RSSJoran Van der Sloot: “I didn’t even know her name.”
Beth Twitty made an appearance on CBS, The Early Show, and made the following references as to whether her daughter, Natalee Holloway, may have been drugged.
Natalee Holloway’s mother says that the Alabama teen may have been drugged the night she disappeared in Aruba almost four months ago.
During the CBS interview Beth Holloway Twitty recounted the night that she confronted Joran Van der Sloot as to the where abouts of her daughter.
In the interview with “A Current Affair,” van der Sloot admits he lied about the last time he saw Holloway on the night she vanished, but insists she was fine when they parted ways.
“When her parents showed up at my door with her picture, I didn’t even know who Natalee Holloway was,” he said. “I didn’t even know her name.”
To that, Twitty told Storm, “There have been so many lies that have come out of Joran van der Sloot’s mouth that it’s so — sometimes I think the only facts we have are all of his lies. It’s just incredible that he is going to make a statement like that, that he does — did not even know her name.”
Because of the fact that Joran Van der Sloot has admitted to initially lying to the police in the investigation as to bring Natalee Holloway back to the Holiday Inn, one wonders just which story to believe. This is the problem when one lies. An initial lie that does not seem to have much validity as to why he would have in the first place. This and the fact that Joran Van der Sloot has presumably made statements that he had sex with Natalee Holloway and now is saying that he did not is puzzling. One does not usually use the term “consensual” unless they are referring to sex, not kissing. Joran admits that “the only mistake he made was leaving her at the beach”. Natalee’s mom Beth makes a comment that I think many are questioning as well due to the fact that Joran Van der Sloot has admittedly lied:
“The ‘only’ mistake he made,” Twitty said. “You know, I am not even sure if we’ve gotten to the last disclosed location where Joran last left and saw Natalee. I’m not even certain that that is the last place.”
Beth further went on during the CBS interview to reference the possibility that her daughter was drugged (some possibilities Rohypnol , GHB or Ketamine to name a few) and not just intoxicated. One does begin to wonder as individuals have privately disclosed that “date rape” drugs act more in this manner that Beth and Dave have described than would alcohol where one just tends to pass out when reaching their limit.
“It almost sounds like to me that she is drugged. And in his statements, also, he’s saying that she’s coming in and out of consciousness. That just doesn’t sound like just drunk. It sounds like to me it’s a possibility she could have been drugged, also.”
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34 Responses to “Joran Van der Sloot: “I didn’t even know her name.””
First let me explain. I am a retired old man who has been there, done that. Furthermore, I have followed this story very closely. The whole thing makes me angry and sad but we as Americans must understand that other countries do not necessarily have our high standards for life and justice. Murder and rape to us is a terrible thing. In many countries we are hated for a number of reasons. I have personally debated this with some in South America.
This case will die a slow, painful death winding through the ditches of he said, she said unless something major happens. By that I mean more than just media pressure, which does help but does not bring anything to a head. A boycott has been mentioned many times which in turn would hurt the people of Aruba but then again may also cause them to get involved and put pressure their own leadership or judicial system. The same is true for Holland. If they want our tourism money let them earn it. Then again they do not think as we do and in some cases run scared themselves. If the suspects will not take a polygraph test then charge them and at least give a jury a shot at it. It might even bring out some important finger pointing. I doubt that the prosecution in Aruba is really giving it their best!
Then there is diplomatic intervention. If we as Americans beat up a little on our Government maybe they will help. Not a lot they can do but it is worth a try. It is time for pay back from Holland where we were welcomed during WWII. Have they forgotten? Americans must feel safe when traveling to other countries. If one hostage is taken in Iraq look at the attention our Government gives them. Is this not a parallel type situation?
There are other options that cannot be addressed or proposed here. Prayer may be one of the strongest. It is time to get tough here before all evaporates. Patience is not always a virtue and besides, enough is enough. It is time for action and not patience before this becomes just another forgotten missing person.
Has anybody confirmed the time of the cel phone call that Natalee made with someone catching her in the act? If she was regaining her self enough to make that call, they probably forced more drug on her. Overdose is a strong probably. That makes it Murder 1
to John Staton– I have never heard of a cell phone call made by Natalee–when was this and can you give more info. Thanks
John,
I remember reading or hearing about Natalee calling someone on a cell phone after she left C & C also, but I don’t remember who she called. It seems like she called her home # in Alabama and left a message or something. Wish I could remember. Do you John? And whose cellphone did she use since hers was in her hotel room and all of her classmate said their cellphones didn’t work in Aruba?
I think all three of the guys know where Natalee is, what happened to her, etc. and had everything to do with it, maybe along with others in their gang. I just hope and pray that she is found so that she can be brought home and her family can have closure. And I hope that whatever they did to Natalee is done to them 10-1000 fold. And eye for an eye!
Perhaps Joran was just as drunk as Natalee was and did not remember her name.It would not be the first time someone was with someone and could not recall their name.Although you would think that he would remember her name it is a possibility the name never registered with him.
John,
No,no one has confirmed any of the phone calls or for that matter anything else in this case.On the other hand if she did indeed make a phone call it just may prove that she was not drugged or going in and out of consciousness as has been speculated.
I dont understand why they wont use a lier didector on those kids that keep on making new story about the case of Natalle H.
Deb,
Which kids?
Are you referring to the kids from Mountain Brook or the 3 suspects or all of the kids on both sides of the isle.
Was Beth there?
Any talk of drugs and date rape is pure fiction unless she was there or there was any evidence
John Stanton?, Your entire post is pure fiction or speculation
No Cell call when she was caught in the act- never happened
no overdose- no evidence
no murder 1
bizman- i think she means three we have been talking about the past 4 months
Kids of mountain brooke? dont know what on earth your talking about
“I didn’t even know her name.” can you believe that!
I believe it. She was out for a night of fun and so was he.
Joran has that smerk on his face when he is telling his lies about Natalee. Natalee was a trusting young girl that didn’t realize there was such people as the Van Der Sloots and Kalpoe brothers. Yes, Natalee and her friends were in Aruba to have a good time but not to be druged and raped. The more people that will listen to Joran, the more he will lie. It makes people like him feel important when he get them to listen. The lies get bigger and bigger. He didn’t know her name “BULL”. keep it up Joran, we are listing.
I hate to say this. I really do but Joran almost sounded credible.
Let’s see Harry…almost sounded credible? He has not only lied…where I’ll wager Bizman and Dave believed him then…that he dropped Natalee off at the hotel…to turn around and say…no he was lying. Now he is saying well that was a lie we all made up because I felt bad I snuck out of the house without telling my dad. Scared that he snuck out of the house??? Give me a friggin break…he took Natalee back to his house. That doesn’t sound like he was very scared to me.
Then we have Depak who says they all had sex with her and you wouldn’t believe how easy that was. Hmmmmmm…two men…who were there…their words…not something we or the media have made up. So one of them is lying. You need to ask yourself why Depak would say that??? Now ask why Joran would say the opposite. Still sound credible to you?
As for bizman…I’m shocked…but you have finally said one small thing I have to agree with. I’m very bad with people’s names…its possible he didn’t…but on the other hand he said he didn’t realize until he got up the next morning that she was missing and didn’t recognize her picture when they showed him. Still possible? The name…possibly…her picture? No.
Is it possible if she made a call that she wasn’t as drunk as she says. Bizman…ya know…you take every detail and bend it around to what you want it to mean. You first say…no…no cell phone call was made. BUT…if it was…
Well two can play your game Bizman. It could also be possible she was left alone for a few minutes in a room and found a cellphone and dialed her home. I’ve heard about the call…but haven’t tried to see if it was substantiated so I’ve never brought it up in here… But if we are playing what if games…what if they discovered she did that and that’s why she was killed. I doubt that a call was made…because I’m not sure…but I would think they would be able to trace where the call came from…but I’m just trying to show you that it could be played out either way.
As for Dave…well…I guess its been solved. Speculation…the drugs…yes. Hasn’t been absolutely proven..that’s true. Rape??? We can either believe the one story that she was drunk and acting wild or that she knew what she was doing. Of course…if we believe that…we have to once again call Depak a liar…because he says she was drunk.
What will it take bizman and dave??? What is it you need as proof? At least of rape? I understand not jumping the gun on the murder charge…but it is NOT speculation that they all had sex with her. I’ve never thought Natalee was a saint. If we want to speculate…she very well may have gone to Aruba…met a boy she liked and decided to leave with him. If you want to go a step farther and “speculate” she may have decided to make out with him or more. Now do you really think…a girl who is the kind of girl that Natalee was…would all of a sudden decide to have sex with 3 men? Drinking or not?
And if you want to sit there and say…Linda you have no idea what Natalee was like…now lets talk proof. If Natalee had been wild or easy…you know darn well someone would have come out and said something. It makes me laugh when I hear people say Beth won’t allow the kids to talk. Now there’s a stretch. How does anyone think Beth could stop over 100 kids from talking. If not to the media…to others who would then spill their story to the media.
Bizman and Dave…you worry me guys. You really do. Bizman at least has a family…and is most likely a nice enough guy…I don’t know anything about Dave…but it worries me that you keep your fingers pointed at Natalee as being at fault. I won’t go into why that worries me…the reason isn’t relevant to finding Natalee…just can you try and look at both sides please?
I’ve done prison ministry for a long time, and the deeper the evil, the more credible they sound.
Cel phone call to class mate from rented phone (one story says rented by Joran) indicated early in press reports. Story is that call was made to cel not turned on and heared when friend picked up in Alabama. Time of call not identified. Condition of her voice not identified only that the call seemed to be in duress. Person under drug can come out of condition briefly and sound lucid. I was military medic and worked chrisis intervention. During lucid moment I got enough info from person to get help too him before he went out again. Saved life was about to OD and die. Drug mix with other is dangerous condition with many unknown factors. If she was caught (voice reported at end of transmission indicatates this in story) and they forced more drug into her (3 of them remember) she could OD and die.
I don’t believe a word Joran said during the current affair interview. He is so arrogant. Looking like he’s trying to stifle a grin, while evading the truth. I wish someone would kick his behind.
Anyone who believes he does not know what happened to Natalee. should go out on a date with him or let your daughter do the same. Put your money where your mouth is.
Hey Harry,
Joran has told a mountain of lies, and has at least eight different version of what happened that night. And they still let him go. I am sure every one of those versions I “hate to say it” sounded credible. Wake up.
To Herbs,
Dear Sir,
Though I usually do not reply nor give comment on internet sites, your reply has made me concerned about a couple phrases you use in your comment.
And first of all, I want to share with you that my thoughts and prayers are with the Holloway family, it must be a living hell for them the last months.
However, some phrases in your lyrics do not rap with reality.
+ ” … thing makes me angry and sad but we as Americans must understand that other countries do not necessarily have our high standards for life and justice. ..”
As a Dutch born person I can gurantee you that our standards of life and justice are at least of similar levels as in Amerika, if not higher. A person is innocent until proven guilty ! So, now, where is the proof ? I do not know how American justice works – How did OJ and Micheal get away, didn’t that something have to do with … uhmm ….. money ?
+ ” … Murder and rape to us is a terrible thing. ”
Well, sorry to dissapoint you, but so it is in Holland. (I always wonder why the crime rate in the Netherlands is way lower than in the US… )
+ ” … The same is true for Holland. If they want our tourism money let them earn it. Then again they do not think as we do and in some cases run scared themselves. ”
First of all : American tourism money in the Netherlands itself is only
I continue to believe Paulus Van der Sloot knows exactly what happened to Natalie. How did he know in advance that “no body, no case?” I has been reported that he went out with Joran drinking and chasing. Was he involved, you bet cha. Did he sell her to the white slave trade? This is a possibility. Since no evidence of her after they dug up this rock and sand island and searched the ocean around Aruba, this tells me she is still alive somewhere. The hurricanes have turned the water over and over and yet nothing has come to the surface, just like Natalee hasn’t. This event has been rotten from the beginning, someone has covered th Van der Sloots tails. I have watched this from day one and I have yet to see any concern from the police, just cover-up from the government of Aruba. You can forget the President doing anything, there is no chance for a photo-op.
Linda,
Calm down please.First off I never said whether there was a phone call or not.What I did say was it has never been confirmed as to whether a call was made.You have to admit any recording of any call has never been played for the public to actually know if one exists.Lord knows there have been an abundance of opportunites for Beth to have released any such tape.Forget about the integrity of the investigation as it seems she has thrown everything that she has out there for the world to see.That is everything except any proof of what she has claimed for the last 4 months.If she wants to put the squeeze on the Arubans by calling for a boycott(hell yes it’s a call for a boycott NOT a request but only a polite call for a boycott)then now is the time for her to lay out every piece of evidence that she has in order to garner all of the support that she can in order for any such boycott A.K.A. request to not travel to any Dutch territory.That means any proof of anything to do with this case.She has repeatedly said that all she wants to do is bring Natalee home.So since she has given ample time for the ones she feels are responsible to be investigated and charges levied against them and nothing has been done in a satisfactory manner to her.Then why in the heck is she not giving up any and all evidence that she has that can back up all of the claims that she has made.If she has any evidence
Linda,
Calm down please.First off I never said whether there was a phone call or not.What I did say was it has never been confirmed as to whether a call was made.You have to admit any recording of any call has never been played for the public to actually know if one exists.Lord knows there have been an abundance of opportunites for Beth to have released any such tape.Forget about the integrity of the investigation as it seems she has thrown everything that she has out there for the world to see.That is everything except any proof of what she has claimed for the last 4 months.If she wants to put the squeeze on the Arubans by calling for a boycott(hell yes it’s a call for a boycott NOT a request but only a polite call for a boycott)then now is the time for her to lay out every piece of evidence that she has in order to garner all of the support that she can in order for any such boycott A.K.A. request to not travel to any Dutch territory.That means any proof of anything to do with this case.She has repeatedly said that all she wants to do is bring Natalee home.So since she has given ample time for the ones she feels are responsible to be investigated and charges levied against them and nothing has been done in a satisfactory manner to her.Then why in the heck is she not giving up any and all evidence that she has that can back up all of the claims that she has made.If she has any evidence NOW is the time to let the world see the evidence so she can get the desried effect of a boycott.It makes no sense for her to comtinue to make the talk show rounds or go to Holland to put up posters.it is now time to play hardball and put up her case to the world since the Arubans are no longer interested in hearing anymore of what she has to say.So Beth lneeds to let it all hang and give it her best shot . No more hiding behind the excuse of protecting the integrity of the investigation since it has not got her anywhere.If you have evidence show it to the world and back up your theories.
Linda,on the Deepak tape.You need to ask yourself why Jamie Skeeters edited and spliced the tape that was broadcast on the Dr. Phil show.It is obvious that it was a cut and paste job.As important as this case is there is no reason for Dr. Phil to have played a portion of a tape.The tape should have been played in its entirety without any obvious splices.Even if it took 5 episodes of the Dr.Phil show if he was going to allow the unauthorized tape to be played then he should have aired every second of it unedited.So,no the tape does not prove anyone had sex with Natalee,but you or anyone else are free to believe it if you wish to do so.
Also Linda.Who is Harry?I dont know who Harry is so I dont think I have a reason to believe him or not believe him.Is he some new character in the story?
Linda,I guess what it will take is good old fashioned PROOF that Natalee has been harmed,let alone gangraped,murdered,sold to the slave trade.I must ask you Linda what is so wrong about anyone wanting to see the PROOF of the claims,speculations,theories that have been presented by anyone in this case?It is hard to believe that Beth cannot produce any proof whatsoever.Do you not find that in the least bit odd that she has had numerous times to present proof but has failed to do so.I understand why she could not while the active investigation was going on(despite what she says I for one believe that the investigation continues)but now that the gloves are off and it is apparent that the prosecutor is looking at other avenues other than what Beth thinks happened.NOW is the best time for her to reveal her proof if she has any to offer otherwise if she has no proof perhaps she may need to consider other scenarios besides the one that she has convinced herself of.
It is strange that you think that anyone who does not agree with you is playing a game.There is no game to be played.Natalee certainly could have found a phone then again if she was as incapacitated as Beth says she was then I think it is more likely that she did not make a call.It can’t be both ways.Natalee could not be so drugged as to have been gang raped as has been reported and then also sober enough to make phone calls all in the same timeframe as what the assaults are believed to have happened.There is a very narrow timeframe that all of these claims were supposed to of happened.So yes a little bit of proof would go a long way in getting the public to support her request of a boycott.
What difference does it make if a person has a family or not.Whether a person has a family or not does not negate the necessity of proof needed to prove what is being claimed.How do you tie the two together.Are you trying to say if a person has a family then it is a given that they should be aboard the Beth bandwagon?Stereotyping a personis not conclusive of what that person should believe.
I don’t know if Joran did it or not…I keep remembering the Shango letter….but I agree with you Harry Putter…he sounded believable…he’s either spawn of satan and lies REALLY well…or he didn’t do it…wow what a revelation…I wish the Shango letter would leave my head!
The thing that is shocking is his saying that there is more to the story! Or something to that effect…..does anyone know exactly?
CS,
Who said there is more to the story?
Bart,
Just stop trying to prove how great Holland is…this is about a missing American girl…it’s our tragedy…leave us alone to our outrage. She was one of our best and brightest.
Holland is the porn capital of Europe…that’s not making us feel very confident about your view of women.
I just hate how people from Aruba and Holland have to justify their countries. I guess it’s hard to understand because we hear them so often about the US, they fall on deaf ears….As far as the crime ratio goes…I’m sick of hearing that too, the US is a HUGE country- one of the things that people from other countries have trouble imagining. So the ratio of crime here and Aruba can’t be compared(beside we actually print the real number of our crime statistcs) and Holland is very tiny compared to the US as well. AND we care about thoose people as well. For as huge as we are, our crime isn’t that bad. And what does that have to do with a missing teen? See, that’s what Herb was trying to tell you, we care deeply about every missing person that can’t come home. I suppose you don’t have that kind of feeling about your fellow Dutch. Herb was saying every life is precious to us. There are no disposable people.
As for the justice system…Aruba’s patterned after Holland, be careful there- I wouldn’t be saying that too loud.
I believe NO ON on Earth could be so stupid as that prosecutor, Karin or Caren Janssen. So there is just one thing left to believe, she is covering up some really bad stuff for some really bad people. Now Bart, the US State Dept…that’s the people that look out for us- because we pay them to, has had quite alot of things to say about that little Dutch Island of Aruba….none of which are good. So I’m inclined to take their word for it. And it makes me really really mad when these people on the happy little island think we would be inclined to believe their stupid lies. I found it particularly outrageous that she (Carin..Karin..whatever Janssen) told Jug Twitty that if he didn’t control himself she would stop the investigation…..how is that professional? How is this a justice system…what exactly is wrong with these people? They don’t even seem to be trying to look as if they have an investigation going on.
One very good thing comming out of this is that we know know just what kind of happy little island this is and we can steer clear of it so no more of our own disappear.
Whew…sorry to anyone I may have offended, especially my countrymen and women, I just had to say it.
Joran said that one day he will tell exactly what happened that night but right now is not ready. He said that on Current Affair. I wonder what he is hiding about that night??????
Thanks Melissa! Jerry see Melissa reply.
You know that’s a very strange thing to say…if you did it, wouldn’t you want your story to stand…I left her at the beach-period. If you didn’t do it, you would just tell all you knew…..unless you were covering for someone who could harm you??? Yes? THEn you would say I’ll tell you everything when I’m ready????
I think the Mountain Brook kids are hiding things, too. Beth Twitty was asked on Current Affair if she had asked them to not talk and she avoided the question by saying that she wanted them to move on with their lives. They have much more to do with all this than she is admitting – they need to come forward and let the public decide if what they have to say is relevant or not. She won’t leave Joran alone – yet she wants Natalee’s friends to move on with their lives. Are they not partly to blame for not leaving with their friend, or at least when she didn’t return to try and find out what happened to her, maybe around 3:00 a.m. Things might be a little different had her friends stayed by her side! We need to hear more from the “wild” Mountain Brook group.
I’ve read that Joran said he know how to get rid of a body. Does anyone know what he said?
Where he said? To whom he said?
Jewel…no…the Mountain Brook kids are not responsible for Natalee missing. C’mon…they weren’t assigned to watch each other. As for letting them get on with their life…why shouldn’t they? Did someone see one of them in the car leaving with Natalee? Have any of them given interviews saying the things the boys have said? If you want to blame them…we may as go all the way back to its Aruba’s fault she’s missing. Its not the kids or Aruba’s fault. At least not at this point.
What I’m amazed at though is the people who think Beth has so much control over the kids. Sure she could have asked them not to give interviews. Possible. But out of over 100 kids…do you think all of them would have honored that request? Especially with the money they could receive from a talk show? I doubt it.
So while I say don’t rule anyone out at this point…I also say let’s stick with the most likely suspects first…get them totally ruled out (which they sure aren’t helping to do) and then move on to others. I believe the answer lies with these 3 boys…doesn’t make it so…but it is my belief. Whether they personally did something or whether they just know what happened…doesn’t matter to me. Give Beth some peace…and she’ll start leaving you alone.
Its true, Jerry.
Not only did he say he knows how to get rid of a body, but he also said that he knows how to kill someone. Then he said that during that night, he knew a perfect way to kill Natalee, so that no-one would ever find her, but he changed his mind about actually doing it and he just dropped her off at the hotel. Imagine that, there is that story about dropping her off at the hotel again!
He also carried a knife with blood on it when the police arested him. He told the police he used that knife to remove a bullet from his leg, so the police didnt bother to investigate that. He got the cleaned knife back when he was released.