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I just want to remind everyone once again about video # 8 at the 1min. 34 sec. point. It makes the cover-up all too real.
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1725
Jerry
#1..I can’t quite make out what is taking place..is he putting something in a bag. And why are they covering up the rocks, the wind is so strong it will blow away anything they put there.
Look at video #8 at the 1min. 34 second point. Watch him pick up the stiff arm and wrap it. Watch it over and over until you see it. This is June 10, they say. Later, Joran and his dad are seen in a car at the site. I’m not sure of the video #.
Jerry
Thank You..I’ll watch.
Other than Natalee being missing for two years, nothing in this case makes sense nor is any conclusion easily derived.
In Paulus’statement his two younger sons went to school on May 31,2005 and yet he can’t remember if Joran went to school or not. Joran told Natalee and her friends he was an exchange student staying at the HI yet he tells us that when Natalee and he were on the beach, he told her he had to go home because he had school the next day.(?) So if Paulus saw his younger sons off to school, that contradicts earlier statements that they were with Anita in Holland.
If Jorans brothers were home that means on May 29, Joran and his father were at the casino; who took care of the other siblings. So who was baby sitting. We know that Freddy and Koen were there; Koen said he crashed there that night. Nowhere in Paulus’ statement are Koen and Freddy included.
If you go under the assumption that Paulus and the younger brothers were home then Joran did not take Natalee there that particular night. Freddy and Koen met Joran at some other place.
So if we remain destined to review lie after lie from almost everyone no conclusion can be made. The only clues which have remained constant and whether you believe; were Shango’s. Whether you believe or not one has to interpret and validate. 10061906 had thought that Robert Bensen was Shango; I tend to think it was the police officer that died last year mysteriously of meningitis. One riddle was validated concerning Paulus waiving his right not to testify against his son.
Perhaps what happened to Natalee was a first rather then twenty times before.
Blame the game not the player. Something was elevated to the next level?
So if we conclude that Joran and Natalee were not at his house that particular night, then the mysterious phone call and ATM hits are meaningless.
The only thing suspicious is: Dave received a DVD with a voice that sounded like Anita saying Natalee was in a crypt with another body.
Dave said he went to a church. If he went to the Noord police station, St Ana Church and cemetery are across the street. Dave asked to see the priest. He was told by the secretary that he was saying mass. Why then did Dennis Jacobs call Dave to tell him that the priest could not meet with him for three days.????
Why did the girl that Joran was to have raped, did not testify after Dennis Jacobs meet with her? If you want my opinion, Dennis Jacobs is Dirty Hand. Dirty Hand is the chief NARCOTICS agent.
Maybe Natalee did not die the first night. Per Shango: how long does a cat play with a mouse.
This would then have meaning with what Dennis told Dave: Go to C and C’s and have a beer; she’ll show up in a couple of days. This happens all the time. (Twenty or more?)
I don’t know if talk about Natalee is proper for this thread, but I’ve hypothesized for some time that the Pimps might have kept her captive for days while they figured out what to do with her.
Particularly if she had been drugged and came out of it before anyone expected. Natalee was a different breed than the Arubans that Joran had allegedly drugged and assaulted; she wouldn’t be cowed, and no pressure by anyone on Aruba would have kept her from going to the police there and in the U.S. If she had the opportunity, I’m sure she said as much.
And as I’ve said before, I’m not convinced she met her fate on Aruba.
Stephanie Good’s book, EXPOSED, should be required reading for parents of young people. The network exposes don’t give you step by step guides to picking out the bad guys so you and your children can learn to recognize them.
Thank goodness for people like Stephanie. If parents pay attention and don’t think “it can’t happen to my kid”, her knowledge and experience with predators could make a big difference.
Waterboy, I can’t watch the video (computer issues), but is it about that clip from the news where a searcher is seen holding what appears to be a piece of fabric that matched that of what Natalee was wearing May 29th?
If so, or not, that clip seems to indicate Natalee was in that area and somehow her clothes were torn and that piece was ‘found’. However, if you look closely the searcher is not finding that piece of cloth. He has it in his hand and places it between some rocks. His hand goes down between those rocks WITH the fabric and his hand comes up without it.
So the questions would be, why hide it there and where did they get the fabric? My suspicions as possible answers are….the area was a staged event to promote an agenda, and well, a psychic said Natalee was wearing a large man’s white shirt and not her own top when she was at the VDS house. Of course, that’s psychic stuff, but if you think about it Joran would have a large white shirt or two (as he’s been seen in one periodically) and if Natalee had vomitted or something she may have changed into it at the VDS house, hence that might be from where this ‘searcher’ or his boss/es were able to get the fabric.
#6, Richard, I tend to agree with you that Natalee may have been held captive for days while deciding what to do with her, and that her fate was not on Aruba.
Here’s something several psychics have said about that. They said she was held in a basement of sorts that is no longer in use. Some say it was an attic in an abandoned building, but from these the point is that she was not held in the normal areas of any particular place and overall these psychics seemed to feel like when Paulus was imprisoned she might expire due to lack of being cared for in her captivity. All say she was kept sedated.
One of the psychics was pretty detailed in the basement he/she saw Natalee being held captive in. Leaving out what I can’t recall exactly, the basement had dirt walls which Natalee digged into while trying to climb to the exit(apparently the stairs/ladder or whatever to the exit had been removed) and he/she claimed it was under a place of business. Interesting that, in that Deepak seemed to have a key to some old place his mom used to work. I believe ALE at least asked about that key, but I don’t recall if Deepak ever coughed it up.
disguatedmom
If as you state she expired while Paulus was in prison for lack of care; then it would follow that Paulus may have been the one holding her captive. Does the PVDS ranch have a basement?
Can you supply any links. Sound like its worth checking into.
Is there anything at all that can link Joran, Deepak or Satish directly to Geoffrey von Cromvoirt? If so anyone; please provide a link.
Reason being is I’m leaning towards this was the first time that Joran was invovled with an actual abduction.
The other twenty times was something different.
Thanks
#10, 1006
It was psychics who suggested she might pass while P was being held captive. Unfortunately, that board where it was posted got a virus and died.
I will try to find a link to that interview where the key Deepak had of his mother’s was mentioned. Don’t know how much luck I will have.
Glad that Dana had Dr. Hodges on to give him a little more time to explain his theories. How many times have we joked with someone about a “Freudian slip”? We have been analyzing words of the suspects, the lies, and tried to find the truth hidden in those lies. This is what Dr. Hodges is doing with a greater degree of experience and knowledge of the human mind and how it works. I look forward to hearing him on Dana’s show again.
In honor of Dr. Hodges’ ‘Forensic thought prints’, let me get off the current discussion and ask a few questions I’ve gleened from seemingly irrelevant information.
Where exactly was the Soul Beach Festival held in 2005. I know, Aruba, but where on Aruba?
And do you know if they had Nightclub Parties after the concert as they did in 2006? And if so, could the times be the same – 11:30 to 3AM? Link here…. http://www.uneedavacation.com/Aruba/soulbeach_music_festival.html
If parties were held, and perhaps attended by some MBies who coincidentally left CC’s at 11PM, then does anyone know where these parties were, specifically if any were held on Renaisance Island?
I am intrigued by Renaisance Island because it is reported that (at least in 2006 http://www.aruba.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-4819.html) if you were not a guest at the Renaisance hotel complex you had to pay $50 to go to that island….and we all know Natalee had $50.
I have always thought it odd that Nat’s friends knew she had $50. It was as if they too had that amount and that is how they knew what she had because it’s just odd that Natalee would announce that amount if she were only going to CC’s where on that night they HI tourists were given 2 free drinks PLUS however many they ‘won’.
Anyhow, so about the $50….did they say she had it because she was supposed to have met them on RI for a party there and she never showed up, so they figured she must still have that on her….along with her driver’s license which is also interesting in that RI had 2 parts -a family side and an adult side- so perhaps one would need an ID to get on the adult side?
Interesting too about the Renaisance hotel…it’s owned by Marriot International, Inc. http://www.marriott.com/search/findHotels.mi and since Joran said he dropped Nat at the Marriot beach, could he really mean this hotel owned by Marriot? And, if so, was that supposed to be where she was going with him, but he didn’t go there with her?
Now just for fun…it seems Aruba has always hosted the Soul Beach Festival, but not this year! http://www.soulbeach.net/index.htm
Also wondering about the ‘other’ Charlie’s bar in San Nicolas. http://www.charliesbararuba.com/Intro/intro.html Notice they open just about any time they want to. And it IS near the grapefields and A Lighthouse. http://www.aruba.com/about/regionalmap.php
Could this be where J2K took Natalee for her ‘drink’ and then romped about that locality?
Disgustedmom: You have done a lot of research. What you posted makes sense.
If you recall, Geoff was supposed to have been charged with selling drugs. Some MBHS students say they saw Geoff hanging around Natalee. Geoff was arrested after Michael Dompig said something to get him arrested. The charges were suspicion of heavy battery, kidnapping, etc. Basically the same as Guido.
I do not believe Joran has been charged with the same offenses. He has lied so many times I can’t keep track.
Getting back to the restaurant and the Colorado lighthouse.
Do you recall that before Geoff was arrested the police found a VCB sport shirt, a pair of sport glasses similar to what Geoff wore, a bag with Lysol or some other substance (chloroform?), duct tape and foam with teeth marks imbedded.
That area was Weg Fontaine. (I think that is how it is spelled.) That area is near or in St. Nicholas.
The dicemen know. In Marvel comics the dice men owned a restaurant..
You would make a right coming out of C and C’s from West Straat to the Choose a Name go around the block and head straight south on 1A thru Seveneta and into St. Nicklas.
The distance would be about 15 to 16 kilometers. With no traffic lights and a speed limit of 35KM/hr it would take about 30 minutes to get there. Plenty of time for something to happen in the backseat of Deepak’s car.
Maybe Guido, Michael and Geoff where in the white car shadowing Deepak’s car that night. Geoff was supposed to own either a jeep or pickup. Michael I don’t know. Guido had the unknown make white car.
To Disgustedmom, 10061906, Richard
I don’t have time now. I will try to get it out tonight or in the morning. I have something I think you all will be interested in. It was one of my original thoughts when I first started following the case back in 05.
Watch for it.
Disgustedmom-good stuff.
Jerry
I wish I had the time. There is a ton of good stuff here. Great work Monkeys.
This is better than it has been in months.
Listen to Dana’s inteview with the Dr.
Jerry
I’m sorry monkeys; I’m going to have to test the waters here. If no one is thinking the way I am, then I just won’t go there. If someone can following my line of thinking, then let’s discuss it?
First of all, what were the 3 Amigos waiting for when the “gardener, hunting guide-what ever he really is) saw them by the pond inward from the fisherman’s huts? (The gardener-that’s a whole different theory, and where is he now?)
My theory is the 3 Amigos were watching Natalee’s body from a distance. They were waiting for someone to come pick it up and bury it. Who was this person?
This person (I don’t know his name) picks things up and buries them for an occupation-no it’s not an undertaker, and he didn’t even know he was picking a body up.
Can someone tell me the occupation of this person I am thinking of? If not, then I’ll drop the whole discussion for now and spell it out in a few days, or maybe not.
I think my theory is a viable alternative to anything I’ve heard before. 10061906 for sure, I know you can guess it.
Remember, in my opinion we are dealing with 3 simple minds here. There is not a genius in the bunch. All 3 are marginal retards.
Jerry
disgustedmom:
I believe the 2005 Soul Beach Concert was held at PALM BEACH.
http://www.blacknews.com/pr/aruba101.html
About half way through the article it says Palm Beach.
I vaguely remember from earlier postings and billboards showing who was appearing.
I’d stick with Palm Beach
I’m interested in your theory Jerry, lets hear it. Thanks!
Libby,
I’m home for lunch. I don’t have time right now, but I will spell it all out this P.M.
The man they were waiting for was the mobile sanitization engineer (ie. The trash truck driver).
Jerry
Jerry, I too think there is a dumpster involved in this, but not the same as what you’ve suggested so far. Very interested in what you have to say, then I might say what I think.
Waiting on Jerry, I thought I’d ask another question based on Dr Hodges’ ‘what has not been said’ psychology…
Who is conspicuously missing from the list of characters being accused of involvment or questioned in Natalee’s disappearance? I’ll give you a hint…he’s a missing ‘family’ member no one talks about. Why he’s even more ignored than Satish….and he scored pretty big all of a sudden, financially even though he apparantly couldn’t afford to hire his own stepsons a lawyer.
OK, you’re right! It’s 2K’s stepdad.
Why do I find this strange? Does anyone else find it strange?
A repeat.
Jerry
To disgustedmom and Libby,
I know this is really going to sound simplistic, and it may very well be. We are dealing with 3 very simple minds here. That Joran killed Natalee, I have no doubt. How it happen I can only speculate. Maybe he hit her; maybe he O.D. her. Maybe he chocked her or strangled her; maybe he duck taped her mouth, and she aspirated. Anyway, it is my best guess that all 3 of the original perps were present when Natalee died. There were probable others there too. I feel 1906′s list is fairly accurate.
Once Natalee died, maybe at the sloot house; maybe on the car ride to the house; perhaps at the lighthouse restaurant; the three main suspects had to hide her body. They knew they would be found, because too many people saw Natalee get in the car; and there was evidence on the body that would prove it was not a simple overdose or an accident.
There had been several cases in the U.S.A, where someone had murdered someone else and thrown the body in the trash, and all would have never been discovered if it had not been for a confession. The three thought that would be a good idea, so they drove around until they found an isolated dumpster (if there are not trash dumpsters on Aruba, this whole idea is not legitimate). They found one behind the racket club. They wrapped Natalee’s body in plastic to hide her, put her in the container and put other items over her to hide from view. They then became concerned that someone might discover her body, so they pulled off in the distance to make sure the trash truck picked up the dumpster before anyone found the body. This is where the gardener saw them.
Dr. Hodges said that Joran told how he went back some 16 hours later to see if Natalee was still there. If the trash truck never came that night, this statement makes sense, since Joran went back by the trash dumpster to see if her body was still there. He even stayed in the area, playing tennis with the Wever Kid for hours the next night (I think).
When Paulus was finally told what had happen, he made the no body, no crime statement. When Joran told him that they had put Natalee’s body in a dumpster, Paulus knew that the landfill is a place they would search, so he got the three to go to the landfill and look for Natalee’s body. My guess is that they found her body, and that is when Junior saw them. He thought they were leaving the body, but they were really taking it. They made it look like they were leaving the body when Junior saw them, and they either moved the body to a different part of the landfill, or took the body with them.
I know this sounds like I’m contradicting myself about Natalee being in the landfill. I know it sounds that way, but I still believe she is there.
Jerry