RSSJoran van der Sloot denies responsibility in A Current Affair Interview
While talking with “A Current Affair” in Holland, Joran van der Sloot denied responsibility as to why Natalee Holloway is missing. The interview is scheduled to air Monday. Joran Van der Sloot admits initially lying to investigators but states that Natalee was fine when he left her on the beach. 
A suspect in the case of an Alabama teenager missing in Aruba admits he lied about the last time he saw her on the night she vanished, but he insists she was fine, according to a television interview. Joran van der Sloot, 18, was one of three men jailed this summer in Natalee Holloway’s May 30 disappearance. He talked to a producer for “A Current Affair” in Holland, where he is attending college. The interview is scheduled to air Monday. Holloway was last seen leaving a bar with van der Sloot and two brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe. The three young men were released on the condition they remain available to police for questioning.
In the interview with A Current Affair Joran Van der Sloot claims the relationship was consensual and he went so far to say that he even told Natalee Holloway that they had to leave; however, “she wanted to stay all night”.
He insists the night ended when he left her alone on the beach. “She wanted to stay here the whole night. I told her no I had to go. I even lifted her up to carry her back to the hotel, and she told me to put her down,” he said in the interview.
So now the story is that Joran Van der Sloot being the gentleman that he is was insisting that they both leave and it was Natalee Holloway, a girl who cannot defend her self’s fault. Joran Van der Sloot also went on to say,
“Obviously she was drunk. I had stuff to drink, too,” van der Sloot said. “She wanted to go with me. I wanted to go with her. It was totally consensual.”
Earth to Joran, if someone is that drunk it can’t be consensual. Remember the part about going in and out of consciousness? Please tell me that someone during this “Current Affair” interview is going to say the following: Joran, you have lied through your teeth about everything, including the night that you left Natalee Holloway off at the Holiday Inn. You had concocted the lie with the Kalpoe brothers and most likely Paulus Van der Sloot as well. WHY ARE WE SUPPOSED TO BELIEVE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING NOW? Also, you and the Kalpoe brothers have now admitted to all having sex with a girl that was drunk and that you claim to have been consensual, WHERE IS SHE THEN? You left a drunk girl on the beach after all you had conveniently enough consensual sex with a girl that was so drunk she probably could not have consented to anything. Joran, any other lies you would like to tell the world?
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HarryTho Sunday Night Natalee Holloway Update
Just how sex can be consensual if a woman is drunk and drifting in and out of consciousness apparently doesn’t seem to enter into Joran’s power to reason.
It may very well be an interesting interview.It has never been substantiated that all three of the boys had sex with her and it is also obvious that the tape of Deepak saying “SHE DID” was an edited tape and the words “SHE DID” were spliced into the tape right after Skeeter said she may have had sex with all three of you giving the false impression that the “SHE DID” comment was the answer to Skeeter’s probing.More than likely the “SHE DID” comment was in response to Skeeter possibly asking if Natalee was allowing others to slurp shots from her navel.At any rate anyone with half a brain cell who listened to the audio tape with Deepak obviously would have to admit that it was one heck of a cut and paste job.
Likewise the going out of and into consciousness has never been substantiated and if it were true the documents that prove it should be released to a major news organization and translated for accuracy and truth and then and only then will there be proof of such statements.
Joran and the Kalpoes may very well be guilty but until some of these wild allegations are authenicated by the authorities then all they will be are simply wild allegations and innuendos.So ScaredMonkeys please ask Beth Twitty for some proof of all of the allegations that she has made and let her know that she can start to regain the trust of the supporters that she has lost by starting with the evidence of the documents that reveal the going out and into consciousness statements that she had made.Whoever posted the article about the interview (here on SM’s)seems to have actualy seen the proof or is blindly putting their faith into whatever Beth says on any given day.
I personally think that the Mountain Brook people who were on the trip need to be investigated and interrogated and they can start with the Twitty twin cousins who left one of their own on the island.WHY would anyone leave a family member behind????
it will be a shame if someone doesn’t use a voice analysis machine on this interview and show the results as he makes comments and answers questions.
It is actually comical that anything that comes out of the mouths of the suspects that is derogatory to them is somehow been falsified. News flash, all tape is edited. To say that its doctored? How do you know? Why is it that everything the suspects are accused of is wrong even what comes out of their mouth or written hand is some how false? Yet the victims are to blame?
The MB teens need to be interrogated? Sure you are not Joran or the Kalpoe’s defense atty?
However, you do bring up an interesting point about the teens. Just one more example of how the investigators botched the initial investigation. How were they all allowed to leave an island with a missing girls case going on? Were they interviewed? The ALE certainly had their opportunity and lost it the minute they all got on to the plane.
I don’t know why anyone should try to explain the defciencies of the Kalpoe brothers and Juran’s statemnts they don’t believe what they hear and accuse people that make their living dealing with truthful satement analysis i.e. Jamie Skeeters. If I were Mr. Skeeters I would sue the attorneys for these clowns for slander and defamation of character. I heard the tapes and what was said greatly perturbed me. The latest interview with Juran is another example of the three stooges trying to shift blame to the victim. Most of us are smart enough not to bite on more of their lies bizman.
Juran is trying to smooth things over so people will not feel hard towards him when he walks for good and he wants to go to school on his scholarship at St. Leo Cllege in Tampa, FL. We know he is so smart he has a sports mangement scholarship at that school (Natalee had a preimed full acadmic scholarship at a real University). The people of America need to write the President and the State Department and make sure Deepak who also wanted to go to school in Americas, and Juran and Satish are not admitted to the USA unless they pass a full blown polygraph test on their envolvement in the Holloway disappearance. And I mean pass the test none of this inconclusive results and you get in. We do not need their type of person in the USA. We have enough nuts of our own here already.
He doesnt make sense. He claims it was consensual and they had a good time so why woudl he drop her off on the beach to sit alone in the dark. Why wouldnt he drive her back to her hotel? He said she was coming in and out of conciousness and so how is that consensual?
And as far as the “SHE DID” remark.
who said the tape was spliced?
bizman you dont even have half a brain.
Why would Jamie Sketers cut and paste and LIE to make it look like
Deepak said those things? Thats quite an accusation.
He’s a professional with a reputation. He is not one of the corrupt Aruban Police.
I wonder about the psychology of someone like yourself who
defends rapists. Why do you care so much about these 3 guys?
Have you ever drugged and raped a woman?
I am sure that in time, the truth will come out. I don’t believe for one minute that Joran Vandersloot is innocent. He will eventually trip himself up.
The vast majority of sociopaths like Joran Vander Sloot are exceptional liars. Sociopaths have the ablity to convince themselves of whatever they wish, to the point where they can pass lie detector tests with ease.
I have followed this story from day 1 and let’s face it .. anyone else who has, KNOWS it STINKS to high heaven. Let’s not go into the details. We who have watched what the Aruban authorities have done with this case, as well as the behaviour of the Kalpoes and Golden Boy during this affair know one thing. Go to square one. Stop. Innocent people don’t lie to the police. Only Guilty people lie and concoct story after story to protect themselves. All three of these kids have done just that.
Joran’s Momma tells the public “He’s a good boy .. leave him alone” … Do you call an underaged kid who hangs out at casinos and bars all nite, has a credit account at one casino, and can’t get up for school (As him Mother even told the press – “He can be hard to get up for school, but when he does, he does well”), and has a best friend named Freddy who assaults underaged girls a GOOD BOY?
Think about it ….
I do not think that it is fair to attack this interview before it has even been seen. I think that Joran has every right to speak publicly about that night and defend himself. He and the Kalpoes have not been able to do that publicly yet, but I think it is a good thing that they do it now. There has been no definite proof shown to the public as to what happened to Natalee or whether these boys had any thing to do with her disappearance. I can not wait to watch this interview and see him speak live about that night. I am still waiting for proof that he is guilty before I pass jusgement on him. Who knows he may even change some peoples minds as well. There is still the possibility that he is innocent! Thanks for letting us know it will be on tomorrow!
i was glad joran did the interview i believe it happened like he said
i dont think the sex was againist her will
if you seen the interview some of her friends said on the greta & diane diamond program then you know she was the one that went over to joran while he was gambling & hit on him
then when it came time for them to leave the two classmates motioned for natalee to come on —natalee waved told them to go & she was fine
i think the tapes were tampered with
dont you think if all this so called statements were true they would all be in jail—–fact is there is no proof
it is hard for me to believe three young men with no criminal record could pull of a perfect crime
When was the last time that you heard of 300 or more soldiers being mobilized to look for a missing person (not an American) in the USA, or civilian workers being given the day off to go and search for a missing foreign national? When have you ever heard of any hotel, motel, cafe, or restaurant comping the family of a foriegn national missing in this country while the family looks for them, or the US providing F-16′s to fly over land and water with heat seeking equipment and equipment that would facilitate the search for a body on board for the sole purpose of finding a missing foreign national???
When is the last time that happened here in the USA?
And these are the people that Beth Twitty and Dr. Phil are very publicly calling corrupt and incompetant, and calling for America and the world to punish them….I think they have the right to air for all the world to hear what they think of Dr. Phil McGraw and Beth Twitty myself.
“She wanted to stay here the whole night. I told her no I had to go. ..” Where did he have to go? She’s the one who had to catch a plane. Try flipping that comment around.
Maybe he punched her in his home-he has a temper-and that’s how she died. No one broke yet using the drugged theroy. Press him on physically hitting and killing her. In one confession he mentioned that she fell. There must have seen a bruise on her.
To people who still believe that Joran may be innocent I say: You are delusional and living in a fantasy world. I have NO interest in watching the interview and hearing his lies again. He has lied so many times. If he was innocent why would he lie? To say there is no definitive proof is ridiculous when you have all of the official statements that he made that was signed by 4 Police officers where he said that he had sex with her while she was coming in and out of conciousness. That is rape clear and simple.
In another statement he said that he buried her. In another statement he said that Deepak killed her. If he was innocent why would he say all these things?
And the statement that Joran hasnt been able to defend himself is ridiculous with his 6 lawyers, his father judge and his godfather the chief of Police who botched this investigation on purpose from the beginning. Stop being delusional and wake up and see what is so obvious!
If Joran and Natalee were left on the beach how was he supposed to drive her somewhere – did he have a car – NO
And I am so sick of this if she was drinking too much it had to be rape – if that was the way it was – there would be plenty of college girls who totally overindulge on campuses all weekend – here in the states able to claim rape on Monday mornings – give me a break – provided there was no drugs that she was not aware of – if she was drinking too much and not able to know then that is her responsibility – maybe she should not have drank so much – we just do not know – but to keep blaiming Joran for her consenting or not – is not fair. and sex is one thing – and she was coming on to him according to her friends – besides that still does not mean he killed her!!
So from what I am reading here I am supposed to arrive to the conclusion that she just…willingly disappeared? Puf? Nobody did anything wrong? Puh-leez! I guess you have to truthfully lie so what is missing is really not? I will not make a martyr out of those three….tourism defenders, C & C VIP’s, casino-economy builders…I get the point.
These were just law abiding young citizens that, like good ol’ Boy Scout troopers, helped old folks cross the streets, were deeply devoted to their religions, went to bed really early on weekdays and came home at a respectful time on weekends. Never lied to their parents much less to the law. Had the highest of morals and treated their women as equals. Very honest kids that are model citizens of the island of Aruba.
Nobody is guilt-free here people. Everybody made serious mistakes throughout this scenario but certainly their reputation precedes them. New and a VERY strong evidence is the only way that these three could get off the hook.
I respectfully differ from these opinions.
Such a terrible thing!
Purplasia,
you are obviously young and naive. It is for this reason that I will attempt to hold back while judging your posting. I hope you are never date raped on your island if you are from there. Because the authorities have proven that they will not be able to defend you. EVEN IF IT IS BY THREE MEN WHO ADMITT TO HAVING SEX WITH YOU WHILE YOU ARE SEMI CONCIOUS. Which is considered rape in my country. Your statement ” I find it hard for me to believe that three young men with no criminal record could pull off a perfect crime” ? They could not have if your authorities didn’t botch the investigation. Lets remember, Aruba had them in custody and then let them go for a week. They had a judge in training at home to coach them. This is how they pulled off a perfect crime. The Aruban authorities didn’t even search Jorans car or home for 10 days. In ten days just about ANYONE could clean a place up and intelligently hide a body. I leave you with this. Without proof, they probably will walk. Even with all of the lies that they have ALL told. O.J. Simpson in my country is proof of that. Our ENTIRE COUNTRY KNEW HE WAS GUILTY TOO. He walks around free, but his life is ruined. The difference here is that Aruba as an island will suffer for this one. Millions of dollars a year in lost revenue for not doing the right thing. I leave you with a quote from one of YOUR dutch investigators. When he left the island he said that Joran was definately not being honest and was definately hiding things. So I guess the USA and Dutch investigators all have it wrong right?
hellooooo
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Beth Twitty has never lost my support. Infact she doesn’t even have to ask me to not travel to Aruba. I have 2 daughters one of whom is Natalee’s age. I can’t believe Beth has been treated the way some people have treated her. Especially the Island of Aruba. They should be ashamed. My American dollors will not go to that Island. Urine and the 2Alpo brothers are disgusting to say the least. They are sick and vile. Again Aruba you should be ashamed!!!!!!
There is not one bit of proff that Natalee was drifing “in and out” during this little sexual encounter. It is only Beth Twitty saying that to strum up support. I have not seen any official document saying this. More of the same. Beth wants the world to believe that Joran did this, and she is trying to convince everyone that Natalee was a virgin! How do you know that!! That is more specualtion.
And yes – it can very well be consentual if she was drunk. Passed out – no. Drunk – yes. And to answer the families question “what kind of kid goes drinking and gambling out late on a night before school” – the answer is your daughter. Not just the “evil” Joran.
Are these three kids criminal masterminds? You decide. Did she get herself in trouble on the walk home from the beach. My idea is yes.
Jan
He Drugged Her ………….
He Raped Her …………..
He Killed Her ………….
I’ve Read Your Posts In Other Places, You Must Be Related To The
VDS’s …………..
Sluts
Hey Plasma Head and Fizman – Why would innocent boys point to the security gaurds and try to ruin their lives??? That is not only lying, but shifting the blame of something THEY OBVIOUSLY DID to other people!!!! That was thought thru and intentional on their part! Good God, get real!
umm…. earth to scared monkeys!!! It was BHT that said that Joran said that Natalee was going in & out of consciousness. There is no actual proof that he ever said that!!!!
I don’t believe for any moment that Joran and the 2 brothers are innocent. And as for commiting a perfect crime, well, no crime is perfect. They will get caught.
1 million to x Joran Van der Sloot
Why make up a lie ?
Why was it soo important for the boys to mention “She hit her head when she got out of the car”
How did Joran lose his shoe’s ? His belt ?
Let’s face it… He is involved.
But, He didn’t have a car…So…Who could have help him dispose of a body ?
It’s not the perfect crime but it’s one the Arubans have no interest in seeing solved. The quicker they can bury this the better for them and thier economy.
The whole thing makes me ill.
Why are so many people refusing to look at this from both sides. I am willing to do that, one of the reasons I check in here every now and then. But unfortunatly, lately this hasn’t been objective, on facts only based, site it used to be. Looking at it from a different angle than mine, but fair.
There is no evidence she was ever in and out of consciousness.
Kalpoe brothers never actually said they all had sex with her (only an answer on the tape, of questionable origin).
They never pointed out the security guards (one of them was not even a security guard)
Aruban people have done nothing else than helping, assisting search teams (they were invited to come and eat at my restaurant for two weeks, without paying a dime)
I am so curious who the Dutch investigator is who claimed Joran was guilty. (link?)
Johanna, I believe new and strong evidence is needed to get these guys “on” the hook because unfortunately in our banana republic you are innocent until proven guilty.
The people who think Joran is a terrible person because of the gambling and the drinking are the same people claiming Natalee is/was a saint, although she did exactly the same thing. And before anybody accuses me of speaking ill of Natalee, I am not. I just do not think there is any harm in having a good time when you’re young.
I have to confess that about 15 years ago (I was 18 then), I was on vacation in Lloret da Mar (Spain), had a view too many, met a girl and actually had sex with her on the beach. Never saw her again…. You think I should go to the police?
How do I know the tape is doctored?
Well it is obvious after listening to it numerous times.
How does anyone else assume that the tape has not been doctored?
It appears that some people will believe anything that is presented by Beth Twitty and the ratings hungry TV shows.
I have deep sympathy for anyone who loses a loved one,however Beth is not a detective and she must at some point stop sabotaging this case by constantly presenting her hunches as facts which only in turn make her appear as a contestant on a TV reality show.
Sure enough when all of the kids boarded the plane the ALE lost an opportunity to gain valuable information.Furthermore it is alarming that no one thought enough of Natalee to stay behind and look for her.I know that one so called chaperone stayed behind as a representative of the group.
But still the truth is her very own cousins left without her.The question must be asked as to why those Twitty twins chose to leave one of their own behind.
I know I know,if Beth does not say something on TV then a lot of people refuse to believe anything other than what she says and in my opinion she is holding up progress by not exploring all possible possibilities.
Everything that Beth has said for the past nearly 4 months is nothing but pure speculation.The only thing she knows for sure is her daughter got drunk at Carlos and Charlies and voluntarily left with the boys guys that she barely knew.That is all that she has proof of and she herself realizes that hence the reason that she has produced no proof to support any of her theories.I must admit she has some very good theories but so do a lot of other folks.Unfortunately she thinks that she is the only one with a valid theory.
I recently returned from a 6 day stay in Aruba and I expected to see all of the slanderous conditions on the island as Beth has portrayed them to be.Fact is what she calls a casino(Excelsior Casino) where Joran supposedly(which has been debunked) has a line of credit would not make it as a broom closet in a casino here in the states.It is relatively small,In fact my house is bigger than the Excelsior Casino.It consists of two five dollar slot machines,sixteen one dollar slot machines,about six to eight one dollar poker machines and the rest of the slots consist of quarter and nickel machines.There are 4 poker tables where there was a $10 buy in for Texas Hold-Em tournamnet going on with a prize pool of around $350.00 to be split amongst the top finishers.Hell I have higher limit poker games at my house from time to time.There were about 10 table games consisiting of Blackjack,Caribbean Stud Poker,Roulette and 1 craps table.There appeared to be a max bet limit of $300.00 at these tables.
Like I have outlined it is a poor excuse for a casino and even more of a sham to be used by Beth as a BIGTIME CASINO with plentiful credit lines.I am sure that it is proven to be a moneymaker over time but it is not a BIGTIME CASINO.In fact out of the 11 casinos in Aruba only two could be classified as a BIGTIME CASINO(if even they are eligible for the title of BIGTIME CASINO) and those two are the Alhambra Casino and the Crystal Casino downtown at the Renaissance Hotel which is the only one that stays open 24 hours.The casinos at the Marriot,Hyatt,Radisson,and the Wyndam are all way nicer than the Crystal and Alhambra but fall well short of being a BIGTIME CASINO.The other four casinos are not worthy of being mentioned,in fact one of them was closed for some reason.So the intended reflection of the casinos by Beth that the casinos are so accommodating is ridiculous at best.
I did talk to one girl at the Excelsior Casino that ran the Players Club which is nothing more than a booth where a person can get a players card to build points to redeem for merchandise such as hats,tee shirts and decks of cards.I traded my points for a hat and a box of candy.The supervisor who signed off on the redemption of these two items gave me one dice that she said came from the old Aruba Grand that closed over 13 years ago according to her.I said to her what in the hell can I do with one dice and she gave the another one so now I have a pair.The girl who ran the players club told me that while Beth Twitty stayed at the Holiday Inn that she was comped for all of her needs.The same is assumed at the Wyndam.
While in Aruba I did not see a poster of Natalee anywhere(not even one).Perhaps Beth has pissed off the population as a whole in Aruba and they felt her criticism of the island was a slap in their face after having helped her the best they could.It is apparent that the suport Beth had on the island is now diminished.
What would a trip to Aruba be without going to Carlos N Charlies.That place is a joke for a restaurant.The food was terrible.While there (around 7p.m.)my wife went to the ladies room and when she returned she said that she saw the standard graphitti on the restroom walls and here is one caption that was written on the walls of the ladies room at CnC’s.It read:Natalee Holloway was here 7-05-05 HELP ME!!!
That is what was written on the walls of the ladies room along with signs posted that said drugs not allowed on premises,you will be asked to leave or something to that effect.I do not know if the same signs posted in the men’s room.When entering CnC there is a bar on the right and a bar to the left and a set of stairs going up to the loft area.Next to the bar on the right side is the small stage with the background of the monkeys,yes a very small stage where the picture of Joran gathered with a small crowd of people.In the picture it does not show how small the stage actually is.At times a projection screen is lowered over the background of the monkeys and short films are shown for entertainment value.
While seated my wife was facing the bar on the left and she asked me why if the posted warning signs in the restroom about possesion of drugs were legit then why did the bartender have a BONG sitting on the bar and sure enough I turned around and there was a Bong sitting on the bar.So we watched the bartender and he poured several types of liquor into the neck of the BONG and then he mixed up the contents by shaking the BONG.I had no idea what he was doing this for.
Well about 5 minutes later 2 workers there (one of which moments before was taking my dinner order)One of them went up behind a a patron and put a sombrero hat on the patrons head and leaned the chair back and put a blanket over the patrons chest and the other worker held the BONG up and administered shots of the concoction that the bartender had made up(it appeared to be the equivalent of three shots).Whenever it came to the same being repeated on a female patron the guy who had the chair leaning back would put his hand around the stream of liquid coming from the BONG and make a stroking motion as if he were jacking off while the liquid was entering the female patrons mouth.SICK SICK SICK is all I can say as to describe it.At times the one who was administering the liguid would straddle a female patron face to face and make thrusting motions to simulate sexual activity.They eventually put the hat on my wife’s head and she strongly declined their antics and I did as well.
And all of this before 7:30 p.m..
One of those guys said it got a lot more wild as the night went on.So there is no telling how much alcohol was consumed by the kids who went there.I can inform all that it is very definitely a party place.
What I can tell the readers here at SM’s is Aruba seems to about as Americanized as any city that have been in here in the States.It is like any other place in that it has its good areas and bad areas.Whatever happened to Natalee in Aruba is no worse than what we witness right here in our country everyday.Odds are you would be safer in Aruba than you would be in most inner city neighborhoods in America.
All of the negative things said about Aruba in the media are simply not what one encounters while being in Aruba.Could something bad happen to someone while there?Yes it could just like anywhere else if one is not cautious.Are there drugs in Aruba?Yes certainly if one wants drugs then they can be obtained but the same can be said of Anytown,USA.
I enjoyed my time in Aruba and will go back one day.
Purplasia14 – Just a comment on your post .. “I can’t wait to see him speak live … ” – It sounds fairly obvious that you have a “crush” on Joran. This is nothing new mind you. Lots of women, young and old have “fallen” for criminals in the past, even married them while they’re in prison. Get your mind on some “good guy” ok? This punk has lied from day 1, and as far I’m concerned, I don’t believe anything he’s said since. Think logically for one minute about something .. if he lied from the beginning, do you really think he would actually tell the police the truth about what actually happenned that nite? Do you really think he would actually tell the police WHERE they took her? Only HE and the Kalpoes know where they took her that nite.
And you talk about no proof as well. The proof has been destroyed. If the police had held these 3 right off the bat as they should have for being the last 3 seen with her alive, and had the brains that real city police have, they would have uncovered evidence from their car, homes and possibly gotten a real confession. But they were let free till the 10th of June, giving them 10 days to get their stories straight and dispose of the “proof” that you say is missing and can’t convince you that Joran is guilty. Want to see guilty? Every picture I have seen of Joran has SOCIOPATH written all over it. It’s not his fault, it’s his parent’s fault for bringing this kid up on a party island and letting him do whatever he wanted. In my estimation, Joran is a victim of bad parenting.
This may sound a little extreme, but this is how the mafia gets things done … rather than have Joran interviewed so he can lie to the world and try to clear himself for his future, he should be interviewed by a few “goodfellas” in a soundproof room, with a video camera and a blowtorch. I’m sure that after the quick removal of one of his appendages, he’d be crying like a canary and the whole world would finally hear what actually happenned that nite.
In the meantime, he’s a spoiled little bastard that has been protected all during this affair. He’s off the Island now .. away from the Casinos and Party Bars … it was the only logical thing to do after he was released … RUN AWAY.
His sole purpose in life at this time, is to try and clear his name by continual lying. He’s a good liar, and will continue to be one.
Heads up Reward Says, Is that what you offering to someone to kill Joran Van der Sloot? I am sure the FBI will love this, they should be knocking at your door shortly.
Do you think this will make you a big hero? No, it won’t. You will be and are a criminal just for making a monetary offer for the life of another person. What you have just done is a federal offense.
NONE of these three young men should be allowed entry into the United States and just where they are needs to be investigated. and reported. this would NOT be a very good place for ANY of them to be. their corrput government, parents, and attorneys can protect them there but once they are here its open season on them. it would be ludicrous for any of the three of them or their parents to attempt to come to the Unites states now or on the future.
Quote”t is hard for me to believe three young men with no criminal record could pull of a perfect crime”
Yeah if that is the perfect crime then I am in the wrong biz. It was a bungled and I think attempt to cover up by the Aruba authorities. Inspecor Cluso could not have done a worse job. THe boys all lied, and they har van der sleazes father give them advice.
Sorry but they are all guilty , of that I am sure
Ya Pretender – where is your proof – he drugged her – there is no evidence of that at all – these date rape drugs – if they were used in CnC’s then she would not have been walking on her own out to the car – raped her – not if they were both drinking – and her own friends said she was coming on to him and had been pretty flirty and suggestively dancing in C n C and it appeared she was pretty into Joran – if they both had too much to drink that is not rape – that might be stupid – and he killed her – well there is absolutely no evidence of that at all – nothing!
Johanna
Umm “Never lied to their parents much less to the law. Had the highest of morals and treated their women as equals. Very honest kids that are model citizens of the island of Aruba.” Assuming that is so they sure as hell lied tro everyone else.
Also did you ever see his little web page where he calls himself a “PIMP”,? Hi general demeanor is one of someone that is full of himself. Lookat his body language…
I don’t care if she had sex with them voluntarily .. but where is she? What happened to her? THey know and they are responsible…
I am the FBI and big hero – TY for noticing. Please please please come and arrest me. FYI – A federal offense would be “I (insert your name here) WILL GIVE ANYONE WHO X’s JORAN VAN DER SLOOT 1 MILLION US DOLLARS”. And only if he is a US citizin. And only in direct context to the subject in the form of a clear verbal threat. Got a clue? Try actually reading every once in awhile.
joran and the kalpos along with papa van der sloot know what happened to Natalee holloway. They were there they admitted having sex with her while she was coming in and out of conciousness. That is called rape. No other way around that. Now do you honestly believe the last persons known to be with her, leave with her alive and raped her, would leave her alive so she could tell what happened to her. Do not be so gullable or niave. Why would they tell the truth now.. They had help in hiding her body till the could dispose of it. They are callus scums of the earth. Natalee is not around to defend herself or tell her side is she????? Can you guess why these scums are not scared to say what they do on tv for all the world tohear. Its because Natallee is not around or will be around to defend herself. The truth is clear take off your blinders…..
and for people who believe that she deservered to be raped and die for this you are just as moralless and sick as these scum……Noone deserves that. This family needsa closure , they deserve and so does Natalee. Lets give her the respect that these scum did not give her……………………………………………………………..
Jeannie (are you one of Jorans groupies?) Dont say lies on the Scared Monkeys website. What you said is false. I saw the interview on Greta with Natalie’s two friends and they NEVER said that Natalee flirted with Joran or went over to him. They said “Natalee introduced herself to everyone at the table including Joran who was there. She introduced herself in passing.” They said that Joran helped her win back her money at the table.
Of course you think the sex was consensual. You have your facts wrong and you probably have a crush on Joran.
jeannie Says:
September 26th, 2005 at 5:16 am
i was glad joran did the interview i believe it happened like he said
i dont think the sex was againist her will
if you seen the interview some of her friends said on the greta & diane diamond program then you know she was the one that went over to joran while he was gambling & hit on him
then when it came time for them to leave the two classmates motioned for natalee to come on —natalee waved told them to go & she was fine
i think the tapes were tampered with
dont you think if all this so called statements were true they would all be in jail——fact is there is no proof
it is hard for me to believe three young men with no criminal record could pull of a perfect crime
Jan- you’ve GOT to be kidding!
GUILTY AS HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
Jan is a RETARD!
Joran, The Barbarian,
The whole world knows that your are a scoundrel. You and your friends drugged Natalee and raped her while she was unconscious. She probably died of drug overdose and then your friends and your papa helped you get rid of the body. Perfect crime, and not because you are so smart. I hope that you burn in hell along with your friends.
After helping get rid of the body, your papa advised you to tell the whole world a fabricated story. Your whole life has become a one big lie. I hope that your Natalee’s mother haunts you throughout your life, since you have no conscious I couldn’t say that I hope that your conscious will haunt your whole life. Your father and your friends belong in the same category.
Good point Ljiljana … another trait of sociopathic people such as Joran are having no conscience … they convince themselves that they are RIGHT and that the victim and the rest of the world is WRONG … Joran is a good liar.
Mark my words … life will catch up with that little ” ” … and I don’t think it will take very long ….
Jim
Just a thought here … alot of you keep arguing whether NH was in or out of conciousness when and if she was raped or not etc etc … arguing whether it was her fault for being drunk and flirting … I’m only concerned with one thing here … It has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that NH was last seen with Joran, Deepak and Satish whe she left C&C’s …. she hasn’t been seen since. It’s simply legally logical that these three kids are responsible for her disappearance. All three have lied since day one about what really happenned to her. I just can’t believe that I see some people supporting these kids’ innocence in her disappearance.
This is for Bizman…you were on a previous blog and I left you a message tonight. I see you have returned from Aruba. Had a good time did ya? Am I missing something here? When I first started reading your account of your visit…I thought…so who cares whether he had a good time or not. The more I read…the sorrier I felt because in describing where you had gone…I sure didn’t see any glowing reviews.
What happened to your theory and your plans to search the hotel? Do you still think these 3 are innocent and it was her cousins??? You seem to have mellowed a bit after your vacation…good. I was much more “vocal” on my reply to some of your statements. I won’t go into them again here.
Let me understand this. You say Beth is not a detective and needs to stop what she’s doing. But its ok that you went down there and on this site…asked Dave to get the officials to search the hotel grounds, etc. because you feel it was the Twitty twins that could have done all of this. You have asked over and over…why they left. Could it be their parents made they return on their planned flight? I know I would have told my kids to get out of there…the police would handle it. And my kids had better listen to me. Why is it so suspicious to you that an entire group would go home as scheduled with one of them not there? I don’t see the connection.
I will agree with one thing you have said. Only one that I can think of. And that is yes…the kids should have all been questioned. Weren’t they questionned? If not…how is everyone stating that they told Natalee not to get in the car? Someone questionned someone. And if they weren’t questionned…isn’t this one more sign of how they have screwed up?
I have one last question for you. I can’t remember if you said it here…but you certainly said it on the other topic…that Natalee and Beth helped to bring this on themselves. My question is…it seems you mentioned you had 3 children. In their teens I believe. Did you take them with you to Aruba? If not…why not? If you did…where were they as you and your wife went around “investigating” the casinos and bars?
To Jim Hanson…unfortunately what is logical in law…is not necessarily legal. While we all “know” or “feel” these 3 are guilty…and in fact ARE guilty of raping her…legally…they will need to find additional evidence.
You can’t “legally” prosecute simply because they were the last person to see someone…but its enough normally to get the detectives and/or police involved. This rape was no one’s fault but the 3 animals involved. It wasn’t Natalee’s and it wasn’t Beth’s. Normally I would never blame the parents of a criminal…but in this case…because the parents are involved in the lies and cover up…yes…I do blame them.
But unfortunately…as for her murder…they need to find more. They will. At least they will if Beth is allowed to keep this going. Hindering the case???? No…keeping it in the public eye…yessssss. Don’t stop Beth. Don’t stop until YOU decide you need to. That day may come and I hope you can do it without any guilt in your heart. But until then…you keep standing tall for Natalee. If she is able to…she’s watching. My thoughts are with you.
In a country that let’s killers like O.J. Simpson and Robert Blake out of jail, in a country where thousands of murders go unsolved every year, you should pass any moral judgement to the authorities of Aruba, they have done the best they could with what they had, they had no physical evidence, no body, they cannot convict the man based on no evidence, we don’t even know if the girl is dead or alive yet, for all we know she may be outhere partying her ass off. Everybody is trying to make this girl look as if she was the virgen mary, when the fact is that she was a drunken girl that left the bar with three male friends that she just met a couple of nights ago, now i don’t condone the killing of anybody but you cannot put somebody in jail if you do not have any proof. So let’s try to fix our judicial system before we can go out and criticize Aruba’s system.
To Linda in L.A. — When three kids take a girl from a bar, and she disappears, they can be charged with kidnapping. If it turns to a homocide investigation, they CAN be tried and prosecuted for murder WITHOUT A BODY if the prosecution has enough evidence, which they didn’t. They ARE LOGICALLY responsible for her disappearance, for if NH had grabbed a cab back to the hotel that morning, she would be attending school in the States as we speak. And they ARE LEGALLY resonsible for her disappearance as well, but again, it seems painfully obvious that any real evidence never made it to the prosecution. There’s no sense getting into a semantic argument over what I said. You got my point. It’s very clear.
And it’s obvious that what has happenned since the most important factor in the case, day one, is now irrelevant. The proof of the pudding, as I’ve said before, not LEGALLY without evidence, is that these three conjured up stories to try and prove their innocence. They have continued to CHANGE the stories, more than once. If they WERE innocent, they would have told the truth to the police. Ask any criminal psychologist, any lawyer who has followed this case, and they will tell you the same thing. Guilty people lie to the police about their implications in a police matter such as this one. Innocent people don’t, unless they are brave enough to lie to cover for a friend.
My whole point Linda, is this; These kids are responsible for her disappearance. And the whole world knows it, including the Aruban police and the Aruban people. Any flak from the Aruban’s towards the American media and American’s in general have been purely political. They know what we’re talking about here.
I have not once said these kids raped her, murdered her … this is speculation. I’ll say it again .. They are RESPONSIBLE for her disappearance. The sad part to all this is that all three KNOW it, they KNOW what happenned that night, and they are hiding the truth from the Aruban police and anyone else that’s involved. Not ONE of these kids has publicly stated that they are sorry for NH’s Mother’s grief in her disappearance. In fact, since they’ve all been let totally free, they are now talking publicly to a point and the rude, disgusting comments they are making is simply to “SLAP” Beth right in the face for being in Aruba since day one with her doing her own investigating and having the media spread the news about what she found out, and THEN they were arrested because of it. Had Beth NOT gone to Aruba and stayed home, these kids never would have been arrested, and the kids know it. They have a total hatred towards Beth Twitty, and so does Joran’s parents. These kids are all free now, they are obviously confident enough with the knowledge that a body will never be found, for if they weren’t, they wouldn’t be saying a thing, as they are still “supposedly” suspects in this case. Face it. THEY know what we don’t.
Jim
They authorities of Aruba have done the best they could with what they had??? Hello…have you been asleep throughout all of this?
Bizman & his supporters … there may be hope for all of you – it’s called Prozac. Slim chance but you should try it ….. or at least get a check-up from the neck up.
The 4 Aruban (edit) (includes PVDS) have been on a non-stop lying binge since May 30th – that is an indisputable fact!!
And, what has happened to Freddie, the porno CD salesman who delights in vidoetaping & gang raping drugged underaged girls, reportedly with the help of the Cowpoop bros & jvds? Is rape not a crime in Aruba?
The Aruban oligarchy sure did quash the Freddie connection in a hurry – not another word. What gives? Is he still under arrest? NO WORD, but I doubt it.
The handling of the NH case flunks the “sniff test” & thoroughly reeks of COVER-UP!!
Aruba, prove us skeptics wrong.
Linda,
Is there any of the kool-aid left or did you drink it all???
I sure did have a wonderful time in Aruba and would go back anytime.
I certainly do have 3 teenagers who were left in the care of their grandmother while I was away.If they were not currently in school I would have taken them to Aruba.But they would have been supervised just as they have always been supervised whether we are at home,in Florida,the Bahamas or any other place that they have gone.
Will I let them go to Aruba alone when they become of age.Well I dont think I could stop a person of age from going anywhere.What I can tell you is I will never finance a trip to Aruba or any other party destination.
Yeah I looked around the grounds of the HI and everywhere else that I went while in Aruba and asked a lot of questions but what I found out was most people there were just busy living their lives and going about their business pretty much the same thing everyone in other place does.Yes other places in the world exist where crimes remain unsolved but life does go on.
Why are you so convinced that Beth is spot on on everything she says or really what she speculates on any given day?What if she is wrong?What if?What if?What if?
So Linda you seem to be convinced that she was murdered.Dont you think there needs to be just a little bit of proof to substantiate that???
Sorry Jim…I didn’t notice your post when I replied to eric. You are right…no sense arguing semantics. My point was someone is not guilty…just because they were the last person to be seen with a victim. It sounds to me that you and I pretty much agree on everything and I’m more than happy to say that to you. You CAN be prosecuted on just about anything that the DA feels you are guilty of. Conviction is something different. I don’t believe there is a court around who would convict these animals based solely on the fact that they left the bar with her.
I believe a little differently than you also as to whether they raped her. They have admitted having sex with her while she moved in and out of consciousness. That is rape…clear and simple. Murder…who knows. I believe she is dead. Whether intentionally or accidentally…it is still murder. But for that one…I don’t know…so am not pointing fingers here.
I’ll say one thing Jim…I want to thank you for answering my entry and doing it in an intelligent rationale manner. You stated what you believed and why you believed it…I respect that. I don’t have to agree with it…but it is what I’m looking for in reading here. Everyone can and should read and think about they hear. I want to…I just get so frustrated over the same people…saying the same accusations…with absolutely no backup or research. None of us have the power to actually solve this crime…of course we don’t…I think in some small way it gives us some way to cope with it.
Its a horrible crime…and to then read when people are attacking the parents…I want to scream. Thanks for your voice of reason.
To Linda – L.A. — excuse me, “They, authorities of Aruba have done the best they could with what they had” …. to whom are you referring to in regards to this quote? Twasn’t I …
I’m not sure who said this, and I’d almost love to talk about what I’ve learned about the Aruban investigative skills involved in the NH case, but sadly, I’d be here for 6 hours, typing about information that is seemingly no longer important in this case. It’s quite obvious, in Aruba anyway, that this case has been swept up with the rest of the trash from this island and thrown away. It’s a sad thing to say and think about.
An even sadder thing that sits rather sour in this big stinking controversial mess, is Beth Twitty and her future. I, as a father of two grown children in their twenties, stand in awe before Beth Twitty. I’ve often thought of myself in a situation identical to this .. and what I would have done. As a father, as an adult human being, it’s so easy to see how much this woman loves her daughter. I really think that if this was ME, instead of her, I would have to be restrained during any public announcement or interview through the media. I’ve wondered, at times with my jaw dropping, how this poor mother manages to be so diplomatic .. (You know, I’m having a real tough time typing this) .. People manage personal disaster so differently. I really know how I would try to manage with this sort of loss and to tell you the truth, I’m really afraid to tell anyone here about it. It’s personal.
I don’t want to go any further here. I just sadly feel that this is the time for Beth Twitty to start preparing for closure. I don’t want to start any debate here, but I know as a parent, that if I was in her position and at this juncture of this missing persons case, the healthiest thing for me would be to start carrying on with my life, with the hope that something, perhaps miraculous, would happen in the future to change this case.
I really feel that at this time, there is nothing she can legally do to change the status of this case. I think it’s fairly obvious that this case will be drifting in the doldrums from here on in.
I think what I’m trying to say here is that a parent must succumb to exhaustive times like this .. not give up, but grab their roots and hang on to what they have left after a horrible thing like this. It has to happen at some time. I admire Beth Twitty. In fact, I wish I could meet her … hug her to death. There is nothing that can compare to motherly love. Absolutely nothing.
Wow to Jim Hanson. No…sorry…wasn’t referring to you when I re-quoted that statement. For some reason…probably to monitor the entries…some of the entries seem to appear later. Either that or I’m just missing them. That was a lovely entry Jim…and I agree with you as to Beth that it would be healthiest for her to begin letting go…but that has absolutely got to be her call…not Americas. And you are right…I don’t want to begin a debate about it either…its just how I feel. Thanks once again Jim for your calm voice of reason in here. Sounds like you are a very nice man…and an excellent father.
Well bizman…here we go again huh? Let’s see…koolaid??? Is that the best you can come up with??? Okkkkkkk…shaking my head. You are a very confused man. First you say you would have taken your children with you…then you say you couldn’t stop them when they come of age…and then you say you would never finance a trip to Aruba or any other party destination. Which is it????
Where in the world have you ever read an entry by me that says I think Beth is right about everything she says??? What I have said if you would bother to read and comprehend is that I think she has the right to follow every lead she has been given. I have even said I don’t believe all her statements are what I believe to be proven or true. That does not take away from her right to follow them.
Again bizman…I think someone has been into the koolaid…but its sure not me. You post entries saying its the Twitty twins…with absolutely no evidence…and no one else at least that I’ve seen that supports you…and you sit there and ask me where’s the evidence that it was the 3 boys? They are supplying the evidence with each passing day. Could I be wrong…could Beth be wrong. As I’ve said in other posts…that I KNOW you have read in here…sureeeeee…anything is possible. Absolutely it is. I have said I for one will not commit to saying they murdered Natalee…but raped her…absolutely. I even draw the line at saying they drugged her…because although they took advantage of her going in and out of consciousness (their words…not mine or Beth’s)…it could have been someone else who did that. It could have been just alcohol…it could have been Natalee herself. You see…I don’t just make up a story and make it gospel.
I’ll ask you bizman…can you be as open?? Can you stop judging a mother and daughter and saying they brought it on themselves? And lastly…its not my place to ask anyone not to express their opinins or thoughts in here…and I wouldn’t even if it was my place…but can you tonight when your daughter gets home…go in and look at her…and thank god she is ok???
ERIC is the one quoted this statement .. “The Aruban police did the best they could with what they had”.
You know Eric, I don’t know how much attention you’ve paid to this case, probablt not enough, but I have to agree with your statement. This may sound a little funny, but let me quickly explain.
Every law firm in North America has discussed this case in passing and in their spare time … I’ve read more than once that the general consensus of these lawyers feel that one of two things happenned when the Three Muskateers were first questioned by police after finding out that the last known location NH was at that nite was C & C’s, and that they left the bar with these three …
A) The police knew who Joran was, as the island is tiny and has a population close to 100,000 people, making it a large town or very small city, and simply believed what he told them about that nite, including the security guards, and jusy let them go. The article also stated that in the U.S., the simple fact of the three having taken her away from the bar and her never returnin anywhere, was enough evedidence to HOLD the three for further questioning and acquire search warrants from a judge.
B) The police force in Aruba is very poorly trained, which could perhaps be the reason for A.
You’re right, they did the best with what they had. Unfortunately, what they have is either corrupt, and or poorly trained.
Had well trained police handled this from the first day, I think there are thousands upon thousands of lawyers who would gladly tell you that this case would NOT be where it is today.
Jim in response to A, it was enough evidence to hold them under US law, Aruban police acted according to Aruban law, why is it so hard for americans to realize tht different countries have different justice systems, the american way is not the only way!!!
I’m sorry to disappoint you Eric, but you are wrong. This article I was quoting from was in reagrds to Aruban law. These boys could have been arrested as suspects in her disappearance the FIRST day the police talked to them. Instead, they arrested the two security guards as suspects because of Joran’s “heresay LIE”. The boys were arrested June 10th for suspicion in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.
Why do you think this case is where it is right now and why there has been so much controversy over it? One simple reason. These boys SHOULD have been arrested immediately instead of ten days later.
Better get your facts straight Eric.
The case is where is at today because of all the media attention and the hunger of people like you to find van der sloot guilty, look it took the FBI 30 years to catch the btk killer , so why can’t we give the Aruban authorities the propper time to conduct their investigations instead of criticizing them through every step of the process, maybe some mistakes were made, so what, there is mistakes made on numerous cases every day accross america,
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van der sloot is the liar, a crimial with no heart. I believe his daddy knows also. the 3 are responsible for natelee’s dissappearance, and they should be in prison.
somethg will come of this I do not know when it will but it will, and they will be behind bars where they belong they are rapists. van der sloot gets the victim them they all 3 use her and get rid of her, They will do it again if ever together again. the pattern will not change. they are guilty predators.
It really amazes me that these creeps less than human forms have been allowed to lie / change their stories many times and have a case closed. Someone needs to slit each hand and foot and throw them overboard. A girl would have to be drunk to ever leave with those freaky creeps. They look like monsters and they are monsters.
When are people going to start to place some accountability onto the reason Natalee is missing? It is her conduct alone that allowed anything negative to have happened to her. She was proven to be a drunken druggie.
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SM: You have proven to be a horse’s a$$. She has not been proven to be anything except in your vile, blame the victim mind. JVDS walks around getting caught on tape smoking pot and some how the victim is the druggie. You are a sad pathetic soul.
So every person that goes in a bar or a college party should be taken and killed? Is that what you are saying? Funny … Joe Tacopina has another client, Imette St Guillen, who was older than Natalee and was kidnapped and murdered with the exact same set of circumstances.
You blame the criminal … not the victim. But in your sick, black soul I guess she was asking for it.
R