RSSImmigration Activist/Illegal Alien Elvira Arellano Arrested & To be Deported
Immigration activist or “ILLEGAL ALIEN”? The bias media has certainly voiced their 
opinion where they stand in the matter by their headline. Elvira Arellano, illegal alien, was taken into custody Sunday afternoon after using a Chicago church for a year as a v to avoid deportation.
An illegal immigrant who stayed in a Chicago church for a year to avoid separation from her 8-year-old son, a U.S. citizen, was arrested Sunday and being processed for deportation.
Elvira Arellano, who arrived in Los Angeles on Saturday after leaving her sanctuary to campaign for immigration reform, was arrested around 1:30 p.m. outside Our Lady Queen of Angels Catholic Church where she had been speaking to reporters, said the Rev. Walter Coleman, pastor of Adalberto United Methodist, the Chicago church.
Arellano was “being processed for removal to Mexico based upon a deportation order originally issued by a federal immigration judge in 1997,” U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement said in a news release. (CBS2)
As Hot Air states … “No Sanctuary for You”.
One persons immigration activist is another persons “identity theft” felon. Since when do we feel sad for those that commit identity theft?
She was first deported in 1997 but returned in 2000, just in time to have a son, Saul, who is an American citizen. She was arrested and convicted in 2002 for working under someone else’s social security number. In other words, she stole an innocent person’s identity.
Blue Crab Boulevard asks the same questions.
Apparently, they want everyone to feel really bad because a woman who repeatedly broke the laws of this nation is now in custody. We are supposed to be ashamed, for some reason, that a woman who is a convicted felon, who stole an American’s identity is now in custody.
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One word: finally.
1 down, 19,999,999 to go.
I have a hugh problem with “born here…automatically a citizen”. Not if you parents are illegals I say!!!
What does everyone else think? I feel to be a citizen, you MUST be born of at least ONE American CITIZEN…NOT resident. It’s how they get their foot in the door with NO intention of doing anything other than living on our tailcoats. EVERY one in here illegally is here for what THEY can get, not give. I’ll challenge anyone to that.
Brenda
I’ve personally met some illegals immigrants from Mexico, and all I can really say is if I had met these folks before I lived in Mexico, I would never have travelled there in the first place. From the bunch I met, they all seem to have one single commonality. The word is FREELOADER. These are NOT the kind of Mexicans I knew when I lived in Mexico.
As for this dunce to leave her so-called ‘sanctuary’, she obviously thought she was in for a free ride. But hey, they deport her, so what? She’ll be back.
…anyone BORN here IS an American, whether one likes it or not. That simple fact will not change, unless we become a totalitarian system(which it seems some would be quiete comfortable with).
We should in reality start exhibiting some Christian and Judaic values in our efforts to help young citizens of this country keep their mothers here. The fact that you want to toss an 8 year old WHO WAS BORN HERE out of his own country shows the callousness of your thoughts and belief system.
But hey, it’s a free country, so think what you want.
There are too many illegal immigrants who are REAL criminals we can go after, drug dealers, murderers, rapists, etc. without putting our crosshairs on a mother(who would work and support this systems).
Anyhow, Brenda, nothing personal and have a great day.
As for her identity theft, I would have no problem in giving her a sentence and her serving time. But she should be helped someway in supporting her American son here in the US after she pays her debt to society.
The fact that she works is a plus, not a minus.
I can see both sides of an issue.
The 14th Amendment was written before people from other countries, and their supporters here, decided that protecting our borders was racist and if you come here and work, you are here legally. Even if you’re working with fraudulent identification. I say if you don’t respect our laws you need to be in jail or deported. If you want our laws changed, you have the right in the US to try to make that happen, but it shouldn’t be done by breaking laws or endangering the lives of those legally living in the US. I sympathize with Elvira’s son, but his mother caused these problems, not the US government, about whom Elvira said “they won’t let us be happy”.
In this 9-11 world, having an illegal alien working in one of our airports, as Elvira was with her illegal identification, is inexcusable. She needs to go home. Her son can stay or go, whether I agree with the whole “anchor baby” situation or not. Vaya con Dios, Elvira. Do it right next time.
I just turned on the news and Elvira is in Mexico already. There’s a protest taking place in Chicago where people are demanding that the US stop breaking up families.
She should take her son back to Mexico with her, and then apply for citizenship and come here legally.
My parents came from Scotland, and stood in line for hours on Ellis island to come here legally..they also became American citizens.
We have too many illegals here!
Hi Kazee…I don’t take it personal, but if you’re born here, that alone don’t make you an American. If I were born in Africa, I wouldn’t be black. YOu know? I’m sickly white looking as any cracker no matter where I was born (can I say that?)
If that were true, ANY one ANYWHERE in the world could come here to pop out babies so they would be automatic citizens. YES…I understand it IS the law. A bad law. It definately must be changed. We cannot continue to allow our resources of citizen’s to be plundered by such.
Still, I do respect your opinion, but my broken record will remind of my uncle who was a TX boarder guared got ambushed and killed by illegals. State never did recover his service revolver…but those illegal murders are HERE!!! Want their kids to be automatic citizens? I don’t.
Brenda
Kay Zee, forgot to mention that I refuse to give a red cent to that illegal woman or her son who deserve nothing out of my pocket.
I am white and work, so there is no government help for me. Just ain’t right. Send that criminal and her criminal spawn home.
I understand how people have a very, difficult time with this issue because family is sacred to many, but my family is sacred to me…not some criminal who crept in here disregarding the law of the land. Send that child home to its REAL FAMILY to pay the bill of taking care of him while mommy does her well, deserved time for being the criminal she is.
I did notice the Mexican government didn’t lift a finger for my aunt or my cousins who lost their father at the hand of yet another illegal criminal who crossed our boarder…..hmmmm.
Brenda
Here we have a fine example of a young single mother now with a little child who comes into America illegally, then continues to break laws which are Felony’s of America by using someone’s else’s S.S. # in which any normal US citizen would be arrested and thrown into prison for such a crime, these so called witch hunters who track down the illegal felons who come into America putting strain and burden for the shoulders of countless US citizens to pick up the tab for insurance, medical, education, gangs, jails, drug’s, drunks and 100’s of other things not mentioned that add to the problem.
Send ALL illegals packing back to wherever the hell they came from, so fast that their heads spin!! No compassion…It’s the law
I have a real problem when someone argues that we should ignore our laws and allow illegals in this country to keep the family together.
What about all the people who want to come to America but legally wait in line? They too will be separated from their families if they come to America legally. Are they lesser people? Do they deserve to have a longer line because of those that cut the line and jump in illegally?
Just how much and how many illegals do you think the middle class can afford to keep paying for at an estimated $17,000 per illegal? When comes the straw that broke the taxpayer’s back?
Should not legally Americans get a chance to live that American Dream they’ve worked so hard for? Or should they be taxed into oblivion so we can keep illegals and their families together?
Illegals in this country is a huge problem and I don’t think our government has a clue how big it really is or an idea of what to do about it. The past ten years in the state I live in has seen an enormous jump in the quantity of Mexicans working and living here. They are having babies left and right. I am angry they are getting away with this and as long as our country does nothing it will get worse, before long they will out number us. I wish you all could see Wal-Mart on a Fri. night here when they are all out spending their food stamps. Come to this country the right way and learn to speak ENGLISH! And another thing that bugs me is when you go to read a label of any product, you have to search to find it written in English.
Kay Zee Ess said: “…anyone BORN here IS an American, whether one likes it or not. That simple fact will not change, unless we become a totalitarian system(which it seems some would be quiete comfortable with).”
SteveDinMD: Actually, you’re wrong. Not everyone born in the U.S. is entitled to U.S. citizenship. In particular, children born to foreign diplomats and embassy staff in the United States or its territories are specifically DENIED U.S. citizenship by an act of Congress. Congress can and should enact a similar law granting citizenship only to those born in the U.S. to either citizens or permanent resident aliens (i.e. legal immigrants). All others should be denied citizenship — and be deported.
With the construction of the NAFTA superhighway from Mexico-United States-Canada,of which the Trans-Texas Corridor – 35 (TTC-35) Oklahoma to Mexico/Gulf Coast Element is a part, we very well may see a comprehensive and fair immigration policy down the road.
That would be fair, indeed.
Maybe if we spent more money on helping Mexico and
it’ economy, we wouldn’t have so many people trying to cross the border as if they are going to heaven.
We do less for the people in Mexico than any other
country that I can think of. We passed NAFTA which made our jobs go south, but the result is American companies paying about $14 a week (less than we paid our maid) for factory workers that would be making $250 or more a week in the U.S. The high-paying jobs are taken by ex-patriots.
Example:
Mercedes Benz, Freightliner Corporation, Chrysler, Dodge all have plants in Mexico. The raw material is generally produced in the U.S. and shipped to be assembled in Mexico for pennies on the dollar. The Mexican is not getting paid any more than they were before NAFTA and yet we pay the same price for a car, whether it is produced in Mexico or in the U.S. The only people benefitting from NAFTA is the big corporations that don’t have to pay high wages nor pay taxes on the products shipped back and forth accross the border.
If either Mexico or the U.S. made the wages in Mexico higher or enforced a minimum wage, it wouldnt make a difference in our pocketbooks and it might encourage more Mexicans to stay in Mexico to work, rather than risking their lives to come here to work.
I’ve lived there. My ex was an ex-patriot. I know what those factory workers make and it’s a sin that someone should have to work so hard for so little while my husband was making over a quarter of a million a year… only because he’s an American who speaks Spanish fluently and was at the right place at the right time.
Be glad you were born here, but don’t criticize others for wanting the same thing you have in the way of citizenship. It makes ALL the difference in the world.
Education:
America: Provides public education free of charge to grade 12.
Mexico: Provides public education free of charge to grade 6. Their schools are well below health standards and the average citizen has a 3rd grade education.
What mother WOULDN’T want their child to have the opportunities that come with being an American vs the disadvantages that come with being a Mexican?
Until you see with your own eyes the vast amount of poverty in Mexico, you will never understand.
In America, we live in houses with foundations and roofs. In many parts of Mexico, people live on dirt floors with a carp as a roof.
As long as there is so much disparity between the two countries, you are always going to have women trying to birth their children here and men and women trying to sneek across the border for work. Cure the poverty… you cure the illegal immigration problem.
Think about it…
I would like to say one more thing:
It is not only American corporations that contribute to the problems in Mexico. The bulk of the poverty problem is related to the vast difference between the rich and poor. The rich are richer than any American I’ve ever met and I’ve met alot of wealthy people in my work as a public accountant, one was the man that owns all the UPS planes and contracts… very wealthy, but also one of the most humanitarian people I had ever met. Annually, he flies planes over the Nile River to kill the tse tse fly that causes river blindness. He has organized and dropped thouands of tons of food for the starving in Africa, financing the trip, himself. He supports countless charities and is always there to lend a helping hand in the way of scholarships and sponsorships for young men that can’t afford pilot school.
On the opposite side, Mexico: The wealthy are generally not concerned with the ails of the sick or the poor. In fact, they take advantage of the poor, generating bigger profits for themselves. Many Mexican households had three maids for the price that we paid our one maid. They are not concerned about the public schools as all their children attend private schools from kindegarten through high school. Their children are able to attend medical school directly upon graduating grade 12. The poor are looked upon as being disgusting, and untouchable. They drive their Escalades through the poorest side of town to drop their children off at their schools which are state of the art… without blinking an eye. Their schools are guarded and surrounded by huge fences with barbed wire stretched accros the top. They live in HUGE 8 to 10,000 square foot houses with marble walls encircling their little piece of paradise. They have their own swimming pools, tennis courts and some even have their own private collection of miniture horses, only to look at as ornaments. While most people are not allowed to own guns, they have armed guards at the guard house near the driveway entrance. They are not concerned with charity, other than the country club functions which are far and few between.
I can proudly say that I am glad to be an American that has a conscience and compassion for my fellow citizens, but more than that for humankind everywhere. There are few people who have money that are truly proud to be Mexican. Mexico, to them, is an embarrassment… one that they perpetuate because it’s so much easier to drive behind their gates and pretend that they’re somewhere else. As long as they have their money, they feel that they are beyond any problems that their country may have… they are truly blind to the pain and suffering that exists.
To punish the poorest of the poor for having a dream of something better is in my opinion callous and crude. How I would dream of America, if I were one of them. The land of the free and the home of the brave. One of the only places on earth where you can build a good life, have a nice home and be treated with dignity, if only you work hard enough… and there is no one that I have seen that works harder than the working class Mexican… no one.
What Elvira did was wrong, but she is a mother and being a mother myself, I must admit, there is nothing that I wouldn’t do for my children.
Thank you, Patti, for your sincere and heartfelt input. God bless.
>>To punish the poorest of the poor for having a dream of something better is in my opinion callous and crude. >>>>>>>>>>
No one wants to punish anyone for having a dream. However, some of us don’t want to allow illegals to illegally obtain their dream on someone else’s dime. Each and every illegal costs the US taxpayer $17,000. Take $17,000 times 20 million and you get one heck of a big number.
Should Americans be deprived of their dream so that illegals can have theirs? Should those who wait in line to immigrate to the USA be deprived of their dream because illegals cut the line?
Patti – I’ve been in those marbled houses you talk about, which I also believe were created by hard work. At the same time, I’ve also been a guest in the houses of the working class Mexican. One in particular used a blanket for his front door.
By not fixing Mexico’s economic problems due to it’s own beaurocratic corruption, the problem on what to do about it’s unemployed is passed on to the United States. Mexico’s government is exporting it’s poverty to the United States.
As I mentioned, I have personally met some Mexican illegals here, and as time went by the old saying “Familiarity breeds contempt” certainly applies. As an example, what I came to find is that someone like myself, who a year and a half ago had his appendix removed, pays an exorbinant amount for that type of operation. Not because that’s what it costs, but to cover other bills from medicare for other patients. In this one example, there was an illegal woman my wife came to know who gave birth in the same hospital I stayed in. My bill was $24,000. Her’s was $0.00, due to medicare assistance and a falsified Social Security Number. Her pregnancy was a choice. My appendistis was not. But I got stuck with her bill and mine.
And if someone feels it would be a good idea to call me a racist for my views on this subject, particularly how it applies to Mexicans, they’d be hard pressed to prove it. All together I’ve lived and worked in Mexico for 3 1/2 years, I am fluent in Spanish and my wife is Mexican, as are all of my dopey in-laws. I still have friends there, that I see when I visit. This isn’t about race. Its about the law. Illegal is illegal, no matter where a person is from.
To make it more interesting, I am also awaiting my green card approval. That’s right, I am one of those LEGAL immigrants that has waited in line for over 3 years to get my LEGAL papers. Just last month I paid over $3000 in legal and medical fees.
So, I have a hard time feeling for the likes of Elvira. Do I look down on her for being poor? NO. I look down on her for using her son as a pawn so as to canvas public sympathy for committing a crime as if it were her right.
In the meantime, I await my green card.
I think Patti has missed the point. I am personally extremely proud to be an American & understand all the wonderful things that this country has to offer. I know why people want to come here, and I welcome them to do so. But do it correctly. Learn the language, learn the laws, come here legally and be a productive member of society. What makes America so great is that it is so welcoming & so diverse in cultures and history. Allowing anyone to come here and tarnish that by mooching off of those who have worked so hard to obtain their LEGAL citizenship is just plain wrong. Mexico wouldn’t have it if the situation were reversed. I mean, take Dog the Bounty Hunter for example. Had the statute of limitations not run out, an American would be sitting in jail for violating their laws. Can they not expect the same from us?
I’m sorry, obviously I don’t understand. Is “kay zee ess” saying that, if a couple from France happens to be in the U.S. when their child is born, their child is an American citizen? I don’t think so!
Actually, Bill, I think that if a French family is in the U.S. when their child is born, the child receives dual citizenship if the family opts to apply for it.
I also think, but am not sure that the Mexican child also receives dual citizenship.
Michelle: I didn’t miss the point and you reiterated it beautifully. The problem is that there just aren’t enough spots available for the number of people that want to come here. I’m sure that Nurturer can attest to the number of people that save their money for years to try to attain American citizenship, just as there are many that try to come here illegally, paying large amounts of money to smugglers… many end up either dead or missing. To migrate to the U.S. is a big money operation on both sides of the border.
Nurturer:
I’m sorry to hear of your operation and I hope you’re feeling better. All I’m saying is that it is evident that the wealthy who live South of the border are not willing to make any changes to make it possible to help end the illegal migration problem and until something is done THERE we are always going to have people fleeing that country, seeking out a better life. This is not a racist issue, it’s an economic one and in todays world, the economy of a country as close as Mexico effects us. The world is getting smaller and smaller and we need to learn to work together with our neighboring countries… for the good of all of us.
The amount of money to build a wall between our neighbors would go far in negotiating solutions instead of seperation.
You’re right about those houses, they are built by hand with hand tools and buckets… no modern day amenities. I lived in a brand new house that wasn’t quite finished before I moved in and saw it for myself. I lived in San Pedro, the “Hollywood” of Mexico, outside of Monterrey. Now, most of the automobile plants are in Toluca, outside of Mexico City, one of the most polluted cities in the world.
Good luck with getting your green card. I wish you prosperity and happiness.
Kay Zee Ess:
It’s too bad that we can’t spread our heartfelt feelings to others and make a difference. Like I said, it’s not a racial issue, but in some cases it is.
How do you think the farming industries would do if there were no illegals coming here to work in the fields? Are there Anglo-Americans willing to work under their conditions, for very little money and living under a couple trees connected by a tarp? There have already been food price increases due to the high cost of shipping, what do people think would happen if the farmers had to pay minimum wage for the work that the Mexicans do?
Although American’s are famous for being racists. The proof being the need to indorse “hate crime” legislation? But, I’m sure that Nurturer will agree with me that the racism against Mexicans and Mexican Indians is a major problem in Mexico where the majority of the wealthy are of Spanish origin. My kids went to school with many people who were direct decendants of the original Spaniards that invaded the country, killing hundreds of thousands of Mexicans. They still have the hate that originated in the war. Their children are not allowed to associate with them and like I said, they are treated as no more than slaves, especially the Mexican Indian.
We are not perfect, but if you solved the hate and put an end to the caste system that they live under, you’d go far in solving our problems, as well. But, hell, who are we to talk? We have citizens in our country, the richest country in the world, living in shanties with dirt floors mostly in the South, suffering from malnutrition. We are no one to speak when it comes to the inhumane way that people are treated.
I agree with you. I hope that Elvira will, one day, be able to raise her child in a country in which he will be provided an education and will be able earn an honest pay for an honest day’s work instead of living in sub-standard living conditions hoping that the rains don’t come.
There are a lot of church affiliated groups that go down to help repair the public shcools, work with families in need and help with flooding victims. I think that it would be beneficial for anyone that complains about Mexican’s trying to come to the U.S either legally, or illegally to have to do an internship in Mexico to see what it’s really like. I don’t mean Cancun, and the like, I mean in the cities like Monterrey, Toluca, Mexico City, Guadalajara as well as in the villages where you see the REAL Mexico. Visit the hospitals, read up on the child mortality rate, the average life span of Mexicans and the dirty conditions under which they have to live. Then ask yourself… What would you do?
You and me, Baby, we could make the world a better place to be if only people would look into their hearts and realize that we are all human beings with the same desires for our children and future generations.
Power to the People!
True Patti, we are indeed all human beings with similar desires but some of us have to pay for our desires and it is breaking our backs to pay for desires of others. I note that you have not addressed by questions through out this thread.
I am not racist. I don’t care what nationality or color an illegal is – I believe all people who enter and stay in this country should be denied citizenship and but out the back door. I believe that all people are equal and therefore putting illegals in front of people who have waited for their turn to live the American Dream is playing favorites for breaking the law.
What would farmers do without illegals? First, please remember that the “family farm” isn’t really where our fruits and vegetables come from these days. They are far more apt to come from the “Corporate Farm”.
What would they do without illegals? They would stop stuffing their pockets with illegal gains and have to pay a decent wage for a decent day of work. Yeah, lettuce might go up $0.15 but then we wouldn’t be paying $17,000 for each and every illegal in this country so we could afford rising prices.
Two corrections to my above post:
“answered by questions” should be: “answered my questions”
“I believe all people who enter and stay in this country should be denied citizenship and but out the back door.” should be:
I believe all people who enter and stay in this country illegally should be denied citizenship and but out the back door.
Katablog:
Where do you come up with this $17,000 a year per person for each illegal immigrant?
And if I understand your comment you think EVERYONE of every origin should not be allowed to migrate here? Isn’t that against the principals that this country was founded on? Remember the words on the Statue of Liberty? I am second generation American, had my grandparents not migrated here, you would not be blessed with my presence. (Smile)
Fact is, what ever the cost, the problem is not going to go away. The best country in the world is the U.S. and there will always be people who want to live here, whether they be Mexican, Asian or European. None of us would be here if not for immigration.
It would appear that Patti is in need of a refresher course on U.S. history and the Constitution. This country was founded exclusively for the benefit of the CITIZENS and no one else. Non-citizens, in particular those living beyond our borders, have NO rights under the Constitution nor any of our laws, and therefore have NO right to expect us to injure or inconvenience ourselves strictly for their benefit.
Moreover, it’s obvious that, given the opportunity, the overwhelming bulk of humanity would prefer to live in the U.S., but their fond wishes simply cannot be indulged. Everyone in the world cannot live in this country; there’s not enough room. That being a given, it is therefore up to the CITIZENS to determine who may or may not immigrate here. The rational thing would be to admit only those whose presence would be a net benefit to the country. All others should be denied entry. Unfortunately, this would exclude many decent, desperate people, but the situation can’t be helped. We can’t allow them to “swamp the lifeboat,” so to speak. As for those denied entry to the U.S., we should encourage them to work toward improving the societies they would choose to leave so that over time there will be less incentive for them to do so.
14th amendment , all persons bornor naturalized in the united statesand subject to the jurisdiction thereof,are citizens of the united states and of the state wherein they reside. no state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunites of citizens of the united states , nor shall any state deprive any person of , life, liberty, or property, without due process of law, nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws HMMMMMMMMMMMMM DOES IT SOUND LIKE OR LIFE , LIBERTY, PROPERTY , HAS BEEN TAKEN AWAY , BUT CAN ANYONE EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT THIS MEANS ????????
not sure why the whole message didn’t post.
Patti, you do need to read more completely what I say. I have NO problem with any nationality coming to America legally. Don’t try to play race card where there isn’t one.
Of course America should accept people legally immigrating here. But it is up to US officials to determine how many immigrants our system can handle. US laws must be obeyed regarding immigration, we can’t just have anyone and everyone coming here willy nilly; otherwise we end up with over taxed and dead Americans (due to criminals).
The $17,000 per illegal immigrant came from several news articles I read (which I can’t find right now) where in-depth studies were done on the welfare benefits, additional costs to schools, medicare, medicaid, etc. that illegals cost the taxpayer. It took into consideration illegals’ payments into the system vs. costs drawn out of the system.
Here is just one reference to costs of schooling and remember this is a 2004 article:
According to the Center for Immigration Studies, average annual cost per child K-12 is $7,161.00 and exceeds $109 billion annually per cycle of anchor babies.
http://www.newswithviews.com/Wooldridge/frosty2.htm
Patti is right about the racism that exists in Mexico coming from the well-to-do, lighter complected Spanish decendents, towards their darker complected indigenous counterparts. I saw it and experienced it as I was discouraged from associating with the ‘true Mexicans’. But again, this is a Mexican problem. Not an American problem. As is their poverty situation. One of the most wealthy and richest countries in the world due to it’s natural resources and tourism, also has one of the most polluted cities on the planet – Mexico City. And it remains that way to the indifference of Mexico’s leaders, as does the poverty situation. It is no suprise that Mexico has also officially endorsed the ‘exporting of Mexico’s poverty’ through the handing out of brochures on ‘How to crossover’, so to speak. This relinquishes the Mexican government’s responsiblilty to provide for its own citizens and places the burden on the United States. THIS IS RIGHT? No doubt, if there was work to be found in Mexico, that the average Mexican would stay in their own country. However, due to the ineptness of their own government, they migrate here to find their future. And when you get down to it, this is a national security issue.
All of the 9/11 hijackers could have passed for Mexcian or Latin American immigrants, and that is the big concern now. As airports and border checkpoints have PRESUMABLY tightened, the assumption is that terrorists will attempt to cross the Mexico/US border.
But hey, wasn’t Elvira cleaning airplanes at O’Hare? Nice job HOMELAND SECURITY.
Many tend to forget, as they watch American Idol, Lost and Oprah, that WE ARE AT WAR. When will the next Mohammad Atta be found cleaning planes in this country’s airports, under the guise of being a Mexican national? Watch tapes of the 9/11 destruction and be reminded of what could be repeated.
Well… it looks like we are all in agreement. Mexico needs to get it’s shit together, part of which I think NAFTA was a major piece of flushing the country down the toilet. Sold as a means to unite the U.S., Mexico and Canadian commercial industries has done nothing of the sorts.
American’s think that it’s fine that the country of Mexico is missing out on hundreds of thousands of dollars earned from shipping products back and forth over it’s borders and think nothing of having a man work in what I would call SWEAT Factories building cars, trucks, busses, cement trucks and other forms of transportation. But not only that, we don’t even care that the companies that are shipping these cars back to the U.S. are not giving us a break on the cost of those items, lining the pockets of huge corporations and their shareholders. Where is the humanity in that?
NAFTA was going to be the solution to all our problems, specifically, illegal migration and we all swallowed the sale hook, line and sinker. While the fact is that illegal migration to the U.S. has gotten worse, not better.
I have no answers other than to try to understand the human side of it. How can any of us blame them from wanting to live here or to have their children here. The article says that we need to stop feeling sorry for them, but for me that is impossible. As poor as they are, or as desperate as they may seem, they are still human beings.
Dr. Steve:
I think that you need to realize that this country has never only taken the best from any society… only the ones that were lucky enough to be at the right place at the right time. It’s funny that you speak of seperating people the good from the bad, when the fore-fathers of this country were the most insidious, dangerous criminals in England.
I’m sorry, but I have a real hard time thinking that we,as Americans,are the best of the lot when we have numerous problems of our own. We are the most violent country in the world and that doesn’t come from the Mexican illegals, that comes from within our own families… multi-generation American.
Tracy:
It means just what it says. If you’re born here, you are a citizen with the same right to life, liberty and justice as everyone else. How does that take from you? Do you not think that there is enough of it to go around? I would hate to think that we live in a country, like MD described, where your human rights would depend on your I.Q… I wonder if any of us would meet that requirement.
Nurturer?
What the ?!?!?! You’re worried about Mexicans working at airports??? We’re at war, but what the helk, we’ve been at war or have been calling ourselves policing the world for the past fifteen years. Who do we think we are? God, the Super Power???
Hell, we can’t even keep peace with our next door neighbors, how are we to be expected to tell everyone else the way they have to live?
9-11 was nothing compared to the amount of bloodshed we have carried out over the past 200 years. And now, you’re going to suggest that we stop hiring Mexican people at the airport for fear that they may be Mohammad Atta, himself? Everyone knows the pilots involved were not illegal immigrants, they were guests in this country, with high I.Q.’s and attending pilot school under military grants!
Thinking about that makes me realize why so many of you are afraid of the guy next door, but I prefer to entrust my safety to God, the real one and not the likes of any government or it’s policies.
Taking in the poor, has always been a tradition in this country and I can hardly think of an occasion where it served us anything but good. We don’t need a country of super-stars, we need a country of common people with big hearts and an appreciation for what this country is; Land of the free; One nation, under God, indivisable with liberty and justice for all.
Patti, you simply don’t have your facts straight. A number of the 9/11 hijackers were in this country illegally.
That being said, if you were a terrorist right now, just how would you enter this country? Me, I’d go over the border between Mexico and the US – it’s the leakest sieve we’ve got going.
Feel sorry for the poor. It’s understandable. But while you are doing that, please feel sorry for your countrymen being taxed out of their homes, forced to subsist on dog food because they can’t afford real food or having to forego their prescriptions because they are having to pay for illegals to live their American Dream. Be concerned that these seniors have worked hard all their life, paid their taxes and are in this country legally but everyone is turning a blind eye to them while they openly welcome those who break our laws in entering into this country.
“And now, you’re going to suggest that we stop hiring Mexican people at the airport for fear that they may be Mohammad Atta, himself?”
Read what I write, please. I did not write that Mexican people should not be hired. My point is Fasist Islamic TERRORISTS can be confused for Mexican ILLEGALS and hired into areas which normally might not be accessible, IE, a commercial airliner.
And my guess is that you have not lived 200 years, but you were around during the 9/11 attacks. To compare what you probably read in history books to a direct attack on YOUR country is a bit confusing to me. Perhaps when the next attack comes, and it is a relative of yours that dies in that attack, I believe Patti, that you will be one of the first to demand tighter border security.
Nurturer:
I Don’t know how 9-11 got into this… it has nothing to do with the immigration problems that we have with legals and non-legals from Mexico. And I’m sorry if I offended you with the fact that we have been using our military in various countries, policing the world. I would hope that my son would never die in such a mission, nor in any terrorist attack on this nation, in this nation… but I don’t loose any sleep over it.
9-11 had done more to cause death, destruction and political upheaveal in the middle east than anything else, and, saddly, I’m still not convinced that our own country did everything possible to see that it didn’t happen. In fact, the first thought in my mind was that it was something cooked up by the many war monger to see to it that we retaliate and become involved with more fighting in Iraq. President Bush’s personal arch-enemy because of personal threats that have been made to his father, not to mention the “oil” factor.
I read my history books but I also use my own mind and reasoning to see that the attack on 9-11 was enough to get this country behind a president who broke the rules in making retalitory attacks against Iraq without the permission of congress. I wonder if he has any Mexican blood running through his blood because that was a crime that costs many their lives, both Iraqi and American.
I support the troups becaue they are there to serve their country and do the jobs ordered of them by their superiors, but I also know that politics can be cruel and ugly, especially when you have a personal vandeta and a desire to control most of the worlds oil.
My constitutional rights provide me with the right to my opinion and I find it hilarious that Sadam Hussein was considered an American ally during the time that he bombed his own people with gas and burned their villages. It was not until the threat that he may take over the oil wells and reserves in Kuait that he became our enemy, painted as a tyrant and devil. He was a tyrant and a devil, but not only upon his crossing into Kuait, but during his whole reign, during most of the time he had our support, both morally and with weaponry.
I already said that we are the most violent country in the world and that includes our actions both internally and externally. We speak of peace and democracy, but since the cold war has ended, how many acts of war have we committed abroad?
I prefer to have the Peaceful Mexican visit our country that many of the Generals on their power trips that rush to war instead of trying to reach peace through negotiation, compromise and love for their fellow men, women and children.
The whole world is not responsible for the acts of a few terrorists, just as a whole city is not responsible for the rapes and murders that take place in it and to invade and bomb villages because of the act of Ben Laden goes totally against and logic and sensibility.
Perhaps we give them EVERY reason to hate us. After all, we support Israel, the country responsible for more death and mayhem than any country in that region. I suppose they will be our friends until they do somthing outragous, as if they haven’t already and then we will paint them as another Hitler (smile) as we do all our other enemies.
To the people of nearly every country in the middle east, those so called “terrorists” were considered heros in leveling the score for all the hate, attacks upon unarmed people, and destruction of homes and property that we have supported for years. Israel, without our backing would be nothing against ALL the enemies that they have managed to acquire over the years.
In closing, that is my point, we all need to learn to live peacefully with our neighbors and stop feeling that we are somehow better than them. Then we might truly have peace in this world…
Where do I begin???
Patti said: “I’m sorry, but I have a real hard time thinking that we,as Americans,are the best of the lot when we have numerous problems of our own.”
SteveDinMD: If, as you say, we have enough problems in this country, why should we import others’ problems to add to our own?
Patti said: “We are the most violent country in the world and that doesn’t come from the Mexican illegals, that comes from within our own families… multi-generation American.”
SteveDinMD: Not so!!! Violence in the U.S. is highly localized and affects only an infinitesimal slice of the population. Discounting violence from ~2% of ZIP Codes, in fact, the U.S. is one of the LEAST violent countries on Earth. Among European countries, only Switzerland is less violence prone. Further stratifying the data, one finds that the poor, and especially POOR IMMIGRANTS — particularly ILLEGALS — are responsible for an overwhelmingly disproportionate share of violent crime.
Patti said: “Hell, we can’t even keep peace with our next door neighbors, how are we to be expected to tell everyone else the way they have to live?”
SteveDinMD: I wouldn’t presume to tell the Mexicans what they should do within the borders of their own country, as they shouldn’t presume to tell us. As for keeping the peace between our two countries, good fences make good neighbors. The problems between the U.S. and Mexico are nothing that a continuous, impenetrable barricade from Brownsville, TX to Imperial Beach, CA wouldn’t solve.
Patti said: “Taking in the poor, has always been a tradition in this country and I can hardly think of an occasion where it served us anything but good. We don’t need a country of super-stars, we need a country of common people with big hearts and an appreciation for what this country is; Land of the free; One nation, under God, indivisable with liberty and justice for all.”
StevDinMD: Are you daft??? If paupers were a strategic national resource, Mexico would be a superpower and a veritable Heaven on Earth. That it’s not puts the lie to your foolish assertion. If Mexico can’t benefit from its own impoverished multitudes, then how can one expect the U.S. to do so? Let the Mexicans live in Mexico where they belong. Our own welfare cases are enough of a burden.
Patti said: “I read my history books but I also use my own mind and reasoning to see that the attack on 9-11 was enough to get this country behind a president who broke the rules in making retalitory attacks against Iraq without the permission of congress. I wonder if he has any Mexican blood running through his blood because that was a crime that costs many their lives, both Iraqi and American.”
SteveDinMD: Hmmm, I get the impression that the history book you read was ‘The History of the World According to Bin Laden’. So that you won’t continue to soldier on in ignorance, I’ll have you know that both the U.S. Senate and House of Representatives passed resolutions by overwhelming majorities authorizing the President to wage war in Iraq. This amounted to a de facto declaration of war. Among those Senators voting in favor were none other than Hillary Rodham Clinton and Harry Reid, current Senate Majority Leader. As an aside, though the President isn’t of Mexican ancestry, his brother Jeb (former Florida Governor) is married to a Mexican, with whom he has children.
When SteveDinMd atates “Our own welfare cases are enough of a burden” is he making reference to the big corporate interests that get HUGE taxbreaks, subsidies and write-offs off the backs of those here in the United States that work for a living(middle class)?
I heard tell that some companies even get financial assistance for moving their operations to another country. Can this be true?
If I recall correctly war was waged on Iraq and Bin Ladin BEFORE an approval from the Senate or House of Representatives and I believe that it is only Congress that can declare war. Or is it a humanitarian mission that we’re on? It appears to me that we have been involved in all sorts of humanitarian missions that have resulted in alot of people dying either from our weapons or from the aftermath meaning a total destruction of infra-structure.
Kay zee ess:
You’re right, it is true and that is our countries interpretation of what helping the poor amounts to.
Example: Nike… Paying people to make shoes, that they can’t afford to even buy for themselves. Their children run around barefoot exposed to disease, parasites and infection in spite of the fact that their mothers MAKE shoes.
Nike took alot of flack for that and I think that they either pulled out of the country (I believe it was Indonisia) or raised the pay. Think about that next time you pay over $100 for a pair of Tennis Shoes.
SteveDinMD: Why don’t you face it that we live in a country that exploits the poor and when they get a peek at how we live (rich in their eyes) we penalize them and treat them like they are escaped prisoners. Which isn’t far from the truth.
I lived in Mexico. There is very, very little violent crime there. To be drunk is a disgrace to you and your family and to spill blood (harm someone) is a crime that automatically lands you in jail whether by accident (as in car accidents) or on purpose.
And for you to imagine that European countries have more violence than the U.S. you have to be out of your mind. There has been only one school shooting in all of Europe and it shocked all of Europe. You need to read your newspaper. We lead many countries in the illegal use of drugs and the rate of murder, as well… and those murders don’t take place in two zip codes, they happen everywhere, not discriminating against any color or economic status.
I have friends that are from Scotland that visit Europe at least once, but usually twice a year and know for themselves that there is petty theft everywhere, but when it comes to violent crimes against human beings the U.S. is the worse of all. AND… I beg to differ with you that those crimes are committed more by legal and/or illegal immagrants than our own Countrymen and women.
Maybe it was Jeb’s wife that taught him how to fix an election… people up North don’t share your opinions and views concerning the corruption that got our president into the white house to begin with.
The President that was never “meant” to be.
Patti said: I read my history books but I also use my own mind and reasoning to see that the attack on 9-11 was enough to get this country behind a president who broke the rules in making retalitory attacks against Iraq without the permission of congress. I wonder if he has any Mexican blood running through his blood because that was a crime that costs many their lives, both Iraqi and American.
I say: Patti, 9/11 happened before we attacked Iraq. The Hijackers did have connections with Iraq in that most of them met in Iraq before coming here. The havoc Al Queda is causing in Iraq right now should convince everyone that Al Queda has been involved in both Iraq and 9/11
Your statement about President Bush shows the very racism that you accuse those of us who only want legal Mexicans (or any other nationality) working at our airports.
How on earth can one defend someone working at our airports who has not sworn allegiance to the USA? Do you really think that millions of USA Citizens every day should go through stringent checks at the airport while someone who has broken the law by entering this country works unchecked on the planes they board?
I assume you are referring to the Presidential election of 2002, where a biased liberal (democratic) media prematurely announced Al Gore as the winner in Florida. They did so, conveniently forgeting that the panhandle portion of Florida is in the Central Time Zone and therefore, was still voting. It was those votes, not Bush’s brother, that defeated Gore in Florida.
Yes, but when those votes were counted, and after Al Gore conceded, he was the winner. Bush did not carry Dade Country as was expected.
Besides that, if all the votes were counted individually, more Amercian’s wanted Al Gore as president than his counter part. Bush has never really had the support of this country for many reasons, like the fake reports filed regarding Iraq’s ability to produce atomic weapons. The whole thing was a farse engineered to get us into a war that, like I said earlier, was about a personal vinetta and oil.
Nurturer, respectfully, I believe that if you look into the facts concerning Dade County, Gore did not win and Al Gore DID in fact carry Florida. But it was too late, Gore had conceded.
We write here, nearly everyday, about corruption and not to take anything away from the corruption that exists in Aruba, it is not the only place where it exists. It’s wrong, no matter where it’s at… especially if it has to do with the death of an innocent girl and the cover-up of a murder.
Katablog:
My statement about Jeb and his wife, is not about race. It is no secret that success in politics in Mexico is ALL about money and nothing else and alot of their elections are corrupt. Whether you know it or not, perhaps I shall be the first to tell you: There is a revolution going on in Mexico under which anyone who speaks out against the government is subject to be arrested, murdered, or disappeared, especially in Mexico City. There have even been travel advisories put out by the State Department because of it. Why do you think there are those phamplets that Nurturer told us about? There is alot of innocent blood being spilled as a result of this revolution because the people there are sick of the corruption.
Concerning 9-11, I have the utmost sympathy for the victims and their families, but even the people of New York want to know why those pilots were being trained by our own government. They, too, think that there is more to the story, or perhaps there is a story behind the story related to the people involved in the 9-11 incident. Surely, you are aware of that?
And no, I don’t think that illegal immagrants should work at the airport, but I think its rediculous to think that we should bad every Mexican from working at the airport because they happen to have dard hair and the color of skin of Middle Easterners…
9-11 is over. What ever happened, we will never know. Was it a conspiracy as some people feel to start a war in the Middle East? Maybe… there certainly are alot of facts that could lead one to think that way. Some people want a complete investigation as they feel that there will be a connection between the terrorists and the Bush Family, I personally, don’t think that we will ever be privy to such information.
But corruption has happened before in that region of the world, under the republican party such as the early release of hostges from Iran bought and paid for by the Reagan Administration. The Iran Contra deal, which resulted in the trial of poor, innocent Oliver North who was following orders of a President that couldn’t remember.
Our hands are not clean.
Debunking Patti’s disinformation is a tedious job, but someone has to do it. What follows is just a small selection of the whoppers she’s posted so far.
Patti said: “If I recall correctly war was waged on Iraq and Bin Ladin BEFORE an approval from the Senate or House of Representatives …
SteveDinMD: Simply put, you’re WRONG. Look it up in ‘The Congressional Record.’ Study carefully; there’ll be a test later on.
Patti said: “Why don’t you face it that we live in a country that exploits the poor and when they get a peek at how we live (rich in their eyes) we penalize them and treat them like they are escaped prisoners. Which isn’t far from the truth.”
SteveDinMD: We exploit the poor??? That’s the most ridiculous thing you’ve written so far. How can I exploit people who have nothing that I want? If you’re looking to comdemn exploitive behavior, though, condemn those who encourage a flood of illegal aliens to sweep over the country, depressing the wages of those here who work for a living. If you want to help people of modest means in this country, keep the Mexicans south of the border.
Patti said: “Yes, but when those votes were counted, and after Al Gore conceded, he was the winner. Bush did not carry Dade Country as was expected.”
SteveDinMD: For my next lesson in Citizenship and the Constitution, I direct your attention to Article II, Section 1, as modified by the 12th Ammendment. As specified therein, the President and Vice President are elected by the Electoral College. The gross popular vote has neither force nor effect, and is reported only as point of peripheral interest. As pertaining to Dade County, Florida, it’s a heavily Democrat area that Bush was never expected to win, nor did he need to. Republican votes elsewhere in the state and from military personnel voting absentee were more than enough to offset reverses in Dade County precincts.
Patti said: “9-11 is over. What ever happened, we will never know. Was it a conspiracy as some people feel to start a war in the Middle East? Maybe… there certainly are alot of facts that could lead one to think that way. Some people want a complete investigation as they feel that there will be a connection between the terrorists and the Bush Family, I personally, don’t think that we will ever be privy to such information.”
SteveDinMD: Ah, you’re a student of Ward Churchill, I see. Given enough time, I’m certain you’ll make a fine Holocaust denier in your own right.
The illegal immigrant issue is a bipartisan one. If you are dreaming that our reps, both elephants and donkeys, want to stop it, you are indeed more naive in affairs of economy than I thought.
This will not stop. We had more than five years since Sept 12, 2001(day after) to close and protect our borders but both parties were more than happy to keep a revolving door, allowing God knows how many more terrorists in. Reason? Good economics for big companies.
Bean-counters call this playing the odds. What would you call it, StevedinMD.
And no, it is NOT going to stop as there is no one you can elect that will not support this status quo. So solly, charlie.
Once upon a time, when osama bin laden was CIA and wreaking havoc amongst the Ruskies, we hailed the SOB. We catered to Sadam as well.
As I have no sympathy for Sadams’ fate and I care more than our own President(by his own admission) to see Oasama executed, I just wanted to illustrate the total hypocrisy of NOT securing our borders Sept. 12, 2001.
I would make any Mexican immigrant who came here to seek honest employment and follow the laws of our land and does not commit violent crimes or run drugs a welcome guest so we could use our resources to identify and neutralize our real enemies, terrorists, drug runners and violent criminals who harm or desire to harm our life and democracy.
Maybe too late, but what the heck.
kay zee ess said: “The illegal immigrant issue is a bipartisan one. If you are dreaming that our reps, both elephants and donkeys, want to stop it, you are indeed more naive in affairs of economy than I thought.
This will not stop. We had more than five years since Sept 12, 2001(day after) to close and protect our borders but both parties were more than happy to keep a revolving door, allowing God knows how many more terrorists in. Reason? Good economics for big companies.
Bean-counters call this playing the odds. What would you call it, StevedinMD.
And no, it is NOT going to stop as there is no one you can elect that will not support this status quo. So solly, charlie.”
SteveDinMD: I can’t say that I completely disagree with you. There are many on both sides of the aisle, including the President, who would prefer keep the immigration (both legal and illegal) floodgates open. In so doing, Republicans are catering to business interests looking to reduce the cost of labor, whereas Democrats are seeking out new pools of potential welfare recipients whom they can turn into welfare voters. I abhor both schools of thought. For whom can WE vote, you ask? If immigration and border control remain important enough issues among the public for long enough, politicians will over time emerge who will cater to that point of view. Tom Tancredo and Duncan Hunter are among those who are currently leading the way in this regard.
SteveDinMD, you nailed it. I don’t believe the old myth that illegals come here to work the jobs that American kids won’t take. American kids simply refuse to be accept $3.00 to $4.00 dollars an hour for their efforts. Illegals don’t mind.
And the old Democratic (Socialist) strategy of inviting the disenfrancised from other countries for that essential welfare vote can be seen not only here, but in more left leaning countries such as Canada and most of Western Europe. All of which the cultures of their countries have changed markedly, thanks to open-door immigration policies, paid for by their hardworking taxpayers, and handed out by their lacky politians.
Hmmm…maybe Elvira WILL be ambassador of Transportation following the next sentences I have to proffer…
Congrats to the bipartisan effort to allow over 100 Mexican trucking companies to be allowed to roll their wares into the USA…ANYWHERE IN THE STATES!
Don’t you worry none, their trucks will be up to our standards, their drivers will have a license and some of them might even have insurance. Mexican laws have NO minimum as to how long they can drive without rest so we will get our goods delivered on time!
People are crying about this one but our own President Bush fought hard and long for this dream to become a reality. He originally wanted this to start on Labor Day but the spoilsports just had to give it one more try and delayed it a couple of days.
Anyway, hope you guys like this one. Just another step closer to no more “illegal” aliens.
I don’t think people should judge other people for being from a different race, different color, or different background. They aren’t aliens they are people like you who are looking for a better future.. I CAN PROUDLY SAY IM MEXICAN AND I WILL NEVER DENIED MY OWN RACE OR BACKGROUND…. 100% MEXICAN TILL THE END…