RSSNatalee Holloway: Remember When the Media Had Announced that Suspect who Took Natalee, Killed her.
So why did the media report that the Aruban police said that the suspect(s) who took Natalee Holloway admitted to killing her if that did not actually take place? After 3+ years the excuse cannot be that it was a translation problem.
Did one, two or all three of the suspects admit to killing Natalee Holloway?
Posted July 26, 2008 by Scared Monkeys Aruba, Bizarre, Corruption, Crime, Media, Natalee Holloway | 74 comments |
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It is my belief they did find her. But to reveal to the world, that she had been raped and beaten would destroy the image of the Island. They apparently thought her parents could forget and that we would forget. We will never forget…Give Natalee back to the family….
I truly believe that they reported what they knew to be the truth… but somehow someone (PAUULUS) persuaded AUTHORITIES to change the story and destroy evidence….. and so began three years of lies and deception…
pauulus is an evil man and needs to be held accountable along with along those in authority that took an oath to serve and protect..
what a joke!!!
I wonder if they still wonder if pauulus and his evil son… are worth all that the people of aruba have had to endure because of them….
pauulus thinks he is slick and has gotten away with murder and deception…
he is 100% wrong..
there is such a thing as .
..ACCOUNTABILITY!!!
the poeple of aruba arent the only ones that have had to suffer
THE MAJOR SUFFERERS IN THIS TIME PERIOD HAVE BEEN ALL THE FAMILY MEMBERS AND FRIENDS OF NATALEES…
HELL WITH ARUBANS I DONT THINK THEY CARE AND I TAKE IT BACK THEY HAVE NOT DONE ANYTHING TO HELP SOLVE THE CASE AND COUGH UP JORAN AND PAUULUS…..
all he had to do was make another statement refute the “i killed her” statement. there’s absolutely no way paulus would let that one stand. there was really nothing a.l.e. could do after he refuted it. it’s aruba, the bad guys are in charge from top to bottom.
dennisintn
If the family had said she had a seizure of some sort in the past, the injuries inflicted by Joran could have been explained by that and the body could have been returned. Instead, the condition of Natalee’s remains, long after she was with God and His angels, told them they had a “devil” on their hands. That’s why van der Straaten suggested a mental ward in the Netherlands. It’s why Jacobs called him a devil. It’s why the K brothers said he was crazy.
Why the coverup? Just a favor to their friend and colleague, Paulus? Just a fear of lost tourism? Or was Joran protected by a more sinister group of people, who deal in drugs and/or money laundering. Is this why Joran always had, and still has, money to spend gambling and drinking even though he’s never held a job?
IMO it goes much deeper than the three suspects and Paulus.
What would Aruba or the Netherlands gain from covering for these four miserable excuses (to quote from the past) of oxygen to carbon dioxide generators? IMHO; it goes much deeper and more wide spread than what appears on the surface.
Its the house of cards that will fall if the truth were known.
We know that shark feast is slang for gang rape:
But do we know who “Mother” is and what does “WASHING THE DIRTY DISHES” in Aruban slang equate to????
Before you jump all over me; think about what had been done twenty times before and how many have reported being raped and Joran was NOT one of them. How many since he left the island?
Think about being stalked three or four days for a video and think about hidden cameras in Natalee’s new room and who throws parties at the end of the month in the wee hours of the morning and who was auditioning for a video on Aruba called “Comedy on Aruba” that turned into “The Adentures on Aruba”.
Then you can jump on me.
paulus must have had some major crap on some one of authority to have had it all swept away like it has been.
Van der Stratten is probably the most responsible. May he rot in hell.
None of these people in charge or the K2 or Sloots are held accountable for anything they do and say. Wouldn’t you love to see all these people under oath stuttering and taking the fifth.. I’ve often wondered who is in charge on that island. Remember when Renfro come out on O’Reilly and said cops had good solid evidence against the 2 black security guards and the K2′s and JVDSloot are witnesses..Good solid evidence of Murder and Kidnapping. Seems they just make up a new law to counter act the previous one that was broken.
paulus must have had some major crap on some one of authority
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It seems to me more like Paulus took a major one
on the authorities down there! All that will
come back to haunt him. In fact, it already has,
and it will continue. Paulus is living on time.
It’s called the pay as you go plan!
We wuv woo, Pawessssssss… we will be wuvin’
you for a loooooooooong time there, buddy.
Count on it!
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-j4n
TXCHIC AND DAVID R
YES AND MORE YES TO BOTH YOUR COMMENTS.. YOU BOTH HIT A REAL POINT!!!
Yes, I remember the media reports very well, will never forget them. Can’t take those back Aruba! And if you think that trying to blame the victim and her family with the ridiculous lies of Renee Gielen and her cohorts will draw attention away from the TRUTH, THINK AGAIN! You’re not fooling anyone, and are only putting emphasis on how dispicable and desperate you truly are. Face it, it’s not going away…
more lies, no justice, no Natalee = NO TOURISTS!
Really interesting posts, Crossbow, who is Mother?
Don’t Know; and don’t even know if that person exists. Interesting to try and find out.
When Geoff was walking on the beach with that girl after Natalee disappeared he kept saying he was getting a call from mother and had to leave.
The girl mentioned Natalee’s name and when Geoff saw the VCB beach patrol he had an anxiety attack and shut up all the way back to the hotel.
Maybe something like “Q” on 007.
Or didn’t the “Avengers” use a code like “Mother”.
Anyway; every criminal element has phrases that unless you are in the know you don’t know.
Yeah, Texasmom. Their efforts to blame the victim ended up showing us what they thought of women, tourists and Americans. Greta has on tape a woman protesting Beth saying THERE WAS NO CRIME HERE; SHE GOT INTO THE CAR WILLINGLY. Perfect. Drink in their bars and casinos, get a ride from a local and in the small backwards minds of some Arubans, you then become responsible for whatever an Aruban does. Frankly, I don’t think we need to boycott Aruba. Their reputation has tanked. The world knows they were lying about it being safe. The world knows they want money from tourists, but don’t care about them. Who knows how long it will take this island to recover even if no one says boycott Aruba again. They need to clean up their act and so far it doesn’t look like they have what it takes to do so.
the truth may finally come out when whatever dirt paulus is using to blackmail officials is made public. he is on borrowed time…
I think Joran confessed at the very beginning but because he was only 17 and didn’t have a lawyer with him at the time the whole thing got dismissed….and then the cover-up began…
If they had handed Natalee over when they found her we would not be today demanding justice and asking Where is Natalee. The ARUBA brand would not have been damaged.
BOYCOTT ARUBA JUSTICE FOE NATALEE
The whole issue about why Natalee got in the car is, in my eyes, obviously and totally irrelevant.
It has nothing to do with anything.
Why not? Whether she got in the car willingly or unwillingly, whether she was drugged (which most people believe to be the case) or not, has nothing to do with anything.
The questions that DO matter are:
What happened to Natalee Holloway after she got in the car?
Who is responsible for her vanishing?
Did anyone else know about what happened, or contribute to what happened, and if so who?
Getting in a car is no crime.
Drugging someone is a crime.
Kidnapping someone is a crime.
Raping someone is a crime.
Murdering someone is a crime.
Disposing of a body is a crime.
I’m not yelling at anyone here … but all those people who say (as did a neighbor of mine a while back), “I want to know why she got in that car,”
should have the above pointed out to them.
I’m reminded once again of the statement by Jan van der Straaten, crony of Paulus van der Sloot:
“I know she’s dead because I’m in charge of the investigation and you’re not.” (I’m told this is a closer translation than the usual version.)
So far as I know, Aruba has never held him to account for this remarkable statement, which in my mind equates to: “She’s dead because I say so.”
I gather that there’s now an attempt to challenge the accuracy of the media report about one of the suspects breaking down and saying that he had murdered Natalee.
It’s interesting that today, The Washington Post is wrapping up a long retrospective article on the Chandra Levy case. It examines some things that weren’t known at the time, and punctures some of the beliefs that many people, I among them, had formed from the news released.
In that case, things that people factored into their ideas later proved simply to be inaccurate. Maybe that will someday prove to be the case here as well.
One thing that comes to mind: release of the statement that one of the suspects had confessed to killing Natalee certainly took people’s minds off of any alternative explanation.
We know that Aruba took the three out of jail to lead authorities to the body. As far as I know, this effort failed to bring them to the body.
Could that be indicative of something? Maybe we’ll find out some day.
What I’m trying to say is … the statement by authorities that one of the suspects had confessed to killing Natalee certainly achieved one thing.
It took people’s attention away from any other explanation of what might have happened. And it became part of the ‘official version.’
Even though, as far as I know, no confirmed physical evidence had turned up to support this.
I’m re-posting this article here. Granted, it has nothing to do directly with Natalee or Aruba.
It is, however, highly suggestive. I’m convinced that SOMETHING extraordinary happened in this case that lies behind the three-year cover-up, something that can’t be limited to a failed wannabe judge and three punk kids.
Note that, once again, a woman was involved in the perpetrator side of these crimes.
Socialites face ‘weird’ drug-porn charges
2008/07/26
A PROMINENT East London business mogul and his wife are being investigated for producing pornographic films allegedly involving unwitting and drugged employees at their posh home.
This week the Saturday Dispatch reliably learnt of an investigation by the South African Police Service’s (SAPS) Sexual Offences Unit against the couple, who allegedly performed “bizarre” explicit acts with several young women after spiking their drinks with a date-rape drug.
The couple cannot be identified as they have not yet been charged.
A police officer at the unit said the couple’s modus operandi involved inviting unsuspecting women – some of them current and former employees – for dinner to their up-market home before taking “advantage of them”.
“From what we’ve gathered thus far, they would invite guests over and spike their drinks before engaging in the bizarre acts,” said the officer.
According to him, the couple is well known in business circles, own several companies and have a home in one of the city’s swankiest suburbs .
Once the alleged victims were knocked out by the drugs, they were allegedly stripped naked before the couple took turns molesting them on camera.
In some of the footage the wife is allegedly seen performing lewd lesbian acts.
All the filmed action was allegedly stored on the couple’s home computer.
“It’s the weirdest thing I’ve ever seen,” said the officer, adding that the videos were of an “extremely explicit” nature.
The exploitation of the unsuspecting women apparently took place at their home over a “very long period”.
Their alleged activities were apparently uncovered when one of the victims, who remembered parts of her ordeal, blew the whistle a few months ago.
Most of their victims were in their late teens and early- to mid-twenties.
The police have not yet specified how many alleged victims there were or if all of them were filmed.
Police raided the couple’s home and confiscated their computer and hard drive, from which they allegedly retrieved “the most disturbing pictures”.
“Their hard drives were full of all this explicit porn stuff.
“There were different faces all the time and these ladies were clearly drugged out of their mind,” said the officer.
The hard drives are currently with the police forensic experts and a “thick docket” is with the Director of Public Prosecutions, who is busy compiling a charge sheet.
maggie
it would be interesting to see them plead the 5th..
by the time our courts GET through with them..
they would be wanting to plead the fifth ya think!! THAN DRINK A FIFTH
POOR ME POOR ME … POUR!!ME!!ANOTHER DRINK!!
I remember the report well also. Those Aruban/Dutch SAVAGES have got some nerve jerking Natalee’s family around the way they have!! How on earth could those PIGS have made such a statement (only to retract it), an admission of GUILT that could have brought closure to Natalee’s family???
BOYCOTT ARUBA AND THE NETHERLANDS TIL HELL FREEZES OVER!!
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
Richard: I believe Joran did confess in those early days and Paulus got it hidden because it was beyond the hours a 17 year could be questioned. Van Der Stratten then stepped in because he “owed” something to Paulus as Joran’s godfather. No one has been able to buck these two and therefore all the allegations against Natalee and her family to try to take the finger off Joran.
Further “proof” of my theory is Joran’s later confession to Patrick. And eventually his admission to a mental hospital.
I’ve been wondering what exactly they are doing to keep this piece of garbage out of the news recently since his mid-night exposure. One thing is for sure – Joran has a miserable life ahead of himself and his parents only think they helped him.
katablog
how can THOSE idiots live with themselves.. makes ONE wonder..what is the mentality of people in those countries.. their laws and thought process is totaly different than ours.
BUNCHA WACKOS…
they seem to have no values no sense of right or wrong.. they make and change laws to fit them..
there is something wrong when a 17 yr old boy can inflict such brutality and anger on an innocent person…
the kind of parents you have as role models can influence what kind of person you will turn out to be.. he was spoiled and self centered.. incorrigible… we all know his parents suck and that his father is evil…
his actions lately have been kept quiet but you know well that he is like a walking time bomb … his horns will uproot sometime or other..
I guess our value system is different than theirs… I just couldnt live with my self if I was the kind of parent that had a son like that…I would have made him come foward and tell the truth..I would of displayed some integrity… instead they intimidated and threatened all those that had knowledge of the facts….
they are pitiful.. no integrity … they are with no honor…
they best find someway to make things right.. they will face higher powers… they cannot intimade them!!!
alot of those officials are up in age…
god doesnt give good health to evil people…
they will face … god… they will stand accountable…
what goes around comes around…
how many of us have experienced that first hand!~?
I try to treat people like I want to be treated…
so if OFFICIALS in aruba treat people bad…
it will come around……..
how can it not!!!!
NO CORN FLAKES IN HELL!!!
brie
yes he did confess in the begining… remember every word we say is documented… and recorded in heaven… so there is no way he can deny it when he stands before god and the words he spoke are played back to him…what will he than say!!!!
Katablog … You may very well be right. Certainly the news was broadcast … and yet, at the same time it was broadcast that the suspects were going to lead police to the body. As far as I know, they didn’t.
I keep thinking that this case has a very unusual dimension to it. Maybe I’m 100% wrong and it’s as simple as some people say it is … but there seems to be some kind of pure maliciousness.
The Shango and Simian stuff, which I see not as someone wanting to be helpful but not daring to come forward with what they know (this is the consensus idea, but it makes no sense to me), but more like somebody taunting the Internet community and the world at large.
Somebody that wants attention paid to the case.
This “sudden breakdown” followed by a pledge to bring police to the body (didn’t happen).
And of course, the whole series of tapes by Patrick van der Eem in which we were told, among other things, that the Kalpoes had no involvement and that Natalee just happened to die in Joran’s arms. Not his fault at all.
Now, none of us can imagine Joran van der Sloot as some kind of criminal mastermind. But something seems just inexplicable to me.
Maybe I’m wrong, and stupidity and incompetence are to blame for what’s been done, and not done, in Aruba. I can’t disprove it. But my assumption, one shared by most people here (I think) is that there is a cover-up.
If so, why has Aruba made no apparent effort to unravel it?
Anyway, I’m still scratching my head, torn between ideas … and with no proof.
“these four miserable excuses (to quote from the past) of oxygen to carbon dioxide generators”
Crossbow, great line!
richard you have a good point about the car. it’s soooo irrelevant. a person can get into a cab with a driver they don’t know. that doesn’t give said driver the right to murder them.
joran & crew are on borrowed time. he’s cut ties with the kalpoes & they know too much. eventually one of them will get married & confide in a spouse. the truth will make it’s way out.
one would have to be a heartless coward to allow other parents to go through this heartache in order to save their own retched spawn.
Richard, one of the few early articles I kept is one from Hasibokos. The link no longer works as Hasibokos closed down for several months and I have been unable to find this on the site since. But here is what I copied way back when:
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/11/2005
Van der Straten doesn’t believe Natalee is alive (Friday): While Chief prosecutor Karin Janssen stated this week that they don’t have any indication that Natalee Holloway is dead, during an interview this week Police Superintendent Jan van der Straten told the reporter that he doesn’t believe that Natalee is still alive. Maybe this should only be interpreted as his personal opinion but the fact remains that he has inside information and knows how the investigation is going. So he is basing his opinion on the facts. With regard to Natalee’s status, van der Straaten gave the following statement to a Dutch reporter:
Rep: Hebt u nog hoop op een goede afloop?
Jan: Hoop moet je altijd hebben, maar ik geloof niet meer dat we Natalee levend zullen terugvinden.
Rep: Waarom niet?
Jan: Omdat ik het onderzoek ken en u niet.
HBK-Translation:
Rep: Any hopes for a positive outcome?
Jan: You always have to be hopeful, but I don’t believe anymore that we will find Natalee alive.
Rep: Why not?
Jan: Because I know the details of the investigation and you don’t !
The story was published by a couple of newspapers in The Netherlands yesterday and today. You can view one of the Dutch reports here in Haagsche Courant (local newspaper of The Hague)
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From that same Hasibokos blog and link back in ’05, I kept this quote from an article in Telegraph in the Netherlands. Detectives told Dutch reporters their theory:
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Article in De Telegraaf (Sunday) In a recent full-page article in De Telegraaf (biggest newspaper in The Netherlands), they dedicated attention to the Natelee Holloway’s disappearance and the suspected involvement of the Dutch judge-in-training Paul van der Sloot and his son Joran. The article covered mostly all the events since the disappearance of Natalee but there were also a few statements that were not (broadly/publicly) reported before.
What happened to Natalee?
According to the article, the detectives believe strongly that Natalee was taken to the light house located at the Northern part of Aruba by the 3 young suspects. Once they were there it is believed that these suspects tried to engage in sexual activity with the Natalee, but she most likely refused and tried to fight them off. She was consequently murdered (during the struggle) and her body was then dumped somewhere on the island or in the sea.
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Why did she get in the car? You’re right, Richard, it’s irrelevant. However, if we can learn anything from a crime, it’s how to take some precautions to minimize the risk of becoming a victim ourselves. Beth talks about this, warns people to have a plan to get home, just as you have a plan to meet and go out. Of course her message includes a lot more, but there is a huge difference between blaming the victim and looking at it from the perspective of learning some harsh lessons that will hopefully prevent others from becoming victims. People have been blaming women for sex crimes for centuries, certain societies still do. Fortunately, most people now understand that a man is responsible for his actions even if a girl is drinking or wearing a short skirt. Duh.
he’s cut ties with the kalpoes & they know too much. eventually one of them will get married & confide in a spouse. the truth will make it’s way out.
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I wonder what kind of cretan would marry one of those filthy POS Kalpoe rapist wimps?
Wouldn’t she just be better off ordering an inflatable from a catalog?
I would have to conclude from what is posted, everyone is of the consensus that Paul Brough and Lorenzo van Rijn (Mr, Xtacy) had nothing to do with Natalee’s disappearance. It is rumored that Paul and Lorenzo are business partners where Paul does video snuff films of young teenagers and Lorenzo provides xxx tours of the red light districts and provides the elders with guarded parties that start at 2:30 am every month. Both are rumored to have Escort services where anything goes.
Reportedly Max Arends or Arendz is a good friend of Lorenzo. Spends a lot of time at the drag strip outside San Nicolas. It just so happens that Max attended the International School. Seems to me that someone else also went to school there and they are friends. Oh now I remember Joran.
It just so happens the uncle of the Kalpoes owns the property where the Indo Restaurant, The infamous Lion’s Den and Matty’s apartments are located. The addresses are 15 and 17 Noord. (Capslockwizard)
Lorenzo just happened to be the fifth person questioned (not arrested). He was having an end of the month party on May 30th. It was also rumored that Max was the one at Joran’s apartment the night Natalee disappeared. It was rumored that Natalee was taken among other locations ending up at Lorenzo’s and that Lorenzo had some of Natalee’s clothing. Granted; nothing was confirmed but there has to be some basis for rumors to start.
But that is ok; we just continue to focus our attention on Joran, Deepak, Satish and Paulus. Why? Because Dr. Hodges says so. Because Art Wood says so. Because Joran says Natalee is in the Ocean and because DeVries has solved the mystery. So now that everyone is thinking inside the box then my conclusion is …..there is no conclusion
All the “SUSPECTS” are free, we have no convictions and Joran is safely off the island.
BTW: What ever happened to Pink Productions video…”Comedy on Aruba”… actors were cast but I can’t find anything on the title.
Why did Williem van Cromvoirt lie about his son, then sold his busines and flee to The Netherlands?
Why did Alexander Gottenbos sell is business and flee Aruba? Why did Jorge Pasquere tell Beth that Natalee’s disappearance was a coverup and then he fled Aruba to Palm Beach FL.?
So many people “not related to the case” just fleeing the island is analagous to RATS leaving a sinking ship. Now isn’t that strange?????
carpe
joran proved to be no loyal friend to anyone . he dogged the kalpoes many times and degraded them to others….
he thought hiself to good for them… and even through it all they didnt say much… other than the comments they made in the begining about how evil and crazy joran was..
they dont fear joran .. but his evil dad…
how can one man have such power…
im sure if someone would get pauulus alone in a dark alley.. all that would change right quick…
he would pee his pants.. ya think…..
Crossbow, where does Freddy fit in???? Freddy knows…..
I believe that they had been watching the MB girls for days, waiting to make a move. I think that was the norm..trolling for young female American tourists… I remember one of the MB males saying one of the group almost got in a fight with Joran earlier and that the first people he thought of when Natalee went missing was J2K.. I do believe Natalee was more than likely drugged. The drink on the way out of rum151. Easy to drop something in a drink. Takes a bit for a drug to take effect. I also believe Natalee was more than likely assaulted. Why else would 3 guys go home to take showers etc.and go to a bar at almost closing time. to go drive around a half hour then go home.?One does not hide a body or refer to the person as a body right away when they are simply missing, unless they know something. One does not go online and tell someone, the fact the girl is dead isn’t good or if I knew where the body was, I would tell you. One does not go to so much trouble to hide a body unless there is incriminating evidence on it.. such as if they find the body, they will see that …….Sh%t.
Joran talked about how they would say they were from Holland on vacation in Aruba.. like a tourist too. to girls. Paulus on the computer the next day.. drugs, alcohol, the effects on young people, lawyers..getting lawyers for the Kalpoes.,Deepak
s car at the house that night, Deepak’s car at the police station the next morning, cleaning the car during the night, Anita calling a witness to the house to find out what he told the police..Deepak saying Paulus and all came up with the Holiday Inn then changing it to he made it up. The wild goose chase to get people away from the Sloots that night, Joran first denying he even knew Natalee or her name.. Charles Croes saying right off Joran told him Natalee was on drugs possibly drinking,,when he served the rum151 on the way out. Sexual stuff he admitted to saying she was going in and out of conscious.
I believe Straten and Paulus set out to cover it up and it snowballed from there. I don’t believe they had any idea a mother would arrive so soon or a family would stay on the air daily to try and find answers like the Holloway/Twitty’s have. There have been too many lies and strange going ons for one small happy island.. If indeed they were really wanting the truth to come out and solve this, they would’ve invited the FBI, scotland yard, Interpol whoever ASAP to get answers fast in the early days, searched the Sloots and Kalpoes body and property the first night, separated all 3 the first night and questioned them.. Questioned all neighbors.. Instead they did none of that, let them meet for days, meeting with Paulus, let the FBI watch, no searches for 10 days and the Sloots weren’t searched completly for 2 years.. They knew right off these guys were liars,, even watched the tape Natalee didn’t return, yet still arrested 2 black men with alibis. What kind of a leader of a country has a missing person on his island, high profile and makes a statement in about 6 months of I am sick of this case? They hated Beth for shining a big spotlight on their crap, they were able to do for years in the dark. They wanted to shut a mother up who was searching high and low, for her beautiful daughter. Make a list of everything we have seen of the Sloots the past 3 years and yet nothing done to them and still walking around. What about the tape in the casino that appears to be Paulus sitting by Natalee talking to her. Why has noone come forward to say that is me not Paulus, why haven’t the police? I remember the Aruban spokesperson that was going to let us know if that was Paulus and never appeared on tv again..after he said that.
The cops and others think it’s terrible that Caylee’s mother seems so passive and cuckoo, worrying about her bf and her life while her daughter is missing 31 days plus …and then these people in Aruba think it’s terrible and not normal a family has tried to move heaven and hell to find their missing daughter for 3 years.
38 Always1 IMO Freddy was the camera man at the Lion’s Den and Steve Croes the camera man at Lorenzo’s.
Was watching Geraldo just now and they were talking about the Drew Peterson case and the 2 people who wore a wire for the cops and tape over 1000 hours of Drew and the couple think what they got in tape along with the other will put Drew away..and then Geraldo had his panel comment. Kimberly Guilfoyle.(misp) said I just hope it isn’t like Joran Vander Sloot confessing on tape to murdering Natalee Holloway and then nothing is done to him, but she said I have more faith in our justice system though.
L’il Puma (#32 and #33) … According to one pundit in this case, it is more accurate to translate that remark by van der Straaten as: “I know she’s dead because I’m in charge of the investigation and you’re not.”
I don’t know Dutch, consequently am in no position to say anything about this.
And in #33 … the detectives may have had that theory about the lighthouse and attempted assault by J2K, but we now know that the Kalpoes had nothing to do with it.
How do we know this? Why, Joran van der Sloot told Patrick van der Eem as much.
Are you going to think that Joran lied to us, for whatever reason? After all, every single detail in his confession is … corroborated by Joran, and by Joran only, as far as I know.
Of course, he is totally reliable. Just look at how he has been straightforward and honest since day one.
Well, if his comment that the Kalpoes aren’t involved at all contradicts common sense, and everything that we have seen over the last three years … then how do we know where the truth begins and the lies end?
How do we know that Joran and “Daury” are the sole characters involved?
I mean, doesn’t it seem a little hard to think that PvdScum and JvdStraaten concocted something that has held together as an alibi for three years? If they are the only ones involved, then how is it that Aruba has been able to do naught?
As the honorable Crossbow says, why have all of these people fled Aruba if things are as simple as many believe? One wonders ….
PS … As I remember, Art Wood was saying that he could lead any water search team right to Natalee’s body. Maybe I’m misquoting Art Wood … but if this comment is accurate, things haven’t worked out this way so far.
Richard 30:
That line is so puuuurfect but I can only take credit for remembering it. I have since forgotten who here had composed it.
42 Art Wood Shoots for show and can’t putt for dough. We don’t have to worry about him walking on water; he has too many holes in his feet from shooting from the hip.
Again a water search??(unproven).
Took credit for finding that leather belt that looked like Joran’s. Interviewed “SOMEONE” who helped bury Natalee the first time???? Really?
Pray tell us who and where……
MissKatie on July 27th, 2008 4:42 pm
carpe
joran proved to be no loyal friend to anyone . he dogged the kalpoes many times and degraded them to others….
he thought hiself to good for them… and even through it all they didnt say much… other than the comments they made in the begining about how evil and crazy joran was..
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With all due respect, Miss Katie…
I like you. BUT…
I think Deepak & Sal-Tish Kalpoe of Aruba
(I love it when Beth calls him SAL-TISH)
are dirty, filthy, rapists & murderers.
Just as dirty as Joran. I do not think they
have fooled anyone. Me hopez theyz getz the
wicked trippy Hindu squirts knocked out of ‘em!
And, Carpe, that raises again the question I asked above (and that many others have asked):
Does anyone believe Joran’s statement in his ‘confession’ to Patrick van der Eem that the Kalpoes had nothing to do with what happened?
No?
Then if we think that is a lie, what reason is there to believe any of the rest of it?
This, of course, doesn’t disprove anything … but when someone has come up with more than 20 versions of one story, I have a problem in putting faith in anything he says.
I’m thinking more and more that, beginning with Shango and Simian and now going on to the ‘confession,’ there’s some kind of psychopathic behavior at work.
Someone who wants the eyes of the world upon him (or them) and revels in the idea of having pulled off the ‘perfect crime.’
Who could that be?
CARPE
i KNOW THAT i THINK MY WORDING DINT EXPLAIN MY INTENT.. I should of completed my sentence with…
but they were just as involved and very cocky with beth… I was merely making the point that joran is nobodys loyal friend even to those two kalpoes that thought so highly of him..just because they are sneaky and out of the lime light doesnt make them any less involved.. they are just sneakier in their doings and involvement.. I do not like eith or… they are dirty rotten scoundrels!!!
After the confession was made public, the polis went to find the body that was not there….who moved the body? From there it became a massive cover up…once the ball got rolling everyone in Aruba had a relative involved in the cover up, if not the murder, ain’t that right Pauley?
Yeah, another busy day on the beach Aruba. Stinkin to the high heavens.
47 missunderstood….yes a great day on bucuti beach….webcam shows not one single person on the beach……a great day in aruba.
hit them where it hurts…..in the pocketbook.
no justice for natalee, no american $$ for aruba.
maggie 10……hopefully under oath we can get to the truth. if the dutch government has one ounce of justice in it’s veins. does anyone know what is going on with Beth’s lawsuit in the Netherlands? i’d pay money for the trip to the Netherlands just to sit in the courtroom and watch paulus sweat under oath and the kalpoes crack, handcuffed and hauled off to prison. o happy day!! now if someone could just find that little chit joran and put him out of our misery……..where is the little sporter anyway? haven’t heard any news on the piece of garbage lately.
The Kalpoes are suing for big bucks.. Perhaps excluding them from a story to help them win and cash in? Just a thought..
Mama always said watch out for the quiet ones.. Always wondered why Satish is so quiet.. I remember the mention of him having a gun ..
I remember too that 3 fisherman was on the beach that night and they said they saw noone to match Joran or Natalee’s description.. Joran said lots of people on the beach that night.. None have came forward to see him there..
I still don’t believe they were ever at the beach, unless it was to dispose of Natalee.
Picking an intoxicated girl up at the bar, you aren’t gonna take her on the beach with lots of people around. I still think they went to the Sloots house. You can see the total lack of respect for women they have.. Natalee had done nothing to them, but look at the names they called her and the stupid comments Natalee never did make about black people, they claimed she said. Trying to play the race card, while framing 2 black guards. J2K did not think that up on their own.
Lots of places that have never been searched that could hide a body.. When you are in power and live in Aruba, you know. but the water is a very good possibility too. IMO
Miss-Underestimated (#47) … Do you believe that the body was there in the first place?
who would marry a kalpoe bro… obviously some hoe-bag. browsing through the tickle websites of their friends i’d say they have quite an assortment in aruba!
lol lol txchic
Richard
yes I do, remember in Dave’s book, when he saw a cop throw something in his trunk. I do not think she was thrown in the sea immediately. I could be wrong, but that is my belief.
Two Cents Worth -
I believe all 3 boys were involved in Natalee’s death. The Kalpoe brother could have easily pin the crime on Van Der Sloot. Joran would not need the brothers for corroborating an alibi. Therefore, there was evidence on Natalee showing trauma and rape from all three boys. The nightmares Joran said Satish had in jail of Natalee’s ghost haunting him.
They never took Natalee to the beach or lighthouse. Both areas are too public with a chance of interuption. It was either at the Van Der Sloot Compound or a place the boys would know would not cause alarm (a scream be heard or a chance Natalee could escape).
I think Natalee body was taken to the South side of Aruba being dump in the rough sea (Aruba would feed sharks on the south side of the Island to keep the resort area clear) or buried in a cave system. She was transported in Kalpoe’s car. The trauma to Natalee was bruising from rape and suffocation. No blood. Kalpoe brothers cleaning car but no blood found. (The initial alibi had Natalee banging her head on the curb. The boys were sure she was going to be found.)
I do believe at some point will be a confession from one of the Kalpoe brothers.
# 20 richard
Anyone that harps on the fact Natalee got into kelpoes car should be yelled at. It is a way of making an excuse for J2K. I have give a couple of short answers myself. You are right getting into someones is not a crime.
BOYCOTT ARUBA JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
55 sparks…i agree with you. i hope that once the kalpoes get into court, if beth’s lawsuit goes through in the Netherlands, they will spill it….they have been living with this for 3 years now and one or both of them will come clean.
did anyone see Good Morning America this morning? they mentioned the unsolved Natalee Holloway case on aruba in their segment about crime in the caribbean…..
crossbow 36….your last questions…i’ve often asked myself the same questions,why? and why has our own FBI not gotten to the bottom of those questions? it stinks.
richard 29….the simian/shango postings are a mystery to me. i’ve tried to unravel them as i’m sure many have. i still believe it is Jossy Mansuer. someone who had intimate knowledge of the goings on in aruba at that time. it had to be someone that wanted us to know the truth but who’s life or family could be jeopardized if they came forward. jossy has been laying (sp)low for some time now. i believe that there is someone who posts here that knows who Shango/Simian is. just a gut feeling i have.
one more thing, i’d like to tell all those individuals who keep harping on “why did she get into their car” or “if she hadn’t gotten into the car she might be alive today” to shut the hell up with your ignorant remarks such as those.Did it ever occur to you that maybe she did not have a choice. maybe she was drugged, as many of us suspect she was, maybe she did not have control over her actions due to the drug she was given or maybe she had been drinking a little too much. all of that is irrevelant. she was taken advantage of, targeted, drugged, raped, murdered and disposed of all at the hands of joran, the two kalpoes and Paul van der sloot. those 4 person know exactly what happened to natalee. they might be keeping tight lipped now but the day will come when they stand before their maker and then they will have to answer the charges put before them. there will be no lies then. god knows the truth already. natalee is there with him. then the trap doors of hell will open wide for everyone who has played a part in this crime. everyone, no matter how small a role. everyone and anyone who holds a piece of crucial evidence to themselves without stepping forward will burn in hell alongside paulus, anita and joran, van der stratten, karin jansen, dompig, etc ,the whole lot of them.
ARUBA eats it hard, dawg…
without nary a spot of ketchup on it!
This is what I am sayin…
BUH-COOTIE BEACH CAM
http://tinyurl.com/57tX3e
http://tinyurl.com/6zw8o2
Where is the love?
-Justice 4 Nat!
omg kaye
you put it so well .. I couldnt of said it better.. it reflects my thoughts about the situation… they will ay.. your wording is right on…
Kaye (#58) … If we assume that Jossy Mansur is indeed Simian/Shango, or is one of several people who put out those postings, my question still is:
IF we assume that these people had solid knowledge about something, why would they spend their time sending cryptic messages to Internet blogs?
Jossy Mansur has been at odds with the Aruban government for some time, I understand … but surely the owner of a newspaper has some power.
After all, remember that he publicly opposed the boycott-Aruba movement. (Not surprisingly, given that he owns an Aruban newspaper.) Surely his interest, just like that of the Aruban government, would be in doing everything he could to have the case solved asap, and the guilty convicted and punished, thereby showing the world that yes, law and order DO prevail in Aruba.
No use re-inventing the wheel here or re-opening old questions; but I still don’t accept the notion that Simian/Shango (if they’re one and the same) are necessarily on the side of the family.
meant to say they will pay… and all involved I may add will split hell wide open.. they cannot escape gods judgement..
they will hear their own words verbatim and see a rerun of their actions….
the list I am sure is long.. it will be revealed who was a part of it..
By the way … Mr. Jossy Mansur promised me, in a personal e-mail, that he would take the lead in fund-raising on Aruba to bring back the Persistence. If ANYONE should want to promote its work, it should be the Aruban community.
What have you done on your promise, Mr. Mansur?
Something, I hope….
You know what? Even though we all know that the 4 perps:JORAN PAUULUS 2 KALPOE BROTHERS were all directly involved and responsible….and we all realize they will meet their maker….what if we still are all getting sick and damn tired of waiting for that day to come?? Damnit! It’s just not good enough!! The longer and colder this case gets, the more I fear the whole truth will never be revealed. Beth and Dave Holloway—Wow….what pillars of strength they have been.
God Bless You, Natalee….NEVER FORGET !!
-J4N
To Kaye:
You’re right to the point. I do believe Natalee did not have a choice getting into Kalpoe’s car. I believe there was a drug slipped into her drink. I believe she was in a state unable to make choices for herself.
65 new girl…..i feel the same frustration as you. it has gone on for way too long. i just think that one day soon joran and the whole vdscum family will fall. someone will get joran.although i’m surprised that a sniper has not taken him out before now. but when it happens, it will be like a smack in anita’s face. she will break.
62 richard……i believe you to be a man of great intelligence, i respect your opinions and i can understand your loyalty to Jossy having had personal contact with the gentleman.
Not that i believe Jossy had any direct involvement in natalees death but i do believe he has more information that could be revealed. I have nothing to support this theory except for the fact that after hours and hours, weeks and weeks, months and months of reading and research i for one still feel that the most powerful family on the island of aruba has control over anything and everything they want to have control over…including, what the newspaper (Jossy) prints, what the media speaks, what the ALE do, who is murdered, etc.
you might be interested in this clip from the article “Rothschilds of the mafia in aruba”.
It’s a very lengthy report but very well worth reading if you want to make the connections in drug/money laundering/human trafficking….
“Aruban Connections
The Interbank is owned by the Mansur Family. If anybody owns 60 per cent of the island, it is this powerful family. The Mansurs made their fortune as cigarette manufacturers and in the import-export business. With a licence of Philip Morris, they are the major suppliers of Marlboros in the Caribbean basin. The Mansurs sponsor the best baseball team – Aruba’s national sport – the Marlboro Red Tigers as well as the AVP party of Prime Minister Henny Eman. They own the biggest hotel and time-sharing complex, La Cabana, with its inevitable casino. And they have a couple of import-export businesses in the Free Trade Zone.
Jossy Mansur is the owner and chief editor of the biggest newspaper on the island, “Diario”. “When I read an article in Diario, I know what will be the next action of the government,”says Hendrik Croes, adding that the Mansurs create a climate of fear and intimidation on Aruba. Their newspapers force others off the market. Furthermore, “their annual income is bigger than the yearly budget of the government. And you may guess how they make that kind of money”.”Jossy Mansur is not impressed claiming that accusing people of drug trafficking and money laundering “has become a political tool to discredit them”.” (75) Jossy Mansur acts as the family’s mouthpiece, Ruben and the elder Alex are the patriarchs, and Elias ‘Don’ Mansur is the family’s whizz-kid. Elias graduated at Notre Dame University, and was Minister of Economic Affairs in Eman’s first cabinet. As representative for the Free Trade Zone entrepreneurs in a mixed Dutch-Aruban commission he has to recommend measures to tighten regulations in the FTZ to prevent money laundering and contraband, together with Dutch government officials. (76)
More and more the name Mansur turns up in money laundering cases. Alex and Eric Mansur were indicted in Puerto Rico in August 1994. (77) President Clinton specifically mentioned the Mansur’s when he put Aruba on the list of Major Illicit Drug-transit Countries in December 1996. Although no member of the family was actually indicted in the La Costa case, the name Mansur is frequently is found in the files which were seized at Habibe’s home on Aruba.
The Mansur Family seems to have all the right connections in its corner of the Caribbean. Some Mansur’s still have Venezuelan nationality, and they have interests in Maracaibo and Caracas, as well as in Punto Fijo and Coro, where the originally Lebanese Mansur Family had settled before moving to Aruba. Punto Fijo is situated on the Paraguaná peninsula in the North at the Golfo de Venezuela, which separates it from La Guajira. A ferry connects Punto Fijo to Aruba. Some 20 years ago, in 1974, a few Sicilians set up a fishing company in Punto Fijo called “Mediterranea Pesca”. Among the shareholders: Leonardo and Giuseppe Caruana and Giuseppe Cuffaro. The company owned a sea-going vessel and Italian police suspected that “in view of the background of the owners it is probably a cover for drug trafficking”.” (80)
and before someone jumps on me…..i know the mafia conducts business in the united states and it has for decades. just food for thought. interesting reading.
reality check is what anita needs.. when someone does her demented son in.. shes gonna crack like an egg thorwn on a hot cement..
maybe than she will know the..pain.. of loss… she thinks shes exempt.. but we all know differently.. I agree a new girl . even though we know that the idiots will face god.. theres still time slipping away here on earth with all the answers… we would like to see justice now .. some answers.. anita doesnt realize her sons a walking time bomb…
poof someday someone will snuff him out… for whatever reason…
Kaye:
I believe Klaas revealed the Shango posts didn’t come from Aruba.
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Klaas:
Correct me if I’m wrong.
___________________________
SM: Appearances are that Shango/Florida, Simian/Aruba (klaasend)
thanks patti……frustrating trying to put all the pieces together……one day everything will come together. it will all be revealed. hopefully, justice will be served for nat, beth, dave, family. pray.
It’s okay…
I believe Shango…
and
if you compare Simian with what was going on…
He was right on the mark.
.
I like Jossy.
.
Besides, anyone that is threatened
for his work in reporting the news…
and
stands up to Oduber…
is a friend of mine.
.
I wish SM would cover more of his news.
Not sure what happened.
.
It’s like a bad soap opera…
keeping track of their
corrupt Ministers.
patti 70 …..
i read an article in Diario yesterday that Jossy has returned to his house in Florida for a month for some reason (the web translation of papimento is not that great). curious. jossy/florida/shango.
Idiomatic and figurative language. ,