RSSPossible Link Between Vernon Seitz Case and Daniel “Danny” Barter Missing Persons Case
On December 15, 2008, Vernon C. Seitz, 62 yr old white male is found Dead on Entry appearing to be of natural causes. On December 12, 2008, Dr. Victoria Fetter, Seitz’s licensed psychiatrist contacted MPD to discuss her patients intent to confess to a homicide he was forced to participate in, following an alleged abduction, sexual assault and torture by unknown subjects. Mr. Seitz states he and another victim were abducted while on a family outing to Racine Zoo on June 19, 1959. There is no report of this incident or any remotely similar incident on file and It is the opinion of MPD this never occurred . Upon reading initial press on this incident, I prepared my own investigative article provided below.
- Part I: Shave, Haircut and Child Porn … The Barber of St. Francis, Vernon C. Seitz
- Part II: No Connection to Other Pending Cases, MPD Closing the Case. Nothing to See Here; The Barber of St. Francis, Vernon C. Seitz
- Search Warrants and MPD Inventory Report to Date
Upon further research I note the article where the psychiatrist references the date for the 
first time, of Seitz’s alleged account, as June 19, 1959. This date immediately sparks my interest as I had been profiling possible links to this case by cross referencing missing children cases of boys, of which Seitz appeared to posses an alarming interest. I reviewed the data regarding the missing person’s case for Daniel Barter:
Daniel Barter has been missing from Alabama since June 18, 1959. Daniel was last seen playing near the banks of Perdido Bay where he had gone camping with his parents, siblings and other relatives. Daniel reportedly disappeared from the campsite while his parents were preparing some fishing equipment. Daniel did not like water; therefore it is believed that he would not have gone into the bay voluntarily. An extensive search for Daniel ensued immediately, but he has not been seen or heard from since that time.
From several various online sources, the following supplemental information from the Barter family should be considered:
Daniel was holding a bottle of Nehi; the bottle was never recovered at the scene. In any scenario other than abduction, based on the exhaustive search, this would have been recovered.
Mrs. Barter recalled a man sitting outside their home in Mobile on separate occasions. One incidence his footprints were located outside of Danny’s window. Both incidents were based on eyewitness accounts.
While at the store in Lillian the morning of the abduction, Danny and his brother were in the car while Mrs. Barter ran into the store. A man pulled up next to them, appeared to do nothing but watch them, did not exit to go to the store, and then left. The older Barter sibling remarked to Mrs. Barter upon her return to the vehicle that the man was just looking at them, but obviously made him uncomfortable.
Daniel was dressed in only gray Boxer shorts which he wore to bed the previous evening, when he disappeared.
Bloodhounds repeatedly followed his scent to the road.
From Seitz On Scene Recovery
In addition to referencing to Mr. Seitz account and date-specific statements regarding abduction and homicide, the following items were recovered from the scene that may be relative to the Barnet case. Although PIO Anne Schwartz has stated publicly that Seitz’s property in Racine, inherited from his deceased Mother Mildred in 2006, has been searched, there is no public record of a warrant for same. Additionally, there is no indication of a warrant for any vehicle owned by Mr. Seitz :
There were 4 freshly dug dirt piles, or evidence of apparent ground disturbance, on Mr. Seitz’s property. According to weather analysis on December 10, the last known witness account of Seitz being alive, there was 13” of snow on the ground already, therefore the ground would have been very frozen:
A cassette tape and cassette video marked “kidnapping of a 4 ½ year old boy”.
A black and white photo of a boy, white male, holding a fish, with “July 1959” handwritten on the back.
A letter from the White House. The Barter’s had strong Washington contacts and received a letter from J.Edgar Hoover at the time of the abduction. Did Seitz have a copy?
Significant amounts of Child Pornography, hand drawn maps and missing children’s cases posters and maps with circles indicating various locations.
Additional Seitz Data:
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Mr. Seitz appears to have relatives in the Mobile area. Specifically, his grandparents, Mildred and Raymond Seitz, and his brother Karl had an address in Birmingham. Several cousins as well.
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Richard K Francel, who was quoted has a warrant out for his arrest, issued December 18, 2008 for driving with a revoked/suspended license.
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Current information indicates subject has multiple family members that are registered sex offenders in Wisconsin (please note this is not a full sheet on these offenders, strictly relative offense(s):
Donald P. Seitz: Wisconsin Circuit Court Access
- 1 948.03(2)(a) Child Abuse-Intentional.Cause Great Harm Felony C Dismissed on Prosecutor’s Motion
- 2 948.02(1) 1st Degree Sexual Assault of Child Felony B Guilty / No Contest
Michael A Seitz
Firearms/wreckless: Wisconsin Circuit Court Access
- 1 948.07(1) Child Enticement-Sexual Contact Felony BC Guilty / No Contest
- 2 948.02(1) 1st Degree Sexual Assault of Child Felony B Guilty / No Contest
Wisconsin Circuit Court Access (WCCA)
Racine County Case Number 1997CF000052
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Posted January 22, 2009 by Scared Monkeys Arrest, Bizarre, Child Welfare, Crime, Deceased, Sex Offender | 21 comments |
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21 Responses to “Possible Link Between Vernon Seitz Case and Daniel “Danny” Barter Missing Persons Case”
I hope everyone takes a look at this. Complex, but worth solving.. Interviews with associates of Seitz and Baldwin County SO to come …
Just goes to show the truth can come out even if years later. Gotta love these people willing to research and investigate this stuff for so long.
Then again…although it seems so long ago, those how loved and lost this child probably feel like time has stood still somedays…and that it’s been eternity others. God bless those families! Hope I never have to go through it.
Brenda, very well put. It is my understanding from the BCSO, that this little guy’s sisters are in touch with him biweekly and have been for many years. They want closure and peace for their brother. It broke my heart. Even if it turns out Seitz cannot be tied to Barter, I hope it might shed some light anyway on any cases potentially involved. Any family of a missing loved one will tell you, they can sustain even the worst of outcomes, except the “never knowing” and I agree.
How very sick of this monster!
Very sad for the family.
RIP, Daniel……..such a sweet looking boy
(aren’t they all)
Sounds like a possible connection; I don’t know why they wouldn’t investigate this as such.
Very good researching.
I was just thinking
Police Station
detective 1: man Im beat,lets just wrap this up and have a beer
detective 2: Great! let me just check scaredmonkeys.com first.
I don’t understand why it is “case closed.” They couldn’t possibly have back all the DNA results! If they did it was the fastest turn around I’ve ever heard of. I think this guy is going to be linked to many crimes.
The first thing I thought of was that his mom must have sold him. But, he was treated like he was abducted, because of the legality of selling a child. Possibly purchased by a single man. For some sick reason, young mothers think that as long as a boy has a dad, they’ll be o.k which is why there’s no record of him disappearing.
Certainly, a boy who is either sold, or abducted into an underground world of trafficking, tortured or was used to torture others would have links to that life-style, pervert thoughts, the desire to control, etc. There’s a good chance that he would grow up to be an offender, himself.
Although, I think the obit in the newspaper is a cry for help. Perhaps a young man that was sold into slavery to another man. Torture completely crushes the victim’s personality to the point where they have to recreate themselves. They learn to be completely humble and obedient. The letter is written in that tone, imo.
Any one else get that impression?
I agree with Beth. In fact, that was the first thing that I thought of. Did the police run luminal tests around the area of the torture equipment. Sweat, blood, spit all kinds of body fluids could be released from the body… depending.
They must have suspected something, because of the holes in the back yard… I assume they were dug by the police. If not, there’s a good chance someone found him dead and took as much evidence as they could take in one trip.
When police stumble upon cases like these, they don’t think about laying low and hanging out to see who shows up. They put up the tape and flash their lights… alarm the whole neighborhood.
Very interesting reading…
All-
I agree. The DNA tests could not be back and therefore why announce closure of the case?
Regarding Hope’s thoughts on Danny being sold by the family potentially, I do not believe that is what happened here. Although, there are really only those 3 options when dealing with a non-family abduction:
1) child abducted by someone wanting a child
2) child abducted for nefarious means: sexual predator, retribution or to hurt the parents.
3) for personal gain.
Regarding Seitz scene, there’s more that I uncovered and have handed over to MPD; when they have had time to work through it I will post it.
Suffice it to say I truly do not think this case is being taken seriously and I think that is a big mistake and I intend to keep on this.. This guy contains every marker for the makings of a Child predator and very little is known about the specifics of what was found in that house. What is on the close to 300 videos?
Blink:
I was speaking about the old man that died. The one that used to tell the story of his abduction and about being forced to kill a young man… the one that said that he had been abducted at the zoo. I believe that he may have been sold and that’s why the crime was never reported. He, probably, grew up thinking that he had been abducted. He would have grown up to be an offender. Isn’t he the one that painted pictures of young men, or boys being tortured?
I believe that he may have fallen off the deep end. And I believe it possible that he could have abducted the 4 1/2 year old boy. I also believe that he would use torture to mold his victims into being so scared, they would never run away.
When assessing the obituary, I believe it is a cry for help from one of these boys that he abducted, tortured and sold to another man that poses as his ‘father’… maybe they made periodic visits.
‘Have you been good?’
‘Yes, Master.’
That is, in my opinion, the type of young man who would be writing these obituaries.
Hope it helps…
hope, Vernon Seitz could not have been sold if I understand your post, because I was able to verify his geneology, etc.. Regarding the memorial obit, I agree with you, and it was deleted completely, not even in archives, when this piece went to MPD, in advance of posting here. I read that to mean there is something to it..
Are you sure?
Just because there are records that a person existed, doesn’t mean much. Why would anyone make up a story like that about himself… and shouldn’t it be taken seriously when you find that this person had torture devices and 300 reels of XXX video tape in his home that he inherited from his ‘mother’?
P.S.
I’m glad you are pursuing this
Great minds think alike 8)…
Definitely, a cry for help.
Hope, absolutely it should be taken seriously, thus why I will not take “cas closed” for an answer; hopefully nobody else will either..
Yes, I am 100% positive Seitz is Vernon Seitz, short of a DNA comparison, but as you read, Im not sure some of the folks in the family might be happy about that..
I know for a fact the family of Danny Barter will not, and possibly others..
I think that some of the posters here are thinking that Seitz is the one that kidnapped Daniel.
Daniel was kidnapped in 1959. Seitz would have been, what,10 or maybe 11 years old. Maybe the story he told is true.
But, the thing to remember is that these people do tend to form their own ‘private’ relationships with what they perceive as their community. And, it does run in families. It also runs into extended families and pours over into the households of neighbors and friends.
This is a madman.
Have you done any searches into related crimes in the area of his home ie. sexual child abuse or abductions? Remember, there were 4 graves out there. I wouldn’t say anything to the family. Daniel could be alive and starting any sort of media circus could put lives at stake. imo
P.S. Don’t you just LOVE the name?
Suzie, thanks, that makes sense. He would have been 12 1/2.
HL is correct,There are many cases of child “crimes” originating from their abuses at an early age. Sadly, hL is also very correct about these people forming some sort of “community” that spills over, it runs in families through multi-generations as well.
I have learned that the profile of an offender that targets vics, has a specific proclivity profile, with the end intention of “not returning the victim” is very rare, but does reflect alot of the markers we are seeing here.
I agree on not starting a media circus, nobody wants that, just answers.
I reckon that the family ties to pedophilia go back to to family ties to the church and a bad priest. Blink, have you been able to locate any family history of church attendance? We know he was buried in a Catholic ceremony. We also know that the catholic church condoned molestation by moving and hiding priests that were offenders. When VS was a young boy there was relatively no reporting of these bad priests to LE. That’s my angle and I’m sticking to it.
Let’s do the simple math. A cooling off period for an SK is a few months average. Giving the benefit of the doubt, lets say 4 a year from 18 to 50. 128 spread out through IN, IL, WI, MN, and Iowa may not have been linked together in the 60′s through the 90′s. They were simpler times.
Just thinkin’ outloud
Red Ranger..
You may be right, I have no evidence to support the contrary on the priest issue. With regard to your probability and statistics, I fear you are correct, and we will eventually see this to be true.. One distinction though, their is a vast difference between a pedo that molests, and a pedo that abducts, abuses and murders, they are not of the same cloth, Blink says with pun intended.
B
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