RED Reports Against Premier Nelson Oduber & Minister of Tourism and Transport Edison Briesen … Accountability, Forgery & Bribery?


Corruption in government in Aruba? Say it isn’t so. So says Rudy Lampe and Armand Hessels of RED. Supposedly Prime Minister Nelson Oduber and Minister of Tourism and transport, Edison Briesen, are being accused of violations of the accountability act, forgery and possible bribery. So the thought is brought to mind, how does a tourist who has a crime committed against them get a fair shot of justice then?

Party-leader Rudy Lampe of opposition party RED and his fellow party member Armand Hessels reported violation of the accountability act and forgery in the harbour project in Aruba against Premier Nelson Oduber (MEP) and his fellow party member Minister of Tourism and transport, Edison Briesen, with the Public Prosecutor (OM) on Monday afternoon.  According to RED, there is supposedly also bribery involved.

RED reports against Premier Oduber and Minister Briesen  (Amigoe: 4/22/2008)

Rudy Lampe and Armand Hessels (RED) on their way to the governor to hand in a copy of the reporting against Premier Oduber and Minister Briesen.

ORANJESTAD – Party-leader Rudy Lampe of opposition party RED and his fellow party member Armand Hessels reported violation of the accountability act and forgery in the harbour project in Aruba against Premier Nelson Oduber (MEP) and his fellow party member Minister of Tourism and transport, Edison Briesen, with the Public Prosecutor (OM) on Monday afternoon.  According to RED, there is supposedly also bribery involved.

RED is of the opinion that together with Glenbert Croes (OLA), Briesen clearly favours and is ‘an advocate’ of pulling in the Trusam-group from Spain, where according to RED, the minister has traveled suspiciously often to Spain in the past years.  RED says that Briesen had already arranged that the Bushiri-project went to Sol Melia (a subdivision of the Trusam-group), whereby it is suspected that Trusam already knew about it or was at least favoured.   

Red connects above with the fact that the project of Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines (RCCL) that now has interest in Caracasbaai in Curacao, like the Amigoe reported earlier, didn’t take place.  The negotiations with RCCL and harbour company Aruba Ports Authority (APA) had to be torpedoed and the notorious Nambar-letter from 2000, in which one million florins in bribery was offered, leaked out for that.  RCCL would have done the developments together with Namdar, but after the letter leaked out, this idea died an early death.  RED has documents that show that Briesen and Oduber did everything in their power to appoint Trusam, and didn’t put out a public tender.  

RED says having heard from reliable sources that lawyers’ firm Croes, Wever & Tchong, is representing this group in Aruba.  This firm is the office of former-minister Hendrik Croes (MEP), who is also national lawyer and that according to RED ‘exerts big influence on the policy and the decisions of this government’.  The Maritime & Transport Business Solutions BV that was brought in by Oduber in December of last year, is commissioned to negotiate the developments of the harbours of Oranjestad and Barcadera with the Spanish investors that were already appointed by Oduber.  Withy this, Oduber and Briesen are ‘willfully breaching the law and treaties’.  

They have violated a treaty that the Kingdom has concluded with the World Trade Organization (WTO).  Lampe and Hessels explained their reporting in a press conference.  They emphasized that the investments involved with the entire harbour project is going to be an estimate between 500 million and one milliard florins.  The project includes the move of the container harbour, the expansion of the facilities for cruise ships, the construction of a new Free Zone, and a real estate project that includes a hotel, condominiums, and a marina.

RED is afraid that with the huge amounts involved with the project, the democracy will be put under serious pressure, and especially the so-called finders-fees that are usual with these kinds of deals and amounts between the 5 and 10 percent, which will yield some tens of millions of florins for the persons directly involved.  According to RED, the amount of money that ends up in party-hands (read: MEP) via this project, will have such a predominant influence on the next elections and with that, definitely influence the result.

Lampe and Hessels write in the explanation of the accusation that the idea has always been and still is, to finance the move of the container harbour from the proceeds of one or more commercial concessions given to big project developers for the development of the harbour area and surrounding grounds in Oranjestad.

A possible concession to RCCL has been pending for a long time, but was for several reasons, not materialized, because the financial-economic outline would not be profitable enough and because of the well-known Namdar- scandal.  

Another investment group that for years has shown interest in the development of the harbour area in Oranjestad is the Trusam-group from Spain.  RED says in the accusations that in the current government, Minister Briesen is the ‘advocate’ of the Trusam-group.  “As minister, Briesen had already arranged that the Bushiri-project went to Sol Melia (a subdivision of the Trusam-group), whereby it is suspected that Trusam/Sol Media already knew this or was at least favoured.   A public tender was put out just for the formality.  The Bushiri-grounds form the western part of the harbour area.  Minister Briesen has traveled numerous times per year to Spain in the past years, without telling his ministry of the Aruba House in The Hague what the purpose of these trips the Spain was.  Every time he made a business trip to the Netherlands or elsewhere in Europe, be made sure to plan a trip to Spain.  We are not sure whether Trusam had paid for these trips or not.” 

Immediately after the transaction with RCCL was definitely blown off in December of 2007, Prime Minister Oduber had a meeting in the Netherlands with representatives of Maritime & Transport Business Solutions (MTBS), a subdivision of Royal Haskoning, a big consultant-, architect-, and engineer bureau.  That encounter was later confirmed in writing and the most important issue that is revealed is a request of Oduber to MTBS ‘to negotiate the development of the harbours in Oranjestad and Barcadera’ with the named investor, appointed by Oduber.

On behalf of the ministry of Tourism and Transport, Minister Briesen has signed a so-called Client/Consultant Services Agreement for the Project ‘Advisory Services Aruba Port Investments’ with MTBS on March 26, 2008.  RED says that the agreement represents at least 300.000 euro or 850.000 florins.  All the facts point out that Briesen and Oduber have willfully breached the law and public treaties, by entering an international service agreement without calling for tenders and have explicitly given orders not to put the investments in both harbour projects out for tender.

Copies of the accusation were handed to the Cabinet of the Governor and to the Representation of the Netherlands, because according to Lampe and Hessels, also the good name of the Kingdom is at stake, because of the signing of the WTO-treaty.  Lampe cannot understand that the current government has not learned from the bitter process of the Fondo Desaroyo Nobo San Nicolas.  Premier Oduber and Minister Briesen were not yet available for a comment this morning.


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    105 Responses to “RED Reports Against Premier Nelson Oduber & Minister of Tourism and Transport Edison Briesen … Accountability, Forgery & Bribery?”

    1. Vicki on April 24th, 2008 8:08 am

      The two idiots that made the decision to rid the Island of Beth…Karma is a bummer…but what goes around comes around..and maybe they the MEP will be ousted and the RED will get in control, and the house of cards will fall…In response to MS KATIE, URINE has sold his SOUL to the DEVIL, thats why he is doing what hes doing…but even that doesnt last. He will have the worst death ever…I hope his whole family does too. They all know what happened…filthy animals…

    2. chris on April 24th, 2008 8:22 am

      Every time I read something bad is happening on that wonderful island(yuck) I think that, had it not been for SM and all the monkeys staying the course, none of this crap would ever have seen daylight and all that has come out would have stayed hidden and no one would have been the wiser. A pat on everybodys’ back is so well deserved.
      Sinking fast Aruba! You did it to yourselves.

    3. misskatie on April 24th, 2008 8:59 am

      thanks for your response…
      that whole family has sold their soul to the devil

      so now when you hear of joran getting into trouble!! which we all know he will and has.
      he literaly can use that phrase the devil made me do it!! since his daddy is the davil….

      I truly believe that they will all pay
      you live by the sword you die by the sword..
      my blood pressure rises when I see his picture popping up somewhere.. partying and mocking us …makes me wanna empty my piggy bank to pay someone to eliminate him…

      sit back watch wait.. someone will do it for us…

    4. kiltie65 on April 24th, 2008 9:10 am

      So right. The total lack of any justice for Natalie has put a spotlight on this island exposing the rampant corruption. You think the “high and mighty” who now are sweating buckets like Paulus, would be somewhat peeved at the Van der Sloots. Additionally,Aruban posters often mock any efforts made for justice for Natalee, by claiming the U.S. crime rate is atrocious, and say fix your own problems. I would just like to say, at least the U.S. brings charges when an offense is committed wherever possible. Joran is not only repulsive to us all because of his guilt, but even more so by the way he smugly flaunts the fact he thinks he’ll get away with it.

    5. Richard on April 24th, 2008 9:50 am

      Kiltie65 (#4) … What’s even worse, so far Joran HAS gotten away with it. The Kalpoes and all the others, too.

      Has anyone seen anything about his being in Thailand, or Hong Kong, or wherever? Other than in the Dutch newspapers, I mean?

      As for this story … I find it very interesting that the opposition party should adopt the identity of … none other than … RED!

      Seems that this blog has a lot more impact on Aruba than even we had ever suspected.

      But as for bribery and corruption on Aruba … I guess it must be the Dutch ‘system.’ You know, the one that we don’t understand ….

    6. Richard on April 24th, 2008 9:52 am

      Aruba is for sale … at least, its politicians are.

    7. Miss-Underestimated on April 24th, 2008 10:20 am

      6. True and there seems to be no buyers for the sale of the island. The politicans, well, that’s dog eat dog.

      Vicki, Aruba was totally ignorant when Beth was there, at least the press was there spending money. Talk about cutting your nose off despite your face. Natalee Holloways story was just one of the skins of the onion, seems like everyday another layer is pulled off, soon we will see the core of corruption.

    8. brie. on April 24th, 2008 10:48 am

      Good grief…well it doesn’t surprise me in the slightest….no one has been watching….maybe if the unions dig even deeper they will find more….
      Gee, I wonder who’s been doing all the dirty paper work….One good guess!!!

      Richard, haven’t seen anything else about Joran except in Dutch newspapers….maybe the tourists that are sending pictures are Dutch….they would of course recognize him….or others could…people that are aware of this all know Peter is the crime reporter…and the civil suit is in the Netherlands….

    9. kaye on April 24th, 2008 12:33 pm

      #8 brie, i could not find anything on the AP wire or yahoo either about joran being in thailand. maybe those so-called “tourists” are the VDS family OR maybe someone just posted his gigantic frakenstein head on a photo taken in a crowd of folks and called it Thailand. ?????

    10. MissKatiekatie2u on April 24th, 2008 1:05 pm

      those idiots I think fixed the pic what do you think? joran and pauulus are up to their old tricks ????


    11. Patti on April 24th, 2008 2:24 pm

      Again, Bravo!

      If any of you remember, this is the deal that Jossy had written about that got Oduber soooo mad that he told every civil worker to stop buying the newspaper and threatened to shut it down. You see, Oduber doesn’t want anyone knowing what happened in that dirty, little deal… which is and was an indication of raqueteering, fraud, forgery and bribery. Isn’t that what we saw with the Natalee Holloway case?

      Oduber is a tyrant! An evil, wicked man that has lined his pockets with money from bribes all along. He’s got more secrets and ghosts in his closet that even his old, dusty military suit would have a hard time fitting in. THAT’s what we hate about Aruba is the corruption. Their palace walls are crooked under the rule of a crazy Arawak that couldn’t care less about Justice for Natalee, or anyone else, for that matter.

      Hey, Oduber:

      You piece of shit!

      How much of the Treasury

      have you mannaged to stuff in your pocket?

      Is that it?

      You have no money to pay your workers,

      Fair Pay for Equal Work?

      When was the last time you got that straw

      out of your nose long enough to realize

      that you are falling, right on your face,

      in front of us, in front of the Dutch,

      and in front of the World.

      The PEOPLE of Aruba have outwitted you…

      and soon you will be gone,

      just like THAT!


      We don’t need more communism here…

      We, the People, have a choice.

      The next should be to impeach you!!!


      No more Arawak, please…


      Boycott Aruba!!!!

    12. Patti on April 24th, 2008 2:30 pm

      Hey Oduber!

      Remember, Now You See it,

      Now you don’t?

      We’ve got a few tricks of our own…

      Now we see you,

      Now we don’t!


      Where’d ‘e go?!?!???


    13. Patti on April 24th, 2008 2:33 pm

      I like this RED…


    14. brie. on April 24th, 2008 4:37 pm

      I posted on a different thread but I will happy to post again….I went searching…that picture of Joran in his green shirt with the black strips is almost identical to the one taken in Aruba on Dec 10, 2007….the black thing he is his wearing around his neck is positioned exactually the same way in the photo taken in Aruba when he was released from jail on Dec 10,2007…the wrinkles in his shirt are identically the same…both the same on the right and left….that is not a coincidence…he is smiling a bit more in one photo but there could of been more taken on that day….the other photo we saw looks like he was placed in the picture…he is taller than the roof…another one of his sadistic games…Beth is waiting on her civil suit and Joran is making a joke out of everything as usual….he picked the travel destination of Bangkok…because he likes the word bang and the word kok…I am Joran…King of the sociopaths….

      As I said earlier, maybe we need to play the game , Joran ate too many hot peppers at the floating market in Bangkok and burnt his ass off!!!

    15. Minky from CH on April 24th, 2008 4:46 pm

      Since the whole world knows what’s going on in Aruba, how can anybody expect, this country can be ruled by such Idiots.
      They are so dumb, that they don’t even realize, they are twisting their own rope.
      A government of arrogant, greedy Imbecils.

      Go to hell Oduber with your whole rat tail.
      Just evaporate, or sink with the whole Island. Idiot! Your time is over.

      Disapear from he map, you are History like Atlantis.
      FIGHT FOR JUSTICE and “hang” the S$$lots and cohort.

    16. brie. on April 24th, 2008 5:02 pm

      People can play with photos all the time….that was a direct insult to Beth…someone waiting for her civil suit…Joran the predator, still stalking….Paulus raised Joran in the image that he is in…..!!!! They are all sick…..!!!!

    17. kiltie65 on April 24th, 2008 5:46 pm

      In the Blogs for Natalee, in the forum entitled, Where in the World is Joran, they have super-imposed his head on a fat, half naked, sumi wrestler. It suits him to a tee.

    18. Bob on April 24th, 2008 8:05 pm

      And so it is coming to pass………..I have predicted several times that the “little people” on Aruba will rise up, take to the streets, and there WILL be bloodshed. The corrupt government leaders and officials have been siphoning money from unions, public assistance programs, and shipping revenues. Now there’s little left for the common decent Aruban trying to feed his family and pay his mounting bills. Tourism a growing disaster, there is no trust in local political leadership, food is getting scarce, fuel prices are soaring, and AMERICAN sinlges and families are waging a voluntary BOYCOTT to protest the drugging, raping, and illegal remains dumping of an AMERICAN innocent female. She is and we have made her into a lightening rod against foreign injustice and will continue to do so. Aruba is being crushed by it’s own stupidity.

      I say the citizens and little people of Aruba should rise up against corruption, drugs, fraud, murder, and all of the other issues that affect their right to a living wage and respect. What are you good people waiting for? Government offficials and the Polis to crash into your homes and pull out memebrs of your families? That’s what Hitler did…..guess who’s going to do it on Aruba? Wake up!!!!!!!!!!!


    19. waterboy (Jerry) on April 24th, 2008 8:55 pm


      What was Marie Wever’s address when she was living? I had it at one time. You never know what will be important, and when it seems like it might be you can’t find it.

      Also, don’t take this as a criticism; and if you do then I’ll take it as criticism of myself also. Why do we sensationalize Natalee’s death? What I am asking is why does there have to be this conspiracy theory that we all seem to seek out. I’ll admit, I’m just as guilty and you’ve read my post, so you know I’m telling the truth.

      It worries me that I eagerly read the post about the possibility of Natalee being video taped by some sick individuals for pleasure or profit. I hope it is not a dark side of myself that enjoys these post. I don’t think enjoy is the right word, but it is a close as I can come.

      It has always been my sincerest wish that Natalee would show up alive and unhurt, but as Richard pointed out one time, that whole idea is naive and angling on the verge of juvenilely naive.

      Anyway, I must remind myself that the most reasonable and most probable cause of Natalee’s disappearance and probable death is simply one very sick, and deranged individual, and anything else is just diversion by an equally sick and deranged father and the father’s friends trying to protect a son who should never see the sun again.


    20. Ray on April 24th, 2008 9:06 pm

      When someone rules with bribes and fear their downfall may be pretty. IMO Oduber may end up in one of his own Jail Cell. It would serve Oduber right.


    21. waterboy (Jerry) on April 24th, 2008 9:15 pm

      To all,

      This is a follow-up to my post to Crossbow.

      I don’t like to hate. I don’t. I try all kinds of mid-tricks to avoid any feeling of hate. But honestly, I hate Joran, and I hate Paulus.

      I’m trying to remember when I started hating Joran. It was not the first day; I thought he was innocent. When they arrested the two black security guards, I didn’t hate them. I didn’t hate Joran.

      I think I started hating Joran when I heard Beth describe her meeting with him. Then I hated him. I wish I didn’t hate him. I’m going to have to pray about this.

      I started hating Paulus later, after I started hating Joran. For the life of me I can’t remember when. I must ask God to give me a forgiving heart. Not a forgetting heart. There is a difference.


    22. Ray on April 24th, 2008 9:17 pm

      I intended to say MAY NOT BE PRETTY.


    23. always 1 on April 24th, 2008 9:55 pm

      waterboy, I would not worry about your feelings of hate, any man who would spend time working on the case of a young girl (you didnt even know) and expresssing the feelings of your wife and child the way you do, I think your heart is in the right place…..I know Ill meet you at the GATE someday…

    24. Patti on April 24th, 2008 9:59 pm

      Oh, Waterboy…

      You are like a glass of cold, cold water.

      Refreshing to my soul.

      Natalee speaks through you.

      She lives in you and you want to find her.

      I think there was a conspiracy.

      There were too many people after her…

      All the time she was there.

      Testing her.


      It’s like they swooped down on her…

      and she was gone.

      But, even, Beth thinks that Natalee was in

      the Sloot’s house the night she arrived.



    25. Patti on April 24th, 2008 10:05 pm


      Do you remember reading that the carcass of the

      sailor who drowned in the 1700′s and was found

      buried under the natural bridge was released to

      Marie Weaver, chair for the Natural History Museum.


      I thought that was odd.


      Did anyone from the U.S. ever examine that carcass?

    26. Patti on April 24th, 2008 10:09 pm


      I hate talking like that…

      but, usually that’s all

      we find of people.

      Forgive me…


      Justice for Natalee!


    27. Richard on April 24th, 2008 10:11 pm

      Waterboy (Jerry) (#19) … I don’t think any of us “enjoys” speculating about what might have happened to Natalee. At least, I hope not.

      When I first heard about her disappearance, nearly three years ago, the similarities to the disappearance of Amy Bradley were what motivated me to keep up with news about it. (I’ve gone on for years about my work with Amy’s family, so no need to bore you with it again.)

      I have changed my views on the most likely explanation for the Aruba tragedy … but as I’ve said before, either there is a conspiracy to protect certain locals or there is not. (A conspiracy is defined as two or more people plotting together.)

      If you don’t think there is … then clearly, Aruba’s police are inept, corrupt, worthless. So boycotting the island is nearly a moral duty.

      If you do think there is … all the more reason.

      Most of us think that such a conspiracy does exist. I don’t see how anyone can doubt it.

      My point: WHY has it continued over such a long time? WHY has the Aruban government been willing to take the economic blows that it has?

      Is it merely to protect the van der Scums and Kalpoes? I find that hard to believe.

      If that’s not the case, then something bigger is at stake. What can it be?

      I used to think that it was human trafficking. I no longer do. So what else could there be that, if Americans knew, would be so devastating to Aruba (at least in its own eyes) that it will do anything to keep the truth suppressed?

      Freddy was staying at Joran’s apartment the night Natalee vanished, I believe. Joran says that the Kalpoes were not involved, but I don’t believe it. The notion that Freddy (whose own lawyer has admitted that he did film ‘kiddie porn’ videos) and Joran were out to use a tourist girl for yet another video doesn’t seem outlandish to me.

      Something like this seems to me to be the most likely explanation. I suspect that some top people in the Aruban government and law enforcement at least take payoffs from this kind of business. They must know, too, that if the news got out in public, their own careers would be destroyed, their source of illicit income smashed, and that Americans would shun Aruba.

      That’s my explanation. What’s yours?

    28. Richard on April 24th, 2008 10:15 pm

      And remember, no matter what our theories, there’s one thing, one PRACTICAL thing, we can do.

      Take part in the anti-Aruba protests, or support those who do. No more Natalees … ever again.

      “No justice for Natalee…no tourists for Aruba.”

      Contact for more info.

    29. always 1 on April 24th, 2008 10:39 pm

      Richard, why is it when I try to research some of the older posts and you say look at this post……..and I try to look at it and the computer says “internet choses not to show this” or something to that effect….who does that???

    30. always 1 on April 24th, 2008 10:47 pm

      well, I guess I will wait for you answer tomorrow, because its 1146 in this beautiful Oil Capitol of the World…and Im so sleepy….luv you all….

    31. Herman on April 24th, 2008 11:30 pm

      Hello everybody,
      It’s a good morning overhere and a sleep tight to you.
      Thanks for reading the messages between each other.
      Let’s not give up hope… finding Natalee!

    32. the TRUTH doesnt hurt, its the TRUTH on April 25th, 2008 6:14 am

      i hate everyone involved in this nightmare and im glad i do hate them all.

      forgiveness……?? not for me

      someone else can do it

      the man upstairs can do it. and even if he does forgive them. i wont

    33. kaye on April 25th, 2008 6:36 am

      richard#27…..i agree with you. IMO it is the porn business. IMO paulus VDS was/is involved and more than likely other officials (close friends of paulus). why would he make a special trip to florida within days of natalees disappearance. in one of deepaks statements they said “we took the camera to freddy”. deepak worked at the internet cafe that his step-father or uncle owned (not sure). perfect place to distribute porn worldwide. the pieces do seem to fit together.
      so many unanswered questions……..

    34. Herman on April 25th, 2008 6:37 am

      Trying on youtube again.
      Waiting for the power that one day comes!!!

    35. katablog on April 25th, 2008 7:54 am

      may be porn or not, several things are apparent:
      Paulus is involved
      Joran is involved
      Kalpoe brothers (at least Deepak) are involved
      Natalee is dead
      More than these people above know what happened
      Aruba is DONE, stick a fork in it.

    36. Richard on April 25th, 2008 9:05 am

      Always1 (#29) … I have no idea. Maybe for some of these horrific articles, your computer has a screening filter that won’t allow them to appear.

      If you’re looking for an article under a general topic, try researching that topic and seeing what comes up.

      Usually, when I post something here, I put both the url and the actual text. That will preserve it in case the url vanishes, or they take it down, or something like that.

      Hey, folks, yet another day when a search of Yahoo! News and Thai newspapers turns up NO reports of Joran van der Sloot, in Thailand or anywhere else.

    37. brie. on April 25th, 2008 9:10 am

      #9….Kaye….those pictures look more like the Philippines….!!!! It was just a big hoax like Richard said….so where is he I don’t know….but obviously hiding…they are all running from the truth….

    38. brie. on April 25th, 2008 9:40 am

      Joran and all need to to answer questions presented by the judge in the Netherlands…under oath…Paulus obviously cannot do that…disbarred at the least….we need to call “Dog” and get everyone’s ass where they belong…

    39. Carpe on April 25th, 2008 10:15 am
    40. Carpe on April 25th, 2008 10:20 am

      Let’s not give up hope… finding Natalee!

      We’ll never give up, Herman. Keep on making

      the good music videos, dude.


    41. Patti on April 25th, 2008 10:29 am

      The Truth?

      They will not even deserve a resurrection. When they die, they will be dead, forever and ever. Never to rise, never to live again.

      They have sinned against the Holy Ghost…

      and there is no forgiveness for that.

      Sentenced to DEATH.


    42. Patti on April 25th, 2008 10:36 am

      But, Natalee will sit

      at the right hand side of God,

      to help him judge others.

      With her loving kindness,

      Her love for mankind,


      Her knowledge of Children.


      THAT’s why she lives in your heart.


      Justice for Natalee


      ALL the others!


    43. Patti on April 25th, 2008 10:51 am


      You still have the second picture? The one of

      the girl who died the same day as the boy?

      That girl may have been found at the dump site.

      From a distance, she could pass as Natalee.


    44. Patti on April 25th, 2008 11:03 am

      I believe the boy

      may have been

      at the rocks

      with Natalee.

      For some reason, I get the feeling that there was a boy from Honduras who died with Natalee. Were there any boys reported missing in Honduras, or perhaps a boy sent to work for his family in Aruba?

      Also, what do we know about the girl?

      Please post a link to their pictures again.

      Thanks in Advance…


    45. Patti on April 25th, 2008 11:13 am

      And after the day of Judgement,

      She shall be joined with her family…


      They’ll DANCE!


    46. Patti on April 25th, 2008 12:17 pm


      I’m sorry, but this is where we disagree. I don’t think that a bunch of high-school kids making a porn movie on an island that openly promotes sexual activity with strangers through their sex tourism (remember the brochures at the hotel?) would be something that Oduber would get his feathers fluffed up over… This is an island that’s been owned by the Dutch for years. Sex tourism is their spec-i-al-it-tee. No one would be embarrassed.

      Any doctor could look at that body in the bush and tell you the cause of death… In my opinion, THAT was what was being covered. And the fact that there are other bodies, there, only confirms what we suspect is happening in Aruba. You’ve said it yourself, it’s a human-trafficking center. So, where is everybody going and why are human remains being found buried in the sand, where children play, on their beaches washed up by the shores and in dark caves… cooked to a crisp?

      The same thing happens, here, sometimes; but why do we not covet it? Because it’s not something you see everyday.

      And all this talk about Jossy not hitting up his friends for money… Jossy is a news reporter, not a news maker. He is to remain neutral, in order to be taken seriously. HE has voiced his opinion many times in editorials.

      He wants Justice…


      That’s alright, by me.


      But, other than that, I am in full agreement with you. Have the ultimate amount of respect for you and appreciate EVERTHING, big and small, that you do.

      I think you’re a doll!

      I wish more men were as sensitive to a womans needs as you are. You are a hero!


    47. Richard on April 25th, 2008 12:58 pm

      Thanks for the kind words, Patti. I agree with you that if the only issue were the making of a porn movie, it would be no issue for Oduber. I suspect that such a deed is not unknown, there and elsewhere.

      But when you figure that this particular girl would have been drugged and subdued to secure her involvement (nobody thinks that Natalee would have been a willing participant), as perhaps other tourist girls have been…

      and that such a movie might have been a follow-up to an act of rape by one or many of the “Pimps” (making such a movie MIGHT have been an afterthought, though that seems unlikely … Freddy’s own lawyer has said that he was involved in such things) …

      and that the girl in question is now missing ….

      If you recall the thread I posted on the Blue Orchid group, a “kiddie porn” organization involving people from many countries that was smashed in 1001, that shows the commercial potential for scum who take part. And the article made clear that the participants were not illiterate old geezers in dirty raincoats; they were technically and computer-savvy types.

      Could the “Pimps” have had some such kind of ring going? Could they have been (could they still be) the procurers of girls for these films … and for their own “pleasures” … and could Natalee’s death by accident (drug overdose) or by purpose (gang assault, dispute coming up, whatever) have made the cover-up necessary?

      Would you let your daughter go on a spring break to an island where it became known that an American girl had been drugged at a bar, put in a car, taken somewhere, assaulted, and filmed?

      I think I can intuit your answer. The same would be true for most Americans. There goes Aruba’s tourism industry … and there go the payoffs from the operators who make these films.

      Obviously, none of this is proof.

    48. Richard on April 25th, 2008 1:02 pm

      Also, in re Jossy Mansur … he did tell me, in reply to an e-mail I sent him suggesting that Aruba ought to be raising funds to help finance the Persistence, and that he was the logical one to lead such an effort, that he agreed with me.

      He promised to get going on it immediately.

      I haven’t heard anything since then. That proves nothing … but if he agreed to take it on, why hasn’t he? Maybe there’s some reason, but I don’t see why he would first promise to do something and then just not do it.

    49. Richard on April 25th, 2008 1:05 pm

      In my post #47, the year in which the Blue Orchid operation was destroyed was 2001, not 1001.

    50. always 1 on April 25th, 2008 1:34 pm

      MissKatie, when you have a long time to read, pull up “scared monkeys marion wever” it shows all the statements given by Joran etc etc…really interesting if you havent read them….d

    51. Patti on April 25th, 2008 1:38 pm


      That happens HERE all the time.

      It happens in Mexico…

      It happens EVERYWHERE!

      Have people stopped going to Mexico?


      Have people stopped coming to the U.S.?


      This murder, if it had of been a porn movie in the making; could have EASILY been pawned off as another of the MANY incidences of kidnapping, filming, rape and murder.

      But it wasn’t.


      Because of the Chicago Videos.


    52. misskatie on April 25th, 2008 1:48 pm

      bless your heart
      alot of us didnt start out with hate or malice in our hearts towards joran and pauulus…anita..
      not until we seen the cold blooded actions and their attitude towards beth.. while she was in their home.. she reached out with her broken heart and placed a woven hand made bracelet on pauulus and anitas wrist..
      from her heartbroken frame 0f mind she humbly asked for answers
      that they had..
      they lied to her… they treated her like the one that was a criminal…

      they had no regard.. for her grief …. then when joran gloated to beth and treated her with such disrespect… didnt his parents teach him respect towards elders.. oviously not…thats when I began to feel the anomosity and hatred towards pauulus and joran..anita. when joran sent beth pictures or something to that efffect mocking her.. than I realy hated them… pauulus treated the holloway family as he had taught his son to treat others…. they have no respect even for eachother.. they lack morals and values.. and have never had dignity… they just exist as cruel murdering individuals….
      what they have done to the holloways will never be forgotten or acceptable…. we have been here every step of the way.. some longer than others… I have nothing but respect for all you monkeys that have taken the time to research and share all the information regarding this case…. many intruders have come here with negative remarks and we have lashed back out at them… but.. only because when it comes to justice and a reality comprehension of the way aruba treated the holloways… they stood by pauulus side…and of course his idiot son…I will be here until the end… as many of you will also…
      we will stick together


    53. Patti on April 25th, 2008 1:51 pm

      Certainly, anything is possible…

      But, in the end;

      there was Natalee and Oduber.

      Oduber gave her the thumbs down signal

      and that was the end of that.


      Shame on him!



    54. Patti on April 25th, 2008 2:05 pm

      Speaking of Mexico…

      I have a man that works for me. He’s from Mexico. When I told him what I think happened to Natalee, he said that I’m probably right. That kind of crime has been committed in Mexico for centuries. To NOT believe that there are human sacrificing devils, walking this earth, is being naive… and he, too, believes that these deaths are the work of underground societies of Indians, maybe from Venezuella or Belize, that are sac-religious.



    55. Patti on April 25th, 2008 2:11 pm

      Besides, if you’re right, then that means

      Paulus rules Aruba from his recliner…

      and I, highly, doubt that.


      What do you think?

    56. waterboy (Jerry) on April 25th, 2008 4:03 pm

      I’ve got to go out of town. I’ll get back as soon as I can. I’ve got a lot of questions.


    57. always 1 on April 25th, 2008 4:27 pm

      be safe Waterboy!!!!!

    58. Herman on April 25th, 2008 4:32 pm

      Hello again. It’s 0:24 am here in Wageningen. And you have teatime I suppose. Strange, but the papers keep silence in the case Natalee. I do think that De Vries lets follow the guy Joran.One or the other way: there are still people who stay searching in the hidden dark mistories.

    59. kayjay on April 25th, 2008 5:26 pm

      IMO this case has not been solved because the house of cards extends all the way to the Netherlands…I see no effort on their part to get the case solved. I believe Aruba is an off shore haven for many wealthy Dutch people who have quite a lot to hide, and they don’t want their nasty hornet’s nest disturbed. PaulusvanderS**t along with his cohorts know their dirty secrets. I suspect porn is part of it but drugs, money laundering, and tax evasion, are IMO also involved. Sadly I belive our own government could have done more, but because of the alliance, fianacial investments in the US, support in war zones, etc. they too turn a blind eye.
      The other islands are probably run in a very similar manner, hence that so-called Judge Smid.
      The financial chaos on the island is now beginning to undermine their self-serving, evil lifestyles, but whether they will ever make any arrests in Natalee’s case I am not sure. I believe that will only happen with a direct order from the Netherlands.

    60. kayjay on April 25th, 2008 5:28 pm

      Clarification…meant to say “financial investments by the Netherlands”

    61. brie. on April 25th, 2008 5:29 pm

      #58…. Herman we don’t know where Joran is..but eventually we will find him…I think Peter is sill active in the case…..anyway your bacon and eggs sounded really good the other morning…maybe add a glass of V-8 and some taters….

    62. Patti on April 25th, 2008 10:31 pm

      I agree, like way so much.

      I think the Netherlands

      is in cahoots with Aruba.

      All the way to the bank.


    63. misskatie on April 25th, 2008 10:44 pm

      im mexican 100% and know that there alot of things done in mexico for satanic sacrifices

    64. misskatie on April 25th, 2008 10:47 pm

      i recall a bout ten yrs back or longer there was a college kid from brownsville texas that went to mexico with a bunch of buddies for spring break
      he was target and seperated.. from his friends .. kidnapped and used as a sacrifice by some evil satanic people I think his name was mark kilgore … do any of you remember that… they dismembered him..

    65. misskatie on April 25th, 2008 10:52 pm

      thanks always 1
      for the info I will get on it on sunday when I return to work and have more time ..

      oh getting back to mark kilgore there was a book written about the incident..

      lol brie
      bacon eggs and a hot cup of cofee yummmie for my tummie

    66. Patti on April 25th, 2008 11:04 pm

      Hey… Kay Jay!

      Nice to see you post.

      So what do you think about the racqueteering?

      That’s the most serious.

      I guess they call it a violation of accountability. But, basically, it’s when you don’t give everyone a fair chance to win. In the practice of law, it’s a serious charge and is exactly what happened to Beth, in her quest for justice from Aruba. She didn’t have a chance. In the case of this contracting business, it was the same. Not every developer had the opportunity to bid on a government job. Excluding people takes away their chances of winning, or getting the contract to perform the work. More than likely, the price was not fair to the people of Aruba, because it had; within it built in costs which, could be called, ventured capital, Research and Development or what have you.

      Not only that, the contract called for the employees to be supplied by the Contractor, which may have meant that a foreign interest would be putting their own people to work, instead of the citizens of Aruba. Either way, the signing of the contract, which was BAD for Aruba; was, indeed, only attainable with a bribe… and guess who had their hand out? The one that developed his own interest with this Spanish company and ran a racquet to come out on top.


      Sorry, Bud…

      Back to the end of the line!


      Boycott Aruba!

    67. Patti on April 25th, 2008 11:13 pm

      I think Oduber, finally, swallowed more

      than he can chew.

      The contract will be void,

      Oduber will end up in the pen.

      The bribe money,

      attained from illegal sources,

      will be confiscated.

      And, Oduber will be impeached.


      But… Where is Natalee?


    68. Patti on April 25th, 2008 11:20 pm


      We’ve ALL got questions.


    69. brie. on April 26th, 2008 12:02 am

      Who knows what will happen..there are no laws in Aruba that are enforced….it’s all about do what you want…

    70. Ray on April 26th, 2008 12:34 am

      The so called good people of aruba have proved that the life of a 18 year old AMERICAN TOURIST GIRL MEANS NOT A DAMN THING TO THEM.


    71. brie. on April 26th, 2008 12:46 am

      It seems like more and more people are giving up…I won’t mention any names but it it obvious…well thanks for all of your help!!!

    72. waterboy (Jerry) on April 26th, 2008 7:44 am


      Yes, I remember them finding the remains of a sailor. I don’t remember what happen to the body.

      The Marie I’m interested in has the first name Jalitza. Her last name is Wever. This is the spelling the funeral home people use also.


    73. waterboy (Jerry) on April 26th, 2008 7:47 am


      The h before your name does not mean anything. I don’t know where that came from.


    74. Richard on April 26th, 2008 10:35 am

      The Mark Kilgore abduction was part of a bizarre case involving a Mexican witch and drug dealers. A lot of locals had been sacrificed before that.

      Kayjay (#59) … I’ve posted articles showing that human trafficking, drug trafficking, and arms trafficking are all inter-linked. The same criminal networks are involved. Money-laundering as well.

    75. Carpe on April 26th, 2008 10:59 am


      The h is silent.

    76. brie. on April 26th, 2008 11:08 am

      Oduber could very well end up in the pen but it won’t be because the gov’t put him there…..go for it unions and get rid of the trash along with the Sloot’s….take control of your island and put your own people in place….and give us justice for Natalee….you all saw the video and now know how horrible it was…

    77. Carpe on April 26th, 2008 11:14 am

      #70 Ray


      …and to think they have the brass set of man apples
      to say come back and dance in safe Aruba… after we have seen some of the most sadistic, brutal, nasty,
      EXTREMELY VICIOUS acts of cruelty unleashed on the
      Holloway family over the past three years…

      Screw that.

      Not one person on that awful island has come forth,
      post DE VRIES JORAN STING confession, to say sorry for
      the poor treatment when we still thought Joran might be innocent.

      Hey Aruba, I got sumpin’ you can dance up on.

    78. kayjay on April 26th, 2008 11:54 am

      Patti I think racqueteering is power for the course in Aruba and other third world detinations.
      It sounds as if its finally goinf to bite the PM in the butt..he should have been run out of town years ago. If he’s one of Queen Beatrix appointees, then she is guilty of very poor judgment.
      You are right Beth did not stand a chance with those miserables sob’s. She had to move fast to try and get Natalee home, no time to plan a strategy or even go with the system, even if she wanted to, which I would doubt.
      I am hoping that this lawsuit will move the housecleaning on that cactus pile forward. I am not surprised we have not heard anything about it..the wheels of justice grind slowly…and I am sure they are being very careful over the preparation of the case.
      I check SM daily..don’t always post, but rest assured I’m here for the duration.

    79. waterboy (Jerry) on April 26th, 2008 12:13 pm

      I can’t get my posts to go.

    80. misskatie on April 26th, 2008 12:25 pm

      yes richard
      it had to do with withch craft … the name something like santera.. I read the book.. it was totaly gruesome but it does happen more common than not

    81. kiltie65 on April 26th, 2008 2:54 pm

      Richard, on one of your recent posts, you asked for assumptions on what possible “power” could be protecting the Van der Sloots. Here is one “off the wall” thought. Reading back on an old post about the “choller” protests that I think Misskatie referenced, I saw a post that Joran was born before Paulus and Anita married. I recall way, way back when I first was attempting to use the internet, seeing something Jossy wrote where he was trying, with not much luck at the time, to get a copy of Joran’s birth certificate and I think he was querying if Anita was actually Joran’s mother. Anyone got a link to any of that? At the time, Paulus was working in the Royal household and the inference I took from Jossy’s article was maybe Joran was a by blow of some dalliance in the royal household. I do think there was a copy of the birth certificate found eventually and Jossy printed it. The paperwork must have indicated Anita was the mother, because I think even I would have remembered if the “mother” was shown as someone from the royal family…but would love to read all that again and see where Jossy was going with it.

    82. Carpe on April 26th, 2008 5:25 pm



      That would explain a bunch to me!

      …because he truly goes

      around acting like

      a ROYAL A$$HO. ;)

    83. waterboy (Jerry) on April 27th, 2008 7:53 am

      Joran was recently found buried in sand up to his chin. Seems he had been there for days on the beach in Aruba, and no one saw him. It is speculated perhaps hundreds of people must have just walked right by him, possible even stepping on his noggin.
      When ask what happen, he said a couple of black guys in security guard uniforms did it.

      He thinks they did it for his shoes. He said at one point, a stray dog tried to dig him out, but suddenly ran off for no apparent reason.

      As rescuers attempted to free him, they inadvertently chopped off his right arm with the backhoe they were using. He was screaming, “I’m suing, I’m suing, my dad’s a lawyer”, so they just left him buried there. He may be there for decades before anyone digs him out. He will probable become a landmark, like the lighthouse. He will be in all the brochures.


    84. waterboy (Jerry) on April 27th, 2008 8:00 am

      Thanks Carpe.

      To all. If someone has not seen video #8 at the 1min. 34-second point, then go to this link.

      If someone says this is not a human hand, all I have to say is, quoting from the game Halo, “get your blinders off.”


    85. Richard on April 27th, 2008 8:29 am

      Kiltie65 (#81) … Way back when, there was a report/rumor (not sure which) floating around that Paulus vdScum and Karin Janssen, the former prosecutor on Aruba who now is in the Netherlands, had had an affair.

      I think it was also rumored that Joran was the product of this illicit union.

      No idea whether either, or both, are true, but it’s a fact that this rumor was in circulation on Aruba.

    86. misskatie on April 27th, 2008 9:55 am


    87. misskatie on April 27th, 2008 10:01 am


    88. kiltie65 on April 27th, 2008 10:16 am

      #85. Thanks, Richard. I’m still playing catch up. Had heard him and Karin were fooling around, didn’t know it dated way back. Only bas**ard I had heard about previous to this, was the rumors on Lorenzo. If Joran’s biological mother is not Anita, she has to get some reluctant brownie points for not bailing on Joran on day one. I remember during Greta’s interview with sweathog Paulus on day one, Anita assuring everyone that if Joran was involved, of course, he would go forward and turn himself in, yada, yada, yada. When he confessed on tape, you’d think that would be Anita’s cue to grab Joran by the ear and have him “do the honorable thing”. Not holding my breath.

    89. always 1 on April 27th, 2008 11:13 am

      the last light house keeper was Frederico Fingal of Aruba…do any of you know how to find out any more information on him….

    90. always 1 on April 27th, 2008 12:13 pm

      Who built the lighthouse? How was it connected to the restaurant- its too far away….who commited suicide on the lighthouse so it was closed to the public? What does the inside of the lighthouse look like? Did Joran have a Key????

    91. always 1 on April 27th, 2008 1:18 pm

      did you all know there is an ongoing treasure hunt on Aruba….yep, you type in clues for aruba lighthouse and it tells you how to play…how crazy is that?

    92. misskatie on April 27th, 2008 5:05 pm




    93. always 1 on April 27th, 2008 5:57 pm

      I agree misskatie, i was just doing some research…it frustrates me when i try to find things about Aruba and the only things that come up are travel sites….

    94. molly in houston on April 27th, 2008 7:23 pm

      #6. Richard. “How much money do you have?”

      boycott aruba
      molly in houston

    95. molly in houston on April 27th, 2008 7:26 pm

      #64 Miss Kate:
      I remember that story–positively horrible. It’s a religion called Santeria. It is some form of witchcraft. Some spring break those kids had.

      boycott aruba
      molly in houston

    96. misskatie on April 27th, 2008 8:50 pm

      it was horrific and thank you for the right wording … I couldnt quite remember I knew I was close..

    97. misskatie on April 27th, 2008 8:53 pm

      I know I have encountered the same… they are desperately trying to sell their island.. wouldnt be so bad if they sold it.(THE ISLAND). and everyone vacated and start a new….they ..R … .doomed!!!

    98. misskatie on April 27th, 2008 8:54 pm

      good nite all of you that are here for justice for natalie god bless you
      and all you trolls here

    99. Richard on April 28th, 2008 9:24 am

      Aruba has to bribe people … to go there. Even so, fewer and fewer are taking the bait.

    100. Patti on April 28th, 2008 6:37 pm

      Boycott Aruba!


    101. misskatie on April 28th, 2008 6:59 pm

      aruba has been made popular by its incompetent govt…

      pauulus has ruined aruba… well we cant leave anita out after all she spat him out.. she shook of choked him at birth

      she may have even gotten rewarded for it

    102. misskatie on April 28th, 2008 7:01 pm

      does anyone know where that pig pauulus and his silence of the lamb mental son

    103. misskatie on April 28th, 2008 7:02 pm

      wonder if aruba has finaly had it with them since we aint going anywhere anytime soon

    104. misskatie on April 28th, 2008 7:04 pm

      arubaaaaaaaaaa sucks………. boycott…………until the island goes down under…………..

    105. crossbow on April 29th, 2008 6:19 pm

      waterboy: sorry I’m late. I do not dwell on what might have been done to Natalee either. However; there has been enough writeen about that which was inflicted on other victims that anything could have happened. I too would love to see Natalee alive. Unfortunately; I believe the odds are against it; especially after Joran’s confession. The only thing one could think of was something very vile happened and that her body under duress, which warranted aid, was ignored and must not be found within the time frame that an autopsy would uncover incriminating evidence.
      Now for hate: It is much easier to hate than to love. But hate is very negative. I really do not hate Joran, I want him to realize what he has done, confess and take his punishment. The same for the rest of those involved; and I believe there were many, both male and female. I may have spoken with too many Shamen and Psychics; all their thoughts point to the Lighthouse. What may have happened have similarity among all of them.
      Yet; Capslockwizard feels strongly about Matty’s Apartment. There is a possiblity that both are correct.
      BTW One who loves sleeps well, one who hates never sleeps. That is “The Secret”.

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