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Tom
It sounds like Aruba needs to go more to the All-Inclusive style of accomodation.
DR, Mexico, etc. realize they have a crime problem and the hotel chains provide better security and background checking for employees.
I think Aruba needs to realize that times have changed.
They have all-inclusives. Hotel bars don’t have the same fflair/appeal
Please Just Wondering: Americans have a Crime Problem, not Arubians. Ask the terroris you will see!
ORANJESTAD, Aruba – Two men charged in the disappearance of a U.S. teenager who went missing in Aruba more than a week ago were known to police for going around to hotels trying to pick up women and at least one had a previous brush with authorities, an official said Tuesday.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050607/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/aruba_missing_teen_19
I agree, Just Wondering. Gee…this article doesn’t really compliment their Local Authorities either.
Aruba needs an eye opener…Hope it’s not at Natalee’s cost!!
Yes, John. American’s have crime problems.
But we also do background checks..especially in law enforcment.
I went through a 6-month background check years ago, just to be a police officer. Once I passed, THEN came the physical test.
If the hotels hire criminals as security guards, then they are the liability…not just the security guards.
Just wait until you get yours….It’ll happen.
american hot hot girls and come to aruba to get wild
And what did the FBI do? They are like American Superman but in a week didn’t solve the case!
MOMinMO
Your comments to susan and othere are internationally rude as well as ignorant.
Most Arubans speak and understand Dutch, Papiamento, Spanish and English.
If yopu need commas, peiods, and proper sentences to live your life, go live
under a book and stay in MO.
Susan, on behalf of everyone I know who loves your island, I apologize for MOMinMO. I also hope the girl is a run away and is found safe.
MOM: Can you explain the appearance of the person back after 7 years vanished?
Jill says to Susan Says:
You have no morals. The reason for this Post, is to discuss Natalee’s disappearance & show respect for her family and friends. Obviously something you don’t have a clue about.
Let me guess: You’re a Madame, and quit school at age 10?
MOM: Sorry you have a Master Degree in Crime? Hahahahahaha, don’t be so idioot?
Friend of Mickey:
I take no insult to your comment. You are in the same class as Mickey, the drug dealer.
Go crawl back under your Cannibus, now.
MOM: Sorry you have a Master Degree in Crime? Hahahahahaha, don’t be so idioot!
John,
You are comparing a island with approximately 72,000 with a country with 296 million??? (That doesn’t even count the illegal aliens in the US)
Its pretty easy to lose yourself in the US.
The facts of the two stories are drastically different.
John Says:
June 7th, 2005 at 3:42 pm
MOM: Sorry you have a Master Degree in Crime? Hahahahahaha, don’t be so idioot?
I DON’T THINK YOU ARE IN A POSITION, JOHN…TO BE CALLING ME AN IDIOT.
YOU CAN’T EVEN SPELL THE WORD.
Sorry, I had to learned Spanish and Dutch too!
I think the parents are waiting to cash out a big sum of money from the Insurance Company……
I am impressed with the native Arubans, I know if we changed this forum to Spanish or Dutch, I would look much worse
montel williams smokes or eats pot every day.
And your kids probably will too, so try to grow up a little on the issue.
This is about a missing girl, isn’t it?
Early on I heard a resident of Aruba say that this was there September 11th.
It is a wake up call for Aruba.
Try these sites:
http://static.highbeam.com/c/caribbeanupdate/december012001/increaseincrimearubacrimeintouristareasinternation/
From another site…..
Forget Aruba..crime for SURE..break ins..close to South America.
Terrible traffic jams..and Americans GALORE..tacky tacky…
http://www.usa-reise-tipps.de/board/index.php?t=msg&goto=212896&rid=0#msg_212896
Tom: Go ahead & create this forum in Spanish! I’m game! Except I’d like YOU to be a part of it…so keep in in English, k??? Thanx!!
Friend of: If your message, “your kids probably will too”, is directed at me….wrong!
My ‘kids’ are 23 and 20. They are both in college, and both are very involved in the D.A.R.E. program: Drug Abuse Resistance Education.
Montel Williams is not my idol, nor my mentor…and what he does recreationally, is of no interest to me.
I realize you will continue to back everything for your druggie friend. It makes no difference to me.
MOMfromMO,
Police requirements are a bit tougher than security guard. If you can fill out the application, fit in the uniform and manage to make your shift and are happy making $8/hr you too can be a security guard. Haven’t you ever watched the security guards at your local mall drooling all over the 14 year old girls?
I too pray that Natalie is found and think that something smells very fishy with the arrests they’ve made. They seem to have alot more reason to have held the first 3 persons of interest, especially considering they’ve said the went to the beach with her and they dropped her off and yet there is nothing on the hotel security tapes. Makes it real easy for them to blame the security guards…. I think they are just convenient scapegoats too.
MOMfrom MO – I get it, let the rest roll – several times today when I have checked in I have seen some crazy comments!
It has been said over and over that no one is trying to blame the island – we’re all discussing how/what could have happened.
John hacimi un fabor Sera Smoel i laganan cu nan duda….mas bo pp mas kk nan ta cuminsa pp….pls….lew bo mai e discusion aki paso nan ta asina ignorante cu bo no por discuti cunan…ma pidi amy pa keda keto i awor mi ta pidibo pa keda keto. No tume na malo pero pls ban lew bo mai e discusion aki pa awor paso ta draai nos ta keda draai rond di e cuenta aki.
MOMinMO
I’m not backing my druggie friend. And you yourself have said you think he may be a convenient scapegoat.
You might be a little more relaxed and less judgemental if you took a hit,-it’s worth a try.
I appreciate your comments, ‘friend of friend’. And while sadly as it is that security guards aren’t more scrutinized BEFORE they’re hired, you are correct.
Here in (what may be considered PO-DUNK) Missouri, My ex-husband was a security guard at our local mall, and after 12 years of employment there, he was eventually promoted to Assistant Director of Security.
If business do not conduct background investigations (or at the very least reference checks), then it is a Liability to hire them as Security Guards. After all…what exactly would they be ‘securing’ or ‘guarding’?? And who would feel ‘secure’?
Thanx for your reply!
Gabriel Leo-
I’d like to understand it in english if you have time
friend of:
Any you might be a little more sensitive if you were ‘missing’
Jill, you were certainly right about those IQ tests a ways back!
Don’t let these know-nothings get you down. Just ignore.
I think there is some huge thing brewing here. Else, why would the FBI use the word “disturbing?”
Mrs. Red:
That would be liking blaming the US for 9/11.
The hijackers were the problem, not the people in the Twin Towers.
Unless you realize you have a problem you cannot fix it.
America has spent huge sums of money trying to improve their situation and figure out what went wrong.
Aruba needs to recognize they need change. Americans, and others, will be afraid to go to Aruba. They can no longer just bill themselves as a “HAPPY PLACE” after all of the international publicity. They better start thinking about a “SAFE PLACE”, or tourism will drift to closer and safer locations and the ARUBAN $22K average salary with it.
MOMinMO
I am as sensitive as they come lady.
I’ve been a massage therapist for 15 years.
If you won’t take a hit-get a massage, and lets all pray for the girl.
I’m leaving, so don’t bother to insult me again.
The forum on Trip Advisor is so much better than this one as it acutally pertains to information about the case and not people with nothing better to do trying to one-up each other with insults. Puh-lease!!!!
Smell ya lata…..
Kortnie:
You’re right about ignoring…Sounds better than ‘taking a hit, then praying’.
Sheez! No wonder tragedies like this happens! People are seriously screwed up!
Any word on the latest, Kort?
Silentpeach –
I’m with you there. I’m checking another site as everyone here seems only concerned with insulting each other and their respective countries.
I’m out.
And we have hit the Hilter moment when everyone leaves. Always happens. Someone send over the link to the tripadvisor site for others who are interested.
http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g1-o200-k164745-i9659-Off_topic_chatter.html
One last comment, then I need to work. This whole thing just “hit home” because of my own daughters – all “pretty, rich, white girls” and all of them, through us, taken to various tropical climes, where all of them, at one time or another, behaved wildly and irresponsibly the moment they got the chance, apparently in the mistaken belief that, because they were on vacation, the normal rules didn’t apply. I just shudder to think how easily their names could be up on this post instead of Natalee Holloway’s… I truly empathize with and ache for the family of this young woman.
To the people of Aruba: Nobody blames the Island or its people (except a few idiots with nothing better to do). The response of the Aruban people has been exemplary. When a couple of female German tourists, hiking out here, were abducted, raped and murdered, the state government didn’t give everyone a day off to help find them or their killers. Your country and your people are to be commended. Don’t cheapen that with suggestions that this is a hoax or an insurance ploy. or that Ms. Holloway is out there eating dinner and waving to the locals while her mother cries on TV. I’m afraid that this is a crime and that there will be no happy ending, much as people in both countries would like there to be.
The lesson here is that offered by “Former Law Enforcement Officer” – even in paradise, bad things can happen. You have to be responsible for yourself and, if you are in a group, for GOD’S SAKE, take some responsibility for each other! That is the thought which just tears at me. 123 of her classmates let her go off into the night with 3 virtual strangers and nobody did anything or said anything or, so far as I can tell, paid any attention. We really are our brother’s keeper. Take the role seriously, because it could be you or your friend, or your or your friend’s daughter or sister who ends up missing. Don’t send your kids off to foreign climes without some attempt to enlighten them to the dangers. Don’t go to a foreign land and suspend all the self-protective measures you’d adopt at home. Don’t, if you really are a “chaperone” treat the trip as a personal vacation – others are counting on you to watch out for their loved ones. This is the concatenation of a thousand errors and omissions, large and small, and the price of that may very likely be the death of a beautiful and, by all accounts, basically decent and accomplished young woman.
Let’s remind ourselves of our shared humanity, because it is only that which holds back the darkness. My heart goes out to the Holloways. I hope my worst fears remain unrealized.
Very enlightening. What an ending. Prayers for Natalee, her family, and what should have been….friends.
End the Post, please.
I haven’t heard anything new, Jill. But, I think some big news is in the breaking. I think this might be worse than anyone has thought.
Even though “Another Father” ‘s advice is very “Father Knows Besty,” girls and women WILL continue to suffer rape and murder at the hands of men on all parts of the globe. That is the unfortunate reality on this planet.
I fear the worst as well, Kortnie. A report said the ‘disturbing’ news was something the family is aware of….So…something BIG is known…just not yet released.
We’ll see, girlfriend…thanx!
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Another Father
Great comments. Just added it to … Natalee Holloway; What Some Arubans Are Saying: http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1059
Lets please remember no matter what way this story goes this is about a family, a missing girl and the unbelievable anguish they are suffering that none of us should ever experience.
I don’t know Spanish,
But this does not look good.
An Aruban newspaper……
http://www.pressdisplay.com/pressdisplay/viewer.aspx
Yes, Wondering, the newspaper headline says she’s dead.
That is not pure Spanish – that’s another language.
But “morto,” – that means “dead.” Plus, the photo with the ambulance.
i.e., she’s found.
I think I read the language in Aruba is Papiemento, I suppose a local dialect of Spanish/Portuguese.
Also, there’s police tape around this beachside area.
Yes, that’s it – Papiemento. I don’t know what ” “no por haya e curpa ainda” means, which comes after “Natalee Holloway is dead.”
Sadly, Yes it does. Not one news outlet has this story yet … go here, http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1062, for our story in process … This afternoon CNN reported that the search had ended yet no further info was given and they have pulled the headline off their web page.
The picture you saw with the ambulance is alocal boy who ws swimming at Conchi, he had a epileptic attack in the water and drowned. It’s a boy 16 years old. Not Natalee.
HOWEVER
natalee ta morto pero na a haja e curpa ainda=
natalee is dead but the body has not bean found
God Bless
Junit-Ia
Why does the article say she is dead but the body not found?
I dunno, they may have gotten some information out of the two security guards and that is why tomorrow they expected to be formally accused of homicide, being accomplices to homicide, and of kidnapping leading to homicide. That is all I know.
Yes, why?
The men charged have confessed?
I do not know. My assumption if they are coming out saying she is dead is that the authorities have to have some strong confession or evidence, without a body.
To MOM and Kortnie: I’m just wondering if y’all know Natalee? From the things you are saying it seems like you do. But if I’m wrong and you don’t know her, how are so certain that she’s not the promiscuous type? Just because you were raped doesn’t mean she was! And if you think you’re going to start insulting me like you have the others, well, don’t bother. I won’t be coming back to this site.
Rachel
You are welcome to state your opinion and visit as you pleasure. The reason why most say she wasn’t is because that is what her friends and other he knew her have said in reported news stories. I would like to think that one gives some one the benefit of the doubt and does not just assume someone is promiscuous. I would like to think that we have come a longer way than that.
This isn’t about insults and about any of the commenter, ITS ABOUT NATALEE HOLLOWAY. Let’s keep that in mind can we? ITS ABOUT A MISSING GIRL AND HER FAMILY!!!
Good response to Rachel, Red.
But Natalee is known to be dead, now. The newspaper states, “Natalee is dead but her body hasn’t been found.” Sorry, Rachel, but Natalee was gang-raped and murdered.
I don’t have to personally “know” her to have arrived at that conclusion days ago.
I did not have to personally “know” Laci Peterson to conclude that Scott was her killer.
Are you catching my drift?
reading the comments that have been posted some true, some not true at all who to believe and who to not.
Today on the island the local media is looking into a story that seems to be true but is not yet confirmed. It seems that Natalee in the past has disappeared in Costa Rica and in the states but returned after a while to her family. This happened when she was 15 years old. True or false?…Not sure. But the Local media wil bring more details on the story tomorrow. Be pending!
btw the costa rica thing is when she and her family were on vacation….(just making things straight before someone says I’m talking nonsense)
Thanks Islander.
With the language difference and our eagerness, Red and I jumped the gun on the local story. We are all on pins and needles, and it is a tough thing to sit by and watch.
Thanks for the information and keeping it in perspective, and thanks to all the readers who are helping us follow this story.
Wake up call? Women go missing in America every single day. Women go missing in every country, every day. This is one incident. Some people are making it sound like women disappear in Aruba on a regular basis. America has a crime problem. Worry about that.
All inclusives are TERRIBLE for the people. It takes away business from the local shopkeepers and families. If people don’t want to mix among the people they shouldn’t go to the islands. Stay home.
Gee Black Ambition
I live in a town that has 72,000 people in it like Aruba and people do not go missing every day.
Let’s get some perspective here; 72,000 vs 292 million. Aruba has the population of a town or small city. We do not have the crime rate that Aruba has. Lets just take a chill and compare apples with apples.
I think people have the option of going where ever they want and feel most comfortable. Its their vacation and still a free country.
People
the security gards arent charged but acused of these charges
our legal sistem is a lot diffrent then yours then can be accused of something and because of this be held for 8 days in jail without being charged
the guards say they don’t know her only from the news and media
they are very worried because people think they’ve done something really wrong witch they didn’t
as for comparing the island to the US it’s true it’s a little is island with 100.000 population and about 50.000 of turism
But see the fact US likes to say everything and be in power ask the terorist why they keep hitting US, because they don’t mind their own business
My thoughts and prayers go out to the Halloway family.
Whatever happened to Natalee should not be blamed on her or her family. The only blame should be put toward the person or persons who harmed her. Natalee may have used very poor judgement (we all do at times), but she did not deserve to die for it. Of course, if that is what has happened to her.
As for her family, Natalee is an 18 year old honor student. Why wouldnt they trust her to use good judgement and go to a beautiful Island like Aruba. She is 18, its not like she was under the legal age of 18-she didnt even need her parents permission to go.
Arubians should pitch in and help find her. This could happen anywhere-it happens here in Florida on a weekly basis these days. It doesnt stop the tourism-trust me, I drive in the traffic everyday.
Put your thoughts and prayers out there for this family in need. I read so many negative comments. Its sad. Whatever the circumstances-this poor girl is missing and most likely has been put in harms way. She needs all the support possible. One way or another, she needs to be found.
I hope they find her soon!
My theory is that the three young men (one being Joran van der Sloot, the protetced son of the judge) took a drunk, and perhaps drugged Natalee to the beach and took advantage of her disabled state to have sex with her. Whether she vomited and asperated it and suffocated in her own vomit or died from a drug reaction, I do not know, but I think that these young men then disposed of the body to cover what they had done. I doubt seriously that they intended to kill her, but did intend exploit her.
They were not picked up on security cameras because they were not there. I have seen reports that they admitted to having sex with her, but dropped her off at the side of the Holliday Inn , and claimed that they last saw her talking to two security guards (in uniforms that did not match Holliday Inn uniforms). Coincidentally there were some security guards on the Holliday Inn tape and somehow police concluded that the two Jamicans they arrested were the culprits. I bet they are both innocent and just fall guys, either accidental or intentional. One seems to have an airtight story as to his whereabouts elsewhere that evening.
Interesting that the two Jamicans were detained on suspicion, but the three connected youths were allowed to remain undetained. Meanwhile, conveniently, their vehicle has not been searched for evidence (bet it has been thoroughly since cleaned). Ultimately, they will go free, because there is a coverup. The Jamicans may or may not go free. The body is probably in the ocean and will likely never be recovered.
Here is one of the kids who looks like an otherwise nice kid, but notice that he is interested in “physical/fling”.
http://connect.tickle.com/photo/index.html?id=H82zCsgcbjZmxRhH
What do you think?
This story continues to eat at and haunt me, having touched a personal nerve, so the latest news, as of 6:32 PM EST, 6/7/05, is that: (1) The 3 young men with whom Ms. Holloway got in the car were supposedly known to her from earlier association; (2) She was seen, at her hotel around 2:00 AM (about when they claim to have dropped her off); (3) The two security guards from the “Allegro” hotel are being held, expressly, on suspicion of (a) capital kidnapping; and (b) murder; however, (4) The family of Ms. Holloway has NOT been advised that she is dead or even suspected to be dead. Something does not add up. Regrettably, the Aruban paper cited earlier apparently chose to juxtapose the death scene pictures from the death of a young Aruban boy who accidentally drowned alongside the text declaration that Ms. Holloway was “dead but her body is still missing”. That seems a cruel ploy to sell newspapers, which mocks not only the Holloways’ grief but also the grief of the family of the young drowning victim. Shameful. It’s nice, at least, to know that Arubans and Americans have something in common, even if it’s just irresponsible media.
She is definitely dead. The lawyer for the 2 security guards has said his clients will be charged with kidnapping and homicide tomorrow. Of course, rape also needs to be included.
I think the parents should be blamed for sending their daughter to Aruba to party. What were they thinking! Sadly, how can an 18 year old make such dumb choices?
If you are telling me that the parents didn’t know they had a naive daughter — oh my.
Deputy
Natalee has got to be one of the dumbest people on the planet!
Samuel
I feel bad for Natalee but I also wonder what was she doing boozing it up and hanging with men she did not know.
Steve R.
let’s all hope for the best but what about the story in costa rica when she was 15?
i heard the same thing baout st.maarten? maybe she is still alive, i hope she is not that bad…
Kortnie we don’t now jet of she dead. We have to wait till tomorrow.
apparantly she is an “angel” as her family and friends say….. but locals here say different seeing her at carlos ‘n charlies going wild…
As a woman, my impession of Natalee has sank as more and more facts come to light. She seems like a woman with little if any morals.
Mary
betje i think that’s the best
let’s not pull any conclusions yet, because we’re all just guessing……I don’t know and nobody knows…..only Natalee knows and the people involved….
let’s wait and see what happens
suave
and how weird? none of her friends dropped atear, as if they no something…. why would you let your friend get into a car with three guys?
hey i am actually a friend of natalee’s. she is not a big partier. she was active in every honors club at mtn brook and on the dance team. yes, i know you can be part of all that and still be wild, but natalee isnt. talking with friends that went on the trip with her said that the three guys arrested had been hanging out with them all week. where we are from (mtn brook) there is no crime and nothing bad ever happens. we have grown up in a sheltered environment and yes it is bad but we trust everyone. i can easily see how she could have left the club with the guys. and the other two guys offered some of the others drugs.
People you act like you have never had a drink in your life or done anything out of the norm. You all act as if you have never been drunk. Does anyone here commenting have an idea what kids are doing today? Have none ever been to a club?
Drinking and hanging out with people she doesn’t know???
Wouldn’t that be her Freshman year in college as well?
No one knows what happened, but to blame the victim is ridiculous. If you are to believe that she is dead, that many do then some one had to do it, right? The “alleged” person or persons either were at Charlies or met up with her later. So the girl is to blame for meeting evil? Come on folks there is evil next to you in the store, on the subway, in the car next to you on the commute to work and you don’t even know it.
So you are telling me that if one drinks & parties in Aruba, that is a license to die??? That is ridiculous. Does anyone think that if Natalee was at this club and dancing with people she just met that it does not go on every night there? I guess we call all the other girls in this bar lucky.
Calling some one stupid really serves no purpose. Everyone of us have walked a fine line at one point in our lives between safe & danger. Many did not even realize it when it happened. No one is without foolish behavior or lack of judgment at one point. That shouldn’t mean the penalty what many believe to be true.
Please start blaming the evil and not the victim. Secondly, no one knows what happened. Maybe we will get more insight tomorrow when the suspects are charged.
Natalee IS a very good girl. Her mother taught my son this last year and thanks to her intensive and special attention, he is slowly but surely being returned to our family from the grips of autism. Natalee, through the influence and connections via her mother, also was special to many of our families with children on the autistic spectrum. This kind of work alone commands a loving, kind, trusting and optomistic attitude. Aside from her academic performance, her selfless help in these instances should attest to her moral fabric.
Her mother wants her daughter back, not any reward money. She had even told me before the trip that she had been worried about it; especially nervous even though she trusted her daughter completely. Just a “bad vibe” about the whole thing.
Her classmates have suspected that she may have been drugged that night at the restaurant. They said that her behavior seemed radically different in the brief time that they were there. I only pray that somehow some closure is found for her family. Her mother has worked diligently with my son and because of that, in a manner of speaking, she has helped to return Will to us. I only hope that somehow, someone could help return Natalee to her parents.
Is there any possibility that she could have been kidnapped, “sold” and smugled out of the country? Is there any black-market undercurrent there that we are unaware of?
All of you who “know Natalee” — please, and this may sound harsh, pull your head out of the sand. This girl did not act like a little lady. Oh contrar — she acted like a cheap date. I do not mean to be mean, but this is true. She probably injested so much booze, she didn’t know if she was coming or going.
Hey. who is going to tell me that the locals made her drink?
Hey, who is going to tell me that she was made to see these men?
Hey, who is going to tell me that she acted in a way you would hope your daughter would act?
This girl sadly has probably paid the highest price for her bad behavior.
Can some one tell me how she rates to get the FBI to come to Aruba?
Bill
Oh yes, and where were her friends that evening???? So tanked up themselves they didn’t recognize the trouble one of their own was getting in to?
Bill
I would hate to be Natalee’s parents; bet they are kicking themselves in the rear over this. And I would hate to be her classmates. Don’t kids today know how to take care of their own? I think Natalee went wild as soon as she got out of sight from Mom & Dad. She is almost as goofy as the Run-Away Bride.
Wayne
Bill Banks,
How would you know? Were you there?
Hope you never have daughters that you would need to be concerned about. At least the people making the comments actually know the girl. Was she perfect, no.
But to make an insinuation when you do not know is wrong. Wait for the facts before you condemn someone. There is a concept.
I would bet that she is dead and sexually abused. How sad for the “joy” of a few drinks. Go online and check out the drink this Carlos ‘n Charlie’s offers — 28 ounce mega-drinks.
Read what Frommer’s has to say about this place:
Party-bus tours bring lots of fun-loving vacationers to this chain establishment for retro music, Mexican food, and drinks. Twenty-somethings can be seen drinking frozen margaritas to excess just about every night of the week.
This young woman was out of control and looking for love in all the wrong places!
Steve Fred
Red, what is in it for you to take that position? Why are you being naive? This girl was like a 2 year old in a candy store. Sadly, her candy was booze and local men who apparently had their way with her.
Bill
WAKE UP everyone. Read the writing on the wall. This poor girl was taken advantage of after drinking herself silly.
Wakey Wakey
Rohypnol overdose alone is unlikely to be fatal but when mixed with alcohol, as is common, death is more likely.
The police should be investigating to see if the three young men might have purchased this date rape drug. Surely some of the employees at the Charlies bar whould have some knowledge.
If Natalee was acting wild that night if might have been the effect of a drug slipped into her drink.
Does anyone know if she ordinarily drank alcohol? Was she acting wild all week or just this last night before her death?
Bill
What’s in it for me? Nothing. Drinking should have to possibly cost one their life should it? Or is that the way it is at Carlos and Charlie’s?
I have been sent more email on this place and many by Arubans that have nothing good to say about it. Are you going to tell me that Natalee may have been the first girl ever to get drunk there? Not from the looks of their advertising.
If it is such a predatory place then I guess America and the world just learned a valuable lesson. One that many Arubans have expressed in that it has given their island bad publicity.
I am still trying to figure out how you blame the victim and not the people who will be “allegedly” charged tomorrow? That’s a nice world you live in, blame the victim … OK then.
I am still trying to figure out why there would have to be something in it for me? Oh-righty-then on that one too.
It is still so hard to fathom the lack of common sense. Everyone is saying that Natalee is a straight A student, and a good kid. All of that goes right out the window when street smarts and common sense are lacking. What a tragedy!!!
I just hate to think this, but if Natalee were a guy and had gotten a ride home with a few new buddies at the end of a vacation, would anyone be trashing his behavior? If that guy was taken to the beach and robbed then murdered, would anyone say he was taking risks? No. People would be saying “that poor dude. He really got taken advantage of”. When you are 18, everyone you meet is a friend that happens to be reasonably normal and in the same age group. As it is, perhaps the 3 she left with did nothing except hang out with her on her last night of vacation and return her to her hotel. Then men dressed in security uniforms (people we think we can trust to not bring harm to us) possibly brought harm to her. Granted, it makes me sad to think she got into the car with new friends who were guys, but who hasn’t taken a ride home when partying a little too much? I don’t usually think of evil when I’ve met high school boys or security guards for that matter.
To: A Friend of the Family,
Well said. I also live in Mountain Brook and Natalee just does not seem like the kind of girl that fits the criticisms leveled in many of these posts. So many people move to this community because of the school system and they can only hope that their kids make straight A’s and get a full scholarship to college like Natalee did. We have our screw ups here, just like everywhere else, but Natalee is not one of them. That is one reason this is hitting our community so hard. I hope your son continues to improve and that Natalee returns home safely.
How dare anyone comment on this girl and her actions? No one knows for sure what has happened to her or what she may or may not have done,and yet everyone wants to tarnish her name and her reputation. Give her and her family the respect they deserve. If you were not a first- hand witness, then let her be.
You guys have an unending boat load of sympathy for Natalee. It is truly amazing. You all defend her as if she was your own. What about this poor man? Check the links.
Is Natalee’s Dad trying to get the FBI to help this poor man? Now, this is a tragedy. In my opinion, more-so than a druken 18 year old.
It is amazing that no one is talking about the Whistle-Blower who was beaten!
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/US/06/07/whistleblower.beaten.ap/
http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/index.php?feed=Science&article=UPI-1-20050607-13413900-bc-us-whistleblower.xml
Whistle Blower Beaten
How many of you even care that the Whistle Blowe was beaten? Are any of you offering to help this man? Maybe send some yellow ribbons?
Know
Whistle-Blower at Los Alamos Attacked in Parking Lot in N.M.
By Bradley Graham and Griff Witte
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, June 7, 2005; Page A04
An employee at the Los Alamos National Laboratory who has alleged fraud at the facility was badly beaten in the parking lot of a Santa Fe bar over the weekend in what his wife and lawyer yesterday said was an attempt to silence him.
The employee, Tommy Hook, had been scheduled to testify before a House committee, elaborating on internal audits that pointed to procurement fraud and financial waste at the lab, which conducts classified work on nuclear weapons, among other research.
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At a news conference yesterday, Hook’s wife, Susan, said Hook had gone to the Santa Fe bar Cheeks late Saturday evening to meet an individual who claimed to have corroborating information about fraud at Los Alamos. But that person never appeared. When Hook got into his car around midnight to leave, several assailants pulled him out, then kicked and punched him.
“If you know what’s good for you, you’ll keep your mouth shut,” Susan Hook quoted the assailants as telling her husband.
A bouncer at Cheeks, Santa Fe’s only topless bar, stopped the attackers, who then fled in cars. Hook’s lawyer, Robert Rothstein, said the bouncer did not know the names of the assailants but has provided descriptions of the men and some license plate numbers.
FBI agents have joined the Santa Fe police in investigating the case, according to Bill Elwell, special agent in the FBI’s Albuquerque office. Elwell said the FBI got involved after learning that Hook had been due to testify before the House Energy and Commerce Committee.
“We’re trying to determine if there have been any federal statutes violated here,” Elwell said.
Hook was hospitalized with a fractured jaw and herniated disk. His wife, who was in Albuquerque at the time of the reported assault, said he had difficulty talking and could only mumble.
Hook had worked as a senior adviser for audits when he and a colleague, Chuck Montano, produced several reports between 2002 and 2004 that cited a pattern of financial irregularities in the lab’s procurement division. They have since said their reports were quashed and they were given negative job appraisals, denied promotion, kept idle and otherwise pressured to quit.
In March, they sued the University of California, which operates the lab under contract with the Energy Department, alleging retaliation for their criticisms of management. The two whistle-blowers appeared in a report on the “CBS Evening News” that month, saying problems with the lab’s purchasing were “worse than what management was telling the public.”
Their case is the latest in a series of management problems that have plagued the lab since the 1990s and involved reports of many missing items.
Susan Hook said yesterday that her husband did not normally go to bars. She said he had been in bed Saturday evening when he received the phone call to go to Cheeks, and left the house after 10:30 p.m.
She said the fact that the assailants did not bother to steal her husband’s money, wristwatch or car was evidence the assault was intended as a threat. “It is clear to us this was a message,” she said. But she added that her husband “will not be stopped” and “will continue to tell the truth.”
Montano, who also was present at yesterday’s news conference, voiced similar determination to meet with congressional investigators and continue to publicize complaints about the lab.
“I will never be intimidated,” he said.
I agree with “Know” — this is a real tragedy. But most don’t care because this kind soul isn’t 18 and blonde.
Am I not correct?????
Henry
I, also, am from Mountain Brook and i can also confirm that Natalee truely is an intelligent and aware girl. I can also confirm that although Mountain Brook is an EXTREMELY sheltered community, we have most definitely already had our share of tragedy. This year, at our high-school, we had three students die. One in a car accident, one accidental suicide, and one suicide. The student body and entire community has already gone through so much grief this year that it makes it that much harder to go through this situation with Natalee. This community has so much faith and hope that Natalee will be safely brought home to her sheltered, southern town. All i can ask of the rest of the country is that although Natalee probably did make some individual poor choices, please continure to pray for her safe return instead of bringing up all the flaws in this situation.
Henry Heart–
I have read about Hook’s beating.
This is more than a tragedy, though it certainly is that.
It’s an OUTRAGE. And it’s all, apparently, going on within our own goverment. Those men would have killed him if that bouncer had’nt come out into the parking lot.
Mr. Banks and many others-
Although it may be and probably is true that there was drinking involved with Natalee’s dissappearance this does not make the situation any less tragic or pertinent. The fact is there are plenty of adult women who go home with men after dates and engage in activities. Now why I am certainly not condoning that behavior, many of these women do not end up missing. While there was most likely some very bad decision making involved with the dissappearance the fact is being naive and unlucky does not make someone any less worthy of the praise that they are getting for past accomplishments. No one is perfect including you, me, or Natalee and is innappropriate, disrespectful, self righteous, and arrogant to criticize a person in a situation that is not looking very promising. I’m sure there is someone you know that could potentially make an awful life altering decision. So please think about that before posting your opinions on the situation.
BTW- One reason this story has gotten so much attention is because it hits home with so much of the audience to FOX news, CNN, and etc. While there are other stories that are certainly just as tragic, it in no way diminishes this tragedy.
I have traveled though-out the Caribbean for some time now.
I must say I am all ways surprised be the amount of drinking
and sexual activity displayed by our young people. If there
were video of that nites events, I can assure you… One
would certainly receive an eye full. The norm is flashing,
thongs, one can already see.. (just more of then with each
drink), striping, groping. and just out and out grinding, that
is supposed to be some from of dancing….After a evening
of this activity and drinking, one needs little imagination to
what will happen next. It’s sort of that Vegas thing…. I
guess.
I’m also amazed by how the local men just took complete
control over the young white female tourist. I pointed this out
to my boyfriend on our last trip. It almost seemed like these
girls had absolutely no interest in white male’s at all. You would
see nicely dressed good looking white guy, go up to these girl’s and
just be totally ignored ….. later you would see these girls leave
the club with older and much less attractive black guy’s…..
As reported in the papers this girl got in the car with these
guy’s, drove off to some beach and had sex with all three of them.
Which wouldn’t really surprised me, given the behavior displayed
in these nightclub’s….
That’s where all the information seems to stop….
I Pray God to this Girl is found Alive……….
my heart goes out for Natalee & her parents, may God be by their side at such difficult times & give them the faith & strength,I pray for her safe return.
The only Reason why this has such an international attention is because the family seems to be powerful in the states, has contact with a US Senator and there for the media finds this such an important story. This is not something I’m just saying, it’s an information that the US reporters confirmed to the local media when they were asked about the importance of this story. There is or was a US person recently Kidnapped/ missing in Trinidad. Ever heard of that Story? No? How come? Is it because he is not an important person in the states?
I completely agree that she was never sane in her mind to get into a strange car, nor were the parents leaving their daughter of 18 years go with a big group of teens, nor were her friends when they allowed her to get into the car. You’re in a strange place you don’t do those things where ever you are! Safe place or no safe place it’s just plain common SENSE! Someone said that she lives in a VERY VERY SAFE Place and that Natalee is just used to beeing open and friendly with everyone and trusting everyone. I live here on the island and I am also used to thrusting people, I think most of the Arubians are, but I don’t go trusting people in other countries. You just don’t do that. The one who thinks it isn’t Common sense and normal, please prove me Wrong.
The people here are shocked of what happened and we all still agree that this is something that could have happen anywhere but because the Media is so into it, and giving out wrong news about the security guards, the acusations, the crime of the island etc etc., it keeps making the story, the island, the people look like big bad
do-ers. Most of us are kind of fed up.
The local media here has information that Natalee has done something like this in the past when she was on vacation in other places. When the local media asked the family if this is true they didn’t want to comment on it. The local media and finally some international media is starting to follow up on this story. The authorities here are not excluding nothing, because no one has pleaded guilty to any charges, and the suspects are being held on suspicion. They are ruling out kidnapping because no one has asked for a ransom.
Allot of locals say that they spotted her on the island in a white car. The people here are schocked but seeing what influence the family has in the states, US Senator, and the story that she has done certain things like these in the past (costa rica, st. Maarten) is making the locals think different about this teen who is said to be the PERFECt girl. Locals think that she is alive and just does not want to be found. People here find it impossible that se has not been found as yet unless she is hiding herself.
(The are starting to think so since the story of a teen who mas missing for 7 years in TExas was found came into the news these days).
But in all we must keep things straight: If there is a crime that happend here, The people responsable wil be held responsable.
But untill then. The Search Will continue. No one has stopped searching for Natalee (the international media said that we have stopped, which is not true). The media say that the two arrested are going to be charged with murder, which is also not true. The court appearance today is just to evaluate the case and to see if there is enough evidence to keep the two detanies in jail. If so than they will be held for 8 days until more evidence is found. Our court system here is a Dutch Court System. We don’t have jury’s who sentence people. One up to 9 judges, depending how serious the case is, evaluates the evidence and decides if the evidence is relevant and legal. Then the judge sees if the defendant has comitted an act which is condemed by the law. If there is no evidence they can’t be kept in custody and will be let go. Just like the first three persons who are not suspects but perons of interest.
The story of Natalee beeing the perfect princess is changing day by day because of the disturbing information about her acts of the past. NO ONE, and ESPECIALLY the Aruban Comunity is not saying that she or her family deserves the agony they are going thru, but we just want to know exactly who is Natalee and why has she not been found yet. We find it impossible that a living person cannot be found on our island unless she doesn’t want to be found OR if she is deceased, God forbid, that she has not bee found as yet.
Facts are: Natalee is still missing, the two detainies say they know nothing, the three teens from the beginning of the story say thet dropped her at her hotel, The search continues, the court appearance today is to see if there is enough evidence to keep them in custody for further inverstigation (THEY ARE NOT BEEING CHARGED WITH ANYTHING) here you see how the press just to get ratings change the story and makes it different.
Every day at 4 pm ET the gouvernment, local authorities will be giving press conference on the events concerning Natalee. Please feel free to listen to them so that you can see that the international media is not speaking the truth. They just blow up the story to make it sound interesting.
http://www.promoaruba.aw –> click on one of the screens, and you should automatically listen in. You must have realplayer or Windows mediaplayer in order to listen. The press conference is givin first in the local language, Papiamento, then in English for the International media. There are about 9 radio stations you can tune into. I recomend Top 95 fm and Canal 90 for the conference.
I ask each one of you to take 60 seconds to read the story about Tommy Hook, the Whistle Blower who got beat up. I then ask you to take another 60 seconds to do something about that story if even only to make others aware.
Tommy is older, he is not 18, doesn’t have blonde hair, looks brownish, and he is a married man, not single like Natalee. Give the out pouring of support to this family man like you are for Natalee. This man didn’t choose to go with some men; he was ambushed — beaten with shoes then fists.
This is a real tagedy. And how many of you even knew or cared?????
Henry
If a route being considered is homicide? What would be the motive- other than to possibly make sure victim never talked. If there is a lot of drunken sex going on, why commit murder? Especially with multiple perpetrators, who would not only have to worry about victim revealing their identities, but perpetrators themselves giving each other up. Doesn’t make sense. Seems like there may be some bad apples not providing all the facts- could even be those who have invested large amounts in developing the island (ex. hotels, etc.).
Some big details being left out. Why would Natalee decide to run away on such a small island. If she is indeed affluent, she could travel many other places, or just come back and look into investing in a property. Pray for her please.
Other theory I read in previous post makes some sense. That is, a non-intentional Rohypnol overdose- not sure of effects of this drug mixed with alcohol. But interesting theory.
Why is Kortnie (posts) so 100% fact-filled about status of situation. Pretty morbid and closed minded conclusion.
Tommy Hook story also disturbing, but much different history/situation. Why not start new thread and pray for his healing and justice to be carried out. No one deserves any of this type of violence.
If anyone goes to Aruba.com. Natalee story really not being emphasized- tourism first. Try an post anything negative- will be censored- only “good” Aruba news in forums. Thank you for this forum.
To everybody that feels offended by Mr. John’s remarks I apologize. He’s obviously not the smartest person on this thread as most of us can see. John, si bo ta lesando e cos aki, plz stop di pp coi loco anto mustra un tiki mas respect pa hende cu bo ni conoce.
do none of you have anything better to do with their time then just talk bad about aruba and thier ” crime”…..these things happen verywhere all the time…..ok, it is really sad, but why talk so much shit about aruba? it doesn’t only hurt the locals in aruba but all the visitors who have been visiting aruba for the last 20 – 25 years and consider it their home away from home……..it is a safe place
any news or update on natalee’s dissapearance in costa rica when she was there when 15??????? and did anybody else hear about that letter she wrote in her diaree one day before she went on “her trip”?
some song about: if i lieave and don’t come back, please don’t drop no tears….. what’s up with that?
i think none of us can really say anything
cuase none of us knows natalee…..
but you have to agree that she has been seen in aruba partying her cute l;ittle ass off, and ” angels” normally don’t do drugs right? every single mom thinks they have the perfect daughter, and ” my little girl would nbever do anything like it…..
how about now? they said that natalee would have never gotten in to a car with three guys …… how come they are not related to the 2 guys detained now? they did drop her off and the camera at the hyatt rgenecy captured her walking on the beach alone after she was dropped off at the holiday in
that’s why they made the link to allegro……
something fishy on this case…..
Why isn’t anyone talking about the fact that this has happened to Natalee before on another Island??? Yes, she vanished for a week while on vacation before. She ran away from home before. I hope she will be found alive, so they can lock her up. Silly people causing such a stir on this wonderful island. Good luck to all helping with the search, and oh yeah…. Don’t believe the press.
From our family in South Alabama to Natalees Family in Mountain Brook, our thoughts and prayers for her safe return are with you! I am a mother of 2 teens, and this mystery has all of us puzzled. I have been following this story from the beginning, online and on TV. There are so many “unanswered” questions. I hope, in the near future we will all know exactly what happened. It is so easy to sit and speculate, and to read into things that could have happened. We are all staying positive here and again, pray for her safe return.
Why? you need praying for too, there is no sense in making a comment like that!
why makes sence, ofcourse we’re all hoping for a good ending…..but if she’s still alive she better go lock up, cause she made a lot of people go stress out
what does why? need prayer for? just for using common sence….?
The amount of misogny (woman-hating) I have read on this thread overnight is shocking. Red, thank you for your intelligent and reasonable comments back to such misogynists as Deputy and Bill Banks. Disgusting how they blame the victim – it’s just a cover-up for their woman-hating.
W Brown – You are right, it IS “morbid” what happened to Natalee. She was kidnapped, gang-raped, and then murdered. I don’t think one can get much more “morbid” than that. You and others can continue to believe in your illusions, but I am a realist. In the end, you will see that I am, unfortunately, correct about what happened to poor Natalee. And, she is NOT to blame – THE MEN WHO KILLED HER ARE. Hello? Anyone with two neurons firing on this thread besides Red?
Gabriel Leo
I think we are thinking the same here……
Reading the posts from the various Arubans, I would say that Arubans:
a.) Want to blame the victim.
b.) Have an extreme dislike of Americans.
c.) Need to realize that their $22K per capita annual income is in severe jeopardy if they don’t get over a and b. There are a lot of other places in the Caribbean that Americans can spend their $$$ if this is the Aruban attitude.
Yes, that would be me Kortnie, how are you so sure that that’s what happened. How can you make those conlcusions if you were not there? Or know the island. I’m not saying it is impossible, but how about looking into Natalee’s past? As Gabriel Leo mentioned she did go missing before on vacation and run away from home before….. No one can make any conclusions neither can you…..cause nobody knows….
You can THINK that that’s what happened, but be REALISTIC and look into natalee’s past as well and maybe she is not a prefect daughter as they say….Don’t see this as a “woman hate” whatever, because ofcourse we all want her to come back safe…..Knowing Aruba I find a hard to belive that searching someone for more then a week, and nothing can be found…. Knowing Aruba, cause of all the people who love to talk about eachother……if you fart at the lighthouse, they know in San Nicolas ten minutes later…. I find it hard to believe that someone just kills an innocent girl and gets rid of her as in a prefect crime…..a dead body would have been found if it would be here….
All of you arrogant and cruel male misogynists on this thread need to read the comment left by Aruban local Leila on the other Natalee thread.
Your cruel and idiotic “blaming the victim” is shameful. Again, please re-locate from the U.S. to Afghanistan where you will fit right in with the Taliban.
How can we have great dislike of Americans if that’s how I buy my bread? I deal with them every day but think this whole thing is being blown out of proportion, maybe because when you have money you get FBI help and when you don’t……you just get lost in Trinidad for example, and no one will ever know about it…..
Aruba doesn’t blame Natalee, we are just looking at more possibilities than just crime….
mona, IMO, “Gabriel Leo” knows jack. All of this “she ran away before” is unsubstantiated rumor. GL just wants to protect his sacred island.
Also, GL, could you be less long-winded in your next post? Thanks. I and others don’t feel like reading a dissertation from someone who knows jack. Thanks.
Hey, Just Wondering, some great comments there! Intelligent, reasonable, valid.
Kortnie, why don’t you just speak for yourself? Prove wrong that Natalee never ran away before and then speak…..
Kortnie I read somewhere in one of these comments that you said you were raped.
I have been noticing that everything/actions including men for you means rape.
Please stop generalizing and making us feel pitty for you. I’m sorry for what happend to you in the past and I’m sure that you were a real victim and did not have no fault at all in beeing raped (not drunk, running away, getting in cars with strangers etc) and i hope that justice has been brought to your case.
But over here on the island we are closer to the story than you are and we are getting the news more accurate and different than you are. Having all these informations come up from who Natalee really is we are starting to wonder if she did not bring this whole situation on her self and again I want to make clear that if there is a crime, it will be dealt with in an accurate way, but please let go to your theory that every occurance which includes men and a girl means rape.
Do you people know this family, have you lived your lives with them? Why speculate on “hearsay” that she has pulled this trick before? I have read numerous articles and have yet to read facts that she has run-away in other countries or at home! If indeed she has (lets hope that is the case) then yes, she deserves to be held accountable for her actions! Until then, lets let the Aruban Police and FBI I do their job and pray for her safe return!
Thank you Donna !!!!
Let’s just wait and see
Suave
Henry Heart,
We are talking about Natalee continously here because it is about Natalee, not the Whistleblower. If you would like to start a thread about that one, please email Red or Tom with some facts for them to begin with.
To the friends of Natalee’s that have been posting, I am so very sorry you have to see how low people can sink in by blaming her and suggesting things about someone they don’t even know. Just remember the vast majority of us really care and pray for her safe return.
Gabriel Leo, I do not want ANYTHING from you! So, buster, keep your crummy comments to yourself.
You are right , Red – some very “low” people here.
Are you “high” like Natalee?
Stacey, are you dumb as a post?
Hey, how about me? I’m in the news too?
Michael: Are you unaware that this is a dedicated Natalee thread? Sheesh.
Red, can you edit some of that irrelevant “whistleblower” stuff that’s taking up time and space?
To Mona:
I travelled to the Dominican Republic with my wife and 2 teenage daughters and stayed at an all-inclusive.
At dusk one evening we walked around the grounds. When we got close to the far end near the jungle we ran into guards in camoflauge carrying rifles. We nodded at each other and went on. My point is they understood they had a security problem and took action.
I also went sailing in the Grenadines for 2 weeks recently. It was great, except when we went to St. Lucia. In Soufriere, a young boy (10 years old or so) offered me drugs.
While we were off the boat someone rowed out and broke and stole our movie camera and about $2000 in cash and other stuff. Nothing like this happened in the southern islands. My point here is ………. we won’t go back to St. Lucia.
In my 53 years I have travelled multiple times to every major American city.
No kid has ever come up to me and offered drugs. St. Lucia has a crime problem and is apparently NOT doing anything about it. They will lose $$$ over this attitude.
Sounds like an Aruban attitude.
And Mona, using the word DEAL with Americans is not very complimentary.
It shows what is probably in your heart. You like the money, but not the people.
hahahahahhahaha
you are so easy to piss off
I LOVE IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Some of these replys are so sad. I am from Alabama and proud of it. We can spell here, write in intelligent answers, the whole nine yards. My God, this girl is missing. Her parents are in such pain and a lot of you are so cruel. I too, agree there are a lot of questions I would like answered BUT right now they will not be apparently like we want them too. I have been to Aruba, wonderful place, but the security there isnt what it is here. It is small. She is somewhere and someone knows something. Alive or dead, someone there knows. It is a different atmosphere and we all might do a little different
on a spur. I dont understand her being alone at the club, but I am sure there are other answers we dont know. People, show kindness. What are some of you thinking?
Kortnie you want to really , truly want to see the difference between the real news and the international news tune in this afternoon at 4pm ET look at my so called long-winded post and you can see where you can tune in. And eventhough it’s “long-winded”you read it all so that you prepare yourself to attack me.
If I’m defending my sacred Island HELL YES. Are you defending your sacred Perfect Girl and you believe that everything related to men is a Rape. Ofcourse.
Why I write long-winded post? So that you can see exactly what the real deal is. I don’t know jack? Oh like you do? You rely on the international press for your stories. I rely on what happens daily here on the island and compare it to what the international media says.
To Mona and Donna: I believe you are Arubians so:
contento di topa boso aki riba si 
Ban lew bo mai e cos aki un rato te ora cu mas cos nobo sali na cla. Paso e muhe aki i otronan ta keda draai rond, nan ta asina ignorante cu nan ta kere nan sa mihor cu nos, cu ta di Aruba. Mihor cos ta pa no lanta mas stof, paso mas nos lanta mas coi loko i falso nan ta pp dus…..no ban pleita cu nan mas, paso ta riba e mesun cuenta nan ta keda…bo mes lo wak cu pronto nan lo keda boca sera
Hi Didi, Alabama here too, it is really sad to see what some of our “own people” post on here! Alabama, America and Aruba ( the 3 AAA’s) are behind you Natalee, family and friends of Natalee, for your safe return!
Folks – Everyone take a breathe and remember what the topic is about here. We may learn much more news when the hearing takes place later today as to any evidence they may have or statements made by suspects or witnesses. I must admit Aruban law is a bit different.
Please stay on topic and don’t get personal. Please remember regarding to spelling when it comes to commenter’s from Aruba, although English is taught in their schools it is not necessarily their first language. Its a lot better than my papiamento.
I do not believe that Arubans hate Americans. although there probably is a bit of denial going on here because of the circumstances. I have received emails that have been rather cordial. One of the commenter’s referenced a comment on another post. I was going to do a post on it later but I will also add it to the comments.
There are people on Aruba that think the bar is not the best of places for “anyone” to go.
Please lets try to keep it civil and on point. Your opinions & comments are welcome, let’s keep them respectful as well.
Thank you,
Red
Excellent post, Just Wondering. Glad to see you.
I have been to the Cayman Islands, BWI, and had a fabulous time.
So sorry about your trip to St. Lucia. I have been to many American cities myself, including living in New York for two years, and have never been offered drugs, either.
Hope you have a great day.
Gabriel Leo
(Forgive me for my attempt at this, but I will try)
ami no ta pensando e kontestà ¡ na protecting aruba ta na ataka american’s kà ©n ke na konosà © kà happened na natalee. tambe hende ta bai na tin henter types di opinions. ami por komprende bo worries di esaki historia. ounke, nà ² means nà ². tin konsentà laws. ami kere aruba à arubans ta bon people; ounke, algu happened aki. esei ta obvious. fabor purba na warda e civil, bo opinions ta mas bon bini.
fabor no ta skirbi den papiamentu net na hasi komentario esei mei insultà ¡ otronan, than abo.
Let’s try to let all understand what you are trying to say. Thank you for your participation.
TO GABRIEL LEO
Bo tin razon, ban lew bo mai e hendenan ki, e ta un waste of time, y nan no ta wake mane nos ta wak e toch…… at least nos sa con Aruba ta
Aruba dushi tera!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sorry red
won’t speak in papiamento again
I ment that I won’t , I appreciate you trying to speak our language…. Sounds pretty good
Let’s all just wait and see what happens this afternoon, and as Gabriel leo mentioned before, tune into : http://www.promoaruba.aw and isten to the pressconference and let’s all hope for the best….
It doesn’t make any sense to go bitch at eachother here, because we all basicly want the same….for Natalee to come home safe!!!!!
She had on a low-cut blouse, no bra, probably had her thong showing outside of her miniskirt waistband, she dressed like a streetwalker and the guys on the island treated her as such, she dressed like a little $lut. Maybe other girls will learn from her mistake and will start to dress with some self-respect.
Wow, Red, that was fabulous!
I could understand some of what you said from knowing Spanish.
My word, did you JUST learn to write in Papiamento like that? You are a quick study!
TO DIDI:
Hey MISS ALABAMA !!! If you are seriously bitching about our spelling in English I would like for you to try and speak 4 different languages like most people do here…..not only one language….
Ummmmm, Jacob? Please tell me what appropriate “beach” attire is, in your most unvalued oppionion?
From what I can see from the photos, Natalee dressed like any young, American woman in the Islands. She had on a skirt and top. What do you suggest in Aruba? A fur coat?
Besides, Jacob, IT DOESN’T MATTER HOW SHE WAS DRESSED, DIMBULB!
If Natalee’s type of dress is your criterion for getting raped, then how come women dressed in head-to-toe Chador’s with absolutely no skin showing but the face get raped in Iran?
Your “argument” is so dumb and invalid it’s incredible. You’re a real misogynist, aren’t you?
Mona,
Thanks, I just want everyone to understand the Aruban & English point of view. Communication and the spread of ideas is what this site is all about.
I truly believe that it is great that Aruba kept its own language even prior to its going independent. Its just no one can understand it.
There are concerns on all sides and that is understandable. No one wants to hear that their safe island may have some bad apples under the surface. No one ever wants to hear that a victim is responsible for rape.
The US has gone through a long road to get victims right. Its a little puzzling with some of the comments I have read about rape.
Mona, I think no means nà ² in any language.
Thanks for your comments.
Well said Kortnie, another example of how things get stirred.
FACT : she was not wearing a bra
FACT : she was wearing a small miniskirt
FACT : she was wearing a low-cut blouse
FACT : she was hanging around a bar late at night
FACT : she voluntrily left with strangers
FACT : she did not stay with her large group of school friends
She was just asking for trouble, my sisters would never ever carry on like that, my parents instilled more morals anc common sense into my sisters. If my sisters left the house without wearing bras and wearing skimpy clothes and heading out to a bar at the age of 18, my parents would lay down the law to them right there.
Donna,
For your information, if you walk the beach at night by yourself, in a foreign country, being a 18-year old girl, I don’t think you should wear ” beach attire”
It’s amazing how men will continue to use any excuse they can find which permits them (in their minds) to rape women and girls and female infants.
What is it about the following that you just don’t get?:
THERE IS NO EXCUSE.
THERE IS NO EXCUSE.
THERE IS NO EXCUSE.
THERE – ARE YOU GETTING IT NOW???? HEELLOO?
Jacob – “probably had her thong showing outside of her miniskirt waistband, she dressed like a streetwalker and the guys on the island treated her as such, she dressed like a little $lut. Maybe other girls will learn from her mistake and will start to dress with some self-respect. ”
Please get over this mentality that “she asked for it”. No one “asks” for harm to come to them.
Everyone, please be respectful of someone who may not be here to defend herself…and say prayers that she is indeed found alive.
Jacob – Get your story straight. First you say probably then you say fact -
tells me you have no idea of what you speak…
Mona,
I am with you. Below is what is on the FoxNews website with a lot of it from the AP.
So most of the American press is presenting your island this way.
I think it is good for your country.
If some of the comments from the Arubans on this site hit the American media, it would not be good.
American security changed a lot after 9/11 and access and travel with it.
I think Aruba needs to look more deeply at itself and publicize security changes so people choose your country instead of others.
Because, it is also being reported that other tourists knew these men and their reputation is that they tried to sell drugs to tourists and hit on female tourists. If these guys are known troublemakers most Americans will think that they should have been closely watched.
“While Twitty(Natalee’s stepfather) said the people of Aruba have been “wonderful” and helpful in the search, the entire process is “frustrating when you have an island that’s 19 miles long, six miles wide and you can’t find her. It’s just like she’s vanished, disappeared, which is very difficult.
“It does leave me hope that she’s still alive,” Twitty continued. “We all believe she’s still alive, because nobody has found any evidence here and we’ve had people searching the island, volunteers. Under the circumstance, it’s unbelievable the response that we’ve had down here.”
TO Jacob:
FACT: She is 18 years old, was on an island, where that attire is appropriate, stop painting her out to be a slut, do you know her? Your first comment was based on her attire, not her whereabouts or who she was or wasn’t with……..Excuse me, but when I visit aruba, am I suppose to take sweats and leave the swimsuits in alabama?
There is NO excuse to rape those of the female gender.
Are you getting that yet through your thick skull, Jacob?
If she had dressed appropriately, with proper undergarments, and not worn a low-cut blouse and miniskirt, and had not gone to that bar at the age of 18 and had not gotten voluntarily into the car with the 3 guys, she would still be alive today, and we all know it.
That is why for job interviews you dress up – it’s because people judge you upon your appearance and attire. If you don’t want to be treated like a slut, don’t dress like one.
Kortnie
Where was offcially announced that she was raped?
Excuse me, show me FACTS that she is not still alive!
BTW, thank you, Donna. Let’s keep fighting back against these assorted male dimbulbs for Natalee’s and every other woman’s sake.
Some of them think with the wrong head!
You know what, Jacob? If there’s any “slut” around here, it’s YOU!
I wondered why Natalee would dress that way, and for days I could not understand why a young girl would go a bar at night without wearing a bra and wearing a low-cut blouse and miniskirt….
And then her mother arrived in Aruba a few days later to search for her, and BOOM – I was delivered my answer why Natalee dressed so trashy, it is because her mother also dresses in the same fashion.
Here is a picture of Natalee’s mother, notice the bra strap showing on the left-shoulder…
http://www.oneimagehost.com/files/NatMomBra.jpg
Jacob, you’re a PERVERT !
The bra strap? You are hopeless, Jacob, a real creep.
I feel sorry for anyone related to you.
LOL, I am a pervert ???
Because i want young women and their mothers to cover up, dress more respectfully, and stop wearing such skimpy clothing, that makes me a pervert ???
Donna, you have everything backwards, if you think it’s fine for young girls to dress in miniskirts and low-cut blouses at night in bars, YOU are the PERVERT. I pray that you don’t have daughters Donna, they need a mother who will teach them life lessons.
RAPIST is more like it, Donna.
True Kortnie, and yes I have a 13 year old daughter, and NO she doesn’t dress in long johns in the summer time!!!
People, PLEASE
This ia about Natalee, not about what you think of eachother……
Let’s just wait and see what they say in the pressocnference this afternoon
Sheeze
Donna, just ignore that total zero.
He’s a pox on humanity.
Uh, Mona, if some male idiot comes on and starts insulting Natalee and womankind in general, we are going to fight back. Some of us will, at least.
She wasn’t raped. You can’t rape the willing.
Mono, I appologize, you are so correct, I am just totally against “speculation”, i’ll stay with the facts!
A lot of volunteers are still searching, instead of fighting on this site, let’s give them our support
come on people, let’s get real
um Tickle? where are the Facts that “sex” was involved?
Imagine if one of the chaperones had told Natalee that her clothing was not appropriate for a bar late at night in a new place, she may have changed into loose-fitting jeans, a sweatshirt, and she would most likely still be alive today. When dressed cheaply with everything showing, you are inviting bad stuff to happen to you, and that mixed with alcohol just heightens the problem.
But the chaperones probably had the mindset of Korntie here, that an 18 year old should be able to wear as little as she wants and expect to go anywhere and be safe, naive women like Kortnie were most likely the chaperones on the trip and we see now what the result is.
We must excercise caution at all times!
Jacob, give me the site you are visiting that shows she is confirmed, dead, please!
Donna, give me the site you are visiting that shows she is just sitting in a hotel room for the past 9 days playing board games and painting her toe-nails and watching television and is perfectly safe, please !
I’m not saying that I agree with whatever rude and disrespectful messages are being posted here, but those who post those messages are not worth any of our time…..just let them be……..as they say in Aruba: nan no por yuda…. can’t change their way of thinking anyways….. so let’s not get into them too much, let’s focus on natalee
There is no such site, and I am not speculating either!
I say live and learn.
i.e. Darwin ..survival of the fitest.
Natural selection.
This site rocks!!
Keep up the good work people.
Party on ……
I also speak 4 languages. Some of this is ridiculous. Lets find the girl or find out what did happen instead of stupidly trying to insult her, her family, and this nation under the name of the U.S.A. What is the matter with some of you? This isnt worth our time and energy doing this. If YOU didnt agree with her dress or her actions, let
it go for now. Pray for her family. They need all the help they can get. The focus has gone astray. For me, I’m outta here.
Where did everyone go?
Aruba??
According to YAHOO NEWS : Dressed in the same blue-and-green striped, low-cut blouse and denim miniskirt that she wore at the beach earlier in the day, Holloway spent Sunday evening partying at Carlos ‘N Charlie’s, a popular restaurant and dance spot where tourists and locals meet in the capital, Oranjestad. She left 10 minutes before closing at 1 a.m., said the restaurant’s master of ceremonies Jose Hernandez, 38.
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Here is a picture I found of Natalee wearing a low-cut blouse and miniskirt, if you notice, she is not wearing a bra in this picture either , seems to be a common style of dressing with her, very disturbing for someone her age….
http://www.oneimagehost.com/files/lowcut.jpg
Wish I was in Aruba, I’d help look for Natalee, and I wouldn’t be wearing “sweats” eaither, lol
Jacob,
We live in the 21st century, at least I do, dressing in a manner does not warrant rape. Last time I checked Aruba was a “hot” climate Island. I am sure many of the girls in the bar were dressed the same way.
You do realize that rape is an act of hate, right?
Let’s all understand that difference between opinion, speculation and fact.
NO ONE KNOWS ANY FACTS UNLESS I have the Aruban Justice Dept on my site. Justice Croes is welcome to come on and comment or email any time.
ALL, lets just understand and respect, do not digress. I am a free speech person but lets not push it.
either* that is, lol, that was a typo, not a misspelled word, and Jacob, if you were on yahoo messenger, I would place you on ignore, but, since I can’t do that here, I will mentally do it. When you have a point, post it, until then, I refuse to comment to anymore of your speculations!
Oh Donna, what’s wrong, you want to ignore the truth ? Donna, you are just as naive as this girl was, it was the chaperones with your mindset Donna that are responsible for this, letting young girls dressed cheaply enter bars late at night, I hope the parents sue the hell out of the irresponsible chaperones that have the same mindset as you Donna.
People like you Donna need to be held responsible for not taking proper care of this girl and allowing her to enter a dangerous situation where alcohol was being served.
Candy do I know you?
What’s your last name?
Jacob, please read the post by “To Bill Banks”, your self righteousness is innappropriate and very inconsiderate. Please remember that no one is saying that Natalee was perfect. Dressing in “skimpy” outfits at the age of 18 is hardly asking to get raped. Just please read the post I listed earlier adn try to be sensitive.
Jacob, you are such an ass. A real simpleton.
I pity you.
My last name is DICH.
Get it Candy Dich.
My parents have a great sence of humor.
Back to the issue at hand.
It seems like we have to be on gaurd 24/7 anymore.
I long for the good ol days!
Kortnie, you are an inconsiderate fool. Kortnie, you are a sicko if you think it is appropriate for young girls to wear skimpy clothing and enter bars in other countries at 1 a.m. in the morning. I pray that you never have children Kortnie, and I pray that you are NEVER a chaperone on a school trip and that you never have the power to get other people’s children in dangerous situations where they are not capable of handling themselves.
I hope the chaperones on this Aruba trip with the mindset of Kortnie are held 100% responsible for allowing a child in their care to dress cheaply and enter a bar late at night and into the early morning hours.
Makes me sick to my stomach to see people like Kortnie here, defending Natalee’s actions, as if it is appropriate for young girls to enter bars in skimpy clothing.
COME ON GUYS!!!
This is NOT the dating game!!
Folks,
It looks like people are getting riled up over here, so it is a time for a break. I am shutting down the comments on this post until 2 pm EDT and then we can resume hopefully with a better tone.
Lets call it a Siesta in the Aruban tradition.
See ya at 2 pm with a better disposition,
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