RSSGwen Ifill VP Debate Moderator … I never told the Commission about the book … Conflict of Interest
How could any one be fair during a debate if one, they are a known liberal supporter and
two, purposely went out of their way not to disclose that they were writing a book that involved one of the Presidential candidates that would be an obvious conflict of interest.
The firestorm continues as the revelations of debate moderator Gwen Ifill’s soon to be released book,“Breakthrough: Politics and Race in the Age of Obama,” finally become known. Many have wondered why no one from the McCain campaign objected that Gwen Ifill not be the debate moderator for tonights Vice-Presidential Debate between Sarah Palin and Joe Biden? Many wondered how the Debate Commission would have kept her as a moderator with such a glaring conflict of interest. It is because neither they nor the Debate Commission knew, Gwen Ifill did not tell them.
The host of PBS’ “Washington Week” and senior correspondent on “The NewsHour” said she did not tell the Commission on Presidential Debates about the book. The commission had no immediate comment when contacted by The Associated Press. A spokeswoman for John McCain’s campaign did not immediately return phone and e-mail messages.
However, the question remains … and the readers can answer it themselves, why would someone knowingly not disclose a conflict of interest to a Debate Commission that would determine whether or not she was eligible to be moderator. Hmm … maybe she just forgot. In a day and age we are facing a $700 billion bail out package due so shading business practices and unethical behavior from politicians … why should Ifill’s actions be considered any different? A conflict of interest is just that … a conflict of interest.
So why would Ifill have kept such a glaring conflict a secret from the Debate Commission? Follow the money and the power. Ifill knowingly deceived those that would have most certainly had her step down as a debate moderator. However, if such an event occurred how could she prosper from her soon to be released book? As Hot Air states, Ifill has tried to say that her book has little to do with Obama, yet then why is the name of the book include “Age of Obama”?
And if there isn’t an “Age of Obama”, then doesn’t Ifill’s book title look rather … lame? This isn’t the most egregious foul committed in this campaign, but it’s an embarrassment for the CPD. With a financial stake in the election’s outcome, Ifill shouldn’t even be conducting interviews of the candidates, let alone moderating a debate.
- The Jawa Report: Let’s Play Ifill In The Blanks
- News Busters: Only ABC Highlights Debate Moderator Gwen Ifill’s Obama Book
What did we tell you the other day about daring to question Ifill and her monetary motives when it came to her moderating a debate while being in the tank for Obama and a financial incentive … you will be branded a racist. From MSNBC of course, another MSM outlet in the tank for Obama as well. Ifill questions why we would think her book is favorable to Obama? No its not because he is black … its because you are a bed wetting liberal and always have been. Once again the LEFT plays the race card.
Ifill questions why people assume that her book will be favorable toward Obama.
“Do you think they made the same assumptions about Lou Cannon (who is white) when he wrote his book about Reagan?” said Ifill, who is black. Asked if there were racial motives at play, she said, “I don’t know what it is. I find it curious.”
Posted October 2, 2008 by Scared Monkeys Barack Obama, Corruption, John McCain, Joseph Biden, Media Bias, Politics, Presidential Election 2008, WTF | 79 comments |
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FOUL!
Now, why would she NOT mention that her book is about Obama to the Presidential Debate Commission? Common sense tells the answer! Hmmm…..
i believe this would be racist to keep this knowledge from the debate comission.
Stop the bull!!! The GOP knew about her book back in Augest.Iam a repub but Iam not a cry baby!!!Stop crying!
I have three words for Gwen Ifill:
DISCLOSE
DISCLOSE
DISCLOSE
In that order!
Can you imagine what would have happened if this was the other way around?
The Debate Committee has chosen PHYLLIS SCHLAFFLY
to interview Sarah Palin and Joe Biden.
(Phyllis Schlaffley is a great American warrior for rights of the unborn. She is the Founder of The Schlaffley Report, a national, Conservative newsletter).
Republicans – The Party of Victims & Whiners
yoyo- a liberal quack who can’t take responsibility and needs “Big Brother” to have control over his life.
Get a life! Are you even American?
Jack – you are a crybaby. READ the FACTS, she did not disclose. It’s not McCain or Palin’s job to search Amazon. It was this woman’s DUTY to disclose the information at the VERY beginning and she didn’t. That’s the claim of foul…
McCain himself said (of course lunatics like yoyo won’t say it) he thought she’d do a professional job!
yoyo muffintop
Just get ready! You’ll be doing plenty of whining IF Emperor Obama is elected!
I almost hope he DOES get elected so people will see the F-I-A-S-C-O this country will become.
I love this country, but it will get what it deserves for being so gullible!
why are you pounding this point?brokaw was hand picked by mccain–you are just worried because palin is a trainwreck—
whiners ? ethics are ethics… no matter what business you are in.. appearances are everything.
Same kind of bs from Aruba..in the Natalee Holloway case..and speaking of Aruba..saw this comment on a site about France wanting UK to give them money for a bailout..
Banks want to be bailed out by the taxpayer?
Great!
Let them talk to the residents of Aruba, Jersey, Panama, the Cayman Islands, Monaco, Tonga, Switzerland and the other seventy or so tax-havens around the globe where they have been hiding their profits for god knows how many years…
Graham F, Watford, UK
NO BULL HERE. JUST A CONCERNED AMERICAN. WHAT ARE YOU GUYS? ILLEGAL ALIENS MAYBE?
Hope,,,,,Change,,,,,Hope…..Changeee.. Gonna fix the whole USA… and this is Chicago..
During his White House run Democrat Barack Obama has spoken often of the need for “change” and “reform,” but if there were ever a place in need of change and reform it is Obama’s Chicago.
That’s one of the telling points author David Freddoso makes in his new book “The Case Against Barack Obama.”
[Editor's Note: Get “The Case Against Barack Obama” FREE — Go Here Now].
Writing about the book for the Wall Street Journal, Fred Siegel — a contributing editor for the Manhattan Institute’s City Journal — observes that Freddoso describes “the tension between Mr. Obama’s public persona and his practical politics.
“The key, for Mr. Freddoso, is the Chicago world in which Mr. Obama made himself first a community organizer and then a state senator, before heading off to Washington in 2005. It is by viewing Chicago that the gap between Mr. Obama’s rhetoric about reform and his career as a conventional Chicago pol is most visible.”
And Chicago is a city in decline, Siegel notes:
In recent years the city has lost its two leading banks and thousands of jobs in the futures and commodities markets.
Chicago’s middle class continues to flee — between 2000 and 2006, 63,000 people left the city.
Chicago has the highest retail sales tax in the nation, 10.25 percent, and is the only city with a head tax on employment.
Corruption and crime continue to thrive — Chicago has a murder rate three times higher than New York’s.
Siegel writes: “And yet, Mr. Freddoso argues, reform for Mr. Obama ‘is something to discuss during election campaigns, not to be implemented or followed’ when it might jeopardize his ambitions.
Continuing his report on Freddoso’s book, Siegel writes: “By his own admission, Mr. Obama’s eyes were long on the prize of becoming the mayor of Chicago. Thus his willingness to make common cause with Tony Rezko, Allison Davis and Valerie Jarrett, locally wired political figures who did well for themselves by using state dollars to build publicly subsidized slums…
“What Mr. Obama did was unexceptional. He simply cultivated the people he needed to cultivate in order to climb the greasy pole of local preferment, giving beautiful speeches along the way.”
http://newsmax.com/insidecover/obama_chicago/2008/10/02/136744.html
Most people having minimum ethics would have refused the position of moderator knowing that it requires someone to be non partisan. Double this for someone with financial gain dependent upon the outcome. Unfortunately Ms Ifill demonstrates the low position now occupied by the Third Estate. If the Left wins, they will not need to censure the news, those such as Ms Ifill will do it as a matter of course. JS
McCain isn’t whining and complaining…he said according to CNN’S video that he thinks Sarah Palin will do just fine…she is intelligent, a strong person, full of energy and will attack anything that isn’t right for the people or the country…and not afraid to either…but I think Obama is running the dirtiest campaign I have even seen in my life….and if you Obama supporters take great pleasure in that then it’s time to legally do something about it…you have crossed all the boundaries…
There is site on line asking for petitioners to impeach Obama…they would much rather have Hillary…at least she has experience, unlike Obama, the community organizer, who has really done nothing…Could of been a preacher, he was taught by Rev Wright and raised even more hostility with the black race….
McCain said Sarah has accomplished more in her lifetime than either Obama or Biden…!!!
This is funny…
http://www.americanthinker.com/cartoons/?id=298
Prove this to us Jack – oh and don’t use Drudge’s source since the article only says that it was announced in July in several newspapers. Do you really believe the McCain campaign is responsible to have read every word ever printed in a couple newspapers? Why would the McCain campaign be interested in a back story on Gwen Iffl? After all, you would suspect that if someone has this conflict of interest would indeed have told the committee that chooses moderators.
Now Iffl tries to tell us the book really only has one chapter about Obama that hasn’t even been written. Gosh if that’s true, it sounds like the title is really misleading.
This is just setting up the post-debate narrative, wherein all Palin’s flubs will be due to Ifill’s obvious bias, even if she asks the two candidates the same question. As Couric did.
Just look at the interviews Palin has given – her first answer is usually just talking points, which usually is enough to not look completely clueless. She gets in trouble when there’s any minimum level of follow up that requires her to show any depth of understanding.
Non-troversy
Scott – how’s that tinfoil hat fitting today?
I see they let you use the computer at the Mental Hospital today.
**Scott believes Obama is the Anti-Christ and the world’s going to end in 2012** HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Is Bush an Illuminati as well?
Back to your rubber room Scott.
Brie:
I have one word for McCain…
Liar!
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Katablog:
Speaking of Newspapers…
Sarah says she reads ALL of them.
LOL!
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Just Kidding…
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So have they changed the mediator, yet?
Alaska Facts under Palin:
1.Since 1976, Alaska has ranked in the top five states in the nation for the highest rate of reported rape per capita. In 1993, Alaska ranked 1st in the nation: highest per capita incidence of rape.
Alaska has 6 times the national average of reported child sexual assault.
1 in 4 girls before the age of 12 and 1 in 6 boys before the age of 18 nationally will be sexually assaulted.
2.While only two bills were enacted, the states of Alaska and Hawaii, which have been the top two states in pork per capita every year but one since 2000, were served more then their fair share of bacon by Senators Ted Stevens (R-Alaska) and Daniel Inouye (D-Hawaii). In the defense appropriations bill alone, Alaska received $209,900,000, a 127 percent increase over the total of $92,425,000 in 2006.
3.Federal law prohibits aerial hunting of wolves, which can involve planes chasing wounded and terrified animals until they can’t run anymore. But a loophole allows Alaska to impose “airborne predator management” across 60,000 square miles. Palin sought last year to significantly raise the number of wolves killed under the program by putting a $150 bounty on dead wolves, until a judge blocked the payments.
Palin alarmed conservationists further last month when she came out against a ballot initiative that would have prohibited the discharge of toxic mining waste into some of the nation’s last wild-salmon rivers. The measure failed.
“Palin’s insistence that Arctic melting is ‘uncertain’ is like someone debating the theory of gravity as they plunge off a cliff,” Kieran Suckling, executive director of the Center for Biological Diversity, said in a recent statement.
Two years of record-breaking shrinkage of the sea ice has set off a global race for oil, gas, fishing and shipping rights in the newly navigable Arctic. That competition alarms scientists, who already have seen an increase in the number of polar bears denning perilously near the busy oil fields of the North Slope.
Just as worried are Alaska’s Inupiat Natives, who depend on the icy coastal waters for the bowhead whales and seals that have been mainstays of their existence for generations.
Her letter on polar bears:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/05/opinion/05palin.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
Palin recently billed her state taxpayers 60k for travel and at home pay, husband has DUI, pregnant unwed teen daughter, potential rumors of being a member of the Alaska Independent party, etc. Household income is just below 250k, I’m sure all middle class hockey moms can relate to this.
Yeah, she looks pretty much the same as the other guy to me.
Not worth 2 cents.
Predator management has been a combination of aerial count with permits issued for a long time. No one chases wolves with planes. People depend on the animals wolves feed upon for food, so the wolf population is watched and permits issued to contain that population.
The entire question concerning discharge for mining has been under attack for many years with ignorant people such as your self demanding no discharge at all. People live on the salmon, nobody is going to allow destructive discharge.
Nanook goes where it wants to go. No accurate population estimates exist because they do not follow any specific pattern. We really do not know what their population is. They do hunt seal so finding them after seal is most likely.
Ted Stevens is a Democrat in Republican clothing and everyone in Alaska knows it. Same for Don Young. Palin is against them.
Alaska consists of more than one culture but can be generally broken into 2 parts. A very cosmopolitan city structure with a high percentage of educated professionals, which Wasilla (bedroom community for Anchorage) is a part and bush communities where alcohol and drugs are a large problem. Sadly this has produced abusive behavior noted by you.
Where ever you live, I am certain that the population of Anchorage is a great deal more educated with a better world understanding than that place happens to be..JS
John Stanton, where I live,, the parks let people draw randomly to hunt for deer on occasion. When the population of one animal becomes a problem,such as killing off other animals or damage to crops, a hazard to traffic, they let people hunt them to decrease the population. The wolf in Alaska is killing off other animals.. and many place aren’t accessible by any other vehicle, but air travel. My understanding is the wolf was killing off all the caribou and moose.
The travel thing is a non issue.. She got rid of the jet.
The husband and underage child is a non issue to me..
Husband had a DUI 20 years ago.. Obama admits to using marijuana, cocaine, and alcohol in high school. Neither matter to me.. The daughter chose not to have an abortion.. non issue..
Ted Stevens is under investigation .. not a fan..
Women of all ethnicities are raped: American Indian/Alaska Native women are most likely to report a rape and Asian/Pacific Islander the least likely. (National Institute of Justice 1998)
Only 16% of rapes are reported, so who knows the actual statistics. Rape is a serious problem in the United States today. The United States has the highest rape rate among countries which report such statistics. It is 4 times higher than that of Germany, 13 times higher than that of England and 20 times higher than that of Japan.
Place to call in Alaska if you are a rape victim.
http://www.staralaska.com/scripts/home.asp
Maria Comella, a McCain-Palin campaign spokeswoman, said Palin “does not believe, nor has she ever believed, that rape victims should have to pay for an evidence-gathering test.” To suggest otherwise, she said, is a “misrepresentation of her commitment to supporting victims and bringing violent criminals to justice.”
As governor, Palin has worked in a variety of ways to tackle the problem of sexual assault and rape, including making domestic violence a priority of her administration, Comella said. Alaska routinely has the nation’s highest rate of sexual assault.
http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/523708.html
i don’t think these whining cry-baby blogs represent much people anyway.
these blogs copy everything from eachother every day.
people who buy crap aren’t undecided voters.
they’ve made their mind up a long time ago.
and think Obama wears a burka at home.
i doubt they even know how to vote anyway.
these blogs must have for the each of the remaining 30 days at least one fake outrage a day.
every once in a while such a fake outrage hits the MSM and gets thrown in the bin straight away.
and if it doesn’t reach the MSM it is because of the ‘liberal biased media’.
that’s another fake outrage by the way.
to make this McCain/Palin trainwreck ticket look like it is a match to the Obama/Biden ticket would be fiction.
that’s something for Hollywood, not for news media.
every day i look forward to what they are suddenly outraged about just for entertainment.
keep them coming please.
and continue it after the election.
Patti(Fox Lady)….McCain is not a liar!!!!An American hero and you call him a liar..!!! You stink!!!
Albert Einstein defined insanity as “doing the same thing over and over while expecting a different result”. The model of the National Democratic Party is identical to that of Juan Peron. This is a National Socialist agenda. Add into it the Obama Youth requirement of conscription starting at the age of 10 with indoctrination in camps required for a period of 10 years following, we now have Hitler. WAKE UP! This model leads to only one end!!! If these people gain control, the “blessings of Liberty” will be taken from us and denied to our children!
i don’t think these whining cry-baby blogs represent much people anyway.
sure cut down on the tourism to Aruba huh?
and if it doesn’t reach the MSM it is because of the ‘liberal biased media’.
that’s another fake outrage by the way.
that is too funny.. the msm admits to being liberal.. it’s a fact.. you watch too much MSNBC ranked 23 on cable shows. CNN.. 9 .. Fox is number 4..
John Staton:
I lived in Alaska and I can assure you, they hunt wolves and other species by airplane. They’ve been doing it for years and many people have been against it… but it still goes on.
They shoot them from planes and take their hides, leaving the rest to be consumed by nature. Their fur is beautiful, and it was real tempting, when I lived there to buy wolf jacket; but couldn’t find it in my conscience to do so.
Alaska is our last frontier. It is a very important part of our ecological system, and it’s delicate. The rivers used to be pink because of all the salmon that ran in its’ rivers. The Northern Lights are a sight to see, like no other. The glaciers, the lakes and the bountiful valleys are a sight to behold. Cabbage can grow to 10′ in diameter! Alaska, along with the caribou, the moose and several different kinds of bears, including the brown bear which can grow to 10′ tall are all a beauty to behold.
Yeah, there are educated people there; but there are ignorant ones, as well. What 2 Cents says is true and every spring as the ice melts womens bodies are washed down from the hills surrounding Anchorage. They blame it on cabin fever, but I would venture to guess that many of them are prostitutes as the city is FULL of them. Their bars and strip clubs open at 7am and close at 5am. Alcohol abuse runs rampant.
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Thank you 2 Cents Worth!
btw are you whining?
Get this -
Brie just posted this comment:
McCain said Sarah has accomplished more in her lifetime than either Obama or Biden…!!!
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Only SHE would believe such a statement.
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Hey, Brie?
You call Obama our ‘Saviour’…
Does that mean McCain is your ‘Golden Boy’?
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YUCK!
Sarah Palin did great..
I think Gwen did an excellent job. The debate was fair, she showed no favoritism one way or the other. She has shown that journalism can rise above any special interests.
I also think that Sarah did an excellent job. I was impressed with her ability to speak to the American people. Biden was brilliant, especially, in the portion of the debate dealing with foreign policies. To say that Sarah has the experience of one that has served in the Senate for over 30 years is a joke. But I do like her.
The theme in her debate was something that I spoke about a very long time ago… and that is the exploration of oil in Alaska. It’s obvious why McCain chose her and while I don’t support the drilling of more oil in Alaska, there is no doubt in my mind that, with Sarah, there is always that possibility. She gleams from ear to ear at the mention of it… and it matters little who the president is, she would allow it.
In my opinion, it is the war and the surge of domination that has been raged upon Iraq that divides this country and we are ready for change. I trust Obama, and trust Biden even more…
It is the winning ticket!
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Something to smile about…
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Hello from Michigan,
I hope that they decide to come back to Michigan. It was too early to leave us behind. Yeah McCain/Palin. Liberals run this state and we are in the pits–really in the pits. Gross unemployment, businesses failing, people leaving en mass all because we are in a state run by Democrats who are anti-business and think the way to prosperity is to raise taxes–Duh. Get real America we experience daily the bad policies of the liberals (communists/socialists).
Go McCain/Palin. We have met the enemy and they are us. We have fought this enemy around the world. Let’s fight it here by voting in “McCain/Palin” change.
#8 – Scott- HAHAHAHAH !!! Loved your post. Any chance to slam yoyo’s head upside a wall and attempt to knock some sense into him when he spews his rhetoric is fun witness indeed.
#30- Maggie =) <——- Grinning
IMHO, Gwen I. was just fine in the debate, very professional but I do see the point in this post.
Only poll I’ve found so far..looking for others:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26995439
John, I’m sorry facts offend you, but I live in a totally uneducated state and we wonder as we look at the Chesepeake Bay what the other side is thinking and what they are doing…..kinda like Russia to Alaska.
She was there during those facts and never changed them. Her only change came in the form of monetary amounts. So forgive me for wondering just what she is going to do for me other than take me back 50 years.
I get it’s hard for you to believe that women think of other things than money. Like wolves, bears, women, children and taxes, but we do. Now please slam me as you do, you are good for 5 minutes, my life goes on.
As I melt from global warming I will continue to eat my mercury free fish looking at endangered species raising children with free minds to read any book knowing that they were raised with good morals based upon human kind that tells them to not drink and drive and use condoms with questionable sex partners as they keep up with the government that allows free markets to steal their future. JMO
Hey I don’t know about anyone else but, I resemble I mean resent that remark about Joe Six Pack America!!??!!
Poster #20, do you expect that a governor, or any other politician, has a magic wand to wave?
Are you saying that the degree to which the crime of rape takes place in Alaska is the result of Sarah Palin being governor of the state, or being from the state, or is in any way related to her?
What an asinine idea. Let me share a secret with you … politicians do not move heaven and earth.
Getting on to matters of interest to intelligent people … did anyone detect any obvious or subtle bias in the moderator of the Biden-Palin debate? I didn’t.
I agree, however, that this person, having written her book, should not have been running the debate. And that her failure to alert the commission to the book is a flat-out violation of journalistic ethics, should there be any left.
So what is the consensus on this debate?
To my mind, Biden clearly came off as more used to this format. He had a more forceful delivery and, I thought, had a better grasp of facts … or, at least, was ready to come out with specifics.
Palin began more nervously … no surprise there, given that Biden is used to being in the national spotlight and has acquired the oratorical skills that any Senate windbag can be expected to acquire.
I guess what I’m saying is that Biden fit what, in our media-centric age, is the image that politicians are expected to fill. He was on the attack.
I thought his repeated attempts to associate McCain with the Bush administration (thereby, of course, indicating that there isn’t “a dime’s worth of difference”) was too obvious.
But Palin’s repeated use of the word “maverick” got to be too much.
However, I wonder to what extent her “anti-political image,” so to speak, will appeal to the audience. I suspect that the media and the people who make their living by commenting on politics will lambaste her up and down … but as she said, she appreciated the opportunity to speak directly to the American people, in circumstances where they aren’t told what they are supposed to be thinking.
I think that (besides the fears of what may happen in the economy) if Americans are as sick of the professional politicians as we seem to be, then that is the best chance for the McCain-Palin ticket.
And while, as was said, nobody ends up voting for the vice presidential candidate, to me Palin did come across as outside of the usual political mold. Maybe not the most polished performer on TV, but I for one don’t think that a TV performance is really the essential skill.
So, in my view, the extent to which the McCain-Palin ticket can convince people that they mean to shake things up will determine the election.
So what I’m saying is, Biden may have better fit the mold of conventional politician. Do people really want a TV performer, or do they want change? The latter is the best hope for Palin.
Richard, asinine? Belittling women into paying for their own rape kits breeds insult to injury. With your thought process it’s no wonder her teen is unwed and pregnant. You are a great champion of Eve. But I don’t feel you or the others are being sexist at all. Heaven and earth no, but family values as to honoring womens roles and positions on earth yes.
I’m sorry again if facts offend you people. And yes I do believe a Mayor/Governor has a responsibility to value every citizen regardless of sex or age regarding sexual abuse. Gee, it certainly cuts the crime rate. I would give one wolf or bears life for a rapist or child rapist. But I guess my sex is not intelligent enough to count.
But since you and John can only seem to focus on one issue posted at a time I will go on.
I thought the debate was great. Ifill did a wonderful job and actually showed bias to Palin so get over it.
Fox poll had Palin winning 86%..
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SM: YES! Actually when I checked on Greta’s blog it was 90% Palin (klaasend)
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3596.0
So far, the reaction that I’ve seen is that Palin at the very least held her own against Biden.
The other point most made is that nobody is likely to be swayed in their vote by this debate.
Meanwhile, at least we’re not at this stage, yet:
BANGKOK (Reuters) – An underdog in Sunday’s election for governor of Bangkok punched and kicked a television journalist Thursday, saying he was provoked by tough questions during a live interview.
Chuvit Kamolvisit, dubbed Bangkok’s massage parlor king by the Thai press, later apologized for losing his temper and assaulting host Visarn Dilokwanich after the interview.
“I admit I did it. I couldn’t stand it when he humiliated me on air,” said Chuvit, a stocky former bodybuilder who owned a strip of girly bars before entering politics a few years ago.
“What I did was a petty crime and I am happy to pay the fine for elbowing him and kicking him,” Chuvit said at his campaign headquarters next to a park he built and gave to the public.
Visarn filed a complaint with police, saying Chuvit had “behaved like a thug.”
“He was very upset when I told him during the show that what he said off-air and on-air was totally different,” Visarn said, showing reporters bruises on his neck and head.
Richard says….”So, in my view, the extent to which the McCain-Palin ticket can convince people that they mean to shake things up will determine the election.”
That’s right on the money.
Consensus on debate-I’m impressed at what “quick study” Palin is in being totally up to speed in 5 weeks. She did well.
I also feel Biden did well……the human factor there, was when referring to one of his Son’s going overseas and he got choked up….it is nice to see the human side to politicians.
But all in all, Richard’s sentence above is hitting the nail on the head. We’ll have to wait and see. If we can just get through tommorrow and Congress passing a bill for the “bailout”…that will be a little progress itself. In which direction…ugh….remains to be seen.
My Lord were you guys watching the same debate as me ?
Even comments on CNN from The Public ( not paid employees) said she did awful. I saw several republicans turned Obama. If you folks think she could be a qualified VP this country’s in serious trouble.
I don’t know where those stats from above come from, I myself could not find them but here a fact I did find (CNN) — “A national poll of people who watched the vice presidential debate Thursday night suggests that Democratic Sen. Joe Biden won”
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SM: What else would one expect from the liberal MSM? Anyone who is honest who watched the debate saw that Gov. Sarah Palin won the debate. This is why Palin so scared the living daylights out of Dems and liberals and why they feel the need to destroy her. She resonates with Americans … people are tired of politicians … Palin is the real CHANGE!
R
2 Cents:
Don’t let these people get to you. Some of them live in a bubble where they can make-up their own reality as they go along. I hear you, plain and clear. It’s just hard for the average person to know what it’s like in Alaska where, the last time I checked, the ratio for men to women was 5 to 1.
Don’t even bother trying to tell them about the beauty of Alaska and its’ wildlife. Some people think of Alaska as a huge ice cube that should have oil pumps all over it.
They have no regard to ecological issues like global warming, or the protection of animals that are ONLY found there, in what many call God’s country. As for trading in a bear or a wolf to stop a rapist or a child molester, I agree with you 100%.
Please, don’t get frustrated. Believe in what you write, try to help where you can and avoid having your feelings hurt. Chances are, you’re never going to change anyone’s mind… because they’re too busy trying to make themselves feel that they’re right and everyone else is wrong.
If they don’t call you a name, or cut you down to the ground; you haven’t made an impression.
LOL!
Hang in there!
So, 2 Cents:
Do you agree that the introduction of Sarah into this presidential race is based on her willingness to exploit Alaska’s natural resources? How do the average citizens, in Alaska, feel about having another pipeline built and allowing off-shore drilling? Sounds disastrous to me. But, then, again, I’m a tree hugger and a polar bear lover.
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SM: It is the people of Alaska who are for the drilling. In economic bad times it creates those all important thing called jobs.
It also does that other really bad thing that the LEFT seems to be against, energy independence!
Do we need alternative energy methods, you betcha! But unitl that day happens we need a bridge to it. That bridge is oil and natural gas. We also need clean coal and nuclear.
We need a diversified portfolio of energy so that America becomes INDEPENDENT from those countries who do not have our best interests. That only makes sense.
R
P.S.
Richard’s usually a pretty nice guy.
I think you caught him out of character.
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Night…
I think Sarah did very well…quite likeable indeed….I would of rather seen Hillary and Biden on the Democratic ticker, at least it would of made some sense….
#46. Alesia— I don’t give a rat’s ass what CNN reported or the sound bytes they aired on other’s opinions of the debate. Give me a break, will you?
Yes, we were all watching the same debate and I do believe we are all entitled to our own opinions on performance and content, aren’t we?
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Joe Biden was to me, to be perfectly honest–probably the winner by a small degree. His years of experience speaks for itself. In this sense…since Obama has absolutely NO FORIEGN AFFAIRS/MILITARY/DEFENSE E-X-P-E-R-I-E-N-C-E (operative Noun there) I would have to say Obama made the correct choice in Biden. Obama is painfully aware in these times & with a war now still winding down but not over–this is an area which he is devoid of any EXPERIENCE. (There’s that word again.) That is damn scary to me, Folks.
JMO, but Sen. Biden was engaging, informative, and stead-fast while not overbearing (which is probably a first for him- but again…look at the platform.) Biden was also very complimentary to Gov. Palin’s performance ..translation = Class act (which also surprised me ) and seemed sincere. ….A couple of times when Palin was just knocking off rebuttal after rebuttal and doing a fine job in representing the McCain/Palin ticket, you could clearly catch that twinkle in his eyes and an affirming grin of admiration and respect that Palin got up there and held her own. I think he was impressed and this was his challenger.
Biden the winner by a smidge. Still for me anyways, I simply refuse to see the Obama/Biden ticket as anything other than what it truly is… a Wolf in Sheep’s clothing/= a National Socialist agenda. Period. Thanks, but no Thanks!
Our Government has enough problems as it is–so I will go with REFORM and a President whom I believe will put our Country first. This debate to me also gives me a certain comfort level that no matter who wins the honor of being President–both candidates have chosen individuals who both can step up to the plate and get the job done. I would view both Biden or Palin as extremely competent & capable, and would have no qualms with either of them being President.
Lastly, my pologies for length of post–but come Nov. 4th…I’m just praying that millions of other Americans will see the light and select the lesser of 2 evils….as poster “Richard” points out…
… “politicians do not move heaven and earth!”-
This is probably one of the most important elections of the last few decades…let’s get it right, America.
***McCain/Palin ’08
Having been an Alaskan for 19 years, working all over the main part of the State, in professional capacities I know the relative actions concerning the wild life protection and control as well as the concern of people living on subsistence. I have known members of Tribal councils and members of enforcement.
The Alaskan Federation of Natives strongly supports oil exploration and development as it is the future of their people. Education and employment comes from this.
Substance abuse does lead to death where it is below 0 F in the winter. Just like in all large Northern cities in the lower 48. JS
To the new girl, I was talking in reference to another comment made with the stats. I don’t believe I asked you. You’re very impressive with that foul language, that should make your party look much better to the american people. So since we’re posting opinions you said Palin was a quick study, I guess anyone could be a quick study when their READING what someone wants them to say, because they apparently don’t understand whats going on. I had to get up and refill my coffee while she AVOIDED some questions and starts talking about her family tree and lesbian friends.
And I don’t appreciate the unfair biased moderator who left out some of my comment, then critiques me. (But fowl language welcome) I thought we are posing OPINIONS. I didn’t know I was on republicanland.net, I thought it was scaredmonkeys.com.
Quoth poster #42:
“With your thought process it’s no wonder her teen is unwed and pregnant. You are a great champion of Eve.”
Not sure what this is supposed to mean.
But the point I wanted to make was … you seemed to be saying that the incidence of rape in Alaska was high, and that this can be blamed on Palin.
Isn’t that a bit of a superficial judgement? Or are you an advocate of the view that every ill in society can be blamed on the person in office?
As I said, politicians are not gifted with a magic wand to wave and solve every issue.
One thing I forgot to mention last night … I frankly thought that Biden’s smirking grins and other mannerisms were a bit patronizing, as though he were trying to intimate: “How dare does this newcomer to politics debate ME!”
I found that to be offensive and condescending … I got the impression that he might have patted Sarah Palin on the head, had he dared.
Of course, Sarah Palin is not a newcomer to politics … but she is a newcomer to Washington.
And the Washington circle, always expanding, always siphoning off more and more of the country’s wealth to the city by the Potomac, thinks that what it wants is what matters.
I am thinking that what we need in this country is a return to a kind of federalism … decide what things only the federal government can do, and remember that the states are responsible for the other things.
And that includes finances. Somehow, we have to drop the idea that Washington is an always-open checkbook, and that the answer to every problem is for the government to spend more money.
There’s only one slate of candidates that I can see pushing this idea. That’s why this race is indeed so important … we are still at the brink of disaster, it seems. A shakeup in the way that we do things is needed.
Shoot wolves from airplanes? That is one heck of a shot!
Iffl was a poor hostess, why?
Because she knew the subjects, and was not prepared to correct misstatements as to what one had said or how one voted. The records of Congress are very clear and readily available as is case for Governor. America deserves to hear the record when questionable statements are made. Especiallly a couple made by Biden. But of course none of these people have the courage to do that.
The worst thing is that none of them are or can be impartial.
Under such lacks, debate is useless because it isn’t corrected. There are those who can be impartial.
Dick D.
Rusty:
There have been NUMEROUS documentaries about the hunting of wolves in Alaska… Their numbers are declining, rapidly.
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John Staton:
I don’t believe everything I read on the internet. Rather, I believe in my own personal experiences. If you had any friends in ‘Tribal’ Councils, you would be aware of native concerns. Obviously, you’re not one with an understanding of their love and dependence upon the salmon runs, the migration of the whale and their despise of ‘outsiders’ and exploitation. Putting them on our welfare systems and filling their guts with alcohol have not completely silenced the spirit within.
I suggest you make some phone calls, on this one, because you are dead wrong.
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Richard:
I found Biden to be courteous with the newcomer. I didn’t detect any egotistical dignity being shot in her direction. In fact, there were many times that she didn’t even answer the question that she was asked. She had her script and her list of things that she wanted to cover. He was patient and kind with her as was Gwen.
In my opinion, he won. But one must understand that this is a choice that we all make, independently, in our own living rooms. We are listening for the one that says the things that win our hearts over and is leading this nation into the direction that we want to go.
It’s all a personal choice… and one that can’t be argued. The outcome will come in, what, 30 days?
I think compared to Couric, Ifill was actually fair after all. I mean, Couric is a nasty hag in the making. I believe regardless of her personal views, at least Ifill can allow herself to appear impartial. We cannot say that for “America’s Sweethog” Ms. Couric!
What exactly are the experiences that you have other than making the people of Alaska into some sort of cartoon people? One thing for certain we have worked with and for the people of Alaska accomplishing a great deal more for and with them than you could imagine. JS
Foxy Lady (#61) … What I meant was, his body language and that insufferable grin. That is what I found condescending, as if he were trying to send the message: “Just look at this nice little lady trying to play in the big leagues.”
However, not everyone reacted in the way I do.
And you are right … the proof of the pudding is in the eating. I doubt very much that this debate will shape anyone’s vote … in fact, I don’t think the debates will sway many people at all, barring something really extraordinary.
john staton on October 3rd, 2008 4:44 pm
What exactly are the experiences that you have other than making the people of Alaska into some sort of cartoon people? One thing for certain we have worked with and for the people of Alaska accomplishing a great deal more for and with them than you could imagine. JS
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John Staton:
LMAO!
I lived in Alaska while my husband worked on the pipeline for Morrison-Knudson-Rivers. He was stationed in Alyeska. What is your experience… besides trying to make people on this website into cartoon characters?
And, please, who are ‘we’? Are there two of you that have accomplished a great deal for and with them? I have a big imagination and a wonderful sense of humor…
So, please do tell.
Were you a telephone solicitor?
Personally, anyone that doesn’t know how wolves are hunted or how important the salmon are to the natives, couldn’t have done much for the great people of Alaska… and if you look around, you’ll see that I’m right.
Welcome to all our posters from Alaska!
Don’t let the big, bad apes scare you off… there really are a few nice people here.
Richard:
You’d think it was Christmas time the way these people are at each other’s throats. Geesh! I make one little comment on Alaska and I get the telephone solicitor of the month on my back…
I hope he doesn’t have my phone number!
What EXACTLY is your experience?!?!
I should’ve told him I was a stripper and proud of it!
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Anyway, it’s late…
I’ll e-mail you tomorrow.
Ahhhhh…
I get it!
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Posted by 2 Cents…
Alaska Facts under Palin:
1.Since 1976, Alaska has ranked in the top five states in the nation for the highest rate of reported rape per capita. In 1993, Alaska ranked 1st in the nation: highest per capita incidence of rape.
Alaska has 6 times the national average of reported child sexual assault.
1 in 4 girls before the age of 12 and 1 in 6 boys before the age of 18 nationally will be sexually assaulted.
2.While only two bills were enacted, the states of Alaska and Hawaii, which have been the top two states in pork per capita every year but one since 2000, were served more then their fair share of bacon by Senators Ted Stevens (R-Alaska) and Daniel Inouye (D-Hawaii). In the defense appropriations bill alone, Alaska received $209,900,000, a 127 percent increase over the total of $92,425,000 in 2006.
3.Federal law prohibits aerial hunting of wolves, which can involve planes chasing wounded and terrified animals until they can’t run anymore. But a loophole allows Alaska to impose “airborne predator management” across 60,000 square miles. Palin sought last year to significantly raise the number of wolves killed under the program by putting a $150 bounty on dead wolves, until a judge blocked the payments.
Palin alarmed conservationists further last month when she came out against a ballot initiative that would have prohibited the discharge of toxic mining waste into some of the nation’s last wild-salmon rivers. The measure failed.
“Palin’s insistence that Arctic melting is ‘uncertain’ is like someone debating the theory of gravity as they plunge off a cliff,” Kieran Suckling, executive director of the Center for Biological Diversity, said in a recent statement.
Two years of record-breaking shrinkage of the sea ice has set off a global race for oil, gas, fishing and shipping rights in the newly navigable Arctic. That competition alarms scientists, who already have seen an increase in the number of polar bears denning perilously near the busy oil fields of the North Slope.
Just as worried are Alaska’s Inupiat Natives, who depend on the icy coastal waters for the bowhead whales and seals that have been mainstays of their existence for generations.
Her letter on polar bears:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/05/opinion/05palin.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
Palin recently billed her state taxpayers 60k for travel and at home pay, husband has DUI, pregnant unwed teen daughter, potential rumors of being a member of the Alaska Independent party, etc. Household income is just below 250k, I’m sure all middle class hockey moms can relate to this.
Yeah, she looks pretty much the same as the other guy
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2 Cents?… Priceless!
Justmy2cents on October 2nd, 2008 4:35 pm
Alaska Facts under Palin:
1.Since 1976, Alaska has ranked in the top five states in the nation for the highest rate of reported rape per capita. In 1993, Alaska ranked 1st in the nation: highest per capita incidence of rape.
Alaska has 6 times the national average of reported child sexual assault.
1 in 4 girls before the age of 12 and 1 in 6 boys before the age of 18 nationally will be sexually assaulted.
2.While only two bills were enacted, the states of Alaska and Hawaii, which have been the top two states in pork per capita every year but one since 2000, were served more then their fair share of bacon by Senators Ted Stevens (R-Alaska) and Daniel Inouye (D-Hawaii). In the defense appropriations bill alone, Alaska received $209,900,000, a 127 percent increase over the total of $92,425,000 in 2006.
3.Federal law prohibits aerial hunting of wolves, which can involve planes chasing wounded and terrified animals until they can’t run anymore. But a loophole allows Alaska to impose “airborne predator management” across 60,000 square miles. Palin sought last year to significantly raise the number of wolves killed under the program by putting a $150 bounty on dead wolves, until a judge blocked the payments.
Palin alarmed conservationists further last month when she came out against a ballot initiative that would have prohibited the discharge of toxic mining waste into some of the nation’s last wild-salmon rivers. The measure failed.
“Palin’s insistence that Arctic melting is ‘uncertain’ is like someone debating the theory of gravity as they plunge off a cliff,” Kieran Suckling, executive director of the Center for Biological Diversity, said in a recent statement.
Two years of record-breaking shrinkage of the sea ice has set off a global race for oil, gas, fishing and shipping rights in the newly navigable Arctic. That competition alarms scientists, who already have seen an increase in the number of polar bears denning perilously near the busy oil fields of the North Slope.
Just as worried are Alaska’s Inupiat Natives, who depend on the icy coastal waters for the bowhead whales and seals that have been mainstays of their existence for generations.
Her letter on polar bears:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/05/opinion/05palin.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
Palin recently billed her state taxpayers 60k for travel and at home pay, husband has DUI, pregnant unwed teen daughter, potential rumors of being a member of the Alaska Independent party, etc. Household income is just below 250k, I’m sure all middle class hockey moms can relate to this.
Yeah, she looks pretty much the same as the other guy to me.
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To reiterate what someone else says, is a compliment!
Part of the list of what we did, husband and wife.
As Minority Business Coordinator, worked with Native owned businesses to improve their business practices and open doors for the growth of their businesses. Arranged for members of the Alaska Natives Federation to receive advanced business training at Universities including Mr Adams attending Dartmouth.
Set up Medical/Dental programs for Bush villages such as Hooper Bay, Mountain Village and others. Monitored the improvement of health and dental status of the children in Alaska villages. Provided instruction to villagers on direct first aide training. Including their becoming certified trainers for other villages.
Participated in planning and participation of Alaska Native cultural events in Anchorage and Fairbanks.
Acted as not named consultant to the Tananna council. Helping them receive their just rights from the oil companies.
We can go on and on. Beyond making many friendships we positively effected their health, well being and ability to work in the 21st Century. We grew to understand their desires and their culture far better than someone “stationed at Ayeska” a ski resort!
John Staton:
Alyeska is not only a ski resort. It is a common name for alot of things in Alaska. My husband worked in Glenallen.
I’m surprised that, with your attitude, you could help anyone. Cutting down people seems to be your specialty. Someone comes to post information about Sarah Palin’s record as Mayor and Governor and you want to come off as the expert on EVERYTHING having to do with Alaska. I don’t think there’s enough room on this whole page for your ego. So, maybe you would have been better off as a telephone solicitor!
Like 2 Cents says:
BASH me!
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Oh… and by the way, do the research. Everything that 2 Cents said about Sarah Palin’s record of supporting the bars and clubs staying open until 5 a.m and fighting to allow people to carry loaded weapons into these clubs is a matter of fact, not fiction. So how do you think that affects the health and well-being of the average “Joe Six-Pack” in Alaska? I’m not a doctor, or a nurse; but it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure THAT one out!
And, yes, Alaska ranks #1 in our great nation for rape against women and children… Maybe she needs to REALLY clean up the corruption in Alaska, instead of looking the other way, firing people in law enforcement and putting people’s lives at risk. People can say whatever they want about themselves, but the facts will, eventually, catch up with them.
She also is a member of the Independent Party which supports the notion that Alaska should be independent of the U.S… a country unto itself. So, let our taxpayers pay to build their pipelines and she can be the first one in line to charge us for the oil and gas that comes from those pipes, as a foreign entity, just like Iran, Iraq and all the others.
Smart Lady…
but,
Smarter Voters!
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Note: All this information was made available BEFORE her nomination as Vice President and is not part of a smear campaign.
Let HER record speak for itself!
And let’s give credit where credit is due:
Thank you Simon!
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Simon on October 3rd, 2008 4:53 pm
Palin was rude to the moderator, rude to Biden, she answered off topic many of the questions from the moderator(which woould cause her to lose points if she were on a debate team), she had poor knowledge of foreign affairs and the economy, she had no clue to the meaning of the term “Achilles heel” and she answered that question wrong, when she doesn’t know the answer to a question she states that it is because she is a Washington outsider, she states that she values education yet even with Alaska’s huge surplus they have one of the worse literacy rates in the country and her older kids aren’t college bound, her phoney down home behavior and language is a mask for her lack of knowledge and an insult to intelligent rural oriented people, she talked of warm and wonderful Wasilla but failed to mention that it is the meth capital of Alaska and that she fired a police chief who wanted the bars closed at 2AM instead of 5 and she also fired him because he wanted to change the law that allowed people to carry concealed weapons in a bar, she uses tha baby as a prop, and “you betcha” that she secretly supports the goals of the Alaska Independence Party as does her husband. She was so intent in not having a baby in the lower 48 that at 8 months pregnant and after her water broke in Texas while at a conference with her husband, she boarded a plane for a 10 hour flight back to Alaska to have the baby there. I don’t know of any other soccer, hockey, PTA , or NRA mother who would have risked the life of their unborn child with that unnecessary trip especially AFTER her water broke. Sara Palin, thank you but no thank you.
We have actually been contributing citizens in our lives. Morrison-Knudson-Rivers was a small project and if that was all that you did, your husband must not have had any transferable skills. Know Glen Allen well, many friends there and in Kenny Lake. Many good hard working people, don’t know any strippers though. One thing obvious here, you know absolutely nothing about Alaska or its people. JS
Morrison-Knudson-Rivers was a contractor for the Trans-Continental Pipeline… yeah, real small project. He’s an engineer… so I guess you’re right… No TRANSFERABLE skills.
F’ing IDIOT!
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I still have relatives there, too, that have been there since the ’60′s, aunts, uncles, cousins…but they can’t be counted as people… only cartoon characters!
LMAO!!!
Go sell your shit to someone who cares…
We don’t like people who are smart by association. And, to be frank with you, it’s none of your business what we have done in our lives. We don’t have to blow our horn on a blog to make ourselves feel important!
I’ll GIVE it to you:
YOU KNOW EVERYTHING!!!
But, Sarah Palin doesn’t!
Sorry…
Your five minutes are up!
Good Day…
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There is no Trans-Continental Pipeline. Alyeska Pipeline Service Co, Now BP Pipeline is operator of TAPS. The project you mentioned lasted 3 years ending with the major line construction still in full swing. 1st oil was the end of 1977. Anyone with a marketable skill found great employment for many years following on “the line” and “at the Slope”. At the same time living in The Great Land. This especially if you have advanced technical education. I should know having been a supervisor. Hate to think of the quality of a professional engineer that could not find great employment at that time!!!
You see, you cannot fool all of the people all of the time. Quit while you are still way behind!
But, Mr. Staton…
We were from Oregon and Colorado…
We didn’t want to stay in Alaska.
So… we moved.
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My husband was a mechanical engineer.
Not one of those faulty welders my husband told me about…
And… our family went on to work in the camps.
While we finished our educations
and looked for our fortune elsewhere.
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Too Fast, for such a small place…
Not the place for Newlyweds.
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Wake up Mr. Staton…
You live in a dream world!
Besides, why is it that you seek me out?
Are you a telephone solicitor?
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Hello!
Can I interest you in a pair of glasses?
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Thanks, no…
I see just fine
or like Sarah Palin would say:
“My Eyes are Just Fine and Dandy”
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Ta Ta!
#54- Alesia. Wow….you’re wound up pretty tight, aren’t you ?!?
You certainly are entitled to your own opinion, and any blogger on here is also entitled to post freely. By me simply posting the word “ass”= I don’t believe I have violated anything or anyone…I was merely using a bit of drama to make a point.
Last but not least- of course you are also welcome to think & vote freely and have your own opinion about Sara Palin, too. It seems to me- you don’t like attractive, strong & competent which is also your right.
I’d like to point out, no matter what your political leaning, I have been a blogger on this site since 2005 and the moderators are not and have never been biased. Sorry you feel that way.
Relax, Alesia- and have a glass of wine. If you don’t drink, then that’s too bad. I would offer another suggestion to you to release some of your obvious tensions—but I know I won’t be allowed to post it here.
***McCain/Palin ’08