore there is no reason that the people who saw Natalee last alive are involved in her disappearance.
Ofcourse there are indications about what happened but nothing is clear yet.
The only way this case can be solved is when one of them confesses……..
I doubt the Aruba police are skilled at interrogation techniques and I’m sure the prime suspects have all been briefed by the Judge-trainee to keep your mouths shut and don’t believe any lies the police tell to try to cause dissention in our ranks.
Despite the outpouring of sentiment from the USA, most of it probably whipped up by PR flacks in Birmingham, the Aruba tourism authorities know they can weather the storm and the best way to do that is to always have her “missing” and never actually found dead. The Minister of Tourism knows that eventually some other young, attractive white girl will disappear somewhere in the USA and the media will go on to a new obsession despite the desires of McWane corp’s PR flacks.
I’m wondernig why people such as FoolsGold are doubting the Aruba police. Does he know how they work, has he expierenced there techniques? No facts just presumptions here…
People should stop jumping to conclusions. There is still no body you know?
Please let her be found alive
Where is the news that was supposed to break this morning?
FoolsGold, you say the people with an interest in finding Natalee are PR hacks, but the others with an interest in the coverup are not PR hacks. Your bias makes me wonder where your interests lie.
Why is everybody talking about a cover up??? Is there any hard evidence???
Jumping to conclusiosn again..
How come no one is telling the truth?
JVD is not telling the truth because if he does it will sink his dad too. Dad helped cover up yet antehr mess his son got into. Just my opinion
Why is everybody talking about a cover up??? Is there any hard evidence???
Jumping to conclusiosn again..
Not jumping to conclusions – it’s called common sense.
REALITY: The single most important piece of evidence is always the body. The police have no other evidence, so far i am aware, to bring ANYONE to trial. By now, Natalie is probably fish food. However, we will continue to see more hystrionics because a wealthy barbie doll blonde with a 4 point did a very stupid thing. People who feel they’re special think that nothing will ever happen to them. Corporate media in America LOVES when this sort of think happens because their’s lots and lots of money to be made off of this family’s narcissism….. millions folks… millions. Natalie is not “everbody’s daughter”…. PLEASE!!!! I guess I missed out on the chartered flight to a Caribbean Island, all expenses paid, with spending money so I could get hammered at the club of my choice, and jump into a car with 3 men I’ve met twice and start sucking face with one of them. What’s at the end of a college education…breast implants? Other missing daughters, also, don’t get all of the Southern America on their knees to pray to their very special invisible man- an invisible man who’s of course better than anybody else’s invisible man. 2,100 reports of missing adolescents come into the FBI, per DAY, yet none of those adolescents make it to CNN, Fox, NBS, MSN, Larry King…. let alone Aruiba..
Yes, it’s truly unfair what happens to blondes in our country. This REALLY belongs on Saturday Night Live…. It’d be hysterical!
Simian, por favor, dejame saber cuando estas aqui…Me tengo que ir en un poco a celebrar mis cumpleanos……
Lucy and Check me: Thank you very much for the birthday wishes—-No hard feelings, checkme—I still am incredibly grateful to you and I think you are a very sweet person and your kindness is infectious.
Subdude: I read your analysis last night…your insight is unbelievable
There are lies upon lies upon lies. With all of the attention this case is getting, any proof of a cover-up would result in long lasting economic problems. Not only would the law enforcement be judged but the judicial system as well. I would believe that PVDS is probably part of a larger corruption system in Aruba, perhaps going all the way up to the PM. With a reputation of corruption and the possibilities that someone could go missing and have it swept under the rug, why would anyone want to vacation there?
S-
you truly are a moron
S: Saturday Night Live? You are heartless!
S, you are one disturbed individual. God have mercy on any children you may ever have.
cruel and heartless
2 TIMOTHY 3:1-5
But know this,that in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away!
S, last I knew, there are two sides of the coin. JVDS’ daddy is a judge-in-training. ‘Don’t really think he wants to jeopardize dad’s position. Per Aruba’s Judicial System -Courts & Judges: All judges appointed by the Queen. Not through elections or political appointments … Appointed for life … Judges must follow special, rigorous training of 6 years, to qualify for appointment.
@kristin in Sc:
Just landed from Mars????
You should be very careful tomorrow drinking milk. haven’t you heard yet?
Cows are eating intoxicated food so the drinkers of milk will see their brains
reduce to 20 procent. It seems a part of a larger corruption system, perhaps
going all the way up to the President……
There is no simple fact in your reaction, only suggestions.
Did you have a birthday Ally?
In the End Of Faith, 2005 PEN Award winner, Sam Harris states: “Of course, criticism and the demand for intellectual honesty are not enough. On the positive side, we need to find creative approaches to ethics, spiritual experience, and the building of strong communities. The scientific study of positive human experience–joy, love, compassion, meditative states, etc.–will undoubtedly play a role here. But this will take time. It need take no time at all, however, for us to realize that the people who invoke God in public discourse are either speaking in empty platitudes or making some very suspect claims about the nature of the world, or about the character of their own experience. We should demand that they start making sense, and if they fail to make sense, we should stop listening to them.”
AllyinMiami: Happy belated B-day and thanks for the compliment.
FoolsGold: If info from Shock, Simian, DanMar and Checkme is accurate, and so far it has proven pretty reliable on those things that can be confirmed, the Aruban interrogators are exceptionally good.
First rule of interrogation — separate the suspects, grill them relentessly and compare stories. Done here.
Second — gather corroborating evidence — cell phone records, security video, witness statements, conduct surveillance. Done here.
Third — Ramp up the pressure. Move them prison from jail, let suspects get a taste of the future if no cooperattion. Done here with move to KIA.
Fourth — If suspect won’t talk, make consequences other than to himself. Done here, with arrest of JVDS’ father.
Fifth rule — Repeat 1 – 4 relentlessly. Done here.
They are very good. My only semi-concern is not moving on the forensic evidence immediately.
Under Aruban law, authorities can interrogate suspects day in and day out for up to 116 days if they meet certain milestones of showing reason to continue. No contact with lawyer or other outside witnesses. 116 days is a long, long time by our standards.
In America, once a suspect “lawyers up”, no interrogation and access must be given to lawyer. Suspect gets a psychological “break”. A confession gained under Aruban techniques would not be admissible in American courts because we would call it “coerced”, in MHO.
I am frustrated, like you. But the Aruban’s interrogation techniques are very impressive to me.
Stay tuned for more from the “Monkeys” , checkme, DanMar. There information is very specific and appears consistent with Aruban law of proof, in my extremely limited knowledge. I am going to hunt around US law today on rules for proving murder without body based on witness statements.
Ciao, for now.
BTW, Good morning all.
Hello Kristin-in-SC … And if anyone travels to Kenya be careful about drinking the brew there. 20 people killed as industrial strength alcohol was put in it to intensify the affects.
S
Are really that stupid with the inconciderate comments about a missing girl?? A girl goes missing, 5 guys are lieing about their stories that evening and that my dear IS A FACT! Even the Aruba police know that or these people wouldn’t be in custody. Across America in most schools there is a traditional class trip for graduating students. My sister went to Cancun, so stories like this not only hit close to home but educate our society that we need to be cautious no matter what.
By the way, if your so inclined to speak of facts, no one knows whether she was drunk, no one knows if she “jumped” into the car with the 3 guys willing, this is all speculation as well… you idiot.
The important fact is that a person is missing, too bad it’s not S, I would be all for stopping the media coverage then!
S: You’re outta control, man. Come on, most of us have exercised poor judgment, at one time or another. No one deserves to pay with her/his life for a bad call. She may even have been drugged before the she left with the boys.
ROTFLMAO Kris @ your last sentence.
could your sister spell inconsiderate upon her graduation…
At least my sister graduated, the FACT is I am typing fast YOU IDIOT
@Vanessa
War there any humor in that last sentence?? Sorry I missed it.
Thank you for the cameo appearance, Sub! Refreshing and very objective.
peace.
no one can be blamed until objective proof is found. pointing fingers and getting emotional, take no where. there is no perfect person in this world, and when people vacation, especially normal young, people tend to become less rational and make mistakes, who has never made a stupid mistake in his/her life, please throw the first stone. don’t waste your energy creating more separation, think and focus on the positive. finding the truth.
A girl is missing, big mystery. thousands of girls go missing, yes, that this one is blonde or american is less important, then finding them and knowing what happened to “all of them” finding just one, especially in a case so bizzare like this one, might bring facts and responsibles to light, that might uncover the fate of hundreds of other females dissapeared under similar conditions. touristic islands like aruba are very zealous about their reputation, because their life-sustainance depends on it. if this girl has not been found until now, with all the much publicized (ongoing) search, this is surely indicative something is really wrong, and more then one person is not telling the truth, to protect themselves, and possible their families. when things are this wrong, and more then one person is hiding truth, that is an indication that there is power behind which could threaten other people’s positions, and ultimately lives. if this is related to corruption, we all know what happens to people who talk and to their families.
please let people do everything they can to find her. we need to bring our attention and solidarity with anybody who disappears accidentally , it is not about one gitl,
it is about waking up to this terrible crime to humanity: raping, kidnapping, killing of innocent women.
for those who are still alive, and in memory of those who are not, I plead you to remain positive, and involved.
mar perlas
Sorry Gare, guess I was lowering myself to S’es level. Thanks for pointing that out to me. But in all honesty, yes, I did find humor in her last sentence considering what prompted her remark.
Just heard that the court is finished with JVD, Jr.’s hearing. Four to go. No word on the court’s conclusion.
I just get sikcened by some of the disrespectful commentary towards a girl who God forbid may be deceased.
There have been many, many cases lately of missing persons reported and I wish I could devote my energy to volunteering for searching in each one!
If it was a mistake or an accident, the second mistake was to lie to cover it up.
and yes that should read “sickened” typing too fast
I just get sikcened by some of the disrespectful commentary towards the arresting of a few young persons who God forbid may be innocent.
There have been many, many cases lately of innocent people being accused and I wish I could devote my energy to keep people fromf judging without knowing the facts!
and yes that should read “sickened” copying too fast
Ultimately justice will be served. No one really gets away with anything forever from the eternal perspective.
Did someone get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning, or is this normal?
Well that will happen when you decide to lie to the police, multiple times. Eventually your innocence is questionable.
hi everyone..just hanging around..waiting for any news from the courthouse…tired of watching the tv but really hopeful for some news that will bring closure on this…for everyone!
Read some of last nights posts..with subdude and shocked….and i am so relievd dthat more is going on that what appears from outside….
It was said on Gerald last night that the father did not get the position as judge. He was told before his arrest. Gee I wonder why?
Yeah why San???
Ofcourse you know the man for years and always thought he
wasn’t fit for the job……
The father studied for judge in Netherlands [three months ago he was still in NL] but he didnt pass the test.
Arubas minister of justice sounds like Saddams minister of information.
Gare du Nord Says,
I’ll tell you why because why all of a sudden does the decision come up now in the middle of all of this investigation about his son. Did you really think they were going to elect him now. His son ruined any chances he might have had. Common sense would tell you that.
San
In holland and in aruba judges are not elected!!!!!!
Kris, I was reading the posts from late last night; did you notice where shock said “we’re” checking the ocean tomorrow? Maybe he/she is with the Texas search team.
The father met with the minister of justice a week before Natalee’s disappearance to discuss what kind of work he could do since he wasn’t going to be a judge.
This forum could have many “cryptic” sources.
What about the statement the PM made during that interview about his belief that Paulus was arrested to put the pressure on the son for a confession?
man this is frustrating every time I post every one moves to a new line of responses …LOL….
I think I know who shock is…..ha…if any one read my previous post this morning….
and again I am grateful…for the wonderful reporting this morning..its not the answers but it is what I have been wanting to see….
Whether elected or appointed. You understand what I meant. They are not going to risk more scrutiny from the public if he would have become a judge with all this going on right now.
who do you think shock is Lou Anne?
Actually, most reports are saying that the father was denied BEFORE Natalee went missing.
Sorry Vanessa I did not see the posting by Shock. I hope that if he/she is part of the search team they are not on the internet, but I am sure they too are interested in what people are thinking and saying.
Vanessa–Subdude–thanks!!! Vanessa, my b-day is today——I am 32!!! I am sorry, guys…I know this is a delayed reaction, I am at my parents house—-we are cuban (go figure, a cuban in miami
) Anyway, my entire familia is here, so i will be logging in and out throughout the day. But, I have enough time to say that S definitely needs to go on some psychotropic meds, as he is obviously not stable. One who lives life in such a ball of anger and pessimism, is not one to seek advice from…Ignore him, as he is probably an anger ball eating chitos at his computer, drinking wine out of a box, & striving to get a reaction from anyone.. All i can say, is what comes around goes around…God Bless. S —when it does….kisses to u all—c-ya later….
I don’t understand how you can hold someone in order to make his son tell the truth. It makes no sense to me to deprive someone of his freedom for no other reason than to make his son tell the truth.
Paulus is a criminal. Telephone communication between Paulus and his son in the middle of the night of May 30th indicates he was aware of what happened, and rushed to the site of the crime to help his son. Conflicting statements he gave to investigators are reasonable suspicions to hold him and get him to tell the truth.
The Aruban officials should do every thing to show they have corrected all the mistakes they made early in the investigation, and no one his above the law.
Tourists need to feel the system works, and powerful corrupt government officials acting like mafia are removed from the system, prosecuted, and sent to jail.
and dont you thin..just maybe we al are a bit defensive…. but this isnt a football game….its not about whos bettr or worse its about finding the right answers to very vague questions raised by an aweful chain of events that led to a vibrant young (yes) all american girls disappearance….from what should have been a fun light hearted celebration trip to a nice little carribian isaland…that we all would have liked to visited at one time or another( those of us who like small carribian isalnds…LOL)
God speed to the judge may her reasoning be fine tuned today…
and god bles those in search of natlee….but please start looking in the right places…LOL
Per Yolande, PVDS did not pass the test.
I can’t believe NATALEE is no where to be found. it’s like here in the USA where the DAD in ILLINOIS was arrested they said he was a suspect of killing his 5 year old daughter. months later they let him out saying he is no longer suspect. in the mean time no other suspects are detained no body charged with killing 5 year old. still unsolved. murderer still running streets. do you think this is what ARUBA wants. false arrest false sense of security for there ISLAND. Or will they wait and see if it happens again. At this point we don’t know what happened to NATALLE it’s all speculation. Don’t you think the 17 year old who doesn’t want to ruin his daddys reputation would have thought about that before he got involved. I am sure his daddy told him this about behaving on the island. we can only pray that these judges of the 5 are honest smart sensitive to this case and can see thru any lie’s like a judge is for.
Theres an article of a good crime fighter in a Dutch newspaper, it gives extra information about Joran and his father:
http://forum.fok.nl/topic/718927 [scroll a bit down]
[also that the father didnt pass his exam for judge]
geesh kristin I know what you meanabout typing fast….typonese at its best
vanessa..as for shock…I think I am gonna keep my opinion to my self….just because…IAM GRATEFUL…he is here….and keeping level headed…but trying to give us what we ask for without jepordizing the case…..
if I end up being right…that is to say if he ever reveals himself…Iwill do the I told ya so here to my family……
Report just in that some of the five might be released, and that Joren and Deepok will not be. They may be recessing for the day. All unconfirmed as per Geraldo.
The only problem: its in Dutch
I know in the USA someone can be put on trial without a body and circumstantial evidence, how does Dutch law work?
Lou Anne: that’s fine. I just thought I missed reading some of the posts
Lou Anne Lewis Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 12:39 pm
man this is frustrating every time I post every one moves to a new line of responses …LOL….
I think I know who shock is…..ha…if any one read my previous post this morning….
:
Gare du Nord:
So what have you been doing with your life since sitting on the OJ jury? Lets catch up.
Gare du Nord is Checkme.
Jeesh where are all our arubian connections this morning…..hummmmm….
question I ask on a different thread this morning…..
wher in aruba is the final resting place for local and business trash? wonder if that area has been searched in detail for forensic clues…in the event of a body or disguarded evidence…..
heres a good question…was nats room key ever returned to the hotel holiday in…..>>>if they use room keys…
heres another nat had long blonde hair…. long hair has a tendancy to leave itself….
wonder if they checked detainees for body marks that happen with a struggle insues….if someone was fighting you…sometimes they leave marks….if nat had to fight I hope she would have left real good ones….
and I still think still other parties were involved…that joran was just a woose who only was part of what happened to natalee….and ran scared to daddy….JUST MY OPINION…..
I am gonna go watch more news now…..
see ya al later
Thanks, Yolande. How about the pic of Steve Croes that reads “Bro from Aruba, Best and Craziest Car Driver I have ever met.” Blue van? Or is the blue van Lorenzo’s?
vanessa was on different thread….
sorry for being vague….os I wont be…I think is reporter…and a very good one…. doing a great job
one thing that has bothered me about this blodging is the vagueness…. so since I am a nobody…I will not try to play into that….
Appears that SC will be released tomorrow at 1PM.
Just in: Steve Croes’ lawyer just said he will be released tomorrow at 1:00pm.
Kristin: Great minds watch the same TV!
So if SC was not a vessel for removal of her body, then what other scenarios could play out? I cannot see him being released if he was involved in her disposal.
I am not Gare du Nord.
Yes, maya, it’s vanRijn’s van.
You know whats funny? Now the Dad can speak to the son. Since his arrest is just a ruse to pressure Joran…..today is the day Dad and son talk while waiting for the judge. I dont like it.
Something else that I have been thinking about is if she did leave on her own, would she not have taken money with her? I cannot remember reading about anything along the lines of whether or not she had any large amounts of cash or had made a withdrawl prior to vanishing.
From 1188′s thread… ShocktheMonkey Says:
June 25th, 2005 at 9:08 pm
To my faithful believers:
This may be my last post. But I’ll tell you what’s going on. The younger VDS did it. No admission of guilt yet, but witnesses to prove. Awaiting DNA results to confirm will be soon. Two more possible arrests. DJ was the “Vessel”. Sorry for cryptic message, but my job is on the line. Still I remain true to you bloggers and the truth shall set us free. A mystery is only as mysterious as the mind allows it to be. Sometimes the truth is right in front of your face …
It’s incredible that minister Croes said what he did about senior vdS’s detention… This proved again that there is no evidence of the vdS’s harming NH.
Oh I just hear Steve is getting out tomorrow, is that ture?
Checkme: you’re back! What do you think of Shock’s post above?
Maybe the release of the supposed “SC vessel” is a tactical maneuver.
Maya, I think it says enough on it’s own account.
Tourists need to feel the system works, and powerful corrupt government officials acting like mafia are removed from the system, prosecuted, and sent to jail.
If going to Aruba for a vacation means to mysteriously disappear, i don’t see too many candidates for that offer, even if it was free.
gttg people, cu ltr…
BTW the prosector wanted to keep Croes for another 8 days, but it sounds like becuz he had already been held so long (the first round of 8 days), his attorney was able to argue there was not enough evidence to hold him for another 8 days and the judge agreed. Senior, on the other hand, was still on his first 8 days, so they can keep him longer.
In response to ydave et al. See under N.H. Evening Updates 25-6 What Arubans need to do soon to preserve thier island integrity.
The story of NH is captivating for both human interest and fate. It is still the No.1 news item because nothing has come along to displace it as happened to the Chandra Levy case. We all know that a single misjudgement whether in a car, boat, or even walking can have devastating consequences. Here is NH on a seemingly happy and safe vacation and one single episode changes all that. It is very possible that if NH returned from Aruba normaly she may have spent the rest of her life without even a parking ticket.
Makes no sense to me as to use PaulVDS to convince the younger JoranVDS to tell the truth . The only thing he will do is tell him to keep his mouth shut. I see no logic in this unless they have microphones in the cells to hear conversation. I think a better solution would be to let them know what people are saying what will happen when he gets out especially if he is a big enough dumn ass to go to school in the USA.
WHEN IN ARUBA DON’T FORGET TO SCUBA………….
YOU MAY FIND THE TREASURE THAT ONCE WAS NAMED NATALEE…………..
I dont think a lot of people from the USA will be going to Aruba for awhile!
no BODY no charges on anyone no NATALEE NOW WHAT. BACK TOO SQUARE ONE.
People will forget just as they have forgotten about the 911 attack.
God Bless Natalee and her Family and Friends and let them find her alive.
Statistics show the longer a person is missing the less likely they will be found alive! Sorry!
For the sake of the family people should stop leaving rude comments, what if it were you? how would you feel when you read things that some of you have wrote, “thegreatpretender” that was very heartless what you wrote.
Do not forget about Elizabeth Smart. Miracles *do* happen. Never give up hope for Natalee.
On Larry King Thursday………
Ms Croes stated that paul Vander Sloot was being held as A SUSPECT IN A PREMEDITATED MURDER…………….
Now the story changes to trying to get the BABY HUEY to talk……………
W.T. F.
DUTCH COVERUP………………..
I am very confident that they won’t find her alive, but there is still hope, until her body is found.
THERE IS STILL HOPE, SHE HAS NOT BEEN FOUND!
Dear Christine
Just being a realist ……………..
Why did the Holloways call the Texas Equisearch ? I think they have accepted the fact that she is propably dead.
I don’t think anybody has forgor about 9/11 and they never will…
I REALLY REALLY HOPE SHE IS FOUND ALIVE AND WELL………………………
BUT THE STORYLINE SHOWS A DIFFERENT ENDING ……………………..
Greatpretender,
I understand, it is just a very sad situation for the family, and they would they find it very disturbing if they read it.
From the Equusearch website:
“Texas Equusearch has conducted more than 400 searches and has safely returned more than 300 missing children, teens and adults to their families. Law enforcement agencies, including the FBI, have credited Equusearch with having perhaps the highest ‘find rate’ (about 70% – with nearly 85% of these found alive) of any search and rescue organization in our nation. ”
85% is something to remain hopeful for.
Hi everyone.. I see croes is getting out. I guess that blows the theory that he provided the transportation
I think we all know the outcome of this horrible crime, and it is just to bad that it had to happen, I would love to hear the real story and what really happen, where was this girls friends? why would she hand out with total strangers alone in Aruba when you have friends there with you? I don’t understand some things, they realized she missed her flight? where were her friends and the adultss on the trip?
I stand corrected? But they are using sonar for underwater search, scuba diving equipment, dogs that are trained to smell for the dead. Do you see my point ? They want to bring NH home even if she is dead? no disrespect intended!
STILL BELIEVE CROES SOLD BABY HUEY THE GBH ………………………………
Any word on the fate of the other 4? I was waiting on the news this morning… The news that shock hinted about last night.. shock could not have meant croes would get out because he would not have known that.
Shock mentioned two more arrests .. where are they?
Who knows… Where is Simian?
10 DAYS LONG TIME TO GET RID OF ANY EVIDENCE……………………
THEY SHOULD CHECK AND SEE IF THE VANDER SLOOTS BOUGHT ANY ACID DURING THOSE 10 DAYS……………
COULD EASILY DISPOSE OF EVERYTHING…NO TRACE OF ANYTHING……………
I agree with they had enough time.. And with papa bear knowing the law as he does he knew exactly what to do!
They report that they are using the dogs, the divers and sonar to rule out any possibility of her being deceased. It is all in the wording and the way they are wording it, they still have hope. I am still subscribing to the possibility that she was “exchanged” for drugs or debts.
Where was the yougest son of the VDS that night NH was kidnapped? Anyone know?
Probably with their mother!
It looks to me like one piece of the puzzle is gone or else they are releasing him because he is going to testify against the others. They said on fox that it was lack of evidence. Why are they delaying til tomorrow at 1:00 if he is found not to be culpable then should be released immediately . Wow ! Have they already evaluated the others and decided to hold them or are they still in progress?
I don’t know what to think… I though Steve was the “music man” and that he was singing. If he was singing, they wouldn’t have let him go would they?
The music man’s song was not on the bill.
Ok I remember you saying this but I need some elaboration. Does that mean one witness will not do or nothing he said had to do with the investigation… I know you cant tell us so I guess we will see.
Think of the worst scenario and that probably what happened………….
Chain sawed her remains and used it for bait …………….
Trash compactor ……………..
Garbabge disposal ……………..
Acid bath ………….
If any of these happened you will never find a thing ………………….
Looks like sc providing a boat theory is out less they just couldnt prove it. Think they said you have to go out a mile before the current takes hold. Anyone know the details on that.
Simian,
who else plays in the orchestra? A Babylonian….
The last hope rests on the shoulders of the cowboys. Ten days, two down, eight to go.
The elder knows the passages in the palace too well. The Babylonians are afraid they might not be able to stop him.
Don’t shake the wire, ’cause the bird will fy away.
Simian,
older PVDS had one ot two cards up his sleeve. They have been played, and lost. Will one of the cards sing?
Shango
My guess is vds will get away with this both of them
Simian,
The Sumerians do not like the Babylonian intrusion.
The Babylonian card may be tossed from the table and crushed under Sumerian feet (or feat)….
The coded messages are strange but make sense… My guess is the “passages of the palace” would refer the legal system there in Aruba?
Shock means well. He understands the Babylonians, but they don’t hold the hammer nor the block.
The alibi needs to be broken. The party-go-ers need to be pressured. They have seen from the corners of their eyes. The house was dusted.
Simian what happens after 10 days they’ve searched for 2 Will they have to release them then?
Simian,
why was the key from the Babylons Palace not used to open the Sumerians Door ?
They have become famished and Eden is beckoning….
simian does not answer questions
Simian,
his lordship did not bring the expected key
the door never existed
Eden is distant
The cowboys have only so much gold. The territory is rough. There are many secrets, but the Arawaks are helping.
The palace is open to all, but the palace is a maze to most.
I see. Its like talking to nostrdaumas. Im new here. Thank you.
Simian,
his lordship did not bring the key for the Arawaks
So it will remain “cowboys and indians”
The posse was too late
The Babylonians don’t hold the hammer nor the block. They are running out of options.
PVDS Waived his right NOT to testify against his son. WTH?
Simian
His Lordship did not bring the key found in the car, it did not exist
The arawaks can’t open the door
Hope lies with the cowbous,
but the posse was too late
Eden is still distant
Hi all
Hi kristin
Why don’t the Arawaks to play the Babylonian Card ?
The posse is far from the fort and the loot is gone
The indians can’t count on the cowboys
The arawaks need to audition the singing card
so much for JVDS’s confession being on last night at 11. Not true.
hi edie, hi kristin
Yeah, that said that was just a rumor.
h kristin
Simian:
Does the key not exist, or has it not be completed in the Hague? There must be a key, for why else would the elder pen a new song for the Babylonians?
For some reason I am getting the feeling that there was not dna evidence
We all saw FARGO, wood shipper.
The key does not exist
The Arawaks knew Babylonian involvement would prove futile
That is why the cowboys left the fort and a searching with the indians
Wood chipper…There is no DB.
Well I imagine it would take hours to chop a body up and put it in a wood chipper.
Shango-
Are you in Aruba?
Jerry – no one has forgotten about 9/11. That is for sure.
A wood chipper would have left dna all over the place. The absolute lack of evidence helps the theory that she was not murdered, at least not on Aruba.
Just a thought –
If anyone from Aruban LE is listening, you may be missing a great PR opportunity for the island.
If the Aruban investigators are indeed doing a great job they need to get that message out.
Obviously Aruban/Dutch law is inhibitng their interaction with the media; but, just as obvious is the fact that Aruba does not possess the kind of sophisticated PR machine that American politicians ansd diplomats have so finely honed over the last 200 years.
Leaks, back channels and trickle down information is still the most effective means of manipulating public opinion; and, the internet, through blogs like these, discussion groups etc is a perfect vessel.
By selective posting and confidence building such as shocked, simian and others have used here, Aruban LE can bnuild empathy for the methodology used in the investigation and cast the whole process in a much moire favorable light.
It’s win-win, we get our appettite for info more acutely sated and the island gets some allies against the Aruba bashing.
Just 2c worth from an agnostic praying for Natalee and her family
Ok sold to slave trade in South America, I agree DNA would be everywhere.
The fallen judge agreed to sing because he can hum any tune
He needs to sing for his son, or see the end of his babylonian offspring
What reason then for the Elder to plan new symphony?
If she was given date rape drugs and mis dosed and put right into the water it wouldnt leave much. After 10 days they might not find much.
Shark feeding frenzy
Shango is not limited to any location, orixas are his messengers
Are you hearing the latest on right now. They say paul v ds has waived his right to not testify against his son
i just heard that natalee is dead, and joran is being charged with murder and the dad is testifying against me
Sorry, I missed that one. So he will sing a false note rather than a requiem? And the music will leave the indians and cowboys cold?
What has the team from Texas found if anything?
against HIM. sorry
going to watch tv, bye
Elder needs to sing to preserve his lineage
To agree to remain silent is to agree not to hum any tune
The Arawaks are desperate, they fear for the tribe, they do not want war with the cowboys
But the loot remains hidden
And the Arawaks keep their singing card hidden as well
The fallen judge and the singing card are of the same hand, but it is dangerous for the Arawaks to play it, because everyone would hear, including the cowboys
NH over-doses on date rape drug and dutchie kids panic and toss her out to sea.
He is playing them probably by doing that. He may indeed be lacking any knoledge. Or . He also may be confident enough in his own knoledge of the law, this may make it so the next time a judge reviews whether or not he should remain in jail, they will have no reason to keep him. I for one dont believe he will ever give anything against his son. But they have to present evidence why he should remain in custody. If I understand the system so far.
kristin where di u hear that Natalee is dead?
The Arawaks may not need to play the singing card
The cowboys won’t hear the music and the teepees will be safe
Wampum is needed as the doors closed on Eden
yea kristin i thought you were joking cause you put me , Instead of him. What channel are you watching
Fox news is talking about it. They said they have to wait until 8 tonight if they will hold papa or not
There really was not enough time to dump her far enough out in the ocean if the timelines all play out as being reported so far.
The wire has been shaken. The bird has left.
So the cowboys in anger would storm the stage as soon as the song began, and the audience would be trampled unfairly? Will the music resume when the cowboy’s exit or does it depend on arrival of mutually agreeable wampum?
This code is getting too weird.
So now they say they will decide by 8 tonight whether or not to release paulus. This explains the ploy of giving up his right to testify against his son. I am still thinking he is guilty for sure. I dont know if I can ever shake that . It would certainly be hard to get a jury. But they dont use juries. Only one man decides the whole enchilada. I suspect they will find it hard to justify holding sr vds now. I dont like the way this is playing out. But if he is innocent then what? Hope they will find Natalee.
i agree kristin, it’s not helpful, more like frustrating. goodbye.
I hust hate to see them get off.
The system is built so that innocent are always protected. One shred of doubt is enough to thrown a case out.
The system is built so that the innocent are always protected. One shred of doubt is enough to thrown a case out.
I don’t believe at all that the vds duo are innocent
Cowboys must behave in Indian territory
The arawaks need pemmican, they have been without wampum, 1 Moon
The Arawaks keep the singing card
One singing Babylonian and two Hindu chanters are enough
His lordships presence guarantees a trio
The key to edens door did not exist
The refrain has already begun
That time line thing is so confusing. Didnt they have 10 days before they arrested them. They were focusing on the security guards and thought they had kidnapped her and werent even looking in the water. And they have seemed to avoid any contact with searching the water except by looking from a boat. They had time to do almost anything. It took til 3 days after he was in custody before they even identified the beach she was allegedly left on.
Has anyone heard form sub dude? He explains things so well!
Simian your Dopple has resumed position
Bird on the wire
You must remember
The Arawaks placed singing beetles with the Babylonian and the two Shivas
They were never alone
Yeah but were they stupid enough to sing
edie, sub is in the libray researching. scroll up to 11:53 am. BTW, good afternoon.
the singing beetles = the wiretaps/surveillance of the boys. hence, they were never alone.
Does the aruban system have the same beyond a reasonable doubt criteria as ours? Certainly nothing I have seen would convict anybody without a body. Im with you edie. But i’m not so sure its not because ive been brain washed by the media. Seems that another feasible explanation would show somewhere somehow bye now. What of the girl posting about the drug dealer and venezuela a few days past. I dearly wish there was some way for them to find her alive.
Because the fallen judge agreed, he can sing any song he wants
A poisonous siren in the halls of babylon
He will sing to keep doors open, much to the cowboys distress
he’s not going to tell them where the body is
I figured that much out… but did the papa and baby bear talk?
Now its all up to the texans
The maze of Babylon is very difficult for the supposed guilty, even if innocent
The Arawaks cannot reveal their singing card
many teepees would be destroyed and the cowboys would get upset
the singing card is bad luck for wampum for many moons
So there must be some type of sacrifice
The gods are hungry, the cowboys are hungry
Great disruption in the halls of babylonian palace
Then even if shes found nobody knows if it’ll prove anything. so long in the water. Looks like they will walk doesnt it.
who are the Arawaks?
I think the bird has been shaken from the wire in order to make the little dutch boy and the dutch father sing, along with the two brothers. Natalie is there. They have to keep looking for her. Tattered and threadly blue jean skirt, broken spaghetti straps, tears, pain, blood, vomit, tape. Many hermit crabs. A tree of unique shape or location. She is there. The evidence is all there. The story has not yet begun to unfold. There is evidence that they missed when destroying other.
I think Anita might be lying as well. But there are friends of these boys that may have some answers. The answers are in the rocky shadows. Please let equusearch find those answers. The intent was sinister and cruel. There are answers. One might be at the casino. Two might be at Carlo’s and Charlies. They have been missed. Something is missing that is crucial. Natalee is there to be found.
S, I think you need electro shock therapy, followed by a couple rounds of bitch slapping.
There will be sacrifice
Tribal elders worried
Bad wampum, many moons
Light the fires
the card being another police cheif or member?
I havent figured out who the arawaks are, only one i know for sure is the cowboys.
where are the birds going to nest when they are let out of their cages? isn’t the VDS house boarded up? obviously, there will continue to be singing beetles, tapdancers, and hawks about.
who is causing the disruption in the jail/courthouse?
Arawaks do not like Babylonian musicians
Everyone in camp hears poison music
Many teepees fall
New wars with babylon
No Wampum, many moons
Light the Fires!
Im not sure if in Netherlands theres a case without a body. I think not. But some time ago a Dutch soldier in Iraq who killed an Iraqi was arrested and there was a trial -even two- while there was no body.
I figured out some of simians clues but with help… I have no idea what some of this stuff is. Hindus- Kalpoes Cow boys- texans Babylonians- authorities.
thats it, i’m lost.
cant do this anymore.
I believe it is the arubian polis or the proscecution. Probably the proscecution.
Oh don’t give up kristin! It is cryptic but there are decoders here.
Last night there was info that one of the polis was involved in a cover up.
I’m not sure how it fits in, but the Arawaks are the native Indians of Aruba. I believe the Prime Minister of Aruba is part Arawak?
What is an Arawak.
To find answers, one must Google if smoke signals blowing in strong wind
Ok so perhaps the Arawaks could mean the native or local residents?
Or the government?
arawak is an indian
Aruba’s first inhabitants were the Caquetios Indians from the Arawak tribe … and now are encrypted smoke signals?
Arawaks hold singing card from babylon
There is also a trio. One Babylonian. 2 Shivas.
Arawaks can’t let babylonian Card sing because hand holding it dirty too.
Many teepees fall. No Wampum.
Cowboys eat Sacrifice. Arawaks eat sacrifice.
Dirty hand stays hidden, but all are well-fed.
Cowboys happy, but unrest in the halls of the palace
Babylon owes the Arawaks!
If the Arawaks and not the Babylonians placed the singing beetles, then I think the Arawak would have to be some gov’t authority (many of whom are of indian descent).
wampum–”The use of wampum as money, even among the English, continued until the American Revolution. Important matters such as treaty agreements were likely to be marked by an exchange of Wampum belts, with designs in two colors, which thereafter served as visual reminders of the event itself, and to call to memory the arrangements agreed on” (Russel 1980: 185).
Amerindians of the “Saladoid” culture, originally came from the Venezuelan mainland. They were referred to as “Arawaks”, because of the language they spoke. Using Trinidad as a stepping stone they spread up the Caribbean and beyond. Ethnologist have noted common characteristics with the cultures of south eastern USA. For many years this led some to believe that they originated there, archaeological finds have confirmed that their origin is most certainly Amazonic.
If Babylonian Card sings, all will fill
Teepees and the house of babylon
We must have a sacrifice
Hide dirty hand
Light the fires!
The Arawaks were a very gentle culture, they preferred negotiation and commercial exchange to war. Their society was characterized by happiness, friendliness and a highly organized hierarchical, paternal society, and a lack of guile
i dont get light the fires….burn the place down? WHAT???
where the hell is checkme and whoever else who translates???
Not good.
I Know! I am a little lost
“Dirty hand” must be revealed, Shango.; it is only right and just. All need to understand truth. How else do we fight evil??
If Babylonian card sings ALL will fall
Teepees and the house of Babylon
If cowboys stay, after the sacrifice, everyone see dirty hand.
No Wampum, Many Moons.
Light the fires!
If cowboys see dirty hand, many teepees fall. House of Babylon falls.
we must have a sacrifice to feed the cowboys.
they go back to the fort with no loot.
Do you think the Cowboys are in cahoots with the ramnifications?
Halls of the house of babylon may suddenly twist to accomodate cowboys walking in the maze.
No loot, but many answers.
Better twisted hallways than fallen houses.
Many invisible spirits around Arawak Fires. Many gods watching.
we must have a sacrifice.
Light the fires!
I think if they go in the right direction they will find her by Tuesday or evidence of her.
There is an item that can indict Joran and one of the brothers. It is also accusatory of another not yet in the spotlight. It is Leather or vinyl. Something worn or accessory. There is telling evidence hidden in plain sight. I think they also plan to watch Croes and see whom he talks with and what he does. She is waiting there to be found. Still.
Silent, Yet screaming for them to find her. One of her fathers have been close, but not close enough. They are holding back hoping that all evidence shall wash away or dissolve but they missed a piece. A very important piece.
The tree is a little bent one third way down. Or it splits into two smaller portions. There is dna there. Struggling, violence, struggling. Choking. Pain. Multiple intrusions. Time is at a standstill or seems to be. Oh, god, the smell, the smell of one is unpleasant to further agonize the victim. He smells. The one who smells of sweat, smoke, body odor and uncleanliness is holding keys.
Elaine are you a psychic?
Do not listen to cowgirls who cast shadows on the walls of doubt….
There will be a sacrifice.
The cowboys will be happy.
The house of Babylon won’t fall and crush the teepees
There will be a sacrifice
Soon many will see smoke signals
Cowboys will go back to fort
But first we need the sacrifice
Prepare the fires.
We need a sacrifice
A babylonian beast. Young Lamb der Sloot
Like fiew in the wind, spreading wild.
Correction: fire. Who will light the fire?
arawaks are lighting the fire
babylonians have no hunger
cowboys want a sacrifice
Babylon was the ancient headquarters for the soothsayers, astrologers, and prognosticators who took sacrificial animals and examined their organs in order to find omens of the future. Frequently, in ancient Babylon, a rock was thrown into a pool of water and the rings produced in the water examined to tell the future. Internal organs of dead animals were also examined. The liver was especially prized to determine the future, to tell fortunes, or to give omens. Gazing at the stars, the practice of astrology, has been common since the beginning of man as a means of telling the future.
From the Babylonians, the practice fell into the hands of the ancient Etruscans. They were the seafaring precursors to the Romans, who became the heart of the Roman Empire. Eventually, all Rome gave itself to seeking in the organs of dead animals what the future intended for them and their armies. In Greece, there was no statesman, leader, or businessman who did not seek from the Pythian prophetess at Delphi an answer for what tomorrow might bring.
This may identify the descendents of Babylon. The Babylonian Card may refer to cards used by psychic readers.
Shango is the deity, orisha whose power is imaged by thunder and lightning
We do not need sacrifice; we need truth.
I agree
I believe Natalee has passed away… I am very saddened but what are we left to think. I do not think she has been kidnapped and held against her will for slavery. papa bear and baby bear will probably walk. Lack of evidence will prevent this case from being solved.. Unless of course the cowboys find her remains. They might not be able to charge them even with the remains.
The babylonians knew it was dangerous to trade among the arawaks
The way is clouded for the sacrifice
Rules have changed, so has the maze
the way is lost for the pioneers who went to live among the indians
The flames are growing
A sacrifice will be made to spare the police;
to spare the teepees
Singing cards have lost their power
Arawaks worried about being caught with dirty hand
His lordship will bestow the title soon….
They will save the teepees and the palace,
but first
The Sacrifice
FYI
Shango was the fourth king of the Yoruba people. He was such a tyrant, that two of his ministers challenged him for the throne. Shango had to flee into the forest where he wandered for a long time, and, finally, hung himself from a tree.
After his death, his enemies’ houses were set on fire, probably by Shango’s friends. But some people believed Shango had gone up into the heavens and was sending fire down to Earth. Since then, Shango has been regarded as a storm-god, whose weapon was the ax, which represented
No, it is something I feel for some reason. I felt things when Susan Smith killed her children. The second day they were missing, as soon as I saw her, I told my husband she was lying. He asked what I meant and I told him that she was lying and that she did something to those boys. I told him I felt they were in the lake, probably with the car. He told me never to say those awful things. I just feel these things and there are no specific times or reasons. I knew when the phone rang once that it was my sister in law calling to tell us his mother was dead. I knew at one time that one of the sisters were very, very ill before they knew it, but not which one. Within two years, one was diagnosed with terminal pancreatic cancer. I knew when Mark Hacking appeared on tv during the initial hunt for his wife that he was lying and that he had killed her. I dreamed she was in a dumpster with threads or strands of threads around her, probably from the mattress or clothing. My husband does not like for me to say those things because they are creepy to some. But sometimes, I just feel these things. I can read people very well. Always have. There is so much under the skin of Joran Van Der Sloot that we have not seen yet. His father has skeletons and there are other things about this that are arye. I would not call me psychic. I don’t know why I feel these things or if they are correct, but I believe she is there in a rocky place or shadowed by rocks. For some reason there is still time to find her, but something changes in this area, not on a regular basis but an irregular basis. Maybe the residing of hermit crabs or other form of decomposer, but I feel she is there waiting for someone to find her.
FYI~
Orisha
are guardian spirits.
The Lucumi Yoruba believe in one Higher Power.
They call him Olodumare.
They believe that each person
has a Guardian Spirit called an “Orisha”.
Orisha are aspects of the Supreme Being
that are manifested as forces of nature.
When Yoruba slaves were brought to the New World
they brought their beliefs with them.
This belief system is known as Lucumi in Cuba,
and Puerto Rico, though it is often
referred to as “Santeria”.
These beliefs are known as Candomble in Brazil,
and Shango Baptist in Trinidad.
elaine, you think she is still alive but barely hanging on???
How can The Sacrifice be prevented, Shango?
Okay what I’m hearing is that either young VdS or Sr. will be sacrificed by the singing trio (Kalpoes and perhaps Croes or another) but the Babylonian will not sing (which is the person who really knows the truth). He is being kept silent by the native members of the group that don’t want to bring see everything come tumbling down. Not sure what “everything” is — either the Natalee scheme or something much larger — but instead since a mutually beneficial agreement cannot be found, Joran or his dad will be wrongly tossed to the wolves and a false crime pinned on them in order to satisfy the cowboys and those whose livelihoods ride on tourism and good relations with the US. Because the authorities are not being “fed” the answers they want.
the babylonian can only be
mrs vds
lorenzo
other police officer/member
We need a sacrifice to appease the Arawaks and the Cowboys
Teepees already swaying in strong babylonian wind
House of Babylon does not want a sacrifice
They do not care about Arawak Teepees
only wrath of cobwoys
I am sorry I do not think for one minute the vds are innocent.
The sacrifice is the correct food to appease the gods, arawaks, and cowboys
but the foundations of the house of babylon will shake
even harder if Arawak Dirty Hand is revealed
The Arubans and Americans demand closure to this issue. The polis do not want to do it, but they are going to pin the crime on Joran because they’re afraid of what America will do without closure, monetarily or worse. Does this mean the hand of guilt is not attached to the lamb, but another?
someone else is involved in the cover up?
Anne-
Do you think the vsl are innocent
Shango: the corruption and sins are greater than the parties we know?
It involves the drug cult, possibly related human trafficking and this would cause too much fear for all innnocents not to mention cause the house of cards to fall???
Elaine, ever since I saw your post yesterday about a rocky place and hermit crabs I’ve been thinking about the Casibari rock formations on Aruba. I think they’re inland somewhat, I’m not sure how far from anywhere else on the island, but I can’t get the image out of my head. Granted it is a tourist spot, but not easy to get to.
I’m not psychic, so maybe you or someone else more intuitive than I can get something from this (or not?).
Every tribe has bad Indians
Every fort has bad cowboys
If sirens sing a poison song, all will get sick
Arawaks and cowboys working well
Arawaks fear wrath of cowboys for DirtyHand
But babylonians live in teepees too
If the house of babylon is to remain erect, it must protect the babylonians who have lived in teepees, among the arawaks, for a long time.
babylon will agree to a sacrifice of newer teepee dwellers to prevent the story of dirtyhand being made public
Dirtyhand scares arawaks too
the sacrifice will be the correct sacrifice to appease the gods and cowboys
cowboys will leave without loot
It may be that NHs disappearnce has something to do with crime bosses trying to extort Arubian officials into allowing them greater freedom to operate on the Island or sell the Island some type of protection. If people start turning up missing or dead and the public officials cannot handle it then everybodies’ rice bowl gets smaller.
The Sacrifice is not innocent but is not the ultimate cause of the crime???!!
Call it a conspiracy theory; but the subculture exists and thrives. How do we arm ourselves and our loved ones against these evils???
is the loot natalee or money
Meetings with his lordship will reveal several mysteries
the sacrifice also knows the fires have been lit
We need to support the efforts of Natalee’s family and the Texas Equus. Their leader has experienced the loss of a daughter and is driven by passion and love of his daughter.
Whatever the outcome, we need to be less naive about the subculture that feeds our economies, yet corrupts our souls and the innocence of our descendents.
dirty hand is very muddy!
Kristin: I don’t know anymore who the singing Babylonian would be, really. And edie, I don’t really know about Joran, either. Instinctually I believe he is guilty (Occam’s Razor) but since the politician in US said this case is different than any other missing/kidnapping case, I suspect perhaps he might have been a convenient scapegoat. He and Dad might be involved in some bad business, but what our Aruban friends here intimate is that it’s nowhere near as pervasive or insidious as that of “DirtyHand” – or whomever is truly responsible for Natalee’ s ultimate fate. Not even sure if I’m in the right church, let alone pew.
the fires..meaning what?
Is the loot viable and tucked away, or hidden and lost?
The simplicity of Occams Razor is often outweighed by the complexity of maintaining factors in an elemental state
Sandy, if you live on Aruba maybe you could direct someone’s attention there. Maybe one person will listen. I do not think that Beth Tweety will accept a sacrificial lamb answer. Yound VDS is involved up to his evil eyes. Could the arawak dirty hand be T?
Is T the dirtyhand. Or someone bigger? Is Lorenzo also locoman? For Kristen, I think, I wish for her to be alive, but I have this feeling she is not. Unfortunately, I believe she was alive through all the ugliness and pain. Through more than she should have been.
I think if Aruba wants to restore itself and its honor, they will go deeper into this and very soon. Hopefully, Beth Holloway will not give up. Nor the cowboys. There are answers and there are bigger questions out there. But for now, I believe it is of the utmost importance that they find her and find therein the evidence to put away the hearts of stone.
The pain the sacrificial beast will feel depends on how quickly the cowboys return to the fort.
With the release of Croes, maybe its simpler than what I have been posting. It just might be Joran and his father. The brothers may have some information, but may not be involved in either the alleged death or disposal of the body.
As long as there is no body and no confession, there is no case!
Fyi
On Foxnews:
Suspect’s Father to Be Released
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160699,00.html
Does Shango liaise with Simian?
the fort
the fort being someone’s home, or is it a landmark
The Arawaks are not going to sacrifice a scapegoat
Babylon needs to allow one sacrifice to keep DirtyHand hidden
Babylon scared of DirtyHand
Arawaks scared of DirtyHand
If sacrifice is made, teepees are safe, villagers and cowboys happy
If DirtyHand discovered, House of Babylon falls, Teepees crushed under great house
Shango, hierarchy of classes? rascism?
Croes told the polis that he personally saw VDS and the Kalpoe boys drop Natalee off at the HI. A place they no longer claim to have left her. HMMMMMMMMM. Smells like a liar to me. Supposedly, he does not even really know VDS, so why would he alibi them????? I have a hard time buying that he would put himself in the light by doing that.
Why can’t they fall? Isn’t it about time? Can’t we rebuild with justice and honesty?
This isn’t just Aruba; it is Pleasantville, USA and any other international locale!!
Arawaks want to make cowboys happy
Babylonians want to maintain integrity of Great House
Gods of the cowboys know there was a game in the great house,
and so DirtyHand was discovered
But the sacrifice will be offered before dirty hand sings
He will return to babylon, broken but anonymous
Fear is what perpetuates and strengthens DirtyHands everywhere!!!
arawaks and babylonians often fight, but this is kept from the cowboys as it can affect wampum for many moons.
And that is all??!! Will cowboys know DirtyHand?
paulus is let go now
Sounds to me like Aruba has an ‘alter-ego’ the world (particulalrly USA) would not like of they knew of it and the fairytale Aruba everyone believed in would suffer if they did
The babylonians are to blame.
The arawaks were worried about teepees and the cowboys.
They did not bring DirtyHand into the Tribe!
He will go back to babylon broken, after the sacrifice is eaten
Unfortunately, I’m not on Aruba, or I’d be tempted to go to the Casibari rocks myself. i’ve only been to Aruba once. Now I’m going to be spending all night looking for my Aruba pictures.
If DirtyHand sings, sacrifice will still be eaten.
But there will be many more people at the feast, and the cowboys would resent the Arawaks for Babylons interference.
Shango, if DH goes back broken, why can’t identity be revealed??
I guess I need to go get my secret decoder ring to play with you all. This is too much.
Anyone remember SHOCK saying late last night that when we wake up, there will be some big news proving his posts are real? Not to doubt anyone, but what was the big news this morning? Only news I see it that Croes and PVDS are set to be released on Monday….which is totally opposite from Shock’s comments last night.
Thoughts???
Well if there is any connection to what any of us has felt or seen, last week i dreamnt of a yellow canoe face down awash within a cul-de-sac of rocks.
dirty hand = pops?
Many at the feast?? To benefit economically, I suppose. The “beast” is a criminal but part of, and or, guided by greater criminals!!??
What a sad statement of affairs. They did just let Paulis go. It is a mistake. Maybe all judicials there are part of the bigger picture. Should there be international agencies involved? Maybe the DEA needs to keep their ears on the tracks leading down the carribbean. Or maybe they are wanting to watch for his next moves.
They cannot get hung up on this one thing. The central focus must be finding Natalee. She must be found. Finding her will unravel the whole ball of yarn. She is there. Her mom even felt she had been in the VDS house. Her mom is serious about not leaving without her. She must be found. She can with some focused scrutiny. Please let her be found.
Kristin: the fort is America, the cowboys home.
The release of the elder will stoke the fires of cowboys and Arawaks; is this to be the true sacrifice -Babylonians silencing the elder blaming it on cowboy style justice? Is the elder safe?
We are all supporting Natalee’s mom and family, the US searchers, and hope.
i cant play this game, i really cant.
are they releasing joran too?
His lordship did not bring the key, it does not exist.
doors to eden remain closed.
The arawaks hold the singing cards. They have the babylonian and 2 shivas. But the other card is dirty.
Even if you play cards in the house of babylon as an arawak, you still have DirtyHand.
If DirtyHand comes out of hiding, Babylon will fall and the cowboys will circle the wagons.
DirtyHand can destroy the Arawaks and Babylon.
Better to prepare the sacrifice quickly so the cowboys go home
….without the loot
Kristen, I am with you. I guess we both need to go get our secret decoder rings.
i guess mrs twitty needs to go hold a gun to paulus’s head and demand him to tell her where they put natalee. no one is going to find out the truth until another death occurs. i can feel it.
when are they going to arrest lorenzo?
Is there no way to control Dutch coverup, IF that is the case???
The US needs to tread carefully to practice what we preach on human rights, yet pressure the Dutch to do what is right.
Americans will go to Aruba because they will be lured by “deals”, until this “blows over”. Their economy will rebound.
Today, truth and justice needs to reign for the sake of all peoples. We will be left cynical and disbelieving.
Ragalee,
I remember “Shocks” comments. I also remember questioning him on what would happen today if his comments were not proven to be true. He stated “it wont happen”. Now I guess we all can see that his comments are not to be taken so seriously. There are lots of very smart people on her talking about what they know and what will happen. I believe wholey that these smart people are just talking a bunch of riddles that have no proof behind them. They want to make us all think they are close to this investigation and that they know more than everyone else. The problem is they have given us no more proof than the Aruban police or the reporters have. Unfortunately I don’t think they will in the future either.
There are many DirtyHands among the Arawak, and so it has been for centuries…
Alas, I know think none will be prosecuted. No body, no crime. PVDS is going to be let go, and I suspect the rest will be dribbled out over time.
We will never know what happened to Natalee, and her family will suffer the worst. What a shame!
Jr vds needs to confess so that the Texas team stops searching and goes home – even if Jr doesn’t really know where the dad dumped the body????
do they have plea bargains in aruba?..could pvds make a deal…tell what he knows..have joran confess to reckless manslaughter (do they have a similar catagory in aruba) in exchange for a couple of years in prison,for example?…could this be going on right now?…simian, are you there?
Something tells me that they are holding them all with no evidence to keep them. I think it is all because of the pressure being placed on them to solve this mystery. It is all very sad for all of the people involved. It is sad that Natalee is missing, and her family is going through hell. It is also sad that the famalies of the people in jail right now are having to go through this. Especially if there is no proof as to what really happened and who did it.
Makes sense in light of what Shango has been saying. Still, it isn’t over till it’s over. Have faith and hope. God knows we have the charity
TK, I also remember your post from last night and SHOCK’s reponse. I wonder why the two of us are the only ones mentioning this? I am fine with everyone providing ideas and opinions, don’t even mind if people are acting like they are close to the case, and have inside information….however, the one thing that I can’t understand is why the RIDDLE game? Do some find it fun/challenging? It is just annoying me…not to offend, just speaking my opinion.
At any rate, I must not be too annoyed b/c I keep coming back and keep reading.
i think simian is shango
ragalee,
me too.
i think they are doing it because they feel that they will get in trouble if they just come out and say it. even though everyone is entitled to assume and give their own opinion. for some reason, simian/shango-WHOEVER won’t do that.
what a shame, i have lost interest.
going to a different blog. what a waste of my time!
-dissapointed
Kristen, where are you going? THis is the only one that I know about…
some people do love being clever and making people run around trying to de code their riddles. In any other case I might try to de code it myself. I just don’t think it does anything but confuse people and cause more false gossip to continue.
I am with you though. No matter how I feel about it, I keep reading. lol
All preceding stated is verifiable
DirtyHand is well known
there will be a sacrifice
the gods have been talking
the fires have been lit
the cowboys will go back to the fort without the loot
that is why they are preparing the sacrifice
All fear DirtyHand
Arawaks and babylon
I must go feed the messengers
ragalee, we can chat online if you want.
i have chatted with other people from here in AIM.
interested??
if it is so verifiable then tell everyone how to verify it!
That would be the nice thing to do. 
It’s not that difficult to understand what shango says.
Helemaal niet.
Shango is not a Simian Doppleganger and has his own messengers
Will someone who found their lucky decoder ring and is wearing it today, please, translate every think Shango just said in plain English to this dumbass redneck? Thanks in advance.
please go shango, you aren’t being helpful.
even if people do think they can decode you, no one knows for sure….leading everyone to receive and interpret miscommunication.
No-one in admittance knows whether the riddlers are charlatans. They may be, they may not. I myself am open-minded. Predictions based on ‘insider’ knowledge can be made in good-faith based on a real-time understanding, but things can change suddenly and influence outcomes, so this has to be considered possible here. Time may, or may not, tell.
Leaving all that aside, my gut feeling is that there is corruption within the Aruban heirarchy that would shock the world if it became public – someone knows the answers to all the questions; whether they will raise their hand and come clean is another matter.
K, I’ll go anywhere to chat, as long as I don’t have to decode messages anymore.
I suspect that there may be former date-rape victims of Joran van der Sloot lurking on this forum. If you are such a person, then I would advise you to contact the FBI or to send a private message the founder of this forum. As a participant on this forum, I can attest that the founders of this forum is a person of integrity and is a person whom you can trust. You may wish to work out an agreement with him as to how you want that information to be handled, but I would urge anyone who has been victimized by this man, or who feels that she may have been given a date-rape drug by him, to have their voice heard.
Prof, what makes you say this? Very interesting post, brings many thoughts to my head.
Utmost respect to the Professor.
Concerned UK said it in the best terms. I’m not meaning to imply I have knowledge — I don’t. Just enjoyed trying to decode and ask questions that might get answered. As with all of you, my spirits have dropped with the release of the father. I suspect the rest will eventually be let go and we will never know the facts of this case and Beth will never get her daughter back. This is heartbreaking. I also believe that Joran will not be anyone’s sacrifice. He will go free and Aruban LE think that this will all go away eventually. For the first time since she went missing, I hope we never forget or let go of trying to bring the guilty to justice — no matter who they are or what it means to expose them.
I would hope that after a month of seeing Joran on tv and everywhere else, that any other possible victims would have come forward by now. I don’t think they would be able to sit around and watch all of this without coming forward.
It may just be that there are none.
Kristin
Hi.
Anne
What if the father is being let go for the right reasons, either they have nothing against him or indeed he has no participation in this mess.
My name has been adopted by ConcernedUK. If that causes confusion, I’ll identify myself as Concerned USA. Just let me know.
Good old Concerned is find. No confusion there…
I do not feel the cowboys will go home without the loot, but I know that Beth Holloway will not. There will be answers. There are many Americans that will change travel plans until and unless the truth is found. There is a stalling in the engine somewhere.
There needs to be pressure put on the government of Aruba to not let this thing cool off. Natalee is there and there is much to unfold. This is bigger than Natalee. They must dig deeper and soon.
Thanks, Lucy.
Elaine my sentiments are with yours.
Elaine,
What good will it do for anyone to stop traveling to Aruba? Do you think that will make this whole thing go away, or make Natalee’s family feel better? I just don’t understand why so many people keep making statements like that. It does not help anyone or anything. I for one am an American who would love to one day visit Aruba, no matter what the outcome of this ends up being.
We need to stay focused on truth and justice. it can only help us in so many ways in the future. I teach my kids that they can make a difference. I do not want to have mislead so many of my students for so many years!!!
Rag. I also wish someone would de-code Shango. I didn’t come to this site to play head games.
Lucy:
If he is let go because he is not responsible, then of course that’s fair. But if he’s let go because there’s not *enough* evidence, but still suspicion, then that’s bad. Nobody wants the wrong people tried and convicted. I don’t. That’s for certain. However, it seems terribly wrong to bring him in and create false hope for the family only to shatter that hope within a few days.
From Fox, (sounds like an “excuse” to cover a bad decision to me….
“Croes said Joran and two other suspects, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, were surveilled electronically after being released following an initial round of questioning. He implied that information picked up by such surveillance led to their second detention.”
Thoughts?????
Anytime there is gambling…there is organized crime skimming some how some way…Aruba although a Dutch Protectorate does not perhaps have the internal resources to threaten or control organized crime….NHs disappearnce may have a lot more to do with the Aruban government losing its grip on the local law and order than anything else….meaning the elements of organized crime can do or take what ever they want on Aruba including a NH.
If VDSjr is the type of sexual preditor he has been made out to be…then one would expect that there would be other victims…as of yet none has come forward…may be there are not any.
Anne
If they don’t have enough evidence, they have to let him go. Plus, there was a lot of pressure put on by the family to check him up. You could see this in Mr. Holloway’s interview, of four days ago, where he metioned him by name, and also in Mr. Twitty’s interview, when he was discussing what he had done to coordinate the Texan Search Party
Regalee
This has been commented since their detention. That they did not have enough information to warrant a judge ordering their detention and they had to gather information, such as ellectronic survaillance, checking of phone records, sending for forensic analysis of materials found in Deepak’s car, etc.
Lucy, continued:
Oh, and if they did take him in with a dearth of evidence for the purposes of “making Joran talk” then it is equally unfair to Mr VdS and the rest of his family.
My supposition is that Pop knows a lot about all this; did junior not call him in the early hours of the fateful night? Surely he would have been concerned that his 17 yr old son was out either (apparently) alone or with a foreign dame?
It bothers me that the Aruban officials are so quiet about ‘developments’ in the face of such pressure yet can arrest and release people seemingly at will without qualifying their actions. I’m feeling they may be having difficulty in manipulating the situation so they can make worthwhile announcements without jeapordising whatever it is the country is hiding, beit corruption, value of tourism or anything else.
He has almost certianly coached his son, and as has been mentioned here, the longer the mouths stay silent the more their chances of walking, so unless any major finds are made in terms of evidence they have no reason to confess what they know if it’s likely to implicate them further as probability suggests nothing will be found – they have nothing to lose by staying silent and probably their freedom to reclaim.
Anne,
Oh, and if they did take him in with a dearth of evidence for the purposes of “making Joran talk” then it is equally unfair to Mr VdS and the rest of his family.
I totally second the above statement. If they did this to him for no reason other than to make the other family feel better, then they definitely owe him and his family a public apology and much more!
it isnt fair to ruin a mans life for no reason at all, no matter what the circumstances!
Anne
Yes, but perhaps they took him in to eliminate or dissipate doubts. The fact that he ran away from cameras (embarrased, confounded?), held back, hid behind the bush, kept quiet and didn’t say much in the interviews, told his son, as an expert of the law to keep quiet (or as any lawyer would have told him), and always seem distraught, may have contributed to people concluding that he was a co-participant. Maybe he is not that strong or the events of this case and his son being implicated, have crushed him and thus, the image he projects.
Hello all,
I too wonder about the gambling / casino angle. Early on, the VDSs seemed so wealthy, and the younger one had seemingly endless $$ for drinks, gambling, etc. Poppa liked the casinos too. Wwizard (or something like that) kept repeating “follow the money.” Where was Poppa VDS getting HIS $$?
How can we have faith in Aruban LE if they would arrest on “image projection” Lucy? Is it a cultural conflict or breakdown — does LE see massive interest in the US and parents who are angry and distraught and mistake the desire for justice to be a desire for quick action, even if it’s unethical? If they did it to dissipate doubts, it seems to be having the opposite effect, because now it looks like they blundered or are toying with the family’s emotions. Hope this does not sound hostile or upset, it isn’t meant to be. I really need help understanding both the arrest and release from the perspective of Aruba, not America.
Wht is happening? I be out all day with my overweight Danish wife.
What if Americans feel threatened by this incident. In the blink of an eye, anyone’s young daughter can be taken anywhere. But in Aruba, we have just seen it happen and it is about not allowing the perps to slip away. If someone can look at you and lie several times, he is lying about being innocent. Joran does not look like a kid that is very easily intimidated. I doubt that they have intimidated him at all.
I do think that in Alabama, they should talk to her friends again to see if anything might click. They might remember something about that night that seems insignificant or unimportant that can help. Even if it is something that Joran might have said.
UGHH…. All this is making me nuts……. I do not ever see it ending , these freaks will walk and nothing will ever be solved. I guess I am going to have to go back to hanging around eBay now I just can not stand to think that there seemed to be a close end to this madness for this story and this family but sadly it seems the crooked will be free.
I read somewhere that the prim minster’s daughter was tought buy one the VDS if that is the case funny how he said the reason PVDS was being held only to make son talk, when just Friday they had him on suspsion of murder or involvment…….. seems the buddy system has worked for the failure judge. Guess since the 30 he has brushed up on his legal studies and praticed the wronge side of the law, be the dork can pass that test with flying colors now…. exspearence is everything he surey had himself a crash course.
Lord I hope this does not end with NO ENDING meaning the guilty walk and play and Natalee and her family never have the peace they are so entitled to.
Hi everyone. I guess papa bear is going home tomorrow
Anne
What I meant was that if your behavior does not conform with one of “innocence”, or no fear, total control, then sometimes that is misinterpreted. It happens everyday, everywhere.
Lily
Anita van der Sloot is a teacher at the International School of Aruba, where Joran went and maybe, where the PM’s daughter goes/went.
Must be so nice for him to go home and sleep in his own bed , but Natalee’s family and friends and countless searchers are stuck in hotels and away from their familys.
Lucy it seems so crazy the whole mess, to many people “know” one another and will protect each other.
Who is Nemesis Trapenberg. Is she related to Rueben Trapenberg, the gov’t spokesperson? I am feeling that could be a yes. She is with the group that hangs together. Joran, the Kalpoes, Jaime, Locoman, Mark, Brenton, and that gang. Some of which do not seem so alltogether. Is it possible they are all sticking together for fear the bigger things are going to come out as well?
They must find Natalee. She is there and is waiting to be found. Her soul will not be at peace without being found.
I would just like to chime in with a possible strategy being manuvered in to place by the Aruban authorities,and that involves the release of SC tomorrow at 1:00pm. Little has been leaked, or reported on regarding the detention of SC. Speculation of course has him as the dirty drone for the detained. The authorities used it once, why not again? Let SC out, AND WATCH HIS EVERY MOVE. If one really wanted to stack the hand in ones favor, release a second detainee–wired if necessary–and wait for SC to implicate himself and/or others…….
Elaine, where did you find the name Nemesis Trapenberg — does she have a profile?
Hang on and I will be back to you on that. I will find the actual html if I can.
Hang on for a minute. I will get the link. I thought I had it, but it did not copy.
Nemesis Trapenberg (Female, 17)
Visited within the last month
Location: Aruba
http://profile.tickle.com/_Qnu-pZVMaVt15z_
The deal is many of these kids are on this tickle.com type of hookup thing. It is more of a friends and groups thing. Before this all happened Joran was on it, but all his stuff has been removed. He is however, on another couple of friends pictures and albums and it shows his butt all partied up and passed out. It also shows him with young females. It shows his signmaking abilities with his fingers. He just comes off as so arrogant. Deepak, Satish, Locoman,Jaime and if you look at Nemesis site you see Joran and Jaime arm in arm. Valentjin’s VDS site is still there. I am also wondering if Croes has brothers or relatives in the teenage years. Go there and start looking and reading.
Elaine – you might want to post this at the ‘rumors and spec’ board. I find it rather interesting and there are folks there who know the island and its people well. Might know if Nemesis is Ruben’s daughter.
http://photos.tickle.com/Rxc18At2mGMhCqth
Ok… whoever this person “S” is with the above opinion… the one that is so crude and vile… I would just like to tell you that you are definately one sadistic piece of human debris and with any luck at all when you pass on, you will burn in hell!!!! (let’s just hope that your passing is soon and you suffer!!!!)
I would just like to know if you yourself have any children and if so, i certainly feel sorry for them… being raised by such an IGNORANT and WRETCHED piece of illiterate trash like you!!!!
Believe me, someone needs to be praying for you…
Ok… I am now off of my soap box and need to get to what is important here…
WHERE IS NATALEE????? Someone there in Aruba knows where she is and exactly what happend to her that ill fated night. Why is it that the police and court system cannot get to the bottom of this case???? I am married to a Police Officer and believe you me… he thinks that the amount of time that has been wasted by their government officials, etc… is absolutely INSANE!!!!! They need to be confiscating computers,telephones,luggage,clothes that were worn while on vacation there! The thing that really gets me is that all of her “friends” just cannot believe that she is missing and that they all thought that they were taking care of her and that she was being watched out for when in fact, they obviously were not doing as great of a job as they claim to have been doing!!!
I can tell you this much… if that was one of my classmates/friends, I would still be on that Island searching and raising hell until I got the answeres that were needed to solve this crime!!!!
I think that Natalee’s mother is one of the strongest and bravest ladies in the entire world… she is so involved in the search and she is making her presence known and letting them know that she is ther to stay until she gets the answere’s that she needs and deserves!!!
Does anyone know if Natalee by chance had any kind of internet communication with this Joran prior to arriving on the island?
All I can say is that i hope and pray that they find her and that by some grace of God she is alive and can be reunited with her family and tell us all what happend on that last night before she was to fly back to Alabama.
I am praying for you Natalee and no matter what anyone says honey… YOU DID NOTHING WRONG… you were there to celebrate your graduation and have a little fun and whatever has happend to you… the people that have taken you away from your family and friends, need to pay the price for what they have done!!!!
I will pray for Natalee’s safe return and my thoughts and prayers are with the grief striken family!!!!
May God be with you…
I will say a prayer that everthing turns out for the best also. I guess in the end you can’t give up on hope.
Kim:
Noticed how long it’s been since this person visited his tickle site. Think something might be up with that….
That “S” thinks he’s so smart when he typed “their’s” when it should have been “There’s” as in “there is”
He is evil, moronic and most likely is a secular humanist who worships SATAN
This is UNReal! I just watched FOX…they interview 2 catatonic classmates of Natalee’s – real bores – and her Aunt Twitty(last name of Twitty). Those 2 classmates had no more personality than this chair i’m sitting in
The twitty aunt, Kelly I believe, is a cousin of Morticia.
Yes, but if you start looking more at some of the friends of friends you find the circle interesting. I do not think that the Nemesis girl is involved in the situation, I am wondering, however, if the links are there between the elders in the village. The tightness or a bond. But if you start linking some of the people together, you see there is a circle. If you read the bio of one of this circles friends you read gangster or involved in organized crime type of thing. A bad ass.
There is more to this then just a disappearance. There is more to this than just a murder. Natalee is there. The answers are in the casino, the bar and in the rocky area or shadowed by rocks. There is a tree among the other evidence items and it has information. There are other things hidden in plain sight. I hope they find them soon.
Yes, but if you start looking more at some of the friends of friends you find the circle interesting. I do not think that the Nemesis girl is involved in the situation, I am wondering, however, if the links are there between the elders in the village. The tightness or a bond. But if you start linking some of the people together, you see there is a circle. If you read the bio of one of this circles friends you read gangster or involved in organized crime type of thing. A bad ass.
There is more to this then just a disappearance. There is more to this than just a murder. Natalee is there. The answers are in the casino, the bar and in the rocky area or shadowed by rocks. There is a tree among the other evidence items and it has information. There are other things hidden in plain sight. I hope they find them soon.
Natalee must be found. She is there and evidence is in several places. The VDS family thinks they are above the law. There is much more to this than one crime. Many crimes and many secrets. Many people have said, “What good does it do to call for a boycott of Aruba?” It does a world of good. The American money is liked well enough there. The few that are “holding all the power strings” think they can wash this away? One lady that is a travel agent has reported 500 cancellations to Aruba or surrounding islands in two days and rebooked these people to American, Mexican or European locations. This is one travel agent out of how many.
It will not be admitted until it is so painful they cannot tolerate it, but it will affect the country of Aruba. There is no excuse for not following this immediately when it happened. Why would you arrest the two security guards immediately for Natalee’s disappearance and not arrest these boys for having left with her? Because VDS Jr made the accusation.
Natalee is there. There is evidence. The rocky place or place of shadowy rocks holds some keys. The hermit crabs may have some dna evidence within their pinchers. Natalee needs to be located.
You people must lead very boring lives. You waste so much time and energy bantering about things you know nothing about, offering your horrendously stupid opinions, and act as if you’ve been personally harmed by what’s transpired on Aruba. Some stupid chick, got drunk, ran with the wrong people got raped and is dead. So what? It happens everyday in hundreds of cities throughout the world, but no one stops to take notice. Stop acting so indignant. You really don’t care….it’s all about you, right?
Milo:
You must lead a boring life. This site is dedicated to Natalee Holloway and her family. Get of the darn blog if you cannot provide insight and interest involving a case that has very many disturbing twists and turns. Many people are invovolved in something that went wrong! People like you are the ones that don’t have a life! We know things like this happen in cities everyday but this case is totally unusual.
This could happen to anyones child. You probably don’t have children because it seems it’s ALL ABOUT YOU! Get off the board if you can;’t stand it. We really don’t need people like you here anyway!
Elaina
What rocky places are you referring to??? The quarry?
Where did everyone go on 1191? Did they system overload and boot everyone off?
Where is everyone?
Ally, Kris, crs, pktbk, MOM????
i just found this- i’ve been out of the loop all day….. what is going on ????? anyone?
just had a communication from Aruba – search dogs have gotten a “hit” in quarry near the Van der Sloot house, dive team being rounded up.
Jake:
I think SM’s database got overloaded and we all got booted off. Only a few sites are readily available for reponses. I’m here at least!
I went back to read some posts that were placed over the weekend. Who is Chimes? Does he/she live in Aruba?
I was looking at some of them too. I cannot do this over the weekend because my time with family is very precious. I hope we have more concrete answers today and this “hit” the dogs have discovered will provide some kind of closure to all of this.
This websiite also went down on Thursday around 2:30 p.m. and I wasn’t able to post for serveral hours. By the looks of things maybe there is something huge going on in Aruba as to the reason we all are not able to communicate.
who’s all in here
any news????
Seems like not many. Several areas on the blog are closed for responses and this is one of the only spots open for comment. Actually, p-1190 was really rolling this morning until one poster suggested everybody switch over to another board. We had a few crezies on this morning that really got under a few folks’ skin!
What’s going on? Is anyone here?
any news on the dogs’ “hit”? has this rumor been substantiated? if so, exactly where did the dogs “hit”? would disposal of a body in that area fit the timeline? would love to be updated on all this.
The young Lamb der Sloot shall be the sacrifice for the Arawaks and the cowboys.
All will sit around the fire and feast on scapegoat.
The gods are talking
Babalu opened a window looking into Babylon on his 12:31 A.M. post
DirtyHand is alive and well
One straight path
to the house of Rave,
while of gold bricks
the road is not paved,
answers mysterious lie within
magical letters which spell sin
XTC DNA
What is the deal with not being able to post in the other threads??? What is the current news? I just got home from work and I have only heard about a “hit” in a quarry.
Did anyone watch Nancy Grace lasg night? I really think Joran went to the beach
with her, tried to rape her, she tried to fight him off, he killed her – then he called
his dad to get him him out of it. I hated writing this because I’m sure her family
is hoping and praying she’s alive, as we all are, but it’s been too long.
One more thing… obviously Joran’s dad told him and his two buddies not to open their mouths – he has connections, he probably disposed of her body and without a body,
we all know how hard it will be to convict anyone. One of them would’ve cracked by now under the pressure. They’ll all probably get off. We need to send the American police down there to kick the shit out of them
Still water deep he runs, the seer, the son of the prophet contends with the
Pharisees. Shekels and souls he does pursue. The goddess is brought low amid
the throng. Who among you can stand against the behemoth? Beelzebub springs
forth from his lair. Death in his wake. The seventh son lives in the caves
until the hour of destiny.
Elaine:
I’m fascinated by some of the things you said in your 6/26 (Sunday) posts:
“I think if they go in the right direction they will find her by Tuesday or evidence of her.”
“The answers are in the rocky shadows. Please let Equusearch find those answers.”
“I believe she is there in a rocky place or shadowed by rocks. For some reason there is still time to find her, but something changes in this area, not on a regular basis but an irregular basis. Maybe the residing of hermit crabs or other form of decomposer, but I feel she is there waiting for someone to find her.”
“The answers are … in the rocky area or shadowed by rocks.”
YOU SAID above, “I think … they will find her by TUESDAY or evidence of her.”
On Larry King Live, TUESDAY June 28th, Nancy Grace (filling in for Larry King) interviewed Tim Miller, the direction of Texas Equusearch. He said they have generated an “area to go to” that they are very excited about, and they are optomistic that they will have Natalie in a couple of days. He would not say where, but did say it’s in the water – NOT inland waters – and that it was going to be a very difficult and dangerous task. Natalie’s mother was also aware of this, but would not divulge any additional information.
You also mentioned “hermit crabs or other form of decomposer” residing where Natalie is. Hermit crabs of course live in the ocean and on land, and there are certainly other forms of decomposers in the ocean.
What kind of search in the ocean would constitute a difficult and dangerous task? An area with rocks, shadows of rocks or shadows of something?
Also you said, “The answers are in the rocky shadows. Please let Equusearch find those answers.” … and indeed it is Equusearch that is undertaking this task – hopefully (I guess) a successful one.
Elaine, do you have any more feelings about where Natalie is, and this “area” that Equusearch is going to?
Just another guess:
It sounds like its all about drugs and money. It sounds like there are references to bankers and corrupt officials, closed Aruba society, boatloads of cash and sadistic hedonism.
I really wonder if Jug is willing to tell it all or if he knows about it. I know of a banker from little ol’ Blairsville Georgia who travels to Aruba a dozen times a year. His little bank’s assets and stock price has risen 3,541% since going public 4 years ago.
FIRST I THOUGHT SHE MAY BE IN THE OCEAN BUT NOT A SIGN OF ANYTHING
SHOE, CLOTHING, NOTHING. THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEGE , THEY CAN’T SEARCH THE GROUNDS OF THE SLOOTS , POSSIBILITY SHE IS THERE, OR THEY MAY HAVE CREAMATED HER BODY AND BURIED THE REMAINS.
IT’S A SURE THING THE DADDY (PAUL) DID AWAY WITH THE BODY. JORAN
I BELIEVE EITHER RAPED HER AND THEN GOT SCARED AND KILLED HER OR TRIED TO AND THEY FOUGHT BECAUSE HE WAS TRYING TO AND GOT SCARED SHE WOULD REPORT HIM AND THEN HE KILLED HER. THEN PAUL DID AWAY WITH EVERYTHING. COMMON SENSE TELLS YOU ALOT. HOPEFULLY SHE IS ALIVE BECAUSE IF SHE’S NOT SHE IS CREAMATED OR THEY SENT HER OFF ON A BOAT WAY OFF AND HAVE DUMPED HER FAR AWAY.
Elaine,
Your post that mentioned the one who was sweaty and smelled…….just screams out Paulis VDS..remember Beth talking about his sweating…. I also think he is “Dirty Hand” and that he and his son stalk the prey until PaPa finds something “a girl” he wants and the Babalonian (JVDS) and the Shivas (the Kalpoes) snatch her and take her home to him (Beth said “Natalee was here”) at the VDS home. The last post from shango reads XTC DNA……they gave her the drug ecstasy and I hate to say this….left their DNA on her. I think Siamin and Shango are Satish and Deepak. This is just my ramblings and thoughts only, not based on knowledge or facts of any kind, just opinions. I also pray that we are all wrong and she will be found alive.