Latest on Peter R. De Vries TV Show This Sunday on Disappearance of Natalee Holloway in Aruba … Joran Van der Sloot, Evolution of a Sociopath


The evolution of a sociopath … Joran Van der Sloot

So this is what a complicit and corrupt Aruba has unleashed on the world. When evil is not stopped in its infancy all it can do is become emboldened. Especially when the evil is an uncaring, unremorseful, unrepentant sociopath.

As previously reported, Dutch investigator Peter R. de Vries will be doing a show this Sunday on the disappearance of Natalee Holloway in Aruba. Peter R. de Vries has promised new information in the case. However, according to many comments from Dutch posters the show seems to be more based upon Joran vander Sloot and what he has been doing lately in Thailand. The fact of the matter is it does pertain in a way to the Natalee Holloway case as it shows exactly what type of individual he truly is and a propensity to do anything and not care of the consequences.


It would appear when it comes to Joran Van der Sloot, the more things change, the more they seem to just be the same. It seems according to early reports that Joran Van der Sloot may have been caught again on tape with a hidden camera. One can presume once again that Joran Van der Sloot was just lying to the camera and he knew it was there all along. Peter R. de Vries will be reporting on Joran Van der Sloot and the Thai sex trade.

Leopards do not change their spots and neither do sociopaths.

Binnenland: ‘Van der Sloot handelt in Thaise vrouwen’


AMSTERDAM – Joran van der Sloot is stalled again in the fall! In Thailand he is the second time within a year in an undercover operation getuind. This is how committed he is in Bangkok on the trade in young women has been ruled out.


The suspect for the disappearance of Natalee Holloway offers in Bangkok Thai women for sale to the Dutch prostitution market. He makes girls for 10,000 euros each, which for just 300 dollars per month in a brothel work, he says. The undercover operation was again conducted by a team of Peter R. de Vries and lasted a few weeks. One infiltrator was in Thailand as a Dutch entrepreneur in the sex industry, a trap where Joran intrapte with open eyes.
Hotel Room

De Vries showed yesterday exclusive to De Telegraaf raw undercover shocking images, which will be broadcast Sunday. Then Joran is including in a hotel room to see, while in the presence of two Thai prostitutes are doing business from the canvases. The new trap after De Vries was previously put over seven million viewers to the tube kluisterde with Joran confession, in February the whole world was about. In a prepared Range Rover Joran recognized therein that he vanished into the U.S. away from the beach and dumped her into the sea. During talks at a hotel he says now that he can make weekly young women. The visas and passports are no problem, he claims. “I rule that all, do not worry!” Formally, the girls, who think dancer to be, in our country training. In reality, they six days a week working in a brothel.

De Vries: “The images show how little respect this 21-year-old shows for the lives of others. That you after the disappearance of Natalee in the trafficking goes, draws him.” According to him makes Joran is guilty of a serious crime. “The preparation of smuggling is punishable. This could be him in Thailand in big trouble.”

The operation was even until yesterday afternoon. While Joran van der Sloot thought he chatted over the Internet with his business partner, that in fact he did with De Vries. The unsuspecting Van der Sloot announced that he was “the easy bit, ‘will do until after a forthcoming episode about him. Then the business can continue. In the case of Natalee suggests he has nothing to fear: “They will find nothing.” He also leaves his alleged business partner know that he is a Thai crime reporter at De Vries afsturen want to fix the problem. “And I do not care what it costs,” he says. On the images can be seen that Van der Sloot now occupy a villa in the capital Bangkok. (Hat Tip: EU Robert)

Some snipets from a a radio interview with Dutch Radio 538:

Just on Dutch Radio 538 (‘Evers staat op.’) Peter R. de Vries adds to the Telegraaf news of this morning:

Sounbyte from PRdV TV-fragments: Joran (doing his best to convince a potential buyer): “…more beautiful bitches that when they’re on their knees easily make 300 to 500 dollars…”

The infiltrant was an person that again (as patrick earlier) went to PRdV to tell him about Jorans plans.

Joran everywhere he went looked over his shoulder

Was very keen for money

Real deals were made and preparation-acts were done among which: Joran had bussiness cards printed claiming he was a owner of a model agency

The infiltrant were shown pictures of girls that Joran could deliver.

Preparation-acts are punishable in Holland (Thailand is not yet clear).

PRdV himself has chatted with JvdS under the pseudo of sex club owner

Chats were about money and concrete ‘shippings’ and so on.

This will probably not contribute to the court case concerning Natalee Holloway.

About the threat to Peter, Joran supposedly has said: “… that bastard De Vries… I’ll send a hitman to him…”

The television show will take some hour and a half.

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    131 Responses to “Latest on Peter R. De Vries TV Show This Sunday on Disappearance of Natalee Holloway in Aruba … Joran Van der Sloot, Evolution of a Sociopath”

    1. ANewGirl on November 7th, 2008 8:32 am

      We’ve known all along that Joran VDS is pure scum, no big surprise there… disregard for life and human beings in general.

      Since Thailand is a country where human trafficking & prostitution/exploitation of minors runs rampant…seems doubtful anything will be done legally to prosecute him for his new crimes.

      Gosh, he’s right at home there…isn’t he? At least DeVries has stayed on the Sporters tail and is persistent in bringing news to the world on what a Sociopathic Monster he is. Mama & Papa Sloot must continue to be so very proud.


    2. Sharon Chicago on November 7th, 2008 9:17 am

      Paulus and Anita…are you still proud of your sporter?

    3. Sharon Chicago on November 7th, 2008 9:27 am

      Just thinking… what he is doing/was doing up until today, must not be enough to put him behind bars because the Thialand police have not arrested him… I wonder if he would have had to have been caught with the prostitutes getting on board a flight (with or without them)?

      Ok so in the Netherlands, he may be charged with human trafficing or something similar? I sure do hope so and they can put him behind bars.

    4. LilPuma on November 7th, 2008 9:52 am

      I don’t know the legal ramifications of the two-country human trafficking operation, but hopefully it will put Joran in jail and on the list of people who should never ever be allowed in the U.S. Hopefully this show will help some of these girls. I seem to remember many, including Anita, Shelby from NJ and Joran’s former Aruban girlfriend talking about him not being the sort who would harm a girl. We’ve know otherwise for 3.5 years, no matter the protestations from those who see him as he never was. Will Joe Tacopina be making an appearance on Greta?

      Bravo, Peter!

    5. da_wench on November 7th, 2008 10:11 am

      Gotta love PDV! This isn’t surprising to any of us here but it’s nice to know Peter is out there on his ass showing the rest of the world what JVDS is.

      Anita…time for another dose of valium.

    6. nurturer on November 7th, 2008 11:18 am

      If Natalee had been my daughter, Joran would have disappeared long ago, along with his two mutts.

      It would have been Paulus and Anita’s turn to sweat.

    7. txchic on November 7th, 2008 11:52 am

      not the clean cut preppy sporter & mommy’s boy we’ve all come to love? how proud his parents should be of his behavior. no doubt he’s still having them finance his escapades.

      the thai government needs to kick his behind to the nearest border. joran is the scum of the earth & nothing would surprise me with this idiot. are the girls of legal age that he’s taking advantage of? i wonder if joran’s visited his creepy dutch/thai tickle friend who claims to like young girls? this whole thing makes me ill.

    8. De Vries Fan on November 7th, 2008 12:12 pm

      I guess Jorin never should have pissed off De Vries. Let that be a lesson to everyone. Don’t throw wine into in face. He doesn’t get mad. he get’s even.

    9. Ralph on November 7th, 2008 12:27 pm

      more beautiful bitches that when they’re on their knees easily make 300 to 500 dollars…”

      is not really correct. What Joran said was more like “They are so beautiful and they will go on their knees so happy will they be making $300 per month”

    10. crossbow on November 7th, 2008 1:29 pm

      You don’t have to read the whole thing:
      “Women from Thailand are trafficked particularly to the Netherlands and Germany of the European Union, Japan, Austrlia, India, Malaysia and nations of the Middle East. (“Trafficking of Women to the European Union: Characterisitics, Trends and Policy Issues,” European Conference on Trafficking in Women, (June 1996), IOM, 7 May 1996) and (CATW – Asia Pacific, Trafficking in Women and Prostitution in the Asia Pacific)”

      And you people still refuse to boycott Dutch products?????

      Go to

      There you can type in any Dutch company; especially Unilever and find an address to write.

      Who knows maybe Natalee was Joran’s MARKER to settle a debt or to prove he could pull it off to someone???

      His apprenticeship acheived and his graduation into big league trafficing and prostitution: just like Posner.

    11. Susan on November 7th, 2008 1:36 pm

      No one should be surprised with this latest development concerning one of Urine van der Slut’s favorite past times…

      Urine and the Alpoe (arf, arf) brothers could have very likely been involved in human trafficking on that God forsaken, poverty stricken, drug infested, lawless, third world isle of Aruba after all, with Paulass van der Slut’s assistance.

      Natalee could be alive, living God knows where, doing God knows what, if she was sold into slavery :-(

      God bless and be with Natalee, where ever she may be!



    12. EURobert on November 7th, 2008 1:54 pm

      # 9 Ralph

      You’re right!

    13. Susan on November 7th, 2008 1:54 pm

      Cindy Marolt, local author
      Comments 0By Whitney Bryen, Staff Writer
      Published: November 6, 2008

      Writing has always been a passion of former natural gas trader Cindy Marolt, but after the success of her award-winning debut novel, Marolt is beginning to rethink her future plans.

      Marolt’s first novel titled “No One Heard Her Scream,” published under pen name Jordan Dane, was awarded best novel of 2008 by Publishers Weekly. It was then that Marolt’s life-long passion became a successful future.

      “That totally shocked me because it is such a prestigious award,” Marolt said. “They review thousands of books and I was just floored when I was one of two winners who won for their debut book.”

      Marolt’s inspiration to write came from fond memories of reading at a young age. As an adult, Marolt said she had some spare time and began writing; soon her hobby became her livelihood.

      “I was writing every night and it felt a little like working three jobs,” Marolt said about maintaining her energy career at OG&E. “After I got my name out there and had won a few awards I was able to sell my books at auction for a price that is now allowing me to write full time. I can’t believe it.”

      Marolt’s publisher Liate Stehlik of Avon Publishing said in a press release, “We believe strongly in this author. Jordan Dane is poised to be the ‘next big thing’ in the romantic suspense genre.”

      While her passion for writing came naturally and at a young age, Marolt found inspiration for her crime inspired books in news headlines.

      Marolt’s inspiration for her debut novel comes from the case of Natalee Holloway and the personal experience of a friend.

      “A friend once told me that her sister was murdered and that she was still feeling the loss everyday,” Marolt said. “I wanted to write a crime story that would capture that depth of emotion and give a voice to the victims of crime.”

      In “No One Heard Her Scream,” a detective barred from the investigation into the abduction and murder of her sister is forced to take another case. But when she finds skeletal remains buried in the wall of an old theatre are from a woman close to her sister’s age, the hunt for a killer becomes a vendetta for justice.

      Since the success of her debut novel, Marolt has released a total of three novels all sold at auction and is planning to release at least two more by the fall of 2009.

    14. R M on November 7th, 2008 2:49 pm

      Here’s hoping De Vries didn’t stop investigating too early. From what I read, the *preparations* for sex slave trade are hard to prosecute. No women had travelled to Holland yet.

    15. R M on November 7th, 2008 3:31 pm

      So, yes, Sharon Chicago…

    16. deetch on November 7th, 2008 4:05 pm

      R M,

      As much as I want to see him in jail for life, we can’t endorse having one of these women actually shipped off just to gain evidence. I mean hopefully this prevented what he was trying to do. I know there will always be someone else but there is certainly enough to I’m seeing in this story for every other person on the planet to be in legal trouble. I’m just amazed people are still protecting him. It’s not like he would be able to become a believable witness against others who are involved.
      I think this time, his sponsors will let him fry.

    17. R M on November 7th, 2008 4:27 pm

      deetch, I hope they will get him, but it may depend on the Thai police…

    18. Maggie on November 7th, 2008 4:51 pm

      Aruba propped him up as the poster child of rock star status.. Renfro and her ilk spent all their time going after Natalee and her family trashing them with lies.. The VDS’s and Kalpoes all trying to cash in and still blaming the victim. Joe T telling us Joran only lied once. Every piece of evidence that has came out, was never enough for Aruba..They know what happened all along.. All these months later, Natalee has never been seen since she was in the company of Deepak, Satish and Joran and nothing has changed that. So many trying to make money off it while showing no remorse for anything they’ve done. This truly is one of the most tragic cases I have ever watched. Not one person in Aruba fighting for justice for Natalee. Why anyone would go to that place to visit is beyond me.

      Ty Peter for staying on this..I really believe he cares about justice for Natalee.. Always said we haven’t heard the last of Joran, it’s just his nature to keep doing what he does best, and I’m glad Greta is going to cover it again.

    19. R M on November 7th, 2008 5:05 pm

      In fact, this week, on her blog, Greta hinted she had news and that she travelled to Asia not too long ago re: this case… She must have an agreement with De Vries not to air anything before his show has (Sunday night in Holland).

    20. Susy Q on November 7th, 2008 6:17 pm

      I always wondered if Joran had amassed a lot of gambling debts and had sold Natalee to slavers from Venesuela. Dr Phil seemed to have had the same idea.

    21. columbo on November 7th, 2008 7:35 pm
    22. Kat_Garm on November 7th, 2008 8:24 pm

      Hello all, some I haven’t seen for a while.
      I am not shocked that he is doing this, this new career is the path he was set on by his parents and was enabled further by Joe T and all of the supporters. Why did mostly the Monkeys see it ?
      He is going to wreck more girls’s lives in Thailand. I hope that t0ere is enough to at least get him deported ? or have his visa revoked. If these girls are being lured to Thailand thinking they are going to be models or entertainers and they become reluctant prostitutes, there should be some sort of action that could be taken at the Dutch end or the Thai end to stop this. Perhaps Peter will know and be able to do something. Ty EuroRobert and I hope there is more on this in English where I can see it.

    23. candi on November 8th, 2008 1:23 am

      How do we know Joran didn’t sell her?

    24. Paul Breiveld on November 8th, 2008 3:11 am

      Sure… Let’s BOYCOT a whole nation. I think the USA is now in total SHIT with the RECESSION coming. Boycotting will surely help! SMARTYPANTS.

      Then let’s all BOYCOTT the USA for invading other countries for their oil (there are many more countries with bad governments, but without oil, and the USA doesn’t invade them… think about that). Let’s boycott the USA for having such bad quality TV shows. Let’s boycott the USA for putting such high IQ people like George W Bush and Sarah Palin in Power… Boycott the USA for it has highschool KILLINGs. Some of the REDNECKS here might applaude to boycott the USA for the skincolor of it’s newly elected president.Let the majority of the country suffer for the few BASTARDS it has. As want people from this board…

      If you want the world to work: you have to work together. Not boycot. Take the lesser parts out of a society, but do not punish the whole society for the misconduct of few. That is not justice, that is solely revenge. And revenge will turn on you… someday!

    25. Sharon Chicago on November 8th, 2008 9:40 am

      #20 Suzi Q…. I am thinking that Natalee was not sold as human trade…

      Joran and the two Kalpoes were wanting to just gang rape another tourist as they have previously done before.

      They had their porn tape going in the car to set the mood and then did their filthy dirty deed with Natalee and Joran did dispose of the body….

    26. Sharon Chicago on November 8th, 2008 9:43 am

      They all will eventually pay for their crimes of rape and murder…. It ain’t over yet folks!

    27. R M on November 8th, 2008 10:01 am

      In de Telegraaf, this Sat. morning, Joran is quoted as saying ‘I made it all up, just blowing smoke’.
      We’ve heard that before…

      ABC interested in airing the show on US TV.

      Paul Breiveld: Agree with your last two lines.

    28. txchic on November 8th, 2008 10:31 am

      #24 paul, you need to get a life. unless you KNOW the iq of the individuals you mention by name i think you need to get your story straight.

    29. R M on November 8th, 2008 11:21 am

      From Gretawire, Nov. 6 2008

      So here it is: in the midst of all the traveling for the election coverage beginning last spring, I flew to Asia (yes, Asia) for a quick trip to work on the Natalee case. I left on a Friday, flew 18 hours to Asia…upon landing, did fast work on the ground….including taping an important interview (which I have not yet shown you but expect to soon)…and then, without sleep, jumped back on a plane…flew back 18 hours…and was back in the USA by about 9am on Monday. I was back on the air for ON THE RECORD at 10pm that night. Yes, no one knew about the trip (other than Fox.) We learned something new in Asia — and from a source that is very important to this investigation.

      To try and figure our more (corroborate/disprove) what we learned in Asia, I also took other trips – including one out to Seattle and I was back in one day. I took an early morning flight…interviewed someone…jumped back on the plane. It has been, as you might imagine, exhausting trying to fly all over the globe doing this Natalee Holloway case while also meeting my responsibilities for election coverage.

      Fox has been great throughout this investigation …Fox has been 100 per cent supportive of us attempting to finish this still incomplete investigative story……Fox has spent a fortune making it possible for us to track down leads all over the place.

    30. ANewGirl on November 8th, 2008 12:27 pm

      #28- Txchic- LOL !!!!! =)

    31. Paul Breiveld on November 8th, 2008 5:29 pm


      The IQ of George W Bush is 91 (Fact)
      The IQ of Sarah Palin has been estimated on 83 (but this could be false). You can Google for results on IQ of them both.

      You need not be too smart to know they are not too smart.

      You need not take a life to already have a life.

      My story is straight!

    32. Maggie on November 8th, 2008 6:15 pm

      Paul Breiveld on November 8th, 2008 5:29 pm

      The IQ of George W Bush is 91 (Fact)
      The IQ of Sarah Palin has been estimated on 83 (but this could be false). You can Google for results on IQ of them both.

      You need not be too smart to know they are not too smart.

      You need not take a life to already have a life.

      My story is straight!

      That story of George Bush has been debunked.. on the list it had John Kennedy at 170 something, when in fact it was like 119..Bush graduated from Harvard and for Sarah..just more made up rumours until anyone sees the actual thing. You can google for a lot of things..don’t make them true..

    33. Paul Breiveld on November 8th, 2008 7:02 pm


      Start boycotting other countries then… That is INDEED a sign of a high IQ…

    34. Michelle on November 8th, 2008 8:13 pm

      Paul Breiveld

      You sure are concerned with other peoples IQ….Sounds like an inferiority complex…..

    35. Paul Breiveld on November 9th, 2008 4:08 am


      You must be right. For sure you are a true Dr Freud. Or maybe like some of your leaders: Dr Fraud!

    36. Greg on November 9th, 2008 4:17 am

      Joran the murder, now pimp. Whats next?

    37. michelle on November 9th, 2008 8:32 am

      joran was a pimo frim way back! i truly believe he picked up natalee for his daddy!

    38. michelle on November 9th, 2008 8:33 am

      oppps i haven’t had my coffee yet. lol
      joran was a pimp from way back!

    39. txchic on November 9th, 2008 8:37 am

      wow, paul’s really made a point here. the mighty keeper of false test scores.

      on a side note… i was looking at house plans on the net last night & stumbled upon a new community in thailand. i noticed the pool area was full of perv looking, elderly white men. joran should fit in well there.

      i’m personally hoping that joran’s kidnapped & sold into the thai sex slave market himself. he’d make an awesome toy-boy for one of those elderly pervs.

    40. Paul Breiveld on November 9th, 2008 9:00 am


      The easiest is if Thai police would find drugs in Villa Joran in Bangkok. Then he can think about his life in the Bangkok Hilton.

      Boycot the USA!

    41. hermanvandijk on November 9th, 2008 9:03 am

      See me, hear me me, feel me…
      Again I speak for myselve… after seeing De Vries on a program with one of the best artists… fighting!!!
      Joran and Beth are fighting for Natalee!
      You, Monkeys never talked openly about the hired Dan and Kelly (Beth herself).
      You all say I wanna know the thruth…
      but you never trusted me!
      It’s this:
      If Natalee is a grown up…. she goes her own way.
      If Natalee has been pregnant
      You all did know…
      why do you hurt Natalee?
      Why don’t you give her her own live?
      Why the doctors and so on?
      Give her her own freedom.
      Natalee has a mother you all wish to have!!!
      That’s a fact!
      She is you’re mother…
      You all like to wish… a question of Natalee, who is so dear to you.
      But this is perhaps the qustion:
      do yoy want to have Natalee back?
      Do yoy ubderstand why they searche for her?
      Are you friends?
      Shame you who shut up the mouth!!!!!!

      Love you Natalee,
      Cathereen and Herman

    42. hermanvandijk on November 9th, 2008 9:15 am

      The shame is:
      not Natalee
      … but the child!
      Wake up little Susie!
      We love Natalee!!!

    43. crossbow on November 9th, 2008 9:30 am

      I believe somewhere in December 2005; 10061906 made a brash statement and was criticized.
      I believe he said that Joran had an
      Oedipus complex,
      is a misogynist and had
      homosexual tendencies.

      Where was he wrong???????????

    44. hermanvandijk on November 9th, 2008 9:30 am

      I even think that Natalee and Joran are in love
      … but may not mary!
      Because of what happened before…
      … The Sound Of Silence!..

    45. ANewGirl on November 9th, 2008 9:35 am

      #40- Paul—-Time to put that crack pipe down.

      What the hell do GWB’s or Sarah Palin’s IQ’s have to do with Joran VDS’s latest crimes?

      Take your hate of the US elsewhere, we’re not interested. I shouldn’t be responding to any trolls anyway.


    46. Paul Breiveld on November 9th, 2008 10:52 am


      Please read back and better. I was (and still am) not hatefull towards the USA. I find it merely stupid that people want to boycot a whole country for what parts of a society does. (Let’s boycot Aruba, The Netherlands and even Germany). I put that story back to the USA and gave stupid remarks on which basis other countries should boycot the USA. The boycot remark remains an immature remark…

    47. Richard on November 9th, 2008 1:03 pm

      To the writer of post #46: The point is, as we have been saying all along, that elements of the Aruban government and law enforcement have been complicit in the cover-up from day one.

      So it makes all the sense in the world to boycott Aruba. It’s the only technique we have to let that nation know that Natalee is not forgotten.

      And if you don’t believe that there is a cover-up on Aruba (which means that the safety of Americans is anything but a priority there), then you must concede that the powers that be there are so stupid and incompetent that it is imprudent to go there.

      One or the other, take your pick.

    48. Richard on November 9th, 2008 1:08 pm

      Looks like the trolls are back with us … it happens every time there is a development.

      One thing about this new info on Joran makes me think. You don’t just go to a country on your own and start doing this sort of thing without some degree of immersion in the criminal culture.

      I lived and worked in Thailand for a year, and am aware that the sex business is thriving there.

      But you don’t just lure people to another country without being part of a network.

      My point? If these charges are accurate, and van der Scum isn’t just shooting his mouth off, then how did he forge his connections in the Netherlands?

      Seems to me that this does suggest that he was involved with something bigger, probably even back on Aruba. And maybe PvdScum as well?

      Could Natalee have been trafficked? My involvement with the Amy Bradley case predisposed me to think that it was at least possible.

      Perhaps we’ll find out….

    49. Richard on November 9th, 2008 1:11 pm

      Sharon Chicago (#3) … Believe me, drugs are so prevalent in Thailand that there wouldn’t be enough room in jails to put everyone. And a fair proportion of the police are on the take.

      Nothing against Thailand … but the people who go there looking for filth, or to profit from it, are able to find it.

      Too bad that Joran didn’t feel inclined to go to Malaysia … when I had to go there for visa renewal, as you got near the border you saw signs with the skull and crossbones, and a warning (in English): It is DEATH to bring drugs to Malaysia.

      And believe me, they mean it.

    50. R M on November 9th, 2008 2:19 pm

      BTW: Is Klaasend still moderating this site?
      SM: Yes I’m still one of the moderators (klaasend)

    51. Paul Breiveld on November 9th, 2008 2:30 pm


      I get your point. And I can see where people get the idea there might be a cover up. And it seems very evident vd Sloot sr had misused his knowledge and position. But to start boycotting not just Aruba, but also the Netherlands and maybe even Germany… that I find immature. I am sure people from other countries can find cover ups in the USA… should we go look for them to justify a boycot? I don’t think like that. And I disagree with people that do. That was (and still is) my point.

    52. R M on November 9th, 2008 4:15 pm

      Hi Klaas
      post # 13 is spam.

    53. R M on November 9th, 2008 4:16 pm

      I heard all 90 minutes of the show that aired in Holland.

    54. Paul Breiveld on November 9th, 2008 4:17 pm

      Just saw the Peter R de Vries show. Joran was there with his AMERICAN friend LUKE (From Seattle) trying to ‘deliver’ thai girls for prostitution. But the girls did not want. Peter has too highly promoted his show, and in the end it was a bit of a bummer. Of course we see how unsympathic Joran is. But in my concept of a womanstrader I think more of also steeling a person’s freedom. In the end it was more a headhunter in the sexindustry. Not a job to be proud of, but no actual slaves either. The women in the show were quite independent. Joran saw more an opportunity to abuse a person’s situation. All in all was the show hyped much more then what one could see.

      Of course all the images of Joran make you want to puke. But Peter puts quite an effort to explain everything in an even worse way.

      Oh by the way: mother and father vd Sloot can NOT be proud of their son after this show. But I doubt if this will get him in jail. I think he did worse by disposing Natalee and not telling.

    55. Paul Breiveld on November 9th, 2008 4:19 pm


      Should we now bocot the USA since Joran’s friend is American and was part of the negotiations?

      (As stated before: I think boycotting is not the answer!)

    56. EURobert on November 9th, 2008 4:25 pm

      An extensive report of tonights show is provided on the SM-forum by ‘the dutch collective’: Buckeye, Johan555 and EURobert. Starting at the bottom of this page:

    57. hermanvandijk on November 9th, 2008 5:05 pm

      Have just seen the mission of Peter de Vries…
      It’s a mission impossible, I think so.
      Because Joran and Peter have their own war!
      Joran protects the truth about Natalee and Peter is like a hounddog. Running after what once was a child of seventeen!…

      But it may be that Beth plays the game, knowing what was going on at home. Her man ren away…

      When Canada wrote to me personal I started to think: but I was honest, explaining , trying at least, how we all can get involved with some health problems.
      I still stand beside Natalee and I think she is with me. Because sometimes friends are very few!!!
      I’m glad she found me in her own difficult situation.

      The Imperials said I was special, the first man od the orchestra with his violin said the same… and so on.
      And even You Tube knows that I have a heart…

      Let Thailand go, Joran knew all the time that they knew where he was, standing in the papers…
      He has again his story…

      But I see two young lives ruined:
      Natalee and Joran.

      Joran is a strong one… Natalee is a woman…

      And now the hate comes!
      The hating talk in the minds against me.
      But my works keeps following
      … if you like it or not.
      We love Natalee!!!
      I am ashamed for many of you…

      All the best
      I’ve said what I had to say and that’s it!
      Over and out.

    58. R M on November 9th, 2008 5:37 pm

      Thanks Dutch collective. Bedankt.
      I too thought the show was a bit of a bummer: PdV leaks too much in advance, so I had heard/read most of what was said.

    59. R M on November 9th, 2008 5:39 pm

      After the show, a Dutch lawyer gave her opinion and said JvdS could face legal poblems in the Netherlands.
      To be continued, I hope.

    60. whytegirl on November 9th, 2008 6:18 pm

      Is this “herman” a Shango wannabe? Ooohhh Aniiitaaa!!! The list is endless…

      I don’t think of course that Natalee’s alive, like Caylee. The only thing that is the wow factor for me, this guy loves to play with fire.

    61. hermanvandijk on November 9th, 2008 7:40 pm

      I’m still awake…
      Have you’re own thinking.
      That’s why Jesus said:
      “Some can see… but’s a little group
      … who can see the truth!”
      Monkeys… you are fitingh against theLord above.
      Beth with bla bla bla
      The Lord this and so on…
      Natalee is in Jesus hands!
      I know for sure.
      She is saved.

    62. hermanvandijk on November 9th, 2008 7:48 pm

      After all
      … Natalee is dead.
      Natalee is dead.
      Natalee is dead.
      It’s the sound of the army
      … dead!

      Nothing else is coming in you’re head?

    63. hermanvandijk on November 9th, 2008 7:57 pm


      Saw me playing on the guitar?
      You see… how fast?
      You like a western?

    64. hermanvandijk on November 9th, 2008 8:13 pm

      I’m still there on You Tube
      … page one!
      Have a nice conversation.
      Love me tender
      love me dear
      never let me go…

      For Natalee
      … for ever!!!

    65. Richard on November 9th, 2008 11:33 pm

      Many thanks to EURobert and his Dutch colleagues who listened to the show and put on the inside forum the information referred to in post #56.

      If lying to the Aruban police were grounds for action, the J2K contingent would have been in prison for life already.

      We used to be told that there was a distinction between lying as a suspect and lying as a witness, but this is just part of the stuff that Aruba was coming out with day after day.

      Just like they suddenly wrote to the Holloways saying that the investigation was being run from the Netherlands and they had nothing to do with it … a few months after threatening to shut down the investigation if Beth kept talking.

      Maybe the Netherlands will do something against Joran … MAYBE … but in any case, there’s no known direct connection between what happened in Thailand and what happened in Aruba on May 30, 2005.

      Even so … aren’t the Dutch even the least bit embarrassed at having their country besmirched by these animals?

    66. Paul Breiveld on November 10th, 2008 12:01 am


      Of course it is a shame to dutch people that Joran is of dutch decent. How do you like that Robert Pickton, Charles Manson, John Wayne Gacy and Ted Bundy are/were all AMERICAN?

    67. Greg on November 10th, 2008 3:32 am

      I watch the new Peter R. de Vries show. Joran is a rapist, murderer, pimp, sex slave trader.
      Aruba has set this Thug free to walk this earth, and bring havoc to all of us.

    68. Chris on November 10th, 2008 6:53 am


      It isn’t becuase he is DUTCH!

      The glaring difference is that the men you listed were held ACCOUNTABLE in the country of their origin and where the crimes were committed. Does this escape your notice?
      The anger comes from the fact that JVDS holds the answers to questions that for whatever reasons the Aruban govt doesn’t want to ask and face and he walks the Earth freely. It really is that simple.

      Would you not feel the same if a woman from the Hague came to celebrate her graduation and three high school guys spirited her away in Birmingham AL and walked free because the justice system in the USA kept looking at the sky and whistled?
      I think you’d be torqued. Or maybe not….. maybe you’re just easy-going in that way. after all, what’s another human? There are so many it shouldn’t matter that one vanishes now and then.

    69. Chris on November 10th, 2008 7:04 am

      Robert William “Willie” Pickton (born October 24, 1949)[1] of Port Coquitlam, British Columbia is a Canadian pig farmer[2] and serial killer convicted of the second-degree murders of six women.
      CANADIAN. Not American

      And my point stands. He was held accountable. Joran is roaming the Earth freely.

      Are Canadians supposed to be ashamed to be Canadians because one of theirs murdered innocent people or do you only expect Americans to feel collective shame?

    70. Chris on November 10th, 2008 7:25 am

      After reading my posts I believe I have ommitted a link to my issue with Paul.

      It has to do with Americans asking Americans to boycott Aruba. NOT DEMANDING. Asking. Spend your money elsewhere.

      Well Arubans DON’T need the US to fund their life-styles. All of Europe can go vacation there and have a lovely time in paradise. It’s so warm, the sandy beaches are inviting. GO! Support Aruba!!! Tell all your friends that Aruba wants their business.

      If Americans think the Holloway family has gotten a raw deal from the Aruban govt, why should they support the country?

      We have Florida for clean warm beaches. And Hawaii. Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi. Parts of Texas. South Carolina, Massachussetts. Just to name a few. We don’t *need* Aruba. And clearly she doesn’t need the USA.
      So it’s a win-win situation.

    71. Waterboy on November 10th, 2008 7:33 am

      Where did Joran learn to trade in flesh? Is this something you can learn on your own?

      You would need a good lawyer (not good at good) and business partner to protect your behind.

      What an evil business. Reminds me of the slave traders in the 1700s.

      What an evil, wicked, dark soul this Boy (and I do mean boy) has.

      Seems like he is very happy. Evil makes him happy. How dangerous a serpent this Boy is.

      His soul cast no shadow. The bright sun melts his flesh. Alcohol and drugs help him prefect his trade. Evil, evil, Boy that he is.


    72. Paul Breiveld on November 10th, 2008 7:40 am


      Do you mean that Aruba and Holland should be boycotted for (supposed) coverups in this case?Similar to coverups in the USA in the cases of: Javon Dawson, Lt. Israel Gonzalez and Officer Jorge Garcia from Miami, a possible Anne Pressly coverup, Janie Ward…

      I can see why if it happens so often in your own country, why you would expect it of a country that you feel superior of.

    73. Waterboy on November 10th, 2008 7:45 am

      Evil creatures do their deeds in darkness.
      Where there is no light, they feel there is no harm.

      What others cannot see, evil creatures interpret as freedom from wrong.

      The Son will melt their evil deeds and burn their flesh as punishment for their unspeakable wrongs.

      We must remember that if our souls are pure, what we do in darkness should be what we would do in full light of day and for all to see. (Lord, help me be pure.)


    74. Dave ( Dutch ) on November 10th, 2008 8:37 am

      What i don’t get is why people are writing such idiotic things about boycotting The Netherlands?

      What Joran has done to Natalee is awfull and he should definitely get what he deserves.
      But don’t start being hypocritical, it’s not like every American citizen is a saint either.. -.-

      Even now the Dutch are helping The United States in their wars against terrorism, PrdV is helping America by putting this idiot behind bars, The Dutch also offered New Orleans a dike inspection team to defeat the troubles of water floodings..

      But then one guy pulls of a stunt like this and all of a sudden all of us should pay for that..
      Is that what you want?
      But if it was the other way around should we boycott America? No we shouldn’t as that’s just plain idiotic.

      Pure arrogance/idiotic if you ask me to either write or think in such a way.

    75. gturner on November 10th, 2008 8:41 am

      Paul, great point. Also how about Mark furman. He planted evidence at the crime scene. Everything that happens in Aruba happens in the good old USA .

    76. Richard on November 10th, 2008 9:03 am

      There’s no use in continuing the discussion about the boycott of Aruba, as some trolls here seem unable to comprehend the reasoning behind it.

      Is there anyone who doesn’t believe that elements of the Aruban government and law enforcement have conspired to prevent prosecution of certain local people? If so, rooty toot toot for you; but the truth seems too glaringly obvious to allow for a dispute on this issue.

      That being so, it’s only common justice and common sense not to go to Aruba. That’s the simplest, and best, step one can take.

      The next thing: to let it be known why, and to support a voluntary boycott. The life you save may be your own.

      No justice for Natalee…no tourists for Aruba.

      Why is it, I wonder, that whenever news emerges about Joran, all of a sudden we see an upsurge in posts about the boycott?

      Someone in Aruba must be awfully nervous ….

    77. Richard on November 10th, 2008 9:05 am

      And to those who delight in stating the obvious … no, Americans are not perfect, and nobody says that they are.

      And how irrelevant that is. We’re talking about THIS case, Natalee Holloway, and THIS obstruction of justice … aided, abetted, and perpetrated by elements of the Aruban government, who never cease prating about “We have a system” (based on Dutch law), and who never accomplish anything.

      Let’s remember, Beth’s original call was to shun all of the Netherlands Antilles. Sounds good to me … I want justice for Amy Bradley as well.

    78. kaye on November 10th, 2008 9:14 am

      the boycott has worked and it will continue to work as long as aruba and any other persons who knowingly withhold information about what really happened to natalee. the lord works in mysterious ways. Luke12:2 “For there is nothing covered that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known. 3) therefore, what ye have spoken in the darkness shall be heard in the light; and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops”.

      herman…..what a weird-o….
      also, there are lots of trolls here

    79. kaye on November 10th, 2008 9:17 am

      also, Anita you must be so p-r-o-u-d!!! Your little sporter is every parents nightmare and disgrace. maybe now you will wake up and some clean with what you know……..

      if natalee had been my daughter, your little sporter would have been “lost at sea” a long time ago……and you would have experienced the horror that beth has lived hrough.

    80. Chris on November 10th, 2008 9:42 am

      I haven’t even suggested boycotting the Netherlands. Don’t know where that swipe is coming from.

      The focus is on Aruba. All evidence there does point to cover-ups. Three men do know what happened. And others are helping them slip the collar.

      Who planted evidence in Aruba? The evidence in the Holloway case has been claimed to be corrupted.

      As to the Lt Gonzales case:

      “Lt. Israel Gonzalez and Officer Jorge Garcia face up to 10 years in prison for committing perjury to a grand jury and obstructing justice by lying in sworn depositions and conspiracy. Sgt. Jose Quintero faces up to five years for conspiracy for planting one of the guns.”

      Anne Pressly has an ongoing investigation. Is there a cover-up going on that you know about?

      Janie Ward seems to the closest comparison to the Holloway incident and that was going back to 1989, under Gov. Clinton’s administration. And again, it s not a cas of a foreigner being assaulted by a local. IT DOES appear to have political connections, much like VDS and that investigation.

      You make a wrong assumption that I concur with poor investigations on my land and blast those that happen in Aruba.

      Javon Dawson, don’t know a single thing about that case. But if there has been wrong-doing at the hands of officials, I would be LAST person who would condone it or explain it away. Or make apologies for the perpetrators.

      As to the Mark Furman comment….. OJ Simpson was aquitted and it was not proven that Furman planted evidence. It was surmised. Different.

      “What Joran has done to Natalee is awfull and he should definitely get what he deserves.”

      I AGREE. The problem is it doesn’t appear that he ever will! At least not in Aruba.

      And lastly, no I don’t think that because one person “pulls a stunt” that everyone should suffer for it. Again the problem is no one who knows is willing to take a stand for the victim. So as a result, everyone does suffer the consequences. Or would you rather that bad deeds should be ignored and/or tolerated?

    81. gturner on November 10th, 2008 9:44 am

      IMO the boycott has NOT worked. For one, Beth called it to get ANSWERS. So far she hasn’t got any. And two, There are still thousands of Americans who go to Aruba every month. So you tell me how the boycott has ” WORKED” !

    82. Dave ( Dutch ) on November 10th, 2008 9:55 am

      I wasn’t talking about you Chris. :)

      I was referring to post 10 and 11.

    83. keshi on November 10th, 2008 9:56 am

      I’ve stumbled upon this site just now, and I started reading these comments. I couldn’t help but think that there was something missing.

      Smart: US (arguebly Aruba’s most essential client concering tourism) boycott the whole island (thousands of innocent people) for something one dumb-*ass did.

      Smarter: Boycott The Netherlands for something that same dumb-*ss is doing now. (Btw, most of you Americans love weed & prostitutes way too much to achieve this, I know, I run into you daily here)

      It is truly sad what happened to Natalee Holloway. Criminals should be brought to justice too, I agee. But punishing a whole community for the failure of their representatives is utterly retarded.

    84. Vicki on November 10th, 2008 9:58 am

      81- GET A LIFE…It has worked because thoose who are stupid enough to go are aware that its not SAFE…The pimp life has been squashed…URINE SOLD HIS SOUL..with his DADDYS help and he will die soon for it. I pray he goes to jail in Thailand…so he will ROT like his stinkin SOUL is…How PROUD his mother must be of the sporter now…his LIFE is over..EVERY DOG HAS HIS DAY…

    85. Paul Breiveld on November 10th, 2008 9:59 am


      If this is your basis of respect in a discussion: “some trolls”… then you have just disqualified yourself.

      And to put it so much in danger: ‘that the life you save might be your own’… you might stay in the USA go to a highschool and be shot there… I find it put in a too simple manner (like this response from me too)


      you come with Bible texts and put the same respect for board members using the word trolls. That I find dissapointing from a man (woman) of the Lord.

    86. Paul Breiveld on November 10th, 2008 10:02 am


      I think we agree more on the topic then it might appear from the pieces we have written.

    87. Dave ( Dutch ) on November 10th, 2008 10:05 am

      Did you guys hear he is on the run now though?

    88. R M on November 10th, 2008 10:09 am

      While we are bickering, Joran has fled Bangkok and was spotted on a domestic flight in Thailand.

    89. gturner on November 10th, 2008 10:46 am

      #84 Vicki, Take a chill pill. You sound like a VERY sad and ANGRY person. Calm down before you have a stroke !

    90. Paul Breiveld on November 10th, 2008 10:55 am


      It is said the Thai police or government has asked for the footage from PrDV.

    91. hermanvandijk on November 10th, 2008 11:15 am

      I’m trying…
      Joran must have known about the coverup of De Vries.
      This day I have got the chanche to read a lot.
      If someone can translate (Klaassen herhaps) then look for “Ko van Dijk vertelt”…
      I saw Beth (under the doctors pils, I think…
      I sometimes ask myself if I’m a right one to go in discussion…
      My head is somewhere in the violine or the guitar, I know.
      But otherwise:
      I have such special talents: I was about twenty and a friend and his wife could not find their cat…
      I saw her inside my head and told the place… and they found her…
      I still did not know what I had for gift…
      It took me years to understand…
      Believe me: if Natalee is dead… I would not sing and play for her.
      I never met Joran, but I think he helped her, because of her home problems.
      And I am not the only one…
      She choosed for herself… who doesn’t?
      But it’s easy to say… when you are far away of a sound od Natalee in the reallity…
      I have seen nothing after what I saw…
      Only on You Tube I can follow sometimes with… is it Natalee?
      Hawaï or Venezuela…
      At least I stay on You Tube… hoping for a sign and the best.
      For everyone: think and speak on your own way.
      Uhhh… where’s my beer?

    92. Lala on November 10th, 2008 11:21 am

      If you found their cat, perhaps you can find your brain aswell?

    93. R M on November 10th, 2008 11:27 am

      @Paul, with his appearance, it must be hard to hide in Thailand. :)

    94. Paul Breiveld on November 10th, 2008 2:31 pm


      Yeah… and it seems he likes Thai food and less excercise… PrDV estimated a 15kg increase in weight.

    95. Richard on November 10th, 2008 5:52 pm

      To all of those who seem to be offended by the notion of a boycott: Why don’t you urge the Dutch and Aruban governments to do something about the case?

    96. R M on November 10th, 2008 6:29 pm

      Footage (translated) of the show was mailed from the Thai embassy in The Hague to LE in Thailand. The fact that Joran (visible on tape) accepts 1000 Euro (circa 1300 dollar) from the undercover ‘business partner’ is important and proves intent.

      To the boycotters: if you want to boycott Holland and Aruba or their goods, go ahead – if it makes you feel better. They won’t notice, honestly.

    97. Chris on November 10th, 2008 7:09 pm

      Keshi: “It is truly sad what happened to Natalee Holloway. Criminals should be brought to justice too, I agee. But punishing a whole community for the failure of their representatives is utterly retarded.”

      Based on your comment, I would wonder why you’d want crass Americans infesting Aruba with our presence at all? Perhaps to get us out of Amsterdam?

    98. Paul Breiveld on November 11th, 2008 12:38 am


      Right, and why don’t the people from the USA do the same in similar cases in the USA? Instead of spending their time bashing on this board.

    99. ANewGirl on November 11th, 2008 4:07 am

      ?#47- I have read and I do not agree with what you are posting, sorry.

      You state that there “might” have been a cover-up for the Holloway crime in Aruba. MIGHT? Come on, Paul- get realistic will you and stop trying to minimize what happened? Corruption runs rampant on that island- and NO- an entire country should not be punished for the deeds of one citizen—(but here is a novel idea for you)—how about ARUBA taking responsibilty for prosecuting their own citizens who committed crimes on their own island?? That’s just for starters.

      I agree with Chris’s post #68, 69 & 70. At the same time, I also can understand your thoughts about Boycotting in general. Yes, we have our own criminals here, and yes- our own criminal justice system has sometimes failed us as well.

      At the risk of ranting on with repetitive posts, I again urge you to read posts 68-70.

      As Americans, we simply want one thing: JUSTICE FOR NATALEE !!! I refuse to vacation in Aruba ever again until Joran & Paulus VDS and the Kalpoe brothers are held responsible for their crimes. So looks like me and my family won’t ever be going back.


    100. Kay Zee Es on November 11th, 2008 6:22 am

      Dave(Dutch) sez…

      “Pure arrogance/idiotic if you ask me to either write or think in such a way.”

      When the shoe is on the other foot…

      Do not write or THINK of justice for Natalee, sez Dave(Dutch) or else you are arrogant and/or idiotic.

      So you think people resolved to finding a path to justice are those things you describe because you feel offended that we will not roll over and die.

      Look in the mirror, lately? Arrogance/idiocy seem to dwell there.

      Thanx and have a great day.

      JUSTICE FOR NATALEE, by whatever it takes.

    101. Kay Zee Es on November 11th, 2008 6:29 am

      #97 Keshi sez…

      “But punishing a whole community for the failure of their representatives is utterly retarded”

      Let’s see, all of us who desire justice for Natalee are arrogant, idiotic, retarded…”

      Hmmm, not vndersloot, but the grieving people. Wow, I see what side the Netherlands are on.

      I guess we better not mess with their sex trade. It’ll make ‘em made and call you out of your name.

      BOYCOTT THE NETHERLANDS AND ARUBA until justice is done. Doing that will bring the justice we all seek.

      I couldn’t resist saying that. :-)

    102. gturner on November 11th, 2008 7:20 am

      Richard, I don’t mind if people BOYCOTT. It’s just that I think the BOYCOTT was a TOTAL FAILURE. We didn’t get ONE answer since the boycott and there are still thousands of AMERICANS going there. Sure tourism is down 15 or 20 % but tourism is DOWN all over. I just read where tourism is down OVER 20 % in Hawaii. The bottom line is the “BOYCOTT” was a total bust. I’m sure Beth would agree.
      SM: I talk to Beth all the time and I categorically say she would say just the opposite.

      This is not over and many reasons why it is not is because the story is still in people’s minds and many have learned from an unfortunate tragedy.


    103. Dave ( Dutch ) on November 11th, 2008 7:39 am

      Ehhh “Kay Zee”..
      I do want justice for Natalee and her family & friends, but justice can be achieved in other ways..
      Like Peter is doing now (he’s DUTCH)..
      But you seem to be frigging ungrateful towards the Dutch eventhough they do plenty for the U.S! Which is why i said i find it arrogant and idiotic to start such a rant.

      But sure why should we not boycott The Netherlands?

      What about the others that get killed every day and are still missing?
      Should we start a boycott for each of them?
      Aww that’s so unfair.. why?

      Because NOBODY DOES.

      Your acting like this is the first time such a thing has ever occured..

      Furthermore you FAIL to realize that the things you accuse the Dutch of also happen in
      A M E R I C A.
      Wanna boycott your own country now? ;)

      Quote Kay Zee: BOYCOTT THE NETHERLANDS AND ARUBA until justice is done.
      And even more justice will be done when you **** your yap. -.-

    104. gturner on November 11th, 2008 7:57 am

      HUM, then maybe she didn’t call the boycott “JUST TO GET ANSWERS”. That is VERY interesting!

    105. Richard on November 11th, 2008 9:09 am

      GTurner (#102) … I don’t know what constitutes a ‘failure,’ but I arranged the first boycott event at an Aruba tourism show in Boston.

      And I was the first one on the ground there.

      When I got there, a quite sleazy-looking guy who was hanging around the entrance to the convention hall gave me a dirty look, and slunk away into the hall. Five minutes or so later, a representative from the center came out asking if I had a permit from the police to demonstrate.

      Fortunately, I had arranged it.

      The next day the guy (obviously one of the Arubans) came over to the hall, avoiding looking at those of us who were outside with our banners.

      So obviously Aruba was concerned about the boycott, and probably learned about it from reading the threads on this forum.

      Anyway, the boycott hasn’t yielded answers yet … but it did keep Natalee’s case out in the public eye, and the response was overwhelmingly positive.

      It’s interesting, too, that many blacks were as supportive as others … so much for the talk about Natalee being an ‘elite white girl.’

      The last I heard, Aruba was not planning on holding more such events under its own name, but would take part in a pan-Caribbean effort. Yes, I’m sure cost-cutting is part of the explanation, but maybe it knows that it will continue to be met with people standing up for Natalee.

      If anyone can propose an equally effective tactic for keeping the pressure on Aruba, let me know.
      I think our boycott efforts are totally justified.

    106. Paul Breiveld on November 11th, 2008 9:28 am


      Well, what would happen to the USA when Holland would boycot the USA? I think the Netherlands is one of the largest investors in the USA.

      It seems the pro and con boycotters are not going to agree on the issue if boycotting is a good thing and if it works. But that does not mean that people who are against a boycot would not like to know what actually happened and that the would not want that people that should be punished, will be punished. (As with a lot of other cases in a lot of different countries).

      And the pro boycotters are free to boycott themselves and ask others to do the same. As I have to freedom to point out how childish I find a boycot. If people feel like this, it is better not to go to Aruba, since they would not enjoy the sun, the beaches and the hotels(mainly american such as Marriott), as they would always remember what happened. And in a same way, maybe people might not want to visit the USA for the same kind of reasoning. It would spoil the holiday, and there are enough alternatives.

      Let’s say I feel the police in a town next to mine treated me badly. And let’s say I would boycot the bakery in that town because I feel that bakery should protest against the police for the fact they treated me unfair. Do I really think that my boycot would help? No, I would not.

    107. gturner on November 11th, 2008 11:05 am

      #105 Richard, I guess when you went to Boston you FAILED to convince THOUSANDS of Americans NOT to go to Aruba. Plus you did NOT get ANY answers. If I were a teacher I would have to give you an A for effort but an F for a grade. YOU FAILED !!

    108. Richard on November 11th, 2008 1:56 pm

      Poster #107: We failed to convince some not to go to Aruba, and that’s inevitable. But I think we did convince a lot more … if you care to look back over the Natalee threads here in the last few years, you’ll see that Aruba consistently lied about the number of tourists they were getting.

      Maybe boycott threats don’t matter. I guess that’s why, in the summer Natalee went missing, Aruba came out in public and threatened Beth: Don’t urge the boycott, or we’ll stop the investigation.

      And then that fall, of course, Aruba said, “Investigation? What investigation? We don’t run it; it’s run from the Netherlands.”

      Sort of contradictory … sort of dishonest … just what you’d expect from an island with a corrupt bunch of scum who run it and make money from tolerating the drug trade and maybe worse.

      But that’s okay. The boycott is part of the history of this case, and it became a nationwide movement. The flame will not die out.

      If you don’t agree with it, that’s fine. You have every right not to. Just tell us what other tactic we have to keep the pressure on Aruba.

      Because keep the pressure on, we will. And as long as we do, and as long as news keeps coming out, we will see trolls coming here to deride us.

    109. Richard on November 11th, 2008 2:02 pm

      It’s true, though, not everyone in Aruba worries about the boycott: PvdScum and Joran vdScum said they couldn’t care less. Wonder why the Aruban people and government haven’t turned on them … or maybe we don’t need to ask THAT question!

    110. Richard on November 11th, 2008 3:07 pm

      By the way, poster #107 … you give me two grades, A and F. Seems to me that they balance out at C.

      Now, since you’re disposed toward academia, let’s see you hand out grades to Aruba for:


      I could go on and on, but why bother? They don’t even make the grade in any category … except corruption, dishonesty, contempt towards non-Dutch, etc.

    111. Paul Breiveld on November 11th, 2008 3:29 pm

      # 109

      What do you want? Since you imply with the turning on them, that somebod should just fabricate a story to have them in jail. Or should the truth come out? (Which could set them in jail either).

      Joran should be punished for disposing of a corpse (Natalee). For sure he went with her into the sea (lost his shoe there) and dumped her there (Joran has a tendency to do immoral things when he’s in the position). And father knows and isn’t telling (and now never, since it would mean the end of his career). I myself do not believe other stories where he would have sold Natalee to work in Venezuela, of that he would have killed her. What could be is that he gave her too much drugs (which she probably didn’t mind… oh no, since she is dead we can only refer to her as an angel, even though she seemed more a real teenager then an angel would be). If that happened it would also explain more why he (in his ‘steve stiffler’-way of thinking) wanted to get ‘rid’ of the body (so nobody would put the blaim on him). In the end what he did was more stupid for his own situation. If he would have called for help or whatever, he would have been punished less. Since he didn’t do that, he left enough room for speculation. (Joran seems to have a lower IQ then George W Bush and Sarah Palin… That was sarcasm for all the troll-lovers out there).

    112. Kay Zee Es on November 11th, 2008 6:45 pm

      Paul Breiveld belches…
      “…he gave her too much drugs (which she probably didn’t mind… oh no, since she is dead we can only refer to her as an angel…”

      I have a few labels I could easily label you, use your limited imagination which ones. Start with the letter “A” and continue straight on down the line, Paul “the enabler” Breiveld.

    113. Kay Zee Es on November 11th, 2008 6:51 pm

      Dave(Dutch) muses…
      “Quote Kay Zee: BOYCOTT THE NETHERLANDS AND ARUBA until justice is done.
      And even more justice will be done when you **** your yap. -.-”

      Well, “Dutch”, I may or may not be the first to alert you to something quite “foreign”, if you will, to you. We have in this country many freedoms and two of them are the freedom of expression as well as thought. Those two freedoms that you seem to disdain and criticize me so roundly for is actually GUARANTEED in our country.

      I was referring to a boycott to get your government(s) to investigate this crime. The boycott against the corrupt South African government serves as an example of what can be accomplished by applying pressure to those concerned.

      In our country we actively fight corruption as can be attested to by the sheer volume of convicted politicians. I don’t know what the track record is for corrupt politicians in the Netherlands, unless of course you have none, which I may be assuming you will perhaps declare.

      In essence, we are fighting for justice the only way we feel we can, since vandersloot has been and still is given carte blanche I am suspecting he has some friends in VERY high places.

      So if you want to go totalitarian on my a$$ for my excercising MY freedoms, go right ahead and feel free to. You can carry on as well.

      Justice for Natalee.
      Boycott Aruba and the Netherlands.

      Thanx agin.

    114. Richard on November 11th, 2008 10:12 pm

      A poster above opined that the boycott has proven ineffective. (Isn’t it interesting that these posters always descend upon us when there’s new info on the case … saying little or nothing about the corruption on Aruba, but warning against people doing what they have the right to do … and the sanity to do … not going there?)

      I guess the news that the boycott has been ineffective should be brought to the attention of Nelson Oduber of Aruba. Here’s something from his remarks on Dutch TV in February:

      Today, Dutch News reported that Aruba has lost tens of millions of dollars due to the Natalee Holloway inspired boycott of Aruba.

      The report states:
      “The disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway and the ensuing police investigation has cost the former Dutch colony of Aruba tens of millions of dollars in lost income from American tourists.

      “The comment was made by the island’s prime minister Nelson Oduber on the Dutch tv current affairs show Nova on Tuesday evening. Aruba’s economy depends for 70% on US tourists, he said.”

    115. Dave on November 11th, 2008 11:06 pm

      They did, but they don’t have enough solid evidence against Joran to lock him up.
      Confessing to a “friend” about what happened isn’t good enough, i mean he could very well be lieing about everything he said.. after all the guy that sat next to him was an ex-criminal.
      Furthermore Joran was caught smoking joints several times..

      Anyway when there is no body, there is no case.. That’s how the Dutch system operates.. ( as mentioned somewhere above )
      Unless we can prove Joran is guilty by solid evidence or a public confession by Joran himself.

      On the last note.. You and me are on the same page when it comes to hating Joran..
      Everybody in The Netherlands hates him, it’s why he fled to Thailand, mainly because of the threats he received.

      But i simply don’t agree with the boycott thing.
      As i’ve said, the Dutch do plenty for the U.S..
      And i’m sorry i came of really rude towards you.
      I just got caught up in the moment there. As i love The Netherlands to bits. :P

      Anyway let us hope that the people from Thailand will find him and lock his ass up.

    116. Paul Breiveld on November 12th, 2008 12:43 am


      Yeah, it seems a lot of people on this board like to put labels.

      What I have difficulty with is that Natalee seemed not to be such an angel as her mom tried to portray her. (Which sounds logical, as teens are usually no angels but normal human beings… angels do not wind up at Carlos and Charlies, those bars have a cartain reputation…)

    117. Kay Zee Es on November 12th, 2008 4:49 am

      Paul Breiveld sez…

      “angels do not wind up at Carlos and Charlies, those bars have a cartain reputation”

      Ah, the “she asked for it” defense so recognizable. Blaming the victim sounds about par for you and your minions. I hope you don’t get offended when vandersloot finally gets his comeuppance.

      PB stated in another post…
      “Joran should be punished for disposing of a corpse (Natalee).”

      Thanks so much for putting her name in parenthesis. Really dehumanizing the victim. You seem to mock her existence by accusing us of thinking her as an “angel”. Hey PB we know she was human and we know she was murdered. We want justice.

      You seem to want vandersloot to get a ticket for littering. You are starting to seen for the shallow life form you appear to be.
      SM: Carlos n’ Charlies is marketed to tourists as a tourist place to go.

      It is only the predators on Aruba that used it was their ambuse playing field.

    118. Chris on November 12th, 2008 6:00 am

      Paul, really? Labels??? “seems a lot of people on this board like to put labels. ”
      Let’s just look at what you wrote on #116.
      You just labeled every patron of Carlos n Charlies BY IMPLICATION whores, sluts, drug abusers, pimps and alchoholics. After all apparently that is what goes on there and everyone seems to know it. “certain reputation”

      I have been to one years ago in Acapulco and it never occured to me then to scope out it’s reputation prior to popping in for a drink and dance. ARE YOU TELLING ME AND EVERYONE READING THIS BLOG that every person on that island and every tourist that flies in is handed a brochure stating that C n C’s is to be avoided because it’s a joint where Angels Fear to Tread? Or does this apply to ALL bars in Aruba? Or only “certain” bars? Does the Aruban govt hand out “Official Certified Bar and Deemed Safe by the Dept. of Morals and Hygiene?”

      #111, same poster. You are in some strange world where you just have to trash the victim either in public or your own mind to feel righteous about what I cannot comprehend. What do you truly know about Natalee Holloway that gives you this ability to paint her as something that somehow deserved to end up vanished? You seem to KNOW that JVDS did all he claimed to do in that hidden video and advocate his arrest and punishment for disposing of a corpse. WELL we have learned the incredibly hard way that the Dutch legal system truly holds to the notion that NO BODY = No Crime. Awesome. But you want to hold him accountable for something that no one is able to *prove*. Interesting. I believe I read somewhere that illegal disposal of human remains in the DLS amounts to very little time behind bars.

      Here’s a thought. Why not sentence JVDS, that stud muffin, in absencia to serve that short pointless for punishment time and then be, like Napolean, exiled to Aruba for all the days of his life. Then the Lucky Lucky Arubans can keep an eye on him. In fact, he considered time already served as part of it, if not ALL ot it.

    119. crossbow on November 12th, 2008 9:14 am
      I know this site is not popular with SM posters but you can find a lot of obfuscated information if you look closely.
      Pay attention to the fact that Geoff says he was home that night
      “At that time I was at home with my parents, we talked about it later on, that it was a good thing I stayed home that night, or otherwise I could have maybe met this person, so yes I was lucky that I was home that night.” (Notice that Natalee is just A PERSON).
      In one sentence he has to tell us : IT WAS A GOOD THING I STAYED HOME THAT NIGHT” three times. Who is he trying to convince? Himself or his father?
      He lied and his father swore to it.
      How come then Joe Tacopina said Geoff was working on the beach patrol that night????
      Willeim says he fired his son before May 30th, 2005.
      Did Joe leave himself open to slander? Sounds that way. Joe flees Aruba.

      Suddenly poof!!! They are gone; Willeim and Geoff flee Aruba. Why?

      He doesn’t know Koen, Sanders or Alexander?

      Suddenly Poof!!! Keon, Sanders and Alex flee Aruba. Why?

      He doesn’t know Guido Wever????

      Suddenly poof!!! Guido flees Aruba. Why?

      He doesn’t know Paul Brough.

      Suddenly poof!!! Paul closes up shop and flees Aruba. Why?

      He doesn’t know the cop Paul Seute.
      But Paul will tell all he knows about Natalee for a price and then hides under the radar. Why?

    120. Paul Breiveld on November 12th, 2008 10:14 am


      As more people already did: you draw wrong conclusions on what I said. I NEVER implied that Natalee was asking to be missed (or worse). I NEVER blamed a victim. That you imply so is very rude! I am saying that when you go to a bar like Carlos and Charlies, you should at least have an idea you’re going to a Sprink Break kind of bar. And not to a Church!

      By the way: if you know she was murdered (then you must have been a witness) go to the police! I believe she died of too much drugs (I believe she put the drugs in her herself). Sure I can not be, since I was not there at that time. I am not saying Joran should get a ticket for littering. Disposing of a corpes, body… Is an illegal act. For that he should be punished. That he has admitted!

      You give a meaning to the certain reputation that I never did!

      I never stated Natalee deserved to vanish! If you read differently, it is you way of reading, not what I am writing!

    121. kiltie65 on November 12th, 2008 10:19 am

      Glad this is back in the news. And if tourism slumps badly in Aruba, too bad. Their corrupt officials made their bed and they have to lie in it! With the creep Van der Sloot telling a girl (Celes) about her “possibly being with someone who can dispose of a ‘corpse’ on the beach”, it becomes more and more apparent there is no hope of Natalee being found alive, even sold into white slavery. Her poor parents. There is hope, however, that the creep Van der Sloot, as everyone on this blog predicted, will be meted out justice for the rest of his useless life while perpetrating other criminal acts. I hope Thailand will get to be the first to dispense justice! Peter De Vries continues to impress!

    122. Paul Breiveld on November 12th, 2008 12:18 pm

      From the site of PrdV: (translation below)


      Politie zoekt getuigen

      Justitie in Thailand onderzoekt of Joran van der Sloot zich schuldig heeft gemaakt aan (het voorbereiden van) vrouwenhandel. In de uitzending van zondagavond 9 november was te zien dat Joran vergevorderde plannen had om Thaise meisjes naar een Nederlandse seksclub te sturen.

      Een woordvoerder van de Thaise ambassade in Den Haag heeft het onderzoek maandag bevestigd. Een band van de uitzending over Joran, met een Thaise vertaling, is naar de autoriteiten in Bangkok gestuurd. Volgens de woordvoerder zoekt de politie op dit moment naar getuigen. Het is nog onduidelijk of Joran wordt gearresteerd.


      Thailand researches humansmugle Joran

      Police searches for witnesses

      Law in Thailand researches whether Joran van der Slut made himself guilty of (the preparation) of womenstrading. In the show of sundayevening November 9th it was shown that Joran had developed plams to sent Thai girls to a dutch sexclub.

      A spokesperson of the Thai embassy in The Hague confirmed this research on Monday. Tape of the show about Joran, with a Thai translation, has been sent to the authorities in Bangkok. According to the spokesperson the police is searching at this moment for witnesses. It is yet unclear whether Joran will be arrested.

    123. Greg on November 12th, 2008 4:45 pm

      I watch the new Peter R. de Vries show. Joran is a rapist, confessed murderer,now a pimp, sex slave trader.

      Aruba has set this Thug free to walk this earth, and bring havoc to all of us. See the pattern? Joran likes to hurt women.

    124. Paul Breiveld on November 13th, 2008 11:35 am


      Don’t forget he is also a warcriminal!

    125. Greg on November 13th, 2008 6:11 pm

      Paul your going over board. Joran is Kaput!

    126. Paul Breiveld on November 14th, 2008 2:37 am


      Despite that I think he is a complete scumbag… I do think there are people going over board here (not me, my comment was to see if anybody would notice – at least you did).

    127. Kay Zee Es on November 14th, 2008 5:11 am

      Paul Breiveld sobs…
      “…(not me, my comment was to see if anybody would notice – at least you did).”

      So you make comments for no other reason than to be noticed. Sounds like you have some insecurity issues there.

      I think we all took notice but how do you respond to a train of thought that is on the wrong track(warcriminal)? We probably just thought you were on the sauce again and let it go at that.

    128. Paul Breiveld on November 14th, 2008 9:56 am


      Boycott the USA over Rumsfeld’s Abu Ghraib coverup!

    129. Waterboy on November 15th, 2008 9:28 am

      Looking back on Natalee’s disappearance, there are several (some I may not remember) physical pieces of evidence that demanded more investigation.

      I’ll list them here. They are not in any particular order.

      1. Blood evidence in Deepak’s car.
      2. Blond hair on duck tape.
      3. Human bone found in Venezuela
      4. Bone found by swimmer
      5. Bits of plastic found near the light house
      6. Belt found at or near light house
      7. Report by witness (now deceased) that put Natalee and Joran
      together near the lighthouse.
      8. Fabric that every one on Scared Monkeys felt matched
      Natalee’s top.
      9. T-shirt, Lysol etc
      10. Shallow grave found in park
      11. Bloody mattress found on beach where Joran repelled.
      12. Where about of Natalee’s cell phone.
      13. Cash that Natalee had with her on the night she
      disappeared. If it could only talk.

      Note: Discarded and lost physical evidence only seems to point back to Joran. How convenient that is was ignored or discarded or lost.


    130. Waterboy on November 15th, 2008 9:30 am

      Sorry, #7 is not part of the physical evidence.


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