RSSMorning Update, Sunday June 19th
Just got going, it is Fathers day so say a prayer for Natalee’s Father and Step Father. Natalee’s Mom has been leading in the news, but both of these men must be suffering even more today.
Here is a quick review, we will keep looking for more information throughout the day.
A judge on Saturday ordered the teenage son of a prominent justice official and two of his friends to stay in jail for at least another week while investigators search for clues in the disappearance of a young Alabama woman.
A disc jockey on an Aruban tourist party boat who also has been detained in the case was to appear before a judge Monday, the attorney general’s spokeswoman Mariaine Croes said as the search for 18-year-old Natalee Holloway neared the end of three weeks.
Under Dutch law, which Aruba follows as a Dutch protectorate, authorities can detain individuals for up to 116 days without filing formal charges. A judge must review the case after the first 10 days, and then periodically after that.
A Local Birmingham alternative paper has a great analysis of the Twitty/Holloway initial arrival on the island.
As flyers were posted around the island, the search for Natalee began in earnest. Efforts concentrated around the hotel and at the lighthouse on the north end of the island, where Van Der Sloot, 18-year old Satish Kalpoe, and his brother, 21-year old Deepak, said they had taken Natalee after leaving a local downtown nightclub. As an avalanche of leads and anonymous tips flowed in, friends of the family mobilized into an investigative task force armed with cell phones, two-way radios, and a fleet of rental cars. Psychics, prevalent on the island, began demanding the attention of the family. Each told family associates that “she is in a dark place, and near water.” One claimed that Natalee’s soul was sitting next to her. “Ask her what the name of her dog is,” a family associate asked. “She is crying,” she told him, “she is too upset to talk.” During that early period of the family’s investigation, attempts to get the police involved were unsuccessful. According to a friend of the family, the Police Commissioner actually suggested that they go to Carlos & Charlie’s (the bar Natalee disappeared from) on Wednesday night. “It is Ladies Night,” he said, “and I am sure she will be there.”
As the search became more desperate and the tips became more bizarre, missions into the island’s darkest barrios, including the red-light district and assorted crack houses, were orchestrated. The editor of the island newspaper informed the family that a group of drug dealers were holding Natalee for a $10,000 ransom (an odd amount considering that the posted reward was in excess of $50,000). A late-night rendezvous between the drug dealers and family friends was arranged, and after a wild series of events an American girl was rescued by the police, who called to report that “they are 98-percent sure they have Natalee.” The family raced to the police station only to discover that the female in custody had dark hair, brown eyes, weighed about 130 pounds, and looked to be about 45 years old. Natalee had blonde hair, blue eyes, weighed 110 pounds, and was 18 years old. That was the first of many letdowns and false leads.
Dan Riehl raises some disturbing questions.
NBC 13: Father Of Dutch Teen Questioned In Holloway Case
ORANJESTAD, Aruba — Police in Aruba have questioned the father of a Dutch teenager who is detained in connection with the Natalee Holloway case.
They said they are hoping the man may have seen something to help them find out what happened to the 18-year-old from Alabama, missing since the end of May.
Paul van der Sloot, the man who was questioned Saturday night, is in training to be a judge. The island’s police superintendent said van der Sloot was “questioned as a witness.”
He is the father of a 17-year-old, who was one of the last people seen with Holloway on the night she disappeared.
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The incompetence on the part of authorities described above is absolutely astonishing. The whole world needs to made aware.
Yes I agree the whole world mneeds to be made aware, and the people need to gain a little self respect and do what they can to cripple the Aruban tourist market at least or until Natalee is returned safe and sound if that is possiable. The bottom line if we don’t stand for something we will fall for anything.
Frankly I think it would be a good idea to consider making Aruba the 53rd state if you will of the United States. Either that or Mercs should be used for the rescue of Natalee Holloway.
This whole situation is tragic and this nation needs to stand together to get it resolved. Aruba, what is that half the size of Maybe jacksonville Fl?
I preay for Natalee and her safe return and further pray that she is not being harmed in any way at this time. Bastatds!
Thank you so much for the info. It is appalling how the authorities were treating Natalee’s family. It just seems cover up to me and that they think it will go away.
Has anyone heard about the man who was supposed to have been found decapitated yesterday? Can’t find anything on it since I heard a breaking news blurb last night on Fox.
I say we get congress involeved and make traveling abroad to resort islands for vacationing purposes illegal. Americans should only be allowed to travel to Disney World, any of the Six Flags theme parks, and Stone Mountain Georgia.
MadasHell,
Well, I think we have to remove Disney from your list after the latest death of the 4 year old on Misson Earth.
From now on before I travel to a foreign country, I will check out the local law enforcement. It’s not enough to say they have low crime, when they have crack houses that are apparantly way above radar.
When one travels overseas, one leaves the U.S. Constitution behind. You’re completely at the mercy of the locals, and beyond the help of US authorities.
Thats’s it ….no more. We should only endorse local county fairs for vacations, with their antiquated rides and ride operators that resemble the cast from the movie Deliverance
Evil is out there, near and far. Vigilance is the key; even then, we are side-blinded.
“When one travels overseas, one leaves the U.S. Constitution behind. You’re completely at the mercy of the locals, and beyond the help of US authorities. ”
SteveDinMD,
Do you know how foreigners are treated in the US? Pretty badly.Let me give you just one exemple. On 9-11 a lot og foreigners were in the Twin Towers and a lot of them have died.The US gov didn’t give any money to their families.Do you believe that’s fair?I don’t because these people didn’t want to die and because they were on the uS soil I believ their families deserved same amount of money as US families got.
I agree 100%
Tell the foreigners injured in the 9-11 attacks to send the bill to Osama Bin Laden, or let their own governments make restitution. The US taxpayers owe them nothing except the compassion owed to fellow victims.
SteveDinMD
If that was that simple then those horrible things you just said apply in this case too Aruba can say ask de VDS, Aruban tourism does not owe nothing except compasion. Funny how youre opinions change when the issue is not about americans
I pray all tourism to Aruba will cease to exist. It is not the paradise advertised. And I will continue to pray that “All things that are hidden will be revealed.”
Does anyone know if the father of Van der Sloot would be able to become a judge (under Dutch law) if a family member were to be convicted of a serious/horrible crime?
More to the point, If, for example, I wanted to become a dutch judge? Would I have to be elected??? And if elected, are there any parts of my life, past or present that would disqualify my attaining this position?
This goes to motive for involement, or lack thereof pertaining to “Judge” Vand der Sloot.
to SCC:
My position is entirely consistent. All I and just about everyone else has wanted these past three weeks is to get some answers out of VDS, the Kalpoes, and anyone else involved. Those of us interested in true justice expect it to be extracted only from the guilty parties, not from the whole population of Aruba, collectively. To the extent that incompetent police work has frustrated the application of justice, I also take issue with the Aruban authorities who practice and/or tolerate such incompetence.
All of the posted comments about the character of Aruba and Carlos and Charlies (ie. whether it is safe or sleazy to go there) miss the point. A young American woman has been abducted in Aruba. A crime has been committed there. All of this crap about the safety of the bar, or Aruba in general, is just that — crap. Natalie is either dead, or being held somewhere against her will. That’s the issue.
If the three guys who took her from the bar are the only ones involved, they probably raped her, killed her, and disposed of the body somewhere. If they are the only ones involved, and she’s been missing for three weeks without a trace, she is probably dead.
On the other hand, if other guys are involved — guys who weren’t with her when she left C&C’s — then this abduction may be something much more sinister. In this scenario, she’s probably being held by other men — men who are not interested in trading her for a ransom, but likely transferring her to a sex trafficking operation (most probably in South America or elsewhere in the Carribean). The three guys she left C&C’s with could have played the role of setting her up for this abduction. I came across this scenario on another website (tomflocco.com), and it is entirely
plausible, given that she has vanished without a trace:
“According to Fox News reporter Rick Leventhal, the three young men recently arrested by Aruba authorities on suspicion of kidnapping and/or the murder of Natalee Holloway said they drove the Alabama high school teen on a 15 minute ride to Aruba’s well-known Arisha Beach next to the California lighthouse at the north-end of the 19.6 mile island. While the alleged Holloway death confession has not yet been released, this beach could be near the site of the crime.
Worldwide news reports say bartenders from Cancun to Aruba to Jamaica regularly spike the drinks of unsuspecting women with drugs such as Rohypnol (roofies) and GHB (liquid ecstasy) for the purpose of “date-rape,” but reports also describe the increasing use of these drugs to place women in a submissive state to move them into position for transport to Caribbean islands and South American brothels for indefinite periods for use as drugged prostitutes in known white slavery rings.”
“Leventhal said last night that the hotel manager of Aruba’s Holiday Inn-Sunspree Resort and Casino where Holloway stayed reported that all hotel security cameras were working properly.
But they do not verify the claims of the three men who said they returned Holloway to the Holiday Inn after driving her to the California lighthouse where one of the three said he “made out” and “was intimate” with Holloway while she was “intoxicated,” according to Leventhal. The evidence indicates Holloway never made it back to the Holiday Inn before failing to show up for her morning flight; moreover, the Alabama teen was unable to refute testimony destroying her moral reputation as a victim.
Other news reports also said Holloway was intoxicated; however, date-rape drugs are known to exhibit symptoms where individuals seem extremely intoxicated after consuming only a small amount of alcohol–more so than the amount ingested would warrant.”
“Late at night, Aruba’s California lighthouse could easily serve as a beacon to guide boats to the deserted beach to quickly drop off and pick up narcotics–but news show guests intimated for days that submissive females, possibly drugged by bartenders or other patrons at a popular club like Carlos and Charlie’s could be victims of sexual transport.
“Spotters,” paid to watch for attractive women on vacation as potential sex slaves could guide them into a bar to be drugged and then out into a waiting car and boat for transportation to mainland or island bordellos.”
Whatever has happened to Natalie, we need answers … this is a crime that has been committed!
If the Arubans can’t get to the bottom of it, maybe it’s time that Americans get more involved and demand an answer. If we can invade Iraq and depose Saddam Hussein, why can’t we save an innocent American girl who went to Aruba?
I have been to Aruba and I know first hand that there are a lot of guys that go to the bars there and watch to see how much the girls there are drinking and then they try to come up and talk to you. I only hope that Natalee is still somewhere and alive. I hope that they find some clues very soon because I can not imagine what this is doing to her family and friends.
I don’t think coercive interrogation would be out of place on this one at all. Instead, it’s the “We’re doing all we can” litany. These three guys are not hard-core Taliban fighters. They’re three pampered punks.
How hard can it be?????
W. Brown
“Does anyone know if the father of Van der Sloot would be able to become a judge (under Dutch law)”
From what I heard today, and I almost fell over, is that the dude isn’t even a lawyer. Laugh or cry. Take your pick.
- The cops are goofy
- You get to be a judge by taking a class
- An innocent girl disappears and her mom and dad have to do the cops job for them.
What the hell kind of society is this???
“If that was that simple then those horrible things you just said apply in this case too Aruba can say ask de VDS, Aruban tourism does not owe nothing except compasion. Funny how youre opinions change when the issue is not about americans ”
Exactly.When it’s about Americans the whole world has to jump and do something for them, but when something happens to foreigners in the US, Americans do nothing.
SteveinMD, don’t you thing US gov is responsibil for what happend on 911?
If as today you still believe that was right, it means that you waste your tome on this planet.
I do appreciate how American help other people when they go missing either by seraching or with money, but I don’t appreciate their nationalism which sometimes leads to stupidity to my opinion.
Nationalism is a good thing; we Americans have much to be proud. Where is a population composed of so many different nationalities? It isn’t the easiest way to live. Yet we do a damn good job trying to work as one.
However, we do not have a perfect system and our people are not perfect. Still, the common people of the US are good hearted and generous. We are always responsive to tragedies in foreign lands.
We are blessed with many resources. We are willing to share our law enforcement knowledge and skills with Aruba. Pride seems to be more important than justice and resolution of this tragedy.
Traveller:
You must be one of the most ignorant people on the face of the earth. Neither the people of the United States nor their government were in any way responsible for the actions of a group of maniacal mass murderers under the direction of Osama Bin Laden on 9/11/2001. As to your contention that the US does “nothing” when evil befalls foreign visitors to the US, I couldn’t disagree more. The authorities will vigorously investigate crime and prosecute offenders regardless of who the victims might be. Their efficiency and dispatch might vary somewhat depending on the particular jurisdiction, but there is a near universal belief among the American people that violent offenders must be relentlessly sought out and harshly punished, regardless of whether their victims are prominent citizens, foreign visitors, or homeless indigents living on the street. Our success rate is not 100%, but our commitment to justice is nearly so. Our society benefits not at all from protecting/harboring such evil doers, and our people recognize this almost to a man.
Returning to the case of 9/11, the US has been vigorously attempting to eradicate international terrorism fot the past 3 1/2+ years, at great cost in blood and treasure. The rest of the world (with the notable exception of the United Kingdom) has by and large refused to assist in this effort, or has even aided and abetted the vicious terrorist murders who have slaughtered our people. To the people of the UK, If offer a heartfelt THANK YOU. To most others, (especially the French) I say Thanks — for NOTHING.
Returning to the case of 9/11, the US has been vigorously attempting to eradicate international terrorism fot the past 3 1/2+ years
I do not understand why you insist in sayng the Aruban police are not doing anything, why do you choose to ignore the repetitive statements here ,in nancy grace , etc that repeatedly insist that anything said to the media may jeoperdize the trial, as far as you know Aruba has been vigorously attempting to solve this case.
Everything we “know” are not the real facts, the authorities in Aruba have said nothing everything we have heard is either from the media (who are not getting their information from police) or pure speculation. Why do you choose to ignore this?
Nationalism is great everybody hopefully should feel great about their country (not just americans) but that does not mean you can insult others or presume you are always correct:
- The cops are goofy
- You get to be a judge by taking a class
- An innocent girl disappears and her mom and dad have to do the cops job for them.
What the hell kind of society is this???
Well America is finally getting around to the Mississippi burning case
How many years later?
When only one suspect is left, about to die?
Someone else as narrow minded as you may ask: What the hell kind of society is this???
scc:
Even a cursory examination of the handling of the investigation by the Aruban police would lead any marginally knowledgable person to conclude that it was being handled incompetently:
1) Official investigation only started AFTER the Holloway family’s private inquiries yielded concrete leads.
2) Prime suspects were not detained or seriously interrogated for nearly two weeks.
3) Physical evidence was sought only after a long delay, and then only haphazzardly.
4) Police immediately detained people with no connection to Natalee’s disappearance, derailing any serious fact finding from the start.
5) STILL no apparent progress in interrogating the 3 prime suspects after over three weeks.
6) Continuous stream of official confusion and misinformation.
7) Aruban police/forensic “experts” misidentified “blood” in the suspects’ car.
8) Etc., etc., etc.
The investigation is a farce, yet the Aruban authorities continue to shut out the FBI, who have offered every conceivable form of assistance. All these facts are indisputable, so any reasonable person would be led to conclude that the silence from the Aruban authorities is not in order to protect the “integrity” of the investigation, but, rather, to conceal ongoing incompetence or willful non-feasance.
In closing, I’d like to say that I’m pleased you brought up the “Mississippi Burning” case, lately in the news again. It points out clearly the difference between the USA and the rest of the world. 41 years ago, when three civil rights activists were murdered in rural Mississippi, the local authorities deliberately failed to properly investigate the case, having been infiltrated by the KKK, a violent racist organization. In response, the US Government sent over 100 FBI special agents to Mississippi to conduct their own investigation, eventually solving the case within a matter of weeks, despite willful obstruction by local police and government officials. All the conspirators were shortly thereafter brought to trial, including the man on trial right now (Edgar Ray Killen), and most were convicted and sent to prison. 38 years ago, however, the jury deadlocked in deciding Killen’s fate, many suspecting the influence of the KKK to be the cause for the deadlock. Now, 38 years later, the Government once more has Killen on trial, there being no statute of limitations for murder.
Whether he is convicted or not, his case stands as strong testimony in support of the US Government’s commitment to justice. If local authorities are corrupt, higher authorities take charge. In pursuit of the guilty, the US Government will never rest, chasing evil doers to the ends of the Earth and to the end of time. I know of no other government on the planet with a level of commitment to justice and the rule of law even remotely approaching this. My suggestion for solving the Natalle Holloway case is for higher authorities to follow the example of the US. Let the Government of the Netherlands send 50 experienced criminal investigators to Aruba with an unlimited budget and unlimited authority to get to the bottom of this thing. Let them follow the facts wherever they might lead. Finally, prosecute any and all wrongdoers, even if it takes 40 years. Now, THAT would be something the Dutch and their justice system could be proud of.
“”You must be one of the most ignorant people on the face of the earth. Neither the people of the United States nor their government were in any way responsible for the actions of a group of maniacal mass murderers under the direction of Osama Bin Laden on 9/11/2001. As to your contention that the US does “nothing” when evil befalls foreign visitors to the US, I couldn’t disagree more. The authorities will vigorously investigate crime and prosecute offenders regardless of who the victims might be”
SteveDinMD,
I am not ignorant at all, I just have a better, or realistic, perception of what’s going on in the US.Perhaps this is because I am not a pro Buch, and you obvioulsy are.
What I said doesn’t have anything to do with the investigations that have be done against terrorism.All I said and meant was that foreigners’s families weren’t given’t any money because they died on the US soil, which doesn’t mean the authorities didn’t handle the INVESTIGATIONS very well. According to your logic, Natalle, because she is a foreigner in Aruba, shouldn’t be given any attention, which is extremly wrong. USA, Aruba and the rest of thw world have to be resposibil for their citizen and at the same time for all foreigners.
P.S. Another unfair things that MR. Bush did after he was elected for the first time. Rememeber he promisted to give back some of the income tax, which he did, but didn’t give any dollar back to the legal residents. Since you mantined something about tax payers, did you know that those legal residents have to be income tax and any other kind of taxes, as much as the US citizens? Then why they weren’t given back any money? Don’t you think that this doesn’t have anything to do with the citizenship or not, it just a matter of who pays taxes or not.That was so unfair, and all because Bush.
Boycott Aruba
SteveDinMD
I understand what you are sayng, but you do not know what is going on in this investigation neither do I we do not know if they let them go to follow and investigate them as they did in the Scott Peterson case, just yesterday I heard Natalee’s mother saying that the FBI is indeed involved in the investigation, and it has been clearly stated time after time that In Aruba they do not give information to the public until the time of the trial, so all youre pressumptions are only speculation you do not know what is going on. And I repeat there is no difference between the treatment Natalee deserves and the treatment any foreign in America deserves..
Hello All~
As many others, I, myself am addicted to the Natalee Holloway case…and pray on a daily basis to the resolution of such a tragic situation. I (hate to say it) but think it is fairly obvious that Natalee was murdered. I don’t believe that she is being held against her will in South America, or anywhere else for that matter. I am a 26 year old woman, that has been to Aruba on multiple occasions, and once, for that matter, was slipped roofies in my drink…thankfully I was with mature, responsible friends that would not let me leave a club with three men we had just met during a vacation… I hope that this sad, tragic story will serve as a lesson to those inexperienced, young women out there…anything can happen, even on an island that claims it’s one of the safest.
SteveDinMD… I have agreed with everything you have written thus far.
Traveller: I feel like you are twisting SteveDinMD words… trivially at that. Furthermore, I think it’s pathetic in that your argument is that the US should have given the “foreigners” families the same money for the tragic deaths of their family members in 9/11 because they were in the twin towers when a rampant terrorist decided to attack. And because the US didn’t, now all of the sudden, the US treats “foreigners” differently??? As SteveDinMD put it: if something happened to a “foreigner” in the States “The authorities will vigorously investigate crime and prosecute offenders regardless of who the victims might be. Their efficiency and dispatch might vary somewhat depending on the particular jurisdiction, but there is a near universal belief among the American people that violent offenders must be relentlessly sought out and harshly punished, regardless of whether their victims are prominent citizens, foreign visitors, or homeless indigents living on the street.” I don’t really understand what part of that you do not understand.
I think much what of what frustrates us regarding the Natalee Holloway case is the lack of information, the (what seems to be) lackadaisical handling of the 3 suspects within the first 10 days of the investigation, the haphazard handling of evidence, the questioning of the integrity of the authorities in general especially considering the main suspect in a judge-in-training. Ugh…there it goes…my stomach is turning once again.