RSSSo Why Does an Innocent Man Pay for a Fauxtograph of Joran Van der Sloot with Natalee Holloway?
Welcome Fox News viewers, for those that wish to read the witness and suspect statements, go here or here
The answer is … an innocent person wouldn’t.
Exactly what type of person does this? What would possess someone to pay another to have their picture inserted into an existing picture of a girl who is presumed dead? One that you have been accused of killing.
How warped and sick must someone actually be to do this with a person who all believe to have passed? How disturbed and cruel an individual must one be? Joran Van der Sloot you are truly twisted and have much explaining to do. There is nothing remotely funny about this, but it certainly says much about your character and mental make up. What would your parents have to say about their little “sporter” now?
(Real photo above)
(Fauxtograph of Joran Van der Sloot & Natalee Holloway)
Email to Kees requesting that his picture be fauxto-shopped into an existing picture with Natalee Holloway.
Of course we remember who Kees is …
Girls Come and Go, Joran Van der Sloot.blogspot
Kees say:
Joran replies:
Tonight at 10:00 PM EDT Greta Van Susteren will be interviewing Peter de Vries and Beth Twitty regarding the recent de Vries show.
Gee Greta, you have done so much to help the family lately and keep the story in the news. Not to mention that “soft ball” interview with Joran. I guess there must have been a recent big event. Scared Monkeys has one question for Greta van Susteren …
“ARE YOU STILL INCLINED TO BELIEVE HIM?”
Posted November 27, 2006 by Scared Monkeys Aruba, Bizarre, Crime, Fauxtography, Joran Van der Sloot, Missing Persons, Natalee Holloway, WTF | 234 comments |
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klaasend wrote:
Red just got off the phone with Beth – Beth and Peter de Vries will be on Greta tonight!! 10pm Eastern
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No,I do not.I do not beleive at all.As he said,he is a LIAR.I think he is a sadist,rapist,and a killer.
STOP SPINNING GRETA
geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeshhh
call it like it is…………
http://s37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/?action=view¤t=devries-joran.flv
Look at this !! Another picture of Joran with Natalee as if they are on a date ?
It is just a short clip, pix right at the beginning…. Ty Klaasend …
Greta,
Get a clue. Even Joran’s own lawyer doesn’t believe him.
I wonder why Joran’s lawyer (Carlo) didn’t resign.
Beth gave props to Scared Monkeys tonight! Now we just have to get to the real story of NH disapperance and demise, bring the sporter to justice and close the case.
Red banner day, I say.
Even Greta admits how cruel Aruba has treated Beth. KJ hasn’t even contacted her. Where the hell is John Kelly. I thought he was her contact person. Mr. de Vries has done more in the last few weeks than he has done in the last few months.
Nice plug from Beth on Greta!! Maybe next time VDS gives an idiot interview he’ll plug FOB and Refs!
mac,
Don’t sweat it! You probably couldn’t afford Kelly anyway!
Greta the fair weathered friend.
Just curious – did that pic in the National Enquirer I saw last week have any credibility? The one with the blond haired girl wrapped in the plastic bag?
Holler if you hear this Joran, the clock is ticking….Pete is fast on you case……and it ain’t just the Americans anymore…….Who is next in the Aruban LE who will be brought forward for all to see the corruption?
What else will Mr. Devries uncover while looking?
Who will be the next to leave the island or retire?
You can run but you cannot hide the smell of pigs,,,
Aruba Pete DeVries is breathing down your back….Justice for Natalee Ann Holloway. Justice soon.
In Greta’s defense she did say that she has been wrong before.. Just shows you how the sporter is..
We know afterwards deepak was franticly cleaning his car at a absurd hour of like 3am. But here we have Joran at home watching porn videos until the sun comes out on the day of his exams at school. He is one sick twisted kid if he was doing this after something bad happened to natalee. Maybee Dennis Jacobs is right and this kid is evil.
Klaas: NJ on that video! I didnt think joran was man enough to come out and talk to a real reporter.
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SM: Thanks but I can’t take credit for it. The link was posted on a pro-Joran site and all I did was download it (klaasend)
In the forum they were discussing how much Anita knows – I think back to Anitas first televised statement very very early on and she was a broken women a women who knew her son was guilty of murder as time went on I believe Paulus convinced Anita it was best for the “family” to cover for joran, Paulus and Joran also most likely spun it that all this was NH’s fault. Hang in there all, I think eventually someone will spill all the beans, eventually these “kids” will grow up, maybe have kids of their own and realize the error of their ways or someone will be dying and have a come to jesus moment to try and save their soul
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=5550.msg177298;boardseen#new
partial transcript of Greta’s show tonight
courtesy Heli (Ref) and BFN
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SM:Â And also here in the Scared Monkeys forum by Jacqueline
 (klaasend)
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?p=79641&highlight=carlo#79641
I missed Greta on Foxnews! What did they say? Anything new about the case?
Anita needs to tell what she now knows about papa and son
#8
(kel)mac -
JQK and JTaco were the attorneys hired for the civil
case in the U.S. – Newsflash::: that case is over -
Did You Think Beth Would Keep JQK As Her Personal Attorney ?
If There Are Any Actions Filed In Aruba or Holland
Beth Would Hire An Attorney Authorized To Practice There -
(or maybe she already has…)
What kind of a sorry, sad, punk ass, fruitloop
can’t get a date, and has to manufacture a girlfriend?
A girl that is dead, a girl that he and his dad killed
and destroyed? (imho) Those pictures make me wanna barf!
They speak volumes to his mental frame of mind, and
it is not good, my friends.
Me thinks he has some
wicked a$$ bats
in his belfry,
beyotch!!!
…and the apple has not fallen far from the tree.
The more we peel away “layers of the onion”… the
sicker it gets, or so it seems.
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JUSTICE 4 NATALEE! She and her
family are so deserving of it.
It is almost here.
Keep swingin’
those hammers!
-J4N
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http://tinyurl.com/ygebcz
http://tinyurl.com/yflqsd
This one is by Klaas,
it’s hysterical! ROFL
http://tinyurl.com/y68b77
We don’t know whether there is any truth behind JvdS’s statement (on Greta’s show, I believe, some months back) that he had his friends had done this “at least 20 times.”
And, of course, the stupidity in not following up on that statement and asking WHAT have you done at least 20 times is obvious.
But anyway, these disgusting details about the photo mentioned here seem to suggest that he may have had some kind of fascination with the blond girl type that Natalee was. It would be interesting to know what kinds of tourist girls he and the other “Pimps” targeted.
As for van Susteren, SM is perfectly on target. After all this time of doing nothing, suddenly there’s a new development in the case … and she pounces. Perfectly useless, other than to do “me too” journalism.
Does anybody know whether this photo business is getting publicity in Aruba? It damn well should. If Jossy Mansur is really out for justice, then he should be rubbing the nose of the Aruba government in this relentlessly.
What can we do to help?
I think Fox News should let Peter R de Vries host the 1 hr Dutch show; keep Greta in the broom closet where she belongs.
Shades of Orenthal (oj) Simpson! “If I did it”. Everything but the truth from this guy. Obviously, it is eating away at him; as we all knew it would.
LOL Carpe and Klaas
Pedal faster……Joran
softly, softly, catchee monkey…
At long last, the wheel seemingly is about to stop its spin and land on this wretched souls’ number.
Joran, enjoy your fun of taunting grieving family and friends. That step you just took is quicksand. Bad move on your part as it reveals the psychological profile of a sociopath.
softly, softly, catchee monkey…
#22- carpe that one by Klaas of urine on the bike is a classic…im still laughing.
What a SICK twisted moron, I think now I have seen it all. In my wildest dreams I never would have thought ANYONE would have their picture inserted with a missing person. He is SCARY. If he was my son god forbid, I would have to have him locked up before he hurts someone else. He is ONE LOONEY TOON.
Please read and reread the statements each statement contradicts the next. Aruba we figured it out why wouldn’t you?
“I am inclined not to believe ANY of them”
Just one more thing….Karen Jaansen why don’t you call the mother (Beth Twitty) of the girl (Natalee Holloway)
that was last seen on your island, and let her know what is going on. You Ms. Jaansen , a woman, cannot find it in your person to call Beth Holloway and let her in on the progress or non progress of this case? I thought you of all people would be the one to understand a mothers concern, I was wrong and so are you.
June 11, 2005
CNN Saturday Morning News
http://tinyurl.com/ydv83g
“CNN has learned a suspect has confessed to killing Natalee Holloway.”
NGUYEN: Up first this hour, CNN has learned that one of three suspects in the Natalee Holloway disappearance has confessed to killing her.
KARL PENHAUL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It would seem so, Betty, although police at this stage are playing their cards very close to their chest because of the extreme sensitivity of this case for the island. But shortly before midnight, a senior police officer told CNN that one of the three suspects detained on Thursday had made a confession to the killing of Natalee Holloway. He didn’t say which of the three suspects had made that confession.
You’ll remember that on Thursday three young men, one 17 years old and two brothers aged 18 and 21, were arrested by police. And their homes were searched, a car was taken away as evidence, along with computer equipment and some other items.
Now, the prime minister of the island has said that he, so far, has not been informed of any confession. At the same time, he says that those able to make statements about this issue are those directly carrying out the investigations. As part of the separation of political powers here, the prime minister, although broadly kept up to date with the pace of investigations, would not be kept up with minute-by-minute developments, as he has told us — Betty.
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NGUYEN: And what about the search for Natalee? Now that we have this confession, any indication as to whether this will lead to a search to find Natalee or her remains?
PENHAUL: There had been suggestions even as early as last night a search could get under way to look for possible remains of Natalee Holloway. The prime minister and also police officials then said that the search would not take place last night, but they did say that in the early morning, investigators would continue doing their job. They said that included the question of searching for further evidence, including possible remains — Betty.
NGUYEN: Now, does that cause a question in your mind? Because we have a confession, but now you’re saying there’s no search in any particular area. Is that because maybe this confession doesn’t detail where Natalee may be?
PENHAUL: We have no further details of the confession, the detail of the confession or the depth of the confession. One must remember that Aruba’s police force, while they pursue this investigation very thoroughly, very enthusiastically, it is, nevertheless, a small police force, and we don’t know if they are equipped to carry out this type of search during nighttime hours. And that could be a reason why up until now most search operations here on the island during Natalee’s disappearance have been conducted during daytime hours — Betty.
1. On June 11, 2005, CNN was reporting a direct quote from a polis official who informed CNN that shortly before midnight, one of the three suspects had CONFESSED to KILLING Natalee Holloway.
That puts to rest the ” she was experimenting with drugs and alcohol lie”, along with the “she od/she used cocaine lie”, and calls to question WHO drugged Natalee, and WHO murdered her? WHO made the confession to KILLING HER and WHERE is this June 10th, CONFESSION?
2. Homes of suspects were searched ( all except Joran and Paulus’ living quarters…?). A car was seized and computer equipment and “some other items” were seized. Where is the evidence collected? Is it with the blood that was transformed into chocolate?
3. According to Neslon Oduber, only those most imtimately involved with the case from the ALE, would be able to give confirmation that a CONFESSION had been made by one of the suspects.
“…those able to make statements about this issue are those directly carrying out the investigations. As part of the separation of political powers here, the prime minister, although broadly kept up to date with the pace of investigations, would not be kept up with minute-by-minute developments, as he has told us…”
Therefore, this confirms that not only was a confession indeed made, since the authoritative source of the release of this information came from “a senior police officer” but Oduber further confirms the validity of this information since “As part of the separation of political powers here, the prime minister, although broadly kept up to date with the pace of investigations, would not be kept up with minute-by-minute developments,” … which would therefore put to rest the other lie that this confession was now, suddenly a “misinformation campaign”.
If the only credible sources able to confirm that a confession was indeed made – would have to come from an authoritative source that was ” those able to make statements about this issue are those directly carrying out the investigations”, and the source of the confession came from a senior police official directly involved with the carrying out of the investigations, then HOW did the confession become “mis-information” ?
WHO TURNED JORAN’S CONFESSION INTO MISINFORMATION?
If Nelson Oduber confirmed that only those “directly involved” with carrying out the investigation could have verified that a confession was made, and this indeed is what took place, then WHO decided to take the CONFESSION, destroy this evidence and then create another twisted lie to tell the public that this was all just a ‘misinformation’ campaign?
WHO TURNED THE CONFESSION INTO A “MIS-INFORMATION CAMPAIGN”?
4. How did polis go to the lighthouse location the very next day, after the confession was made, without the suspect’s inclusion of this location in his confession as the site where he buried Natalee’s body?
5. Since the suspect had to have included the location of WHERE he had buried Natalee, then WHAT was the real reason for waiting and not immediately going to the lighthouse location on June 10th, after Joran’s confession?
Was the reason for waiting, to allow for assurances that Natalee’s body would once again be successfully moved and not found as in: “NO BODY, NO CASE”?
NGUYEN: “And what about the search for Natalee? Now that we have this confession, any indication as to whether this will lead to a search to find Natalee or her remains?
PENHAUL: There had been suggestions even as early as last night a search could get under way to look for possible remains of Natalee Holloway. The prime minister and also police officials then said that the search would not take place last night, but they did say that in the early morning, investigators would continue doing their job..”
Why did the polis need to wait and delay, in order to search for Natalee’s remains? The prime minister and polis both said that the search would NOT take place “last night”. Why? What was the reason for the WAIT?
NGUYEN: “Now, does that cause a question in your mind? Because we have a confession, but now you’re saying there’s no search in any particular area. Is that because maybe this confession doesn’t detail where Natalee may be…”
Clearly, the ALE did know WHERE to look, as they took off for the lighthouse on June 11, 2005. But they didn’t go on June 10th, after Joran’s confession.
Yes, this does cause a BIG QUESTION to surface in our minds.
CNN’s journalist, Penhaul had stated that:
“One must remember that Aruba’s police force, while they pursue this investigation very thoroughly, very enthusiastically, it is, nevertheless, a small police force, and we don’t know if they are equipped to carry out this type of search during nighttime hours.”
Yet, we now know that despite Aruba being fully aware of its limitations in size and resources, they vehemently prevented the U.S. FBI from gaining any direct involvement in searching and investigating this case. FBI divers were never used in any water searches. In fact, they never set foot in the water. Other agents walked out of “interrogations” in disgust with what they were witnessing going on.
In fact, Jan Van der Straaten and Karen Janssen both declared that they did not need help from the FBI.
If the issue was truly about the ALE”s size and resourse capacity, wouldn’t they have availed themselves of the resources they had right there at their fingertips — the expertise of FBI men and women, who were right there, ready and willing to offer their expertise and assistance?
Since the ALE did not avail themselves of the FBI as a rich resource to use in recovering Natalee’s body after the June 10th confession of Joran, then the size of the ALE and its “limitations” had nothing to do with why Natalee’s body was not immediately recovered following Joran’s confession.
Why then did the ALE yet find another reason to DELAY ?
Perhaps the reason for why the ALE took no action to recover Natalee’s body after Joran’s June 10th confession had to do with the insightful comments by Penhaul, which were further verified through Oduber’s own direct statements concerning what impact that the kidnapping, gang rape, murder and bodily theft and desecration of Natalee Holloway — a young, innocent honor roll student /tourist would have on Aruba’s tourism and Aruba’s image: ” …police at this stage are playing their cards very close to their chest because of the extreme sensitivity of this case for the island…”
if you did not see fox greta show on 11-27-06 ,you can see the video here ..http://www.zorpia.com/justicefor
Pearl the lies continue. What day did Dave Holloway see the polis car with the trunk open? How many HITS did the search dogs from TES find? Where was the shallow grave and who found it? Was the shallow grave cordoned off as a crime scene?
The lies continue and the cover up exists. Karen Jaansen call Beth Twitty.
ANITA IS THE HEAD HO OF THIS BUNCH !
you can greta show on 11-27-06 ,video here ,..
http://www.zorpia.com/justicefor
A man that was blind in one eye and could’t see out of the other could see that this was a cover up from the very start. Of course, Greta would be inclined to believe Joran’s lies. :::rolls eyes::: Cracker Jack, I’ll tell ya!
Yes, 32. Good questions!
And why did the judge prevent a full house search from taking place, as Paulus called upon his connections ( Croes, the prosecutor general?)…to perhaps, intervene?
What judge stays at the home of a prime suspect in a murder non-investigation,while preparing to make “rulings” on how evidence, suspects, and critical evidence would be treated?
And just think: Paulus says that he has “more” but can’t tell it right now, because it could hurt some people.
Yes, we know WHO it will hurt as you’ve already demonstrated for us through all the lies, obstructions of justice and cover ups – WHO it is you intend to hurt:
Hurt “THE GIRL”, HURT NATALEE HOLLOWAY OVER AND OVER AGAIN,
HURT THE VICTIM, HURT THE INNOCENT CHILD, HURT THE CHILD’S FAMILY, LIE, LIE, OBSTRUCT, OBSTRUCT, COVER UP and COVER UP AGAIN,and then tell us how “safe and happy” of an island Aruba “really” is!
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY!
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY!
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY!
How could any parent look Beth Twitty in the eyes and lie to her face concerning WHAT happened to Natalee?
What kind of a person could function on such a lack of conscience?
What kind of a person would betray the trust of a child, betray a child’s right to be protected?
What kind of savage would engage in the torture and torment of a grieving family whose only pursuit was to bring their precious child back to her homeland so that she could be dignified with a proper burial?
What kind of men and women live in Aruba who would participate in all the obstructions, cover ups and lies to a heartbroken mother seeking to simply find her beautiful daughter so that she could hold her in her arms just one more time before burying her – forever?
What kind of cruelty would persist in denying this family the remains of their murdered, raped and beaten child?
http://arubadirtypolice.blogspot.com
http://crime.about.com/b/a/180071.htm
Read third paragraph from above
http://judicial-inc.biz/J_Oran_va_der_sloot_photos.htm
Who is this man sitting next to Natalee?
http://judicial-inc.biz/Joran_va_der_sloot.htm
If you look there is all kinda stuff out there.
miss-underestimated, Yes the lies and the cover up continues. I just hope it all ends soon. I wonder why JQK is still not on the case?
Mac-
How do you know that?
He was on TV last week in regards to Oj and was asked about the Natalee Holloway case and confidently added for all to stay tuned.
Sometimes Kelman, it is easier to let some one else do some of the work, especially if they are Dutch and its a Dutch goverment issue.
http://judicial-inc.biz/j_interviews.htm#Buy%20time
Pauless worked for the prosecutor general.
One word: Sicko
Arubaanse,
Hi, hope all is well with you! ABSOLUTELY,
I am 99% sure that if Joran was another
color, or possibly poor as a church mouse
with no family resources…
They’d still have him in jail… if not buried
under it.
I may be incorrect on this – I’m going by memory…
I thought I read somewhere that the security guards
had their door(s) kicked in when arrested?
IF* that turns out to be factual… and you
compare that with how they arrested
Joran & Co. – that is not good
at all.
Can someone please tell me that if both papasweat and baby huey can both say that they know more and will one day tell, but not right now..Can’t they be forced to tell? I mean isnt that obstruction???I know its a third world country that freakin lieruba, but still??? I hope arubans saw the show and maybe the good ppl will wonder what is up with the lying sack of crap the SLOOTS are. They have caused this boycott forever.
Scary weird and scary stupid. Who would pay 200 of any currency to have their picture inserted with their own victim? SICKO!
Disappointing as it is, Greta told Beth that her producer would move her to other news when things came up. What was really sickening and devastating, was when Greta said that she almost believed Joran. How could she say that? in public? She’ll have to eat her words.
molly (in Houston)
“My client Joran van der Sloot played a major part
in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.”
Spoken by defense attorney Carlo
Because of the new info that he came forward to KJ, I fear for Carlo’s life – he will probably be a target now. Hopefully he doesn’t end up a crispy critter in the caves like poor Pitbull or buried in filthy garbage at the dump. KJ should’ve kept this info about their meeting to herself -you don’t rat on an informant if you want them to keep talking.
Deepak Statements to A.L.E.
6/29/2005
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On your question what Joran’s mom
meant by telling us that we should
stay away from the “Marriot Hotel”,
I can say the following. With this
she meant that the police was monitoring
that area and that we were already in
trouble. So avoid the area and that it
was best to head home.
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WTF ???
http://tinyurl.com/yehr3a
-J4N
Just curious – did that pic in the National Enquirer I saw last week have any credibility? The one with the blond haired girl wrapped in the plastic bag?
Comment by Cynthia C-Roberts | November 27, 2006, 10:43 pm
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Hi Cynthia,
As far as I know, they are the real deal.
Actually, they are not new. People
have been working with the images
for a 1/2 year or so.
#46 Vicki: That’s been bothering the heck out of me as well. Who the hell are they gonna hurt with any info they posses…Friends who assisted them in a cover-up? Perhaps a veiled threat to expose a few rats that set them up to do what they do best?…. Either way, where the **** is Aruba’s law enforcement apparatus to haul their as{{edit}} in and demand answers every time they make these claims.. Picture Paulus with his hands around Dompig’s balls with a caption: “Who’s your Daddy bit{{edit}}!” What a joke for a law enforcement agency….not to mention, island!
Sorry for the vulgarity!
devries, said theres a witness statement from one of natalees friends on the trip that said she did cocaine.I wonder does this statement have a name on it,are is it a statement the police made up and attached it to a witness report.
Miss-Underestimated, # 41: Read post #20 by mychic. She says Beth no longer has JQK.
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SM: I am not sure if that’s true. I think there may be still some involvement.
R
ben, Even if she did cocaine that is no reason to rape and kill her.
Ben
I wonder if that was the case don’t you think they would have found Natalee, if she had cocaine in her that would have been enuff foder for self endangerment. It’s just another BS statement to provide scrunity onto Natalee and not the perps.
Miss, I believe that is papasweat there with Natalee. If it wasnt he would have strongly denied it before now…
# 36 There were TWO ” searches ” .. no that was the wrong word. TWO NON SEARCHES. The first time was when Joran was taken in for babysitting and the second was when Paulus was detained. The second one was when the two Sloot vehicles were taken. I do remember seeing almost a guard of men on the first one. CNN . I guess it’s ok in Aruba to have high ranking justice officials on the premises to prevent the police from doing their work ? Or was the purpose to intimidate the police ? Whatever, we just do not understand their system. Ben Vocking now known as Ben King was there.
Friend of family, Director of the KIA prison. Do you think the police would have felt intimidated ?
Hey Mac
Go to Greta’s site and search for the conversation she had recently with JQK in regards to the book deal for OJ, there was reference to the Natalee Holloway case and him telling us to STAY TUNED.
Cynthia – If you read the NE article, Art Woods states that his expert has said the bag photos are bogus in regards to “seeing” in the bag.
Fox just had on Joe T. He was saying that the story ran by de Vries was nothing. He took shots at Beth for making this out to be more then it is. Just like the Doctor Phil tapes. When she made claims about them being a smoking gun and then having the tapes turn out to be doctored. Joe T is a cocky son of a gun.
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SM:Joe T … a NYC, $500 an hr atty calling someone else materialistic and a capitalist …
That may be the quote of the week.
What happened to doing the VDS case pro bono Joe? As you stated you were in the beginning?
R
OK KELLY WE ARE STAYING TUNED IN….and are standing by…
I have heard stay tuned for 18 long months. I’m sick and tired of this. I want action. It’s like deep throat. In two weeks we will hear whom he is. I don’t think JQK will have anything more. Go Mr. devries.
Remember, Natalee had some kind of sinus infection when she went on that trip. This medicine might have been mistaken for cocaine by whatever “friend” supposedly saw her using it. I think that report, if indeed it was ever made, says more about the “friend” than it does about Natalee, whom I don’t think ever used any illicit drugs.
Possibly for the first time in his life, PvdS told the truth if he said that he can’t release information because it might hurt someone. Such as himself, his rat-ass son, his wife, the two Kalpoe freaks, and perhaps some Pimps ….
If this statement is genuine, than doesn’t it constitute an admission of what could be new evidence? Wouldn’t it justify hauling him in again?
Say, does anyone know if Aruba actually paid this piece of scum the damages he won in court? Last I heard, the Aruban government was filing an appeal against that verdict.
I wonder if Mr. De Vries is watching fox…
Mr. De Vries does have a reputation and track record for solving cold cases.
Maybe we can have a score board of Joe T -VS- DeVries as far as wins?
Joe T. is only motivated by $$$ and not by the truth. I don’t know how he can sleep at night…talking against Beth! I pray he wakes up and see’s the light!!
I don’t understand…did I miss some postings since I have been away from SM from time to time lately…
What is going on with the Dutch authorities in regard
to them doing the investigation of Natalee’s murder?????
You got it, # 58. The heaviest amount of intimidation, mixed with the most perverse amount of corruption and deception.
Add to that the deviants who for the sake of the “brand name and perverted image” made a decision to obstruct justice in the gang rape, kidnapping and murder of an innocent child from the U.S.A.
Now you know why the FBI divers walked out after roughly 48 hours.
It didn’t take them long to see through the lies and the cover up being crafted and sold to the media.
A series of non-searches, non-interrogations, false statements to the press,fixing the contradicting statements between J2K and removing them from the files, dumping all the evidence, while insuring judges in place to prevent further evidence from being established, and add to that high-ranking KIA officials at the home of none other, than the prime Sloot suspect and his father.
Yes. No body, no case, lots of heavy handedness, with a load of intimidation, and by all means, no justice, no truth…, no voice from the innocent victim, lots of slanderous lies created about the victim to portray her and cast her in a negative light, while the KILLERS walk away unscathed…..and we are left with Arlene’s deep and penetrating took her all day to think up remark: “She just kind of vanished..”
NO NATALEE HOLLOWAY. NO BODY, NO CRIME.
JUSTICE FOR THIS CHILD.
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY.
Seems more and more people are disinclined to accept the beach story at all and are moving into the the VDS home. With no PVDS timeline (ALA MD) and a trunkload of queries about drug use and assertins of Joran high as a kite, of Paulus researching the effects of certain drugs, Dompig’s overdose and now DeVries intimations (??) and claims of Natalie’s drug experimentation, etc…. To accept that Natalee experimented with Cocaine or any drug, you’d have to accept that Natalee would have gone to the VDS home willingly…. Doesn’t wash…so someone would have had to have given it to her…Remember early on how it was said that with tourist girls, the plan was to leave them on a beach near their hotel on their last night, strung out. Guess the plan would have changed iffn she passed away. That’s NOT an accidental overdose!!!! If you got something to add VDS’s, then please do so…People have had to endure 18 months of silence on your part and threats of you and jr talking up…By all means, after you.
Oh me gosh. Look who sneaked in again. Mac, we already have your number. Your posts still reek of Kelmal and the rest of your nics.
Joe T. is still the same oily slick schyster he was throughout. He is in Rome,looking for the next you know what to defend?
My mind stays wide open for the rest of the De Vries story and with some luck there will be a good outcome.
You all think there are some fancy houses closing down about now?…..chris
Joe T. accusing someone else of cashing in on the tragedy!
PRICELESS!
Joe, are you buying your kids’ Christmas presents with that fortune you received to defend Joran? How “proud” you must be—NOT!
tacojoe cant hold a candle FOR beth much less to her. That retard is such a lowlife that it makes me sick. Hey Joe, hope you dont have any little girls. They may want to go to Aruba someday to meet the ppl that daddy got off.
Joe T. is in it just for the money. Wait till he puts his book out.
As always. Since the case seems to have some new legs. http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5c.html/?24 how about we ask Nancy Grace for some coverage reguarding Peter R. de Vries show the other night. donny@cnbc.com let’s ask him to give an hour on his show to Mr de Vries and Beth. I’m getting tired of seeing Trump on his show anyway. Same for this weekends lineup@foxnews.com This time let’s try something different. Instead of asking Doctor Phil for some coverage. Let’s ask his wife Robin. http://www.drphil.com/plugger/respond/?plugID=9275 Also let’s try Oprah. Maybe she can help us out. http://www.oprah.com/email/reach/email_reach-fromu.jhtml Here’s Americas Most Wanted http://www.amw.com/contact_us maybe they would like to hook up with Mr de Vries. Last but very least. ontherecord@foxnews.com For Greta Van der Straaten fans, feel free to e-mail her asking her to stay on the story. She’ll probably give Joe T 15 minutes on tonights show to disuade the american public of his clients guilt , before agreeing with everything he says. Stating that she still believes Joran is innocent. Also ask these shows that Joe T not be allowed on the programs.
seems oprah changed her e-mail http://www.oprah.com/email/reach/email_showideas.jhtml
Is Greta eating crow yet?
Viet Vet… we know they lied to you and that these devils went so far as to assault this innocent child in death, even as they tormented and tortured her in the final moments of her life.
Please know Viet Vet, that we are with you.
We are standing by your side.
You are not alone in this battle, and neither shall this child be left all alone so long as all of us stand together by her side and honor her truth and her story.
For all the lies you were told, for all the perverse insidious attempts to thwart Beth’s search for her precious child, for all the laches twisting of the integrity of the law and the perverted conduct on the part of those entrusted with the public’s trust, for all the lascivious perverse cruelty hurled upon this child in the final moments of her life, as well as in the horrific suffering inflicted upon her and her family in her death, for the heartless cruelty her family suffered, as well as all those who tried to help her – please know, Viet Vet that we are standing by your side, and we will stand by this child’s side and honor her good name, her radiant reputation, and the clarity and vibrant truth of her voice and her story.
You are not alone, Viet Vet. Beth is not alone.
Dave is not alone.
And Natalee is not alone.
We stand with you as we stand with her.
We did not choose her; she chose each one of us to carry her truth,
to honor her cries for justice.
This child summons all of us together to stand up for the rights of children to be SEEN, to be NAMED, to be HONORED, to be REMEMBERED, to be treated with DIGNITY AND RESPECT, and to have the integrity of the law uphold her right – and the rights of every young girl to have the sanctity of their human rights honored and upheld.
Natalee Holloway was kidnapped, raped and murdered and the nation of Aruba sanctioned these horrific crimes against Natalee’s human rights,… a tourist – who was a child.
And rather than hold those responsible for these horrific crimes committed against this child and all the violations of her human rights, Aruba instead chose to honor the killers, and villify the INNOCENT VICTIM.
We will not abandon this child.
We will stand by her side and honor her cries for truth and justice!
Rise up and let your voices be heard!
Rise up and cry out the name of Natalee Holloway, and her right to have her truth told and her justice delivered.
We will stand by this child’s side, Viet Vet and we will stand by Beth’s side, your side, this family’s side, until this child’s truth is honored, her name is dignified with the honor and integrity of her truth, and her justice is finally delivered.
Natalee wanted to come home.
Her packed bags tell us that she longed to see her family once again, and that she enthusiastically was joyfully looking forward to seeing her mother and father one more time.
Natalee was robbed of her family, her siblings, her mother, her father, a life of dreams, hopes and promises…
We honor Natalee through our voices gathered here together, in crying out for her justice, in crying out for her truth to be told!
We honor this child by standing together by her side.
We will not abandon this child.
We will stand by her side…
Justice for Natalee Holloway!
Justice for Natalee Holloway!
Justice for Natalee Holloway!
Peter de Vries is on the late night show Jensen in The Netherlands now airing and Beth is live on the phone in the show also. Peter thinks that the case can be resolved.
So folks…it comes to this….Here is how the case went down…and here is how it will end up—
J2K drugged and took Natalee back to the VDS compound. At the compound they raped and abused the semi-concious/semi unconcisous Natalee. Perhaps the Pimps participated in this…but I am not sure. It is possible that Paulus participated…but I am leaning against this at this time.
When she was not coming to, they brought her to Paulus in the family home. Virtually in a coma, they spent the night frantically trying to figure out what to do with her….bring her to the hospital and they all go to the ‘pokey’ for rape, kidnapping, and heavy battery…or, keep her at the home and see if she will come to.
As the evening progressed into early morning, the sh*t hit the fan. Paulus frantically searching on the computer for what was going on with the mixture of the date rape drugs and the alcohol. In a few short hours, she would be reported as missing her flight and all hell would begin to break loose. They had a problem….alive girl in coma in Paulus and Anita’s home with rape and trauma evidence all over her. A moral and ethical Y in the road had been hit…take her to the hospital and go to jail…or, get rid of her and this would all go away if they could make sure there was no body to be found.
Natalee was put out of her misery and near death coma by gunshot on the mattress in Paulus and Anita’s home. Where the body went from here…could be in cement on site…could be incinerated…could be 10 miles out at sea. The boys don’t know the final resting spot, but they were involved in the transfer of her body and the blood soaked mattress in the Kalpomobile.
PAULUS WAS YOUR PERP. HE DETERMINED WHICH ROAD TO TAKE IN THE Y. HE IS THE ONE WITH NO TIMELINE OF THE NIGHT YET HE WAS ARRESTED AS A SUSPECT. HE IS THE ONE THAT WAS PROTECTED BY JUDGES AND LAW ENFORCEMENT. HE IS THE ONE THAT ARRANGED FOR ‘NO BODY, NO CRIME.’— YET HE WAS ARRESTED AS A SUSPECT!!!
Although Paulus didn’t start this chain of events, he finished them. Perhaps he got a little action in with the pimps. I now lean towards the pimps brought her to him and he disposed of Natalee and assured the crime scene would not be searched or investigated.
Paulus can not tell any more of what happened that night even though he fully knows what he, his son, and his friends did; because it will expose ALL of the government actors involved in covering this up for the sake of tourism. Aruba played by the old playbook of cover-ups — LET THIS BE A CASE STUDY TO ALL CARIBBEAN ISLANDS THAT IN THE AGE OF THE INTERNET, YOU CAN NO LONGER COVER-UP CRIMES AGAINST YOUR TOURISTS. LET THIS BE THE BEGINNING OF AN ERA OF OPENNESS TO AMERICANS ABOUT CRIME AND HOW YOU DEAL WITH IT. MD
I don’t understand. Why would Joran want to photoshop a picture of himself with Natalee? Doesn’t he just want this whole nightmare to go away?! So far, he’s gotten off scott-free… So why would he do this? Why would he want to wake the speculation back up?? Is Joran another “OJ-styled” attention-monger exhibitionist who can’t stand to watch his 15 minutes fade to black?
What a very strange move – especially for an “innocent” person!
Joe Tacopina.
edited for language .
Very funny how they never really got to search the PVDS compound. It was really a non search. And all that perspiration when daddy was inteviewed the first couple of times.
Brings us back to PVS and his relationship with VanderStatten and Karin Johnson.
Also the night Beth showed up and the VDS home and papa called JVS to come back. He claims Deepack drove him, but didn’t someone say the car was in the compound at PVS home?
These priviledged people nearly got away with it.
Someone else suggested that the sporter requested the fake picture to get back at Daddy and mommy who have him on near lock down. This is his immature and sick way of alerting Daddy that he could talk if he wanted to.
Can’t colloborate this story just yet, but if true, trust me, this is a sign to someone, if not daddy, that JVS is getting ready to talk. Meltdown time.
I always figured Anita to be the first to crack, but guess it won’t be.
The Truth is about to come spilling out.
#78 Michael,,,, Please keep us informed! Thanks
Minnesota Dad: Good story but if they raped her at Joran’s Apt. then why didn’t they find any evidence?
I have to say that this “talk” of late could just be another set up for the public. I remember last Sep-2005. There was talk of witness’, etc, but then nothing and the boys were released from jail.
Now we have all this talk again and the suspects go back to court in two days and honestly, they could be released all together.
Wishful thinking to hope that this case is going to spill open, but a haunting voice says, maybe not.
The sporters own words have always had a chilling affect on me. Take this example from his interview with Tim at A current Affair. He was asked what was NH like?
JVS: Joran van der Sloot: I don’t have really that many memories. I mean, I, I knew her for one night. I feel stupid, I feel horrible that I even went out that night without my father knowing. I should’ve just stayed home and this wouldn’t have happened to me. It would’ve happened to another person. I just try to look at it like I was at the wrong place at the wrong time, maybe even with the wrong people. and I just hope that everything… the truth comes out, that this comes to clarity in this case
Re read his answer, I feel stupid, I feel horrible…I should have stayed home… and this wouldn’t have happened to me, it would have happened to someone else???????
Can you believe it???? He states it would have happened. He was at the wrong place at the wrong time……
chilling words “It would have happned…………..”
My follow up questions would have been WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPNED JORAN? You already claim you don’t know?
Reporter asking about NH conditon at the beach, (which many of us believe the whole beach story may be concocted”
Was she angry?
JVS: “She wasn’t … she wasn’t angry. If anything she was probably more.. I don’t know… upset that I was leaving her there. And, I don’t know what reaction she had. I don’t know.”
JVS doesn’t know if she was angry, maybe upset????? Of course he can say for sure it was the beach, he can say for sure he left a shoe, he can say for sure she was drunk, he can say for sure he left he okay, but he can’t remember if she was angry……He can’t remember her reaction?
he also told authorities the next night he couldn’t recall NH. Said he didn’t know her? or words to that affect.
The sporter is lying.
One of his answers when asked about where is NH? His reply that’s the million dollar question. Could this have been code about how much money he was asking to keep his silence?
Could his recent picture (fake) with him and NH be a signal to someone that he can still talk>
I bet the sporter thinks he is getting money out of this…..
Justic for NH
My thoughts on why jurin would pay to photoshop this pix is to put in his upcoming “book” of lies.
Skyboxx great posts. Interested in updates on #83. And #88 jurin didn’t know Nat’s emotion b/c pvds didn’t elaborate on that part of the lie. imo.
hi all Monkeys!!!!
Get’em Peter R. deVries, please!!!!!!!!!!
Justice for Natalee
#80, gosh, i’d be happy to help him out by showing up at his execution. oh, that’s right you can only get l5 yrs. for kidnapping, rape, and murder on the vile isle. especially if the victim is just a girl. the vile isle doesn’t think very much of their womenfolk.
dennisintn
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNM32lS81Zc&NR
I Think what beth says here was the complete truth of what happened. These statements along with the announcement of the confession and retreaval of natalee are exactly what happened. Those early statements had all the answer’s and everyone knew it. This should have been all over before june 11th 2005.
Instead the Aruba Cover up team denied it,destroyed it and led this poor family on one lying goose chase. If you look at statements of both dompig and jansen they are both guilty as hell in this coverup. Dompig actually went on record saying he never saw any proof of any of the sexual assaults. We know beth and jossy have seen numerous different statements made by joran that said he had sex with natalee and she was in and out of consciousness.
1:40 am is the time I am going by that they all arrived at the sloot compound. Computer records show joran watching porn for at least 2 hours and we have deepak cleaning his car at 2:30-3:00am. We have ATM withdrawls which place joran or paulus back out that same morning. I think its pretty obvious something bad happened before the time deepak was cleaning his car. I think its beyond sick that they threw out all jorans true statements and replaced them with complete bull shit.
Why did they withdraw cash so late that night? Did they dispose of natalee before 4am or did they even attempt to get her medical attention? Did paulus ever try to help natalee or was his search on the internet strictly to conceal her death?
“Your own father”.. Unbeleavable!!– Deepak Kalpoe
“I lied and thats the truth”–Joran Van Der Sloot
Minnesota Dad always makes sense.
For anyone interested, here is a sample letter you can use to write your congressmen/women:
I am a constituent living in ___________-, and I am writing in regards to Natalee Ann Holloway, the 18-year-old U.S. citizen who disappeared on the island of Aruba and whose family has suffered enormously at the hands of the Aruban government and law enforcement.
I understand the Holloway-Twitty family is from Alabama; however, there are people all over the country doing as much as they can to help the family recover information about the Natalee, as well as help to bring her home to her family.
There is enormous evidence of substantial corruption within the Aruban Law Enforcement which has resulted in a cover-up of enormous proportions regarding the disappearance of Natalee. Evidence points to her murder, the disposal of her body and the purposeful evasion of law enforcement by those involved.
I would like to call your attention to the website, scaredmonkeys.com, at which much investigative research has been conducted. The owners of the website have participated in the actual search for Natalee, and posters have scrutinized the case, finding ties to organized crime out of Chicago and South Florida. Videos of Aruba have surfaced on the internet which feature local officials painting over probable crime sites among dead bodies on rocky beaches. Most alarming is the part of the video featuring a plastic bag left in a basin through which multiple corpses can be seen — one of which shares identical facial features (hairline, teeth, eyes, nose) of Natalee.
I appeal to you as a U.S. Congressman to take an interest in this case of a U.S. citizen who cannot return to her country. I hope to increase your awareness of this case and urge you to share the desperation her family endures as they try to seek justice and ultimately recover their daughter.
Please help bring Natalee home to her family and to the United States where she belongs.
Sincerely,
This was from Gretawire today.
E-mail No. 33
Greta to suggest “Corruption” in the case of Natalee Halloway, is a gross understatement! It’s the same old story the world over, if you are rich enough, have enough political clout/power or celebrity, you usually can get by with anything! This is really disgusting, to say the least! Don’t you remember way back when that team from Texas who was there to dig for evidence, starting to dig around the the grounds where Joran lives, and Joran’s dad came out and went ballistic, who demanded that they stop digging around their house or grounds? I think he was panicked that they might find some viable evidence, so he just went nuts and ordered the men away from his property. I will always believe that Joran is very much responsible for whatever happened to Natalee. If one was to dig around the grounds of Joran s family’s house, they would find the evidence they need. I think something happened to Natalee while she was in Joran’s little bungalow, and she was buried somewhere on their property. It is so frustrating to feel so helpless as to getting information, but at least the finger is pointing again where it belongs, back at Joran VanderSloot! It is terribly cruel that Karin couldn’t have had the warmth, sympathy and class to keep Natalee’s family informed on everything, but it’s been a long, cruel, frustrating journey from the start!
Sincerely,
Loretta Young
E-mail No. 35
Hello Greta;
I am so mad about the Natalie Holloway case that I can’t stand it. Followed it from day one. Why can’t the CIA or some other group investicate this case, especially, if there was some kinea calusion of the Arubian autorities. Because then it matters to all future visitors for any country to Aruba, and can happen again, as these peeps just don’t care about the Law.
Greg Farr
Portland, OR
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,232357,00.html
Dr. Michael Baden, a very well know pathologist was so angry after Dompig appeared on 48 hours around March and came out with that accident/overdose theory. He stated that one does not die from an overdose in a few minutes. He said they go into a coma and it takes hours not minutes to die from it. Time to go get help at an emergency room. So one would have to bury them alive, kill them or wait until they died, all which are not accidental.
This Devries guy is for real-He has done more for Beth in a week than JQK has in nine months.I heard [and it came pretty straight]Beth is really high on this guy.I was also told that what was reported last night on Gretta fence riding Vansesterin was only part of what Deveries had discovered.Could it be that we are getting close? I hope so.
Could the walls be closing in on the guilty?I think it is very possible.Sorry justice,JQK just doesn’t cut it and is very overated.IMO.And overpaid!!!!!Beth will not stop until she is satisfied justice has been served.Beth is a model of a mom.She has lost her loved one.She deserves justice.She deserves communication from Karen Jansen.
You have proof of ATM withdrawls(plural) in the early morning hours? You say “we have ATM withdrawls..” – show the proof.
No one thinks it’s strange we haven’t seen the 6/10 confession statement, nothing said about the confession on this guys program either. He confessed, right? No one is saying this statement is lost. FBI has said many things about this case, according to some here, yet they say nothing about a confession. Why – cause it didn’t happen.
Their lies are so stupid and obvious that no one believes them.
paulos claimed that Natalee sent him a letter explaining her disappearance.
joran has his pic. faxtographed with Natalee’s.
The 2 ugly kalpoes are hiding like a couple of rats.
fatso dennis jacobs joins in on the lies. He even questions the majority of the people involved, and then paulos claimed that he was going to give fatso a portion of the money that the Aruban gov. gave him because they arrested him. Do I smell a payoff???
joran and his friends are just about the ugliest guys on the planet. I asked my daughter and her friends to tell me which ones they thought were good looking. They said none of them. They all look like bar flies with a lot of mileage at their young ages. Soiled goods my friends. And they aren’t getting any better. If they were innocent, they would have proven their whereabouts. They wouldn’t have different stories. They would be assisting in solving this case. But no, all of them are hiding under their mommy’s skirts. Or in paulos’ case, under anita’s see thru blouse. Someone somewhere in good standing in the community of Aruba would be standing up for them. And no one is. Not any neighbors, church people, no one, no where, no way. You know why?? Everyone knows their guilty as hell!!!
Joe can’t even keep his or his client’s story straight.
Many of us would like to know where Joe Tacopina gets his information from and how he compares it to statements that have come from his client’s mouth. Joe Tacopina has gone on TV stating that Natalee Holloway was falling over drunk, yet his client has not stated that in interviews. In fact, Joran Van der Sloot states just the opposite.
VAN DER SLOOT: Oh. she’d been drinking, but she wasn’t drunk. I mean, she knew what she was doing.
It is Deepak Kalpoe that states Natalee was drunk.
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2006/03/20/diario-editorial-an-element-called-tacopina/
TACOPINA: Yes. Well I mean that is-I mean, look, if that’s-we’re going down that road of speculation, which I am so loathe to do in this case, Dan, because that’s what we’ve had for 11 months, but let’s go down it for a second based on that question, your hypothetical. I mean if this guy is part of a beach patrol, which we know he was because his father was the security outfit that was in charge of the-what they call the high visibility team, that’s the beach patrol-if that’s in fact the case and he worked for them, well Joran leaving Natalee at the beach at 2:30, according to his cell phone records, the call to Deepak was around 2:40, AND HE’S ON HIS COMPUTER AT HOME AT 3:10, so we know that there’s a very limited time window there.
TACOPINA: Well I’m going on my-the reports I have that have witness statements putting this kid in that casino with Natalee. Look, I can only go on what the witnesses have said, Dan, who were there and what I will tell you is that the Holloway family has put out that they believe this is the young Dutch, blonde haired, blue eyed boy who Natalee was smitten with prior to meeting Joran.( BIG FAT LIE)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12370964/
Joran said he logged into the computer at 3:30 not 3:10.
GRETA INTERVIEW
March 1, 2006
VAN SUSTEREN: All right, well let me jump ahead. What time did you get home so we have this time frame?
VAN DER SLOOT: It was 3:35 I think or 3:25 and .
March 3, 2006
VAN SUSTEREN: So what – you got home about 3:30, is that right? Is that what you told me, 3:30 you got home?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, something like that. I got home a little earlier, but that’s when the message that you logged onto your computer, you know, and you went on your e-mail and you went to the Web sites you went to, and yes, that’s when all that is registered.
David Koch says Deepak took a call from Joran at 2:40 and 3:00 and Joran was near the Marriot. No way he could he have gotten a ride or walked home and been home on the pc at 3:10 like Joe T said.
August 24, 2005 Greta
GRETA VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So your client, 2 o’clock to 3 o’clock, is on the Internet at home. I’ve been in his room. I’ve seen the computer, or at least where it was. And he gets phone calls at 2:40 and 3 a.m. from Joran. Where do the cell records place the phone that Joran is using at 2:40 and 3 o’clock in the morning?
DAVID KOCK, SATISH KALPOE’S ATTORNEY:: Well, there’s not an exact pinpoint indication, but the general area is the area here in north in Palm Beach of the hotel.
VAN SUSTEREN: So it looks like he’s not home at that hour, but someplace near the Marriott, is that right?
KOCK: That is correct. He is in this neighborhood.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,166635,00.html
Joe claims to have taken Joran’s case Pro-bono, then went on to say he was being paid and O’Reilly called him on it.
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2006/03/14/joe-tacopina-meets-the-no-spin-zone-and-crumbles/
Hello Greta;I to have followed this case from day one i to believe that the three suspicks are the ones who did it i don’t understand why you beleive that mouron Vandur Sloot is inocent please stay on this story to the end whatever that may be we need to get justice for Natalie and her family Beth has shown great courage through out this ordeal we owe it to the family to keep this story in the spotlight please keep Joe T off the program he only ads fuel to the fire.Sincely Mary H California
I think we all know Joe the Taco is an ambulance chaser only in a higher capacity. He speaks out of both sides of his mouth depending upon whether he’s defending a murderer or trying to find justice for the family of a murder victim. No moral values does this leech possess. It’s all about the money for this high priced piece of trash.
I’m still waiting for him to setup his daughter with the raping murdering Joran VanDerSloot.
How about it Joe, wanna send your daughter to a weekend in Aruba with a sociopath?
Is our favorite troll finding it’s way back into the fold?
Yea! IndyDan you got it in #100.
Let’s see some pics of Joe the Taco man’s daughter and/or niece with the 3 uglies. Smooching. Then leaving C & C’s together drinking.
Oh, wait a minute! Isn’t joran hiding in his home in Holland behind the blinds? And where or where are his two “Rat Brother” friends? Or any of his friends for that matter?
#85 Mac
Who said they didn’t find any evidence in Joran’s apartment? Keep in mind…a lot of evidence…including Natalee has just ‘disappeared’.
Somehow, they collected enough evidence to declare the case a murder and charge several people with various charges including ‘Heavy Battery’. How can you charge ‘Heavy Battery’ without any evidence???
The evidence, and Natalee’s body were found. Don’t fool yourself that it wasn’t. md
THE CONFESSION:
June 11, 2005
http://tinyurl.com/ydv83g
“CNN has learned a suspect has confessed to killing Natalee Holloway.
NGUYEN: Up first this hour, CNN has learned that one of three suspects in the Natalee Holloway disappearance has confessed to killing her.
KARL PENHAUL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It would seem so, Betty, although police at this stage are playing their cards very close to their chest because of the extreme sensitivity of this case for the island. But shortly before midnight, a senior police officer told CNN that one of the three suspects detained on Thursday had made a confession to the killing of Natalee Holloway. He didn’t say which of the three suspects had made that confession.
____________________________________________
In case you missed that one ….there’s this one:
____________________________________________
http://tinyurl.com/yg4kvw
So let’s go straight to Palm Beach, Aruba, where CNN’s Karl Penhaul has the latest. Karl?
KARL PENHAUL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Betty, a senior police official told us before midnight that one of three young men arrested Thursday HAD MADE A CONFESSION DURING INTERROGATIONS to the KILLING of Natalee Holloway. There were no further details from that senior police official.
Police are playing, at this stage, cards very close to their chest. But, of course, the three men that were arrested on Thursday were the three men last seen in Natalee Holloway’s company in the wee small hours of May the 30th, the day that Natalee Holloway disappeared.
Those three men were interviewed shortly after Natalee’s disappearance, interviewed, not arrested. At that stage, they told police that they had dropped Natalee Holloway back off at the Holiday Inn. Then we had further investigations, and those arrests took place Thursday.
And it seems then, since then, the three men had been interviewed separately, interrogated separately, and that has led to this confession.
So much for “it never happened”.
Not only did it HAPPEN, but it seems to have HAPPENED MULTIPLE TIMES, IN MULTIPLE MEDIA REPORTS, KIND OF LIKE AT LEAST 20X BEFORE, … REPORTED…. BEFORE…IT WAS THEN “RETRACTED” AND MADE TO “DISAPPEAR”…ALONG WITH THOSE MAY 30, MAY 31 STATEMENTS OF JORAN’S AND DEEPAK’S THAT WERE MADE IN NOORD…WHICH ALSO SEEMED TO…DISAPPEAR.
Ayfit,
I agree that De Vries is amazing!
But the one who really let Beth down was Karin Janssen.
Janssen was supposed to be fighting for Natalee!
Not only was Karin inept, she might have been part of the coverup.
Karin’s career will end in disgrace.
FOX NEWS TRANSCRIPT (verbatim) – November 28, 2006 – hosted by Martha MacCallum
MARTHA’S GUESTS WERE:
1. Peter De Vries by phone in the Netherlands
2. Beth Holloway Twitty by phone in Alabama
3. Joe Tacopina on video conference in Rome, Italy
MARTHA: …could this be used against Joran Van Der Sloot at this point? From Aruba, on the phone is Peter De Vries, who is a Dutch crime reporter, who broke this story. Peter, good to have you with us today.
PETER: Hello, Martha, but I am not at Aruba…I am in Holland.
MARTHA: ALRIGHT, WELL GOOD TO HAVE YOU FROM HOLLAND! THANK YOU VERY MUCH for being with us. Let me ask you this question, and I have gone through some of what you said about this already. But explain to our viewers exactly what you understand Joran’s lawyer told to Karin Janssen, the prosecutor.
PETER: Yeah, what I found out is that the lawyer of Joran, Mr. Carlo, made an appointment with head prosecutor, Karin Janssen. And he said he wanted to talk with her, and then she said, no, I cannot do that…that is highly unusual. We can’t talk during an investigation. But then he said, yeah, well, I have to talk to you…please. And, well, ok, then she admitted; and she said ok, you can come to my office.
And then the two had a talk, and Mr. Carlo said, yeah, I have to clear my conscience. I can tell you that, MY CLIENT JORAN HAS PLAYED A MAJOR ROLE IN THE DISAPPEARANCE OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY.
And I want you to know that, and, of course, it is up to you to deliver the full proof for that. But I can tell you that…that…he is playing a major role in this.
MARTHA: Right. And your reporting says that happened in June, just a month after she disappeared…is that correct?
PETER: Yeah, it was shortly after the arrest of Joran.
MARTHA: Alright, tell me what you think he meant by: “played a major part?” Was there any elaboration on that, because I know you confronted him about this meeting.
PETER: Yeah, what I know, is that at least, Karin Janssen, the head prosecutor…understood this as, that he has GUILT ON THE DISAPPEARANCE OF NATALEE…that he has something to do with it.
SO THERE IS NO MISUNDERSTANDING ABOUT THAT, because when they didn’t manage to solve this case, Karin Janssen, also, wrote Mr. Carlo a letter…a couple of months later. And she said, can we please have a new talk about this? Can you please give some more details?
But then Mr. Carlo got scared, because he thought…that is what he understood…that it was a secret meeting…that she could talk. But when the head prosecutor was writing it…I mean a letter…it was no longer a secret.
MARTHA: Right…right…that made him nervous to think that about putting this down on paper. Peter De Vries, thank you so much for talking with us today. We want to bring in now, on the phone, from Alabama…is Natalee’s Mom, Beth Holloway Twitty. Beth, welcome to you.
TRANSCRIPT Part 2 – Beth Holloway Twitty:
MARTHA: Beth, welcome to you.
BETH: Hi.
MARTHA: Tell me what you think about this.
BETH: Well, I’ll tell you, I think Peter De Vries is absolutely amazing! I always knew someone from the Netherlands could help solve this, and he has just been able to get in there…and to get this CONFIRMATION THAT WE HAVE KNOWN ALL ALONG…that there were persons, who were responsible for OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE, and protecting (not sure) , and derailing the investigation. He has given us that information.
MARTHA: You know, of course, lawyers for the otherside, and we are going to talk to Joe Tacopina in a moment; but they are going to say that there is no evidence…you know, to support this. And the fact that he wouldn’t go back and write all this information down…documented…discredits what he is saying.
What do you think about that, Beth?
BETH: Well, I think they will always have to look at there were two personnel involved from the Aruban Justice Department, and that is why we don’t have any evidence…and that is what Joran’s attorney will have to be reminded of.
IT IS BECAUSE OF BOB WITT AND BEN KING STOPPED THE SEARCH WARRANT. It was made INITIALLY TO SEARCH THE ENTIRE AREA OF MONTANA (sp?) 19, THE GARDEN, THE BUILDINGS, AND EVERYTHING.
MARTHA: Right.
BETH: But on the spot, high ranking employee of the JUSTICE OFFICE, BOB WITT, reduced the search warrant to only the room of Joran, so THAT IS WHY WE DON’T HAVE ANY EVIDENCE…BECAUSE OF INVOLVEMENT from OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE from the ARUBAN JUSTICE DEPARTMENT PERSONNEL.
MARTHA: Beth, what do you think about the fact that he panicked? He says that his lawyer panicked when he went and said to him, this is the information I have. What does that say to you about CORRUPTION…we have heard so much about corruption in this situation?
BETH: Well, I think it just speaks very highly THERE WAS ALOT OF COLLUSION INVOLVED from “conflicts of interests”…that might be another way of putting it…a milder form of corruption. But, you know, it certainly…certainly was…there were many red flags that were going on, as far as collusion from personnel within the Aruban Justice Department with the father and Antonio Carlo. We can’t deny that. NOW, we have names and faces of these persons.
MARTHA: Alright, Beth…just very quickly…in five seconds, you know, ten seconds, can you tell me you have often said that there is information that you have that you could never put out there. Did you know any of this? Did you know about this conversation between this lawyer…can you substantiate that…and the prosecutor?
BETH: Well, we always knew, I guess that there were…it is like if we would take one step forward, but then, we knew that there were persons in front of us moving; but, you know, we could not get any vindication or information that this was actually…who these persons were, who were actually doing this. And so NOW…
MARTHA: Alright…
BETH: BUT like I said, we have these things…we knew this was going on…this undercurrent to the investigation, but we just couldn’t get the names and faces, AND NOW WE FINALLY HAVE THEM.
MARTHA: Alright, Beth Holloway Twitty, thank you very much. It is always good to have with us.
BETH: THANK YOU!
MARTHA: Alright, Joe Tacopina is Joran Van Der Sloot’s American attorney, and he joins me now from Rome, Italy.
TRANSCRIPT – Part Three: Joe Tacopina
MARTHA: Joe, what do you make of these revelations from this reporter in the Netherlands?
JOE: What I make of it, Martha, is another individual trying to cash in on this tragedy. This guy is a materialist…he is a capitalist…he is someone who is making money off of a false story.
I spoke to Antonio Carlo, the former lawyer for Joran. He made no such statement to the prosecutor, and let me tell you this. I have looked through ever single document in this case: every police report, every prosecutor’s note. There is no such document that supports any such claim.
And when you couple that with the fact that this individual didn’t even have the wherewithal to document these very important conversations, Martha, at the time they were going on, and did not report that to law enforcement…I mean, it shows you his true motive. He is trying to make his splash…he is trying to make…he’s got himself all over the news, which is what people have done repeatedly in the case.
This is another one of these tragic incidences in THE HOLLOWAY-VAN DER SLOOT INVESTIGATION, where you have people coming up with false stories. You have heard about this DR. PHIL tape, that turned out to be a “doctored” tape, where Deepak Kalpoe was publically confessing.
MARTHA: Right.
JOE: Beth Holloway did the same thing with that. She got on the air, and said, finally we knew there was a confession. That turned out to be false. You have heard about “false confessions” while they were in jail…that they all admitted to the crime. That turned out to be false.
This is another incidence, where it is just an act of desperation on Miss Holloway’s part. We understand her desire to get this case resolved, but I think if she would do what Greta Van Susteren is doing, and the prosecutors, for that matter, which is taking a broader look at this case…looking at other areas, other leads…they have looked at Joran Van Der Sloot up and down.
He is not involved in Natalee’s disappearance…
MARTHA: SHOULD…
JOE: The prosecutors have all but dropped their case against him. The lawsuit that Miss Holloway (This is what he is calling Beth Holloway Twitty.)filed against our client has been dismissed in New York courts.
MARTHA: Right, there was no grounds for it in New York according to that judge, but just to go back for one minute to Joran Van Der Sloot’s household…this question of how much of an area they could search.
According to this reporter, Mr. De Vries, he says that the search warrant would have allowed to search the entire property, but when they got there, they were told by a JUSTICE DEPARTMENT OFFICIAL, WHO ANSWERED THE DOOR, that they would only be allowed to search Joran’s house.
What do you know about that…Joran’s room, excuse me?
JOE: (pause) Right, well, Joran’s room…is separate quarters from the rest of the house, and the judge specifically ordered that his living quarters be searched.
Eh…so I am sorry if people are upset, that the police have to comply with the court’s orders, but that was what they were asked to do, that was what the court gave them permission to do; and that is what they did. They turned his room…his apartment upside down.
As far as being in the house…I mean, look, they had at it (not sure )with the Van Der Sloots. They had Joran in jail for three months. They had Mr. Van Der Sloot in jail for many days…weeks, and there is nothing that came out of this.
They did a search. I mean they have turned Aruba upside down. Every grain of sand has been moved, so lets not pretend that they missed the evidence…that they missed the body of Natalee in the Van Der Sloot household. Many people have been in and out of that household over the last year and ahalf.
MARTHA: Alright, Joe Tacopina, thank you very much…good to have you with us this afternoon.
JOE: Thanks, Martha.
(THANK YOU FOX NEWS AND MARTHA MACCALLUM FOR SUCH AN INDEPTH SEGMENT ON NATALEE HOLLOWAY!)
Minnesota Dad, If they did find all that evidence at Joran’s why wouldn’t Paulus let them search his house?
SPIN TACO JOE SPIN
taco joe lies again. there’s at least one per paragraph. when he’s not lying, he’s misdirecting. what a waste of human flesh.
dennisintn
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#l09, i forgot to add. for the refugees who regularly threaten posters about reporting our posts to the proper authorities, and adding our posts to the archives, don’t forget this one. have fun, and see you in court. in your dreams.
dennisintn
I’m so disgusted with the investigation or should I say lack of investigation out of Aruba. I’ve been following SM from almost the beginning. Hooray for Peter Devries taking this case seriously. I found out more info these past few days regarding what I already suspected…corruption/derailing of an investigation…then I’ve heard from the U.S. MSM these past 18 months. Shame on you Greta, you’re not an investigative reporter, you’re reporting is just fluff and nothing more and at the expense of the VICTIM..yes that victim in case you forgot is NATALEE HOLLOWAY! You totally underestimate the viewers out there. The silent majority who don’t blog aren’t buying what you’re putting on the air either. Looking forward to hopefully another installment out of Holland. I pray this leads to a resolution. The Holloways/Twittys are ENTITLED to it…Natalee Holloway DESERVES it. God Bless her.
Just like I said. Gutless Greta van der Straaten had on Joe T tonight. Same jibberish as before. Why is Greta putting this clown on???? If the Van der Sloots or Kalpoes want time on american TV let them call in. ontherecord@foxnews.com I’ve already let gutless know how i feel about her bringing this clown on air. Like I said before. If the suspects want there voices heard. Call in. I’m positive Fox will pickup the charges. Otherwise i see no need for Gutless to give them free air time
Why is JoeT even speaking for Joran now? He was only his lawyer for the NY civil suit. He’s not even licensed to practice in Aruba or Holland. The civil suit wasn’t thrown out due to the merits of the case, but due to jurisdiction. Please tell me how a judge in NY thinks anyone could take it to Aruba and get a fair trial other than the ones they’ve been covering for all along.
Its all rhetoric Joe, all rhetoric!!
And Joe, talk about someone making money off a false story!! That’s you babe! By the way, who’s paying for your trip to Rome? Is it the vandersloots????
I think anita had a good idea. Hang him! Thats it! Then we’re done!
Well Greta just LOST another viewer. Her antipathy towards Beth is disgusting. I hope everyone sends her an e-mail to let her know why her ratings will be falling. I’m beginning to think that she is the Sloot’s new attorney.
You know what get’s us, Aruba gets mentioned as if we are the culprits in this case. Wake up, it has always been the same group of friends of Paul Van Der Sloot that are protecting his son to whatever he did to Natalee Holloway! I trully hope that now that a “macamba” in the name of Peter De Vries has brought a light to the highest levels of Dutch Government to step in and help the Arubian Government ta clean up what has been a coverup of Dutch officials on the island of Aruba. It has been Karen Jansen, Bob Witt and Jan Van Der Straaten who are culpable for this coverup.
Justice for Natalee! Stop asking Aruba to step in, Dutch Government must clean up their act and stop sending culprits in these high positions on the island.
Pearl – so you’re citing a CNN reporter, who was just waiting to get his hands on a scoop, as the source? Every hear of the Sago Mine disaster?
“About 11:50 p.m. on January 3, news services including the Associated Press and Reuters reported that 12 of the 13 miners had survived, attributing the reports of survivors to the family members…Asked by reporters why the company allowed rumors to circulate for several hours, Hatfield said officials had been trying to clarify and verify information before putting family members on an even worse emotional rollercoaster. However, Fox correspondent Bill Hemmer said he was “ashamed” of how the media repeatedly reported the existence of survivors even as reporters and producers themselves were growing to understand that, in his words, “something didn’t add up.”wikp.
#107 Mac
Read my earlier posts. The pimps did the stuff that would get you 2-10 years in prison. When they realized how serious the situation was they called in Paulus. The girl was brought over to Paulus place where Paulus then had to come up with a way to assure that there would be ‘no body=no crime’. Additional evidence (the blood soaked mattress) was found…and discarded.
A search of Paulus’ home would have turned up additional evidence showing more serious stuff that would get you 15 years in a Dutch prison. It wasn’t Paulus that denied the search….it was his buddies in law enforcement and the judiciary that made sure his butt was covered by not allowing the search….even while Paulus was in the pokey as a suspect in the case!!!
Mac, I have followed this case from day one and called it a MAJOR Cover-up the day the two black guys were arrested. It became pretty clear that Aruba was attempting the old end run — arrest a couple of black guys….let them sit in prison for six months while evidence is gathered…then release them stating you have no evidence and the case is cold. Unfortunately for Aruba’s plans…Beth hit the island and made them accountable — they had to release the black guys because she caught Joran in his first lie (The HI drop off).
The ultimate crime took place in Paulus’ home, on the mattress, and Paulus was the main perp. All of the crap that has taken place since then has been done to insulate and protect Paulus from his crime. md
#ll8, what does this have to do with aruba?
dennisintn
I agree,, Natalee’s body was found soon after the confession and a whole lot of evidence was found too.
It is a hoot watching the murdering, raping, serial lying psychopathic Van der Sloots backpeddle like the DICKENS.
( Charles – I am in the Christmas spirit! )
…and it is also fun to see that undulating, lying sack of yak droppings… Joe “I lied – and dat is de truth” Taco-Payner hustle for all he is worth to keep the Van der Rapes afloat!
You are beginning to reap what you have sown, Paulus!!!
YES…
You are a mean one, Mister Grinch! Your brain is crafted of swiss cheese, and your heart is an absolute match! Your son keeps Satan on speed dial in his celly, & your wife is about as appealing as a triple decker toad stool Ssssssandwichhhhhh.
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http://tinyurl.com/y3lkfk
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Kids… Buffalo Bob says let
this be a lesson to you all!
……….
Oh what a tangled web we weave…
When at first we practice to deceive!
……….
Repeat that again and again. Learn it, know it, live it.
If you tell the truth, you will never have to wind up
like the Van der Sloots! It takes far too much energy
and resources to lie & continue to do so. Just ask
Taco Joe, if anyone… he should know!!!
He’s made a career out of helping these
kinds of people. (imho)
Telling the truth is an absolute C-I-N-C-H.
…ain’t dat right, Paulus???
… goodnight, Mr. Grinch!
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JUSTICE 4 NATALEE HOLLOWAY!
http://tinyurl.com/vza9c
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Richard 64: I think that exactly…Paulus doesn’t want to hurt his son, etc. etc. His statement totally coincides with, “I would do anything to help my son.” Therefore, “I can’t say what all I know because it might hurt some people.” When the truth comes out, I think the whole island will be swimming with the sharks. There won’t be any “authorities or ministers” left.
molly (in Houston)
Maggie 113: The only reason I can think of that anyone would interview Joe Taco is for media hype. Let’s get things riled up and interview Ole Taco. He’s so full of hot air. Taco probably thinks that if he talks big and know-it-all about Joran that he can get more high rolling clients. Like, whose bankroll is he in Italy with? That’s not a cheap trip.
molly (in Houston)
MinnDad 79: Your post makes me feel shakey because I think you are absolutely right. Like I said, Paulus won’t tell because all of the “authorities and ministers” will be swimming with the sharks after the truth comes out. It will be the end of all of them and their tight circle will be forever broken. I hope that De Vries gets them all thrown in the pokey. Nail ‘em in the nuts. End their vile lifestyle.
molly (in Houston)
Not only did the FBI verify that there was a confession and one of the suspects was leading police to the body, they told the family this and based on the FBI’s word for it, the told Natalee’s grandmother that she was dead.
Yes, the FBI certainly verified that there was a confession and had Dave waiting on standby to go ID the body when it was strangely retracted. It is believed Jan van der Straaten was one of the first to start taking back the confession. He did this on Monday, soon as he could get Dompig out of office and himself insinuated back in his job from which he should have already retired.
So we watched along with the FBI in horror as the confession was taken back and a misinformation campaign claimed at the highest levels of Aruban officials.
What a shame and what corruption. They couldn’t have been more obvious. But rest assured, the FBI was told that there was a confession and based on their word, the Grandmother and also Natalee’s two little sisters and other family members were all told Natalee was dead. They thought nothing of lying to the FBI like that and did it all the time.
i’m disgusted that Greta had Joe T on tonight & shot a nasty email to her. what was the point….oh yeah to contradict what Jorass’s lawyer did as in discussing with Caren J. of Jurine’s role in Natalee’s disappearence.
That does it for me…..i cannot watch Greta again no matter who is on the show.
Well, Karin Janssen, didn’t you swear to some kind of oath to uphold the laws of Aruba and find justice for all victims??? Aren’t you supposed to defend the victims of crimes??? Aren’t you supposed to follow through and bring charges against rapists and murderers????? What are you waiting for??? This is the only way you can save yourself and your job!!! Is protecting paulos and joran really worth it???? And, would they ever protect you????
WE WANT JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY!!!!
Hi there – ATTN:
Can any of our fellow Monkeys
( this includes the silent ones )
Identify the face of this dead person
in the #38 ROCKS SITE – CALI LIGHTHOUSE
Arubay Video?
It is not easily seen when watching the vid at
regular speed. I made a still image from the video,
and Klaas
made some adjustments to
better see the face.
*
Do not view it – if seeing
a dead person upsets you. TY
-J4N-
…and here it is.
http://tinyurl.com/yb4gsc
Who Is?
-BOYCOTT ARUBA-
until all questions
are answered in full.
http://tinyurl.com/jb7h5
http://tinyurl.com/yym7y8
One thing Joe T. cannot deny, the last persons seen with Natalee. J2K, that is a fact. If he wants to go by just the facts. And he knows, just tries to spin the story away from Joran. It’s a shame we can’t use the old Nazi truth serum, would really get the answers. Wonder if Joe would be willing to go under the serum. This should make a Hell of movie.
87 (??) … Joran said “I knew her for one night.” We know what he means, and it’s a disgusting comment. It certainly reveals his mind and his concerns.
As for Tacopino, he’s saying pure crap. Nobody on Aruba has indicated that JvdS is practically cleared. Sounds to me like the tactics of desperation. It’s unfortunate, I think, that lawyers can spew all the lies they want to … but like pans made of Teflon, nothing sticks to them.
It’s time to get active. Now, it seems, the Dutch people are starting to take an interest. We and they can work together, pressuring both of our governments to demand justice for Natalee Holloway and her family … and justice for her assailants.
And as for PvdS saying he has information that he won’t release because it might hurt some people … someone might have made it clear that if he opens his mouth, he and his family won’t be around ten minutes later.
That certainly would be good for the world, but we can’t conceive that the van der Sloots are motivated by any sense of decency, or anything else but a sense of self-preservation. Let’s hope that they are stranded on the sinking ship as the other rats flee them, one by one.
Eat All You Want,
Joran Will Buy
Some More!
http://tinyurl.com/vp4a2
-Justice 4 Nat
Viet Vet,
I knew Natalee very well; she never had any appearance of a drug user. She did not take enough money with her to Aruba to buy cocaine.
To Viet Vet,
I’ve been called naive, but that’s my opinion as well. I haven’t thought of the money angle, but from what I’ve gathered, Natalee only took $400.00 and that isn’t going to go very far. Besides, she still had $50.00 left on 5/30/05. It makes no sense if Natalee died of a drug and alcohol overdose, why would they have hidden her body (believe me, I know that sounds very cold). Even if there were DNA in the form of semen, what would that prove. Joran could just say it was consensual sex. The only explanation is that there was evidence of some sort of traumatic event that showed beyond a shadow of a doubt, foul play. It had to be skeletal trauma. It could have been a gunshot. If Natalee had been run over with a car, even that could be explained. Her disappearance has to be because of severe trauma, of a skeletal nature. A gunshot is a good bet.
Your story about being told that Natalee’s body had been found, and then retracting the story is appalling It seems that a lot of things starting taking place on around June 10th. Of 05. The cover-up and conspiracy seems to have it’s birth on or about that date, with the delivery of one huge, bald, and ugly baby.
Maybe we could all pitch in and buy Karin Janssen a phone card and she could return calls to Beth Twitty.
Come Aruba prove us all wrong and get some compassion and call Beth… after all her daughter “just vanished” on your island.
Why did Pauless withdraw money?
Down with these low lifes that think that they can drug an american female tourist and have there way with her and dispose of her like a piece of furniture. This has been the highest priced piece of ass they have had to pay for. There so stupid to think we would believe there desperation. They had other options they could have looked out for her well being and safety. But no they gang raped her and then disposed of her. There is a price to pay for doing that to an american tourists you idiots. Dont you see what youve done. Payback is on the way. The whole island shouldnt suffer for a handful of perverts. They should storm the van dersloot house and kick all of there as{{edit}} for being so stupid. Eye for an eye if justice fails. Hopefully it wont. Cmon devries show us what they other failed to do. Time to pay the piper.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/11292006/news/nationalnews/guilt_trip_on_natalee_nationalnews_marsha_kranes.htm
interestinger and interestinger 8-|
Hey, Fellow Monkassus…
Check this one out!
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Thursday, June 23, 2005- On the Record
ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: So I spoke
with him (Joran) about these
things and just told him to stay
strong and to TELL THE TRUTH.
On June 24th 2005, at approximately 10.00 hours,
There we, the reporting officers, were informed the suspect J.A.P. van der SLOOT refused to go with us… that his mother and his lawyer had advised him on behalf of his father to NOT MAKE any more statements and to invoke his right to not make statements.
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Jorannnnnn, that was your momma at the door….
she said she and daddy love you…
and don’t forget to…
S.T.F.U.
Quick Links:
Joran ALE Statement 6/24/2005
http://tinyurl.com/yd3jt7
FOX – GRETA ON THE RECORD
Thursday, June 23, 2005
http://tinyurl.com/czdyw
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De Vries, are u looking at this????
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UN-BELIEVABLE!
Justice 4 Natalee
Ann Holloway
VAN SUSTEREN: When you meet with him, do you have a time limit?
ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: I have a time limit, yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: And who’s present?
ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: With somebody, some of the officers is there, or the guards. AND IF I TALK ABOUT THE CASE, I CAN LEAVE.
6/24/2005 JORAN ALE Statements
snip it – (full link above)
- that he wouldn’t come with us today because his mother would be visiting him at 14.00 hours that day
- that if he gets a visit from his mother he would discuss making another statement WITH HER.
- that only if his father, by way of his lawyer would say he should make a statement he would do so!!!!!!! ?????????
- that he was waiting for the statement of his father and after that make another statement.
Of this, we, the reporting officers, on our oath of office, have made this proces-verbaal, closed and signed in Oranjestad on June 24th 2005.
The reporting officers,
S.A. TROMP M.A.G. RAS
-J4N
Did Anita question what kind of girl would get in the car with Joran and friends?
Why Anita would Natalee have to worry about getting in the car with Joran and friends?
Now think about what you are implying here?
FOX GRETA/ANITA INTERVIEW 6/23/2005
-snip it-
ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: Including my son, yes. He should have been held. He should have been interrogated from the beginning on. What did you do? Where did you go? Is there anyone you have seen there? But they let the kids go. And he went on with his exams, and he was a normal teenager. He was under pressure. He knew that things were wrong, but — and the girl was missing. But he repeated, She will appear somewhere. And if she does, I’ll kick her butt in front of her mom because she brought all of us in trouble. That’s what he repeated several times.
VAN SUSTEREN: To you?
ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: To us. And in school, too. He spoke about this in school. He spoke about it with the teachers. Kids were a little bit — Joran, what did you do with the girl? And then a colleague came to me and said, Anita, please tell Joran not to speak too much about it or let not others speak to him about it. Just let him be quiet because you know how teenagers are.
karin jannsen is as guilty as the suspects. she is a known friend of the van der sweats. she should be investigated thouroughly!
Anita should ask herself these questions:
What kind of son kills his own dog?
What kind of mother doesn’t see that as a HUGE red flag?
What kind of son spends his teenaged days frequenting bars and casinos?
What kind of parents let him live his disgusting way of life?
What kind of son takes advantage of a sweet and intelligent young woman named NATALEE?
What kind of son gets himself involved in felonies?
The list goes on and on. There are a LOT of questions Anita should be asking
Paulus, Joran, and HERSELF!
And the BEST question for Anita to consider:
What kind of sicko son makes a photoshopped pic of himself with his victim?
Miss U,
Janssen doesn’t need a phone card. She needs integrity and a CONSCIENCE.
#l42, that slaps you right across the face, doesn’t it? who else do you know that considers their own son “a strange boy”.
dennisintn
Yeah, we know how teen-agers are. Especially in Aruba.
I’m interested in one element of what Joran’s lawyer reportedly said … that Joran was a prime mover in (what? Natalee’s death? Natalee’s murder?)
Nope … Natalee’s DISAPPEARANCE.
Which leaves another option open that isn’t being discussed.
But this isn’t the time to bring this up again. It’s hard to imagine anyone’s lawyer saying a statement like this and continuing to represent that person … but it’s impossible (for me) to imagine that deVries just made it up, as Tacopino says. (As if anyone is listening. Hey Tacopino, why not review all the OUTRIGHT LIES that Aruba has been telling since day one?)
But still … it’s up to all of us concerned people, Dutch, Americans and (some) Arubans alike, to raise our voices and demand answers. DeVries can’t do it alone.
Besides, it’s not a very bright statement to make, that Joran is one of the prime movers in this case …
It’s one of the few undisputed facts that he was one of the three people who drove Natalee away from C&Cs!
I agree Super Dave. Karin Jannsen is part of the problem. Once again. I need to ask. Why haven’t the suspects and there friends been prosecuted for obstruction? They lied as witnesses to hinder the case. They admitted they did. Is this not a law under the dutch system? Or does the prosecutor not want to do her job? Would anyone have any knowledge of this. Because if it is a law. It would show that Karin Jannsen isn’t doing her job. An obstruction conviction should be a slam dunk. Given what has transpired.
My question why would you worry that your son picked up a strange girl, don’t you trust your son?
Greta just sits there while Joe goes on and on covering his client and she does not even try to dispute what he is saying. This reflects poorly on her skills as a journalist/attorney/News anchor person….
Here’s why Gutless Greta is part of the problem. A quote from her site. “It’s deplorable the way this investigation has been handled(Bungled?)in Aruba.” What is she talking about. Bungled??? Bungled gives the impression that they made mistakes on accident. With no intent to screw up. But as Gutless knows by the info she has been given on the case. Covered up should be the appropriate word here. ontherecord@foxnews.com in case you guys haven’t seen my 3 other links to her. Feel free to e-mail the gutless spineless jellyfish better known as Greta Van der Straaten. She also mentions that they won’t follow the story unless there is some breaking news. Do you think just once the gutless jellyfish would have once just tried to piece all the lies together. Didn’t the Holloways and Twittys say to her a thousands times. Just connect the dots. You wonder why she wouldn’t. You wonder why she didn’t show certain things that happened that imply coverup.
I think Greta should recuse herself.
I just told Greta how I feel and hope others do the same.
Justice For Natalee…so true what kind of a teenage son drinks at casino’s and gambles with money he gets from who knows where …. Anita and Paulus should be ashamed of themselves for feeding this monster fuel for it’s demonic fire that rests in his soul!!!
When do Dave and Beth get to sue Aruba for it’s corruption?
I thank God Beth is speaking out against traveling on vacation to Aruba for ones own safety…Why would anyone want to go there… American’s have no rights in Aruba, that it’s government is corrupted.
Richard,
What do you think is the best way to support De Vries?
I have written to the political party that Robert linked a few days ago.
Fact:
Karl Penhaul, CNN REPORTER
“But shortly before midnight, a senior police officer told CNN that one of the three suspects detained on Thursday had made a confession to the killing of Natalee Holloway.”
CNN, June 11, 2005
Fact:
Karl Penhaul, CNN REPORTER
“Now, the prime minister of the island has said that he, so far, has not been informed of any confession. At the same time, he says that THOSE ABLE TO MAKE STATEMENTS ABOUT THIS ISSUE ARE THOSE DIRECTLY CARRYING OUT THE INVESTIGATIONS..”
CNN, June 11, 2005
Fact:
Karl Penhaul, CNN REPORTER
“…a senior police official told us before midnight that one of three young men arrested Thursday had made a confession DURING INTERROGATIONS to the killing of Natalee Holloway.”
CNN, June 11, 2005
Interesting how the same distortionists who assaulted Natalee Holloway’s honorable name and radiant reputation, by suggesting that she was somehow at fault for the kidnapping, gang rape and murder inflicted upon her, …
the same distortionists who assaulted Natalee Holloway by telling CNN reporters that Natalee had somehow “willingly left with” Joran, Deepak and Satish and that she somehow was “friends with Joran” – ….
the same distortionists who suggest that the pursuit of integrity and truth with honor is somehow DEAD in the media, as portrayed in assailing a CNN reporter for the statement of a CONFESSION made directly to him by a SENIOR POLIS OFFICIAL – …
the same distortionists are now trying to spin that Karl Penhaul somehow “got it wrong”, that he somehow got consumed with getting “the scoop”, and that the CONFESSION reported directly by a SENIOR POLICE OFFICIAL, and confirmed by Nelson Oduber that “THOSE ABLE TO MAKE STATEMENTS ABOUT THIS ISSUE ARE THOSE DIRECTLY CARRYING OUT THE INVESTIGATIONS..” – …and the fact that this same POLICE SENIOR OFFICIAL STATED THAT THIS CONFESSION TOOK PLACE DURING AN INTERROGATION FROM THIS “INVESTIGATION” – ..is now somehow…all false.
Yet, ALL those reporters who ALL HEARD THAT SAME SENIOR POLIS OFFICIAL MAKE THAT SAME STATEMENT ABOUT THAT CONFESSION BEFORE MIDNIGHT -AND THE FACT THAT IT TOOK PLACE DURING INTERROGATIONS ……THEY ALL REFUSED TO BACK DOWN FROM THEIR REPORTS.
WHY?
BECAUSE HONOR, INTEGRITY AND THE PURSUIT OF TRUTH IS NOT DEAD, AND JOURNALISTS WITH INTEGRITY DO INDEED EXIST, WHO CANNOT BE BOUGHT BY THE PRICE OF A CHILD’S TORMENT, TORTURE AND ABOMINABLE SUFFERING.
THERE ARE MEN AND WOMEN OF HONOR WHO INDEED VALUE TRUTH, INTEGRITY, AND HUMAN DECENCY.
THERE ARE MEN AND WOMEN OF HONOR WHO VALUE THE CRUSHED VOICE OF TRUTH FROM A CHILD TORTURED TO DEATH.
Interesting how the distortionists attempt to suggest that the CNN reporter is somehow at fault, while failing to address the fact that A SENIOR POLICE OFFICIAL MADE THIS STATEMENT ABOUT THE CONFESSION, and that it TOOK PLACE DURING INTERROGATIONS OF THE SUSPECTS, WHICH THE PRIME MINISTER, HIMSELF STATED AS BEING THE ONLY ONES – WHO COULD MAKE STATEMENTS ABOUT THESE ISSUES.
The fact that this CONFESSION did indeed take place DURING INTERROGATIONS would therefore confirm Nelson Oduber’s declaration that “ONLY THOSE INVOLVED IN THE INVESTIGATION” could address this ISSUE ABOUT THE CONFESSION.
And, THEY DID…THE SENIOR POLICE OFFICIAL INVOLVED IN THE INTERROGATIONS, TOLD THE PRESS ABOUT THE CONFESSION.
IN FACT, HE STATED THAT THE CONFESSION WAS MADE SHORTLY BEFORE MIDNIGHT.
Interesting though, how we now see CNN reporters being assaulted – even as Natalee was assaulted by those ALE officials who TOLD THE CNN REPORTERS THAT NATALEE…had somehow… “WILLINGLY LEFT WITH” JORAN, DEEPAK, AND SATISH, and that she was somehow “FRIENDS WITH JORAN.”
How interesting that the same distortions about Natalee where her truth was buried, is somehow now being cast upon the CNN REPORTERS who quoted direct from SENIOR POLIS OFFICIALS ABOUT THE “CONFESSION”…that we are now being told …”didn’t happen”.
Interesting how the same distortionists who told CNN reporters that Natalee had somehow “willingly left with” Joran – failed to tell the same CNN reporters that:
– Beth Twitty had directly told ALE officials that Natalee would NEVER leave “with” 3 strange men.
– Natalee was eye witnessed by numerous REAL FRIENDS, as not seeming like herselfas she exited C&C, and that in fact, she TOLD HER REAL FRIENDS, that she was going back to her HOTEL …THAT SHE WAS GOING BACK TO HER HOTEL WITH HER REAL FRIENDS, THE MOUNTAIN BROOK FRIENDS, THE ONES WHO LOVED HER AND REALLY CARED ABOUT HER. And yet, the ALE officials never told the CNN reporters that despite Natalee telling friends that she was returning to the hotel WITH MOUNTAIN BROOK FRIENDS – that somehow, she ended up being taken away in a car by 3 strange men…
– NATALEE, despite telling friends that she was going back to her hotel, NEVER GOT THERE, and that J2K had LIED to polis on May 31 when they claimed that they had “DROPPED HER OFF AT THE HOTEL” and that the polis were fully aware on May 31, that J2K were telling lies and that this could be proven through the surveillance tapes that Paulus suddenly claimed were “broken”, and that polis were fully aware as early as May 31 that Natalee had never been dropped off at the hotel as Joran, Deepak and Satish had claimed on May 31.
– that video surveillance proved that not only did J2K lie about “dropping her off at the hotel”, but that WITNESSES stated no such drop off ever happened and surveillance tapes proved this.
– that when Jan Van der Straaten was telling the press that Natalee could have gone “through another entrance”, that the truth is – he already knew that J2K had lied about “dropping her off at the holiday inn”, and that Straaten also knew that the “security guard” who J2K claimed had met Natalee “in the lobby” did not exist, and was a LIE that was totally made up by the 3 lieing suspects. In fact, Straaten knew – even as he was telling the press that Natalee could have “entered (the hotel)another way” …that the last 3 men who took her away in their car had ALL lied together about taking her back to the hotel, and that in fact, she never came back to the hotel at all – yet, Stratten continued to tell the press these outrageous distortions that she could have somehow “entered another way”.
– that the reason that the lawyers representing the innocent security guards (John and Jones) could NOT have access to ALL the files, was because the proof of all the collusion, lies, cover up going on was in the fact that J2K were the ones with the CONFLICTING, CONTRADICTING STATEMENTS, that Karen Janssen KNEW THIS, that Van der Straaten KNEW THIS, and that these lies were being WASHED FROM THE RECORDS so that the PROOF of JOHN and JONES innocence, and their wrongful arrest, along with the cover up and collusion of lies perpetrated by J2K could then be hidden from public scrutiny since – the fact that there were CONFLICTING and INCONSISTENT STATEMENTS BY J2K – was indeed PROOF – that John and Jones were BOTH INNOCENT, that they had been FRAMED AND SET UP BY RACIST LIARS, and that Joran, Deepak and Satish had all LIED AND WERE GUILTY OF THEIR HIDEOUS CONDUCT IN THE KIDNAPPING, RAPE AND MURDER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY.
And now, CNN reporters integrity is being called into question, and portrayed as just interested in “the scoop” just as Natalee’s good honor and impeccable reputation was assaulted and called into question by the men with no conscience and no honor who changed their filthy lies on a daily basis.
TRUTH is not hard to SEE, even as lies, corruption, collusion and lack of integrity from the bowels of the ditch is as plain as the spin on a yo-yo.
The wind may be invisible, yet it blows and is ever present. Because you claim you don’t SEE IT, does not mean that it is not there, even as the filthy lies and the REAL CONFESSION, cannot be covered up and erased by the dirty hands that removed those files and that CONFESSION from the records.
The wind has a power and a force of its own, and sometimes, it suddenly makes it’s presence very known and quite visible, as it plants itself in your face, embracing the tears, suffering and torment of a child so tormented and tortured that the shame of a nation is layed bare through her cries and in her truth that her kidnapping, gang rape and murder were sanctioned by a nation with no conscience and no honor.
The wind lays bare the filth of the ditch, and all the vile contamination that lies within it, as it folds the ditch with all its filth into the force of a wind that blasts its mighty presence across the earth through the power of a tornado…headed right to your doorstep, right into your face.
You know the wind is real when the tornado is in your face, even as you know the CONFESSION IS REAL, with the IN YOUR FACE DECLARATION MADE BY THE SENIOR POLIS OFFICIAL WHO GOT THAT CONFESSION DURING THE “INTERROGATIONS” OF THE 3 SUSPECTS ARRESTED ON JUNE 9th, the same SENIOR POLIS OFFICIAL WHO TOLD THE CNN REPORTERS AND ALL THE OTHER REPORTERS – THAT THIS CONFESSION WAS MADE DURING THE INTERROGATIONS OF THE SUSPECTS AND GIVEN SHORTLY BEFORE MIDNIGHT ON JUNE 10th.
The corruption of justice is as clear as the missing files, the judges with no honor, the lawyers with no conscience, the prosecutor who grants ten days for the benefit of killers while telling a trusting, grieving mother that this is all “tactical” to help find her baby while the truth is, it is “tactical” to help silence her baby’s truth!
The lies are as plain as the files that were thrown in the waste paper basket that ended up in the landfill that suddenly went on fire. The corruption is as clear as the judge who sailed into the home of the prime suspect, and without any conscience proceeded to live there,in the prime suspect’s house, while making rulings on the horrific violations of Natalee Holloway’s human rights at the hands of these cold, callous killers.
The corruption and deceit is as plain as the tossed evidence, the judge’s rulings to insure the prevention of the establishment of evidence, the transformations of blood into chocolate, and blouses into fishnet, human bones with flesh still gripping to them – into donkey bones, and corpses into “vanished” acts.
The truth is in your face with the tossed statements of the gardener, the eye witness at the landfill, the empty promises of a prime minister who thinks TRUTH can be twisted and spun into glib phrases about no one being “above” the law, while killers continue to roam the island of Aruba with all their liberties and freedoms, while the helpless tortured victim – Natalee Holloway is robbed of EVERYTHING, her life, her innocence, her hopes, her dreams, her future, and the LOVE of an amazing family.
And the cruelty inflicted upon this child and her family is now exposed for all the world to see as the chilling words of a man with no honor will forever define him as the cold, callous, devious coward that he is as he glibly spoke the words that will forever define his unscrupulous mentality and the level of cruelty and inhumanity he is capable of infliction upon an innocent child – with his heartless utterance: “No body, no case.”
This child’s truth will not be crushed!
This child’s voice will not be silenced!
This child’s truth must be honored,
her voice must be raised up and heard,
her truth must be spoken,
her justice must be granted without fear of the sanctity of her courageous, honorable TRUTH!
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY!
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY!
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY!
Pearl….Why can’t the senior officer from Aruba who told the CNN reporter, Karl Penhaul, on June 11th, 2005, that one of the suspects confessed to killing Natalee be intgerogated by the Dutch?
When can the FBI take over this case and squeeze the truth out of those liars? There is so much evidence that has been just ignored.
LOL Check out Deetch’s site.
Since I come here everyday. I see articles from the press and TV shows. That flat out show lies and deceit by the Aruban officials. If what is posted here is genuine. It leaves no doubt about the corruption that has taken place here. My question is. Why isn’t Beth’s lawyer in Holland with all of thses contridictions. Meeting with De Vreis and the Dutch Authorities. You have to strike when the irons hot. I don’t claim to truly know what’s going on. Or what Beth did during her last trip to Holland. But there’s an opportunity knocking. One must take it.
I still believe Natalee was the innocent victim of a warning to Joran to pay up or else. Whoever he owed’s “collector” is who gave him the black eye and took Natalee. All the locals know who that person is, but know if they tell, “suicides” will start happening all over the island. Paulus’ ATM withdraws were too late. I might change my mind if someone could answer these questions: 1) Was the “I do not know these people” phone call to Mountain Brook kid confirmed to be from NH? 2) Was Shango ever identified?
163….MEEE
You need to understand the mechanics of coverups carried out by the legal systems. Happens here in the US as in Aruba.
Attorneys and in this case, their judicial buddies, have a strategy of drawing things out as long as possible. Why, 1) they can cover each others stories, 2) they can cover their own mistakes by just making things go quiet for sixty or ninety days….with time, memories fade, 3) they tire out those who are involved seeking justice until they go away.
This case is unique in that the H/T’s have played the game pretty well. 1) Getting to the island quickly so that they could witness and document the cover-up as it took place, 2) Persistantly keeping themselves focused on justice in the case and minimizing emotion (actors in a cover-up will do some very bad things to try to demoralize their opponents and wear out their will to continue fighting — i.e. the Hitler letter, the warnings that they will quit investigating if Beth didn’t back off, etc.).
This is how members of the legal system play the game. In light of this, sending attorneys over to Holland and expending emotional and financial capital is a bad investment as the delays and BS would continue from Aruba.
The Boycott and repeated media notice (from National Enquirer to DeVries) will continue to take its toll on Aruba. Combined with the power of the Internet, the pressure being applied to CRIME Island is the most powerful tool that can be used. Money…or lack there of… is what will drive someone to finish this case up so that Aruba can move on and bring back tourists. Until that time….you will continue to see a long drawn out cover-up played by the system in Aruba.
The H/T must continue to apply consistent, non-emotional, pressure through media, the Internet, and the power of the US Boycott.
md
Meee, That is what I have been saying. JQK should be down there even if he is NOT Beth’s attorney. Opportunity is knocking and we MUST take advantage of it. Maybe they are down there? I sure hope so.
I believe Joran went to Paulus because he knew the person who took her would kill her and was afraid he would get charged for it because his DNA would be found on her. “No corpse, no case” was Paulus’ way of telling Joran that this person would not leave a trace. Ever find out who ransacked the cemetery and why?
Natalee was partying…it was her trip with friends to Aruba…so she drank got drunk the night before….
Reports of her “drinking all day & Night”…. she could not have been guzzling down drinks all day and night and be able to conduct herself in a normal way, like walking, talking, dancing…etc.
She probably walked around all day from 10am on with a drink “in her hand”… this might have been interpreted as a cool thing to do (recently, being of drinking age)…not drinking one drink after another non stop…
The casino film does not show her swaggering around the casino or tilted leaning up against anyone at the gambling table….
So I would not say she was in a “constant” drunk stuppor…Lets not go that far. So she got drunk one night so what!!
Now they want to add to the story line that she “probably was also snorting cocaine”…. Why speculate and say that when it is not a stated fact!!
Lets not continue to victimize the victim… Joran,Satish, Deepak, Paulus, friends of Pauls & Joran, you are the criminals the guilty ones who played “your roles” in killing Natalee, getting rid of her, and covering up evidence to this crime… You should be afraid of God…for vengeance is His…
Anyone know who Posner’s “collector” is?
“You should be afraid of God…for vengeance is His… ” Didn’t I read that VDS were Jewish? They have survived two Yom-Kippur’s since NH vanished. If they are true practicing Jews, wouldn’t the fact that they are not dead be interpreted as proof of forgiveness? I am not Jewish, so may be misunderstanding Yom-Kippur.
ONE WORD SAYS IT ALL.
ONE WORD TELLS US WHO KILLED NATALEE HOLLOWAY.
ONE WORD WITH TEN LETTERS, ONE FOR EVERY SINGLE DAY THAT BETH WAS MADE TO WAIT WHILE TRUSTING AND HOPING THAT THOSE MEN WHO TURNED OUT TO HAVE NO CONSCIENCE AND NO HONOR WOULD DO THE RIGHT THING AND GIVE HER, HER BABY BACK….
ONE WORD EXPLAINS IT ALL:
C O N F E S S I O N.
No need for Ringo, shingo, shango, mango.
DNA ONLY POINTS TO MURDER WHEN IT IS A MURDER.
IN THIS CASE, IT WAS A KIDNAPPING, DRUGGING, RAPE AND MURDER ALONG WITH SOME HEAVY BATTERY.
C O N F E S S I O N.
June 10, 2005 …. shortly before midnight.
C O N F E S S I O N…BY ONE OF THE SUSPECTS ARRESTED ON JUNE 9th, 2005 …AND MADE DURING HIS INTERROGATION AND SHORTLY BEFORE MIDNIGHT.
C O N F E S S I O N…
TO THE KILLING OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY.
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY!
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY!
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY!
Aruba, tic-toc-tic-toc
which one from the flock
will be caught between a rock
and get caught on De Vries clock?
Who was the big wig
that now is the stinkin pig?
Sue -eeeeeeeeeeeeee
MAMAGEE…. No it would not be proof of forgivness since the “maybe Jewish VDS” survived two Yom-Kippur’s…
Just like their phylosophy of “no body no crime” does not equate to “two Yom-Kippurs equal forgiveness”.
God’s timing is not yours or mine… in due season they will all pay for their crimes…They will all stand before Him some day….
To Minny Dad- I hear what you say. But I would like to see JQK, beth or both go over to Holland and hook up with Mr De Vries. And go see the Dutch Officials. And show them all the lies and deceits that they know of. This way there’s no mistakes. The Dutch have it right in front of there faces and will have to take some sort of action. Especially if Mr de Vries is there. Knowing he will do a show on there non help. Beth can also make a another appearence on his show. Mr De Vries has gotten the people of Hollands attention. You have to strike while the people are interested. And you have to use public sentiment to your advantage. Time for the Holloway camp to get some plane tickets for Holland.
mamagee, do you have something to say or are you just a troll like mac?
Vicki, No I am not a troll at all. I very much want Beth and Dave to get justice. It is just all so twisted that I have more answers than questions. I just have not been able to follow as closely and thoroughly.
Sorry, I meant more questions than answers.
Aruba,
GAME OVER!
Looking back on this the key in uncovering the “coverup” was that Holiday Inn tape showing Natalee not returning to her room. Thank god that was found early on.
On foxnews.com Greta has a new video on her front page from last nights phone interview with Joran’s laywer Joe Tacopina. About 20-25 seconds before the video ends, Joe Tacopina makes fun of Mr.DeVries accusations. Joe says sarcastically to Greta “Oh my God, I can’t sleep at night”. It is very disturbing when I listen to that part of the video. I hear someone laughing in the back ground during Joe’s “oh my God” remark. I don’t know if someone added that laugh sound to make fun of Mr.DeVries or if its Greta laughing along with Joe Tacopina. Did anyone else notice that?
JusticeforNatalee (159), I think the best way is to resume letter writing to our officials, etc., pointing out that the people of Holland are beginning to take some notice.
I also hope to write a letter to a new outlet and post it here, if the monitors will allow it. It would be to a group that might promote joint action in both countries.
My own view is that if the Dutch will put pressure on their own government, that might have an effect.
Particularly if we can get some vocal adherents for what seems to me to be the only sane thing to do:
BOYCOTT ARUBA.
Again, people either believe that there is a cover-up or they don’t. If they don’t (and how anyone can fail to believe in at least a partial cover-up is beyond me), then it’s clear that Aruba is so incompetent and so indifferent to crime and tourists (as opposed to dollars of tourists) that it would be sheer insanity to go there.
I agree there is a cover up. But am I the only one that thinks it is mob related? I just can’t get past the $1 million which remains up for grabs and nobody is grabbing it when soooo many (rock painters, polis, & all the people that have since fled) know the truth. Who is it that is soooo powerful to keep an entire island mum?
MinnDad… your post makes alot of sense and leads in well with 1906′s cremation idea. Ms Wever’s passing is too convenient. I don’t accept that Paulus would kill Natalee without having consulted his friends at justice and Posner if he was indeed laundering for him. I believe he would have sought some guidance and assurances iot not bury himself or Joran in any deeper. Hell, not to be too callous, they may have even sought medical attention so she may have even been alive the next day. So if Joran is bragging the next day of having sex with Natalee, little did he understand of the pending decision of Paulus and friends to murder her to hide what had been done. I won’t kill the talk with “why” I think they made that decision, have done enuff of that….And if all those lil pimpsters were indeed there that night, that’s another reason why Paulus doesn’t make the sole decision to do away with Natalee…too many people know… so it had to become a group decision of Aruba’s finest. All the “I will tell some day” I guess these are the people that Paulus refers to that would be hurt iffn he told. Good posts MD
Mamagee: How about the whole d*** island. They are all guilty in some way or another. To say cover-up is to minimize what these bastards have done. I’m sure many people would come forward down there but know in their hearts that they have nowhere to turn…iffn they tell it to the ALE, they’d end up like Dinesh, iffn they tell it to Aruban newspapers, (ALL OF THEM), they’d probably end up joining Ms Wever….With no reliable source to confirm reports and facts down there, iffn you wanna say the whole durn island is mafiaoso…I won’t argue with you.
Heh, heh, good picture by Deetch. Soon the sporter will be photo shopped onto all kinds of pictures.
What was that computer game of the 80′s? Where is Santiago, or some such?
We need to see a photo shop of the sporter behind bars!
My Gut tells me some people would like to go further than that.
Justice for Natalee.
164 Mamagee…. Why would you think that Natalee was used to pay Joran’s debt? Any one of those drug dealers could have abducted any women they wanted, walking around Aruba if that is what they wanted. They would not have to use Joran to find a woman for them.
Also, I think it was an accident her death….as much as you can call it an accident. I think it happened during the rape attacks on her. The choking with belt or her joking on her vomit. I don’t think they wanted their frolicking sick behavior to go that far…
Now they have dragged more people into their circle of sin that helped with the cover up.
Wasn’t it Paulus who said, “I will do anything to protect him (joran).”
Yep, lets hope we are not duped by tomorrows court appearance and that finally something happens to break the case wide open.
Justice for Natalee
184 Roy…I agree…those people have seen things happen to others that they never want to have happen to them. Their mouths are sealed… they want to keep their body parts! A million dollars cannot take away the fear of what would come once they talked!!
But…I think their is a big crack in their sewen shut case and that justice will prevail and soon…
Page: POST # 180. Yes I heard that laugh also. That was not added. That was Greta. Greta is just like Renfro in my book.
Wow. How did Ms. Wever die? I had a family tragedy of my own in May 05 and several since so I have only followed this case intermittently. I know there are many here who know the Holloway’s personally. Would one of you make a list (time line) of the suspicous “coincidences” (i.e. deaths, leaving the island, etc.)?
Sharon,
I was not saying she was used to pay his debt. Just maybe that she was in the wrong place when someone showed up to collect it and a fight insued causing something bad to happen to Natalee. Then he went and told Dad because he new it would get pinned on him because he was the last one with her and wouldn’t be able to give the name of the collector and live. Has Paulus explained the ATM withdrawals and I missed it?
Carpe:
My answer to your ? #139. I had to stand up and look at the screen from across the room. Looks like a guy with a big left ear and a left black eye. I’ll have to look at it again tonight with the lights off in my office. I know it sounds silly, but sometimes I can see your pics better that way.
Fantastic work as always Carpe!!
Thanks!!
Interesting what Joe T had to say in the St. Guillen case as the lawyer about false and misleading statements by the bar owners.
Certainly the family has hired a mediagenic attorney: Joseph Tacopina, who is also representing disgraced Post gossip columnist Jared Paul Stern.
But Tocapina insists Imette’s mom Maureen St. Guillen isn’t in it for the money, and says the family’s main aim was to “pursue legislative change, so that Imette doesn’t die in vain.”
“It’s our position that the owners [of the Falls] are certainly culpable,” Tacopina said, without naming names. “They hired somebody who has a felony record and PUT A PREDATOR IN THE MIX. Then they violated the law again when THEY DIDN’T COME CLEAN WITH THE POLICE, AND GAVE FALSE AND MISLEADING STATEMENTS,” Tacopina added, referring to Daniel Dorrian. ” THAT TO ME IS AN EVEN BIGGER OFFENSE.
http://www.villagevoice.com/blogs/powerplays/archives/002629.php
Also interesting what he said about the girl who had an affair with Christie Brinkley’s husband, she was a naà ¯ve 19 year old victim. There’s just so many things wrong with what this guy did. Not to mention that Christie and her husband are worth around 60 million. As if that didn’t play a part in it?! Him calling someone a capitalist is a joke. How many poor people does he defend? How many times does he try to get himself on the news to spin! Every chance he can.
She was a victim of this guy who preyed on her naivete, her immaturity, the fact that she’s 19,” said Bianchi’s lawyer, Joseph Tacopina.
“There’s just so many things wrong with what this guy did.”
Tacopina said Bianchi’s family retained him partly because she could be a witness in Brinkley’s and Cook’s expected “bitter” divorce over $60 million-plus in property – and also because of potential legal action that they may take against Cook for his conduct toward Bianchi.
“The issue here is what this guy has done to her. I think the harm will be irreparable,” Tacopina said.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,203933,00.html
I don’t remember the last time I watched Greta, I used to all the time, but bringing on 3 defense attorneys every night to spin a case, didn’t work for me. I certainly am not going to watch JoeT bullying Beth Twitty. Why hasn’t JoeT mentioned the photoshopped picture? JoeT is simply a bought and paid for DEFENSE attorney to spin things for a defendant, nothing more, nothing less. If Natalee was his child, it would be a whole different song and dance.
I will take Mr Devries over anything any Aruban authority has offered so far. They are all “in bed” with each other.
“I will take Mr Devries over anything any Aruban authority has offered so far.”
DITTO
“There’s just so many things wrong with what this guy did.”
Joe Tacopina, are you sure you’re not talking about JORAN?
#193 Maggie – I haven’t watched Greta since her interview with the boy rapist. She’s a shill looking for flash.
I feel really sorry the Beth Twitty HAS to go on her show at any opportunity to keep Natalee’s name alive.
Greta is borderline abusing the poor family for a ratings buzz. Beth is between a rock and a hard place when it comes to Greta, and Greta abuses that niche.
Mamagee, you appear to give some credence to possibilities that most people have ruled out. I have long thought that more of the “Pimps” were involved, and that Joran’s reputed half brother and major Ecstasy dealer Lorenzo van Rijn, possibly with some of his offshore connections, decided that Natalee would become their property. Maybe in just some sort of macho demonstration.
Two things are certain: the drug cartel would have no moral compunction about taking a girl they wanted, American or otherwise, if they were certain they could get away with it.
And they would know that their warning “Keep your mouth shut … or else” would be taken seriously.
As may be suggested by PvdS’s incessant sweating during that TV interview.
All this, of course, is only speculation. But it doesn’t seem necessarily wide of the mark to me.
Joe Tacopina also made all the
rounds on television shows telling
people how innocent Scott Peterson was.
Joe is hack! A dime store legal pimp
in an overpriced Italian suit!
I hear he likes Foxy Brown CD’s. He
said she’s got the ‘Ill Na Na’
Whatever that means?
FU Joe, you are filth. May you go
down with the S.S. VAN DER SLOOT.
IMHO You place a dollar amount on
your own integrity. It’s for sale
everday… and it is not pretty
to watch on national tv.
JUSTICE 4 NATALEE
Look, I think paulos was part of the kidnapping scheme the 3 dicks had going on against Natalee. He flew home early from Holland for it. His wife flew home a couple of days later. (This wouldn’t have happened if you were home Mom). Natalee and friends were leaving the day after paulos and joran were gambling at the same table. paulos and joran were gambling together to size up who they were going to kidnap. paulos needed joran (a younger guy comes across less threatening than an ugly old fart). Natalee is the smallest of the bunch. They both like small women. paulos was talking with Natalee. Why?? Why was Natalee plastered against her friend? She looked scared. (Anita is short, and was probably skinnier when she was younger). joran said they have done it 20 times before, (probably with his dad’s help). Didn’t his dad provide him with porno when he moved to Holland? What kind of father gives his 17/18 year old son (or any other age for that matter), porno? Go back and watch videos of paulos and anita interacting. She looks furious with him. The interview in their home with Beth, the day joran got released from jail. She is all over joran and has evil stares at paulos.
JUSTICE
FOR
NATALEE
http://tinyurl.com/gxknx
Hi Taz,
No that doesn’t sound strange! I look at them a few feet away, in a dark or dim light setting too. You get rid of screen glare, & you can get the most out of the
pics that way.
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Taco === Biggest Ambulance Chaser In The U.S.
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Taco Pursued Both St. Guillen and Bianchi
They DID NOT Initially Retain Him -
Also, Taco Was NOT The Attorney In The St. Guillen Murder
Case – He Went After Money From The Bar Owners
And The State of New York – He Preyed Upon Mrs. St. Guillen
While She Was In A Most Vulnerable State of Shock -
Even The Bianchi Tramp Did Not Even Want To Discuss
The Case With Taco In His Office – Bianchi Requested That
Another Attorney In The Office (of course that leaves
RoseMarie the Pittbull) work with her because Taco
was asking out of the ordinary personal questions -
One more thing – Foxy Brown Fired Taco Due To Taco’s
Mouth Running Overtime With The Media – Spreading
False Rumors That She Was Deaf -
This was on Greta’s blog, the person “forgot” to sign it.
E-mail No. 3 — This next viewer forgot to put his/her name on the e-mail:
[As] usual you spineless gutless coward you put on Taco Joe. How stupid of a bimbo are you? I think you stupidity knows no bounds? If the Van der Sloots or Kalpoes want air time on American TV, let them call in. I’m sure the bozos you work for will pickup the charges. Otherwise they get no airtime
#132 Please explain to me why a pereson is guilty of a crime when they are “the last person to be with” Natalee?
#166
**Note To(kel)mac:
I Would Take Red’s Word Over Mine When It Comes
To JQK – Or Anything About The Natalee Case For
That Matter –
I Understand That Red Knows More Than He Can Reveal !
Skyboxx 185: “Where in the World is Carmen Santiago?”
It was a cool show and also a game.
molly (in Houston)
Maggie 202: Thanks for posting that Greta email. I read it today also. I was going to suggest that when people write emails or letters in support of Natalee that they should proofread and spellcheck. Errors in the email/letter greatly reduce the writer’s credibility.
molly (in Houston)
MinnDad… your post makes alot of sense and leads in well with 1906′s cremation idea. Ms Wever’s passing is too convenient.
To Roy,
Anytime you mention the Wever Lady, I’m interested. I feel that there is a direct connection. When 1906 and I got to digging into and speculating about this lady, the trolls came out and stomped our heads.
Best I can tell, she was a Wever by marriage, and evidently there was a divorce. I would love to be able to find a cause of death for this young lady (early 40 s), and know what she did for a living.
Some of the thoughts I have had are that she may have been some kind of receptionist at a hotel or maybe a hostess. It appears from what I can gather, that she lived alone. Her phone was listed under her name, and there is no mention of a Mr. Wever. Evidently she lived in an apartment near the police station and within the area of the predator profiling map triangle.
I’ m just wondering if maybe she saw too much. How the Weavers tie in is a mystery, other than their connection to the funeral business and access to a cremation furnace, and the fact that the Wever Kid was a card dealer, or what ever they call him.
You look at her picture in the obituaries, and you will see the face of a kind and considerate person, a face wrinkled slightly by stress (possible from the job, possible because of finances, possible because of present and past relationships). My gut feeling says this is a lady that could not live with knowing information of a missing teenager from the states or anywhere and not telling the authorities—possible the cause of her death.
Reminder:
Kalpukes In Court Tomorrow
Let’s Hope The Judge Shows Up !
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klaas – why is SM not listed as a reference here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalee_Holloway
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SM: Good question. I think someone keeps editing it out. Anyone can add and delete from Wikipedia. By the way, rumor is Joran’s attorney Carlo will be asking for Joran to be released as a suspect tomorrow as well. (klaasend)
Carpe!! Carpe!!
It was #129 not #139. Sorry.
I took a good look at pic. with lights off in my office. Was I way off!! The face is sideways. Lying on its right side. Its a man. His right eye looks severely damaged. Is it Posner?
Who is Jon? #203. Is he for real?
Your answer is: Its all in the airspace between your ears!
TAZ 210:
oy! Can you believe it? Give us a large break.
Lately, in the US, there have been several crimes solved, and quickly I might add, by looking at the last person seen with the victim.
molly (in Houston)
#38, #39 it’s all in plainview
Tacopino makes a reference to the Dr. Phil tapes, saying flatly that they were altered. So far as I know, that was denied and the denial remains in effect.
The amount of litigation going on in the country today is absurd, but I wish that Dr. Phil’s show would consider suing Tacopino for slander, if only to demonstrate that, in fact, they did not alter the tapes.
Well 203..Jon, the first step in a real investigation is get the truth out of the last person seen with the missing person, Natalee, the same one refered to as no body no crime. Seems Joran was last seen with Natalee and has repeated lie after lie. He needs to be brought in for more questioning from a legitimate police department. ALE is a joke, and the joke is on Aruba now. They are slowly being choked of their tourist income. No justice, no Aruba.
212. You said it.
Deepak what kind of ants were in your car?
How much money did Pauless withdraw?
Deepak why the statements about the sporter shoes?
Bearing false witness Steve?
Why should someone worry about getting into a car with Joran?
Sanders will you really do anything for Joran?
” your father, unbelievable”
How did Pauless know there was a BODY AND A CRIME?
Can Beth sue Dompig for the OD statement?
Can Beth sue for the Hitler statment?
Can Beth and Jug sue for the statements from Ms. Renfro?
Carpe is it hammer time yet?
This is from FOB, and Moonshadow is the original poster…..
The hearing is over. The Judge will now consider the arguments and make his ruling.
No way to know when that will happen. It is also being said that this hearinf was for all three suspects.
THERE IS a chain of command in Aruba’s food chain….Joran being the son of an attorney/potential judge… had lots of clout… the drug dealers would not have threatened him as much as a local yokal … They probably would want to use someone in power like an “attorney” for any future run in’s…. so I don’t think they had Joran over a barrow…
I think Joran’s partying went to far and yes I believe there were others involved with him and the 2K’s, Paulus and others…something went very wrong!
This is how Aruba treats the family of Natalee Holloway
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=5581.0
Karin Janssen: inept comes to mind
Spread the word…..this is how Aruba treats victims of their happy island
Miss Underestimated: Glad to see someone is still looking at Steve Croes. The common denominator in both missing American girls (Amy Bradley & Natalee Holloway).
Hallelujah…
Viet Vet, you can say that again!
These serial
butt puckers EVEN ADMIT ON RECORD
THEY LIED OVER AND OVER.
At times they admit it in ALE POLICE STATEMENTS, other
times in worldwide television interviews… and
Joran is such a twanger, he boldly says obstruction
of justice IS NOT A CRIME. (Current Affair Interview)
Reporter: Now, lying is a crime isn’t it? When you interfere with a police investigation?
Joran van der Sloot: Lying.. I don’t think lying is a crime. Lying is probably not ethical, but it is not a crime.
Reporter: If you interfere with a police investigation?
Joran van der Sloot: If you interfere with a police investigation it is still not a crime.
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Obstruction of justice is a crime! Even in
a dirty stinking latrine hole of country
the likes of Aruba!
( sound effect: toilet flush )
I know DAT IS DE TRUTHHHHH
Mrs. Arlene Slippers
told me SO.
-J4N
-more of Joran’s stinking LIES:
He’s like the ENERGIZER BUNNY, (if the E Bunny was on crack)
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JORAN
ALE STATEMENT 6/14/05
JORAN:
We drove towards the Wyndham Casino. When we were just about to get out of the car, my father called. My father then told me that the police were at my house and that they were looking for a missing girl. I had then told my father that we would be coming to the house. I right away told Deepak that a girl had gone missing. Deepak had said immediately that it must be the girl from last night. *I straight away thought of Natalee who I had left behind at the beach.*
CURRENT AFFAIR INTERVIEW 9/2005
Joran van der Sloot: No, I don’t know. That is absolutely not what it is about. I don’t know. When her parents showed up at my door with her picture I didn’t even know who Natalee Holloway was. I didn’t even know her name.
-J4N
H-A-M-M-E-R-T-I-M-E !!!
http://tinyurl.com/gddzf
(word)
-J4N
The blog site FOB…….Should stand for something like Fu**ed off ba*t*rds because of the utter bullshit they spew about the family and how they defend J2K. Just totally unreal, and the bad thing is that alot of them are from the United States! Hey Carpe…..got a special picture for them????
Hi Jerry…You know I wish I could help you with the Wever thing…best I’m able to do is generalize based on what I learn from this board and the news shows. I cannot forget Wever’s arrest and the charge of Heavy Battery…I only know Holland didn’t proceed with it in any credible way and I became certain of Holland’s complicity in the cover-up. With Grande’s assertions of the Dutch embassy sharing quarters with underworld figures in Plainview, all doubts were removed. As Aruba has handed off their mess to Dompig, so has Holland to Aruba….thus nothing ever from Holland….For them to treat this now as a cold case file is insulting…some would argue better late than never but where the hell were/are+ the law enforcement people. Alot of people fled Aruba to Holland, so truthfully, who’s directed the cover-up. Why did they run? Because they were afraid of Aruba or sought refuge for their criminal acts in Holland? If they had enough info to charge Wever with Heavy Battery and then not follow thru, then the next question in my mind is who else has refuge in Holland. As for the trolls you speak of…that is the understatement of the year! I too have alot of hope for this Devries character as I always try to be optimistic with new events but rather than accept all the bulls*** propoganda on all these boards, I’d prefer to wait and see for myself just how much integrity this guy’s investigation possessed or if it was just another run at a hate-filled propoganda effort to get some moron to point a weapon instead of lady justice’s gavel prying Paulus’s “I’ve gotten something to tell” lips open. I wish I knew the answers to your questions but between you, Carpe, Grande, 1906, Minn Dad, Nychic when he’s not talking about hurting someone, Maggie, Vicki, and some others that have come and gone…you guys have solved this thing…at least in my eyes. Timelines, sequences, exact details may not all add up at times but I’m still gonna hang out here, if for anything, to boycott and express my dissatisfaction with Aruba and Holland every chance I get…What’s a boycotting American to do other than paste a bumpersticker. Later
” She just ummm vanished”
And those such sad words to live by Ms. Arleeen.
Now your tourism, your bridge, what next that have ummm just vanished?
Now you just don’t understand….our…..law, but Ms. Arleeen, you just don’t …..understand…..the……laws…..of…….nature…..KARMA…….
BTW WHERE IS HAMMER?
[...] Who would take Joran “fauxtograph” Van der Sloot off a sucpect list? So what was the gist of the defense’s argument as to why they are seeking a ruling? One that actually makes no sense. How does the defense know or can know what the Prosecution will do in the future? Do the defense attorney’s have a magic 8 ball? Although one does begin to wonder if this is actually how decisions are made there. [...]
For all of you who believe in prayer,
Please say a prayer for 1906. The last time he posted, he was having a lot of problems with his health. He talked mostly about his concerns for others, and he has always been particularly concerned for Natalee.
I for one believe God answers prayers, cause I’ve seen Him do so many times.
So, take the time to pray for a fellow poster, and ask God to heal and help 1906.
Jerry
Yea, 1906 is the best.
Best wishes and God speed.
molly (in Houston)
#210 Tazman, you haven’t a clue regarding #203 and
#214 makes more sense than you…regarding a reasonable answer. Take the alledged fact of Joran being the last one with Natalee….he leaves….and I take her body. So who would be guilty? I’m going to lie too.
I’m suprised Joran didn’t just say, ‘Something happened, she just stopped breathing, I couldn’t revive her so I ran away. (enter X who takes N away) Oh, so X has all the facts.
#229, if natalee had just stopped breathing, butthole had a cellphone, and 9ll works on aruba. 4 yr. olds save people’s lives right regularly by dialing 9ll. but we are talking about jvds here, probably beyond his capabilities.
dennisintn
#229 who’s going to walk along and find a body and take it? Most would call the cops, both would be guilty. I don’t know anyone who would go out on a date with someone who stopped breathing or became ill and wouldn’t call 911 or go to an emergency room for help. What kind of person would take off unless, there was evidence on the body that would lead back to them for a crime?
Joran and OJ..What a nice couple. How do we breed so many of these? Justice will come for Natalee, Nicole,, and so many others. If not in this life….
What I’d like to know is what were those three doing when their young, intoxicated friend left the casino with JVS & co?
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SM: What three are you referring to? You do realize that Natalee did not leave the casino with JK2 aren’t you? (klaasend)
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