RSSComments From Jossy Mansur Regarding the Joran Van der Sloot Video Tapes and the Death & Disposal of Natalee Holloway
From the mouth of Jossy Mansur, Managing Editor or Diario, to your eyes:
The judge of instructions in Holland refused the petition of the prosecution in Aruba to make the pretrial arrest of Joran. He did not see “sufficient new evidence” in the tapes. The prosecution has, of course, appealed the decision. That, according to a press release issued by the prosecution last night in English and Dutch.
I did not see the tv show because it was unavailable here. I did follow it via a radio station in Aruba (canal 90) with a lot of static and noise that made it practically impossible to follow all the recorded conversations of Joran with Patric van Eems. However, I did hear him say that he was involved in Natalee’s disappearance (that she died in his arms!) and that he threw her body in the ocean, aided by a friend. The friend that he mentioned by name afterwards has come forward to deny that he had anything to do with it.
One thing is certain: we now know (by his own admission) that Natalee is dead, that she was with him the moment she died in still to be explained circumstances, and that he personally threw her body in the ocean, for still unexplained reasons. The confirmation of her death and the disposal of her body has come from his own mouth!
I can only imagine that any judge (except that one) would have ordered the arrest of Joran on the basis of his own admissions caught on camera. In my opinion, from what I heard on the tape there is sufficient evidence to arrest him and bring him back to Aruba for the necessary clarifications. His arrest would afford the authorities the opportunity to press him for the truth, not that she died in his arms, but HOW she died and WHY he was so certain that she was dead! And WHY he dumped her body in the ocean instead of going straight to the police and telling them about what happened to this young girl from Alabama.
This case seems to get murkier with the passing days (Jossy Mansur)
Posted February 4, 2008 by Scared Monkeys Aruba, Crime, Joran Van der Sloot, Jossy Mansur, Media, Missing Persons, Natalee Holloway, WTF | 75 comments |
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Jossy says he imagined any judge would have ordered the arrest of Joran except this Judge.
Why would this judge be an exception to the rule and not arrest Joran?
Jossy is a news reporter, I cannot imagine he did not have the whole version of the confession off of a website. He said he only picked up bits and pieces from Aruba’s radio station and was hard to hear. Wonder what gives? He did not speculate much?
What is the name of the Judge? A pal of Paulus?
And Jossy – Are prisoners in Aruba allowed to have cell phones? What’s with that? Seems like the Prison Warden would want comment on that little tidbit that Joran let slip. Actually, he said he got it from his father. In the Bible? If his father gave it to him – How? Was that legal?
Does anyone else thing “Daury” is actually
STEVE CROES?
And his boat “The Tatoo” is what Joran is referring to?
Jossy says “I did not see the tv show because it was unavailable here. I did follow it via a radio station in Aruba (canal 90)”
Does that mean that it was not broadcast in Aruba or is he somewhere else right now?
If it wasn’t broadcast there, when will it be. That is the one place that needs to see it!
Joran may have used the name, “Daury”
because it was the first name that popped into
his mind (Joran actually has an aquaintance
named “Daury”)… Joran knew that Patrick
wouldn’t know who “Daury” is – so he used the
name for “Steve Croes” (just in case Patrick
ever repeated Joran’s story).
TJ:
The broadcast of images was not available anywhere on Aruba. We have only one Dutch tv station and that one did not broadcast it. The radiostation canal 90 broadcast, but only the sounds. Due to background noise in the car where the conversations took place, it was very hard to hear several parts. The show is now on you tube and you can see that what is being said is also subtitled. We can watch today’s ABC special.
TJ no worries; this story will be in the world news for a very long time. They get Oprah, 20/20, Good Morning America and all other major shows. The fact that they are not calling for his arrest will make this story grow even larger.
Joe Taco on GMA was very funny to me. He is still trying to hold onto Joran’s innocence by saying mind altering drugs were involved and Joran was tricked by this person pretending to be a big drug dealer (Patrick the operative that tricked him). WAAAAAA WAAAAAA poor little Joran was tricked!
What about the “tricks” played on Natalee, Joe Taco? Who speaks for Natalee? Well, THE WHOLE WORLD IS NOW THE VOICE OF NATALEE AND YOU ARE ON THE WRONG SIDE BUDDY!
Is Steve Crowes 25? Is he the Daury person, is this his nickname or second name?
If nothing comes of this case it will be Arubas’ loss. He made fools of an entire comunity and the legal system there with the help of daddy. His mommy still probably thinks he is a good boy. Just sick in the head is what he is.
The little prick is going to get a slap on his wrist, serve a little time and this atrocity will continue.
However, thanks to his own big mouth and socio-path behavior- his life now will never be the same now that he has been exposed. All others involved in the cover-up afterwards should be held responsible for thier acts and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
Thank God that Anita & Paulus have no other plans to have more children. Look at the evil spawn they have created whose acts they helped to cover and went into complete denial about! Their lives will never be the same now either.
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY AND HER FAMILY.
WE STILL WANT THE WHOLE TRUTH! LISTEN TO TACOPINA THOUGH, HE IS CORRECT AND KNOWS THE LAW. THIS KID IS GOING TO GET OFF BUT EVEN D**CKHEAD JOE SAYS HE WILL NO LONGER DEFEND JORAN’S CHARACTER….EVEN A LOW-LIFE, MONEY-GRUBBING LEECH LIKE JOE BLOW-HARD KNOWS JORAN IS EVIL. Hope Papa Sloot has big bucks in the bank since he is going to need them to employ a security team now, AROUND THE CLOCK. Someone is going to take JVDS out, mark my words !
You reap what you sew……keep running Joran- you cannot hide now.
The only legitimate reason I can see for a judge not to issue an arrest warrant would be a consideration of “chain of evidence” and verification of the authenticity of the tapes placing the burden of demonstrating the tapes are legitimate evidence on the prosecution.
It is interesting the Urine’s friend who dumped the body is already in full denial mode, stating he was not on Aruba at the time Natalee was killed (I don’t by the ..she just died bit…you don’t hide a body of a person who dies of natural causes (or for that matter even a drug overdose on Aruba where it appears that drugs are an integral part of the tourist economy…sold opening in front of the police). If it is confirmed that ” Daury” was not on the island, I hope that either the FBI or Aruban police will final interrogate Gottenbos (sp) – Urine’s friend with a boat who reportedly was an emotional wreck shortly after Natalee disappeared. The Aruban only interviewed Gottenbos’ father – who assured them his son had nothing to do with Natalee’s disappearance. I understand the family left Aruba shortly afterward and are now in Georgia. Urine is a congenital lair, and seems to enjoy mixing a little truth with lies, so, it was a friend who had the boat, but it may not have been the friend mentioned.
As far as Tacopina’s suggestion that Joran statements were given while he was under the influence of marijuana….So, WHAT EXACTLY IS YOUR POINT JOE? Think of where they were when this was taped–Amsterdam. It’s legal to use marijuana there, Joe so stick it. Bet Joe wants to lose his famous client so badly now it hurts.
J4N
If what Joran has said has any truth to it…the friend with a boat is someone he had known since they were kids…that can only be one person…Koen….Joran hasn’t known Steve Croes since they were kids…but Joran and Koen grew up together..they are cousins..and that’s probably why Koen pee’d in his pajamas and why Koen’s father would not let the ALE talk to him again….and then they move…that is really suspicious..
The FBI should pay a visit to Gottenbos’ and strike while this is hot. He will cave in but someone has to get there and question him fast. Put some pressure on this thing. They have 2-4 weeks to hit it at the peak when suspects are most likely to tell what they know.
What is the name of the judge who feels the evidence is “too feeble to merit another arrest”? Are you kidding? I can not believe with all they have against Joran, that he is still walking free. He most certainly should be brought back to Aruba and made to stand trial and the Kalpoe brothers, also. It is outragous they are allowed to pull this. What this proves is Aruba is corrupt and unsafe. Aruba needs to put an end to this by bringing to justice who is responsible (and they know who is). How does Rosemarie Arnold and Joe Tacopina (his lawyers) sleep at night? Don’t you have family and children?
Thanks Arubagirl and Betsy .
It just made me sick when I watched it as I’m sure it did anyone with a heart.
Is Aruba still planning the press conference today at 12:00?
The first thing that comes to mind is, this judge is a friend of Paulus
This entire investigation has been corrupt from the beginning
Do your JOB Aruba!!!!!
bring this sick weazel Joran to justice and whoever else was involved in it!!
THE WORLD IS WATCHING ARUBA!!
Breaking New Alert: The Aruba ALE ordered a search warrant for Joran’s and his grandmothers’s home. It is unknown what the police took from his home (at least his computer). See http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3210367/_Huiszoeking_bij_Joran_in_Arhem__.html?p=2,1
Dear Bob,
Hi..I’m a Florida native too (Tampa). Aren’t you glad Joran didn’t wind up going to school in FL after all? At least we won’t have any more missing young ladies at his hand from this country.
Anyhow, regarding your post. I read somewhere over the weekend that this Daury fellow has a true alibi in that he WAS at school, so my inclination is that most probably it was Steve Croes. Then again, maybe Paulus paddled out there in a canoe or something. Appears we may actually get to the bottom of this after all!!
Oh please God, let those who have been silent and know the truth speak out without fear! Especially the K2s if there is any humanity left in them.
Joran talks about compensation…what a joke…you sat in jail and would say nothing when you knew all along where you disposed of Natalee…
I think the school he attends in Holland needs to dismiss him forever as a student…he’s dangerous to many young women and even to other men, he doesn’t seem to be able to stay out of fights…
I think Joran considers living hell some kind of limelight and he is going to abuse this even more…don’t give him anymore paid interviews…he is just sucking money off the death of Natalee… cnsiders
>>>“chain of evidence” and verification of the authenticity of the tapes>>>>>>>>>
No one, Joran or Joe Tacopinia, is denying the truth of the tapes. In fact, we have Joran’s admission on the Dutch TV show that he did indeed say what the tapes indicate.
Miklo
I agree,
I was thinking Steve Croes/Lorenzo van Rijn as well.
Though Joran also said the person in question WAS NEVER PICKED UP by police and NEVER QUESTIONED and I can’t think of anybody else.
I think the Tattoo is too big to be the boat used. But Joran said this ‘friend’ , lives alone (with wife?) and owns boats which he rents to the local watersports companies.
Daury was just a name he threw out there to mask the true identity of this person, but he’s messing with the wrong people here and I am pretty sure Joran will have to watch his back even more from now on.
Why aren’t THEY going to ARREST this MODERN DAY FRANKENSTEIN!!! At BEST, HE PERJURED HIMSELF!! Also, what about the DISPOSING of a POSSIBLE!!CORPS!!??
Does HE keep GETTING BY with THESE LIES, BECAUSE of who HIS FATHER IS, or THINK’S HE IS!!??? Is the GOV’T DOWN THERE THAT CROOKED??????????!!!
I SAY DO A TOTAL BOYCOTT of ARUBA UNTIL JUSTICE IS BROUGHT TO FRANKENSTEIN!!!!!!!! (JORAN)
HE LOOKS JUST LIKE FRANKENSTEIN!!! HE’S COLD BLOODED, SPOILED ROTTEN, LYING BRAT!!! DIDN’T EVEN KNOW SHE WAS DEAD, and DIDN’T LOOSE ANY SLEEP OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!?????????????????????
Boy….Send him on over here to the USA…WE’LL GIVE HIM A NICE OLD RED, WHITE & BLUE WELCOME!!!!
If I were this Daury dude, I’d be suing that little bastard to get every Euro he makes in his pathetic life.
Smells of
Corruption…corruption….corruption
Where is Paulus getting all this money
to pay for all of this protection to cover up?
Dirty money … dirty money….dirty money
Joran sooner or later had to
brag at getting away with all this.
Hey Paulus and Anita…ever hear of tough love?
You got two more sons to parent…following in
their big bro’s footstep!
NOW EVEN MORE REASON TO BOYCOTT ARUBA
Joran has and is setting a good example to
others that the truth will set you free.
So Joran has gone into hiding, wonder where his parents took him…I guess he won’t be at the local pubs tonight…this time he is steering far away from the press, unlike Joran he likes the attention…gotta come out sometime…
I’m sure no one could possibly be surprised that Urine Van der Slut was not re-arrested again, even though he admitted to Natalee spending her last moments with him, as well as confessing to dumping her body in the ocean. What else could we expect???
BOYCOTT ARUBA AND THE N E T H E R L A N D S TIL HELL FREEZES OVER!!
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
Aruba is probably waiting for Tuesday evening to react so that, when they do, it will not be the top headline (Super Tuesday results).
Art Wood seemed to think Keon was about to break and spill the beans. And he did have a boat. And since Aruba didn’t want to bring him in. We could have a winner
I hope likes of things are going on now behind the scenes. I hope an FBI agent is over at Gottenbos’s house interogating him.
Paulus and the Kalpoes need to be hauled back in to Jail along with Joran.
http://www.parool.nl/columnisten/joep_bertrams/beeld/020408-joran.jpg
To the Aruban readers, please answer this question:
Is the Peter de Vries show normally shown in Aruba? Or, did they just elect not to show this episode in a lame attempt to keep the Aruban public in the dark as much as possible?
This thing could go higher than Paulus. Maybe the judge that stays at his house was involved in the gang rape and disposal of Natalee? The best part is that they cannot LOSE this confession or bill it as MISINFORMATION and alter police reports. It is there for the world to see all over TV, news, You Tube. We hope as well to see coverage on Larry King, Oprah, 20/20 with Barbara Walters. This thing is not going away under a carpet!
Is it possible to check the phone records from that payphone? We have the exact location of the payphone, fairly accurate time. Not many people making calls that time of morning. Check the numbers called and if any of them belong to someone who owned a boat….voila!
Anyone else get the impression that this judge was, once again … ta-da … Ric Smit. The same one who has been on the van der Scum side all along?
Jossy says the case gets murkier each day. Seems to me the opposite may be true … it’s getting clearer.
Except to the Aruban judiciary, of course.
Arubagirl, or anyone else who knows the visa situation on Aruba … is it possible for a Dutch/Aruban to be a resident student in Holland, and yet go to Aruba for a brief trip without a visa?
I’m just trying to find out if there’s any way that this Daury could be lying. Don’t think so.
Joran needs to be arrested along with Paulus. Daury is Paulus. There is NO doubt in my mind about that.
Why was Paulus at the ATM in the early morning hours? Why was he out at 4:00 a.m.? Why did he say he would do anything to protect his son? Why did he make the statement no body no crime? Why was he sweating so profusely when interviewed at his home? I could go on and on. PAULUS IS DAURY.
She was taken to the Vandersloot home where she was raped and murdered. It did not happen on the beach. It happened at the Vandersloot home. Paulus paid someone to get rid of Natalee’s body.
Justice will never be served. They have shown us that.
Justice will be when they meet their maker…which may come earlier than they think if Joran keeps running his mouth.
#4 and #6, Yeah, S.Croes came into my mind, only because of the hasty sale of the Tatoo party boat right after Natalee went missing. Then the Lorenzo dude came into my mind – the pot plant grower – the recently arrested for it – the older chap Joran may have looked up to – as well as his part time “agricultural profession”. Lorenzo did have a cigarette speed boat.
BUT Joran mentioned the rental banana boats and such. So now GVCromvort would fit that bill. He did NOT work for his daddy’s security firm – he was a beach working for Red Sail boat rentals on the beach, hanging around the HI – especially with the nude MBers swimming on their last night. Banana boats are pulled by a speed boat, right? So who owns the speed boat? GVC? Was the speed boat owner the perp assistant?
I still say he used his shoelaces to tie her hands to the banana boat handles. And used his rectangular notched belt also (they found his belt on the beach but tossed that evidence away as in what else is new).
By the way, as someone (I believe that it was Maggie) very astutely pointed out … if Natalee were in the condition that Joran said she was in,
she would be incapable of giving consent to having sex. Even by Joran’s explanation, which comes from the mouth of a confirmed liar.
So even Scumbag Jr. has in effect confessed to rape, hasn’t he? Even on Aruba, that should mean something.
Come to think of it, we can ask Dompig about the boat … for it was he who assured us that Aruba tracked EVERY boat that night leaving its shores.
Wonder how the scumbag likes medical school?
Duary = Steve Croes. The same guy that came to LE an offered an alibi for someone that he “didn’t really even know”. Remember? Who would do such a thing?
With comments like the following flowing out of Jorans mouth, Aruba better do something with this sociopath!! We want justice for Natalee!!!
“Of course, I tried everything,” van der Sloot said. “I tried to shake her. I was shaking the bitch. I was like, ‘What is wrong with you man?’ I almost wanted to cry. Why does this s*** have to happen to me?”
Where is Urine now? How can he hide and Why would Amsterdam protect him now? He should be under so much pressure from the people in this country that the only safe place for him is JAIL!! I cannot even imagine a college wanting him in there system or any students wanting to be near a MURDEROUS LIAR! He is a threat to the safety of the young girls at that school!!
Who is the Judge? Let me guess, are his initials RS? If it was him, Hans Mos must be part of the cover up also, or he would have fought for a different judge…one with no so quite “high standards”…what a joke….”high standard” Judge..you don’t know what “high standards” are..you are imo in the pocket of PVDS. What a disgrace to the legal profession these people are.
Let’s hope they run out of money soon for the 24/7 protection of the scumbag so he can get what’s coming to him. I for one am sick of that creep being protected from all sources and I hope he get’s it in spades.
Read an article that Joran lived in an apartment with 3 other students in Arnheim, the girl who talks about this was a neighbor…see currently wants to remain anonymous until after the airing of Peter’s show…she said she used to complain to Joran about the loud music and heard him brag about what happened to Natalee, Patrick used to visit all his parties…she said the walls are so thin you can hear everything…if she’d complain and say she was going to call the police Joran would threaten her and did so many times…finally she called and pressed charges….I guess we will hear more later…
Bob in Florida, wow, you are an idiot. Between “Urine” and “congenital” liar, I think you should step out of this forum and leave the argument to people who can spell and know the English language. Congenital refers to a birth defect, her name is Urline, and you spell “by” as in “I do not by…” buy. “Sold opening”…did you mean sold “openly”? “Final interrogate…” did you mean “finally”? YIKES!
I know we’re succeeding when Tacopina say’s Joran was drugged!
Karma is here!
I do not have the vocabulary to describe Jurine and his family. I know that they will not convict him of anything even if they had a tape of him doing the act with Jurine himself narrating. I can only say at this point that if Jurine lives much longer then there is truly no justice in this world.
Just one more question here … I just saw the video of Beth’s long reaction on camera on the Peter deVries show. My first reaction is that he was exploiting her presence on that show … there was absolutely no need to subject her to being filmed as she saw all of that.
I thought it was revolting and an ordeal.
How does everyone else feel?
Joran’s days are definitely numbered. What a prick. Some one is going to waste him and I hope it is very soon. They should put him in front of a firing squad and give Beth the magic bullet. Naw, even that is too good for him. Some one please take his evil ass out in the middle of the ocean and dump him overboard and then speed off. I am not a violent person. Actually, I have 2 grown sons. What this evil man did is just wrong.
Miklo – Yes, I do.
Richard it is only a guess, but I’ll bet he let her see it once without cameras on and filmed her reactions the second time.
Meet a clueless joke:
Hello, I’m Minister Briesen, the Minister of Tourism and Transportation for Aruba. One of the main objectives of this ministry is to create a framework for tourism that includes the participation of all community members in Aruba. Some of our commitments to tourism involve strategic change in Aruba’s model of development and what pertains to our future as a prime Caribbean tourism destination.
We are going to pull forces together to study our situation to evaluate and propose further development. This government is compelled to take a decisive attitude to approach our current issues and work on proposals involving the entire community.
It’s our mission to work together to help our market grow as a whole. We will ensure that tourism grows in ways that are economically, socially and environmentally responsible. We aim to increase the understanding of the economic values of the industry as well as its environmental and social benefits.
In order to achieve these goals, we have formed a National Tourism Council whose major objectives are to create a blueprint for sustainable development of tourism that will safeguard our environment, heritage and culture for future generations.
In order to provide the best visitor services that we can, we are open to all of your suggestions about any changes you would like to see in Aruba and invite you to send these comments to our attention. It is our great pleasure as Arubans to welcome you as a guest to our island “Where Happiness Lives – ARUBA!”
PS Ed….happiness USED TO live there….no more.
#36 Richard: both the people from Aruba and The Netherlands have one passport: a Dutch one. There is no need for a visa to visit Aruba. Aruba is an autonomous island within the Dutch Kingdom.
Richard,
Beth’s pain is real, and it is perfect in contrast to the savagery and callousness portrayed in the video she was watching.
I actually think it is necessary to give context to what we’re dealing with here.
If you can’t stand with Beth, who can you stand with?
#32 Erik .. love the picture..fits him to a T
http://www.parool.nl/columnisten/joep_bertrams/beeld/020408-joran.jpg
I also think Beth maybe saw the video before hand, but with her consent it was her message to Joran….she wanted him to see and be able to say “look what you have done”.
Still a puzzle, was it Lorenzo, was it Steve Croes or was it Koen.. If it was Lorenzo, cigar boats are pretty loud and you would definitely hear it late at night, unless he ran it very, very slowly near the beach and then opened it up, in a fast boat would of taken no time at all to go out to sea. But Joran said a long time friend…I still think it was Koen…but then again, ..Steve Croes volunteered a lie for Joran, why would he do that…and Koen pee’s in his pants…Oh God….
It is strange though that Steve would just come out of blue and lie for Joran and Joran lied about the person being a friend he grew up with….just to really twist his story around…but he certainly made it sound like Koen, except for the fact that Patrick wouldn’t know who that was…
The only people he has known his whole life are Paulus and Anita (and that Grandma back in Holland – and for one, I don’t suspect her.) He might possibly consider Koen a life-long friend. But, does anyone know how long the VanderSloots have been on Aruba? If only say, 10 years, then Koen would not be a life-long friend.
Re: #20 brenda on February 4th, 2008 11:22 am
No Brenda, I wish Urine had come to school in Florida, I for one would love to show him some of the lovelier and more isolated spots of the Everglades….Go Gators…chomp chomp….
I am across the bay in Clearwater. I have been following this case since day one and just marvel at the level of complete incompetence and corruption shown by ALE on the past 2 1/2 years. I certainly hope that Hans Mos will have the guts to request FBI assistance in interrogating Koen Gottenbos if he is in the US or insist that Dutch police do so if he is in Holland. There is no way that Natalee just suddenly died…if she did, then Urine is smart enough to know he could have called police and nothing would have happened to him, even if drugs were involved. An the question of why it was necessary for him to dispose of his shoes still needs an answer…there most have been blood or some other incriminating evidence on them he need to get ride of. There is also the question of the scratches that Urine was seen to have had when he went back to school following Natalee’s disappearance. These statements on hidden camera are a part of the story, and possibly close to some of the truth, but Urine is such a egomaniac that even to his “best friend’ he has modified the story to make it sound better for him.
why would the gottenbos family leave and move to the US? there has to be some connection.
what’s the scoop on the payphone i’m hearing and reading the payphone is credit card only for international calls. is there another one in the area??
Richard,
Dutch citizens don’t need visa to travel to Aruba (or US)
for the emo exploit…welcome to modern tv….human pain sells.
Could Steve Croes be the friend? OR was Daddy the one who made arrangements to dispose of Natalee? Remember, Paulis made a large ATM withdrawal that night. Joran said he is taking care of his “friend” financially. Daddy perp has to be in on it as well, which is what most of us are guessing anyway.
Aruba, here is your chance to do the right thing! Get a backbone, Aruba. Bring Joran back, lock him up, make him talk. No more pussy-footing around.
Bob in Florida, I recall Joran went to school the next day with bruises and a black eye. Poor Natalee tried to fight him off the best she could. And you are so right about the shoes. DNA evidence probably on his shoes. Nobody who has ever been to Aruba (lots of rocks and cacti everywher) would walk all the way Joran walked home (so he said) without shoes. It would kill your feet.
Daury starts with a D and ends with a Y just like Daddy!
LOL
Poor Daury was probably the only person Joran knew whose name started with a D and ended in a Y. He couldn’t use Deepak…No Y. And it was too late to say Freddie because he’d already let the D slip out.
Jossy said Paulus was a clerk for the Department of Justice before he is now a lawyer. What’s up with that? A clerk?
A clerk would have his hands…erm, eyes….on a lot of paperwork! Hmmmm?
Joran said he could prove he was lying…well, one part ok…Daury was not on Aruba…but Joran, moron, what about the rest of that stuff?
I do believe Joran thought he was applying for a job with this guy. He wanted to get into selling for him or something so that’s why he opened up a bit about a crime he was involved in to gain acceptance as a tough guy. But you know Joran thinks EVERYONE is stupid except his own self…so you know he thought he was pulling something on this guy too….so what I’m thinking is Joran wanted this guy to think he could break laws and not get caught, but no way did he tell him the entire truth!
But there are so many elements of truth in there…well, Joran….You drugged Natalee, she got sick, you got help from your daddy and you did not actively get rid of her body yourself. At some point you shook her by her shoulders and bumped her head too. And about your shoes….what did you really throw down the gutter or in that well? It wasn’t your shoes…..because you said it was, so it can’t be. See how it works? What did you thrown there?
Here’s why I think Daddy was on Joran’s mind when he was talking about getting rid of Natalee….Joran unnecessarily brought his dad up; said Paulus brought him a phone to jail….and then made sure to say his daddy was stupid (for only getting him a few minutes) which means to me Joran is pissed his daddy has caused all this mess….Paulus is stupid!
I’ve got one more thought….
When Joran is saying Natalee was dead and the guy asks if maybe she could have been in coma, Joran says ‘yeah’ as if ‘so so’…..to me, this means Joran knew Natalee was NOT dead when he handed her over to Paulus. It’s why he just said, ‘yeah’ matter of factly. And you could see the hamsters spinning around on that wheel inside Joran’s cranial cavity when he said ‘yeah’. He KNEW she was not dead!
“and you did not actively get rid of her body yourself”
1. Wrong. He did by arranging the boat to pick her up, carrying her to the boat, instructing her friend to get rid of her. Just as good as if he pulled the trigger.
2. The ALE could bring premeditated murder charges against him, and then he would have to advance the defense that she was already dead. Not a great impression on the jury no matter what.
3. Any reports on narrowing the ID of the boat driver? (Boat owner, banana boat worker, etc) Should be process of elimination.
4. Tennis shoes have real chance of being found. Any reports on searches for that?
5. If I were ALE prosecutor, I would sweat the Kalpoos, then give them immunity for telling everything. Seems like they would jump at the chance of evening the score for someone that played them, and then called them idiots for being played.
thoughts for now
5.
Did anyone notice the two versions of how he got home in the Peter de Vries Tapes? First he tells Patrick the stupid Satish picked him up and then a while later he claims he walked home and dumped his shoes i a sewer of some sort?
there’s no provision for immunity in Dutch laws.
Joe T looks like he’s been crying
I am absolutely amazed that Taco Joe is hanging in this thing and continues to attempt to defend this cold rapist/murderer! I am amused actually because every day he looks more and more like a fool. He must own his law firm because if he had partners, they would surely put a stop to his foolishness. Ah well, more You Tube archives for our enjoyment of dumb party lines. What a loser!
Keep your eye on the ball Joe! America vs. Joe….. America winning. We are behind Beth and Dave 100%!!!!!
Apparently, from the posts above on the subject, it MIGHT have been possible for this guy Daury to have returned to Aruba without having to go through any official procedures.
This, of course, is in no way evidence that it DID happen. The only proof there would be would be demonstrating that he did, in fact, fly there.
Deetch, nobody doubts the reality of Beth’s pain.
But I don’t know if it was necessary to have the camera focused on her for such a long time. It seems like exploitation to me.
Richard, thats how they make tv these days