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Previous Comments can be found here:
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1126
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http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1129
barbara-
Your comments are not warrented- How many states in the US would try to cover up a kidnapping/missing child?? One day off for everyone to look? Big Flippin deal- Whats one day?
one thing is fer sure, these vd sloot kids are creeeeeeepy! that s a known fact…
Why haven’t we heard from Jorans father???
good ? guess he s got nothing to say
What’s Jorans site?
Got a question from Iquitos about where to find last nights posts
They have gotten a little spread out , but most of last nights posts are at these locations. Amazingly good stuff with talks from both Aruba and Mountain View.
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1125
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1123
and
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1121
and
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1120
Boycott Aruba.
Okay Hater…..go play outside now. Bye Bye
>It was only afterwards (a few days later), around his swimming pool, that the
>Kalpoes made plans to come out with one version of the events. But now it
>seems that they are trying to frame Joran. The attorney also told the radio
>station that his client has >been hearing Joran van der Sloot sobbing a
>lot lately.
Joran’s dad (attorney; judge in training) needs to be arrested as apparent accessory-after-the-fact (??). If they sat around planning out “one version of the events” — undoubtedly, Joran’s dad was most likely there too..
[ ACCESSORY AFTER THE FACT - Whoever, knowing that an offense has been committed, receives, relieves, comforts or assists the offender in order to hinder or prevent his apprehension, trial or punishment, is an accessory after the fact; one who knowing a felony to have been committed by another, receives, relieves, comforts, or assists the felon in order to hinder the felon's apprehension, trial, or punishment. ]
# localyokal Says:
June 13th, 2005 at 12:19 pm
Why haven’t we heard from Jorans father???
He hasn’t even been mentioned!
Kalpoes turning on Joran? ooh, what a surprise…. The best chance of the truth coming forward is if the least likely one of the three to be involved is pressed to telling the truth for a reduced plea.
Probably because he “knows”
time line
may 30 – friends, and bar both confirm that she leaves with 3 of them 10 minutes before 1am
jun 1 – the 3 say they dropped her off at hotel at 2 am
that leaves 70 minutes to kiss/view lighthouse according to their stories.
Arubans: how far is the bar from lighthouse, and how far is lighthouse from the hotel??? Is it even possible to make this trip in 70 minutes? IF so, exactly how much time is availabe for the reported “kissing” in teh back seat?
Yep
Joran’s site was taken down.
Knows where the body is …
Joren’s dad’s silence is noticeable as is the lack of regret by any of the accused’s parents that something terrible has happened and their children are in some way implicated.
It is incomprehensible that we don’t know what happened yet. My heart goes out to Natalee’s family and friends for having to endure the unimagineable.
localyokal -
Are you an Aruban local? If so you should be concerned about fixing the corruption and incompetance in your law enforcement agencies. Especially since your economy relies on tourism. Shouldn’t a tourism based economy try to make the place as inviting as possible and as safe as possible? I will take your advice and go out and play and continue to push for a boycott of Aruba. Enjoy your day, but don’t expect to see my money coming to Aruba. BOYCOTT ARUBA!!
Joran’s father was mentioned to be under scrutiny about the time of the three’s arrest. Then I never heard his name even mentioned, except in the context of who Joran’s father is. And even that has remained minimal. But I have not heard a word about the Kalpoes either, to be fair.
33…Joran’s site was taken down right before he left for jail but his brother’s is still up and is about as creepy as Joran’s.
How can it take so long for police interrogators to break down 3 wanna be gangsta rich kids? Give me a break. These kids had at least 10 days to get their story straight. And the incompetent Aruban police can’t break them after a weekend in jail? Boycott Aruba.
It was not before 1 am. It was at 1:30. Her friends were on here this weekend. They said the bar closed at 1, and by the time they were heading out it was 1:30. Some were going to a taxi, some went to check out another club and then went home. SO that only leaves 30 minutes.
The more I think about this, I believe Natalee was a victim of Human Traficking.
1. Several Arubans on this site say that every place to look has been searched.
2. Condi Rice, US Secy of State, had a major speech on this topic 3 days after Natalee disappeared.
3. There is not a death penalty in Aruban law.
4. If you finger a Human Traficker there is most certainly a death penalty quicker that that sheriff in Pueblo Laredo. (sworn in at 10, dead by 6).
5. No wonder Joran is crying.
Saw that one- Looks like a tight little community – all of their pages link together.
Yeah, what is the kid’s age like13? and he’s got his “babe” allover the place and lists himself in a relationship? We are a little precocious here…
I don’t buy the whole “sitting around pool making up a story” part. If I was Joren and my story was true (dropped off at house brothers left with natalee) I would be suspicious the moment my friends start to get me to agree with one story. I would rat them out in a heart beat rather than go to jail. Also, why agree to a story that has you being intimate with natalee at a secluded area as opposed to the much less incriminating “they dropped me off at my house and left with her.” Nothing is making sense.
Hater,
I think it is less incompetence and more a case of being totally “out of their league”. There IS a big difference.
It is 15 minutes to the beach from C&C’s and 5-7 minutes back to the hotel. ( I got that information from Arubagirl)
BOYCOTT ARUBA!!
Maybe we should use Lyndie England to interrogate these three punks. Maybe a shot of her pointing at their weiners would be enough to break them down. Maybe the Aruban law enforcement guys should hire her to get a confession. Obviously they can’t do the job. BOYCOTT ARUBA.
Hater- Your killin me w/ the wiener pointin thing
boycott evil and ignorance.
The little brothers profession is listed as a PIMP.
One thing is for sure, Lyndie wouldn’t get raped.
hater…bite me. I am from the US
If they are turning on each other, then why no confession as to who did what? If one of them new something about what the other did then certainly they would say “he did it” instead of just saying so and so was the last person to see her.
Jan- Did you spell that right?
I’m a Hater and all other misguided posters, please stop your nationalist banter. I am here because I car about Nat, I do not want to hear your ignorant world view. Apparently you only hear negative news about other countries, and ignore those about your own. I am embarrassed to call you my countryman, please be respectful and stick to reporting developments not placing blame.
Until some strong physical evidence is discovered- those boys are not going to talk. The first thing their lawyers said to them- don’t talk, they have nothing on you!!
I don’t believe that they dropped anyone off. With all I know about these boys. I think she overdosed. What they did with her after that I don’t know.
Gotta agree w/ one thing about hater. BOYCOTT ARUBA!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wondering,
I tend to agree with you about the trafficking theory. We were in Negril when Natalee went missing (with teens on a senior trip of all things) and that was the opinion of most of the locals in Negril that we talked to as well.
Is the trafficing that big down there- Any links to info about that?
We as Americans forget that for a month now 2 little kids have been missing in Iowa aftrer their family was murdered. This weekend in Midtown Manhattan a single mother was shot to death on accident… should tourist boycott the US?
KerinTX-
Out of there league? Cmon, give me a break. Is not investigating homicide a part of being a legitmate law enforcement agency? Like I said if these guys wanted to really make their island as safe as they say it is they would do something to stop the drugs, human trafficking and tourist related crimes (stealing from hotel rooms, etc). With as much money that is flowing into that place and as small as the island is, they should be able to make it safer than Fort Knox. They just want to make a big profit and live the good life. That is why I am still saying BOYCOTT ARUBA!!
Missy,
and Joran’s site listed his profession as “pimp” too…one who was looking for a physical relationship. I bet those parents must be SO proud!
You call them parents- Gambling- drugs- drinking / 4AM – Players/Pimps/Ballers?
the reason for the boycott thinking is that there has been a great huge mistake in not detaining the three form day one. Do I think it was a mistake and not corruption? NO. I think it was most surely because of who these guys are in the pecking order of society on that island.
No the story does not sound legit…prolly just another fabrication, perhaps a tool to help the truth come out.
33…I do know there is one girl missing from the Sandals Resort in Negril and another from Negril who worked for Frommer’s Travel Guide. Both under the similar situations as Natalee. Then, of course, there is Amy Bradley and another girl (forgot her name) who are missing from Curacao (sister island to Aruba)
ok, let me get this right – her friends reported her leaving with the 3 boys at 1:30, takes 15 minutes to lighthouse – so now we are at 1:45, and takes 5-7 minutes to get to hotel, so that leaves us at 1:52-1:54 leaving only 6-8 minutes for the kissing and more in the back seat???
so i guess the kissies started immediately and ended immediately? no looking at lighthouse at all after the drive to see it? no drunken kids needed to pee while there – alcohol always makes people have to urinate – and no puking either?
KerinTX-
I know about those – Any kind of legit govt agency w/ site
looking at the “grandmap” of aruba – on arubagals site – it shows the lighthouse at the far northern point of the island. where is the hilton located on teh map? how about the bar? am i correct in saying the island is 72 miles from northern tip to southern tip?
Thank you MissyRose, I was loosing my faith…
I say we send in the CIA’s lie detector men. They are fabulous and get EVERYONE to come up with something, if there is something to be had.
Brenda, do you jave the link to arubagirl’s site?
Question: If NH’s bags were packed and in her room at the HI, check out time at most hotels is around 11am, then the desk and the houskeeping should have had quesstions about her status.
Question 2: In the Peterson case wasn’t the body of Lacy found, damaged, but found and had been floating in the Pacific Ocean, where sharks etc are fairly common?
Question 3: Can we believe anthing that the 3 guys said in their original statments? Would you tell the police where you actually took her?
Any ideas? Perhaps you have covered these before, if so I missed them.
i just remember something i heard at the beginning of this case… tell me if you heard abou this… that two sisters were supposely kiddnapped (possibly by their brother ) and they were about to become victims of human trafficking but the authorities broke it up.. anyone else heard this and if so , can it be confirmed…
Hater,
So because of all the street crime in NYC we should boycott that city too? I am not syaing that everything that has been done by Aruban LE has been 100% correct but what I have to trust is that they are doing it THEIR way and following Aruban Law which THEY set-up (NOT THE U.S.). That’s where I think the confusion comes in…the US press goes down there and sticks their noses in and has made headlines that they shouldn’t. In listening to the Aruban officials talk, they handle their crimes differently that we do and guess what?? THEY are NOT the US and are entitled to have their own laws and follw them in their manner. Does that make their way wrong?? NO. But it is the US coming in and trying to tell other countries how to do things because it is the “American Way” that makes things worse (and also makes us hated by most other countries when using that attitude) Now I think the Arubans realized that this was a case unlike any they have handled before and so they asked for help from the FBI (to their credit). If the FBI thinks Aruba is doing their job OK then who are we to disagree? (because have you yet heard an FBI spokesperson coming out in the press saying Aruba is corrupt or incompetent??)
lacy was in the bay.. not many sharks there but could be..
Ben find out what kind of camera…
I brought one to Mickey12/04 with ink jet photo processor/
The person I believe to be Arubagal, and her sites are listed below.
Arubagals pics can be found here:
Arubagals site is here:
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/
I think putting someone into the ocean is an unreliable way to dispose of a body. They have a way of popping back up.
Cracks have emerged in the stories of three young suspects in the case of an American teen who went missing in Aruba two weeks ago, FOX News has learned.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159327,00.html
Well we all know that Natalee was never dropped off at the hotel.
TOP95 FM (Aruban radio station) reported on Monday that they have received information about the story that the suspect Joran van der Sloot gave to the police. The radio station got this information from the attorney that is representing the suspect Abraham Jones. Jones is being held at the same location as Joran and he has been hearing/getting information from within the institute. According to the attorney ,Jones declared that Joran is convinced that he is being framed. Joran is saying that he did not go to the lighthouse with the group at all. He testified that after he left the club, he caught a ride home with his Surinamese friends, the brothers Kalpoe. At that time Natalee Holloway was in the car. Joran allegedly testified that the Kalpoes dropped him off at his home and drove off with Natalee in car. It was only afterwards (a few days later), around the swimming pool at his house, that the Kalpoes made plans to come out with one version of the events. But now it seems that they are trying to frame Joran. The attorney also told the radio station that his client has been hearing Joran van der Sloot sobbing a lot lately.
OK…so not to be morbid (but I don’t see any of Natalee’s friends in here right now), there is a human trafficking site and it states the method is they kidnap, girls are used in brothels until they are no longer generating cash (I guess too old or worn out…sorry) and then they are dumped at sea. A body dumped at sea is not going to resurface.
KerinTX-
I agree if you don’t like the crime rate or other things about a place you shouldn’t go there. Does that mean I am an ugly American forcing my views on another country? No, I am a consumer choosing where to spend my dollars. I agree they are a soveriegn nation and have the right to what ever legal system they choose. They have the right to be corrupt and overlook drug/human trafficking if they want to. AND I have the right to encourage others not to support this facade of paradiseby supporting a boycott. We have to realize if you make a decision, it may have consequences. If Aruban authorities continue like this, consumers have the right to deliver consequences to the Aruban economy by not spending money there.
KerinTX-
I agree if you don’t like the crime rate or other things about a place you shouldn’t go there. Does that mean I am an ugly American forcing my views on another country? No, I am a consumer choosing where to spend my dollars. I agree they are a soveriegn nation and have the right to what ever legal system they choose. They have the right to be corrupt and overlook drug/human trafficking if they want to. AND I have the right to encourage others not to support this facade of paradiseby supporting a boycott. We have to realize if you make a decision, it may have consequences. If Aruban authorities continue like this, consumers have the right to deliver consequences to the Aruban economy by not spending money there.
It was only a matter of time before they started turning on one another…
Misty rose-
Everything I think happened on the other side of island-just a guess.
Riehl World:
“…Joran is convinced that he is being framed. Joran is saying that he did not go to the lighthouse with the group at all. He testified that after he left the club, he caught a ride home with his Surinamese friends, the brothers Kalpoe. At that time Natalee Holloway was in the car. Joran allegedly testified that the Kalpoes dropped him off at his home and drove off with Natalee in car. It was only afterwards (a few days later), around the swimming pool at his house, that the Kalpoes made plans to come out with one version of the events. But now it seems that they are trying to frame Joran…”
So this story doesn’t make sense either. He caught a ride home in his own car? How did the brothers get Joran’s parents’ car back to Joran’s house after they ‘”dropped him off”?
Though it would be wild if those ratty brothers did it all, but now it sounds as if Joran is trying to frame them. Good news if that’s the case, somebody will blow.
So now the Kalpoe boys are saying they left the two at the beach????
Well we all know that Natalee was never dropped off at the hotel.
I agree. We have all these people trying to figure out a time line including the boys droping Nat off at the HI at 2:00AM.
WTF? Why do you think this happened? Because they said so?
Forget the timeline, they might have been out ALL NIGHT LONG before they even went home.
Mickey’s Friend,
We heard a lot on Joran yesterday (thanks to Geraldo) as far as his temper and his throwing a classmate through a glass window/door but has there been anything in Aruba said about the Kalpoe’s past? Is it squeaky clean? (of course we already know the Aruban officials told Natalee’s mom that Joran’s record was as impeccable as Natalee’s and that wasn’t true)
Apparently ben.
I’ve heard reports that it isn’t his car. This would be consistent with the fact that 17 year olds can’t drive in aruba.
kerin-don’t know any of the3
and let me guess…Joran’s alibi saying he came home first will be none other than….
HIS MOM
I hope they are not keeping the Kalpoe boys together. Did they both just decide to change the story and randomly said they left the two at the beach? Or was it just one of them?
Where can I see a street map of the area in Aruba where this happened?
“Here is my take –
Natalee was singled out and kidnapped for money. The three boys under arrest choose her and transported her to the kidnappers. The Carlos’n Charlie’s bar assisted. Joran Van Der Sloot is guilty as sin and it was his family’s relationships in Justice-crime which has led to this along with Joran’s needs.
Maybe the US anti-terrorist agency should get involved. The least that should be added is an interrogation and background investigation of all employees at the bar but that might not be politically positive for Aruba! I would also include investigation of all ships in the area the night of Natalee’s disappearance. Dam-it! I would freaking throw a blockage around Aruba and not lift it until my kid was returned or her body found. But that’s just one parents opinion. I pray to God that in his mercy he watch over Natalee Halloway. ”
I hope Joran’s father is busy trying to re-negoiate the return of Natalee from the kidnappers. If Natalee is not returned alive I suggest the USA sell Aruba to the highest bidder.
Mickey’s Friend…thanks…I was just wondering if there had been anything on them in the Aruban press (the brothers)
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps.html
Ok. Joran was planning on attending the college I went to. Lots of drugs.
Where what happened?
What happened?
Do you know?
Steve…I am with you!
My gut feeling is:
Joran was dropped off first (as the 2 brothers claim)…BUT!!!!
Only AFTER all (3) raped murdered Natalee.
Common sense tells me that Natalee only left w/ the three because she liked Joran…so WHY would Joran be dropped off first (unless Natalee was no longer in the car)???
Comments??
Okay, considering the above posted information, think about something…Joran had final exams the next day (Monday). He probably would have needed to be home in order to go to school…therefore, it stands to reason that he did request to go home–he was used to having girl tourists after him and it probably wasnt’ any big deal to just leave them and tend to his own business…he was an excellent student and graduating…This wasn’t HIS car, it was the Kalpoe’s, Joran wasn’t even old enough to drive in Aruba. The Kalpoe’s family owns a car rental business…SO, they could have easily have done something (they stated she didn’t want to get out of the car, they get tired of her, push her out, etc. etc…) Then have the car cleaned up–rental companies do it every day and do it thoroughly. Joran doesn’t think anything has happened, goes to school, up to usual business. The older boys show up at his house and say, hey Joran, you were with us, we have to stick together…here’s a story we need to stick with…Also, much more savvy older kids, knowing Joran has “connections thru dad”, thinking that if they stick with him, they have a much better chance to slide…I remember how kids think, and that stands with their immature logic and self centeredness.
Does this make sense? Don’t shoot me, it is just speculation and seems to hold up with the various facts and misinformation that is floating around. I think Joran may be a kid who shouldn’t have been with older guys–also, they are Surinamese–neighbor to Venezuela. Again, Joran was definitely a poseur…doesn’t make him a killer. But the facts will come out at some point….
Prayer for all victims–hope they find out the real story and fry the ones that deserve it!!! Lots of victims in this case, I fear.
Tom-
any contact/site for aua
I’d like to help him if I can…
I have a feeling the judge is saying they’ll be seen on Weds to divert attntn….then, all of a sudden his case log lightens a bit while press isn’t looking….If I believed he’d be out Weds, I could really be there for him.
I only have 30 min…then back to work
Thnxi
Missy…the college in Tampa? Even if he is freed on this I sure hope he is kept in Aruba or sent back to The Netherlands
Yeah…that story doesn’t make sense either
How far is Carlos & Charlie’s from Seroe Patrishi 14C?
Supposedly, the car belongs to the elder of the two brothers. The purpose of teh timeline was looking at “their story” – even though we had all decided it was pure bunk.
Now, if teh next day – May 1, the 3 boys told authorities that she was dropped off at hotel, this also does not fit with “several days later in pool” a cover story was concocted…..
Now, if Joran says he has NH’s email address, that he swapped it with her at time of being dropped off, can he produce said address?
If brothers dropped off Joran and NH at the beach house, do they have any kind of proof of doing so, such as gas receipts nearby? wouldn’t a gas station have film of transactions, showing 2 boys present on way back, or 3 boys / 1 girl on way tehre? etc, etc, etc,????
Brenda-sorry for mistaking you earlier
I am still unsure of this not being Joran’s car. On Geraldo last night they showed the silver car being towed and said it was from Joran’s house. It was “pimped out” so I don’t believe it was a rental from the Kalpoe’s lot.
wait i min, i thought one of them said “something bad happened”
therefore she never got dropped off at HI.
I think the “pool” part was true, but the 3 of them were in it. They have probably to came up with a plan, foreseeing what will happend bumping with authorities.
All of them are saying half-truths.
I don’t think aruba has the manpower to do the extensive investigation that needs to go into this
“I’ve heard reports that it isn’t his car. This would be consistent with the fact that 17 year olds can’t drive in aruba.”
Yep good one DT, the plot thickens. The brothers were driving their car all along. Joran grabbed a few kisses on the way to be dropped off at home, the brothers take over, and Joran is guilty only of protecting them after the fact, and Geraldo and most of us got it wrong?
Mom From MO:
I believe you are most likely correct. It doesn’t make sense for her to get dropped off second, especially since all 3 boys are supposed to be living in same upper class neighborhood on this small island….
I think that she either passed or got sick. I think that the eldest of the boys took advantage of her, I am not sure about the two younger. I think they got rid of the body. Dropped off Joran. Went home. Got away with what they thought was the perfect crime. I feel that in the end the 21 year old will hold most of the responsibilty. But the other two know it all.
The surinamese brothers did it —- points 5 fingers—-
the car belongs to deepak … ok
Her friends were at the pool area from 1:45 til almost dawn. No I went to Flagler College in St. Augustine.
missy that sounds great, but where is the evidence…?
Sharon–
I find that scenario pretty believable.
On the other hand, I find it believable that Joran could have beenalong for the whole ride.
mordred Says:
“June 13th, 2005 at 12:39 pm
Until some strong physical evidence is discovered- those boys are not going to talk. The first thing their lawyers said to them- don’t talk, they have nothing on you!! ”
I concede with this poster. Remember Joran’s father probably has already advised these boys (during their 10 day retreat to get their stories 100% paralleled) to not say a word about anything. They know that their is no physical evidence, to our knowledge, implicating them to committing this murder. Otherwise, they would have already been charged. No body, no evidence….NO talking…
You guys are letting Joran off way to easy….
Don’t forget that the next day Joran talked to NH’s stepfather and told him the story of going to the light house. That means Joran knew something happened, they had all straightened out there story the night before. The pool story is BS, plus it comes from an unreliable source anyway (the detained security guard through the mouth of his attorney).
All you can know about the new story is that it is another lie but they are starting to crack under pressure.
Ally- yup
no matter what…at some point “blood will be thicker than water” and the brothers will both turn against Joran. I don’t see one Kalpoe brother taking the rap and the other brother allowing that to happen. In the end, the wrong man may be convicted (if anyone is at all) I wonder if Aruban law mandates all 3 serving time for the same crime if they had “some” involvement? I am, of course, hoping that the crime is only kidnapping and trafficking.
ok , if i were satish or deepak… id say jaorans dad told me to shut up….that s not to good for him is it?
In addition to Geraldo, FOX News is also sending Sean Hannity, Tony Snow, Oliver North, And Bill O’Reilly over to Aruba, since they belive that the crime might have an Al Queda aconnection. They’re also going out on a hunt for “liberals” and have issued a formal challenge to the CNN reporters.
The reason they have no evidence is because they let them go right away. They didn’t get evidence from the car right away, they didn’t get evidence from the clothes, and they didn’t check them out for cuts, bruises, scrapes from a fight.
I am under the impression that this is a cover up for the rich kid. I can’t imagine a police department being this incompetent.
what small time gangsta ever fingered Godfather
and lived to tell
Big
Missy…great area. I am from Cocoa Beach.
Leslie,
Hopefully news like this won’t retracted is this consider an official news?
Anyone know if these three have access to a boat? If so, I would hope that they are checking that out for evidence too.
It bothers me that there is no body. That leaves open the option that she is alive, which I like to cling to. Suriname is without a doubt connected to human trafficking.
booya-
i’m going.
Are you in aruba now?>
Earlier, Fox interviewed a gentleman by the name of Rubin Trapenberg, government spokesman. Mr. Trapenberg said that some US news outlet *cough,CNN,cough* reported a “Senior Government Official” gave them the story about the confession, but that was really a traffic cop in the police station.
Therefore, only the procesutor can be relied upon for information. “What about Minister of Justice, Rudy Croes?” asked the Fox interviewer, at which point Mr. Trapenberg said that Rudy Croes does not speak for the Aruban authorities.
Huh?
The only evidence is this…
1) 17 year olds can’t drive
2) Joran was the only one with future plans, why purposely screw it up?
3) The brothers were known drug dealers.
4) Why would two brothers want to hang out with a friend and 1 girl? We know that Joren and Natalee were messing around, but why would the two brothers want to be involved, just to watch?
5) Remember we know that Natalee met Joran a few days before she turned up missing.
Dave-
how about a police covering for police scenario?
Tom??
Uh Oh…Boo is in the house!!
Friend mickey. No, I’ll probably go the first week of July for about a week or so
i have a question… did nt rudy croes say like 3 hours ago that this would be resolved momentarily? or did he take that back too?
Ok…the 17 yr old can’t drive thing is no big deal…we’re sitting here talking about a possible cover up for serious crime and Joran is worried about getting pulled over for driving at 17, a week before his 18th bday? Not likely
Kate…one of Natalee’s friends on here said Joran (or the family) has a yacht
IF that story is true, the brothers did it. The whole story makes a lot more sense this way IMO.
DaveN from WebmasterWorld?
Rudy made that statement on Saturday and Sunday too
booya-
where r u from?
What time/ how many coctails til we gat a good laugh?
I go workie soon.
Sure wish Arubagirl or another local was here. They’ve been having an intennsive discussion on TOP 95.1 for the last half hour or so in the native lingo, I’d like a translation/synopsis?
Does anyone know if (DNA) tests have been done, after the car was impounded? Wondering if hairs, etc were found??
While the yacht might be missed or be seen moving, most yachts have a dingy. Wonder if they have been looking there.
he said today that
Tampa Florida…Gator Country
I was reading the Diario, and it mentioned Joran has a partial scholarship to some prestigious Flagler University in St. Augustin Florida? I’ve never heard that before. He is thinking of going in some sports management carreer. He may have just received already his Student Visa. This is guy is ready to get off the Island
If Natalee was the victim of these 3 kids then hopefully they pay and lesson’s learn by both the school’s, kids, parents, bar, hotel and Aruba officials. But if she is the victim of human trafficking then you can image what would happen if she were returned alive to tell the world the whole story!! Not Aruba’s first chose.
kate-no offense…but lets not get on the subj of DINGHYs” Booya is here….laughing a little??
i say that s just we need.. another internationally known murderer coming to the good ole us…
Booya-
I’m on Cape Cod and stay in jupiter in off season.
Missy a lot of what you just posted is speculation and I’ve never heard a lot of it confirmed (the drug dealer part especially).
But not only can he not drive the car was not his. A pimped out ride owned by a drug dealer. What is strange about that? Didn’t anyone else think it strange that 21 year old man doesn’t have a job.
Sorry you all – all 3 boys did it. Gang bang with semi passedout girl. Girl says “she’s gonna see them in prison”, boys lose temper – kill and dispose of body. Most likely, brothers did actual disposing of body after dropping off Joran at home so he can make the grade on finals next day.
My bet the body is in the police morgue on ice at this time…
Sorry, not sure why, I don’t get the reference, but sorry anyway.
missy rose-
define “job”??
friend of Mickey- Geraldo won’t be reporting tonight. Rumor has it that he got a hold of a bad “pastechi”(cheese filled Aruban deep-fried pastry), and it did a number on his digestive system causing him to lose all bodily functions.
MOm…after the tests came back saying the blood was not blood, the officials said no further DNA tests would be done. Makes no sense to me…
Kipster – no.
Guys, lets not let Joran off the hook. Everyone saying “the other 2 were drug dealers” blah blah blah. Joran hangs with that crowd, and you typically are who you hang with. These 3 are all dirty. Why would they all make up a story together if some of them had nothing to do with the case? If Joran was really dropped off, why lie?
so brenda you say that they would delibertly keep the news of natalee from her parents… that s just F ing cruel, i seriously doubt that…
Flagler college isn’t prestigious. Not in comparision to other Florida schools. It is a very laid back place. Kind of a mix between the 60′s and today.
booya-laughing really hard at least were on the same page…Later I may call you Jay,
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/natalee_hollowa_17.html
I stumbled onto this site, while searching for further news. Is THIS considered any more or less reliable than the continual ‘false’ reports?
Good grief!!
FLAGLER COLLEGE?? Please… that’s a total trailer park redneck school
http://www.awemainta.com...
Does anyone has a subcription to this…headline news 30 kilos of cocaine off the coast of aruba.. folks, it’s raining caine….
Boo…so now we could say that Geraldo has shi* coming out both ends of his body?
DaveN
You are correct, water seeks its own level.
that crap is from like 3 days ago.. what s your point…
Rest of story…
Joran sobbing because he is seeing that he is scared he will have to “face the music” for first time in his life. Brothers hear Joran sobbing, and tell their side – naturally skipping the part of killing and disposing of body – and say left Joran at lighthouse.
Problem with brothers story is this: How did Joran get home? Who did he call to pick him up, or are we to believe he walked home, got enough sleep to make it to school to take finals next day and actually pass them….
Brothers story of dropping him and Natalee off at beach lighthouse is impossible for this reason. Jorans story is impossible to believe because nobody is going to take the rap for a rape/murder charge for 2 buddies once arrest came down…
No kind of recent employment history.
Joran isn’t innocent. He either set her up, knew about the incident, or participated. No way does that equal innocent.
Can someone give me a link to the brother’s web page?
i think all three are involved and whatever happened was an accident, i don’t think they took her someplace with the intention of killing her…they panicked and stashed the body somewhere. plus, i read the “human trafficking” thing for prostitution was primarily with children.
Kerin TX- Geraldo has all of the locals wondering what’s up with his mustache and semi-mullet hairdo. Geraldo calls his do a Mulletino or Mexi-mullet. He always wanted to look like “the other guy” from Hall & Oates.
They are all guilty. I don’t belive shes been kidnaped.
what the hell is going on in aruba…? i cant believe what s been going on…last week there was an armed robbery at a new shopping center….thought there wewre no guns…
Mom, Riehl is a very good blog site–it has lots of input from people that are actually in Aruba and usually the posts are not put in unless it has some basis of fact, at least IMHO. And it has the news lots faster than any of our networks put it…Just take it all with a grain of salt and common sense, like any information you get from outside sources…
Trisher…here
http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?_=aaaaaqaaaaG2mleaaaaemTKZnl3So8gaaaabnliaaaaiJke4GSoxnLc8OKi2OTMgGy00
and whoever said he is 13…he has 19 listed
Brenda the suspects are at different locations so they couldn’t have heard him sobbing
As a rehabilitated liar (thanks to a good woman!), I know that when there’s something of importance about which I need to lie, I used to always include a sprinkle of the truth. That in mind, I think the three current suspects actually took her to the ruins of the former lighthouse at Seroe Colorado and disposed of the body there. This way, they could use the Arisha Beach lighthouse as a nice little alibi or what-not.
Plausible?
How far is the lighthouse from the homes of the boys?
What i don’t get is if you did this, why make up a story saying you dropped her off at the hotel…everyone knows that would have been checked out.
Thanx, Sharon
no WAY is he 19!
Brenda, whre are you getting your info? I never heard that the brothers are in proximity to Joran in order to hear him…It was one of the original arrests (Security Guard) that heard him. Please clarify
Boo…maybe the locals should lock up their daughters. After all, Geraldo was well-known in his younger years to be pretty wild. The storeis Bette Midler told about them and their sexcapades made me want to gag!
“If Joran was really dropped off, why lie?”
Cause he’s a dirt bag. No doubt he’s in deep shit and will and should do time if that’s the case.
One thing I’ve thought from the beginning: why would he do this to her when he obviously gets his share of women? Just move on to the next tourist if one doesn’t want to play.
I doubt those rat face brothers get lucky very often…
Who says they are GOOD liars?
Geraldo used to be a toal hot male bitch!!! So he says
Where are the boys families. In canada and Usa the families would be traced by the newspapers.
geraldo has a mangina…..
I agree Kipster.
But you have to remember all of her friends said “she didn’t look right” her eyes they say were “heavy” too much for just drinking.
No liar is a good one…it’s just like an addiction…
I’m thinking it’s 2nd degree murder…in the commission of some sort of 1, 2, or 3 man sexual assault.
Thanx for the web page Kerin.
Hi, diz iz hheraldo….next we’ll be sssearching for cyssstal meth labsss in Aruba.
Saw him once in person in an airport. He had some strange substance hanging from his moustache. I don’t even WANT to think about what it may have been!!!
I don’t believe they (the 3 boys) intended on killing her at start of evening, or even at time of arrival at lighthouse (or wherever they went)..
I do believe the planned to “get a piece of teh action” in a 4-some. They didn’t expect a drunken semi-conscious Natalee to be conscious enough to “cry rape” and threaten them with jail time. They panicked and killed her. Most likely what is in back seat of car is semen, probably from all 3 boys. I bet they put body in trunk, dropped on Joran at home, and then the two brothers dumped the body someplace they considered safe.
Next day after finals, they met at pool, they discussed what happened to body, set stories straight before telling cops their story of all three of them dropping her off at hotel along with selecting a patsy to take the rap. The two guards were handy patsies – so they picked them.
Father of Joran has probably known for 4-6 days what happened, probably is hiding it from Joran’s mother – who thinks all her babies are perfect – thus her public protestations….
Also bet that the father of the two brothers know what happened too.
Question for Arubans here: Is all three boys being represented from lawyers from same firm? Is this the most expensive firm on the island?
NEW POST
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1132
Kipster:
I agree that Joran probably had his share getting ‘lucky’. But with his arrogance (reported by Natalee’s parents), my feeling that he wanted to show of in front of the brothers. Unfortunately, I think the ‘game’ got out of hand…and they all three took turns…I even think she wasn’t conscious during this. Either passed out from being drugged…my gut feeling isn’t very ‘pretty’..Sorry the the graphics.
booya-don’t go away
This is serious to me really and it is hard to work and really be worried about my friend. I tried all 3 of my friends # and not able to get thru…lock-down???
FOX
botched inestigation from the start??? white guy/black guy??? on right now….
UNfortunately botched from the start….the new theory????
Are Aruba police taking notes from OJ cops?? When does Kaito pop up???
So serios…and sad
Anyway booya you make me smile a little while I work Thx
but missy… if my friends dont look right i dont let them go with a buch of ppl we hardly know… these must be the dumbest friends ever.. with friends like that……
the issue of whether Joran was driving and if it was his car and if it was legal, etc etc is about as laughable as the posting on the C&C site where the GM goes on and on about how they are a law abiding establishment who only let kids 18 and over in to drink alcohol
I agree with that Rob. That bothers me.
I agree on Riehl World .. Very good site. We have been working with him on some of the stories the we have done.
He has some great information coming to him, but like you have to wonder if you can trust us, we have to wonder about our sources.
We have heard about many wacky things that we have held onto because it is impossible to verify.
Tom
Anyone have any issues about Fox reporting the death and location of the body and then retracting the statement?
FOX=Vultures
I read that the 3 boys were held in one cell until just recently! How can you interrogate these 3 when they can get together and rehearse their stories then talk about the questions afterwards?
I went to the Aruba phone book and found the addresses of the boys parents, the hotel and the bar. I wish I could see a map of the locale to try to figure this out.
Guys when you are with your friends and all have been drinking your world is smaller and you are so involved with yourself you do not worry about others. THERE IS NO BLAME ON OTHERS EXCEPT THE INDIVIDUALS WHO WERE INVOLVED. This did not have to happen.
friend of Mickey John:
Are you in Aruba? Do you know all 3 boys? Do you know the two guards they tried to frame in beginning of this investigation?
Starting to agree, Booyaksha…
Didn’t the AP report that story first?
Tom:
Thats why I send things directly to “DAN” sho he can check it too before posting!!!
been following since the start; just to clarify – we were back & forth about the car yesterday; i believe the honda belongs to the eldest kelpoe
Diz iz Heraldo for FOXXXX news….Aruba, paradisse or ssome mysteriousss celesstial black hole….tonight we’ll be talking to the gay community in ARUBA to get their take on the ssstory. now back to you.
Sharon:
The jail is small, the island is small, the news is big. it is impossible for the brothers not to know that Joran is “sobbing”
Mason is IMHO an intellectual snob who thinks no one elses opinion have any worht as has been pretty much said by many people here. Also Mason I don;t care one bit about France, almos too bad that France is not under Germanys control. Franc eis one big pmpous country.
OK Natalle undoubtedbly made bad decsion, hell who hasn’t , she young, was having fun, and I would not be a bit surprised if she was not drugged at some point, most likely by , as one person called him ( and I love it) Van Der Sleaze.
I am sure she got in over here head with those three people, and I am sure they know exactly what happened to her.Look at his web site, he calls himself a “Pimp”, somethng I am sure he is proud of. A little ricj boy who thinks that he can get away with things. I am sure he thinks is is really hot stuff, but I bet Natalee was attracted to this scummy brat but found herself not in control at some point. Personally I would not be totally surprised if the whole pint of that car trip was to deleiver her to someone else to be take to a nearby S.American country which is very close by. Either that or raped and killed. Neither a pleasant thought but these three are up to their eyeballs in this. I am very angry about “men” who do things like this to females. I know people who have been drugged and I myself though a male also had that happen to me once. I am sure these three slimey guys were not above using things like this to lure girls. I hoep that somehow she is found alive
Leslie: Wow…could you reference URL for this? Thanks.
# Leslie Says:
June 13th, 2005 at 1:44 pm
I read that the 3 boys were held in one cell until just recently! How can you interrogate these 3 when they can get together and rehearse their stories then talk about the questions afterwards?
I went to the Aruba phone book and found the addresses of the boys parents, the hotel and the bar. I wish I could see a map of the locale to try to figure this out.
3 boys in 1 cell – a report from Geraldo maybe?
Lawyers Filing for Release of Aruba Guards
http://abcnews.go.com/US/LegalCenter/wireStory?id=844305
The body is most likely on ice at police morgue, being held for future reference.
Providing daddy of Joran doesn’t pull enough strings to “lose body permanently” and have it really “not found”.
That is why we must keep pressure on embassies – they have far more power than most people believe.
If the pressure is continued on teh boys – is only a matter of time til their gang rape/ murder becomes public, body will be either “re-found” or they will “discover it” where they found it saturday but claim to have just “found it”
That is my bet on how things will go down unless Daddy of Joran – Paul Van Der Sloot – can shove all this under the proverbial rug.
so what did they mean when “something bad happened”??
That is the question
murder is considered “bad” by some people….however, to other people – someone “crying rape and threatening to tell cops” is “bad”….
just depends on your point of view….
Joran not involved? I can’t believe that. Someone posted a message here a few days ago that Joran got to school the next morning and had scratches on his face, but it also made me wonder if no one else saw that?? ( for instance parents, police)
I also wonder who these two dutchmen are that are send to Aruba, anyone heard if “de neus” is one of them? (just thinking that he could be of great help), since they denied there were no trained dogs with those two people?
i have a question…did Natalee have a roommate on this trip? when was she FIRST reported missing?? like did her roommate say, “Natalee didn’t come home last night” or was it not until everyone was at the airport that they first noticed she was missing…anyone know?
Question for “Just me says”:
Did the fellow students at the international school make police reports about those scratches?
Camera’s are extremely common on last day of school for group pics – are any pics in existance of that day with Joran where the scratches are seen?
If so, can you get those pictures to CNN, FoxNews, or to the Embassy?
@Brenda:
Someone posted it here or on another forum about Natalee. I am reading a lot about her, and what might have happened, and if the scratches were there more people would have noticed I think? I don’t know who posted it, but I could go back in my history and see if I can find the message back.
I would be interested…..if the person who posted that could stand up (here at least) and confirm those scratches – perhaps that person would be willing to turn over any pics taken during finals that last day of school….
I know every day of finals during college had picture sessions – am quite sure this ritual is observed in most places…
http://video.cgi.cbsnews.com/video/video.pl?url=/media/2005/06/13/video701249.wmv&sid=500202&dart=news.video
*** VAN DER SLOOT’S MOM IS LYING IN THIS VIDEO ***
Van der sloot’s mom appears in this video.. her body language says that she
is lying.
>It was only afterwards (a few days later), around his swimming pool, that the
>Kalpoes made plans to come out with one version of the events. But now it
>seems that they are trying to frame Joran. The attorney also told the radio
>station that his client has been hearing Joran van der Sloot sobbing a
>lot lately.
Joran’s dad (attorney; judge in training) needs to be arrested as apparent accessory-after-the-fact (??). If they sat around planning out “one version of the events” — undoubtedly, Joran’s dad was most likely there too..
[ ACCESSORY AFTER THE FACT - Whoever, knowing that an offense has been committed, receives, relieves, comforts or assists the offender in order to hinder or prevent his apprehension, trial or punishment, is an accessory after the fact; one who knowing a felony to have been committed by another, receives, relieves, comforts, or assists the felon in order to hinder the felon's apprehension, trial, or punishment. ]
question: was natalee’s mom a chaperone on the trip? just curious.
Hey guys… I’m back
“—”, are you the one that was on the Mountain Brook trip?
No, she wasnt a chaperone… no parents were.
yeah
Nice to see you again —
more strange video…click on aruba news
http://www.aru-bay.com/photo6.html
“_” … i’m going to ask my question again to you…. did Natalee have a roommate on this trip? when was she FIRST reported missing?? like did her roommate say, “Natalee didn’t come home last night” or was it not until everyone was at the airport that they first noticed she was missing
Robert J. I think you are the one who did some research on possible locations? Soemone on another BB poste this link http://www.briansprediction.com/#news. Take a look at 5/8 and 5/31. I could not pull the drawing up but maybe you can. This is spooky and I don’t know if I believe this tuff but if it’s you, you did a lot of mapping out.
Pray for resolution.
thanks… it’s good to be back! Hey yall, for those of you who missed it before, you can still e-mail Tom stuff that you want me to write in the wall… i went to the prayer vigil today, but the wall is filled up, so they are making 3 new panals for it that will be done this afternoon. I’ll probably go back at about 5 or 6. (I’m going to the prayer vigils everyday at noon, too, so you can send stuff whenever)
compananzi.. what does the video show.. i dont have quick time player?
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1123#comments (control+f and if you search the word scratches, you will find the message)
Here is the message Brenda, posted by someone who used the word “gossip”. I wonder were it came from?? More people must have seen scratches on his face if this is true I guess.
Nat had two roommates…. I don’t think anyone thought she was “missing” they just thought she was with someone else… there were a lot of us scattered all over the hotel. We knew something was up though when she wasnt in her room for checks the next morning, we just didnt know how severe
I did not have it either, I dl the player which is a quick time player the web cam movie shows someone on June 11 taping some policemen meeting meeting a digging crew in the area of the light house.
Oh hey, the FBI just called and I have to go down for an interview… I guess I’ll talk to yall later.
hmmm.. interesting
thank you…and i’m sorry for what you’ve been through.
wonder if they have a body and are trying to get some answers from the idiot boys
did the van seem like a coroners van like an offical van.. or was it possibly a garbage truck just picking up trash?
i’m of the opinion that they have had a body or some sort of evidence for a while and the holloway family is caught in a “political crossfire”. i think the officials of aruba are more concerned about potential lost tourism revenue, than they are about revealing their findings to the family. it’s definitely a cover-up on many levels- the dutch youth, and the country as a whole.
the Police was driving a truck, but I do not know the colors of the police cars or trucks. No did not see no coroners car…the movies are kinda jumpy too..
it was a white van, and i don’t remember it having any markings, or any you could see from the video. the people that are in the video are holding white bags. they look almost cloth-like in appearance. not big enough for a body bag.
well that would be very cruel.. im going to aruba on jun25… but if it turns out that they keep the parebnts intentionally uninformed than i may rethink my future palns to aruba, i have a room booked for carnival 2006
poice cars are white and light-medium blue…
police*
i ve been to aruba many times and never seen anyone walking the remote beaches picking up trash so i dont know what else that could be…
Sharon and Missy make some really thought-provoking points about the Kalpoes. If you saw the websites that have now been taken out, there were quite a few hand signs thrown – the interesting point being that when Joran was doing it, it was a simple scissors gesture and quite open. The Kalpoes, or rather Satish (there weren’t many photos of Deepak, the older boy), was doing it more consistently, more subtly, and with more variations. And there was another friend, Freddie I think, throwing signs as well.
May mean nothing, but put that together with Deepak Kalpoe’s “pimp car” and the fact that, as Sharon mentions, we don’t know how he earns a living – and reports/rumors of drug-dealing (wasn’t it selling Ecstasy?) may be accurate.
you know thinking back to saturday…. maybe they did find her and then decide to clam up….
that “predictions” thing is freaky. especially the drawing of the island…it’s pretty accurate. i’m slightly skeptical though because isn’t that the day the media got ahold of the story?
there are lots of ppl ( teenagers ) that dont work down there…
he may not have a work permit..
I read that the boys are telling different stories “now that they have been moved to separate cells.”
It is incomprehensible to me that they could ever have been kept in the same cells or in cells even near oneanother. It is equally unbelievable that Jones would be in a cell within earshot of Joran.
This really is the Keystone Cops, not that any small town police force in the USA would be much better able to handle a case over their heads such as this.
there are alot of rules as to who dan work and who cant..
ok, i rewatched the video. in the video there are 4 men. one in the far distance walking, and 3 in the immediate distance. the three are situated amongst some semi-waist high rocks and shrubs, making it difficult to decipher what exactly they are doing, but in the other pictures that are listed and that i looked at, two out of the three men are holding the cloth-like bags. the one man looks to be a supervisor (he is wearing a dark shirt and the others are wearing white or light colored shirts). this “supervisor” does a lot of walking back and forth to the other two men, while the man in the distance is constantly moving. in these shots they show a burgandy extended cab truck with yellow lettering that looks to say “POLICE” or “POLIZIA” or something of that nature. they also show the side and the back of an unmarked white van.
as i was watching the video, it occured to me, are these men “cleaning up” or they actually looking for evidence? i did not see wear they might have had plastic gloves on. it looked more to me like a “clean up” rather than a “combing the area for evidence” type of thing. of course this is all my opinion and we all know about opinions….
Our Aruban government is basically on its own….we had teh status apartus since 1985, so we only go to holland when we need major help and we have a Governor that is the middle man for HOlland and Aruba….he lives here on the island, but its the PM that handles most “local” things, but again remember that just because hes teh PM doesnt mean he can do whatever he wants with the police department…their are many more poeple under him that need to approve any chagne made within the dept.
currently thier are 3 police inverstigators form holland also coming to help becuase it is not known WHY the 21 FBI agents that are curently on the island cant figure anything out and cant helpo the local police here enough to get closer to anything, the Dutch have sent these 3 investigators to see if this can come to a conclusion already
does natalee have a boyfreind in Alabama?It is being said here that she does and the radio station would like to contact him to speak to him maybe not live but just to get more info on Natalee
does anyone know if joran already had contact with natalee via internet before the disappearance? becuase then his 2nd story doesnt make sense either
i think the Aruban Gov’t just has a different way of investigating than we do (obviously), but i also think that the bum-rush by the media throws ANY investigation into a tizzy. especially when they don’t have a lot of experience DOING this kind of investigating strictly because this sort of thing just DOESN’T happen there, that’s not really their fault. Look what happened in the Jon Benet Ramsey case…those cops were TOTALLY underqualified just because they never had to DO that kind of investigation before.
That was wrong news…they were never in the sam cell together..and the police stations here are very small and apparently i spok eto someone that was encarcerated in the same station, and he says at night one way or another you can speak to eachtoher, not see eachother but you can hear eachother
Dear Hater, I think you were the one that said a single mother was shot and killed in Manhattan over the weekend! Well, if it is the same story about a woman from Baltimore, shopping there with a tour group over this past weekend, she was not killed. She was shot but she is in stable condition and I do believe that she was released today to return home to Baltimore. I am just northeast of Baltimore and our local news has reported this story. What I am saying is that the media (OUR media) did not even get this story right in the United States (if this is the same story you heard about a woman being shot and killed). I just do not see how we can expect to get it from a foreign country. Granted, the investigation is running very slowly and if I were Natalee’s mother/family, I would definitely want some answers pronto. There are no right answers to all of this, except to just let these three suspects start to point the finger at each other (as they are doing) as I believe that is the only way any answers are going to be found. I also believe that the media needs to stop reporting inaccuracy and wait to do their reporting when they have absolute truth – they are jumping to conclusions simply for ratings and we are falling for it. As far as boycotting Aruba for their lack of safety, then we should most definitely boycott Orlando, Los Angeles, New York City, Washington, D.C. and Chicago. I am not so sure that our local law enforcement would be doing any better as far as the time length that has gone by. Do you remember how long it took them to find the killer of Jessica Lunsford and find her?
I see the Kalpoes’ family has a rental car agency. Maybe the older one, Deepak, is employed there.
In a response to a question about the “verbal fight” that took place a few days before her disappearance, one of the Mountain Brook kids said that she did not have a boyfriend. I am going by recollection perhaps someone else recalls this.
The movie looks like they were covering something with plastic..it looks like they were laying plastic sheets over something.
The “bags” in the video look more like sheets of plastic… like painting drop cloths. One of the men appears to be wearing some kind of full face mask and is holding a large pair of tongs. he disappears behind the brush, possibly sitting down or getting down on his knees… presumably working on something up close…?
Boy… those are creepy tapes. Definately NOT a routine beach trash patrol.
bamajo.. thanx i just got back…that sounds like they were looking for evidence… prolly lots of search sites…that same seen might have taken place in 40 different locations.. just my opinion
ok i ll download the damn player .. i have to see myself.. you guys have made me very curious…
Rob Says:
June 13th, 2005 at 12:51 pm
i just remember something i heard at the beginning of this case… tell me if you heard abou this… that two sisters were supposely kiddnapped (possibly by their brother ) and they were about to become victims of human trafficking but the authorities broke it up.. anyone else heard this and if so , can it be confirmed…
thought i d ask again…
Is there any blog that the Alabama Mountain Brook Students that came to Aruba keep?
The Mountain Brook kids seem to be jumping onto this site pretty frequently.
should i just click on the pictures at the bottom ? to start the video?
Yes, rob. Click the pictures. It takes a little time to download.
the picture at the left ?
There are 8 clips. 5th from left and 8th from left.
yes rob. that is what you do. it takes a moment for them to load.
i dont know, its not really working, maybe that s why i never wanted quick time
Rob…i read that too, and you’re right, it WAS their brother. but i think they were younger than Natalee and black. i THINK.
the one that i described was the seventh from the left, meaning the next to the last clip.
OT- There is a verdict in the MJ Case.
Can the tape be played on another player- I haven’t been able to open it.
hey birminghammer, try to view yours again, please. i tried to go back and watch the clips, but all mine came up black, like maybe it is not working? rob, did you get yours to work?
i dont think so.. but what do i know….
i have it in a seprate window and i cant get it to work…i have no idea..
hmmm… i wonder if they took down the videos? mine was working earlier, so i don’t think it is my computer.
They still work.
Seems to be two areas of interest. The one where there is someone on their knees doing something and then another by the big rock. There must be something there because they sure are spending a fair amount of time esp. where that guy is kneeling
Could you provide the URL you are looking at? I’ve been trying to search back and find what you guys are looking at an I’m coming up with 0. Thanks
Could they be holding the evidence so that the MJ verdict takes the international eyes in a different direction?
http://www.aru-bay.com/photo6.html
they have NO idea where MJ is. he’s not at the estate, he’s not at the hospital…he’s M.I.A. WHY am i NOT surprised.
try this:
http://www.aru-bay.com/photo6.html
hope that works for you.
this just maintains my belief that the “officials” have something, whether it be a full body, or parts or whatever and are trying to do “damage control” before the info hits the “world public”.
http://www.aru-bay.com/photo6.html
http://aru-bay.com/photo6.html
Sorry…found it.
Take a look at some of the other clips on the aru-bay.com site… clips of pretty wild partying!
bamajo- probably black because I was downloading other clips and tieing up their server. they are working for me.
Lawyers File Motions Seeking Aruban Court Order Freeing Two Held in Case of Missing Teen
http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBMH0R3X9E.html
http://www.aru-bay.com/photo6.html
on that site is a page called “Aruba Web Cams.” Click in the clip called “The Sequel.” Is that typical of C&C’s… ???
well that was freaky……i dont know what to make of that… looks like a crime scene
It really does. I watched both small screen for detail and large screen to see general idea. Sure looks like they have something.
Red, what’s your e-mail?
creepy video. doesn’t look good but obviously it means nothing.
on saturday, some oen said here that natalee was brutally murdered and that it was reported by top 95…elvis weert was told to tone it down.. so again, i dont know…
I do recall that I believe it was Saturday that there was a wreck over by the light house. Although it could be a crime scene investigation I wonder if it may have been them investigating a wreck. People get killed in wrecks all the time. Just specualting.
doesn’t it though. after reviewing the last clip (you were right birminghammer), i can clearly see that it some sort of plastic they are laying down. i just wish they would say where she is and what her state is and just get over this charade. of course, i know it is not that easy. my heart goes out to her family and loved ones. as if one victim is not enough.
you have to admit that quick time is like the stone age…
the video on aru-bay do you mean the one 2nd row 1st video? That was on the party boat Tattoo not C&C
Pretty smart marketing move by http://www.aru-bay.com to put a watermark on the video. Let’s see if the media picks it up. Hope their servers are ready for the onslaught.
hmm… i did not see any other vehichles or anything else in the clips that would or could indicate a wreck. that would be convenient wouldn’t it?
NativeLingo–
Red’s email address is red@scaredmonkeys.com
Tom’s tom@scaredmonkeys.com
FYI, Red and Tom, seems that 2 parallel threads going, 1131 and 1132
Didn’t someone say on saturday that helicopters were spotted on saturday circling the area by the lighthouse?
I think party boats can be wilder than some clubs at times. I will never forget how wild the Jolly Roger pirate ship was when I was on a cruise in the caribbean and took it as one of my shore excursions. WIth free flowing rum punch, I can see where things get wild on party boats.
Sure looks like something, but then they don’t seem to concerned about the scene either….dogs and folks walking all over.
a wreck would have at least one ambulance , you d think.. i did nt see an ambulance.
Thanjs mustiquemama….
Tom, Red……YOU GOT MAIL
stone age… but still pretty cool that we can get this kind of video so easily!! I can still remember getting a TV at our house back in the 60′s! That was a big deal! (I was a kid).
what time of day was that shot, because if you remeber, the idiot boys were in court at 2, that would be a great distraction…
Iangosta-
please what map????
Can you refer me to the site?
that would also explain wht the authories told ms. twitty that they did nt think natalee was still alive…
A-in-A – that was in the second row. I saw a sign flash in the back that was probably “Tatoos” but I don’t know the island or the party boats. Either way… a pretty wild evening. It wouldn’t take much for a few high testoterone boys to lose control of themselves in an environment like that.
PS Jackson caravan may be on way to crthouse…..
i say he s getting convicted on the most serious charges..
“Friend of MJ “( not Michael Jackson)
Scroll down to May 31st.
http://www.briansprediction.com/may2005.htm
it does seem a very casual scene, doesn’t it? if the gov’t is as corrupt as has been reported, and they are trying to cover up, does it surprise you that it is a casual scene? also, the person in the green shirt w/the dogs, looks female, no? or is it just me?
Yes the baot is named Tattoo and liek 1 a month their s 1 dollar bar and theirs a local band that plays on it 1 a week and other nights its DJ its actually really great trip…we always take our american freinds when they come down to those places becuase they are “american” oriented..believe it or not……but the C&C and the Sanchos Group also “design” theri nights with music and shows for AMERICANS its a typical american club and on the other side of the wahrf thiers a bar for the Dutch poeple that come to aruba and next to C&C theirs a typical arubian club, but when C&C closes (1am) everyone goes to Bahia becuase its open till 4am.but again clubs have nothign to do with it
regarding briansperdiction.com:
Any webmaster can change any date at any time.
maybe the woman with the dog is the person who found the , what ever is it, when she was waliking her dog.
DOes anyone know if it is true that Natalee had removed money from an ATM machien last week on the island? ANyone hear about this?
i have nt heard that , but things are expensive, so i dont doubt it…
Kipster…i agree…very skeptical, but creepy just the same because what if it IS a legitimate date?? i love the word creepy today for some reason.
iIagnosta- thank you
Rob- say cheese……
you know, stuff comes out of the ocean all the time. could just be a dolphin….
hahahahahhahaha…. very funny…… f o MJ…still on the floor…
Regarding May 31st on brian’s prediction, Natalee disappeared on the 30th right?
AmericaninAruba Says:
June 13th, 2005 at 4:14 pm
DOes anyone know if it is true that Natalee had removed money from an ATM machien last week on the island? ANyone hear about this?
Rob Says:
June 13th, 2005 at 4:15 pm
i have nt heard that , but things are expensive, so i dont doubt it…
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you mean as in LAST WEEK? like, while she is supposed to be missing? i have not hear that. where did you hear that? did you read it? probably rumour.
I just heard a comment on the radio saying when was the date that she pinned cash? they were asking if the date was really the 1st week of june (1st days she was missing) Not the first time I heard that comment
im gonna turn on top 95 … see what their saying..
Their talkign in papiamaneto i can translate ifyou need any info
the freak line is open
natalee was to leave aruba on 5 -30 right…
EXACTLY!
well, then that would be unusaul…
yes on Monday Morning her flight was to depart
Kipster…yes…i think the media actually glommed on to the story ON the 31st, which is why skepticism about the prediction is valid…but it’s still CREEEEPY.
hmmm… that is interesting. don’t know what to make of that.
and forgive me, i cannot spell properly today for some reason.
also on brian’s prediction thingy, to coin the word “creepy”, isn’t it creepy that he almost got the spelling of her name right? she may have gone missing on the 30th, but when did it hit the media that she was missing?
sometimes ATM charges take a few days to post, so it is conceivable that charges from a restaurant or gift shop could have a posting date in June.
OT – i live about an hourish south of Santa Maria and i SO want to drive up and see all the Michael Jackson freaks!!! it’s NUTS out there!!! they’re CREEPY.
It hit the media Monday MORnign, that same evening her mother arrived with 3 FBI agents on a private jet
I was just on Tom’s first page of this website, and he’s posted a message from Arubagirl (see the last sentence):
Stories Changing Yet Again
June 13th, 2005 by Tom –>
But our correspondent from Aruba thinks that it is not true. The newstory is that the brothers dropped of Johan at home and then left with Natalee. Or Natalee and Johan were dropped off by the brothers.
Aruba Girl sent us a note that says.
It would be stupid to drop J first off at his home and then go back to drop off Natalee if you’re coming from the lighthouse.
Local and international press went to a search site with NH’s family, no news on the results. They don’t want to give up the location of the site in order to avoid a crowd forming there.
if she took out money , it might not have posted to her account for a coupke of days, especially in aruba, i had atm s that did nt appear until i was back already like a week
Does someone recognize the man in the green T-shirt with the dogs and more important the stick he has in his hand, on the videos? I believe I do, i don’t know if others use it in other countries, but in my country(The Netherlands) we do have someone who uses it to find bodies. That person is called “de neus” the nose in english..It could be him, but maybe other countries do have special people too who use the same stick to find someone?
rum mj run!
wonder if it is the area that is depicted in those video clips?
AmericaninAruba Says:
June 13th, 2005 at 4:24 pm
It hit the media Monday MORnign, that same evening her mother arrived with 3 FBI agents on a private jet
so she was supposed to leave on monday a.m.? so had she been missing 24 hours when her mom and the FBI agents hit the arubian sand? i’m confuzzled.
>langosta Says:
>
>June 13th, 2005 at 4:10 pm
>”Friend of MJ “( not Michael Jackson)
>
>Scroll down to May 31st.
>
>http://www.briansprediction.com/may2005.htm
One problem with “prediction” — it was supposedly recorded May 31st.
Natalee went missing night of May 29th / morning of May 30th.
stick to find bodies? now i know where the problems all started……..
* * * STRONGLY RECOMMENDED SEARCH AREA !!! * * *
IF IT HAS _NOT_ BEEN SEARCHED..
STRONGLY RECOMMEND SEARCHING LAGOON/WETLAND AREA
JUST INLAND OF HADICURARI! LAGOON/WETLAND AREA IS ON
THE ROAD TO/FROM ARASHI BEACH [LIGHTHOUSE]. IF “SOMETHING
BAD HAPPENED” AT ARASHI BEACH — YOUNG MEN MAY HAVE DUMPED
BODY AT LAGOON/WETLAND AREA. (VERSUS BUBALI PLAS BECAUSE
TOO MANY HOTELS/PEOPLE TO PASS BY BEFORE GETTING TO BUBALI
PLAS — NOT SO WITH LAGOON/WETLAND AREA) (POSSIBILY MORE OF
A DESOLATE AREA WHERE YOUNG MEN COULD “QUITELY” DUMP THE
BODY; (IF THEY ACTUALLY WENT OUT TO ARASHI BEACH!).
* * * STRONGLY RECOMMENDED SEARCH AREA !!! * * *
- – - – - – -
REFERENCE:
QUESTIONS:
(5a) Is there a lagoon or wetland INLAND of Hadicurari?
(5B) Has it been searched? Along shores? With boats?
[ Apparently the lagoon or wetland is on the road to/from ARASHI BEACH.. ]
arubagirl Says:
June 12th, 2005 at 10:45 pm
Hadicurari, I think there’s a small area there that fills up when it rains.
I don’t think it’s been filled, don’t if it’s been search.
Bigger Wetlands are at Bubali Plas.
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Rob- uggg! backl to work in 10 min.
Imagine if jackson gets found innocent and goes back to neverland,
and the black gaurds stay in jail….
btw/ not that it is a racial thing/ but is micheal jackson black or white////!!!
Soon Tome needs to put up a mike site.
i looked at the fooage pretty closely and honestly that area could be over by kia
caravan still 20 miles from courthouse….
Iangosta
Brian may have got it on the plane crash/just now in Florida
Rob Says:
June 13th, 2005 at 4:30 pm
i looked at the fooage pretty closely and honestly that area could be over by kia
so, what does that mean?
ok look she went out SUNDAY NIGHT MAY 29th…..She was supposed to be at the airport MONDAY MAY 30TH at 10am but never got there….her mother arrived MONDAY MAY 30th in the Evening
about Natalee taking money out of her account…i thought the only thing missing was her drivers license? was her ATM card gone too?
F o MJ you mean the never tell ranch.. hes…,hmmmmmmm ,a rich white woman….
thanks AmericainAruba. i haven’t been in on the story from the very, very beginning, but am a concerened alabamian.
Rob -I didn’t look that close. VERY CHEESY PHOTOS!!
If it were imp info we wouldn’t be seeing it.
KIA.golf/Pet cemtary.
If I’m wrong, sue me.
they said on sat that a body was recovered by kia… thats what that means…
Just dropping in to see if there is any more news! Howdy all..
I wasn’t kidding( about the man in the green Tshirt with the stick), my husband thinks it is used in all countries, but now I’m not sure. Rob I don’t understand your comments? Because I am dutch doesn;’t mean i do agree with the justice overhere.
“Rob Says:
June 13th, 2005 at 4:27 pm
rum mj run!”
ROB- are you referring to Mickey John or Michael Jackson?!?! LOL!!!
i have only heard that her driver’s license was missing. but it can take several days for atm charges to post… especially from a foreign country.
what is kia?
KIA is the prison here
Korectie Institute van ARuba
never tell ranch is good
attys going into courthouse for jackson…….helicpters everywhere for jackson…..
anything going on AUA…..still all zipped up??? no 4 pm meeting???
soon
m. jackson… run mj run! run as far away as you can ,as fast as you can and never look back ever…..run mj run
gotta go to ballet rehearsal with my daughter will beback!
it would make sense that her driver’s license is missing, she could have had it on her person. you know, in her pocket with her cash.
so, in those clips, were those kia inmates that were looking for something?
the abandoned town there is very “creepy and cheezy”….there s those words again
never tell chicken ranch?
i think those were dog catchers…. and they let a big black one walk right offf.
rob-
Iam not trying to sound chhesy at all
I did not even dream about cheese.
I wish I didn’t have to work.
By the time I get news it will be a done deal I think.
Later
Thanks
i would not could not eat green cheese…
call me later Fo MJ
rob where r u from?
Re- videos of something found near lighthouse..
REFERENCE, SUNDAY 12 JUNE 2005:
>MissyRose Says:
>
>June 12th, 2005 at 7:50 pm
>I am reading a report that says they found a dog body decomposing
>by the lighthouse, anyone on the island here this?
>
>
pittsburgh i ll be in aya on jun 25.. so they better get their shit togther
aua*
i was just with her at the bar
i did not fu.k her in the cartook her to see the stars
now i am behind steel bars
Bamajo – those look like two police officers in black shorts and two workers of some sort, one a black man wearing a white ball cap, the other a caucasian wearing the gas mask. Another caucasian is wearing the green t-shirt, khaki shorts and a blue ball cap – holding the white stick. Two black dogs are wandering around – not on leashes.
Tom or Red:
If you’re reading, the note you posted from Arubagirl re:
“Local and international press went to a search site with NH’s family, no news on the results. They don’t want to give up the location of the site in order to avoid a crowd forming there. …”
Is that news from today? The CNN, FOX News, MSNBC has totally gone to MJ coverage.
Thank you.
have you ever seen some of these mongrels that roam the beach… thay have to die somewhere dont they?
two robs now???
later.
from the website on those film clips:
“this footage was taped on the 11th of june 2005 in the early morning hours behind the lighthouse, were the tree suspects …..NOT THE BLACK SECURITY’S WHO WERE ACCUSSED BY THE INTERNATIONAL MEDIA (CNN FOX AND OTHERS)BUT this is the area the three who saw her last said they went and EVERYBODY + man’s best friend were there on a very VERY low profile so draw your own conclusion……… “
Robert J, look at the drawing on that predictions iste. Does it look like yours?
creeeeeeeeeepy abandoned town…….thanks Rob.
thanks birminghammer. my quality on this computer is not very good.
and f o mj, that is a very clever poem, indeed.
wonder if he ll moonwalk on the top of the suv this time… what a freak… the whoile damm family needs locked up…
ROB
micheal arrives now
time to get out the crackers and cheese guys.
im here to please ..
m.jackson is the best babysitter/fake father figure ever
hahaha fomj
if aua has no c heese
bet they will have 7 people incustody tonight…
i ll be back.. i wanna watch the freaks go crazy when they say he s going to jail..
where do you come by the number 7? and which people?
I don’t know why, but I kinda feel sorry for wacko jacko (watching him go into the court).
wow
I can’t believe people are talking about boycotting aruba
the real destination to be boycotted if any is bali
becuase of schappelle corby
well anyway it’s turning out to be
that I was right
security gaurds innocent
jorgan (dutch teen) innocent (father is judicial official)
to 2 surnimese brothers guilty (known drug dealers)
I saw this
Aruba Girl sent us a note that says.
It would be stupid to drop J first off at his home and then go back to drop off Natalee if you’re coming from the lighthouse.
but even if they went to the ‘beach’
‘she didn’t get out of the car’
the dutch teen and her were already in the back seat
even if its the dutch teens brothers/cousins car
they were drinking she was drunk
and I suspect so was jorgan
so he would have wanted to be dropped off
I don’t understand why people are saying boycott aruba
innocent until Proven guilty the cops haven’t proved thier guilty yet
and I’m sure the lawyers and keeping them silent
yes they are living in aruba but they’re not
natives
I will pick this up later tonight
I have to go back to work right now
attn aruba girl has anyone searched the caves of aruba????
if they are ‘locals’ they would know where to hide someone
so not to be found
l8r
I don’t understand why a member of our FBI can’t be present for the interrogation of these 3 boys – that would be a way for Aruba to make themselves look like they want the world to know they are hiding nothing. I believe there is a cover up. I don’t understand how it can be reported by the Police Chief that a confession was received and then have it retracted … something is not right. I love Aruba, I have been there about 10 times … but I truly agree with Geraldo that this stinks to high Heaven.
that was my thought too. that video is pretty wide out in the open…even though it’s amongst rocks, it doesn’t appear to be a “hiding” place. it seems to me like there would be a lot less obvious places to stash a body. #1 being weighted in the water.
Here comes the verdict
i can’t remember the post, but i remember reading in this thread something about a “significant” amount of blood was in the trunk. can anyone verify this?
also, i’m curious to know what the stain is they found in the seat. they say it’s not related to the case, but how can we believe that when they say they have a body, then try to recant that statement?
I guess we wont hear much here in the states tonight because of this MJ stuff
you are probably right.
must be part of the consp. blahhh
MJ verdict in, judge reviewing the ballots.
I do agree with you Donna, I just read the dutch news on the internet and they are really up to date about the MJ story..But they weren’t when a dutch son of an important person was in the picture on this case. They kept it quited for a while, until they had to post the news, because gladly a lot of us do read other newssites from other countries.
(No other country does have men using white sticks?? It isn’t a woman for sure, and most in my country do know who uses such a stick, where are all the dutch, I know they read here, and hope Natalee is still alive just like I do)
For the family and friends who read here, my prayers are with you, and I hope and pray that justice will be done!!!!
I usually just try to lurk and learn. I don’t want to contribute to the hurtful or destructive posts that seem to come in waves….first the chaperone bashing, then her classmates that were with her then the Island. Jez.
I stay because filtering those all out there are some nuggets that really contribute information and understanding.
One observation..lies usually have a thread of truth woven within them. One is that N.H. would not get out of the car. Depending on the version or theory you insert that could be at the beach/lighthouse, at the hotel, or other location, she resisted getting out.
Also…cans someone confirm/explain about bruises and scratches possibly in evidence.
Also…Dutch boy was apparently accomplished at using to internet to meet girls coming to Aruba. Did he do that with N.H.?
ok here it comes
he is ………… no guilty of consp.
no gulity of lued act
good grief 30 count here so far up to # 6 not guilty
ok not gulity of alcohol
I agree: Lies usually have partial truths within making them more believable and easier to pass off.
he is walking on all of them
omg he might get off of all this they are on count 8 now still not guilty
boy i bet scott wishes he had that attorney
i agree with that assertation as well – about lies having a spot of truth to them. afterall, a person who is a “con”, is only telling the partial truth, that is how they can get away with things. they know how to manipulate the facts of something. of which i have no doubt that these 3 guys are doing with regards to the whereabouts of natalee.
Quiet I meant..and @ Bamajo: I read that too..I don’t understand what they say, first there is a lot of blood on the backseat of the car, then after investigating it wasn’t blood at all. Really weird.
Then one of the three said she was murdered, and he would take the police to the place where it all happened, and suddenly no one confessed anything..whoever did something to Natalee is going to pay, even if he is a rich boy, but still I hope she is alive somewhere.
ALL NOT GUILTY
Not guilty on all counts. Leave MJ alone.
He did it
can we convict NO celebrity here in california?!?!?! such a freaking DISGRACE!
Hi guys.
I have no idea where seroe patrishi is, Brenda, so can’t tell you how long it would take.
If Joran was that concerned about his exams, he wouldn’t have gone out in the first place
Those sites posted are not mine.
The lawyers are from different firms.
The reason why Rudy Croes doesn’t speak for the the authorities is that he is not he is a minister, not a cop or a prosecutor, and frankly, he should keep his mouth shut more often. His buddy Nel can take a lesson there too.
Don’t know about NH, But he did have a spaces site where it appears that he was in contact with a girl from NY who is visiting Aruba in Aug 2005.
..found the girls site in my history…..looks like she cleaned her web page and must have deleted the comment she had on Joren’s…looks like she logged in today.
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=7582636&Mytoken=20050609104931
well, with mj getting off, i’m sure that leaves some hope for the person(s) who did something to natalie.
LOL Lang
What sucks is now jurors are gonna do interviews everything will be about this tonight
arubagirl, prior to all this happening to natalee, did you know any of the three suspects? pardon me, if this has been covered before.
Nope, never heard of them before.
Arubagirl, most dutch boys would take their girl home or to their hotel if they kissed or had “something going on”. They wouldn’t leave her in the car with two “friends” to bring her home, and as you said, the exams would be more important then going out.
MJ not guilty?? I hope my government does better in the case of Natalee, money or not doesn’t make any difference ( I hope)
Any new developments Arubagirl?
Case of missing Alabama teen in Aruba puts race into spotlight
6/13/2005, 4:21 p.m. CT
By MICHAEL NORTON
The Associated Press
http://www.al.com/newsflash/regional/index.ssf?/base/news-14/1118696749228320.xml&storylist=missinggirl
there is no “trial by jury” in Aruba is there? god i hope not. our justice system is a JOKE…people confuse “reasonable doubt” with “ANY doubt”. thank GOD they got Scott Peterson!! although he’s not a celebrity.
In order to celebrate the Michael Jackson verdict, Geraldo Rivera, Prime Minister Nel Oduber, Justice Minister Rudy Croes, and several memebers of the Aruba Police Department will reenact the “Thriller” zombie dance scene tonight in the Carlos ‘n Charlies parking lot.
Booya, you crack me up.
WOw, that brought one funny visual to mind.
Good one Booya! LOL
Boo- LOL- I hope FOX News will cover it.
Hi…hherraldo rrrriverra here for FOX newsss…..in order to show solidarity to all of my colleagues covering the Michael Jackson trial in Santa Maria California, I will from now conduct all of my interviews in Aruba dressed like Peter Pan, Michael Jackson’s favorite Disney character.
If I’m every guilty of anything… I want to go to trial in California!
Arubagirl:
Your post carried at the top of the Scared Monkeys site says that there was a search? Did you mean today? Here’s what is posted:
Aruba Girl sent us a note that says.
It would be stupid to drop J first off at his home and then go back to drop off Natalee if you’re coming from the lighthouse.
Local and international press went to a search site with NH’s family, no news on the results. They don’t want to give up the location of the site in order to avoid a crowd forming there.
Arubagirl-Does the address Montanja 19 mean anything to you?
i personally don’t think skin color played a part at all, now i do think joran’s dad’s position played a HUGE part in it, and the two surinamese guys were along for the ride.
Catriana… are you a celebrity? you have to be a CELEBRITY out here in order to be above the law. i’m embarrassed to LIVE out here right now.
@Langosta:
Aruba doesn’t have trial by jury..I only hope that they will not cover up for “the son of”, just because the father is an important person.
Dutch law isn’t always honest either:-((
(I wonder if some persons are kidding me about the man with the stick, do you know such persons or not, can anybody please answer??)
Langosta… Oops! No, I’m not a celebrity. I guess I better behave myself.
Hee hee…the way you make me me feel now he….whhooooooaaaaa!!!!! Jam on eh
pajama party @ the never tell ranch tonight
hey I’m back
i hear m.jackson will be sing for the troops…
cub scout troop 73
— anything new?
i have great news
I’ll be back later tonight……got to practice the Moonwalk and I’m digging in my closet for my one left handed white sparkling glove and red zipper jacket
i just saved a load of money on my car insurance
You just saved a bunch of money by switching to GEICO
nope
—- thanks. And thanks for coming back.
Aruba will get past this -a great island.
FYI this is from the other running comment post at 1132:
Tom Says:
June 13th, 2005 at 5:46 pm
You have asked and we deliver.
Scared Monkeys Discussion Forum
Look to the right hand side, and click the link for the new forums to discuss to your hearts content the Natalee Holloway disappearance.
To post, you will need to log in.
huh?
I cant believe they found Micheal innocent
There is now an easier to use forum on the main page. On the upper right. Just register and read. Well worth the effort.
— Says, they didn’t find him innocent, they found him not guilty. I know, words.. but they mean quite different things. A jury cannot find someone innocent.
The jury determined that in their eyes, the prosecution had not proven their case beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Michael Jackson is most assuredly a pedophile and a predator. They just haven’t proven it to a jury…. YET. But, pedophiles and predators don’t stop just because they have been found not guilty by a jury, so you can expect to see Michael Jackson in court again sometime in the future. Maybe a jury will get it right next time.
Tourists alert but not afraid
AM ARUBA
http://am.aruba.tv
Arubans pray with family of missing Alabama teen
ARUBA TODAY .com
http://www.arubatoday.com/week/monday/
Holloway’s mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, told The Associated Press on Sunday that the family was organizing a new search for 18-year-old Natalee Holloway, who disappeared May 30 after a night of dancing and drinking and an early morning ride to the beach. It wasn’t clear when the search was to begin.
http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBF2NQ9X9E.html
Sorry – had not seen Amy Kappel’s info on Kaploes before posting that their family owns a rental car agency. Thought that was a fact, but guess not.
Would still like to know more about these brothers.
Can you give the link to Amy’s site?
Hello, all. Anything new? (I see some things are WAY OLD, like the ones that want to blame the chaperones and kids that were there. Good grief.)
The American armed forces are planning an invasion of the island of Aruba that is said to surpass the epic battle for Okinawa in 1944
Her is a link to the map of Aruba that is nicely defined. no street names though.
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/armap.shtml
Courtesy of Brenda, who posted it earlier:
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/.
7.9 richter scale earthquake just registered in Chile
hahahaha Booyakasha your funny lmao hahaha
Give it a lil more time you all.These suspects are finally falling apart…..it won’t be much longer…after all for the most part they are just youngsters
unable to remember which lie was told and who said what.IN a few more hours they will break down specially the young kid,my scources say hes been crying all afternoon in his cell…..
They will be using vintage SBD dauntless dive bombers, Corsair attack bombers, and flamethrowers, attacking and incinerating everyone on the beach, including tourists
Booya- how close is chile to peru??
brian guessed it’d be 5.5 or greater…
but
he was also predicting that jackson would be found guilty…..
informatin lock down??
aruba girl-whats on the radio?
We were all predicting that Jackson would be found guilty!!
http://scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/viewforum.php?f=2 new forum
Friend of MickeyJohn…are you from the Boston area?
AZ
thanks for the good map info.
B ooo
ooya sh/tI have been typing too much and
yes AZ Boston/cape cod
Wassup
Former Sheriff’s Deputy checking in. Spent the day thinking about the role of the chaperons. I firmly believe that these chaperons were no more contributing to the safety of these children, than does a Greyhound bus driver driving his machine. It seems like these chaperons were there physically; but dead from the neck up. I find this unbelievable. And yes, I have heard that waivers were signed, that they were not there to “ride herd” on these children. I find it amazing that a chaperon can be so careless in their duties. If my daughter did not return from a trip, I’d be all over these chaperons.
If I was Mr. Holloway I’ be getting ready to file lawsuits.
Any other comments?
Deputy
Former, you’re out of line on this one. They were not chaperons.
You are to sue crazy for me. Bad stuff happens, been happening since creation.
Yes. Go away. You’re wrong, and get over it. You do not know how it is, because you aren’t part of this town.
Let’s all bow down to Deputy….he obviously is better and smarter then us all. Better yet….let’s stop the investigation and just put all the adults on trial that were on the trip. I guess they kidnapped Natalee……..Case solved
Former-WE ALL aren’t playing with YOU.
Ignore buttons
ACTIVATE!!!!!!!!
hey aruba girl
I actually got on a plane
2 weeks after 9/11
and it was one of the airports that
terrorists left from
eeh
yeah I was on my toes that day
yikes
army in the airport with machine guns
hello
Firstly I would like to thank the people of aruba
and the contacts on this page that are feeding us the info
your time and effort is extrodinary
now to this
bamaborn Says:
June 12th, 2005 at 10:56 am
I don’t know exactly, that’s the hard part with visions, especially when they refer to places you have never seen or physically been to before . . . I just saw her covered in this dust and I stood next to her underneath the lighthouse. Unfortunately, I believe she would not have been able to come to me if she were not already on another plane. Is that what you are asking?
I too had a ‘vision’ not as vivid as yours but about a cave
arubagirl Says:
June 12th, 2005 at 11:05 am
Bama Born, there are two phosphate mines. THere is one where you can sort of just walk in, it’s incredibly extensive and it resembles a maze. I’ve walked in there for 4 hours with friends and I don’t think I’ve covered more than half of it.
The other phosphate mine you’ll have to rappell down to it, as from the opening to the bottom it’s a several -meters drop. It’s open now, my friends and I went to look there (not rappell down, but just from the opening), and nothing seemed out of the ordinary.
there in lies the question… they didn’t have to rappell down….
if they were dropping someone in…
I’m hoping I’m wrong
Praying for the best
Many of criticize my position on who is at fault and who is to blame.
I feel that you are letting those responsible for the safety of the children on this trip off the hook way to soon. I find it amazing.
Don’t you care to hold people accountable? MBHS05, I bet id it was your child missing, you’d be singing a very different story. (Thank god it isn’t!)
Deputy
Test
BOYCOTT USA !!!!
Stupid Yankees …. with the FBI CIA DEA and the whole US Army looking for BIN LADEN he still isn’t found !!! USA literally had to smoke Sadam out of his own country…
Leave the poor Aruban law-enforcements alone… the FBI is already assisting and that is more than allowed by law. USA does not have any jurisdiction over there; the perpetrators will go free if any FBI agent lays a hand on them.
Furthermore the death penalty is not allowed by Geneva convention something USA does not respect and the Arubans do….. like the rest of the civil world.
9/11 Aruba paid all expenses for all tourist stranded, the USA was not able to even warn for possible threats and it took hours before people realized it was an aircraft and not just fire in the towers.
People stop being so arrogant………………
BOYCOTT ARUBA! No one should travel there. My theory is that they know little son of judge Van Der Sloot did it and are trying to cover it up but can’t decide wether they want to or not because they know it is going to hurt their tourism. their only source of $$$. So I say, let us threaten those bastards now so that they stick it to that sick son of a JUDGE!
I see that Minister Rudy Croes is coming up with conflicting news on a daily basis and now a Steve Croes, DJ on the Tattoo Party ship has been arrested in connection with the investigation. A news search on google or alltheweb doesn’t connect the two even though the media stated Steve is related to a prominent Aruban. Gee, do you think maybe Rudy? Van Der Sloot’s father may not be the only father impeding this investigation. This is down right corrupt!
Wow.
Some stupid drunk girl gets in the car in a foreign country with a foreign guy and you guys say boycot Aruba? Are you retards?
Sorry, when your stupid, and in a foriegn land, bad things happen. She was probably too young and obviously not responsible enough for this kind of travel.
This is not Aruba’s fault.
You need to spend your time on something else, this should barely be news with all the horrible crap going on right now around the world.
Cannot believe this. I posted something that suggested Croes was a pilot and EMT and the post got deleted. I did that yesterday around 6 pm. Anyone remember it?
I feel that the officials of Aruba are playing games in resolving the disappearance of Natalee. I created a website http://boycottaruba.net from with the official Aruba Tourism Authority. I want to promote this site to help pressure the Arubian officials into bringing forth the truth in the disappearance of Natalee.
I don’t think most of the people that have posted here have even been to Aruba, calling it a third world country, etc. I don’t think you realize people in Aruba speak Papiamento, Dutch, Spanish and english fluently, which makes them able to accomodate tourists from all over the world. Even if a few people boy cott the island, there are alot of people that have been going for years and consider it their home away from home. The rich South Americans will continue coming and the Europeans. Aruba has an oil rifinary plus it has the Aloe business. I think they will be fine.
The information I have read on other news around the world is that before this most people did not know about Aruba, but now thanks to American Media they have become curious about visiting the island.
Aruba will be fine. (Hater person)
as per visitaruba….Oh please. You really think the tourist trade will continue to thrive there without the tourists from the USA? I suggest you find out from the Aruba Tourist industry who spends the most money there. Europeans? Small amount. South American tourists? Small amount. They will not be fine, unless you really want Aruba to test your theory, which you already know is ludicrous at best. It’s apparent in the continued dancing around their incompetence.
To those assuming that she was drunk, kindly remember this is a drug dealer/drug users paradise. She didnt have to drink alcohol to get any date rape drug, so quit trying to make her out this way. She’s not the one with a website showing Joran and his buds being stupid, they are.
to Pathfinder…how ignorant. Aruba is 198 square miles. What does this have to do with trying lamely to compare this to Afghanistan? At least if you are trying to compare this lamely with another total idea, make your argument more sound. Your assuming the FBI is involved totally is completely false. They are allowed to tag along and when something comes up that the Aruban Police cannot even begin to work out, THEN they allow the FBI to help, then diss them until the next needed help.
As for Former Sheriffs Deputy, you’re on the right track. Lawsuits are more than needed when incompetence in investigation is so evident. You’re right in all your posts so far.
Making fun of the FBI only shows to be of trying to get back at the people screaming for Abuban Justice to quicken up. The FBI is not allowed to do much other than support the Aruban Police. The 3 investigators from The Netherlands? 3 weeks into the investigation? Laughable at best. Way too late.
Yeah, I have been to Aruba, most likely more time than most of you are in age. It’s no more special than many other places I have been, but is a good vacation spot, better than other places. I have friends there that I knew before I ever visited due to business and non-business ventures. Most tourists have no clue about many spots they don’t get to see, many very nice.
Those on Aruba, slow down and don’t agitate so much, US citizens, try to slow down also…..there will be an answer, someday….maybe
THIS MESSAGE IS FOR ALL ARUBIANS and to whom it may concern
Please, do not lower yourselves to narrowminded persons by cursing and using all these bad words to try to make your point! Aruba will always be Aruba. A beautiful happy island that is and will always be well visited. This tragedy will not change this fact. And to thw world I would like to point out that we are shocked and sad. This is so not Aruba. Believe me we want this case to be solved and justice done. But the fact is, although Aruba is a very safe island, everyone should be careful not to trust strangers and play it safe. Either at home or on vacation. Nathaly made a really bad choice to trust these guys. These guys should not have betrayed her trust. She did not deserve this! But it did happened especially when alcohol or drugs is involved. SO THIS IS A WAKE UP CALL FOR LOCALS AND TOURISTS, BE SAVE AND MAKE SMART CHOICES AND DO NOT PUT YOURSELVES IN DANGEROUS POSITIONS!! Our hearts go out to her family. But the fact is Aruba is not at fault. So it is absurd to blame and wanted to boycot Aruba! Bad things can happen everywhere! Yes, we do have a different legal system than the USA but it works. It works for us. It works for The Netherlands and for the European Union. If in the USA, a few narrowminded individuals can not understand that the american laws are for the USA and not for the entire world, they have a big problem. We should let them be. And not constantly reacting badly by cursing and swearing. Arubians are not like that. The truth will come out of this when our legal system has done its work and we will be informed about all the facts regarding this tragedy. So all PROUD ARUBIANS do not lower yourselves to the levels of these narrowminded people on different websites. Remember that they do not represent all Americans and all tourists from all over the world. Because it is only a few. So do not offend and curse everybody because words can be very hurtful and I know that we as arubians are better than that. Remember that we are kind and friendly people by nature. It is not a face or a show that we as arubians put on to attract as many tourist as we can. WE JUST ARE AT ALL TIMES AND WITH EVERYBODY ON THIS PLANET. We are known by this so please stay focused.
A proud arubian.
Julie Julie Julie, get a clue. The evidence points out she made no such bad choice. Date rape drugs do this. Quit trying to lower her side in this. Really poor choice as far as trying to say Aruba is such a paradise.
You need to get real and find the evidence before you can make such a statement.
If Arubans are better than that, why out of the 4,000 people let off that afternoon to go search for Natalee, did less than 800 show up? We see how concerned they were and how dedicated they were when 3200 didn’t show up. You say proud Arubans, yet those Arubans failed to comply with the “afternoon off” they got to help out. Is this typical of Aruba?
Btw, another murder happened just a few days ago. Yes, the USA has many more, but the USA doesn’t promote itself as an Island Paradise either. Any unnatural death is too many, so we do agree here.
One last thing. Being a kind and friendly people fits the drug trade on Aruba also. Those people are also kind and friendly in their trade.
Don’t try to be more proud than anyone else or any other country is. Everyone is proud to be who they are.
You’re correct about people need to slow down and quit making senseless and uneducated juvenile statements and accusations.
go julie!!!!!!!!100% with you.
to manytime……many girls disappear here in us. when they make the same choices. come to nyc or detroit or la and try that.on the 800 who helped thank them first .we all know how many of us would go if some aruban chick disappeared here.after a party. be real.arubans are right to speak up about unfounded accusations and boycotts and the like. on sept 12 2001 some nj employer did the same for the sept wtc renovation project and nobody went to help.please dont blame blindly.were all great and imperfect. aruba is one of the best were one of the worst. but we will learn…..
to all the readers out there saying the parents were wrong for letting there kids go to another country, i would hate to be your child i feel that in deed natilie should have been able to go considering the achivements she made in here 12 yrs of school. i also feel that somebody should have been with here and not let here leave with total strangers just hour(s) before her return flight, i feel that she is out there some where they just need to make those boys talk and not worry who there daddy is. just goes to show it is the same there as here, if you got $$$ you can do anything!! (i.e. michael jackson, oj simpson etc….) hope i don’t make to many people mad but this is a free country and this is my opinon
nobody got away yet….no crime yet…..
We Aruban know that the Dutch system isn’t like yours from what we see on TV or from TV programs, what we know is that if someone commit a crime they arrest the suspect, the police make the investigation, after sometime they will charge it , if they have enough evidence or prove they sent the suspect to jail but because we are a small community it’s better not to have the details in the press, because evidence can leak, so the details, the public will know them when the case appears in court. Maybe how the media had made this incident “headline news” only makes it more difficult to solve it. We are sure that most teenager everywhere in the world when they are not in the present of their parent act very different as when their parent are with them, they feel free. But what really hurts us that some of us toke 1/2 day of our job without pay, not all the people searching, work for the government, to help search for NH. And know we have to hear all the comments that the news reporter, talk shows and sites are telling about Aruba. This incident could had happen everywhere in the world and we know that before and after this incident, cases like this or more tragic happen to US tourist but it’s only Aruba they are trying to boycotting. Of course we have crimes drug dealing, raping, incest, robbery we even had a bank robbery with one dead, kidnapping we had one of a wealthy boy his dad was Italian some 5 year ago. We have a lot of passion crimes. But never a tourist went missing on the island. Maybe we are wrong but these “high profile” boys how they are calling them, how it possible that a 17 year old boys can stand being detained in a small cell without his usual comfort and with 11 hours interrogation a day with the FBI helping the authorities, he must be damned clever. We read a lot of things about Aruba on different sites but none of these people even visit Aruba, our north coast is like a desert but we don’t feed sharks to keep them from attacking tourist, because at the north coast is where to locals boys go to do “body boarding” of course in the sea there must be sharks and sometimes fishermen catch them too but they are not the size of Jaws. Some suggest we don’t have landfill and they kill NH and sent her body abroad. Of course we have our own landfill how they can suggest that we sent our trash to a country that isn’t related to us and for their information we search the landfill too. They are telling that this can be an isolated case that they want to see our crime record because we have a huge jail. We sure the authorities will glad the sent everyone who ask a crime statistic of the island and maybe they can ask for information of the jail to see what is the nationality of all those in there, you will be surprise!! They suggest that the island is full with poverty, like every country we have poor people but if we are full with poverty it’s very difficult to understand why we have so many illegal risking their lives in a small boat some even swim to reach the shore to live in poverty. Maybe the authorities don’t have experience in these kind of cases because we never had one before, but with the cooperation of the FBI it’s still a mystery maybe they made the mistake of investigating from inside to outside and not outside to inside, it was the weekend of Soul Music Festival we were full of tourist, all the guard of Festival worn black suit, that Monday every body leaves the island they even let all the student and chaperone go, the local authorities never spoke to them, they make their investigation from information and tip they received from locals, a local radio station received a tip that on the plane coming to Aruba one guy was bothering one of the chaperones and NH. Why nobody questions why some student are telling that at the bar only one chaperone went with them and maybe they can find out if NH has a dairy if she knows Jv/dS from the net of something like that. They reporting of Drug baron , money laundering if all this is true then the FOL that is working isn’t working properly and they must know if you want to put money in a bank how many papers you have the fill all of that because of the MOT law to prevent money laundering. The media didn’t focus on that they go searching for drug addict or prostitutes to interviewing them because they think it’s a case of white slavery, we never heard of that hear now we are searching information about that, because here the demand is for Latin Girls and they comes freely and they goes freely they even married locals and stay here. And for what they are trying to boycott Aruba, we will suffer some will lose their jobs, but we will not suffer alone because the planes bringing tourist are from the US the Hotel owner and manager are from the US and  ½ of the main street stores are owned by US citizen. And for the comment that the Aruban people can’t be so friendly because the Dutch Government is trying to restrict our entrance to the Netherlands, now you can see it’s must be true from what our previous statement that when we sent our children to study abroad or when they are alone sometimes they don’t behave like you teach them. And the irony of this is that in this case it’s a Dutch boy causing all these troubles!! But we sure if they are the ones responsible for what ever happen to NH they will be punished for sure no matter who they are. And of course we know that the majority of the US citizen don’t think like this and when they solved this case we won’t have any hard feelings and we will be free to show you the real Aruba and it’s people and for the ones of you who insulted a whole island who hosted you companies and people for more than 60 years we only have to say: Los perros landran y la caravana pasa !
amy kappel is one hot babe!!
Maybe I finally found the right thread. Jeez there were like 20 pages of posts from June 11 alone!
Does anyone know how I could get an actual letter of support to the family? Is there a mailbox or website that anyone knows of? The nataleeholloway.com website is only a flyer; no contact information other than FBI and emergency services. My thoughts and prayers are with Natalee and her family bigtime, but I would really like to be able to send them a real letter of support.
To the people of Aruba: I’m sure most of you, like most Americans, are good people that hate what happened to Natalee and wish her and the Holloways the best. But understand this: the crime will not affect your tourism as much as a failure to see justice served will. There have already been calls to boycott Aruba in the U.S., and I know it is not fair to you all. But…the consequences of your investigators not getting charges AND a conviction from this eventually may very well hurt your economy more than the actual crime.
Sorry to spam the already spammed-over site, but I’ve already heard people say things like, “Well, if the Arubans can’t gaurantee my safety and aren’t concerned with justice, why should I go there?” At the risk of sounding like the stereotypical arrogant, pushy American that most of the world seems to see Americans as nowadays, the best thing you Arubans can do is pressure your investigators as well. if there is a large public outcry from you, the citizens, I think more will be done quicker to solve this than the media hype or FBI involvement could do.
I have no idea why I have been so involved in this case from the begining, every morning when I come to the office I check my emails and then the next thing I do is go on the news web to see if there are any recent updates on Natalee.
As I was readin what everyone had to say, I realized that you all are sitting here argueing some in favor or Natalee and her family some trying to justify their homeland Aruba…. but are we missing the point here……….. its too late to ask why what how what if , could she could she not……. yes I bet you her family has asked these questions a billion times over WHAT IF WE DIDNT SEND HER, WHAT IF SHE WASNT PRETTY, WHAT IF SHE DIDNT GO TO THE CLUB………… but you know what all of this doesnt matter becuase we willl never know…. some of us say what was she doing in a club not to mention the fact that in Aruba you can be 18 to party 18 to drink….. we ask what was she doing in Aruba…. she was taking a freakin vacation…………look girls dont ask to be raped and guys dont ask to do them…… yes I agree just bc things happen doesnt mean you should indanger yourseld and put urself in a dangerous situation but we are all human and we all do things sometimes smart sometimes stupid……but the most important thing right now is not us argueing about what she could have done or what Aruba can do or fight with eachother about one anothers country, laws and legal system….. but think about the poooooor mother who just wants to know what happened to her daugther…. yes it will be a tragedy if she is found dead but atleast find her sooo everyone can have some closure….. not knowing what happened to her is the worst thing….. finding her dead is horrible but atleast her family can then mourn in peace…… and maybe even be able to sleep knowing that atleast they know what happened to her.
We already have so much hate and violence in this world …. dont add on to it by fighting amongst yourselves…. Aruba vs. Usa thats bullshit and you all know it … just because Aruba has different laws or different way of doing things doesnt make it a bad place….. I am not on anyones side here I just feel like this case is not about us fighting with eachother but we should all just do the one thgs that matters…
HOPE THAT NATALEE WILL SOON BE FOUND AND HER FAMILY BE AT EASE!
- Nataly
Does anyone have any of the latest news, going on in aruba?
Arubagirl maybe since your there you can give us alittle insite as to what is going on there what are your news channels reporting?
If you have any new information, please let us know.
Thanx
Does anyone have any of the latest news, going on in aruba?
Arubagirl maybe since your there you can give us alittle insite as to what is going on there what are your news channels reporting?
If you have any new information, please let us know.
Thanx