Aruba Wishes to Continue to Accuse Family of Missing Natalee Holloway (Beth Holloway) for her Disappearance


Here is a bit of information for those that wish to make conspiracy theories that the family was involved in Natalee Holloway’s disappearance. Before one makes an Oliver Stone type accusation … look at the fact and the motives. Lies? Is any normal thinking person really going to compare the lies that have transpired in the case of missing Natalee Holloway in Aruba?

Who is more likely to blame, a mother 1000’s of miles a way or a group of boys that have gone to Carlos n’ Charlies many times before and done the same thing, except “nothing had gone wrong before”?

New’ evidence reinforces Beth Twitty’s lie (Amigoe)

The computer print-out showing that Beth had lied about her arrival time in Aruba.

WILLEMSTAD/ORANJESTAD – From a print-out of Natalee Holloway’s telephone it appears that the private jet of her mother Beth had already landed in Aruba at 17:15 on May 30.  At least, that’s what TV-producer from Curacao, Renée Gielen says.  She has the telephone print-out of Natalee’s cellular telephone.

This is very striking, says Gielen, because according to her, it means that Beth Holloway wanted to come to Aruba before Natalee was missing.  “The print-out shows that Beth had called Natalee’s cell at 17:15.  She did that from her own cell and she could not have done that while being in the air.”  She emphasizes that it also means that the call was not done with a satellite telephone and it is also not probable that Beth’s private jet had made an intermediate landing from the United States.  “That is not usual on these short flights.  For that matter, she must have left even earlier.”

The print-out doesn’t show that it was a missed call, but that Beth had really talked to someone.  Gielen assumes that she had talked to Paul Lilly, one of the chaperones of Natalee during her vacation in Aruba.  Besides, when Beth arrived in Aruba, she was carrying a stack of posters asking Natalee to call her.  “This suggests that Beth must have known that there were problems, before Natalee disappeared”, says Gielen, who from the beginning of the disappearance case three years ago, is investigating the case.  Gielen and her team are now in the process of rounding off the documentary ‘‘Natalee, The Unrevealed Time Lines’ that is expected to be presented on June 2.


Gielen considers the print-out as new evidence that Beth had lied about the exact time of her arrival in Aruba.  She has been declaring all along that she arrived in Aruba ‘around 23:00’.  She also wrote this in her book ‘Loving Natalee’ that was published late last year.  A former employee of the airport, Alberto G, said before the cameras of Gielen that the private-jet of Beth had landed at 19:45.  He retracted his declaration, because, as he said, he was mistaken.  He did this after the Americans Dan Young and Kelly Castillo that claim to be detectives, showed a computer print-out indicating that Beth had arrived earlier.  G. confirmed the authenticity of that print-out.

The motive of Beth lying about her arrival time is still not clear.  Despite many telephone calls and e-mails, Gielen didn’t manage to reach Beth.  Also the police don’t know anything.  “The police say that there are no telephone data available from the radio tower equipment for that day, which is very coincidentally” says Gielen.  Former chief of police, Gerald Dompig told this newspaper earlier that at that time, the police had investigated the time line, the flight data, and also the flight movements.

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  • Comments

    101 Responses to “Aruba Wishes to Continue to Accuse Family of Missing Natalee Holloway (Beth Holloway) for her Disappearance”

    1. Miss-Underestimated on May 27th, 2008 6:45 am

      What a bunch of morons. The confession by Joran bears no weight to Aruba. This should be a testimony to all sane tourists.

      Avoid Aruba at all costs. They continually blame the victim, even though the suspect confessed

      Maybe Aruba should explain its own lies.

      “the suspect confessed and is leading the authorities to the body”

      “Daury took her on a boat and put her body in the sea”

    2. jim on May 27th, 2008 7:00 am


    3. katablog on May 27th, 2008 7:52 am

      A big thank you to Aruba! I was just thinking yesterday about the fact that the case has gone quiet for too long and maybe Aruba was going to get away with many Americans “forgetting” about it.

      I really appreciate it when Aruba brings the case back into the lime light with their really dumb “evidence” that has proved out every time to be manufactured by unreliable people who are liars.

      I sure hope this June 2 exposure of time lines will finally expose Paulus’ time line which to my knowledge has never been questioned by anyone in Aruba. But of course we know that Aruba merely focuses on trying to discredit Beth, Jug, Dave and Natalee so I won’t be holding my breath.

    4. richard on May 27th, 2008 7:53 am

      Only an Aruban newspaper could print this, because only in Aruba are people stupid enough to give this nonsense any heed.

      Natalee was on Aruba when she disappeared, not with her mother. People saw her going off in the car with the three scumbags … I mean stooges … uh, I mean suspects.

      What is this imbecile suggesting, that Beth and/or Dave were in some sort of pact or understanding with those three?

      Then again, in nearly three years Aruba has proven that it cannot, and/or will not, do anything in this case.

      Except, as the old phrase goes, lie, cheat, and steal.

      What message does that give, American people? What is the sanest approach to take with Aruba?

      You got it … boycott Aruba.

      And bring all of this to the attention of your legislators. Maybe, just maybe, there will be someone in our own government who thinks that taking measures to protect the American people against the actions of a foreign government that connives at, and promotes, the cover-up of a crime against an American is a good idea.

      Remember, there will be a protest in Washington, DC, in mid-June. Take part, or support those who do. Contact for more information.

      Boycott Aruba as if your life depended on it.

    5. crossbow on May 27th, 2008 7:56 am

      And the fact that Jorge Pasquere admitted to Beth that Natalee’s disappearance was a Aruban Government cover up is a lie also????????
      When are they going to get off the bash the victim and start to prosecute the suspects???????
      I guess when Deepak said “We took Natalee to the Lighthouse and Something bad happened”. Was that also a Beth lie?
      Why didn’t the ALE followup and drill Deepak for what was it that HAPPENED!!!!
      “I know that Natalee is no longer alive because I know more about the case then you do”: quote Van der Straaten. Yes definitely a Beth Twitty lie>>>>>>>>>>NOT
      I can’t wait for June 21st and Washington DC.

    6. Vicki on May 27th, 2008 8:07 am

      You Know this is worse than sickening, these ppl are just plain disgusting. what freaking morons…I wish I could -itch slap them all…

    7. minnesota dad on May 27th, 2008 8:25 am


      Please do not forget that Aruba is currently running a marketing campaign at

      Go there and make sure to click on their advertisement as they are expending click dollars on the advertisments and every time someone clicks through…Aruba pays.

      If the Aruba ad does not show up when you go there, just reload the page. It should show up with just a couple of reloads.


    8. MikefrMd on May 27th, 2008 8:37 am

      Seems the disimformation program is in full swing down there in Aruba.

      Their using the old nazi technics of if you tell a lie long enough the people will believe it.

      Does anyone down there use logic or common sense?

      The FBI needs to step in and at least dispell the false imformation being spread by the Aruban press.

      How anyone would want to visit that country is beyond me.

    9. Carpe on May 27th, 2008 8:51 am

      I’ll click ‘em to where the sun don’t shine MD.
      I have been warming up my clicking finger, it is
      taped up, and I am ready to R-U-M-B-L-E!

      ARUBA = How ya say it.
      MAFIA = How ya spell it.

      If u don’t know, you need to
      stop and “axle” somebody.

    10. crossbow on May 27th, 2008 9:04 am

      Another Beth Twitty lie???????????????/
      “You are asking me whether I asked Joran for Guido’s phone-number. I did indeed do that to verify with Guido if Joran had truly won third place at the Holiday Inn Tournament. Joran had told me he had won third place, he said he had won $150 and had exchanged these into Aruban florin. I had my doubts because he hadn’t told me he had won the money immediately after winning it. I spoke with Guido at the “Raquet Club” and he told me Joran did indeed win third or fourth place. I allow Joran to play the “Free Tournaments” but he is not allowed to play for real money in the casino.”

      This dispels the myth when Guido says he does not know Joran.
      But his father sure does.

      Note!!!! NOT ALLOWED TO PLAY FOR REAL MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      To your question whether I went to the bank without stopping or going anywhere else, I can state the following. I at least cannot
      remember having been anywhere else. I think I went directly to the bank. At the bank I talked to Ruth DIJKHOFF. At the bank I deposited the money that Joran said that he had won in the “Free Tournament in the Holiday Inn” on the 29th of May 2005. It was approximately 500 Aruban guilders. Joran had given me 100 guilders because he had taken over my place in the
      tournament. Ruth I believe is his housemaid.


      All are definitely Beth Twitty lies.

      Except that this comes right out of the following police statement.
      On June 18th 2005 at approximately 18.30 hours, we interviewed as a witness the man who when asked for his name and details, stated to be, Paulus Antonius Petrus Johanna van der SLOOT born in the Netherlands on February 15th 1952, occupation judge (Joint Court) and living at ADDRESS REMOVED in Aruba for further information.

    11. MissKatie on May 27th, 2008 9:05 am

      these aruban idiots infuriate me… they have stepped in their poop so many times and continue to … they just dont seem to know when to put a plug in it…. do they.. what idiots.. do they think people will actualy believe this..
      we need to continue the boycott at all costs…

    12. da_wench on May 27th, 2008 9:06 am

      So what’s the average IQ in Aruba? 12??? What really gets me about One Crappy Island is that they think the rest of the world is stupid enough to believe this BS.

    13. Carpe on May 27th, 2008 9:06 am

      They have defamed, and defiled Elmo’s li’l hunny bunny foo foo. Prepare your self for a duel, knaves!

      Dat really singes his fuzzy dice.

      (Elmo ambles over and smacks
      Paulus and Joran in face
      with gauntlet)

      justice 4 natalee

    14. MissKatie on May 27th, 2008 9:23 am

      I would love to bitch slap every official that opens their mouth against beth.. this is so disturbing and disgusting… they have no common sense…

      Cant be pass out flyers near every travel agency.. to ensure people read and possibly persuade them to stay out of aruba at all costs…
      there has to be more we can do…

      they are blundering idiots….

    15. Miss-Underestimated on May 27th, 2008 9:40 am

      Aruba needs to take some lessons from Italy
      arrest a man who drugged a tourist guys capo-cino to rob him, the victim was ran over by a train, as he was walking. Italy locked up the perp.

    16. Frank on May 27th, 2008 10:09 am

      When my youngest daughter was 2 years old she accidently knocked over a lamp and it broke. When asked what happened she innocently said “Sister did it.” Her sister was at school when the lamp broke. Now….my daughter was only 2…so what she said was cute as hell and the lamp was quickly forgiven. Of course, she was taught not to lie when she was able to comprehend a lie.

      This “grown woman”…suppossedly a reporter of some sort… far worse than a 2 year old. She is making assumptions and trying to plant outlandish conspiracy ideas in the heads of the unthinking people in Aruba and elsewhere….and expecting everyone to believe her assumptions. This isnt forgivable and it certainly isnt innocent or cute. She doesnt “think” Beth could or would have called from elsewhere prior to arriving in Aruba…and she is more than likely wrong. This so called producer should already know not to lie or try to spread lies of assumption. The multitude of truths and provable facts in this case only make her out to be a sorry excuse of an apologist for the failing of the Aruban officials and the crimes of the punks and their fathers in Aruba.

      My vacation plans have been made fot the coming year….two weeks….in our own beautiful country….never in Aruba.

    17. Carpe on May 27th, 2008 10:09 am

      …and another thing…

      In that Patrick Van der eem interview on “Jensen”
      in Holland last week…

      Patrick’s book “Overboard” is set to drop
      over there on June 25th. (usa is supposed
      to be after that)

      His ghostwriter “whatitzname” in part 2 of
      the interview…

      Jensen says to her:

      “So you’re American?”

      She says back to him: “Yes, SORRY!!!”

      That skank! She looks like sumpin’ that fell
      out of the Cyndi Lauper “Girls Just Wanna Have
      Fun” music video circa 1983. Got legs like a dang
      piano bench! Rusty buzzard.

      They played the video clips of Patrick & Poentje
      off Tele-Aruba that I recorded with my hand-cam
      and laptop… so at one point in my YOU TUBES,
      you are looking at my laptop in my office, through
      my laptop in my office again. It makes ya feel like you’re at a circus, inside the house with the funny mirrors. (for the you tubes click on my name)

    18. brie. on May 27th, 2008 10:21 am

      So what brought all of this up, out of blue, Gielen must need viewers, also the anniversary of Natalee is approaching, Ric Smid is also in Curacao and maybe the Sloot’s wanted a jump on Beth, knowing it will probably hit the press….Beth has her facts together and Aruba is distorting the truth, changing and altering information as usual….Beth never arrived with poster’s asking Natalee to call her, those poster’s were made in Aruba under Julia’s Renfro’s direction…let’s see the computer print out of Paulus’s time line, Paulus’s, Joran’s and Sander’s cellphone records…

    19. Tamikosmom on May 27th, 2008 10:46 am

      3. katablog on May 27th, 2008 7:52 am
      A big thank you to Aruba! I was just thinking yesterday about the fact that the case has gone quiet for too long and maybe Aruba was going to get away with many Americans “forgetting” about it.

      I really appreciate it when Aruba brings the case back into the lime light with their really dumb “evidence” that has proved out every time to be manufactured by unreliable people who are liars


      Katablog … I agree. ANY NEWS out of Aruba is preventing the Natalee Holloway case from becoming a distance memory … even misinformation. Hey … Monkeys are able to reveal the truth behind the Aruban agenda to discredit the woman who refused to be silent regarding the corrupt investigation which three years later continues to distance their own from implication and … deny her precious daughter justice.

      Logic dictates that there must be an official flight record in the States which confirms the time when the private plane with Beth on board left Alabama … records that would expose this latest Aruban distraction/attempt to distance Joran and Paulus from implication as well as … discredit Beth.

      Where is the official Aruban documentation pertaining to the time of arrival of this private jet?

      Alberto Groeneveldt … a handler … was not the only witness at the airport who could testify to when the private jet touched down on American soil on May 30, 2005.

      * Claudio Stamper – Handler
      * Eldrith Henriquez – Handler
      * U.S. Homeland Security Office

      It is pathetic that the only witness that Renee’ Gielen could produce was one who initially confirmed Beth’s timeline in her book but … later implied he was “mistaken”.


      Beth Holloway
      Chapter: Everyone Knows Everyone
      Page 33-36

    20. LilPuma on May 27th, 2008 10:48 am

      1. How did Renee get Natalee’s cell phone records?
      2. Did Natalee have her phone with her in Aruba?
      3. Did Natalee have International calling on that phone? (Beth and Nat’s friends said no.)
      4. 5:15 pm. The MB group knew Natalee was missing early in the morning.
      5. If you want to verify this, check with the FAA or airport that Beth’s flight took off from in Alabama. Unlike Aruba, they would have no reason to lie and probably keep better records than Aruba.

      Has Renee published these cell phone records for all to see? Has Renee contacted the FBI with this piece of evidence?

      Sadly, many Arubans will believe this.

    21. crossbow on May 27th, 2008 10:49 am

      Here is a list of police statements given by the various suspects; See which ones are missing.
      See if you can find the lies imbedded in the text.

    22. Sweet_thang on May 27th, 2008 10:49 am

      The pukes continue trying to smear the Holloway family, and of course the sheep in Lieruba (and tragically some in the US), will swallow the lies hook, line, and sinker.

      Pathetic, and heartbreaking.

      Boycott until the scoundrels drop!

    23. LilPuma on May 27th, 2008 10:55 am

      I read that Anita had an art show in Aruba. If you’re interested in some artwork, please check this out:

      It was painted by an artist named Koko. She’s a gorilla who is gentle and loving, knows sign language, and is a true ambassador for other gorillas who are living peaceful lives and being slaughtered in Africa. She is also not helping cover up a murder.

    24. Tamikosmom on May 27th, 2008 11:04 am


      Missing White Female
      by Bryan Burrough January 2006

      In those tumultuous first days, Beth’s most valuable allies were Julia Renfro, the 37-year-old American-born editor of an English-language daily, Aruba Today, and one of her reporters, Angela Munzenhofer, a tough-talking American whose family runs one of the island’s popular restaurants. When Beth walked into the paper’s office THE DAY AFTER SHE ARRIVED, Renfro, a statuesque blonde, stopped the presses to run a front-page photograph of Natalee. Renfro and Munzenhofer both have children, and they identified with Beth’s desperation; the three women became inseparable. The FIRST FLYERS posted around the island carried two numbers people could call with tips: Renfro’s and Munzenhofer’s cell phones. “At the beginning, I was the one Beth trusted,” says Munzenhofer. “She called me her angel. We were with them day and night. We weren’t reporters. We were family. Beth told us that.”

    25. Miss-Underestimated on May 27th, 2008 11:20 am

      Aside from this article. WTF does this have to do with Natalee missing and the confessons , 2 of them?

      LilPuma, almost did’t recognize her, but did recognize the hairdo.

    26. Carpe on May 27th, 2008 11:22 am
    27. Carpe on May 27th, 2008 11:25 am


      “Renfro, a statuesque blonde”

      Yeah, she’s statue-esque, alright. I was thinking
      more along the lines of the spoof statue of “THE THINKER”, sitting on the johnnie hopper, tho’.

    28. MissKatie on May 27th, 2008 11:35 am

      I highly doubt that tim miller will get to far with the search for that person missing.. because aruba is two faced.. lying and conniving…
      tim’s heart is in the right place..
      I think that aruba only allowed him in to search because if not.. the news would get out that aruba denied him acesss.. in light of the natalee holloway case they think they are being slick but they arent.. I wish tim the best.. but I have my doubts that they will allow him to get to close………..

    29. Tamikosmom on May 27th, 2008 12:09 pm

      25 .. Miss-Underestimated on May 27th, 2008 11:20 am
      Aside from this article. WTF does this have to do with Natalee missing and the confessons , 2 of them?


      Nothing! Absolutely nothing!

      The article pertaining to Renee Gielen’s documentary discrediting Beth is meant as a distraction to further the ongoing Aruban agenda of distancing Paulus and Joran … of distancing the sons of the elite … of distancing those at all levels of the Dutch/Aruban investigation who were aware or involved in the coverup … from implication.

      Think about it. Karin Janssen and Hans Mo’s suspicions warranted the arrest/detention of NINE suspects in the Natalee Holloway case and … the rearrest/the re-rearrest of three of those suspects.

      Damage control by Aruba is where it is at. However … it is not working. Monkeys are asking … “What foundation of information (suspicions) dictated all of the detentions in the Natalee Holloway case?”


      Arlene Ellis-Schipper
      July 20, 2005

      ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPER, ARUBAN ATTORNEY: There is no grand jury in Aruba. It`s a different system. You are arrested based on suspicion, on STRONG SUSPICION.

      Noraina Pietersz – Defence Attorney
      Associated Press
      June 9, 2005

      Under Aruban law, only SERIOUS SUSPICION from investigators — not solid evidence — is needed for a judge to rule that suspects can be held, Pietersz said.

    30. Tamikosmom on May 27th, 2008 12:13 pm

      28. misskatie

      I highly doubt that tim miller will get to far with the search for that person missing.. because aruba is two faced.. lying and conniving…



      I agree. I fail to comprehend how those who are sincerely seeking justice for Natalee Holloway are deceived into believing that cooperation with the enemy is going to achieve that objective.


    31. Tamikosmom on May 27th, 2008 12:21 pm

      SM .. I responsed to the submission o “Miss Underestimated”. My response did not appear as being moderated. I attempted to resubmit … was not permitted.


      25 .. Miss-Underestimated on May 27th, 2008 11:20 am
      SM: Sometimes posts with mutilple links attached to it are determined to be spam by the spam filter. When that happens your good post goes incorrectly into the spam folder. I just removed it from the spam folder. (klaasend)

    32. Tamikosmom on May 27th, 2008 12:37 pm

      I get it.

      Thank you Klaas.


    33. MissKatie on May 27th, 2008 1:03 pm


      I know that Tim Millers intentions are purely honest and of good heart..

      on the other hand we have these incompetent blundering…idiots well known as the .aruban clowns …they would like for everyone to think that they are being cooperative and kind and that they have no intentions of stopping tim from searching…

      when the fact probably is that they have already covered their tracks.. if indeed this man disappeared….. as a result of foul play…

      you can bet there will be no sign of him….
      I hardly think that they will allow tim to get to snoopy about natalee… I am so sure he is being followed and watched… every move he makes….from inside the walls of his hotel room…who knows maybe his phone tapped… dont put nothing past them.. they are dirty.. dirty….

      they only allowed him to go there… to make themselves look good…

      which they can never do right!!!

      These fools are allowing the sloots to get away with murder…. they covered.for pauulus destroyed.evidence.. and bribed and threatened people… and … made some disappear forever…these officials that deserve no respect they have no integrity they have defiled the very oath of office that they swore to uphold……

      theres nothing nastier than a dirty judge prosecutor..this all applies to all in official capacity…that have natalles blood on their hands…..

      . how can they be proud? that they were dirty as the criminals on the street… only difference with these officials is that they have a badge and wear a suit.

      they serve the underworld of aruba the drug and human traffickers like sloot…
      all they have ever done was use their official capacity to commit crimes..and harbor those that commited hanious crimes….. they have the nerve to try to discredit beth.. they are dirty slobs.. that dont deserve to be in office…


    34. Miklo on May 27th, 2008 2:53 pm

      Will someone please tell Sherlock that print outs on time only the print the time as set.

      So if the date or time stamp on the equipment is set incorrectly… well, you do the math.

      If the Arubans were “johnny on the spot” efficient, Gielen’s argument might hold water for about 10 seconds. But they are hardly in any position to question Beth’s motives based on the accuracy of a time stamp.

    35. Miklo on May 27th, 2008 3:01 pm

      Next question:

      If the Holloways staged a secret conspiracy to “get famous” what on earth would be the point?

      If they had malevolent motivations, wouldn’t they have wanted to keep their crime QUIET?!!

      Instead they have made their search very, very public because they have lost their beloved child!

      Their behavior has not been like that of guilty people! They love their child and want her home – nothing more, nothing less!

      Aruba: Stop bringing accusation on this grieving family!!

    36. Susan on May 27th, 2008 3:37 pm

      None of those savage Arubans (or Hollanders or any nationality that was/is involved in the corruption and cover up of Natalee’s disappearance) deserve to see the light of day!!

      It’s hard to believe three long years have gone by and still NOTHING!!!! :-(

      Avoid that third world, poverty stricken, drug infested hell hole like the PLAGUE!!!



    37. kiltie65 on May 27th, 2008 3:41 pm

      Aruba is always saying get over it, move on, it’s been 3 years. But because they are fully aware their legal system is guilty as hell in this massive cover up, and because financially they are finished as far as any meaningful American tourism goes, they keep trying to throw a coat of whitewash on things hoping to find the magic bullet to make it all go away. The magic bullet, Aruba, is TRUTH. Casting aspersions on Natalee’s family, equally victims, is so callous and base and just intensifies the deep distaste most Americans now hold towards Aruba. We all want justice for Natalee and her family…but in Aruba’s case, and after 3 long years, even justice achieved now, will seem to be too little, too late. Boycott Aruba.

    38. Maggie on May 27th, 2008 3:41 pm

      Just another liar and dumba#s.. Would be next to impossible for Beth to arrive in Aruba earlier than 17:15 or 5:15. In Beth’s book, she was in Memphis the 30th until late morning.. when they arrive back in Birmingham.. 4 hours away.. she says its been 15 or 16 hours since Natalee was last seen at 1:30 am… That would make it around 5:30 pm in Alabama,, then they had to wait 1 hour to go on the plane.. making it 6:30ish.. (In Aruba that would be 7:30ish, being 1 hour ahead of Alabama time wise).. Then a 4 hour flight.. making it 10:30ish arrival in Aruba(Alabama time) or Aruban time of 11:30ish or 22:30.. I thought I heard Beth say once they left at 7pm on the plane… No way would she be able to arrive in Aruba at 5:15, which would be 4:15 Alabama time. They had not even left Alabama at that time. Just another liar to add to the list..

      Quote.. Despite many telephone calls and e-mails, Gielen didn’t manage to reach Beth. Beth doesn’t have to answer any phone calls or emails to this person… She’s came to talk to the police and prosecutor every time she was asked, went to Holland a few times to talk to them. That’s more than I can say for that sorry bunch always taking the fifth or putting out more lies. Why not turn this over to the FBI in the USA? Afraid they will show you for what you are?

      Yesterday the ID channel on cable was showing a lot of old CBS’s 48 hours shows.. The one about Natalee was on it.. I couldn’t watch all of it.. again.. When Dompig come out saying we have a statement Natalee had drugs and then went in to the story about another group of boys involved also, buried Natalee twice , had the reporter at the lighthouse where this credible guy told them she was buried. That story he put on the news for 2 or 3 months before ever bringing anyone in and searching the place.. What a joke he is.. Then it showed the Sloots and Anita (ugh) saying all those speculations and rumours about Paulus,, we have always went for the truth.. It’s sad there are people actually stupid enough to fall for their BullS##t.

      Who in their right mind would go to a place like this to visit.. It’s like the Twilight Zone.

      Here’s a tip Renee, how about questioning the last 3 seen with Natalee and their familes and the kazillion lies they have told and all the contradictions they have about that night.

      Was also reading in Beth’s book about the coach who had been talking to beach patrol and was led to believe they were the actual police and weren’t and the beach patrol had never contacted the police, before Beth arrived. Also when Beth arrived at the hotel the woman told her Joran gambled there, prayed on blond American tourists and then Beth tells how some of Natalee’s friends had been told by Joran he was a tourist staying at the same hotel. The lady at the hotel told her he wasn’t a tourist, he lived in Aruba.

    39. Mary,UK on May 27th, 2008 4:19 pm

      OFF TOPIC!!!! But still relevant!!I have just visited Gretawire and clicked on Natalee Holloway, it seems that posts are no longer accepted??? I visit daily and have not noticed before, in fact, its been WEEKS since any new posts were shown, In fact ,since Greta said they had been threatened with legal action we have heard nothing, STRANGE!!!! thought it would take more than this to get Greta off this case!!! I am NOT really computer savvy so maybe reading too much into this??

    40. MissKatie on May 27th, 2008 4:34 pm


      dompig leader of the pigs…than there was the cops … lawyers… prosecutors.. and judges… WHO LIED AND CHANGED TIME PATTERNS…. to throw beth off…

      2ND LIARS….

      pauulus … anita… and joran….

      Lied to beth to her face…. joran insulting beth and mocking her.. lack of respect for adults…..

      Pauulus the master of deciet… orchestrated it all from his compound…


      the two dark ugly boys with bug eyes .. whats there name… cowpoop oh sorry u mean kalpoe.’s where are my manners (WINK WINK)….

      nothing that has ever coming out of anybodys mouth involved has been one grain of truth….

      everyone has gone on with their lives…
      the cowppoops.. (did I say that)
      have continued to run the internet cafe and continue the lifestyle as it was before.. only more discretely…

      Pauulus has managed to finance his son on the run to and from like a man without a country….

      knowing his son is drinking and drugging….

      anita continues her finger paints thinking she will be known as miss picasso….living in denial that sporter could of done all that.. who else but sporter .. with lack of respect for his mother telling the intimate details of natalee and what he did..

      I certainly hope that the island sinks financialy and goes into a depression …. that tourists will be more alert if they are victimized … tell it to the that the world will see what we are trying to tell them…

      aruba is evil; pure evil..


      they respect not the hand that feeds them…

    41. MissKatie on May 27th, 2008 4:37 pm



      YOU GO BETH…




    42. Allan on May 27th, 2008 5:55 pm

      Aruba is without morality.

    43. Sandy Leiva on May 27th, 2008 5:56 pm

      Nothing aruba can say will wvwr make us believe that Beth Holloway knew she would be going to Aruba before Natalee was murdered there by Joran Vander Sloot, Paulus Vander Sloot, Depack and Satish Kalpoes and others as yet unnamed. That the Vander Sloots by thier own admission know what happened but dont feel inclined to tell the truth proves thier guilt in this matter. They have systematically used thier allies in government to confuse the truth and distance themselves from the murder perpetrated against Natalee Holloway. Heck, JVDS admits to dumping her body in the ocean without knowing if she was alive. Not a murderer- who is going to fall for thier bullshit. This renee gillien is no reporter but a croonie of the Sloots paid to confuse more issues and victimize the mother of the victem Natalee Holloway

    44. kayjay on May 27th, 2008 6:23 pm

      These people like Gielen will do anything but tell the truth to make a few bucks..they are not worth my ink, but it does help keep the case in the public eye…speaking of which where is the perp bastard these days?..still getting stoned out of his evil mind in Thailand I suppose.

    45. Maggie on May 27th, 2008 6:39 pm

      MissKatie I agree except about Anita.. being in denial.. IMO, she is a cold and calculating person. Paulus runs down allies hiding and sweating and mumbles lies. She is a loud in your face almost, the kind who doth protest too much. I only wish when she said we always went for the truth of 48 hours, they would’ve played her Greta interview where she said Joran don’t drink, smoke or do drugs.. he’s just a sporter.

    46. misskatie on May 27th, 2008 8:30 pm

      maybe anita has been around pauulus and his lying for so long she thinks like him.. maybe he is all she can get and she knows it…
      she isnt exactly a picture of beauty and its possible that he has cheated on her many times and that she is doing everything she can to preserve what she has
      which in my opinion not much…

      money ruins some people.. they will sell their soul to the devil to make it!!!

      where better does he have the opportunity but in the capacity of an attorney… a dirty one at that!!!

      he has the officials of aruba in his pocket…

      as far as joran goes he is a total looser he has no education… he couldnt even hang with that…
      he has no money.. its all his daddies…

      and he doesnt have a car like most boys that age… the fault lays in te parents..

      he is a product of his inviroment meaning his upbringing… he knows his dads a dirty crook.. what chance do those other two boys have… makes me wonder.. if they will follow in daddy and big brothers footsteps…..


    47. Tamikosmom on May 27th, 2008 8:42 pm

      45. Maggie on May 27th, 2008 6:39 pm


      Beth Holloway
      Page 148/149

      Anita tells us all about Joran and what a good boy he is. How smart he is. I let her go on and on, as this gives me time to listen, look, assess. And as she continues, she begins to share with us what a difficult time they have had with him recently. How he exibits oppositional defiance and is disrespectful to his mother. How they are beginning to lose control of him as he sneaks out at night and comes and goes as he pleases. After about thirty minutes she concludes by tell us Joran is seeing a psychologist for his definant behavior.

      Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak
      Thursday, June 23, 2005

      ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: … He couldn’t — the only thing he could read was the Bible he got from a very nice police guy. He got a Bible to read.

      And he was telling me, Mommy, look at me, I’m reading the Bible. Did you ever think about that? And I think it’s great. It’s difficult to read. So yesterday, I thought at least, you know, he can have some books. He can write things because I think that’s very important for a 17-year-old boy to write down certain experiences, just to read it over again later and see if it helps him to come through a difficult time. But he cannot have access to anything.

      VAN SUSTEREN: What’s he like? I realize you’re his mother, but what’s he like?

      ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: Joran is a very outgoing person. He’s a sweetheart. To me, he’s very warm. We spend Easter vacation in Florida together to visit his school, and we had a lot of fun together, went to Busch Gardens (search), and he was getting me cups of coffee and making jokes. He’s very outgoing, loving, caring, fights with his brothers all the time, but I think that’s pretty normal. We cannot get him out of bed in the morning to go to school, but once he’s there, he’s doing great. He got picked up on the morning of his graduation. He graduated with honor, all As and Bs. He did some AP, advanced courses, physics, calculus, AP English

      VAN SUSTEREN: Any drug use or alcohol use by him?

      ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: A hundred percent no. No. He is, like, Mom, I would not smoke or I would not use drugs because I am a sporter. I want to make something out of my future. If there would have been anything of that, I would have noticed. I’m a teacher. I work with kids between 12 and 18 years, the last 25 years. So you’re used to so many things, problems that appear with your students. You’re so alert. And I think you’re even more alert with your own children.,2933,160471,00.html

    48. A New Girl on May 27th, 2008 9:00 pm

      This “news”…if that’s what you want to call these bogus allegations is complete bullsh*t!

      *********JUSTICE FOR NATALEE *************

    49. richard on May 27th, 2008 9:23 pm

      We all know what the Aruban government is.

      My question, one that I raise time after time:

      WHY is it that OUR OWN GOVERNMENT, which is supposed to take an interest in the well-being of Americans abroad, won’t lift a finger for Natalee?

      OR for Amy Bradley….

    50. Tamikosmom on May 27th, 2008 10:26 pm

      49. richard on May 27th, 2008 9:23 pm

      WHY is it that OUR OWN GOVERNMENT, which is supposed to take an interest in the well-being of Americans abroad, won’t lift a finger for Natalee?


      My youngest son’s Dutch American FIL believes that Aruba’s close ties with Hugo Chavez is at the root of both the Netherland and the United States’ tolerance in regards to the corrupt Aruban administration.

      Hugo Chávez is so dangerious to the security of world. He has a goal … which IS NOT hidden and will ultimately threaten the security of United States of America. He had a plan is to acquire one small nation at a time … building up strength first throughout the Caribbean. Think about it … Aruba is the stepping stone to America … Cuba is a stone throw from the mainland.

      The United States administration knows this yet … it continues to appease … tolerate this dictator. This approach only makes what was once the most feared/respected nation on the face of the earth appear weak and … gives this dictator who is drunk with power and … oil … more confidence to further his global agenda.

      It is a truly sad day when this dictator is allowed to speak before the UN referring to the President of the United States as the “devil” and … haa no fear of retaliation.

      If the United States goes down … so does every appeasing/tolerant democratic nation in the world … Canada included.

      The free world has to wake up … Islam and left-wing dictators are gaining strength through our weakness.

      “The reality is that we must find peace through strength.”
      Ronald Reagan, 1983

      Chavez: Bush ‘devil’; U.S. ‘on the way down’
      POSTED: 1726 GMT (0126 HKT), September 21, 2006

    51. Para2legal on May 27th, 2008 10:29 pm

      All I’m going to say is my wrists would be bandaged from bitch slapping the s.o.b.’s that kidnapped, raped and assaulted Natalee. I’d have pins in the other parts of my arms after hitting the slime buckets that COVERED IT UP..

    52. Ray on May 27th, 2008 10:38 pm

      I believe the people investigating the Holloway case are full grown IDIOTS. If I find one of my friends has vacationed in ARUBA he will be a friend no longer.


    53. Patti on May 27th, 2008 11:23 pm

      I agree!

      What’s totally bazaar is that the Prime Minister of Aruba, Nelson Oduber, played a major part in the cover-up of Natalee’s capture, abduction, enslavement, torture and murder; and has never had to answer for it!

      This writer fails to mention that Natalee was caught on video tape in the company of Paulus Van der Sloot just hours before her disappearance. Paulus Van der Sloot, who used his influence in government to sell work permits to the mob…to further the progress of a crime that results in a state of modern-day, human slavery…not justice. Nor do they mention that Aruba is in a very prominent position in the world of International Human Trafficking.

      Leave it to Aruba to point their finger to the parents of the young women and children that fall victim to these savage beasts. Only Aruba would point their finger at Beth Holloway in an attempt to lure in unsuspecting visitors and those that would, willingly, participate in their exploitations.

      Don’t support the corrupt operations of the government of Aruba, but rather, show your support for this family and for the hundreds of thousands of victims to these types of crimes by supporting the boycott!


      Justice for Natalee
      and ALL the Others!

    54. Patti on May 27th, 2008 11:34 pm

      They COULD have sent her home with her family…

      They painted the Rocks, instead!


      Light the Fires

      and Let them Burn Bright

      in the Heart of Every

      Man, Woman and Child


      We are not going to live in the darkness…

      There WILL be JUSTICE in ARUBA!



    55. richard on May 28th, 2008 8:27 am

      TamikosMom (#50) … You may have something there. What you say, and Aruba’s “cooperation” in our anti-drug campaign in the Caribbean.

      (My own idea is that by “cooperating,” Aruba knows where and when to send its own shipments, all the while helping to turn in the “other” guys, but never mind that for now.)

      I’m sure that Aruba promotes itself as a “friendly intelligence center” for listening posts and other things … possibly even a base for small-scale covert actions … against Venezuela.

      Just think of what they get in return. And they get the moola coming in from the mob, too.

      All that I can say is, the safety of an American abroad is where we should draw the line. And when there is such blatant evidence of a cover-up protecting certain individuals in a crime against an American, we should be seeing red.

      Instead, we try to keep Aruba “on our side.”

      Maybe Aruba has dirt on us from prior stuff that’s gone on in the Caribbean. Can’t say … but I don’t really care about that. Time for our government to stand up and draw the line.

    56. misskatie on May 28th, 2008 8:29 am

      good to see you back…

      they decided to take her life with out regard to the family of this beautiful girl… their only interest was to satisfy their lusty flesh… with no concious what so ever
      pauulus shows no feeling he is a cold cold man.. that has raised one monster is there more to come with the other two sons….

      I cant imagine having parents like those two.. a total screw up… they did him more harm than good…

      they created this monster …
      how sad… it’s over for natalee but for them it’s just begining…she is resting in peace..

      for those involved there will never be any peace… should they die … they will never rest in peace… with their evil spirits…

      there are many many that are involved more than we actualy know….

      but god knows who they are…. you can run but you cannot hide…..

      they sacrificed this young girl…
      she had her whole life ahead of her and they took it….unlike joran he is a no good bum.. with nothing ahead but turmoil…. looking over his shoulder… no wonder he has to drink and drug to hide…

    57. Tamikosmom on May 28th, 2008 10:00 am

      55. richard on May 28th, 2008 8:27 am

      TamikosMom (#50) … You may have something there. What you say, and Aruba’s “cooperation” in our anti-drug campaign in the Caribbean.

      Richard … Rob has been doing research on the issue pertaining to the silence and lack of action of the US Administration in regards to the corrupt Aruban investigation which continues to deny an American citizen the justice she is entitled to under Dutch and American Law but … his research has taken him in another direction. Maybe Rob will share.


    58. Truth on May 28th, 2008 10:23 am

      I hope Jossy is gonna shoot this story down in his newspaper. Has Jossy ever broke this Holloway case down in his paper bit by bit for the aruban people to see?

    59. Tamikosmom on May 28th, 2008 11:00 am

      58. Truth on May 28th, 2008 10:23 am

      I hope Jossy is gonna shoot this story down in his newspaper. Has Jossy ever broke this Holloway case down in his paper bit by bit for the aruban people to see?


      Truth … Jossy has always been an advocate for Natalee Holloway in his words as a guest on American and Canadian Televsion and Radio talk shows. However … when it comes his publication … he is walk a fine line. His Diario publication is at risk if he crosses that line.


      Amigoe, April 4, 2007: Diario turns to Queen

      ORANJESTAD – In an open letter, staff and management of the morning paper Diario have asked the Queen’s attention for the commercial boycott called by the MEP and her leader, Prime Minister Nelson Oduber.

      MEP demanded the owner and also director and chief editor Jossy Mansur to publicly apologize to MEP and premier Oduber for all the articles he has published with the intention to damage the reputation of the government and MEP. Mansur has till last Monday to do this, otherwise, the MEP will announce a boycott against Diario.

      Since Mansur ignored MEP’s ultimatum, the party decided on a total boycott of the newspaper. No information must be given to Diario. MEP-member had to cancel their subscription as per immediate.. They are also not allowed to buy the paper separately. They cannot place ads in the Diario.

      That’s the reason for Diario’s letter to the Queen. He expressed his concern in this letter and asks the Queen to ’safeguard our constitutional rights’.

    60. Sharon Chicago on May 28th, 2008 11:38 am

      We all know that Anita is now doing finger painting and making a buck…but what about
      the sporter…where is he and what is he doing?

      Also what are the Kalpoe’s doing on the island?

    61. Patti on May 28th, 2008 11:52 am


      I agree. They will have no peace. How could they? If they would kill Natalee, they would think nothing of killing one of their own Arubans; or, even more likely, Columbians and Venezuelans. Remember, Venezuela is also an Arawak Nation. A BIG one… and if you noticed in the post that I made about their origins, it says that they adopted Islam into their culture. No wonder they treat their women and children like DIRT!

      I agree and am aware that there is cooperation with the U.S. Military in having, both, a base to use radar to spot planes flying over Venezuela’s air space; as well as a harbor for the Navy to stop during their sweeps. So, yes, we are sleeping with the enemy; just as we did in the case of Saddam, The Shah, etc. But, in the case of Aruba, it is different. On one hand we have the United Nations which the State Department is supporting in its’ attempt to save the people that are being trafficked from country to country. In this regard, the United Nations is acting in the interest of the People, ALL the People. Perhaps it is, to them, that we should make our pleas because there are, literally, more than 100,000 people going missing in the world… most of them young women and children.

      Ofcourse, we have Queen Bea sitting on her Royal Throne, like a mirage of what a woman SHOULD be… powdering her nose to attend the social affairs of her great country. Like the Harlot, Babylon the Great, drunk in the blood of the lambs. Consumed with the right for one to practice their sexual “choice” while allowing a child’s right to ‘choose’ as something minimal, silly, at best. Babylon, the origin of false religion, Pagans… worrying about the rights of Children?



      You feel me?

      That ‘one girl’ was OUR girl…

      And I, truly, believe that she will,

      indeed, save millions!


      Jugs Twitty thought so and I agree.


      Let it Be!


      Justice for Natalee
      and ALL the Others!

    62. Patti on May 28th, 2008 12:17 pm


      I, rarely, talk about my own personal beliefs about the dead. But, I believe that for most people, when you’re dead, you’re dead; except for the ones that have earned the right to sit with God, as part of his heavenly Organization, of which humans USED to be.

      I believe that we are surrounded by another dimension, that we cannot see, made up of angels and demons. I do not believe the dead roam about…

      As far as whether Joran and those responsible for the thousands of children that are sacrificed to the Pagan gods of Babylon? They will forever be dead… with no chance of a resurrection, to be judged by those that were chosen to sit with God for a thousand years; until such time as Jesus hands the Kingdom over to his father… Once again, renewing the balance… the personal relationship with God that man lost in the garden of Eden. We will live forever, under his loving care, while wickedness, itself, will be thrown into the lake of fire.

      And, Jehovah will wipe every tear from their eyes and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry, nor pain be anymore… the former things have past away. Rev. 21:3&4

      The second death, or the loss of a right to a resurrection is torture in itself… to have your soul cry out for life while being overcome with regret, knowing that you will never, ever live again.

    63. Patti on May 28th, 2008 12:21 pm

      The Bible says, they will gnash their teeth…


      Boycott Aruba!

    64. Tamikosmom on May 28th, 2008 12:36 pm

      Galatians 6:7
      Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

    65. Carpe on May 28th, 2008 1:05 pm


      I was wondering why you think so many of Arawak lineage are complicit in Natalee’s death &

      If someone was to compile a kill list of people that have purposefully doomed her case,
      98% of those people are Dutch.

      Paulus Van der sloot, Jan Van der straaten, Caren Jaansen, Hans Mos, Patrick Van der eem, the Dutch judges, and the assembled judge panel that blocked Joran’s re-arrest on a full blown confession that he threw her away in the sea,
      not knowing if she was alive or dead…

      They are all filthy corrupted Aruban-Dutch.

    66. kaye on May 28th, 2008 1:51 pm

      so, renee gielen joins the rest of the lying, low-life, bottom feeding,piece-of-chit scumbags involved in this case. will the list ever end? may they all burn in hell for their part in the lies and the coverup, and for the false accusations and deceit!! this just reinforces the fact that all americans and any educated tourist from anywhere in the world should stay as far away from that hell hole as just gripes my arse everytime I read something like this article. Can they REALLY be that stuck on stupid?

    67. kiltie65 on May 28th, 2008 3:46 pm

      #39 Mary UK – Just today on Gretawire someone asked what is new on the Holloway case…there was no response. You see occasional references to the case, mostly requests for updates, but Gretawire bloggers show complete disregard in general. Hope Beth’s civil case in the Netherlands stirs up world wide interest and blows the case wide open.

    68. Patti on May 28th, 2008 3:52 pm


      I agree. The Dutch officials have as much to hide as the Arawak. The common thread that they both have is human trafficking. Surely, Natalee wasn’t the first nor will she be the last blonde haired beauty to be killed by the Arawak Nation. Just as sure as there are people being trafficked to The Netherlands, there are people being trafficked out. In fact, I believe that may have been the reason Anita was on vacation in The Netherlands. How many girls are in The Netherlands, trafficked from the Soviet Block that are willing to go to Aruba to work as a maid. One could fly a prostitute from Venezuela who has an Aruban work permit to the Netherlands, drop her off and return with a Russian girl on the return ticket to be sold to the Arawak Nation as a virgin sacrifice.

      Like Joran says, it’s all so easy… and it was not him; but his mother and father that were doing these things. I’ll bet my last dollar that if you asked the neighbors if the Van der Sloots had domestic help and strange going ons… they’d say yes. I, honestly, think it was intentional to sell Natalee to the Arawak Nation, because no one on Aruba speaks of these things, much less, put someone in jail for practicing what they consider to be their religion, their culture, their birthright.

      Oduber calls it embarrassing,

      when in reality,

      it’s shameful!

      Who would want to admit they do such things?

      No one…

      But the Chicago Videos tell it all!

    69. Patti on May 28th, 2008 4:08 pm

      It is my opinion that when that fisherman’s trap was reported stolen…

      The WHOLE Arawak Nation knew where Natalee was and what was going to happen to her… no doubt in my mind. And now, EVERYONE in Aruba feels guilty. Anti-Americanism is at an all time high. Like I said, they know that we know and they see us as a threat to their future. Shango says the walls will fall on their tee-pees. Is the practice of human sacrifice and cannibalism enough to bring a nation down?

      I hope so…


      Stay OUT of Aruba
      for she is sure to fall!


    70. molly in houston on May 28th, 2008 7:18 pm

      I haven’t been on here for a while because our youngest kid is GRADUATING!!

      20: LilPuma on May 27th, 2008 10:48 am
      1. How did Renee get Natalee’s cell phone records?
      2. Did Natalee have her phone with her in Aruba?
      3. Did Natalee have International calling on that phone? (Beth and Nat’s friends said no.)
      4. 5:15 pm. The MB group knew Natalee was missing early in the morning.
      5. If you want to verify this, check with the FAA or airport that Beth’s flight took off from in Alabama. Unlike Aruba, they would have no reason to lie and probably keep better records than Aruba.

      Has Renee published these cell phone records for all to see? Has Renee contacted the FBI with this piece of evidence?

      I have the SAME questions. I thought that evidence was confidential in Aruba. I don’t see why or how someone else didn’t get Beth’s phone records for review. And so, if Beth called Natalee, did Natalee ANSWER? What is the point here, really.

      How about we get a record of Paulus’ bank deposits and withdrawals on the same dates?? huh?

      Gillen, more like Gilda the Hun, is stupid and assumes that everyone else is stupid. Her report appeals to the same type of person who reads the National Enquirer and thinks that all the articles are true!! Idiots!

      If you have any sense, or if you have any IQ,,

      molly in houston

    71. molly in houston on May 28th, 2008 7:23 pm

      55: Richard, I agree. I seriously think that there is a lot more going on in the Carribbean that we are allowed to know about. I think there are some big reasons that the US doesn’t want to and isn’t causing a stir there because of Natalee. There is so much drug traffic and human traffic going on that Natalee’s case would just upset our government’s apple cart. Not fair and not right; but that’s the way that I think it is. :(

      boycott aruba
      molly in houston

    72. crossbow on May 28th, 2008 7:35 pm

      Don’t know if this has been posted anywhere. I got this from a member of “Group for Natalee”.
      Change the names to the current suspects and to Natalee and the similarities are remarkable.
      But you have to read it in its entirety to gain the full impact….

    73. yoyo muffintop on May 28th, 2008 8:22 pm

      So Patti, let me get this straight: The “Dutch” sold Natalee to some “Indians” for human sacrifice and they ate her or ate part of her.

      Ok………that makes sense.

      Doc, up the meds please.

    74. buckeye on May 28th, 2008 8:33 pm

      Please listen to Ofir’s new song. A call out to Aruba. Natalee Remix:

    75. Amsterdam 020 on May 29th, 2008 3:20 am

      Where are you constantly talking about girl? The Arawak Nation?

      The last thoroughbred Arawak indian in Aruba died in the 19th century. Nowadays, 3/4 of the Aruban people have some Arawak blood (as well as Dutch and Spanish).

      And you are saying that the Aruban people practice human sacrifice and cannibalism?? You’ve got to be kidding me…..where do you get all this ideas?

    76. SUPER DAVE on May 29th, 2008 6:04 am

      just proof that the boycott is kicking their butts and too ignorant to place blame where it belongs, like any criminal will try to place the blame on the victim.

    77. richard on May 29th, 2008 6:39 am

      Molly in Houston (#71) … I also suspect that Nelson Oduber, and some other people in the Aruban government, have some inside info on some “dirty tricks” that we have played in the Caribbean, too.

      I’m no insider, but I imagine that we try to use one drug trafficker and play him against another one … and that the cartel does the same thing.

      We work with the same people we try to suppress, I suppose. Dirty deeds require dirty hands.

      This might be another factor to consider … Oduber probably knows of a lot of stuff that Washington wouldn’t care to have made known to the world. And he and others probably get personal subsidies from our government.

      This is all speculation, of course, but some people in Washington probably want to protect their “connections.” And God only knows who has ties with the drug cartels down there.

    78. richard on May 29th, 2008 9:43 am

      I’ve often thought that Joran and others could have kept Natalee sedated, perhaps for some time, by use of drugs. Read about this man’s death from an overdose of cocaine … one of the symptoms was foaming at the mouth. None of us thinks that Natalee would use illegal drugs willingly, but if they wanted to “get rid” of her, this could be one way… And while this man seems to have used it before, the impact on Natalee would presumably be greater.

      Man died after drinking cocaine

      A caravan park owner collapsed and died after drinking several glasses of cocaine mixed with water over a six-hour period, an inquest has heard.
      Rodney Gray’s widow Kathryn told Belfast Coroner’s Court he had started putting the class A drug into his drink after complaining of a blocked nose.
      “He used to snort it. It was only recently he swallowed it,” she said.
      Coroner John Leckey found that the cause of death of the Millisle father of three had been poisoning by cocaine.
      Mrs Gray said her 33-year-old husband had been using the drug for four or five months.
      On the night of his death in August 2006, however, his arms and legs started to shake and his eyes glazed over.
      He lay on the couple’s bed in a bid to overcome the reaction, and at one stage embraced Mrs Gray, she said.
      But when he started foaming at the mouth and his skin changed colour an ambulance was called.
      Mrs Gray said she made unsuccessful attempts to resuscitate her husband.
      She said her husband had also been trying to relax from the stress and pressure of running his site when he took the fatal mixture.
      Mr Leckey said there was no evidence that Mr Gray had suffered an adverse reaction to cocaine use before.
      “Although it’s known to be taken for recreational purposes, it’s a high risk activity and death would not be unexpected, even though the person might have taken cocaine without any problems on previous occasions,” he said.

    79. Herman on May 29th, 2008 11:54 am


      You can reach Katja and me always!
      Angel Wynton has my phone-number!
      Let the dead talk to the dead…
      Come home friend!

    80. richard on May 29th, 2008 12:21 pm

      Some people elsewhere (not on this forum, that is) seem to have misinterpreted my point in posting that article about the water and cocaine.

      No way do I think that Natalee would ever have voluntarily tried any of that garbage. But if Joran and/or others, whoever they may have been, decided that she had to be gotten rid of, a forcible overdose of cocaine would apparently have done the job, and in the “least nasty” way.

      That doesn’t prove it happened, of course, but the “foaming at the mouth” detail is consistent with the way this man died. It’s one of several possibilities … and, of course, the whole tale may have been bogus, as I think much of what Joran told to Patrick was.

    81. Carpe on May 29th, 2008 12:39 pm

      Yo Herman…

      The phone she’s on can only make international
      calls with a credit card. We’ve got the
      Coast Guard lookin’ in to it.

      Peace, my friend.

    82. misskatie on May 29th, 2008 1:05 pm


    83. Sharon Chicago on May 29th, 2008 1:49 pm

      Hi Pattie…
      I, honestly, think it was intentional to sell Natalee to the Arawak Nation, because no one on Aruba speaks of these things, much less, put someone in jail for practicing

      Pattie… I don’t agree with your above statement because I think Joran’s intent was not to murder Natalee but he allowed himself to get out of hand and he did. If your theory was true, Joran would not be allowing himself to become a suspect by being the last person to be seen with Natalee.

    84. Nut44x4 on May 29th, 2008 3:21 pm

      Wow….. I sure wish I hadn’t quit drinking…..I sure could use one.

    85. Patti on May 29th, 2008 5:42 pm


      Oh yeah, I forgot!

      All that talk about the history of the Arawak Nation practicing human sacrifices and cannibalism was written by all those historians just so some NUT could come along and blame Natalee’s death on them. Take a look at the body in the bush and describe, for me, what YOU see.


      Hi Sharon!

      There is no doubt in my mind that if that is Natalee lying across that bush, as the painter is painting the rocks, her death was no accident. How do you ACCIDENTLY tie someone to a rock and cut their heart out?

      Besides, Aruba didn’t I.D. Joran as being the last person seen with Natalee; the Holloways did. Most the witnesses, like the ones that saw three men placing a girls body into the back of a white pickup at the beach near the Marriott, were found because of the efforts of the family, not the police. Before the Holloway’s, Joran and his father, Paulus, were untouchable. Where you been? Don’t you remember who was hanging out at the Van der Sloots? Van der Straaten!

      Unfortunately, there REALLY are people who traffick these women and children and, perhaps, the Van der Sloots are just the ticket… Don’t tell me you never thought of that. If I could put a face on it, I’d think of the look on Paulus’ face when he met Natalee in the Casino.



      There are few full-blood Indians in this country, as well, but that doesn’t mean that they have stopped practicing their customs.


      Justice for Natalee!
      AND… ALLLL the Others!


    86. Carpe on May 29th, 2008 6:13 pm

      They should have eaten Anita, that gut load!

      That would have been quite an easy dish for the
      hardworking, career minded Arawak woman. Plenty
      to feed the whole family.

      Also, you could spread it out over a few days to a week, with the right Tupperware.

      Eat & reheat, eat & reheat. Maybe even whip
      up the last little bit into Liars Croquets?


    87. always 1 on May 29th, 2008 6:14 pm

      Good picture of tower that Crossbow was talking about see You Tube fwann40

    88. Carpe on May 29th, 2008 6:16 pm


    89. Patti on May 29th, 2008 6:51 pm


      You’re in Aruba, right? Why didn’t you tell us about the 12-year old girl who was missing for nearly a week?!?!?

      Why wouldn’t it occur to you that we might be interested and concerned? Perhaps, you live in a bubble, complacent to the corruption that exists all around you? Remember, you can’t see the light until you open your eyes!


      Then, Boycott, Aruba!

      Believe it or not, you are that (itsy-bitsy bit) close to becoming subjects of the biggest tyrant in the world, Hugo Chavez… who is also proud to be an ARAWAK!


      Americans, Stay OUT of Aruba!


    90. Patti on May 29th, 2008 6:58 pm

      Oh, and for your last question:

      Try the LIBRARY!


    91. crossbow on May 29th, 2008 7:40 pm

      May 30th, 2008…..
      Three years and counting.
      Lets hope we can bring Natalee home before.
      May 30th., 2009

    92. Maggie on May 29th, 2008 7:52 pm

      Carpe…. Just wanted to say ty for all the pictures and videos you do.. You are awesome. It’s real easy to see how much you care about Natalee and justice for her..

      3 years ago and I still think about the horror a 110 pound girl in a car with these 3 alone must have felt.. and the never ending nightmare her family and friends have faced, not only dealing with their loss, but then to have to deal with all these liars and lowlifes.. who threw Natalee away like yesterday’s newspaper and tortured a grieving family. They love attacking voiceless victims. IMO their whole plan has been to delay, lie, stall, lie, and lie some more, drag it out and everyone will forget and go away and we will have gotten away with it.

      People don’t give up keep posting and irritating them. I appreciate everyone who comes here for justice for Natalee.. those who only read, come on and post also. Natalee worked hard for everything she achieved in her short life. Maybe someday we will find out why Aruba chose not to hold Paulus accountable for taking his underage son out to a casino gambling and left him, why the casino owner was never held accountable for allowing underage kids to gamble or why Carlos n Charlies was never held accountable for letting underage kids in with VIP passes. Is that Paulus sitting by Natalee? sure looks like it..

      We love you Natalee and our hearts and thoughts go out to all of your family and friends.

    93. crossbow on May 29th, 2008 7:54 pm

      What has happened to Joe Tacopina;
      Rumors have it he has shapooed and dyed his hair and is doing Carrot Top impersonations in Vegas.
      Anyone have any news?

    94. richard on May 29th, 2008 8:45 pm

      Maggie (#92) … Let me supplement your post.

      All those people who care, really care, about Natalee AND her family AND her other loved ones AND other Americans who may vanish on Aruba …

      Please remember that Aruba Tourism Authority is holding a travel show in Washington DC in June.

      Can you take part?

      If not, can you help support those who will?

      If not, can you at least write letters and keep Natalee’s picture and memory before the public?

      No justice for Natalee…no tourism for Aruba.

      Please write to today.

      Stand up for Natalee, or support those who do!

    95. yoyo muffintop on May 29th, 2008 10:35 pm

      #85 Patti – I see bushes….I see rocks.
      And if I was to believe you, I see dogs who’s scent glands have been removed. Hey, maybe they’re special “Arawak” dogs. Throw that in the script.

      Patti – its puff/pass/puff, not puff/puff/pass. Didn’t you learn anything in college?

    96. Amsterdam 020 on May 30th, 2008 8:23 am

      @ Patti (89)

      Uhuh..I’m in Aruba…sure. That’s why my nick name is Amsterdam 020. You know, the capital of the Netherlands?

    97. Patti on May 30th, 2008 1:57 pm



      They don’t have libraries in Amsterdam?

      You and Yo Yo…

      What a pair!



      You see DOGS with scent glands removed?!?!


      You must have me mistaken with someone else.


      Justice for Natalee…

      And ALL the Others!


    98. Patti on May 31st, 2008 8:11 pm

      The New Moon, this year is June 6 at 10:55 pm, I believe. There will be another celebration. I pray that someone will film it and send it to us. Then comes St. Johns Day where the skies of Aruba will be filled with smoke, as they make burnt offerings to their gods for atonement of sin.

      There has to be, atleast, one brave soul who’s stomach turns at seeing a human being slain. There has to be, atleast, one person who’s conscience is telling him what they’re doing is bad. That’s the hero I want to meet. The one that will slay the dragon, thus, put an end to their suffering. God bless Aruba and give it love and compassion as that is the only way to bring closure for this family, this nation and the island of Aruba. Give them the strength to act upon their own human instincts to love and care for one another.


    99. Shelly on June 3rd, 2008 7:56 pm

      This is for everyone who thinks that ARUBA is the blame of what happened to Natalee Holloway.
      How can you blame to island of Aruba for something that happened to a person. Can ANY of you tell me that someone doesn’t go missing, raped or killed ANY where on this BLUE planet that we ALL live in?????
      You should ALL grow up and try to help find anyone who is missing in your city, county or state.
      Have their been mistakes in this case… YES
      There has been a lot of misunderstandings and mistakes in this case but that is only due to not having something like this ever happening there.
      I can only wish that we could all have a turn to ask any questions regarding this case.
      My question would be to whomever gave the other students the opportunity to LEAVE the island before they got interogated about anything they could possibly know about what went on during the whole trip.
      My other question would be to the chaperones who were supposed to be CHAPERONING the students so that something like this would not be able to happen.
      On another note (not blaming anyone) if my daugther was missing I would probably be a total wreck, I wouldn’t be able to sleep or take care of my appearance. How can Beth even think of having a facelift or anything done to enhance her appearance?? My thoughts are how would Natalee recognize her own mom if she did come home after all of this, would she be able to??
      I also would like to know why Natalee never had to call her mom when she arrived on Aruba?
      Beth told Greta in one of her interviews on tv that she did not call her at all, that IF she would have called her she would have known that something was going on………. WHATTTTT!!
      Please people stop blaming a little island when in your country people are kidnapped or killed almost by the minute!!
      It is not the ISLAND’S fault or the natives, they tried to help by forming groups to search the whole island. And this is the thanks that they get for trying to help!!! Shame on you, as if you go looking for the ones that go missing in your own country!!
      What if the rest of the world boycotted the USA for not finding each and everyone person that goes missing.
      GROW UP!!

    100. not forgetting on June 4th, 2008 10:45 am

      It’s really simple.

      Remember Natalee.

      Boycott Aruba.

    101. kaye on June 6th, 2008 9:33 am

      shelly……in the words of nancy grace….wha, wha, wha……that island is controlled by a select few, not the innocent aruban people who had nothing to do with Natalee’s case, although i’m convinced those innocent arubans know what happened but are afraid to tell because of the select few who rule the island and control the people.and educate yourself on this case, maybe you’ll cry a different tune.


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