RSSConfirmed … The Jaw Bone Found in Aruba Does Not Belong to Natalee Holloway (Update: Official Statement)
BREAKING NEWS ARUBA …
It has been confirmed by Aruba officials this afternoon, the jaw bone found recently on the beach near the Phoenix Hotel DOES NOT belong to Natalee Holloway. The long awaited answer that was thought to provide some clarity to the mystery of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway … remains a mystery.
Authorities said dental records used to compare the small amount of the DNA on the bone did not match.
“Based on dental records, it can be ruled out that the bone fragment came from Natalee Holloway,” the Aruban Prosecutor’s Office siad in a statement.
UPDATE I: Natalee Holloway: Jawbone Not That of Missing American Teen
“The bone appeared to have been exposed to various (weather) influences and proved to be porous,” the statement read.
For the time being, the forensics team has stopped working to test the DNA.
“There is still a possibility that the molar from the jawbone could be used for further efforts to generate a DNA profile,” the statement read. “However, this follow-up study of said molar would inhibit future research into identifying the person from whom the bone originates.”
It is believed a recent hurricane may have stirred up the beach, leading tourists to find the bone outside a hotel.
UPDATE II: Official Statement from Aruba:
Bone material not of Natalee Holloway
At the request of the Aruban Public Prosecutor’s Office the Netherlands Forensic Institute has conducted forensic anthropological and DNA investigations on bone material, a piece of jawbone with a tooth. These investigations were executed simultaneously. Detailed examination by the NFI excludes the possibility that the bone material found in Aruba is that of Natalee Holloway.
Exclusion after comparing dental records
It was, first, necessary to establish that the bone material was in fact human material. This is the case. Thus the forensic anthropological investigation was expanded to include an investigation by forensic odontologists. Using the dental records of Natalee Holloway, such as the location of wisdom teeth and fillings, a comparison was made with the jaw bone recovered on Aruba. Based on these comparisons it could be excluded that the investigated bone material and molar came from Natalee Holloway.
DNA testing
Along with the forensic anthropological and odontological research, the NFI initiated a forensic DNA investigation. However, only a very small amount of DNA material was present and that was also of low quality. The bone appeared to have been exposed to various (weather) influences and proved to be porous. DNA researchers at the NFI therefore have applied extensive and highly sophisticated techniques to the DNA present in the bone to be examined.
On the basis of the comparison of the dental records the possibility that the bone material came from Natalee Holloway was excluded, therefore further DNA testing has been stopped. There is still a possibility that the molar from the jawbone could be used for further efforts to generate a DNA profile. However this follow-up study of said molar would inhibit future research into identifying the person from whom the bone originates.
Given that, based on dental records, it can be ruled out that the bone fragment came from Natalee Holloway, the Office of the Public Prosecutor in Aruba has decided not yet to carry out further research on the material. The prosecution will decide what further action will be taken to identify the bone material.
Natalee Holloway Investigation
The Office of the Public Prosecutor in Aruba has been involved in an investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway since her dissapearance. The case retains the constant attention from law enforcement on the island.
Posted November 23, 2010 by Scared Monkeys Aruba, Corruption, Crime, Dave Holloway, Deepak Kalpoe, Kidnapping/Abduction, Missing Persons, Murder, Natalee Holloway | 49 comments |
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Why do I not believe this? And if the U.S. requests permission to do their own testing how do we know they will hand over the real jawbone.
The area should be thoroughly searched. Serial killers tend to use the same areas to get rid of their victims. There could be a treasure trove of evidence. Van Der scum and the Kalpoes probably conducted their drug, rape and murder scheme for quite some time. They may find many dead young girls
WHY DID THE PROSECUTORS OFFICE WAIT AND MAKE SUCH A BIG DEAL IF NOT NATALEE?
ARUBA SUCKS – BOYCOTT ARUBA
They will never hand over the bone to the US. It belongs to another victim, probably of urine’s and Kalpoe scum, so they have to keep it in their crime files. How many murdered young women are there?
Aruba, really how many bones wash up on your shores and why? Your little stinking island will forever be plagued by the works of the devil until your island comes clean. You can only perfume a pig for so long….people realize it’s a pig.
I would like that bone tested in AMERICA. Are they kidding with this nonsense? Who the hell does it belong top if not Natalie? Carry on about your business, its not Natalie’s. Dont worry that we have human bones floating up on our beaches.
Well, I’m not surprised! The Dutch and Arubans are nothing but a bunch of damn LIARS anyway! Even if it were Natalee, the authorities in Holland and Aruba would NEVER admit it!! They (ALE and Dutch authorities) are still covering upvfor the van der Slut’s and the many crimes they committed (as well as their co-conspirators) on that drug infested, poverty stricken, third world Dutch protectorate of Arubbish!!
BOYCOTT ARUBA AND THE NETHERLANDS TIL HELL FREEZES OVER!!
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
I would have thought with teh production that Aruba made of this that the bones recovered were those of Natalee Holloway.
I guess Aruba just wanted the MSM to come to Aruba pay for hotel rooms and use the restaurants.
What a shame, my prayers are with the family and Natalee Holloway.
R
Did anybody else hear the loud “whew” from Aruba and Peru?
hey there. i was kinda figuring they would say it wasnt her. but i have a few questions…just think about this…
when beth confronts joran he says he did what he did becuz he is addicted to gambling.. didnt joran help natalee win back a couple hundred dollars that night???
if so maybe thats why she was targeted…if not does anyone else think they should try the sex slavery thing again..selling her would give joran some good cash..i really have always thought that’s what happened to her. maybe the fbi should look into it. at least if it isnt her they can put that theory to rest.
anyway my heart goes out to her mom and dad.
#2 you are correct, but they are the last ones to give up their victims, the two that are most likely to talk would be Koen and Sander these two guys use their father’s boat when they went out of town on Fri. they took her where they went swimming and snorkeling every sun. with their girl friends, this was their favorite spot. I.M.O.
I guess we were all hoping this would bring some closure to Natalee’s family. But, no again. There is doubt as to whether we got the true and actual facts.
Maybe Natalee is on the Sloot property and that is why Joran killed his dog because he was digging her up. And then when the police went to search the property the judge answers the door and doesn’t allow the search. And then Paulus builds a wall. The priest at the church across the street from the Sloots would not talk to Dave Holloway.
No surprise really but a shame the family didn’t get closure.
What is all this moaning about ALE, they did a thorough job this time.
It wasn’t them who made a big deal about this but the American press, blame them.
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SM: See the problems is in the way they made the announcement. According to them they have known for days the jawbone was not Natalee’s based upon the wisdom tooth. Why didn’t they notify the family and tell them so? Why wait at all and make a big production out of it? ARUBA SUCKS – BOYCOTT ARUBA (klaasend)
I’ll be damn.
10.adysbrandonsmom
It was Ruth who Joran won back some of what she lost. It was also Ruth that Joran was originally attracted.
Just recall the three things that went wrong with Miss Flores and why.”Joran say why does this always happen to him.”
Elemininate the money issue.
However Deepak and Jran constantly confuse Ruth and Natalee.
in one sense (closure for Beth and Dave) it’s very sad, but it does make sense. It didn’t seem to be from the right area. I believe the tale Joran told about Natalee’s body being dumped at sea.
13. Myriam
Dental records were electronically emailed by the FBI to the NFI last Wednesday. According to Taco Stein in his statement today … it was quickly determined that the jawbone find was not Natalee Holloway case related. Why was the family not quickly notified? Why was the family forced to again ride that emotional roller coaster for almost a week … that emotional roller coaster ride of hope beyond hope that Natalee would be coming home.
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FBI: Aruba studying missing teen’s dental records
Posted: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:30 pm
Paul Daymond, an FBI spokesman in Birmingham, Alabama, said the agency sent some records electronically Wednesday ….
http://www.bonnercountydailybee.com/news/world/article_0074a3f2-3def-5a9a-a652-c24cc179caa9.html
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Natalee Holloway: Jawbone Not That of Missing American Teen
Nov. 23, 2010
The determination was made using Holloway’s dental records, according to a statement issued late this morning by the Aruba Public Prosecutor’s Office.
Aruban Solicitor General Taco Stein said shortly after the announcement that they could determine quickly that the bone wasn’t Holloway’s — the jawbone found on the beach had a wisdom tooth still attached and Holloway’s dental records showed the teen had had her wisdom teeth removed.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/natalee-holloway-jaw-bone-missing-american-teen/story?id=12222677
Natalee Holloway’s mother issues statement on jawbone testing
November 19, 2010
Natalee’s mother released this statement today:
“There is no good answer, whether it is Natalee or whether it isn’t. But no answer at all is the most unbearable. We appreciate everyone’s loving care and concern and are anxious about the developments.”
foxalabamanews.com
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Beth Holloway releases statement
November 23, 2010
“Beth accepts the forensic conclusions, is emotionally exhausted from the inexplicably long wait, and deeply disappointed in the time and manner in which she learned of the results. Apparently Aruban prosecutors were more sensitive to media concerns than the painful vigil of a mother.” John Q. Kelly, Attorney for Beth Holloway
cbs42.com
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Loving Natalee – Beth Holloway
Page 219: I have to make difficult choices every day. I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me. It’s not easy. I ask God to help me.
What Brie said about the van der Sloot property makes me wonder if that is why Anita has not left Aruba to return to the Netherlands where her family is. If the van der Sloot property is where Natalee’s remains are, or if there is evidence there Anita would have to sit on it to keep anyone who comes in after she moves from finding it. I always wonder what makes Anita stay there on Aruba with her youngest son…maybe she can’t leave.
Also, Crossbow, I believe that Joran and Paulus did not originally target Natalee at the Holiday Inn casino but rather the girl that Joran helped win some of her daddy’s money back. I think when Joran went to Carlos and Charlies later that night Natalee ran up to him and started talking to him and flirting, I think that is when the “shark” targeted Natalee. Natalee wanted to see sharks and unfortunately she saw “sharks” but they were the kind who hunt on land. JMO God bless and keep the Holloways and the Flores families. Everyone on this site hold your loved ones close and be thankful for all tthe blessings you have.
Now the question is, whose bones is it? The bone could bring closure to someone else’s loved one.
wow
how many people are killed in Aruba.
That suggests they cover up more than we know. Parents keep your daughters out of Aruba. It really is a DANGEROUS place .
If Joran dumped Natalee at sea, it wasn’t that night…Beth visits Joran in jail and asks for the were abouts of her daughter Natalee…Joran says he will think about it and send her a letter…how does this criminal get away with all of his actions…
#16- Agree. Upon viewing the hidden camera “car” Interviews w/Patrick….even while under the influence- it does not take an expert to summize that there was definetly some TRUTH in much of what Joran admitted.
He mixed in some lies, and half truths to try and “impress” Patrick and cover the identities of some of those involved- but based on eyewitness testimony- time line- missing tennis shoes and both Joran and Paulus being spotted early in the next morning…it is more than likely Natalee Holloway was buried at Sea. The Fisherman’s Hut’s broken into….trap(s) missing….this is what seems most likely from the start.
One of Paulus’s “friends” Son was called and came with the boat.
Beth Holloway said when she first arrived on the Island (and although corrupt—it IS such a beautiful Place with miraculous aqua blue water)—Beth said she could not look out at the Sea. She was afraid to, something instinctually made her look away. That brings me chills to this very day. A Mother’s natural instinct about their own Children is rarely ever wrong. Beth could not look out to the Sea, perhaps because her instincts were correct that something was so wrong while in Aruba-Natalee was out there somewhere as much as she, Jug and Dave Holloway would have liked to believe otherwise at the time.
=( -J4N
#10 adysbrandonsmom,
Look at the casino video shots, if you still have access to them (can someone post a link?). Notice that Joran is sitting next to Ruth, and not Natalee. Notice who is sitting next to Natalee. It’s papa sloot himself.
Ruth was Joran’s original target. She didn’t go that last night. I think the explanation was that she had a boyfriend along on trip, and they wanted to be together the last night. Daddy sloot was interested in Natalee (maybe that accounts for all the sweating when confronted). I really believe that Natalee was taken to Paulus at some point. It may have been after she was badly hurt, or maybe right away. The rest is self-explanatory.
Someone elaborate, but wasn’t it Ruth’s boyfriend that got into a fight with Joran?
Jerry
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“Beth accepts the forensic conclusions, is emotionally exhausted from the inexplicably long wait, and deeply disappointed in the time and manner in which she learned of the results. Apparently Aruban prosecutors were more sensitive to media concerns than the painful vigil of a mother.” John Q. Kelly, Attorney for Beth Holloway
Sad….This is quite frankly Disgusting Aruba! Haven’t you and your covering up BS put this poor woman and natalee’s Dad/Brother/Friends/Family through enough??? Not natalee? so you just have bones on your beach, state it’s not her, and yet there’s no further talk about WHO the bone belongs to and how you are going to find out. I guess young girls must be in “season” in Aruba just like Hunting in the US, and therefore stray bones don’t alarm you? BOYCOTT ARUBA>>>THEY SUCK NOW MORE THAN EVER!!!!!!!!!!
In other stories today…..Aruba reported that the jawbone was not a female human jawbone, but rather a dog’s jawbone….
DNA testing shows that the jawbone belonged to the same dog that bled all over that mattress found in the days after Holloway was murdered.
Good grief. Anyone that expected Dutch officials to be of any help, at any time, in this case are crazy. They are in this one up to their dutch eyebrows and crappy beer (heineken).
Did anyone really believe Joran was going to give Beth the location of Natalee’s remains? The psychologist said last night on NG, “He knows right from wrong, he’s a psychopath, he doesn’t care.” That is not an exact quote but it is basically what she said. Beth sitting there begging just tore everyone on this blog apart…Joran didn’t care. I don’t think Beth expected him to tell her. Maybe now that the Kalpoes know that Beth and Joran are going to be emailing each other and corresponding regularly maybe they might want to think about becoming Beth’s friend on facebook. If Joran does correspond with Beth there is no telling what he might say. He may have already told her something by email that he didn’t want to say on camera. Maybe Jan van der Straetten might want to get her email too. Just the fact that Beth walked into Castro Castro and walked right up to Joran might make some other people worried about when she might just come walking up to them with a camera. Keep ‘em wondering Beth.
The hit man (the clown) Joran’s friend and cell mate in Peru’s Castro, Castro prison will bleed him dry. Then whack him after he is convicted.
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Why would the Dutch forensic institute do that?
What do we have to gain?
Everybody here is on beths side
your right about the crappy Heineken though…thats why we export it
Greg,
I worked with a prison ministry for years. In prison, everyone is either innocent or a “hit man”. Truth of the matter is, they are either in on drug charges, or child molesting, or both.
Jerry
Joran is very happy in his own element. He fits in well with rats and murderers. I understand he can also access drugs in there which makes the prison virtually a home away from home.
If he manages to survive the next 20 years there, a picnic he will NOT have in an Alabama prison. That is when his real prison term will begin. He better save up his drug money and buy himself some butt lube, he is going to need it!
That is the state prisons. The federal prisons are full of lawyers.
Jerry
The federal prisons are full of lawyers or guys who say, “my lawyer told me it was legal.”
In 1985 a young couple from New Hampshire went missing and no remains have ever been found. How many other families could this impact?
NANCY GRACE
Jawbone Found Not Natalee Holloway`s
Aired November 23, 2010 – 20:00:00 ET
LINDA ALLISON, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S AUNT (via telephone): Well, I did get a chance to talk to Dave several times today, and we were just — the anxiety was unbelievable this morning, anticipating what the results were going to be. And we, you know, just again, were almost flabbergasted to hear the news at the same time that everybody else did, that there was no phone call made prior to Dave and Robin or to Beth saying, you know, We`ve gotten the results and it`s not Natalee`s DNA. And so we were just kind of really shocked about the way that it was handled. And I know Dave and Robin are really disappointed and were looking for some closure, and it didn`t happen today.
http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1011/23/ng.01.html
Jerry,
I have a friend in Peru. The clown is a famous Colombian hit man. Iam sure a few innocent people are in jail. Maybe a man of god could get Joran to come clean on Natalee?
Which boy from the Mountain Brook group was the one who tried to get Natalee to get out of the Kalpoe’s car when Deepak stopped in front of the group after leaving Carlos and Charlie’s that night? Wasn’t there also something very early on about one of the younger van der Sloot brothers telling his classmates that he saw a dead girl in the bathtub at his house? Can one of you old timers
verify that? Can any of you monkeys with Aruba connections explain to me why Anita & the youngest Sloot are still on Aruba? Also, what kind of trouble has the youngest Sloot been in lately? Is the youngest Sloot using the apartment now?
Just plain disgusted with this whole thing…!!!!
More sorrow….over and over again…!!!!
Joran sits across from Beth when she visited him in prison asking politely where her daughter is…Joran’s response is I’ll think about it. He has had over 5 yrs to think about it. Then he said he will write her a letter. John Q Kelly says Joran will never tell what happened to Natalee. Joran says he only told all those lies because he was getting paid to do so….there we go, shifting the blame on someone else…what a miserable piece of s~~t…At the beginning, no one paid him to lie about dropping off Natalee at the Holiday Inn, no one paid him to lie about the beach, no one paid him to lie about going to the lighthouse, on and on, but as time went by the media then got involved and would pay and print his lies.
I feel so saddened by all of this, Natalee’s family only want to know where their daughter is and to see justice served. GOD BLESS THIS FAMILY…AND MAY JORAN BURN IN HELL!!!!
JUST WANT TO SAY DON,T BLAME ARUBA FOR WHAT HAPPEND ..ALL OVER THIS WORLD YOU FIND HORRIBLE KILLINGS,, I FEEL VERY BAD FOR NATALY,S FAMILY,BUT PLEASE DON,T BLAME THE ISLAND FOR THAT.ARUBA IS A VERY NICE ISLAND..THANK YOU.
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SM: We will blame the island of Aruba for Natalee’s death. They pass themselves off as a safe Caribbean vacation paradise. They claim that there is a drinking and gambling age. Had Aruba adhered to that 18 yo age, Joran Van der Sloot would have never been allowed in a the casino where he met the girls from Mountainbrook or in Carlos n’ Charlies.
Aruban police then helped cover up the crime with small island cronyism. They would have never investigated this crime had Beth and Natalee’s family come to Aruba.
Aruba should have held their law enforcement, politicians and justice system to a standard to help find Natalee and hold those responsible to justice. They did nothing as they cared more about their precious tourism than a human life.
Sorry … Aruba will held to be blamed, ALWAYS!
R
#40 Are you kiddin me. This ENTIRE ISLAND, THIS ARUBA, JUST TURNED THEIR HEAD AND SAID THEY WERE NOT RESPONSIBLE, THEY DID NOTHING AND THEN THEY BLAME OTHERS FOR THEIR CONSEQUENCES. YOU VOTED IN THE POLITICIANS, WHO COVERED UP FOR THEIR CRONIES!!!
YES ARUBA!!! YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE.
Everyone here is on Beth’s side????? What other side is there? She lost her child to an evil monster in an evil place….Who else has a side?
The citizens of Aruba are not blind and deaf. They know what goes on there. They know about the human trafficking, the prostitution, drug deals, children being allowed to drink and gamble. Just look at the pictures on the sm forum of the children there. Look at the “high society” on Aruba, don’t you wonder how they make their money? As many times as we have all asked “Could what happened to Natalee have happened to my child?” I’m sure that the people running Aruba have thought as many times, “Could what happened to Paulus and Joran have happened to me or my child?” Natalee was a victim, Paulus and Joran were the predators. Not coming forward with information Aruba makes you just as guilty as the predator sharks. Watch out for your children Aruba.
Happy Thanksgiving Monkeys.
November 23, 2010
More Heartache for Natalee Holloway’s Family
Dave Holloway thanked everyone for their support and says “we remain hopeful that some day we will find the answer to the whereabouts of our daughter, Natalee Holloway”.
http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2010/11/23/more-heartache-for-natalee-holloways-family/
Corruption in Paradise – Dave Holloway
Page 42: I grasped at straws. I was desperate. I bloodied by hands from ripping up rocks on the beach in the hopes of finding one tiny shred of evidence. I performed the revolting task of tearing through the contents of a garbage dump in search of my daughter’s body. I scoured crack houses looking to see if Natalee was being held captive in one of them. When officials found out that Americans were going into those places and shaking things up, they became infuriated and told me to back off.
I am a father who has no idea what has happened to my child. The questions run through my mind all day long. They keep me awake at night. Is she dead? Is she alive? Is she being held captive somewhere? Are they hurting her? Is she crying out for me? I need to know. I need to find some peace, one way or another
Red
I have never forgotten that you were there at that Aruban landfill along side of Dave Holloway and his FIL. You have been a warrior for the cause of answers in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway since the getgo. Thank you.
Janet
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Corruption in Paradis – Dave Holloway
Page 39-40: Another witness, a homeless man who claimed to have been up on the landfill three days after Natalee vanished, said he had seen someone take something out of a pick-up truck that looked like a body and bury it. He descried the exact spot with landmarks, but by this time, there had already been a lot of garbage dumped on top of the spot. The searchers dug and came across some of the things the witness said he had seen in the garbage, but they had to use backhoes to dig deeper, and the machinery kept breaking down. We had about forty holes dug and kept sending the dogs down in them. During that entire week, I spent all of my time surrounded by rotting garbage searching for Natalee. It was hot and the stench was so unbearable that we had to wear masks in order to breathe, but we continued to search. My belief was that if we could find the haystack, we could find the needle.
#40-BOEBOE—Please further understand- we do not blame the ISLANDERS or innocent local natives of Aruba for what your CORRUPT OFFICIALS AND GOVERNMENT DID.
While it is true, we have corruption and crime here in the USA just like anywhere else, we lost and INNOCENT AMERICAN CITIZEN to a senseless violent crime on your Island, which incidentally- relies heavily upon US Dollars and revenue stream for it’s very existence.
The corruption as you know, goes all the way up to the top. The House of Cards will most likely never fall- way too much to lose.
You must put yourselves in the shoes of the Holloway Family, and remember that THE VAN DER SLOOT’s harbored, lied and protected Joran VDS who is nothing but a gambling, corrupt, evil MURDERER. Paulus Van Der Sloot was also involved in this crime, and yes- he is now dead.
How do you expect any sympathy or support when Paulus took his secret to the grave and your GOVERNMENT has stood by and DONE NOTHING.
They let the true MURDERER FREE, only to have him go to Peru and murder again.
It is called ACCOUNTABILITY, and doing the RIGHT THING. Aruba never will come clean and go back to the beginning nor admit the improper and ILLEGAL way the original investigation was handled.
Bottom Line—is worth repeating. We will hold the Island of Aruba and THE CORRUPT OFFICIALS who have hidden what they know about Natalee Holloway’s murder RESPONSIBLE for the death of this young AMERICAN CITIZEN, simply because they are RESPONSIBLE yet still chose to do NOTHING about what they KNOW.
– JUSTICE 4 NATALEE HOLLOWAY & HER FAMILY -
– JUSTICE 4 STEPHANY FLORES & FAMILY -
* Boycott any travel to ARUBA – until that ONE UNHAPPY ISLAND DOES THE RIGHT TIHNG ! *
Everyone should go to the Purina website and to the “Live With Regis and Kelly” homepage and email these people about giving away Aruba vacations. I emailed both and simply said that an American citizen disappeared there amongst rumors of human trafficking, gang rape, and drugs. I also mentioned the obstruction of justice that the Holloways met with by the legal community in Aruba. Then I asked how. with these reports, can they encourage Americans to travel there. I also mentioned that I hoped that any American families who win these trips do not meet with physical harm or worse while there. You would think that liability alone would keep these companies from sending anyone there. I think a big write-in campaign would discourage these companies from giving away these trips. This is something we can do to help the boycott. JMO
Strange that human bones keep appearing on the beaches of Aruba. And, even stranger that they confirm not to be Natalee’s bones. Whose bones do they confirm to be? Who else is missing off that island? There never seems to be a complete answer in this case. Who did the testing? Who gets to see the results? Still, to this day, unanswered questions. Inept people still running the show over there, getting paid to give lip service. Aruba has not one redeeming quality for me and my family to visit. If I ever wanted to drop off the face of the earth I guess I would go to Aruba.