Joran Van der Sloot Eats Cake & Drinks Coffee as he Ponders What to do with Stephany Flores after Murder


So is this Joran Van der Sloot’s version of  … “Let them eat cake?”

Make no mistake about it, Joran Van der Sloot killed Stepany Flores; however, the manner in which he confesses to has much to be disbelieved. In short, he is lying through his crumb filled, espresso stained teeth.


How much of a psychopath could Joran Van der Sloot possibly be? Is the world beginning to understand, (Hint: Aruba/Holland) how void of conscience that this punk truly is? It is reported in the NY Post that right after Joran Van der Sloot killed 21 year old Stephany Flores and her body laid there lifeless and bloodied with a broken neck … Joran Van der Sloot ate cake and sipped Esspresso pondering what to do with her body. Are you kidding? What is this, like a seen out of The Dark Knight and the Joker.

He’s the very portrait of a cold-blooded killer.

Chilling new details from Joran van der Sloot’s confession to cops reveal he sat on the edge of his hotel bed in Lima, Peru, sipping espresso and munching on cake just minutes after savagely killing a local woman whose body lay on the floor.

As he noshed on his post-murder breakfast early on May 30, van der Sloot — long suspected of murdering Alabama teen Natalee Holloway in Aruba five years ago that very day — tried to figure out what to do with Stephany Flores’ bloodied corpse.

As blood oozed from her head — and as one of her eyes dangled out of a socket — he ate four sponge cakes.

Interesting what Joran Van der Sloot’s options were this time, now that he was not in Aruba, he did not have Papa Sloot to call, he was not in Aruba and the victims name was not Natalee Holloway. As we would later come to see, the outcome of the two crimes was decidedly much different. With Natalee Holloway we had a cover up and never any prosecution of the crime and in Peru we see a captured fugitiveand a confession to murder.

Oh but wait, when it came time to figure out what to do with Stepany Flres’ body Joran Van der Sloot also felt the need to pop
three amphetamine pills to stay alert and ward off the exhaustion he felt from playing poker with Flores at a nearby casino into the early-morning hours.

But apparently, the caffeine and sugar buzz wasn’t enough, van der Sloot told Peruvian detectives, according to La Republica newspaper in Lima. So he popped three amphetamine pills to stay alert and ward off the exhaustion he felt from playing poker with Flores at a nearby casino into the early-morning hours.


This is exactly the point that we have made all along with regards to Joran Van der Sloot’s confession to the crime. He is lying through his teeth as to how it occurred. Keep in mind, there is no question that he killed her; however, his description of the crime is BS. So let us understand this, Joranneeded  three amphetamine pills to stay awake to ponder how to get rid of her body? Which begs the obvious question … WHY WAS JORAN VAN DER SLOOT UP IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!The answer is YOU WOULD NOT BE!!! If they pulled themselves in at 5am there is no way that Joran Van der Sloot would have gone to get coffee for two as he claims in his confession only to come back and see that Stephany Flores was “invading his privacy”.  So of course the next normal thing woudl be is to kill her. Oh, that makes sense.

A note to Aruban law enforcement and the prosecutors office, just because Joran Van der Slootlied how they killed Natalee Holloway, does not mean that they did not kill Natalee Holloway. A lie in how a victim was killed does not absolve one from murder.

Is it any wonder why Joran Van der Sloot’s attorney does not want “the Sporter” to reenact the crime?

There are many who do not believe the full confession of Joran Van der Sloot as discussed by Pat Brown, criminal profiler on Nancy Grace.

LALAMA: Pat Brown, criminal profiler and author, “The Profiler: My Life Hunting Serial Killers and Psychopaths.” you know these kind of guys. This guy lies — lies, lies, lies. How — a confession, to me, really doesn`t mean much because he seem to get a lot of torment out of messing with people, for lack of a harsher word.

PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER: Right, Pat. And I will agree with you. This confession, to me, is going to be a lie. This is going to be him telling a story to get the lightest sentence possible. I would love to see that re-enactment because I don`t buy his stupid story that he got that upset because she happened to know his name and wanted to leave the room and all that lies about she slapped him, so then he had to kill her. Bull. I don`t believe it.

I think it was a sexual assault. I think they should be looking for signs of a sexual assault. Even if he didn`t try to sexually assault her through sexual intercourse, he may have been forcing her into oral sex because there are signs on her body that may have been what he was trying to do.

Make no mistake about it, Joran Van der Sloot knows there is DNA evidence and he is trying to lessen his prison sentence with his confession. If you need to take three amphetamine pills to keep yourself up to decide how to get rid of your victim’s body … why would you have been getting up in the first place to get coffee for two. Oh that’s right, Joran is just a gentleman and a hopeless romantic … sacrcasm intended.

Formal charges against Joran Van der Sloot are expected soon.

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    90 Responses to “Joran Van der Sloot Eats Cake & Drinks Coffee as he Ponders What to do with Stephany Flores after Murder”

    1. Lisa in Maryland on June 10th, 2010 8:36 am

      Roxy #82, from previous post

      I agree there are some things that just don’t fit or maybe I’m not getting it either.

      I’ve read that he was out of money (except for what he stole from Stephany and some currency from other counties) and he is saying he was afraid to leave with his luggage (Stephaney’s body in a bag) because he would be stopped because he owed on his hotel bill. – This is what Joran said.

      The Hotel said they didn’t check the room because Joran requested No room service. I think it took them 3 days.

      I find it rather odd that the hotel didn’t perform a lock out after the bill was unpaid for 1 day! I’ve worked in many hotels and that is the normal procedure. Also most hotels do not go with out a daily room check even when the customer requests no room service for the very reason that people are sometimes found dead in hotels rooms.

      The second thing I find very odd is that No on heard anything – yet Joran describes a struggle during his Rage?

      The third thing I find odd is that they show video of what he is wearing when he & Stephany enter the room together and Video of him leaving the room with his luggage.

      Where is the video of him coming and going with the coffee? The Video Camera was right outside his door.

    2. Pearl on June 10th, 2010 8:44 am

      Joran states that Stephaney wanted to “leave”, and that he stopped her.

      That’s IMPRISONMENT.
      That’s aggravated kidnapping.

      He INTENDED to murder Stephaney.

    3. Pearl on June 10th, 2010 8:49 am

      How glaring are the facts that when honorable, integrity-driven, ethical police are involved in investigating a heinous crime inflicted upon an innocent child, that there will be no LAW-ENFORCEMENT ACCESSORIES TO STEPHANEY’S VICIOUS and BRUTAL MURDER – because dishonorable men like Van der Straaten, and his corrupt conspirators are NOT involved in Stephaney’s case to TAMPER with the statements made by the depraved mind that stole her life away and left her helpless dying on the floor.

      JORAN CAN’T ERASE HIS “DECLARATIONS”…and change what he said.

      If Joran had not deprived Stephaney of her freedom to leave, Stephaney would be alive right now.

      How’s Natalee’s voice feeling around your throat, Joran?

    4. kiltie on June 10th, 2010 8:49 am

      I have a theory on why the FBI didn’t act on arresting Van der Sloot right away in Aruba on extortion. Joran, when making the deal for money with Beth, was quoted as saying “since the statute was about to run”. Perhaps Aruba has a statute of limitations on murder of 5 years, whereas in the U.S. there is no statute on murder. Perhaps the FBI was waiting until May 30th, when Joran thought he would be free and clear, to arrest him on extortion, bring him to the U.S., then charge him with murder here in the States. Again, some crook in Aruba alerted Joran to “get out of Dodge” prior to May 30th.

    5. Lisa in Maryland on June 10th, 2010 8:50 am

      We all know we can’t count on Joran the sociopathic murdering liar to tell the truth in a confession.

      The reenactment is a crucial part in determining the state of the evidence.

      I surly wish the Peruvian officials do not make a mistake here as it can be costly.

      Joran will say anything to trip up the investigation.

    6. Tim on June 10th, 2010 8:56 am

      It perturbs me to read that while he is in custody he is being given steaks and cigarettes upon request. It makes me sick that he has any enjoyment what so ever out of life. I say remove all his teeth now and let him eat the rest of his meals thru a straw.

    7. Lisa in Maryland on June 10th, 2010 9:08 am

      This is such a game to him the attention, the lies and I read this morning in the AP:

      He told the AP in an interview Wednesday evening that the 6-foot-3 (190-centimeter-tall) Van der Sloot, 22, impressed investigators with both his intelligence and brutality.

      Guardia – Don’t let him fool you!

      Van der Sloot is also getting plenty to eat, Guardia said. “If he wants a steak we give him a steak … If he wants a cigarette we give him cigarettes.”

      Why should he be given “Special Treatment” Big Mistake!

      Then….. “The incriminatory elements were so powerful that he had to confess,” said Guardia.

      Guardia – Don’t let him fool you!

      I sincerely hope the Peruvian officials are not falling for his crap!

      Also … Peruvian interrogators restricted their questioning of Van der Sloot to the case of Flores.

      Which means we may not find out anything about Natalee!

      The Neitherland’s needs to reopen the Holloway case and make this an international murder case!

    8. kaye on June 10th, 2010 9:13 am

      lisa, all good questions. i believe the Peruvian LE has more than enough evidence to fry his butt. they have other videos. i think they are releasing them one at a time. i saw the one this morning of joran and stephany in the casino and them leaving together. IF there is one of him getting coffee, it will appear. could be something joran made up. the convenience store DID NOT have cameras.
      remember who we are dealing with-The Ultimate Liar, Joran VDS. but also remember, there is a new player in town-Peru. I believe that he has come to the end of his pitiful, deranged life. this is not the cowardly Aruba or the slack US FBI. He is dealing with the Peruvian LE now. they don’t play “homie’s” games. watch and wait. they peruvian LE is total opposite from aruban LE. honor and dignity go hand in hand with the badge they wear. also, i’ve said before, even if he gets released on some technicality, the Flores family and all thier connections, will NEVER let Joran breathe one breath of free air. if he is released, as soon as he hits the sidewalk, he’s maggot food.

    9. Lisa in Maryland on June 10th, 2010 9:14 am


    10. gail on June 10th, 2010 9:30 am

      alot of things dont make sense, why was she in just her underwear. she is reportedly a lesbian she is not going to sleep with joran, did he drug her. she wake up and start to fight. I think the coffee was a cover up. I think she was killed before he went for coffee. Was her dna on coffee cup, had she drank any? we all know he is a liar, bet the story changes just like in aruba, hopefully the peru police will not fall for it. Dna on stephany’s body needs to be done.

    11. chandu on June 10th, 2010 9:35 am

      I also wondered about why the hotel security video of him going for coffee (if he in fact did go) wasn’t released.

      Which set of clothes was he wearing? Was it those he was wearing upon arrival with Stephany or his departure set?

      I thought (read) he had his room paid in advance and gave instructions not to enter.

      Doubt he was broke. When initially asked if he had credit cards, he said they were left in his hotel room in Chile. He had seen the news reports (tv or paper?) and felt it was to dangerous to return.

      Did he take all of Stephany’s ID and not just the money? If so, maybe he was hoping they wouldn’t identify the body (the excessive facial damage) until after he was long gone. Doubt he factored in the hotel security video or who her family was.

      Did wonder about the noise, but she may never have seen it coming. How sad.

      Wish a check up on his past stays would be done. Guessing if he paid by credit card a trail would be easy enough to follow.

    12. chandu on June 10th, 2010 9:40 am

      One other item. Wouldn’t it be interesting to see a list of his calls after murdering Stephany? Guessing he had a cell phone. Also, copies of his e-mails and replies received during this period.

    13. wolfgang on June 10th, 2010 9:49 am

      #6 Tim…how horrible and delicious!!!My thoughts exactly.

    14. Pearl on June 10th, 2010 9:57 am


      It is sheer ignorance for anyone to suggest that Natalee’s brutally victimized family should somehow have a divining rod to foresee that the CYCLOPS FROM ARUBA, WHO WAS SET FREE TO HARM OTHER INNOCENT YOUNG GIRLS DUE TO POLICE CORRUPTION IN ARUBA – - that Natalee’s family should somehow be able to foresee the sheer EVIL coming that Joran would intentionally inflict yet again on Stephaney.

      HELLO, DOES THIS SOUND LIKE THE SAME FILTH THAT CAME OUT OF ARUBA, WHEN NATALEE AND HER BEAUTIFUL FAMILY WERE BEING RE-VICTIMIZED BY THE UNCONSCIONABLE OF ARUBA? Only this time, the ignorant want to now blame, not only Natalee’s family, but the United States and the FBI.
      If this doesn’t give you an insight into the depravity in Aruba and sheer corruption operative on that island, nothing will. They’d rather blame the FBI than take responsibility for their COLLUSION and CORRUPTION in OBSTRUCTING JUSTICE, and REFUSING TO INVESTIGATE THE CRIMINALS THEY KNEW HAD KIDNAPPED AND MURDERED NATALEE.

      To the ignorant journalists who may not have taken the time to learn the facts, or INVESTIGATE THE TRUTH – DO YOUR DAMN JOB, and stop pointing the finger at the FBI as though they were responsible for this FELON, this DEPRAVED, UNCONSCIONABLE MURDERER. The MSNBC reporter asks whether OUR FBI – has jurisdiction in Aruba to arrest the same murderer who inflicted egregious harm upon Natalee AND HER FAMILY, yet – WHERE ARE YOUR QUESTIONS FOR ARUBA, REGARDING THE JURISDICTION THEY HAD FIVE YEARS AGO TO ARREST THIS MONSTER? Do your job, journalists – please. If not for the sake of honoring your duty to serve the public and keep them informed of the TRUTH, then do it simply because it’s the RIGHT THING TO DO.

    15. gail on June 10th, 2010 10:14 am

      another thing, he says he sat on the edge of bed drinking his coffee enjoying his biscuit, trying to figure out what to do with her body, wasnt it reported the mattress was ascue, room a mess,joran is a liar, i just dont think this is the real story.
      why would stephany have her clothes off, only underwear on, she was on her monthly, you meet a guy, you dont feel that comfortable to do that. i just think his coffee theory is kind of out there, would love to see the tape of him entering room with coffee cups? keep stephany and natalie in our prayers. Justice for them both. anita go back to aruba where you have all your posse.

    16. kaye on June 10th, 2010 10:22 am

      just read on CNN that JVDS attorney is asking the judge to “strike” his confession. appears that he did not have legal representation at the time of the confession. Peru does not need a confession. videos, dna, and the “family”.
      mama nita is wasting her $$ and this attorney is wasting his time. joran VDS has met his waterloo.

    17. Lisa in Maryland on June 10th, 2010 10:26 am

      Simple speculation:

      They were tired after the casino and his hotel room was close by so they went there to sleep. (She looked tired walking in). she took off her pants to sleep in her t-shirt & panties. (this is how they found her)

      He figured he would rob her of her winnings while she slept. She woke up – A struggle issued. He killed her.

      Now he has to cover up so he goes for coffee and biscotti’s. Hoping he will be noticed and someone will give him an alibi. It doesn’t pan out – (I’m just dying to see the video of him leaving & returning with coffee).

      He goes back to the hotel – thinking he can say someone broke in while he was gone and robbed the girl but realized that wouldn’t work.

      He packs and leaves and formulates the Natalee Information lie because the one single thing that Joran blames for the ruin of his life is Natalee! (The Aruban people backed him when he lied about Natalee so maybe the Peruvian people will also.)

      He takes Stephany’s car and drives it away so they will look for her closer to where the car is thus buying him time to get out of town.

      #12 – I am wondering the same – did he make any calls even from his cell phone? Since the FBI was on his tail for extortion wouldn’t they have privy to that info?

    18. NGBoston on June 10th, 2010 10:42 am

      First of all, read between the lines. We shouldn’t be hasty to jump all over the FBI when they were setting up the sting to catch Joran in the act of Extortion.

      There are a lot of grey areas when LE approaches situations like this that the general public is not privy to. We don’t know all the facts. Did the FBI drop the ball by not apprehending Joran on the spot after yet another confession about the crime in Aruba in 2005? It’s not as easy as one may think to simply slap the cuffs on someone and lock him up. The FBI has to apprehend a suspect with more than a suspicion to make charges stick in front of a Judge when Joran actually is prosecuted.

      While there are many questions, IMO the FBI was still working on an “open & on-going investigation” which was the disappearnce and subsequent Murder of Natalee Holloway. A big factor that always comes in to play is jurisdiction.

      In a sense, it is almost like the FBI’s hands are tied to a certain extent when the crimes in question were committed on the Island of Aruba and by a Dutch Citizen. If they have no jurisdiction to prosecute, this is where all the red-tape and legal wrangling comes in.

      Since Beth Holloway is an American Citizen- extortion is against the law, and by doing so and then Joran wiring and receiving the funds- he is caught red handed and thus, the official charges.

      Either way—time and time again we see Aruban officials looking the other way and using every legal loophole they are able to under Dutch/Netherlands law to give the evil little Sporter some more wiggle room.

      Anita best have some pension and retirement funds handy in her bank account—she is going to need them. She has many years of Attornies fees to fork over for the Sporter. He is not going anywhere this time. First, he will serve time in Peru when he is sentenced formally. Then, he will have the Extortion charges in the US to deal with.

      A Narcissist is too greedy not to think of themselves and the remains of his life after he is released in his 50′s one day. I think the Holloways should follow suit with Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown’s families and take legal action to avoid this Monster from profiting over potential movie and books rights which entail the 2 murders he has committed. He probably already has that in the work, the conniving POS.

      ******* JUSTICE FOR NATALEE & STEPHANY ******

    19. Lynn Darr on June 10th, 2010 10:49 am

      If Stephany was on Joran’s computer doing research. the computer will have the evidance of use in the history. the time and date will be established. If it dosn’t exist, it didn’t happen.

    20. Lisa in Maryland on June 10th, 2010 10:52 am

      I just thought of something but it will take a while for the truth of it to come out in the investigation.

      Joran says Stephany was on his computer and found things about Natalee.

      The Peruvian officials have a time line of about 4 hours so when they finish the forensic search on the hard drive they will be able to see in detail what files were opened.

      I think that Joran lied about Stephany finding info on Natalee on his laptop to cover up his initial crime of robbing her while she slept and a log of the hard drive will prove he lied in his confession!

    21. Mike on June 10th, 2010 10:58 am

      Peruvian news reports claim there was only one coffee cup found in the room resulting with the conclusion that he made his food run AFTER he killed her – which negated his blame the victim motive of her being at fault for causing his rage.

    22. Polly on June 10th, 2010 11:18 am

      He’s closer to the Talented Mr. Ripley than to the Joker.

    23. Brenda on June 10th, 2010 11:27 am

      gail, yes and yea. I do remember Natalee’s underwear was supposedly able to be described by I think it was Satish??? Hmmm. Was that a rumour or something brought into a statement at some point?

      My guess is she wanted to leave..not go “see sharks”. No doubt a way Urin (let’s call him “the boy” as he calls his victims “the girl”)…a-hem, the BOY used that story as a way to simply get her out there. Gotta remember lairs love to think they are spinning and controlling and it gives them a little thrill up the leg to think they are getting away with something coy/in your face.

      The boy is truly the face of evil.

      As for Peru getting it wrong, they don’t want to. No doubt they see what the world thinks of Aruba thx to those low-lifes in high places. They don’t want any part of that in there country. Letting the world believe a loser like that boy would be allowed to commit murder and go globe-trotting? Perish the thought! They don’t want that, no way.

    24. Brenda on June 10th, 2010 11:28 am

      ANYONE in here hear anything at all of when the estimated time of death was? Or did her body lay too long for a good timeline putting her as deceased while the boy got his munchies for breakfast?

    25. Brenda on June 10th, 2010 11:31 am

      Dear Chandu,

      I’m a small woman myself. The boy is a big tub of junk of certainly twice Flores size. ONE hit to her face would have rendered her incapable of responding. EXTREMELY sad…but if true he hit her so hard it knocked her eye out of the socket, she may have been dead first punch with the elbow. I’m sorry to be graphic, but that is a HARD blow and probably was fatal in itself. They say the broken neck, but even if so the blow more than likely would have killed her if he just left her lay at that point. What an evil boy.

    26. super dave on June 10th, 2010 11:42 am

      just as i figured, baby sloot is being fed
      steak and cigarettes. he’s going to walk out
      of this smelling like a rose.
      he’s already fooled the cops in peru and will be retracting his statements as soon as mama sloot
      gets that attorney to peru.
      i hope they have good evidence or he may walk.
      he and his father spent many years training how to fool the cops and aruba and had success. i’m sure he’s using these same tactics in peru.

    27. Jajouka on June 10th, 2010 12:05 pm

      This is directed to Arlene Ellis-Schipper:

      Arlene, congratulations!

      You, in no small part, did your very best to help obfuscate the facts of this case to the American public and the world stage.

      In all your eranestness, promulgated by deceit and falsehoods, you did your very best and allowed a killer to kill again.

      I just have one question for you – when you walk the streets of your inbred island, when you look down at your hands, do you think you have washed them hard enough … you know … to get all that blood off them?

      You can not discern why he is being held in jail and treated like a that way? That is because … you do not understand their laws.

    28. wolfgang on June 10th, 2010 12:11 pm

      26 SDave…I don’t think he will walk here and should that be the case, I think he would walk into a waiting bullet or knife from victim’s family assistant.

    29. Lisa in Maryland on June 10th, 2010 12:32 pm

      No way will he walk but we may never know the truth of what really happened to Stephany or to Natalee and that my friends is what this egotistical narcissistic murdering parasite thrives on!

    30. Kathleen Yow-Wells on June 10th, 2010 12:36 pm

      If Joran went out to get coffee/cake and came back to find her on his computer, wouldn’t the surveillance cameras have caught his leaving/coming?

    31. Maggie on June 10th, 2010 12:46 pm

      It was reported yesterday, Joran was wearing the same clothes when he went for coffee, that he had on when he entered the hotel with Stephany.

      I don’t blame the FBI for anything that happened in Peru.. Joran has and had enough enablers. Always someone else’s fault.

      Greta did a lot for Natalee’s case from Aruba.. She brought a lot of publicity for it. Then, she started doing all politics stuff for the most part and started sounding like a defense attorney in Natalee’s case. Really tuned out and didn’t watch anymore, until she started covering this again. She was inclined to believe Joran? After he just lied the week or 2 before on 20/20? Blaming the FBI now? If the guy was in Aruba commiting extortion.. on tape..and you only need strong suspicion, why would they not arrest him in Aruba? I still don’t watch her, unless it’s an update on this and then I don’t watch all those. Big special she had this weekend, was just a repeat of her interview with him in Thailand.

      When Joran said he sat and thought about what to do with Stephany’s body.. Suitcase in the sea..but didn’t know where to get one, made me think, that is what happened to Natalee, and worked before.

      Joran is not gonna walk this time. Peru is not going to turn him loose, he killed one of their own. Joe T went quiet..probably talking to Joran’s private attorneys..

      Now they are saying there will be a re-enactment at some time.. on HLN.. Joran’s attorney saying he didn’t have proper representation at his confession.. he wants the confession thrown out. They will go to trial. Joran’s attorney is worried about his safety. Police have said they will put him in with low level offenders.

      How can he claim, he was cuckoo?..sat down and thought about what to do with her body, dyed his hair, stole her money, and got out of Peru.

      Was a woman on one of the shows last night who said she thinks it was an attempt at sexual assault..oral sex..based on the injuries on Stephany’s.

    32. flippy on June 10th, 2010 12:57 pm

      #26 : “just as i figured, baby sloot is being fed
      steak and cigarettes. ”

      That doesn’t mean anything. He hasn’t been charged, so there would be certain expectations of hospitality. The “steak” he is getting is probably of prison quality, its not like they are running out to a steak house for him.

    33. Lisa in Maryland on June 10th, 2010 12:57 pm

      Peru save your money on that Psych Evaluation…..“Narcissistic Sociopath”

      NARSISTIC – Definition
      1. Merriam-Webster’s Medical Dictionary defines narcissistic personality disorder as “characterized especially by an exaggerated sense of self-importance, persistent need for admiration, lack of empathy for others, excessive pride in achievements, and snobbish, disdainful, or patronizing attitudes.”

      People with this disorder are characterized as being self-absorbed; they tend to think they are better than everyone else. They brag about their accomplishments and feel entitled to special treatment. They think nothing of taking advantage of others to get what they want or feel they deserve. They may be unemotional and uninterested in the lives of others or they may exhibit extreme jealousy towards others.


      Many mental health professionals suspect that this personality disorder is the result of parenting extremes, although there is conclusive evidence of this. Overly pampering a child or pushing others to recognize a child as special or important could be a root cause. Another cause could be the result of neglect or an abusive upbringing. Narcissistic personality disorder is usually recognized in early adulthood.


      1. Glibness and Superficial Charm

      2. Manipulative and Conning
      They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.

      3. Grandiose Sense of Self
      Feels entitled to certain things as “their right.”

      4. Pathological Lying
      Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.

      5. Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
      A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.

      6. Shallow Emotions
      When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.

      7. Incapacity for Love

      8. Need for Stimulation
      Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.

      9. Callousness/Lack of Empathy
      Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others’ feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.

      10. Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
      Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.

      11. Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency – Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet “gets by” by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.

      12. Irresponsibility/Unreliability
      Not concerned about wrecking others’ lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.

      13. Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
      Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts.

      14. Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle – Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.

      15. Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
      Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.

    34. Katerina on June 10th, 2010 1:16 pm

      In repeatedly rewinding the video of Urine leaving the hotel the morning of the murder, I am noticing someone who appears to be sleeping at a computer behind what appears to be the hotel front desk. Am I seeing this wrong? My biggest query is if Urine owed a hotel bill, why did this person, who appears to be a hotel employee, not stop him? If the person was awake maybe that pig would have been stopped on the spot. I cant even think of anything bad enough to call him, it seems like such an insult to pigs!

    35. Angela on June 10th, 2010 1:17 pm

      It is reported Stephany is a lesbian and was on her period at the time of her murder. It is inconsistent for a lesbian to want to “take off her pants” for a man, especially during her period. It is consistent that she would fight hard to prevent penetration from a man. I hope the Peruvian officials have taken a mouth swab of Stephany for traces of oral copulation.

      What about these tidal charts found in his possession? Sounds familiar to the possible disposition of Natalee Holloway. Were these charts purchased post Stephany’s murder or before?

    36. Penny on June 10th, 2010 1:25 pm

      Looks like he was considering getting rid of Staphany’s body the same way he did Natalee’s!
      “They also believe, according to the New York Daily News, that van der Sloot had thought about tossing Flores’ body into the ocean. Police reportedly found maps charting currents in his backpack.”

    37. Angela on June 10th, 2010 1:25 pm

      Have the Peruvian officials taken a mouth swab for potential evidence?

      Local tidal charts were found in his possession. Were they purchased before or after Stephany’s murder?

    38. Maggie on June 10th, 2010 1:36 pm

      Angela was a woman on one of the shows last night who said she believed it was possibly an attempt at oral sex based on Stephany’s injuries on her body. She thinks it’s a sex crime. The no pants thing is very odd.. I think they were in the room for about 3 hours before he went for coffee. Maybe he removed them after she died.

    39. Brenda on June 10th, 2010 1:48 pm

      Man Angela, if what you say is true…and “the boy” was trying to force her, I wonder if she bit him? Know what I mean? THAT would have made him very angry although no doubt was what alot of us would think to want to do, you know. Her poor family….and Natalee’s family, God love them.

    40. Carpe on June 10th, 2010 2:22 pm

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    41. super dave on June 10th, 2010 2:26 pm

      #32: I don’t think a murder suspect would be getting steak as ordered. i would find that a little brave to ask for in whatever quality
      available. cigarettes maybe ?
      an easy confession got him these benefits but still hasn’t been formally charged. what i’m
      saying is that he received the same treatment in aruba. favorite blanket, teddy bear, footie pajamas. and wasn’t even slapped on the wrist but
      was allowed to swagger around town bragging about his murder.

    42. Javi in Maryland on June 10th, 2010 2:47 pm

      The video of Joran getting coffee was released, at least for a while. My wife and I saw it on TV, and I have been trying to find it again online for 2 days without success.

      It could help determine when he killed her, before or after he got coffee. My wife saw it too, and she said he had already changed into the striped shirt before getting coffee. In which case, he must have already killed her, and his story is a lie. Unfortunately I can’t remember what shirt he was wearing in that video. I only saw it once for about 5 – 10 seconds.

      Does anyone have access to a copy of the coffee video? Did anyone else see it?


    43. Maggie on June 10th, 2010 2:49 pm

      Think they gave him steak and cigarettes, so he couldn’t later claim he was being mistreated and coerced into a confession. Someone had stated the way to get him to talk is be very nice to him.

      Watched Mickey Sherman, who I never agree with usually, on one of the shows. The host asked him if he thought now that Joran is locked up if others in Aruba will now talk about what happened to Natalee.. Mickey’s answer.. nope, he said the people involved in Natalee’s murder are as big dirt bags as him.

      Always believed Natalee was taken to Joran’s place that night..noone around to see.. Fishermen by the huts said they saw noone that night on the beach matching their descriptions. All those couples Joran said him and Natalee passed..none came forward to say they seen him. Probably burnt his shoes. Only reason he ever claimed he was at the beach probably was because that is where they took her to get rid of her in the water or hide her until they case someone seen them.

    44. Javi in Maryland on June 10th, 2010 2:52 pm

      Here is another theory I have:

      If he is telling the truth about killing her after finding her looking at his laptop, then perhaps it was because she discovered files having to do with the 2 girls in Colombia who went missing after being at the same place and time as Joran just a few weeks earlier. He would feel the need to kill her in case she saw that evidence.


    45. maryd on June 10th, 2010 3:31 pm

      Trying to conceive of such a heartless being. I just couldn’t imagine, than the other day I killed a bug crawling in my home. I had no remorse, than it suddenly struck me that this is how the depraved mind of a psychopath must work. Only with them it is humans and not bugs. Truthfully it bothers me to kill bugs too, but that’s because I have a heart.

    46. Lisa in Maryland on June 10th, 2010 3:32 pm


      You never cease to crack me up – Such a talented wit!

      It’s nice to smile in the midst of this disaster!


    47. Lisa in Maryland on June 10th, 2010 3:36 pm


      Did you miss post #33 exaggerated sense of self-importance, persistent need for admiration, lack of empathy for others, excessive pride in achievements, and snobbish, disdainful, or patronizing attitudes.”

      Of course he would ask for Steak – He believes he’e entitled!

      Shame on the Peruvain government for affording him such comfort!

    48. Lisa in Maryland on June 10th, 2010 3:54 pm

      I do understand that they want to make sure that he can not say they forced his confession but they need to understand they could serve him milk and honey all day long and he will still claim they forced his confession.

      IMO that if the dinner menu is beans then let him eat beans just like everyone else!

      Of course it’s also IMO that they just dig a 10 ft. pit stick him in it and bury him in hot coal!

    49. MNIN on June 10th, 2010 3:57 pm

      I seriously doubt poor misunderstood Joran will be eating steaks in prison word gets out to his fellow inmates that he was eating breakfast while a local girl laying dead at his feet in his hotel room. Nor do I think he’ll be able to keep quiet about Natalee once those same inmates hear about the monetary reward for information about Natalee. The information in Joran’s head is worth up to $1,000,000 USD. That’s a life changing amount of money in Peru and Joran will be surrounded by dangerous convicts and ruthless guards who would love a piece of that cash. I bet he doesn’t last a week before he spills his guts. Figuratively of course.

    50. NGBoston on June 10th, 2010 3:58 pm

      another post gone poof. =( The Spam Folder has been very hungry lately.

    51. Just Bearly on June 10th, 2010 4:00 pm

      As in the 5 year old Aruba case, Joran may have confessed 1/2 the truth, although the timeline and actual events may have been slightly different in his Peru confession. Peru LE stated they were not so sure she was alive when he brought his coffee and biscuits back to the room. (How can anyone possibly sip coffee and munch biscotti in this scenario.) My bets are the Peru court to charge him with robbery and murder(robbery I think was his intent, and then he killed….a 50 years sentence in Peru.

      I say castrate Joran, give him a lobotomy, and ship him back to Aruba the happy Island to find his way in life.

    52. Mike on June 10th, 2010 4:08 pm

      ” note to Aruban law enforcement and the prosecutors office, just because Joran Van der Slootlied how they killed Natalee Holloway, does not mean that they did not kill Natalee Holloway.”

      Before you write something please be at least familiar with the background.

      In Aruba , Joran was the last to be seen with Natalee.
      In Aruba Joran lied and tried to frame other people.

      Thats it. There is no evidence. A judge will not allow Joran to be prosecuted on the basis of lying alone. Its not that different from your own country ( O.J Simpson)

      Did he kill Natalee? Offcourse he did. As well as being a psychopath.

    53. barney fife on June 10th, 2010 4:08 pm

      i believe stephanie knew who he was and got caught looking at his laptop. I bet he got online, she laid down to sleep. Joran was way too wired to sleep, so he went to get coffee/smokes/cake, etc. he came back and she was on his computer. he went crazy.

      back to aruba, I’ve always said you dont bury a body in dirt when you live on an island. in his most recent lie to fbi sting, he once again threw a red herring about her being burried (pointed to newly constructed house). his most accurate description was when he was high in that guys range rover. a friend took her dead body by boat. i believe he strangled natalee the same way he did stephanie. with Joran getting caught with tide maps, this is the key to me. who is the Joran friend (pimps) who knew tide maps and water depth? Joran was trying to figure out how to replicate the same body removal that worked so well in aruba. this also justifies his crazy arrogance and lieing. he knew she was dumbed at sea and no one would ever find her. after his friend dumped her, he told dad she OD’d and he was scared. he said, no body no crime. Joran was trying to run the same playbook, but he had no friend, no boat, no luggage, no way to get out of hotel. He knew he was out of luck. this time he couldnt dump the body in the ocean and he didnt know the chief of police and all the judges. time to line up aruba pimps, seperate and drill down. who was joran’s age, had access to boat and knew the waters best? that’s your dumper. may these girls rip, and may their families find peace. dont talk to strangers, never get in their car or in a secluded private space and remember parents…Nothing good happens after midnight. peace.

    54. Just Bearly on June 10th, 2010 4:22 pm

      RE my previous comments… good police work should show if his story completely adds up by examining his laptop computer. None the less all other evidence is damning against jr. sloot. Sloot is in a good place for a long time if they throw the book at him. He will be shown no mercy by the Peruvian courts.

    55. barney fife on June 10th, 2010 4:24 pm

      1. target tourists on their last night to either rape or get extremely aggressive, with drugs if necessary.
      2. strangled natalee
      3. friend dumped in ocean with boat or wave runner
      4. lie like crazy with help from dad and authorities. intimidate friends and accomplices.
      5. mix in huge stress, gambling problem, drug problem and loss of dad. drugs and gambling out of control. no more money.
      6. snapped when stephanie discovers who he is.
      7. try to set up body removal and cant
      8. will get killed in prison or kill self.

    56. Lisa in Maryland on June 10th, 2010 4:51 pm

      Just Bearly,

      You are just way too nice!

    57. Maggie on June 10th, 2010 5:14 pm

      Here we go again.. Poor little Joran comes to the rescue of another defenseless girl.gonna lend her money and becomes the victim..She attacked him..she borrowed his money.. per Joran’s attorney..

      According to counsel, the Dutchman Stephany Flores mentioned that he lost money in the casino and that this led her to his hotel room because he was going to lend money.

      Highness said first attacked Stephany Van der Sloot, after checking he found his computer. (Sure)

      Current Affair interview: re Natalee:

      I should’ve just stayed home and this would not have happened to me. It would’ve happened to another person(yeah sure)

      Joran van der Sloot: I would’ve just stayed home that night. I would not even had gone out. It was Natalee, who asked me to go out with her. It was her that asked me to come to the club. It was her that was yelling at me to go dance with her. And I said…and I went to go drink something with my friends. It was her that wanted to come with us. I mean ,I don’t understand it myself. I don’t…yeah. (Natalee kidnapped him, forced him to dance, and buy her drinks)

      Joran van der Sloot: She told me a lot of things. One thing she told me was that her mother was Hitler’s sister’s daughter. I don’t know what she was talking, a lot of strange things. She told me she wanted to go to the light house and see sharks, which we never went to. But, I don’t know, she talked a lot of things. Obviously, she was drunk.(yeah right)

      Joran van der Sloot: Uh… I told her I had to go home. I had school the next day, and I thought, maybe she’d understand. She told me, “No,.” she wanted me to stay there with her. Because, the next day she was leaving. She wanted to stay there the whole night. I told her, “No,” I had to go. I even lifted her up to carry her back to her hotel. And she told me, put her down.I left her there. (She’s begging him to stay with her and he just can’t do it..he has to go home, sureee)

      I remember at first he said he helped Natalee win back her money she lost at the casino..turned out to be a lie..

      Natalee shoved him when he got out of the car to help her at Holiday Inn..

      Problem is in his own sick, little, twisted world, he probably believes all this stuff.. He thinks the world revolves around him.

    58. Maggie on June 10th, 2010 5:36 pm

      I’ve talked about this a few times before.. not surprised about Joran. When I was growing up, our long time neighbors..well to do farmers..6 figures earnings.. his wife came up missing. 3 years.. nothing.. and he had broken up with his gf.. detective got the gf to talk.. Wife was divorcing him. Had lots of land, was hers she inherited. GF was present when he strangled his wife, and when he burnt her in a trash barrel.. threw her skull in the river with a barrel.. got a mistrial.. and convicted a second time. Son was found shot in the ocean off of seal beach. He was gonna testify against him. Not solved to this day. GF said after he choked her..he sodomized her.. used a grease gun on her to make her burn better..sat down and ate sardines on crackers right after. GF is now in witness protection program. Story was on Forensic Files.

      Forensic Files Episode Guide 0001 – Root of All Evil |
      The case of Fred Grabbe is detailed. In 1981, his wife Charlotte disappeared; three years later, police charged him with murder. His girlfriend testified against him in court …

      Sick people in the world.

    59. John on June 10th, 2010 5:51 pm

      Maybe I got this wrong, but. I read that this POS had in his possession charts with various ocean currents plotted on them. Now at what point did this kid become an oceanographer? Or maybe he was a big game fisherman, Ahhh no, I personally think he is a serial killer and had planned to kill somebody, anybody, and dump the body in the ocean as he molt likely did in Aruba. I can’t fathom any other reason for him to have those charts in his possession.
      Last time I was in Venezuela, I was told that if you get arrested you are guilty until proven innocent. Let’s hope that’s the way it is in Peru.
      But even if he somehow get’s away with it, I don’t think he will live to be very old. I have a feeling that there will be a well paid Peruvian hitman knocking on his door someday.
      Just my 2 cents….

    60. Lisa in Maryland on June 10th, 2010 6:14 pm


      Van der Sloot’s attorney, Maximo Alonso Altez Navarro, told CNN his client will go from the attorney general’s office to the Justice Ministry, where a judge will determine which jail he will go to.
      Altez said he planned to ask the judge in the case to strike down van der Sloot’s confession, because he was not properly represented when he was interrogated.

      The attorney said police got a public defense attorney to be present at the interrogation and subsequent confession, but that van der Sloot never agreed to this lawyer.

      Altez also said he has found indications that the handling of the evidence was tainted, especially the way the body was handled during the crime scene investigation.

      He intends to go to trial, Altez said.
      Altez said Flores attacked van der Sloot first, after he confronted her for going through his computer. Police said Flores was badly beaten and suffered a broken neck.

      Mommy bought that lying sociopath a “Maximo Lawyer” – Tainted Evidence, Forced confession, Self Defence!!!!

      Let just hope he gets the Maximo!

    61. Lisa in Maryland on June 10th, 2010 6:18 pm


      Van der Sloot’s attorney, Maximo Alonso Altez Navarro, told CNN his client will go from the attorney general’s office to the Justice Ministry, where a judge will determine which jail he will go to.

      Altez said he planned to ask the judge in the case to strike down van der Sloot’s confession, because he was not properly represented when he was interrogated.

      The attorney said police got a public defense attorney to be present at the interrogation and subsequent confession, but that van der Sloot never agreed to this lawyer.

      Altez also said he has found indications that the handling of the evidence was tainted, especially the way the body was handled during the crime scene investigation.

      He intends to go to trial, Altez said.
      Altez said Flores attacked van der Sloot first, after he confronted her for going through his computer. Police said Flores was badly beaten and suffered a broken neck.

      Mommy bought that lying sociopath a “Maximo Lawyer” – Tainted Evidence, Forced confession, Self Defence!!!!

      Let just hope he gets the Maximo!

    62. Lisa in Maryland on June 10th, 2010 6:19 pm


      Van der Sloot’s attorney, Maximo Alonso Altez Navarro, told CNN his client will go from the attorney general’s office to the Justice Ministry, where a judge will determine which jail he will go to.

      Altez said he planned to ask the judge in the case to strike down van der Sloot’s confession, because he was not properly represented when he was interrogated.

      The attorney said police got a public defense attorney to be present at the interrogation and subsequent confession, but that van der Sloot never agreed to this lawyer.

      Altez also said he has found indications that the handling of the evidence was tainted, especially the way the body was handled during the crime scene investigation.

      He intends to go to trial, Altez said.
      Altez said Flores attacked van der Sloot first, after he confronted her for going through his computer. Police said Flores was badly beaten and suffered a broken neck.

      Mommy bought that lying sociopath a “Maximo Lawyer” – Tainted Evidence, Forced confession, Self Defence!!!!

      Let’s just hope he gets the Maximo!!!

    63. Greg the Mongoose on June 10th, 2010 6:37 pm

      I see Joran spending the rest of his Life in a Peruvian prison. They do not need no stinking confession!

    64. Lisa in Maryland on June 10th, 2010 6:39 pm


      Fox just reported that Joran says he will tell where Natalee is!!!

      Do you think it’s true????

    65. Carpe on June 10th, 2010 6:56 pm

      Lisa #61 – I hope Anita drains her last dime on him.

      It serves her right – She built him.

    66. Lisa in Maryland on June 10th, 2010 7:07 pm

      oops! I didn’t mean it to post 3 times I was fighting with the spam folder! Sorry!

    67. Maggie on June 10th, 2010 7:45 pm

      I heard on Fox tonight that Joran has agreed to tell where Natalee’s remains are… don’t know if its another big joke though

    68. Lisa in Maryland on June 10th, 2010 8:11 pm

      MSNBC is reporting the same that he says he will take them to where her body is.

      Gretta says she doesn’t believe it! Imagine that!! she found him pretty believable when he gave her the first exclusive!

      Friken Media Hoar!

    69. rt on June 10th, 2010 8:28 pm

      Where is the Computer !!!!!

    70. Evert on June 10th, 2010 8:59 pm

      Hi all,

      I was lurking a little bit here and try to give my view on this whole case. First, I don’t believe Peru let Joran walk. The cigarettes and steaks mean nothing, it’s just part of the proces. Take it from me they give him a cigarette and 1 minute later they grill him. Make him confortable and then make him miserable!

      I don’t believe they use toture, the whole wordld is watching this case. They are not stupid to maybe let him slip out of their hands if some fancy lawyer can proof torture and stuff, it will maybe become a political issue and then you never know which way it gonna go, like maybe a deal with Holland to let him do time there in their 5 star Priso….. ooops Hotels! All the conspiracies crap is already too much to bear for me. FBI did it, CIA dis it, Beth Holloway set it all up, I even read somewhere that GW Bush himself was all behind it, go figure! Amazing I did not read that the Jews where behind it, but that can still come. All those who defend Joran should be placed right next to him, those idiots make me puke. All they talk about is poor Joran, he is treated so badly in Peru, They forced him in confession by torture. Lost of people from Holland (I am born in Holland but live in the USA) despice him, but lots of Loonies (lots of women, go figure!) defend this killer one way or the other. I am ashamed of my country men and women. All they talk about is poor Joran but not one word is given about Natalee, Stephany and there families. Truly unbelievable!

      Last thing I read on Greta’s site is that Kim have heard from a police source (Not confirmed) that the police knows Joran is lying after more interigations about the laptop stuff, they still think it was robbery and probably go for the whole deal to the Judge!

      I would say, give him another steak and a cigarette and grill that dude some more, maybe grill him good about the Natalee case too!

    71. delaine bisesi on June 10th, 2010 9:12 pm

      Did I read early on that he took 5000 from her, maybe thats how he got her to his room. I also read early on that her cousin warned her about him a few days earlier that week, are these facts??

    72. john alonso on June 10th, 2010 10:32 pm

      Yes Delaine facts and rumours are spread and picked up by the public all as thruth.for the people that dont understand why he get steaks and sigarets well thats to make him feel comforteble and make the interogation more easy …OOO Evert sry i just see i repeat some of your post i swear io didnt read it when i typed this make me feel good that at least some people have a clear look.On the other hand i dont see many people that defend JVDS.As my last point i would like to say to all the people who are wish his mother to hell and call her the worst mother etc.Please people think first and write then,from what i read she raised her sons in a loving family she was a good mother etc. No mother in the world wan t a son like this but blame her she help him go to far because no mather what your children do, as a mother you always will try to be there for your children in need,please try to understand this,its not Anita’s trial here its JVDS who killed again what his mother have to do with this?

    73. loca on June 10th, 2010 10:47 pm

      didnt anyone at the hotel smell the decomposing body?

    74. Evert on June 11th, 2010 12:09 am

      No sweat john alonso, two people with the same look at things are pretty common :)

      I agree with you about the mother, a mother will always defend her kids.

      I refer to the Dutch newspapers and quit some reactions from people where in his favor, he is framed, it is all setup by FBI and Holloway family. I must admit it starts more and more to decline though.

    75. Mike on June 11th, 2010 12:22 am

      #72 John,
      Ok I thought about it…. Anita is a good mother???????? A good mother does not put a 15year old child in his own apartment and let him stay out all night and gamble, drink, rape & murder and then protect him from the law. I hope I do not run into your children in a dark alley. I hate to think what you taught them.

    76. Chris on June 11th, 2010 12:44 am

      It would be even worse if he ate the sponge cake off her dead body!

    77. NGBoston on June 11th, 2010 1:17 am

      #55 @ Barney Fife—

      Completely concur. You got it, Brother.

    78. NGBoston on June 11th, 2010 1:31 am

      #72-@ John Alonso—Perhaps as a Mother, I can better convey to you the disgust some of us other parents feel about ANITA VAN DER SLOOT.

      It is our understanding she is wonderful teacher and loved by many in her profession. No one here ever said she DIDN’T raise all of her children as a good Mother with lots of love and nuturing.

      Let’s be clear about this—SHE LIED and COVERED THE TRUTH of both Joran and Paulus, previous to her death. While I understand that 99.999% of Mothers will protect their own until the day they die and that some children just go “wrong” regardless, WHAT THE HELL KIND OF A MOTHER DOES THIS TO ANOTHER MOTHER?!?! No, sorry—it is just plain wrong.

      Anita Van Der Sloot gains no admiration from many here because she did not make her Son or Husband do the right thing. Instead, she became selfish- only thinking of losing both of them, sticking her head deep into the sand and remaining in denial of WHAT SHE KNOWS IS THE TRUTH. Then, she had the gall to make comments about Natalee Holloway being just “one girl”. THEN EVEN DESCRIBING TO THE POLICE THAT SHE COULD IDENTIFY NATALEE’s UNDERWEAR? What? Are you freaking serious???

      That BS is just plain twisted. And how the hell would Anita VDS like it if the tables were turned and that was her own child that was murdered and tossed aside like yesterday’s newspaper?

      Oh, Hell no, she doesn’t! If you want to observe 2 shining examples of what a REAL Mother is like—please take note of Beth Holloway and Mrs. Flores-Ramirez. Those are what REAL Mother’s are. They feel a pain so deep, that no one but another Mother who has gone through a similar loss can ever even begin to understand. Yet, they are gracious, and never in a million years would even THINK of letting another person or family suffer at the hands of an evil Murderer at any cost.

      Hope you finally can understand now where the disdain for ANITA VAN DER SLOOT comes in.


    79. NGBoston on June 11th, 2010 1:33 am

      *typo* previous to his death (not hers)

    80. john alonso on June 11th, 2010 2:41 am


      By accident my children living also in an appart building next to the mainhome…i geuss that makes me a bad father.And i am sorry but the day my children are in trouble for whatever they do i will be there for them prob. with alot of shame and alot questions where i went wrong but its not always the parents fault when something go wrong altough i agree that he not should been in casino’s at his age its even iligal but seems that Aruba is a special island and if i analise this then its prob this enviroment that made the guy the sicko he is…btw my children are real cute dont fear them in dark alleys you not gone find them there anyway.

      When i said she a good mother then i mean i am sure she loves her children and want the best for all of them…did she agree with Father VDSL take Joran to casino’s we dont know did she agree he was drinking i think not but raise teenagers is a damn difficult thing the problem is they dont always listen,but i am sure in the U.S teenagers dont drink or do stupid things they are all 1st class citizens and iff they are not its because they have bad parents…..that seems to be your thinkingproces or im a wrong?

      Can you please point me to the sources who say VDS actualy did rape somebody?The most plaucible analise about this guy i read somewhere ever was on this site and its from a person who work with people with some sort of agression problem…not sure where to find it,but this person seems to be right…..he can be nice sweet and then in 1 second something snapps in his head and go crazy,this seems to have happend here as well what the reason was we dont know i not gone speculate about it…motive could be sexual or finacialy or whatever but somewhere he snapps….the wine-incident with Peter R Devries dont count for me it looks like he did this for his own fun but when i saw him throw a glass to a wall for no reason(intervieuw Terror Jaap) it really was scary to see.Normal people dont behave like this but thats all his mothers fault isnt it?

    81. Brenda on June 11th, 2010 7:00 am

      John alonso, since you must know the boy had a wonderful mommy who loved him into a moster, maybe you know him well enough he told YOU where Natalee is? What to elaborate? Do you know? I bet you do..or have heard. maybe involved? Cannot understand you thinking otherwise. OR someone who covered for him? Hmmm…you make many excuses for poor behavior…similar to how Anita raised this “wonderful boy”….make excuses for ANYTHING. It’s all about getting what you want anyway at anyone’s expense, right? Such good parenting there!

    82. john alonso on June 11th, 2010 9:02 am

      @brenda….do you relaise what you are saying to me?you should be ashamed of yourself miss…basicly accusing me of covering up a crime just because i see the pain of the mother of a monster? I am speechless

      @NGBoston….we seems to agree on 1 thing…I can see you anger and where it comes from,you tellling me things i didnt know(the underwearestuff)and if true thats indeed a disgusting statement from her but i still take that with a little doubt just because most of your media was biased…I hope 1 thing and i think we agree on this all on this board that justice may be served and that even more important for me Natalees family gone be able to bring her home to rest in peace……We do have the same anger believe me its just a perosonal opinion about Anita(who i btw dont know)that makes me not the beloved poster… far that i even been accused of COVERING THINGS UP AND EVEN MORE but i geuss i shouldnt take that with a smile,Brenda’s IQ is prob not very high so i forgive her……

    83. NGBoston on June 11th, 2010 10:43 am

      #83—-John— I have no anger nor hatred towards anyone. That’s not what this whole case is about….don’t you get it?

      The only ones the ARUBAN/DUTCH and now SOUTH AMERICAN & UNITED STATES public are upset with is THE CORRUPT ARUBAN OFFICIALS WHO LET A MURDERING RAPIST FREE MORE THAN ONCE! And, the Murderer himself for what he has done to other human beings. Destroyed so many in his wake.

      We have all, collectively been served a huge injustice. We have repeatedly stated we do not blame the Aruban citizens who don’t want this type of criminal on their Island in their midst any more than Americans or Peruvians want him walking about one day a free Man. OH HELL NO !!!!!!

      WE HOLD THOSE RESPONSIBLE FOR LETTING THIS MAN GO AND NEVER BRINGING FORMAL CHARGES AGAINST HIM ACCOUNTABLE. The Initial NH investigation was purposely botched/impeded from the start. HELLO ? Are you really that slow, here John Alonso? IT IS AGAINST THE LAW! IN ALL OF THESE COUNTRIES TO RAPE, MURDER, BRUTALIZE OR SELL SEX SLAVES VIA HUMAN TRAFFICKING! Joran Van Der Sloot is guilty of all of these crimes, and many other offenses as well. WHAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND ABOUT THAT? WHAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THAT ARUBAN LE DID NOT DO THEIR JOB WHICH THEY ARE MANDATED UNDER LAW TO DO ?????? There is corruption anywhere you want to look in the World—question now is—WHAT IS ARUBA GOING TO TO ABOUT THEIR FAILURE TO PROSECUTE A CRIMINAL UNDER THEIR OWN LAWS??????????????????

      Please do not preach to us until you can finally get a clue, apparently you are not the sharpest tool in the shed and YOU STILL DON’T GET IT.

      Peace to you, John— however—please, please stop defending corrupt Aruban Officials or the Monster they let back out into the free World to continue to spread his destruction of other innocent HUMAN BEINGS! How DARE you try to defend him, or anyone like him. He is a piece of crap, surely a person so evil that he needs to be put away FOREVER.

      ********** JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY ********

    84. NGBoston on June 11th, 2010 10:53 am

      #83-John—Perhaps you should do more research before you come on here and get the facts.

      It is DOCUMENTED exactly what Anita and Paulus Van Der Sloot PUBLICLY stated (and many on CAMERA in interviews). There are written statements and interviews in both news print and actual footage of many disgusting comments made by both of the Van Der Sloots after Joran and the Kalpoe Brothers were detained on 3 separate occasions. Don’t you remember that even Paulus was arrested at one point?

      Come on John, please don’t paint us all with the same broad brush strokes here. Many of us have been following this case from day one. The only people that talk out of their asses here are all of the liars who botched the case in Aruba, and Joran himself.

      Please give us more credit that we also don’t take all the hype from the Mainstream Media on this case as the REAL truth carved in stone, either.


      These are FACTS. Now, Papa Sloot is dead. You see, as God fearing people—there is such a thing as divine intervention. Anita was innocent and caught off guard at first and not even on the Island the night that Natalee’s disappearance/murder took place. She flew back to Aruba when the shit hit the fan, and stayed in denial since. SHE KNOWS. HER HUSBAND IS DEAD. HER SON IS NEXT. Sorry, that is just the way it is.

      I only feel sympathy for her as a Mother, losing a child after the death of her corrupt, lying, gambling, sleazy Judge Husband.

      I feel no other sympathy for ANY MOTHER who can continue to hide a crime of this nature and let other human beings be adversely affected by it.

      That is just all sorts of wrong and twisted.

    85. brie. on June 11th, 2010 11:39 am

      Tainted evidence,I think not, forced confession, I think not, self defense, I think not….he killed her for the money out of desperation….

      I think the computer is nonsense, if anyone was on it, it was Joran…!!! Just an excuse for his actions as usual…

      So he said he is going to tell where Natalee is buried….if he does it will be a place where he buried his dogs bones……..

    86. john alonso on June 11th, 2010 12:26 pm


      where did i defend JVDS?I am disgusted by this guy so i dont know where you get this idea from.I did read the Aruba interogations and it strikes me that if my bicicle is stolen my declaration is bigger then some of those in this murdercase(Natalee’s)so i admit i stopped reading after a while because it just leaded to nowhere(prob by purpose yes)and yes you most prob know more details then i do but my gutfeeling was always that JVDS did it and a proper investigation and interogation would made that clear years ago.

      But you still assuming alot of things thAt i hope will become more clear in the future…your statement in caps in your last post could be true but you are making that statement like you know this for 100%.And that JVDS will be next in row to die i really dont give it 1 min of my time i only hope they not kill him in jail,it would be to easy for him i really like to see him do the max sentence and after that to the U.S for the extortion and if he still alive they can have him in Aruba as well i think by then dad VDS his connections will be all retired and powerless…… where is my sympathy or defence for JVDS???

      We cant be all the sharpest tools in the shed i am sorry LOL

    87. Maggie on June 11th, 2010 12:44 pm

      John.. I don’t have a problem with Anita loving her son.. Raising kids is the hardest job in the world..been there, done that.

      Ignoring a child’s bad behaviour isn’t being a good parent. I really think Joran was born the way he is, but I also believe his surroundings made it much worse. Why did Aruba and his parents continue to let him run in bars and casinos all hours underage? Why did they not do one thing to Paulus when he took his underage son left him to gamble..gambled with him..and the next night did the same according to Paulu’s police statement. The atmosphere he was in contributed to creating him. I am positive there are more bad stories about Joran pre 18 that we don’t know about. Deepak, Joran told us..they did this 20 times, Joran and Freddy made the moves on the girls first. They’ve all been in the same room having sex with girls. Hans Mos told us.. Other chats written before May 30 were also found, in which the suspects discussed “picking up American girls and what they plan to do with them,” Mos said. Such chats gave authorities an idea of how the suspects operated, he said. Basically saying a group of “guys” preying on American tourists. Good place to vacation eh?

      If Joran was made to own to what happened with Natalee.. he could’ve been doing time in Aruba..probably not even 15 years..Seeee what enabling does? Now he is facing life in Peru prison of hell. One more family has been devastated.. By not owning up to Joran’s life since has been one nightmare episode after the other.

      Check out the spokespeople from Aruba, pm, cops on this case, Joran’s family etc..they continue to make themselves the victim of Natalee.. blaming the fbi now..another way to enable. Check out the behaviour of the Kalpoes. Look at the degrading statements deepak and their mother made about Natalee. She looked like a slut, dressed one too.

      A young girl who came only to spend 3 or 4 days enjoying her graduation. She didn’t ask someone to kidnap her and kill her. Check out Natalee’s background.. full scholarships to college..all kinds of awards and groups she belonged to.. that she worked very hard for.

      Aruba chose to paint her as some drunkin slut on drugs, that came there and ruined Joran’s life and then evaporated after doing so. They put out statements that Natalee was pregnant by her stepfather.. Paulus claimed he got a letter from Natalee that she ran away from her mother cause she hated her. 5 years we have watched the way Natalee and her family have been treated worse that dirt..over nothing but tourism aka money and Joran..and everyone is friends or related. We have found out Joran appears to be the drunkin slut on drugs.

      Now he’s killed a 21 year old. Right off he tries the same ammo that worked in Aruba..blame the victim.. No, I don’t wish Joran to have his throat cut or his head bashed in.. Nothing in my make up to wish that on him. I do hope he is not out to harm another it wherever. I think Joran has been a very unhappy person for a long time.. Too bad he had so many enablers..who kept on making excuses and didn’t get him help. Now 3 families lives are ruined and for what? I do not feel sorry for Anita.. didn’t feel sorry for Paulus either.. I think the stress got to him from what all took place. I do feel sorry for his 2 brothers.

      Karin Janssen came out right at the first..and said.. Paulus and Anita harmed the investigation.. Paulus told them no body, no case and instructed them.. and Anita called a witness over to the house to ask them what they told the police.

      5 years we have watched this.. I can only hope and pray Natalee’s family can finally get the answers they deserved 5 years ago. Would be hard enough 5 years, not knowing where your daughter is or what happened, but to have to fight everything else they’ve had to on top of this.. what a hellish nightmare to place on people.

    88. NGBoston on June 11th, 2010 12:52 pm

      #86–Ok, John- Fair enough. I should not assume you have ever defended Joran, so I retract that statement and apologize.

      Guess what, John? I’m not a Law Specialist at all, but I don’t think any of us need to be Sherlock Holmes to put 2 and 2 together, based upon evidence and reporting that has already been made public over the last 5 years to deduce that Joran Van Der Sloot killed Natalee Holloway.

      One of the best sources of information on this case is this Website, and the second place is Dario, Jossy Mansur’s publication and also all the crime reporting Peter DeVries has done on the case from the Netherlands.

      So, I apologize once again to you. Sometimes things are lost in translation with a language deficit and in the written word.

      Thank you then for your continued support in helping Americans get the word out in the Netherlands. Until someone locks up Joran, and then proceeds to throw away the key–he will always be a threat to the people of your Country as well. He preys upon anyone.

      Today is a good day though, as he has been formally charged in Peru.

    89. Lili on June 12th, 2010 8:58 am

      To the ones who would like to seeit, here is the 2nd video, of VdS acting as if he has just lived the room to buy 2 coffee cups, and trying to knock the door as he had forgotten the keys inside,probably after he killed the girl (obvioulsy he had changed clothes also). To get fresh daily news, this is a good link, only in Spanish!

    90. Lili on June 12th, 2010 8:59 am


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