RSSScared Monkeys Radio Daily Commentary – Friday, December 21, 2007 – Dana Reflects On His Interview With Natalee Holloway’s Stepfather, George “Jug” Twitty
- Dana discusses his recent interview with Jug (click here to listen) and offers some advice for would-be international travelers.
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Dana
Ask Jug Twitty if the family will be able to access the videos they made of the interrogations and whether they have an translator of their own and will not be relying on Aruban translations of those interrogations. Thanks.
thanks, dana and sm. for having jug on the show. i have a lot of respect and admiration for the man. have him on again as soon as possible. we can all depend on what he says to be true.
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I have listened to the conversation twice, then another time, and I have to say, it struck me as odd.
“Do you have a theory of what happened to Natalee ? Well, maybe, … maybe, … it may be possible … who knows”. So the answer is either YES, I have multiple theories, or NO I do not have a single theory, orbasically, I do not have a clue !
I am concerned about the naming of the New York laywer defending joran. Even if this case would come in court, the only line of defence should be “Speculation !”.
Also, it must be over hundert times I mentioned this : the reporting is very, very single sided. Fortunately, in court rooms, judges are more objective.
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Joost: give it up. How can one have an “objective” judge when the judge stays at the house of the suspect while making rulings in the case? What a total crock. What turnip truck did you fall off?
Why are you concerned about the naming of the NY lawyer? Heck he’s all over TV every chance he gets!
Why does it bother you that Jug doesn’t have a theory? There’s so many “ideas” of exactly what happened, it’s pretty hard to pick one. But there’s no question who did it.
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Talk about bizarre, did anyone else hear that the Kalpoe brothers are going to hold a news conference today? They think the world wants to know what lies they have for the cameras this time?
I can hear it now: We are innocent little boys who just want to go on with our wonderful little lives. Oh and we don’t like Joran anymore. We sure hope we can skunk Dr. Phil out of some money. Oh and big people lie.
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Hey Mos; Care to share the info with us and the FBI:
“Judges, however, ruled the new evidence was not enough to keep the suspects — Joran van der Sloot and brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe — behind bars. Mos’ office said Tuesday they will not prosecute the three in Holloway’s disappearance.
But his office also said the case is not closed, rather that it has now entered “a new phase” with four Aruba detectives still working on it, looking for new evidence.
In the chat, Mos told CNN’s Susan Candiotti, one of the suspects said, “The fact that she’s dead is not good,” referring to Holloway.
Other chats occurring before May 30 were also found, in which the suspects discussed “picking up American girls and what they plan to do with them,” Mos said. Such chats gave authorities an idea of how the suspects operated, he said.”
The disturbing part IMO would you please elaborate!!!!!: “in which the suspects discussed “picking up American girls and what they plan to do with them,” Mos said.”
Would any media service care to broadcast that info about the pimps and Aruba.
Thank you #10-1906….ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh for GOODNESS sakes…did noone but us pick up on this????HELLO GRETA!!!!!are you still INCLINED to believe him…they picked up other AMERICAN girls and RAPED them…doesnt anyone think they should be arrested for that????and others were invoved…for goodness sakes what we have ALL known all along….its not rocket science…EVERY GIRL that went to LIERUBA should have themselves checked out…they probably have STDs or AIDS…after being GANGRAPED…they should be hung up and SHOT, the fithy pigs…
daily updates on the search to find Natalee Holloway’s remains:
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Dana & Jug ought to get a big pat on the back for telling it like it is. Finally they came right out and said it was A COVER-UP. I sent emails to a couple of the TV stations asking why they were so afraid to use the term, of course, no response. Plus, wasn’t it just too nice when Dan called Taco a LOUDMOUTH. We all have that creep’s number….
Merry Christmas to all.
@10061906
Don’t forget to stop buying CD’s & DVD’s, for every CD or DVD you buy, Philips gets money.
Mr. Mos; I don’t think you really have to tell us the evidence on the computers; As you said it contained “what they planned to do to American girls.” Obviously there is an inherited hatred by young Dutch Nationals created by their parents, against Americans, especially young female American tourists. That is why we also have to mandate boycotts against Dutch products. Economics is the only weapon we have; economics is what we will have to use.
Again; Money talks and Bulls—t walks!!!!
In Natalee’s case either the wrong girl was picked up or an all out attempt to grab Natalee by the pimps was revenge because she refused their advances on numerous nights, especially Geoff who eventually hit Natalee at C and C’s.
Infamous last words by Michael Dompig and Geoff van Cromvoirt;
“You would be supprised what we can get the girls to do when we tell them we are police officers”. Dave Holloway saw Michael and Andre trying to hustle girls to C and C’s outside the Holiday Inn. By the way; after Natalee disappeared wasn’t a C and C employee transferred to Mexico; likewise a Holiday Inn employee?
Deepak we; my brother Satish, and Joran every week we pick up girls and take them back to the hotel. (I take it to mean the Holiday Inn)(With a taxi globe)
In Joran’s book the translator mentions but no description; Joran describes Natalee’s room and the fact that Natalee and Ruth shared a twin size bed. That Madison was not in the room the entire trip and Lee slept in the larger bed.
Unless he was in the room how could he know that; If not then there were hidden cameras there.
Satish: “I brought Freddy the camera”.
In his police statement completely out of the blue is what he stated.
Why would the pimps need Michael and Geoff. They worked for the VCB Beach Security. If girls were taken to a hotel room; always at ground level, then Michael and Geoff were needed to take the girls back to their rooms or at least close to it.
In uniform they would never arouse suspicion. Is that why the ALE could not work with them?
That is why Willeim van Cromvoirt owner of VCB practically disowned Geoff.
Why was Natalee, Ruth, Lee and Madison’s room changed to a first floor rear facing the beach????????????Duh easy accessablility.
Natalee got out of the car and hit her head. Why was this added? It was added because Natalee sustained a head injury by someone and if permitted to find Natalee that would be the explanation. Deepak knows what happened. “If they found the girl they will find the s–t on her.
“Natalee is seen with two guys and her hair is cut and red”; quote Deepak. Where ever they took Natalee someone cut her hair out of envy, jealousy or revenge. That was another reason to dispose of Natalee.
IMO the pimps Modus Operandi was/is:
Stake out the American female tourists staying at the Holiday Inn.
Found out when their last night will be.
Check out the girls in the guest room that was Natalee’s that Joran knows so well by room number in his book. Pick one or two girls.
Go to the casino and sit with these girls at the black jack table where Guido is a dealer. See who is losing. Strike up a conversation with someone who is losing. Win back some money by skimming the casino.
Ruth is the one that lost $360.00 not Natalee. Joran and Deepak always get the two confused.
Win the tourist confidence.
Lie that he is only visiting the Island and staying at the Holiday Inn.
Hustle the girls to C and C’s; where they get drunk on their own money.
I don’t believe for a minute that Joran bought Natalee a drink. Satish is the one dropping the drug while Joran misdirects the girls. Satish put too much in Natalee’s drink. He was the newer player and probably his first time.
Pick out a female and drug her. “Roofi” being the drug of choice and get her into Deepak’s taxi. Make sure no one else gets in fake taxi cab until Joran and Girl show up.
Roofi being the drug to use as it is sold in the Caribbean, (manufactured in Holland) as a sedative for pre op sedation and insomnia.
Take her to??????? Where she is video taped in various sexual encounters.
(Twenty times before. Lots of video tapes in cyberspace)
Give the film to Deepak to upload on the internet. (Ask previous visitors/victims).
End results. Free sex and supplemental income by all.
Well Hans; how did we do?
I think it is now time to tell exactly what happened and tell where Natalee is buried. You know but Dutch Nationals are the primary players.
Somewhere in those statements, Jorans book or the Clausen Investigative report is where they took Natalee. Or perhaps a previous victim could recall.
Did Hans Mos, out of some semblance of deference to a sense of decency, decline to reveal WHAT THEY SAID about “what they planned to do with” the American girls?
Why won’t anyone investigate?
Hey, government, think that our citizens merit protection? What about you, travel agencies?
“what they planned to do to American girls”
Well, is as far as I know that is terrorism. To single out a nationality to do harm is terrorism.
Aruba is given the perps and all future perps a green light for the crime, only because it involves an American girl, Natalee. What would the outcome have been if the victim was a Dutch girl, a daughter or relative of one of the fat pigs? We already know they give two sh*ts about the Aruban girls, but I bet this would have been taken care of under the radar if the victim was Dutch and not Natalee.
Yes this is pure Terrorism, and Aruba and the NL as culpable as the perps
This case was solved within the first 24 hours after Beth and Jug arrived in Aruba. Then the coverup started.
Deepak Kalpoe: “you’d be surprised how simple it was that night”
Geoffrey von Cromvoirt tells us what they can get girls to do when they say they’re police.
Joran tells the Natalee and her friends he’s a student from Holland. He tells the world they’ve done this maybe 20 times before and nothing bad happened.
Now we hear about online talk about what they planned to do with the American tourists they picked up.
Kidnapping, rape, murder. GUILTY. Admitted the first night. Statements torn up. Cars or their parts switched. Computer “dinked” with. Interrogations bungled. Search warrants delayed. Friends of Paulus, Mob contacts, Drug cartels, political connections. Whoever is covering for these guys didn’t count on Beth, the U.S. media or the fact that monkeys are really smart and could get so much information about One Corrupt Island. Let’s not forget Bud Larsen and Amy Bradley. I forget the name of the little boy that disappeared from a jet ski and the man who disappeared on Sabo. Stay away from these islands. Leave them to Chavez or the cartels or the mob, but don’t give them your money. THERE IS/WAS EVIDENCE. NOT CIRCUMSTANTIAL, BUT HARD EVIDENCE. IT WAS COVERED UP AND DESTROYED.
Yep, Miss U it is terrorism…Im calling our State Dept…His number is 202-736-4996 and his name is Ken Haldane…everyone pick up the phone and call now…Its been published on CNN from their own hard drive…this must STOP…
Kudos and thanks to Dana and Red and Monkeys for being such a big part of making sure that the world knows that one of the sports in Aruba is what they’re going to do to tourists, what they can get them to do or how simple it was. The site meter tells the story about how many read here, above and beyond posters/members. So in the ABC islands, while you’re golfing or snorkeling and the kids are making sand castles, the local boys are getting away with drugging, kidnapping and raping tourists. The locals then say she went in the car willingly, she drank too much, she was wild and used drugs. IT’S CALLED RAPE.
#15 –
I don’t recall reading that Deepak said that Natalee’s hair was cut and red. When did he say this ?
Could that be what he meant when he said ‘if they find the girl they will see the sh-t on her’ ?
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21:Ellen:
No offense to you but you really have to read alot more about the case.
I could paste the info here but Klaasend would get on my case for taken up too much space.
So if you would please follow the link concerning Deepak’s email, which is the basis for Dr Hodges book “Into the Deep” 12 lines up from the bottom.
http://www.rjames.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-26.html
“We heard a lot of false alarms that she was dead , she was seen with 2 guys , her hair is cut and is red now ,she was in a crackhouse etc, we were arrested and , my car is by etc”
To your answer; YES One of the reasons she had to disappear (IMO)
Remember when Joran said, “Don’t blame the players, blame the game”. Another one of their, put the blame on something else. In that warper mind to him it makes everything OK.
So Joran, just how many players are there? You drug and Freddy films them. I wonder how many American girls have drugged, raped, victims of porno. There are probably videos, cd’s, and pictures they’re sold..
Joran says he can’t tell us what happened because innocent people could get hurt. He doesn’t know any innocent people. Those people to whom he’s referring to are the pimps. They’re all guilty.
22;
I forgot to mention that TDK is a major player now; Sony and Phillips always develope the technology that fades away; Example Betamax.
Yes it is Japanese; No I do not want to get into a discussion why not boycott Japan because of Pearl Harbor. Lets keep the subject on Natalee.
I can always spot a Dutchman or troll.
They always have something negative to add but never anything positive which could really help.
brie 24:If it were done for sport and game I would think a home or a mattress on a pickup truck could be used.
If it is for voyourism and porn for profit, a little more professional; I would say a place with one way glass with a permenant set for photography.
Much like a sex palor where the Dutch elite pay to watch and get their rocks off when they bring a girl(s)drugged to film.
Innocent (?) that is a grey area. Just how innocent is Loco Stef and Crazy Mary.
What was the interlude with Loco Stef and Baily back in March 2005?
ralph 12:
Thank you I lost that link. Everyone should follow the progress. I am impressed with the data. I didn’t think it would be that clear.
#23, Thanks. Yes, I had seen that email before and I always assumed it to be fake. There are way to many details and this is the one place where he actually and repeatedly refers to Natalee by her proper name instead of simply calling her ‘the girl’….. which he did even in the earliest days. He also spells her name correctly consistently and, with NATALEE being the less common spelling of the name, made the post feel particularly staged.
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…1906…There supposedly is such a place where porno is shown and live action in the Holiday Inn…that’s where they entertain the high rollers from South America. Read that along time ago!
brie: you are not confusing that with the lion’s den? If not please try and find out where the info from the Holiday inn came from.
If they took Natalee there; you can see the switch to the beach real quick.
All what these perps are saying is full of holes and lies.. I have a house in Aruba and I have spend a lot of time looking at the way they do things and I do not believe the following.
The theories: That her body was dump in the sea… cannnot be done because the radar of Warda Nos costa would have seen the Boat going out on their radar and that is a fact… I have friend from venezuela and they are always been seen by the Coast Patrol…
Theory: Leaving her on the Beach in High Season in Aruba is unlikely. This is because everyone going to that eara that they said they left her is to visible by many area including the Light House. to visivible no can doe with a dead body in your car.
Theory of dumping it in a caves… unlikely ..it would have been found already.
Theory of a dumping the body in an existing grave…most likely. The reaon for this is I wend to a funeral this week and I saw how easy it was to put someone in one of those Crypt (Kelder)Box and close it in 30 minutes.
It was so easy because the Kelder was already open and it consisted of 4 rooms for a coffins and they fit with just a little space and deep enough to hold the whole coffin. When I saw how it was done and see the easy it was to close I was started to see that it is possible to open one of these boxes and put a body inside and closed it in 30 min tops.
Here is My theory.
Party till 2 am get drunk.. from 2 to 4 am someting went wrong and from 4 to 5am hide the body . 6 am call friends to see how things are and start twisting the story till today
If the Investigators cannot find Nathalie is because they are searching and looking in the wrong places.
If you ask yourself this question: “Where would I hide a body so that nobody will find it?”
The answers are a lot of places can be used, but for a logic thinker there is only one answer.
And form all the articles that I have read, nobody have suggested and even mention this place.
Lets test the Logic:
In Aruba in when someone dies, they can be put to rest in two forms.
1. In the grounds
2. In a Kelder with 4 or 6 rooms constructed out of brick and mortar above ground in public eye site in the cemetary. These Kelders belong to a Family and they buy these plots form the church in the cemetery and build the Kelders on it and leave it open for when the moment arrived you have a place to rest.
Both types of method funerals will take place only in a CEMETARY.
There are a lot of CEMETARY in Aruba and most of them have KELDERS and a lot are left OPEN for when he or she dies will be buried close in the Family plot.
My logic:
The reason that no one can find her is that she must be among all the dead in the cemetery and who is going to search a cemetery for a body where there is already a lot of body in the place.
Logic test: You will never find an open grave in the ground because when someone dies in Aruba and need to be buried in the ground, the Funeral home in charge of the body will give orders to dig a grave for this person in a district in accordance with the family wishes.
To dig a grave 6 feet deep and wide enough for a body will take a lot of time by hand. Beside the ground will look disturb by the cemetery keeper. So I believe that these 4 perps would not have the time to dig a grave.
But
If you have a dead body on your hand and you need to hide it fast, the only way is to put it in an open Kelder and with only five to 6 bricks and and a bucket of cement and you are done. And if you want to make it look professional, can even give it a coat of paint color white which is the mostly use.
This last process is very easy done with 3 or 4 person.
a. Move dead body to a cemetery,
b. Cemetry door closed, then jump the fence with the body.
c. Inside the cemetery fined an open Kelder or break one open.
d. Put body in it
e. Go and get 6 pieces of bricks or use bricks that are in the cemetery already.
f. Make cement in a bucket
g. Use the bricks to close the small walls of the Kelder.
h. Paint the wall
And you are done.
Now nobody can’t find her because we are looking outside the box, we have been looking too much outside the realm of logic. The Logic is, nobody is going to look in a cemetery and if you are going to search a cemetery, it will be difficult to search without disturbing the graves. And another drawback is that you need permission of the families to open all the Kelders.
And this is my theory on this case and my logic thinking. my own CSI theory
…1906..no not confusing it…read that quite a while back but I’ll be glad to look for it…
…1906…look under boycott aruba–justice for natalee….nov 12 2006…there’s also another article, still looking..
Ellen on December 21st, 2007 7:45 pm said
“#23, Thanks. Yes, I had seen that email before and I always assumed it to be fake. There are way to many details and this is the one place where he actually and repeatedly refers to Natalee by her proper name instead of simply calling her ‘the girl’….. which he did even in the earliest days. He also spells her name correctly consistently and, with NATALEE being the less common spelling of the name, made the post feel particularly staged.”
IMO…Consider that maybe the email wasn’t written by Depak, maybe Paulus wrote it?
….1906..also look under Aruba Crime Syndicate
Posner connected with Alberto Levy who owns C&C’s
It asks, who does Alberto and Paulus do business with
Also, Rafael Levy in Miami, Fla has sex businesses
Paulus went to Miami after Natalee disappeared
Connections with Posner, Paulus, Alberto & Rafael
The pimps select the girls at C&C’s–so who are they working for….Posner?
CapslockWizard 32:
If I may add to what you say. First of all when the cemetery crypts were distrubed do you think they may have been looking for Natalee or moving her or none of the above?
If she were placed in a cemetery then I would go back to what I said last year and that she may be in the cemetery at St. Anna. And there is no one alive today that knows where she is.
I hope they find her in the sea; but I doubt it.
In so far as the other theory about the caves. I mentioned the air shafts at the gold mine ruins because they are readily avaialable, are almost 800 feet deep and do not leech out to the sea.
brie; its too late. go to sleep. I appreciate you looking and I will try again tomorrow.
How are the girls picked.
Hidden cameras in the ground floor rear rooms. The ones that open to the beach.
Another are the cameras in the casino. The Excelsior I believe is part of the Holiday Inn.
Van Cromvoirt denies VCB had that contract until after Natalee disappeared. I know different. His web page was changed under list of projects. The HI and casino were listed prior to 5/30/05.
They made the change but not fast enough.
brie: one more thing if anyone had the ability and the equipment VCB does.
Check out the wirelss transmissions etc.
http://www.vcbsecurity.com/index_en.php
…32…but how could they see what they were doing if they were in the cemetery at night…well, maybe a full moon..surely the day time would of been to obvious…But I think your theory does make sense…that would be pretty easy to do…and Paulus did buy cement to build a wall, maybe bricks too. Who would open all those Kelders, once sealed to see what’s inside? And families would not want them disturbed. Hmmmmm!
Saw a picture of one of the cemeteries and I see what you mean.
There is a cemetery by the St. Anna Church in Noord. That is also the church where the priest is that would not meet with Dave Holloway. Always thought that was strange..a grieving father and the priest didn’t have time…well if he is a friend of Paulus then he’s corrupt too. And if Natalee is buried there he knows about it.
Maybe that’s why when Beth and Jug first got there and went to the Sloot’s looking for Joran, Paulus said they were at the casino. So they went to the casino, not there, returned to the house and Deepak and Paulus were there but all dirty and sweaty. Do you suppose they were at the cemetery, in the hot sun and burying Natalee?
And that’s why Paulus sent them to casino. Off in the wrong direction.
brie:
That cemetery is across the road from the Noord Police Station.
Joran went to kindergarten at that church’s school. The walls are low and the gates do not appear to be locked.
Go to webshot community and search aruba cemetery churches. I have about 30 pictures of the church and cemetery.
Check CapslockWizard. I said over two years ago that when Beth arrived at the police station in Noord; she may have been less then 100 yards away from Natalee or her body.
Hi Sander: How are you and your brother doing in Dacula GA? Does he still wet his bed? Did you find your phone yet.
You better stay close to your dutch mother and father because I HAVE IT THAT ONE DAY YOU ARE GONING TO BE PAID A VISIT AND WELCOMED INTO THE COMMUNITY.
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Most recent update from the RV Persistence crew, specifically, Kyle Kingman:
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/
Sat. 22-Dec- 1110 hrs
The Persistence awakes after a few hour much-deserved nap. The crew diligently toss the lines and she’s free of the dock. Leaving the port facility, the seas are calm and the trade winds are pleasant and tropical. The occasional cumulus cloud appear cartoon-like. One small cloud in the distance is dumping rain on a few unfortunate people. I can just imagine what they’re thinking.. “why me”. The rain has a tendency of seeking us all out. Today over the Persistence, the sun is shining bright.
“We’ve gridded a 22 sq. mile area with bathymetry and will cover it again with this sonar system and magnetometer… Yes. We will find her if she’s out there.” -John Silvetti (1102 hrs, 22-Dec).
The search area we already covered by bathymetry and began surveying with side scan and magnetometer is the size of Manhattan.
“I believe she’s been out here for over the last two years but we didn’t have the resources and technology to find her until now. We’re blessed to have these resources. Now, hopefully we’ll have a wonderful Christmas present for Dave and Beth”. – Tim Miller (1108 hrs, 22-Dec).
I find it incomprehensible that we here on the Monkeys blog can explore thoughts, open questions, suggest hiding places on land that the sand pigs who can themselves Aruban Polis and ‘detectives’ couldn’t even think of. Or did they, and who squashed any talk about doing this?
They never even made a marginal effort. Imbeciles. When this all finally blows up, Aruba will bearly be a name in an old Travel book. Disgraced in the eyes of the entire world. That’s some legacy for their children.
Great interview 2 days ago
with Dana Pretzer, Jug!
Jug Twitty is the man! He was the one who stood up from the start and called it what it was and guess what? 2 and a half years later,,,, it has all proven to be true. I’ve always looked forward to his interviews.