RSSLets Hope that Court TV’s “Haunting Evidence” Provides some Clues for Missing Natalee Holloway
We need evidence and leads, not just “Haunting Evidence”
Tonight at 10pm et, Court TV “Haunting Evidence” will air a segment on the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. We hope that there is substance to this show that it provides clues and insight and not just an attempt at a ratings grab from teaser promos. We shall see and hope for the best. It is our understanding from past conversations that there are interviews and comments with Beth Twitty in this show; however, you would never know it from the promo.
We wonder what they will discuss or present as new that most likely has been discussed and presented by individuals on the internet. We have always taken the position that just because it is new to the MSM, that does not make it new or exclusive.
Dave Holloway has also commented on upcoming “Haunting Evidence” TV show in an interview with the Meridian Star.
“Haunting Evidence,” a show on Court TV that deals with strange and as yet unsolved cases, sent a team consisting of paranormal psychics to Alabama and Aruba.
“I’ll probably watch the show more out of curiosity than anything,” said David Holloway Monday. “I don’t think I’d put too much credibility to what they come up with. I think it’s better to leave the investigation up to the professionals.”
If only we could have Dave, if only we could. If the professionals in Aruba had done their job in the first place we most likely would not be discussing Natalee Holloway’s disappearance two years later but instead would be reading about the justice that was received. I question the paranormal as well, but at this point what does one have to lose. Let’s hope this is part of the process that provides “Justice for Natalee.”
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Request from The Netherlands….
Any chance Court TV is going to put this episode of Haunting Evidence on their site? Does anyone know?
Carpe. Or are you going to put it on your the YouTube-CarpeVision-site? In that case thanks in advance cause I’m very curious what this psychic has to say on what happened on Aruba. (We allready know who did it btw…)
Who knows maybe this will get someone to talking and they will get anwsers.
Dave Holloway
MERIDIAN STAR
June 20, 2007
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“I’ll probably watch the show more out of curiosity than anything,” said David Holloway Monday. “I don’t think I’d put too much credibility to what they come up with. I think it’s better to leave the investigation up to the professionals.”
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What “professionals”?? Dave Holloway could not be talking about the “powers that be” in the Aruban investigation who from day one have denied his daughter justice in their attempts to create smokescreens to distance Paulus and Joran from implication in her disappearance?
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THE UNTOLD STORY OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY AND
CORRUPTION IN PARADISE … Dave Holloway
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“Jacobs also told us that the day before we arrived, they had interviewed Joran van der Sloot, Deepak Kalpoe and his brother Satish. Jacobs considered the boys’ statements to be consistent in that they had all said that they dropped Natalee off at the hotel. However, I did not realize at the time that Beth had already told him the tapes did not show Natalee returning to the Holiday Inn that night.”
I wonder if the Haunting Evidence Crew was at or near the Sloot residence?
The good thing about this, is that the show will still keep Natalee Holloway’s name and case out in the open.
BA/J4N
Our answers will come from God in His timing and not from psychics. The bible warns us of seeking out answers from this kind of source. God wants us to draw close to Him in prayer…and like an earthly father….He will give us what is best for us. We just have to let go and believe He will take care of it……and just wait. God Bless
I saw a quick clip of this where the psychic says that Natalee was running along the beach and crying. I don’t know, but for me, all of what occurred happened at the Van Der Sloot HOUSE.
Why?
Because Joran, Satish and Deepak needed privacy for what they had in store for Natalee.
Steve Holloway | June 20, 2007, 9:40 am
Fortunatly psychics don’t have the last word in criminal cases these days. But apparently some of them can in some cases shed new light on investigations if I may believe stories about different actual cases.
5. God wants us to draw close to Him in prayer…and like an earthly father….He will give us what is best for us. We just have to let go and believe He will take care of it……and just wait … Steve Holloway
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Steve … I agree. When God deems that the time is right … there will be justice for your precious niece and … those responsibile for wrongdoing will be held accountable … even if is by the Judge of all judges … the Judge who cannot be corrupted.
However … as a Christian … I believe that waiting on God is not about doing nothing. It is about prayfully pursuing what is right … it is about exposing evil/wrong … while patiently trusting in God’s perfect timing.
Steve .. God Bless
Janet
Mr Holloway, with all due respect..ppl that have dreams or feel things or see things are not all from evil…some are given these special gifts from God, as I have had special feelings or dreams in my past that has helped a family member or warned me that one of my kids were in trouble. Im not saying that Carla has this gift, I dont know..but in the beginning when Natalee first went missing I had two “dreams”of her and i feel they were from her and God. I just wish I could have helped her somehow with the “dreams” I had…Im sorry
Yes, I believe God will take care of this in his own time. There may be a reaon for his delay…such as showing the true corruption in so called paradise. However, like Miss Underestimated has said…it will keep Natalee, Aruba and their crimes against her and her family in the spot light…and that I like.
The previews for the Haunting Evidence do look intriguing though. These psychics are definitely going to stir the pot down there. I am looking forward to watching the show tonight just to see what they say. Hope they get off the island quickly and safely.
I’m not attacking anyone’s beliefs, but the psychics have had two years and more to come up with things. A number of famous psychics have been proven wrong in their predictions.
Let’s hope that we will find the answers, and either verify or discredit what they have to say. That’s most important.
Why did the “psychics” need to travel to Aruba?
It is sad that this case has come to this. Phychics c-mon! I suppose there are no more options. Good luck Beth. You’re always in my prayers.
I understand what Mr. Holloway is saying. But keeping Natalee’s name and case out there always helps. You never know when somebody on the island may see or hear something to either help recall memory or play on their hearts and come forward.
5. Our answers will come from God in His timing and not from psychics. The Bible warns us of seeking out answers from this kind of source … Steve Holloway
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Steve … you are right on regarding what God’s Word … The Holy Bible … reveals concerning this issue!
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Deuteronomy 18:10-12
There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch. Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.
Robert- Carpe Noctem indicates he will video capture the show and put it on YouTube for those that do not have access to the show tonight.
It looks like it will be fairly long and could be in a few different segment.
Yo,
I had a friend that would roll his eyes like
that, & turn his eyelids inside out to
impress chicks.
… He is single now.
I am sure it was NEWSFLASH to you!
-Justice 4 Natalee
“Whatever It Takes”
The Haunting Evidence show about Natalee is supposed to last an hour. I’m curious what all they can show and say in an hour. I hope whatever they say makes all those involved very nervous…and brings a flow of negative media attention back to Aruba.
The negative focus needs to stay until justice is served and Natalee is home. Justice being the TRUE criminals being brought to justice not those who are paid off or forced to take the fall. We all know who the true criminals are in this case. The three main criminals being Paulus, Joran and the K brothers…more so Deepak than Satish in my opinion when it comes to the K brothers. I’m with Minnesota Dad in that Paulus is the main perp here though. It is my belief that Joran and the K brothers may have started it…but Paulus finished it and paid to have it covered up.
I’m not vouching for the validity of Haunting Evidence and/or those players on it, but….as God does indeed work in mysterious ways who are any of us to question any means by which HE might lead us to answers? The Bible does warn us not to seek answers from such means, however, is not God Himself a player in ‘mind messages’? When we pray and He talks to us, do we not ‘hear’ His unspoken word?…and do we not believe He can hear our silent prayers? Is one’s conscience not a tool of God, a silent voice that tries to speak to us? My point is that all our lives are full of ‘silent voice’ -which is actually a paranormal experience, yet when that same ‘silent voice’ is labeled as paranormal it becomes something to detach from/fear/reject as Evil and we become selective in our belief of what is ‘from God’ and what is not.
I don’t throw a blanket trust out to all those who claim to be able to speak with or hear from those who dwell in God’s House, and while I don’t believe in ‘seeking’ answers from such means, who is to say God does not GIVE the answers to His Angels/Soldiers on Earth? I mean, how many times have our prayers been answered indirectly by God sending help through others? It happens all the time in physical ways we can see, so we believe…so who’s to say God does not send messages to some who might help answer prayers? How did those earthy beings who arrive at times to provide what we have prayed for decide to arrive so our prayers might be answered? Do you think perhaps God may have sent THEM a silent/subliminal message that they needed to be a certain place at a certain time? What if they hadn’t listened to that ‘voice’ of suggestion? ….thought it was Evil to hear silent messages or passed them off as their own personal idea which could be acted up on or not? It is common to pray to God and wait for answers. Would we know the answers when they arrive if we shut out certain sources?
In my faith, I believe God desires a Brotherhood on earth, whereby we all reach out to help each other and do no harm lest that harm come to a person by justice and good in combat with evil..in other words, the evil reap what they sow just as the good reap what they sow (in victory of good, the evil will lose) But that’s my faith and I won’t trample on the faith of others; I just wanted to speak up for alternative types of faith in God that may not be wrong in belief of angels helping via ‘messages’…and my current inspiration for this comes from something I saw on the news last night….
This old lady was standing at her bathroom sink when suddenly she ‘heard’ a message in her mind to ‘bend’. Without giving it a second thought, she bent over and just as she did a bullet came through her wall that would have hit her in the head if she had remained standing. This lady is a preacher, and she credits God via an Angel who was sent to save her. Her faith saved her. Her faith in God and all His Angels, not just God alone as if He used no Angels in service to His desires for us. She acted on faith in something that she didn’t understand but did anyway. She said when she heard the ‘voice’ she thought, Why would I bend right here in my bathroom for no reason? But she did it anyway, immediately. Good thing she trusted in ‘voices’.
I said that was my current inspiration, but I do want to tell another time of such inspiration that is more personal to me because I think it is important that we not ever throw the baby out with the bathwater in closed minds when we really don’t know what God has planned for us or how He will institute his course….
When my daughter was about 10, she was riding her horse on our property when a neighbor boy thought it would be ‘funny’ to watch the horse go berserk if he shot it in the butt. In his defense I will say that he didn’t realize the cause and effect action this would have on the rider who was a good friend of his….yes, he was stupid, however….as I was out there supervising my daughter’s safety while riding I witnessed the shot and the horse subsequently going absolutely crazy! My daughter was flailing about like a rag doll and it was so horrible there was no way her 80 pound body was going to stay on that horse as he bucked like the worst rodeo horse I’d never seen and flailed violently himself. I feared she would be terribly hurt if not killed from her impending fall which could have thrown her onto a wooden fence. I saw this and then the very next thing I saw was her on her horse standing beside me safe. I have no recollection how she got from point A to point B, however my daughter informed me that she heard a voice say, ‘just relax. It’s going to be OK. I’ve got you’. She said the voice felt as if it was coming from an Angel of God so she trusted and just let go, then saw and felt a young woman holding her then settling her back on the horse after he had calmed down, after which she said she just rode over to where I was standing. I find it amazing that I was not given to witness this intervention! But I know in my heart it had to have happened the way my daughter said because she did not ‘fall’ off the horse, nor was she injured at all. After we put the horse back in his stall and were retreating into the house, my daughter felt the presence of her Angel and turned around to look behind her. She waved to something! I then turned too and saw this wonderful Angel lady smiling and waving back. Once in the house I thought to test myself in what I saw so I asked my daughter what the Angel lady was wearing. She described the Angel, her clothes and her hair and everything just as I’d seen it. My heart is so warmed to know for sure God sends Angels to us who speak silently if we would only listen. And you know what? I have no idea who this lady was. She is not anyone any in our family have ever known in life.
Anyway, I’m just saying we never know who will come to our aid nor how they will come. That is up to God.
I believe Haunting Evidence has now entered the picture because the case has gone cold.
I also believe in God but I don’t think he solves criminal cases all on his own. God helps those that help themselves. I am sorry Steve but I just can’t let go and just wait. Remember, “Footprints..it was then that I carried you”. I think there is great concern for Dave, now being in Aruba. He is with Tim Miller and his crew and could not find a safer place to be.
Hoping the Dutch will have some answers for us thru their investigation
Hoping that Tim Miller will have some answers thru his search
Hoping that Haunting Evidence thru their experiences will have some answers for us
God has being doing his work giving Beth and Dave the strength and faith to carry on and endure the undurable.
After what we have been up against anyone willing to help us find the answers is most certainly welcome.
Hoping..and hoping..and hoping and not without sending a prayer to God
# Rob | June 20, 2007, 11:31 am
• Great! (The longer this show the better… So I don’t have any problems with splitting it in segments.)
• To come back to the remarks of Steve Holloway (#5). I can agree with Mr. Holloway that we should be cautious with these kind of interested third parties and “shows”. In the end Court TV is propably about making money… But on the other hand if people that participate in such shows are sincere they may be worth listening to I think.
Why did the “psychics” need to travel to Aruba?
Comment by parascope | June 20, 2007, 11:21 am
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Um, I am just going to go out on a limb here…
…but I think it is because all of the other
islands that do not sponsor Van der sloot
Aruban Government sanctioned
cold blooded
murder and gang rapes
on innocent tourist females
were booked! I am speaking mainly of
the islands in the Carribean
that do not have to take out ads
to beg and plead for visitors.
I don’t mean to burst anyone’s bubble, but this same team was in Bellefonte PA(my home state) last year and did a show about missing Centre County DA, Ray Gricar. Unfortunately, they did not come up with anything new. It was nothing more than a rehash of the same stuff I’ve been reading on line for over a year. I REALLY do hope this helps, but I’ve been disappointed so many times. I have relatives who have lived in Bellefonte for years and they were disappointed in the show too. We need REAL answers and those answers will only come from the people who commited this crime. I’m sorry; don’t want to make anyone feel down. I want her home too.
13. It is sad that this case has come to this. Phychics c-mon! I suppose there are no more options.
Comment by ayfit | June 20, 2007, 11:25 am
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Hey … maybe some of us Monkeys … who have developed what we believe are credible theories regarding the Natalee Holloway case based on our countless hours of research … would stop referring to our work as “theories”. We could claim to have had physic experiences or visions. Maybe the media would take notice … maybe those in a position to make a difference would take notice …
Why do “psychics” need to TRAVEL ANYPLACE ??
Psychics, pro or no…
Many are con-artists… but there are
a few that defy all explanation of how
they simply know things.
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Most important thing to me is that
the Natalee Holloway story of deception
and raw brutality on another human being
stays out there in all media forms. I hope
those brutal, murdering, Van der sloot and Kalpoe families
cannot even take a simple friggin’ wiz at a bus station
without hearing how their carnivore sons
lied to police time an time again DURING A HIGH
PROFILE INVESTIGATION…WHY? SO
… and on 6/2007 Joran
gave a magazine article where he said of dear Natalee
Ann “F*** THE B****”
….but of course in the
DUTCH TV INTERVIEW he gave just
weeks later, he then went on record as saying:
“of course, I find it extremely
difficult to speak negatively of
Natalee.” -j4n
#15, Deuteronomy 18:10-12
Couldn’t that just mean one should not cast spells or ask spells to be cast and not try to seek into the future and thus rely on that unconditionally? Do you think He includes his own Angels who are sought through prayer? What’s the difference? I mean, there clearly IS one, but what is it?
I’m not trying to be argumentative, but….
How many times in the Bible does Jesus say to his Desciples He will
‘come to you -and tell you things- and you will know him’? And how many times has He come with different descriptions of his image to people of other eras than the one Jesus’s Desciples lived in? No, God does not include His Angels in the list of those who should not be sought out for advice and/or help. And I think He uses this avenue at times when nothing else will suffice.
There are for sure people who dabble in what they do not understand and from that can not always know from whom they get ‘advice’ and so it can be dangerous to rely on those things mentioned in Deut 18:10-12. But seeking and being given are two different things as I see it. And not to get all religious here, but the difference is in how it feels. God’s messages are so peaceful with no malice whatsoever. (Good absorbs Evil, it does not attack or fight with it)If one opens their heart and gives over to faith in God (not just the translations of The Bible) they will know the difference without thinking about it and know that sometimes it’s OK to trust in the energies of God’s universe.
That said, if a person is not ready to believe in the powers of God’s ability to use ‘telepathy’ (for lack of a better word) to communicate with earthly beings then he/she should definitely NOT do so for therein lies the danger of which is spoken in that Deut. passage.
I feel I was drawn to this case for a reason, so I’m going to go ahead with something else I feel I need to say at this time….
I have seen Jesus. He has come to me at a time when I was so distraught over my father’s sudden and tragic death that appeared to be a suicide. Jesus showed me my father in Heaven! As I had not seen my father in the days before his death or after because it was a closed casket due to the mess his body was in, the clothes he had on when Jesus let me see him in Heaven were not any I had seen him wear before. To prove to myself, even as I ‘knew’ it was real by the feeling of it- a feeling I had never experienced before and one that is indescribable in human terms….yes, I still needed proof because I feared the imagination of a grieving daughter….I went to the police station and asked if they could tell me what my father was wearing the day he died. It was the same clothes Jesus put him in to let me see him. I have never doubted from that day the feeling of a message or a vision from God and that they are in fact real when used to bring peace.
#25 Supposedly, some psychics need to touch something that belonged to the victim or be close to the place where the crimes may have taken place.
I really don’t know what to believe with regard to psychics. I know the bible warns not to seek answers from this type of source but there are times when I wonder if God didn’t give them a gift…to be used for the good. I mean, if you watch some of these detective shows, these psychics actually solve cases…and the detectives admit they could not have solved the case w/o the psychic. The detectives at first were extremely doubtful but were amazed as to the details provided…that turned out to be 100% accurate. Don’t get me wrong, I think a majority of the people who claim they are psychics are fake. However, as stated, there are some who appear to know what they are talking about.
Either way, I think it will be interesting tonight…it may not tell us what happened but I do believe it will bring additional negative media attention to Aruba…and that is what we need!
Why travel to Aruba? Considering Aruba is/was where the crimes against Natalee were committed, as well as the last place she was known to be seen, it’s elementary. Natalee’s presence is there and will forever haunt the perps…
I don’t buy into the psychic thing myself, but whatever it takes to keep the pressure up on the Aruban/Dutch authorities and keeping Natalee’s case alive, I’m all for it
This lady, along with all the other “psychics”, are just opportunists. Plain & simple. No rational human being should be patronizing this nonsense.
I’ve said before that i’m wary of most who claim to be psychic coz i don’t like to see vulnerable people taken advantage of. I DO believe in gaurdian angels though and feel i’ve had mine intervene several times in my life.
Here’s what happened: A friend & i were in Nassau & boarded a ferry, after about 30 minutes we went to the rail to look at some fish and were leaning on the rail. All the sudden something told me to get away from that rail & i listened & pulled my friend away from from it, within 30 seconds another person leaned on the rail several feet away from us and the rail broke away & i grabbed this stranger who almost went over the edge.
Another time i was in traffic & just about to cross some railroad tracks when the bars came down, (long time ago i had a nightmare that i didn’t make it across some train tracks) so i’m very careful arround them. And this same crossing has seen many many accidents and close calls.
Anyhoo…..I was first in line in the right lane and this car full of elderly ladies was to my right & they had gone to close to the track and the bar slammed down on the hood of their car.
When that happened i screamed out to the top of my lungs
“GOD PLEASE DON’T LET THIS HAPPEN IN FRONT OF ME” The ladies were frozen in terror and looking at me. At that moment the bars lifted and i was yelling at the driver to back up NOW DO IT NOW!!! She did and the bar came back down and the train passed. If that train had hit the ladies car it would’ve taken me down the track with it but at that moment i wasn’t thinking of me getting hurt, i just didn’t want to see them get killed. The ladies crossed the tracked & pulled over to the side of the road and i stopped & asked them if they were alright and they thanked me for telling the driver to back up when i did.
I didn’t tell them that i felt my guardian angel saved us but they knew a miracle had happened.
Oh yee of little faith.
I put more faith in the psychics being more in touch with reality then the ALE; Jacobs, Dompig and Croes.
27. disgustedmom
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GOD SAYS IT; I BELIEVE IT AND … THAT SETTLES IT.
The Holy Bible clearly states that there is one mediator between God and Man … our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ who made the ultimate sacrifice at Calvary which provided the only way that we could have a relationship with an Absoute God.
1 Timothy 2:4-6
This is good, and pleases God our Savior,who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all men-the testimony given in its proper time.
Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, etc, are not charity organizations. They all live and breath based upon ratings, so I wouldn’t be so quick to lash out at Court TV. If these type programs did not bring in the viewers, they would be history overnight.
http://iccoventry.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100localnews/tm_objectid=17610304&method=full&siteid=50003&headline=psychic-called-in-to-find-nicola-name_page.html
http://weeklywire.com/ww/11-24-97/gambit_covs.html
The above links show some help with solving crimes.
JANET….basesd on your one scripture reading would you also say then that “decernment, visions and words of knowledge” are evil??
Several months ago Dave had people going to some very out of the way locations on Aruba all based upon the words of an unknown psychic from some very distant country. When does a person know when to follow-up and when to dismiss the whole idea?
Why travel to Aruba indeed! Why did that Dutch version of America’s Most Wanted travel to Aruba to do their show? It just makes sense in that you don’t have to build a fake Aruba showstage to film…haha, no really though, as the paranormal goes, would you not visit an alleged haunted house if you wanted to see if any ghosts were in actually there? The whole premise it in the energy left behind.
If I were a psychic, I’m sure my psychic self would tell me not to go to Aruba because it’s dangerous. And now that we know how the family feels about this sort of help, I’d also feel like I were intruding in the lessons they have been given to learn in this life, so that would be reason #2 not to go to Aruba. #3 is the unwelcome nature of it from those whom a psychic is trying to help would give off negatives which would confuse everything and could even have the adverse effect of helping cover the crime.
yoyo muffintop….scared of the one thing you can’t control?
I don’t think there is anything irrational about watching the broadcast. If it bothers you and you completely and firmly disagree, then don’t watch it. I am going to for one because I am curious. Whether I believe it or not I still want to hear what they have to say.
I think it’s obvious and logical who is responsible.
Natalee left with J2K and never returned.
They all lied and can’t even agree with one another.
KLPD–get on it! Haul them in. Daddy, too!
YY,
Haven’t seen yas in a while. WB!
Got zipple? -j4n
ZIPPLE?
We pray for God to guide us in what to do. He wants us to do our part and He will do the rest. We need to give God the glory when the time is right or it will never happen or be over for us. God does send angels and works in people, but it is HIS POWER in them. The devil also works in people….mediums. Their power is of the devil and their answers comes spirits. When people die..they go to Heaven or Hell. The only thing left is demons, so that’s what they are talking to.
Janet, Im sory for your pain, but I thank you for sharing. You must not seek, but open your eyes to any help God may send to you. Im glad your daughter was fine.I pray for answers.
I am not one to dismiss psychics, one way or the other. That being said, if Baron had developed anything substantial in Jan-Feb 2007, Natalee’s location would have been determined 5 months ago
36. JANET….basesd on your one scripture reading would you also say then that “decernment, visions and words of knowledge” are evil??
Comment by Sharon Chicago | June 20, 2007, 2:16 pm
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Sharon … I do not go there. I do not philosophy. I do not embrace the supernatural. I keep it simple.
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My finite understanding could never comprehend the mind of an Absolute God … if it could He would not be God. Make sense? It is something akin to a small child attempting to comprehend the mind of his earthly father. It is just not going to happen. So my complete trust in the Written Word of God (Holy Bible) dictates … “If God says it … I believe it and … that settles it.” No “buts”.
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1 Timothy 2:4-6
This is good, and pleases God our Savior,who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all men-the testimony given in its proper time.
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Deuteronomy 18:10-12
There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch. Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD …
LOL Miss-U
http://xrl.us/2gad
JANET …OK so if you believe in God’s words in the bible then you believe people do have discernment, get visions, words of knowledge…Gee for minute there I thought you might just be VERY LEGALISTIC…so glad to see you are not in bondage….Blessings and freedom in Christ Jesus.
Again, I think… the important point…
Natalee gets airtime, and the
nastiness of just what the Van der sloots, Kalpoes,
and Aruba has done to Nat and her family
continues to bubble to the surface
via airwaves,
and Internet all
worldwide. BOYCOTT ARUBA
#46 – It took almost two years before a search was done at the Sloot property. Why do you think anything a psychic said in February would have made a difference at that time?
Let’s just keep hoping that Natalee is found.
I pray that God sends us answers to the questions we have.
Talking about TV shows, do we all remember that the Dutch told us their show, re-creating the events in the disappearance of Natalee, brought in all kinds of tips?
Well, we haven’t heard a damn thing more about it that I know of. I wonder what happened to all those hot tips … probably written down, the caller thanked politely, and the paper thrown in the garbage can.
# Steve Holloway | June 20, 2007, 3:10 pm
I try to look at these strange phenomenons like “psychic abilities” in a more rational way (if they’re real at all). I think the “psychic” information could come from the subconscious mind, or is picked up by the subconscious mind like a radio that picks up information from the air. Neurologists often say that the mind by far hasn’t disclosed all it’s secrets yet. I personaly don’t think the devil has anything to do with it.
But I’m not here to hurt anyones feelings and I see that you Mr. Holloway are very principly about this, so I’ll withdraw from the discussion.
One of my closest friends has been seeing the same psychic for years and I have listened to her describe her sessions with the psychic and then later witness her predictions come true. I do not doubt that there is something to it, but I do not believe that everyone claiming to be a psychic truely is. I think in many instances, it’s about money and entertainment and nothing more. I am open to possibilities, but I don’t really think this show or the pyschics on it are going to bring us any closer to the answers we all want about Natalee and what JVDS and the K2 really did to her. We all pretty much know what happened, give or take a scene here and there so I think we will be hearing much of what we’ve heard and/or speculated about in the past. We all have “gut” feelings about this case and that’s all we’re going to hear about from the psychics…their “gut” feelings…or whatever they want to call them.
Natalee, Beth and Dave are always in my prayers.
This show tonight is going to recreate a rape/murder scene and name names, so I think it will get plenty of attention from believers and non-believers of psychic phenomenon.
That’s some powerful stuff and it goes way beyond what that screwed up Dutch program did.
This show tonight is going to recreate a rape/murder scene and name names, so I think it will get plenty of attention from believers and non-believers of psychic phenomenon.
That’s some powerful stuff and it goes way beyond what that screwed up Dutch program did.
Richard, there have been no valuable tips. After Dutch specialists/criminalists had searched the Sloot mansion, Dutch tv had the results two or three days later: nothing was found. I waited for the Greta’s of this world to proclaim that, but nothing so far…
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SM: You are incorrect. The only thing that was said about the search at the VDS residence was that they did not find Natalee’s body there. (klaasend)
Off topic.
Just hit upon this videoclip of PRdeVries who gets kicked in the b*tt by a former drugbaron he exposed a number of years ago. http://www.campus.tv/index.php?action=showmovie&movieid=753 The path of a crimereporter isn’t always strewn with roses…
Klaasend, hoe gaat het?
You don’t think anything of value was found there, do you? Hey, I hope they did, but be realistic!
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SM: They took the diaries and the computers and many other items from the home. Yes, I think KLPD could have found some very interresting things from the computer especially (klaasend)
People tend to forget that the number of people that have followed this case closely is relatively small. There are many people that only have a vague memory of a blonde girl disappearing on some island. Those same people do watch television though and a show like this will open some eyes. It will probably also keep a lot of lawyers busy over the next few weeks too!
Personally, I don’t believe in psychics. What this case is woefully lacking is hard evidence. That isn’t going to come from some guy running around with his eyes rolled back in his head.
You can take it for what it is worth.
I was somewhat clairvoyant and psychic until a few years ago.
There were a lot of instances where my predictions came true.
However they only foretold death and unhappiness. I remember saying I don’t want to know anymore. With that a voice said that what I was given was a gift and that I should develop it more. If you give it up it is very hard to get it back again. Until this day I am no where near as accurate as I once was. No I was not, have not did not smoke anything.
I concur with Carpe that keeping Natalee’s story out there is whats important here. We know who stole her away and is responsible for her never returning and i hope God curses each of them for the rest of their pathetic lives. In the mean time we are the ones standing in the way of Aruba rewriting history and moving on like Natalee never happened. I think we’ve done a good job so far as that letter/note wouldn’t have been posted if the boycott were not working!
LOOK
I am telling you…
A drug lord, chaining Joran, Deepak, Satish
and Paulus to a table, and beating them with a
Christmas Stocking of frozen Slim Jims would
solve this case in an afternoon.
Ah, but I digress… what a waste of a good
piece of beef jerky! -j4n
lol Carpe!
I have a few questions and would appreciate anyone who can answer them for me
Yesterday there was a letter (on SM) supposedly from Robin Holloway saying she and Dave no longer supported the boycott in Aruba. This letter is supposedly posted on BFN (Blogs for Natalee). I went to BFN, but didn’t see it. Where is it on BFN?
Two more questions in reference to BFN:
Why does BFN advertise “Aruba Vacations”?
Who sponsors BFN?
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SM: Not sure where it’s posted now. I think they set up a “new forum” thread called Boycott or something like that. As far as the ads, those are Google ads and they appear based upon the topic being discussed at that site (klaasend)
Excellent idea Carpe…LOL! There are other ways to make ‘em talk without wasting that delicious piece of beef jerky
BOYCOTT GOES ON!!!!!
http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/
A member of the Aruban Boycott just spoke to Beth.
NOTHING HAS CHANGED!
She has no idea what Dave and Robin are up to and could care less. This person asked her if she would issue a public statement to that effect and she said yes.
I do not need anybody to tell me who is guilty but am looking forward to the show.
Very insightful discussions on psychics. The only value I will find in this program tonight is that it will once again show to the world this young lady and what happened on this(UN)happy island. If that psychic knows who did it, then why didn’t we hear this back when they did the original taping. I am FRUSTRATED with so may promises of “new’ information that turns out to be same old, same old. I’d rather get my information RIGHT HERE! You folks I can trust.
Thank You Rob! Thats great news!!~
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me too Alan K!
I’ve never heard Beth talk that way about Dave. I think they pretty much agreed on everything.
Maybe Dave has alot of pressure on him. If you want to come to Aruba, remove your interest in the boycott. That is the only thing that makes sense.
I think he would of made an announcement via media. Maybe Steve Holloway can answer that question. I personally do not think Beth or Dave would give in. Except perhaps, like I said, he maybe really wants to be there.
And I wholeheartly believe would never ever give in.
Thanks klaasend
I had heard that BFN is actually a blog out of (of all places) the Netherlands. If that is true, how ironic is that? I emailed BFN on several occasions blasting them for advertising the very place Natalee came up missing.
re #69 – huh?
Does Beth trump Dave? And if so, why?
Why not listen to Dave rather than Beth.
the circus continues…
If we’re down to depending on psychics to finding Natelee, then I’m afraid we’d better throw in the towel. Good grief.
….and the difference between believing in god and psychics is? Neither can be proved. They are both an act of faith.
The circus is with
your gang raping freak show
Van der sloots of Aruba, yo!!! (but you know that, feeb)
The brutal gang-raping Aruban tourist killing criminals
that still stalk the island. -j4n
#30 yoyo “This lady, along with all the other “psychics”, are just opportunists. Plain & simple. No rational human being should be patronizing this nonsense.”
Wow all you have to do is substitute lady and nonsense with the word island and “psychics” with psycho and you would be describing ARUBA and Joran.
NATALEE TRUMPS EVERYBODY!
KEEPING THE PRESSURE ON ARUBA TO PROSECUTE THE MEN WHO HURT NATALEE & HOLDING HER BODY HOSTAGE TRUMPS EVERYTHING!
We’re not depending on psychics, but if they want to give Natalee airtime, let them. Who knows what they have to say.
So far as the relationship between Dave and Beth is concerned they seem to have publically agreed on everything. It’s their daughter and we listen to what they both have to say. I’ve never heard a word of conflict between either one of them. The relationship between Beth and Dave is not a circus. No one is trumping anyone.
No one is depending on them #76.
Give Up?
NOT GONNA HAPPEN!~
#61, you’re right…there are so many who have not heard of Natalee.
I was watching that game show, Cash Cab, where the fares are asked questions along their ride…takes place in New York. One of the questions asked was What female teen from Mountain Brook Alabama went missing while on her graduation trip to Aruba in 2005….there were 3 people in the cab and of about 20 questions of all sorts asked, the one about Natalee was the only one they missed. They have no idea. They had no idea anyone had gone missing in Aruba.
I, myself, find it hard to find anyone locally to talk to about this case. Of literally hundreds of people I come in contact with regularly, only ONE had heard about Natalee…and what did they know about it? Nothing! Just that they remembered hearing that some girl went missing on the news. And was this person interested in talking about it? No! No interest.
The vast majority of people are not interested in missing person stories. So I hope Joran knows he is not as famous as he would like to think he is.
There are psychics, there is the final judgement of the Lord, and there is the 30.06, sleep if you can van der Sloots, Kalpoes, Jacobs, van der Stratten, and others who covered the truth; a bullet is waiting.
Some people have short memories so lets refresh, millions of American’s were riveted to their tv’s alittle over two years ago wanting to know exactly what happened to Natalee and to see if the Aruban’s were going to live up to their word to put the one’s who were and i quote Dompig “GUILTY AS HELL” IN PRISON WHERE THEY BELONG.
These same American’s who made Greta’s ratings jump to their highest they have EVER been or ever will be are still there. They still want justice so don’t fool yourself thinking Natalee is forgotton.
I believe for whatever reasons, Dave has a right to do things the way he is comfortable with. That’s his right. I don’t agree with it, but that’s ok. I’ve always thought Dave was an honorable man. Beth Twitty is one of the strongest and most respectable women I have ever known. If I was her in Aruba and was treated like they were, I wouldn’t have been so nice. One liar after the other misleading her, while she’s looking for her daughter. Jug Twitty had them figured out on day one . I don’t agree with losing our focus over what each has decided to do.
As for psychics, I don’t really believe in them, but I find them fascinating to watch. Many have been called in to help with police cases and been helpful. YoYo would rather have us believe that some fishermen, who might not be priests on the beach that night need to be investigated. They might be killers, rapists, kidnappers, anything that don’t include the last persons known with Natalee.Maybe a man with no pants on the beach. The word of a pathological liar and his two lying friends is gospel. When looking for suspects, you either clear them or they are a suspect. Over 2 years later the VanderSloots and Kalpoes can’t be eliminated. Why?
I’m sure the Dutch have checked out the fishermen and guess what??? They still aren’t suspects. People have a right to believe in psychics.
Watching the case of the missing woman in Ohio, cops were at the house the first day doing luminol tests on the father of the baby’s car, searching his house, questioning him, going for cellphones.
9 days later cops didn’t search the residence of the VDS, just Joran’s room, no luminol for days after the vehicle was cleaned repeatedly, no separating and questioning the last known people with her, repeatedly, Cops arrested 2 people that they knew didn’t take Natalee, after watching the tape with Natalee’s mom, 2 of the 3 police stations on the island 2 days later didn’t even know about a missing girl. I remember a Canadian who wrote in and said he was in the same hotel as Natalee and the day she went missing, not one cop there, none doing room searches or anything, only people were doing anything was Natalee’s family and he thought that was odd.
Even if she had went to the beach 9 days is a lot of time to waste looking where she last was. There was a reason Joran separated Natalee from her friends as the bar closed and took her to another bar in the place for one last drink. She was acting crazy, dancing, and doing jello shots and we gave her a rum151 and when she walked out she knew what she was doing, she was normal, don’t work for me.
A little known fact… A phosphate-exporting port from 1879 until 1915, this town landed Esso’s Lago oil refinery in 1924. Once the world’s largest, the refinery attracted workers from other Caribbean islands, South America, and Europe. In 1942, U.S. troops landed to protect the complex, which supplied much of the Allies’ aircraft fuel during the war. By 1951, the town had a population of 20,000, far more than Oranjestad at the time. The refinery closed in 1985, devastating the town and the island
Prostitution is actually legal in San Nicolas
JUSTICE 4 NATALEE!
huh… Miss-U? =)~
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http://tinyurl.com/2hhjqp
Yep Carpe, I think they are related.
Well, what you all thinking, haunting evidence?
I’m thinking unless Natalee choked on something, she didn’t die from a drug and alcohol overdose based on what Dr. Baden said, it takes hours to die from that. You go into a coma first. I’m also thinking how all that was going on with 3 fishermen who said they were there that night and saw nothing. How could they miss this, if it were going on.
I am still thinking. Why not tell me what happened to the shoe? I already know Joran murdered Natalee.
Why didn’t someone warn us that it was to be a 1hr cartoon. I laughed all the way thru and was really embarrassed for those clowns. All they did was read our blog and put some of our suspicions on film. You suppose there was anything the polis or the rest of the world hasn’t heard before? And they pay people for that garbage.
Again, the only good thing is that Natalee’s name is still out there and for that I thank them.
I could have watched Top Chef and at least learned something new
Maggie – According to this “credible” psychic, Natalee was at the beach and that is where she was killed. So…I guess you are wrong – she was at the beach.
And Maggie – the Dutch checked out Paulus and cleared him (you said vanderslootS so I thought I’d correct you).
PS to #93 What were the names she was going to tell us about that would have put her life in jeopardy?
Just finished watching Haunting Evidence.
Wow it was fantastic. None of the things brought up were ever mentioned before.
Oh this isn’t June, 2005? Its June, 2007.
Oh well the show will be into re-runs in 4 weeks and that’s the truth.
91: Maggie; I’m inclined to agree with you. I think they were using “something dreaming”. This will cause the person to come in and out of consciousness and eventually death from hypoxia if the one administering it is not careful.
A drug will not cause that reaction.
Of course you noticed no names were mentioned, not to protect the innocent but to avoid the wrath of Joe Tocopina and a law suit.
I thought the promo for the show was over hyped and didn’t deliver. I also think it was obvious who they thought it was, Natalee met Joran in CnC already known, they drugged her, which many suspect, they left with her already known and drove until they found an obsolete road to go down, and was raped by the guy she was with, Now wonder who that could be?! Earlier the woman said Natalee was at the Lighthouse, but didn’t die there, however the other guy describes leaving CnC and goes to the beach where it happens, don’t mention the lighthouse. Not that impressed.
Questions/comments:
1)Wasn’t Natalee asthmatic, or was taking prescription medication? And that combined with whatever drug put in her system, would have proven fatal?
2)Keep in mind that they marked a spot on the sea where she could be, or evidence. Dunno (because that’s not my expertise) if TES searched that same area. It would be good, if he goes back, to go exactly there and see if they were really on to something.
3)I was hoping for more feedback from Beth, but perhaps because there’s stuff that we all know…well, you get my point.
4)I was waiting for NAMES!!! Where are those names??? They were gonna name names!
5)Klaas, some homework, did you or will you check that same path the Honda took after it left C n’ C’s? I know you have it somewhere! TIA
6)As for psychics, ANYTHING helps. Everyone has the ability to a certain extent and according to their spiritual development. It can be helpful to embrace it, experiment with it and not just throw the Bible as an excuse for not developing ourselves to our full potential.
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SM: Keep scrolling down in this thread. The route maps are there. Good to see you Whytegirl! (klaasend)
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=255
Haunting Evidence didn’t really say anything that hasn’t been said before.
The only thing new was the composite sketch. Who was THAT?
YoYo, last I knew it was said Paulus knows more.. after all they searched their home recently. Also, I never did say I believed in psychics..if you scroll up, I just said it’s everyone’s own choice to or not.
I thought the show was interesting, although they did not reviel the finite details of her death, other than she died on the beach. Also, why was the man medium focusing on someone that looked like Deepak, was he saying he was the murderer? although the image and story line that the female medium gave was of Joran.
I think there were more details not given to the public on this case on what they did with Natalee’s body. They did not want it on their program.
Joran I am sure and Deepak are not happy about this program…I hope as the medium stated that one of them (Satish) will crack soon….and he should to cleanse himself from his sins.
What a load of **** that show was! They took facts/theories already discussed and set a spooky tone to it. I didn’t hear anything NEW that hasn’t already been discussed in the past two years and they DID NOT NAME NOT ANY NAMES!!!
But….if this goofy show keeps Natalee’s name and her case in the news and helps bring her and her family justice, then that’s what matters. If this “psychic” lady was right about anything, then I hope she is right that someone is ready to talk.
There are two positive notes. One Natalee has exposure. Two they (she) said that someone has a conscious and wants to talk. My guess it is the person that left the cross.
#103 – If the cross you are referring to is the one that had beads on the cross and looked like a grave marker….I believe a tourist made that. I remember reading somehwere that Dave Hollloway was shown that cross on one of his trips to Aruba (with America’s Most Wanted) and was told a tourist made that cross.
I didn’t see the show … but didn’t expect that it would be anything but a lot of hype buoyed by a flimsy narrative.
Please correct me if I’m wrong. But it still is worthwhile to keep impressing on the public mind the fact that the case remains open. At the Boston demonstration, many people had a vague memory of “that girl in Aruba,” but a lot of people said “You mean they haven’t solved it yet?”
The injustice and cover-up scream to the heavens.
And below as well.
I’m glad to hear that Beth was quoted as continuing to support the boycott movement firmly. I guess the Arubans didn’t get to her as they might have done to others.
I also hope that she will speak out in public. Will the Arubans, in retaliation, then forbid the Texas Equusearch people to look in the offshore waters? Who knows?
#95 Yes, I was wondering also, they showed the preview with the female medium mentioning her life could be in jeoprady.
I think they did not show the entire filming. I think it went on to describe more in detail the death and disposal of Natalee’s body….
I think they have given this information to the investigators and don’t want to make it public.
Never left, Klaas, never left…Watched the whole show and looked at the maps, thanks! Nice to see you too!
http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?t=282137
Scared Monkeys not the only ones pounding on this…look around most boards, ppl…
I thought it was interesting how the male medium was able to draw a map of the route they took from CC’s and it ended up being by the fisherman’s huts….also …when he pin pointed the area in the water to search. It was the same area that was thought to have been the spot where they could have put Natalee’s body in the ocean.
I think, like I said before that there were more details given on how they dispensed of Natalee’s body but did not want to televise it, since the information might be helpful in solving this murder crime.
It is only a matter of time before they will be charged for this crime.
Here’s the problem I have with the Fisherman Huts…Joran says they went there! Joran says he left Natalee there! From that, the huts, or at least THOSE huts, were not where he took Natalee not even for a minute. He would not send anyone anywhere near where anything went down.
As mediums go, I do not think any of them are talking to Natalee like that woman on the show claimed to be doing. Natalee, if deceased, would be in Heaven and shielded from pain so no way did anyone talk to Natalee for this show. If anything IMO they would talk with an Angel messenger for Natalee. I do believe however, that a deceased person can communicate with sensitives themselves but only for a little while after their death. It’s like a pass to be able to finish business on earth, but then you have to go. Now with that in mind…speaking to Natalee while filming (and the energy spikes on that guys computer stuff) opens the door to what Steve Holloway was saying earlier…demons..demons posing to give false information to protect the evil humans.
As for those promises the promos made that did not show up….I guess there’s a lot of stuff on the cutting room floor.
#94 Yoyo,
When did the Dutch check out Paulus and clear him? Do you know something that we don’t know?
It is blatantly obvious that Paulus has no timeline (nor have the Dutch tried to patch one together), has no recollection of any facts from that night, was at the casino hitting on Natalee when he and his son said he wasn’t there, had black robed friends amend search warrants on site for his property, sued to keep the FBI from helping (why, in God’s name, would someone do this?), has obstructed the investigation (per Karin Janssen), and has openly and brazenly stated he knows more but really doesn’t want to ‘hurt people’.
Come on YoYo….Paulus is beyond an unlucky rubrick in this deal….he is your PERP!
md
104: Yes but by whom and how did that person know it was a tourist. Dave never expounds on it in his book. See my previous post as to who was wearing rosary beads with Michael Dompig.
Does anyone know the address of the KIA Correction Institute of Aruba?
Do you realize dihannah , who posts on the LCD, is a troll?
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SM: I say you are wong (klaasend)
One thing that did stick out to me is they said the perp’s eyes darted arround ALOT and then i thought of the avatar thingy klass fixed up with his eyes darting about like he did in one of his interviews.
Could you post that one again klass?~
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SM: I’ve done so many I forgot about that one. Will try to find it. (klaasend)
I agree disgustedmom. I was able to converse with my dead cousin within 3 months of her death. She told me of a need she had. Three months later my mother started to tell me that her need was granted: But before she could finish, I finished telling my mother what my cousin told me.
My cousin’s need was granted and I have never spoke to her since. That’s almost now twenty years.
Klaas, PLEASE READ!!!!
At the other board on page 5 they see a resemblance to Guido Wever…I dunno if you saved a screen shot of the sketch (confusing sketch) and put a side-by-side of Guido, and/or GVC.
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SM: Definately not GVC. I did see a resemblance to Guido. Haven’t got the screen capture yet of the sketch but when I do I’ll put a side by side with Guido and Satish. I don’t think that person is the one who killed Natalee though, I think that person saw that she was dead after it happened. Like if Satish or Guido picked up Joran and saw something was wrong with Natalee (klaasend)
Disgusted Mom,
Many years ago my father passed away. I never was one to believe in communication from beyond or signs from the deceased.
In my father’s office, he had one of those “falling snow glass globes” (you know, the glass balls filled with ‘snow’ that when you shake it appears like snow) with a nutcracker guy inside of it. The base was a music box. One day, as I was cleaning up his paperwork and business in his office, the music box, which was on a shelf, began playing and played for about five seconds.
Most bizarre thing ever. I can only attribute it to my father trying to communicate with me. I do now believe that the deceased can communicate to a certain extent with us….I am not as certain about ‘psychics’ being able to talk with the deceased. But, there is something there.
Perhaps NH communicated with these psychics….but, she would have led them to the Van Der Sloot home if that was the case – based on people still living on this planet protecting them from any substantial investigation of this murder and their deliberate diversion from the Sloot compound.
md
Dave and Robin are seriously misguided.
If Tim Miller doesnt find Natalee at the end of this month, she will never be found
June 20, 2007
Haunting Evidence: NATALEE HOLLOWAY
RAPED AND MURDERED IN ARUBA
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SEG 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdZuQsLblf0
SEG 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MVbiib-yDc
SEG 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-mBfFtJqSM
SEG 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCA3qvQafk8
SEG 5
http://youtube.com/watch?v=9AR_zy5rdIg
SEG 6 – Final
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDT7HtAyfYk
-j4n
two statements which sum up this case:
1) If you ain’t Dutch, you ain’t much.
2) Like the guy on foxnews said tonite on Gretas’ show
about another individual not related to this case:
“If you are the Law, you can be Above the Law.”
(ie Paulus)
119. If Tim Miller doesnt find Natalee at the end of this month, she will never be found.
Comment by Ryan Marks | June 21, 2007, 12:00 am
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According to Art Wood … the house of cards could still collapse and … justice for Natalee Holloway will prevail.
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RITA COSBY
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WOOD: … The reason this case could still be solved is because there are so many people involved in Natalee’s disappearance and in the disposal of her body. When somebody talks, they’re going to all go down. This is like a house of cards.
Haunting Evidence
Natalee Holloway
Missing In Aruba
POI
http://tinyurl.com/39ajbm
Something I think about….supposedly there was panic when Natalee didn’t wake up…she may have been playing possum…or she may of been in a comma. Playing possum might account for scratches when she thought she could escape, a comma, they didn’t think about that.
Psychics have been called in on criminal nvestigations…there could be more information, but unable to be released to us. Spiritual things do happen.
Can Joran even tell the truth? And who would want a senile lawyer? Gee, I’m sorry mam, I can’t remember your name and tell me again what was your case about.
102 – What a load of **** that show was! They took facts/theories already discussed and set a spooky tone to it. I didn’t hear anything NEW that hasn’t already been discussed in the past two years and they DID NOT NAME NOT ANY NAMES!!!
Comment by justice4nat | June 20, 2007, 11:21 pm
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My sentiments exactly … A combination of different theories already out there … theories based on research of transcripts/articles/documents/declarations and … called it a vision.
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IMO
Joran could of also ducted taped her mouth shut and she got sick and choked.
Just give him the IV drop and see what he has to say !!! He belongs in a mental institution inside a prison.
Hey md – I forgot to ask how that hat tasted after Art Wood stated that it was not Paulus in the casino. It was a cook from a local restaurant that was indentified by those questioned in the casino.
As far as the FBI – maybe he just got finished reading about Richard Jewell. It’s fully understandable why someone would not want foreign LE investigating them, don’t cha think? And a Judge cleared him. That judge is appointed by the Queen, hence “the Dutch” cleared Paulus.
kpg – why are they misguided?
How did they hook up with Jossey Mansur? I don’t trust him. Why did the ATHA permit the fiming of this episode?
They wouldn’t even let Beth come back to look for her daughter.
You realize the show had some PR for Aruba.
Did the AHTA helped finance this show?
Its’ sponsors definitely did not get their monies worth.
I am an old man and every minute to me is important; I just wasted 60 minutes of my life.
I personnaly feel that Tim is looking in the wrong place.
If someone from aruba suggested the location; he may be wasting his time and money.
I feel they are all looking in the wrong places.
I have done enough research that leads me away from the Northwest part of the island. IMO a gut feeling.
md – completely o/t but…you are so right about the canadian vs US portages in the Boundary Waters/Quetico Park. I will admit though that after 7 days of the rugged(to say the least for some) canadian’s, the practically paved US portages are a welcomed relief. Been there 3x’s.
*If you haven’t been to the Boundary Waters/Quetico Park, put it on the list of things to do before you die.
To 1006190,
How did they hook up with Jossey Mansur? I don’t trust him.
Amen, Amen, and Amen.
Go back to the Gardner who witnessed Joran, D. and S. parked in the car by the pond.
My question is as before, is this witness a simple Gardner? I’ll answer this question. No, he is not.
Follow his path. Follow his movements. Look at his resources.
You will be surprised where the path goes. It’s not hard to follow.
Jerry
to yoyo muffintop,
Did Art say it was not Paulus? I missed it. When, where did he say this?
Help me out here. Does it look like Paulus to you? Does to me.
I’m 85% + sure it is Paulus.
Jerry
Paulus is by no means in the clear. First of all, he still owes the black security guards, because they were accused, arrested and detained due to Joran’s lies.
Paulus still has alot of explaining to do, as a judge did not fulfill his duties as a person representing the law. This was an act of more corruption. Many unanswered questions relating to this were never asked and never answered.
Yoyo…Not buying what Art Wood or ‘casino workers’ have stated. 1) Let’s get a camera/interview shot of this ‘cook from a restaurant., 2) Let’s get casino workers statements on camera stating it was that cook. Until then, it is all hearsay….way too much bs out of Aruba to trust anything.
Also, we have casino film, which appears to be altered, showing Joran and Natalee entering the casino. Where are the film clips showing them leaving? More importantly, where are the casino camera shots showing when Paulus came to the casino, what he did, and when he left. I think we both can agree that video documenting all of this – as well as the exact timelines for the predators – is available…unless it was intentionally destroyed.
Not buying what Art Wood or even Jossy (stating that the Dutch/KLPD are serious about resolving this case) are selling. Video evidence is available that establishes timelines and until that is released (and proven unaltered in light of the NH/Joran video clips released), I will hold off eating my hat!
ot – yep, the boundary waters/quetico are pretty cool – unspoiled and unknown to most Americans/Canadians (hopefully will be kept that way!). A little piece of heaven. No Aruban predators…but occasionally a black bear comes through the campsite looking for some food. Nothing better than coming out of there after a week of grueling portages, evenings around a fire, cliff diving, and enjoying the fact that you ‘left the world behind’ for a week. My kid is heading up in a few weeks to clean up areas hit by fires a month ago and I am debating whether I want to join the trip. Not sure if I can take the time as I am doing Europe with thirty kids in late summer. Did you go in through Ely, MN? or through the Gunflint Trail?
md
The eyes in the video described are definitely Joran’s. They are always shifty and when he drinks the left eye becomes very lazy. In some of his pictures his hair comes to a point and it sticks out like a used toothbrush. The chin looks more like Paulus. He might be seeing a combination of both.
The money exchange, that’s Paulus.
Joran had this planned before he even went to Carlos n Charlie’s. He picks up right before closing time and the drink is drugged. Natalee knew she loosing control but couldn’t do to much about it. When she realized I don’t want to be here, stop, it was too late.
Joran disposed of his shoes because they had Natalee’s blood on them when she cut her foot.
Joran let her die. He couldn’t take her to the hospital because he had raped her.
Disposing of the body, they had help.
minnisotadad 133: If in fact that was a cook sitting to Natalee’s left in the casino; what is that person in the shadows placing on the table between that person and the dealer? Check the video frame by frame and you will see what I am talking about.
What was that person handing him a receipe? I don’t think so md. Still waiting for that crow to share with you.
mn dad – through Ely. My fingers tips are still blue from the thousands of blueberries I ate everyday. Join your kid – you only live once. Easier said than done of course. Sounds like a damn good summer. Enjoy. How bad was the fire – it was around the gunflint trial entrance wasn’t it?
YY writes-
So…I guess you are wrong – she was at the beach.
And Maggie – the Dutch checked out Paulus and cleared him (you said vanderslootS so I thought I’d correct you).
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Paulus Van der loot PURCHASED his way OUT OF IT. (being cleared)
What the corrupt A.L.E. should have done is picked him up
out of his chair by his throat, & slapped the effing
taste buds out of his mouth!!!
They should have done that to his serial rapist
of a son too.
CAT IS IN THE CRADLE, PAULUS!
…and yerrrrr boy is A LOT
LIKE YOU, dude.
Aren’t ya proud, Sporty Sporter?
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lyric line-
Well he came from college just the other day
So much like a man I just had to say,
“Son, I’m proud of you, can you sit for a while?”
He shook his head, and he said with a smile
“What I’d really like, Dad, is to borrow the car keys
SEE YOU LATER, can I have them please?” -j4n
ok yoyo head : so show us a picture of this so called cook if this is not pauly sweat !
I don’t know Aruba gambling laws but I believe in the USA employees are not permitted to gamble where they are employed. Working together with the dealers is a no no.