Natalee Holloway: American Authorities Help Arrest Aruban Suspect, Too Bad We Can’t Say the Same About Help From Aruba


Aruba … this is a hint as to how people are supposed to act when crimes are committed.

American authorities are being praised by Aruban public prosecutor (OM), Hans Mos, for their part in notifying Aruba that they had arrested an individual who is suspected of embezzling money in Aruba. I am glad America could help Aruba fight crime. Its too bad that we could not say the same regarding Aruban authorities actions in fight crime against Americans while in Aruba.

American authorities tipped the OM when the suspect traveled to the US last Thursday.  “We issued a request for provisional arrest, which took place on Saturday”, said chief district attorney Hans Mos, who is very pleased with the good cooperation with the American authorities.

Hans Mos, who is very pleased with the good cooperation with the American authorities.

So Aruba … WHERE IS YOUR RECIPROCAL HELP!!! Imagine when we had arrested M.M.F in Miami if we said, go wait in the Hard Rock Cafe and wait for us to give you your suspect. Or we provided an elaborate cover up for this embezzlers and just let the individual go with contacting Aruba or caring what they had done or crime committed in your country.

Instead in Aruba, officials cover up a crime against Natalee Holloway while Joran Van der Sloot walks free and just hope and pray that their tourism comes back in time without providing justice for Natalee.

Suspect multi-million fraud at National Lab arrested (Amigoe; 3/3/08)

ORANJESTAD – Upon request of the Aruban Public Prosecutor (OM), the American authorities have arrested a 53-year old man, who is suspected of embezzling 5 million florins at the National Lab, where he used to work.  The arrest took place in Miami last Saturday.

The National Lab reported a large-scale fraud late last year.  However, the former employee M.M.F. has already fled to Colombia at that time.  The OM issued an international warrant for the suspect’s arrest, and with success.  The American authorities tipped the OM when the suspect traveled to the US last Thursday.  “We issued a request for provisional arrest, which took place on Saturday”, said chief district attorney Hans Mos, who is very pleased with the good cooperation with the American authorities.

F. is suspected of embezzlement, forgery, fraud, and money laundering.  He was placing orders with non-existing suppliers in the US.  The media reported embezzlement of 10 million florins, but according to Mos, the amount is 5 million florins in five-year time.  F. was brought up in Florida today, whereby Aruba has submitted a request for his extradition.  If the suspect agrees with the extradition request, he will be sent to Aruba in two weeks.

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    65 Responses to “Natalee Holloway: American Authorities Help Arrest Aruban Suspect, Too Bad We Can’t Say the Same About Help From Aruba”

    1. buster on March 4th, 2008 8:20 am

      aruba will do nothing with the suspect

    2. Betsy on March 4th, 2008 8:38 am

      Well, it is obvious to me that this suspect’s father “Daury” is not a judge in Aruba. He is obviously one of the “little” people

    3. SL-Gloria on March 4th, 2008 8:44 am

      Please change RECIPRICOL for RECIPROCAL
      SM: Fixed, thank you (klaasend)

    4. brie on March 4th, 2008 9:27 am

      Well Aruba, we’ll send you this in guy in exchange for Joran.

    5. Richard on March 4th, 2008 9:47 am

      Point is, ScaredMonkeys, this guy took Aruba’s MONEY. No wonder it’s a big deal. We already know that something trivial, like the life of an American tourist, isn’t worth anything to them.

      Rape? Assault? Remember the Aruban schoolgirl who was assaulted at school by her classmates AND by one or more adults? And the assaults were filmed on cell-phone cameras and put on the Internet? What happened there?

      NOTHING. Except, of course, the girl and her family decided to leave Aruba.

      If Aruba loses money, that’s one thing. If foreigners go missing there … hey, no problem, let’s have a few beers.

      Also interesting that this guy went to Florida. We all remember that the West Palm Beach tourist board hired the guy from Aruba Tourism Authority … and his qualifications? The way he “handled” the furor over Natalee Holloway.

      There seems to be some kind of nexus between Florida and Aruba.

    6. MissKatiekatie2u on March 4th, 2008 10:06 am

      if he was one of the little people.. and let’s assume he is.. than if so why would he have such power to pull some strings… im assuming daury as in pauulus?

    7. MissKatiekatie2u on March 4th, 2008 10:13 am

      if their only interest and focus is money.. than why are they not doing something about pauulus .. joran.. and the kalpoe brothers.. they are loosing thousands there… doesnt make sense .. anyways .. they are lazy ..they pick and choose who will go to jail for what crime was comitted.. you mentioned the school girl incident.. how can an island of people feel secure .. oviously knowing that they are realy not protected by the judicial system .. sucks.. to be them.. the laughing stock of the world.. with their kangerooo courts..

    8. MissKatiekatie2u on March 4th, 2008 10:19 am

      For all you serial killers and rapist that reside in the united stated: listen up!!!
      go to aruba.. kill and rape… to your heart’s desire.. aruba will not give alot of jail time..if any!!
      become a resident of the island first.. thats the catch… the perfect place to commit a crime …aruba
      and for a price they will even make evidence disappear…
      and for all you rebellious teens in america.. that think you have it bad at home.. parents to strict wont let you drink at a young age..
      move to aruba you can drink there!! as long as your old enough to say.. one rum and coke please!!! in aruba you do as you please…

    9. MissKatiekatie2u on March 4th, 2008 10:22 am

      oh dont forget if your old enough to crawl . you can carouse the casinos.. when your done there .. step on over to carlos and charlies… for your favorite drink and day rape drug… how cool is that..

    10. brie on March 4th, 2008 10:24 am

      Curious to know how many are in on that one. Remember Paulus’s trip to Miami.

    11. MissKatiekatie2u on March 4th, 2008 10:44 am

      fellow monkeys
      ya think that a large reward.. would cause someone to come foward.. i heard that there is a reward but its not confirmed as to how much.. it seems like money is the only way to get things done on that evil island.. someone have a comment. Richard..S.S Nocterum

    12. Carpe Noctem on March 4th, 2008 11:19 am

      Persona Non Greta.

      she just got a new puppy, he’s cute.

    13. Lotte Lenya on March 4th, 2008 11:36 am

      MissKatie, there’s some wild amount like 3 million out there in reward money from different sources. The thing is, all the peeps eligible to come forward with information and win the reward money will also go to jail if they do!

    14. Susan on March 4th, 2008 11:46 am

      Excellent idea, brie :-) Even trade!

    15. Miss-Underestimated on March 4th, 2008 12:17 pm

      That just sucks bigtime. The US has helped Aruba, but Aruba does not have the moral compass to help an American family whose daughter was murdered in Aruba?

      Oxymoron Aruba….moral compass.

      Hey Julia, when are you going to apologize? Natalee and her family deserve that from you. An apology.

      Hey Aruba, upon the request of the Americans requesting justice for Natalee Holloway, we are requesting you to arrest Joran Vandersloot, he admitted that Natalee was taken out to sea and dumped.

    16. MissKatiekatie2u on March 4th, 2008 12:19 pm

      lotte lenya
      you mean the kalpoe brothers.. and those involved?
      and wow.. lots of money… thanks lotte for the info..

    17. brie on March 4th, 2008 1:00 pm

      Hans turn Joran over to the US….The decent people of Aruba want the case solved, as Jossy says. The Dutch want the case solved, the Americans want the case solved. The corrupt judges and the corrupt Aruban authorities are in the way. So the case needs to be removed from their hands. Natalee was our American and we deserve to see justice served.

      GET ON WITH IT HANS! We did you a big favor!

    18. LilPuma on March 4th, 2008 1:31 pm

      Since the crime was committed in Aruba, I don’t think Joran could be brought up on charges in the U.S. If anyone knows differently, please post.

    19. txchic on March 4th, 2008 1:42 pm

      if nothing else the holloway case has proven aruba to be filled with self-centered jerks. why would they play fair?

      i’m betting the arubans will attempt to squeeze their money from the criminal & then dump him on another unsuspecting country. seems to be a pattern with them.

      clean up your own d@mned messes aruba!

    20. Vicki on March 4th, 2008 1:47 pm

      Is it me or do I SMELL A TROLL????

    21. A New Girl on March 4th, 2008 1:52 pm

      Where is Natalee??

      Where are Anita & Paulus?

      Where are the Kalpoes?

      Is Joran in a mental hospital or now hiding in Germany?

      Will there ever be ANY


    22. Miss-Underestimated on March 4th, 2008 2:08 pm


      Could it be Kelmal?
      SM: I don’t think so but I’ve been wrong before ;) (klaasend)

    23. Maggie on March 4th, 2008 2:26 pm

      Guess this guy didn’t have the proper coaching ahead of time to say he lied and that’s the truth.

      The sole purpose all along was to drag Natalee’s case out as long as it takes to get people to get tired of it and go away. They had no intentions of solving it, because some of them already know the who, why, how and where. When 1 talks they will all go down, that’s why they work so hard to keep them shut up and silent. Cover up, Cover up.. Biggest crime to hit the island, Oduber stays in Florida on vacation, don’t even come back for 2 or 3 days… 2 months later, the prosecutor, goes on a 2 week vacation to Holland, Oduber says he’s sick of this case, Croes wants to shut the mother up.. AHTA and Oduber has done nothing but whine about what Natalee’s case has done to Aruba, not what these 4 have done to Aruba and an American tourist family..To them it’s been Natalee who or that girl was only one person. It’s like they are saying people OWE them tourism dollars and they owe tourists nothing.

      3 guys go out at closing time target an intoxicated female and move in on her and she’s never seen again by anyone, anywhere..

      Watched a show on Dateline ID a female and her boyfriend moved in on one female.She thought the female was after her bf.. They took her to taco bell for lunch.. and they killed her in the parking lot.. her and her bf.. Then they called a friend who liked horror.. and they helped him cut her up and put the girl in bags.. was frozen out so they couldn’t bury her and so they dropped her in manhole in the middle of nowhere. They had to get rid of the body, due to the evidence on it. These were just high school students. Lied and said the girl talked to them got upset and stormed off at Taco Bell, but as usual..last ones seen with the girl, hide the body and the guy finally talked, tried to blame it on the girl and she blamed it on him..found guilty of murder..both of them.

    24. Lotte Lenya on March 4th, 2008 2:37 pm

      MissKatie…yeah, the Kalpoe boys, Joran, Freddy Zedan, and the rest of their gang including their date rape drug supplier, Paulus, the owner of the boat used to dump Natalee…and the list goes on. The minute one person rats on Joran it’s going to have a domino effect. Everyone had a role in this. For instance, even if the “rat” didn’t have anything to do with the murder, he supplied the drug or spiked the drink or took pictures or was part of the rape or drove the boat etc.. Everyone’s got something on everyone and nobody’s speaking because they know they’ll get charged with something.
      I’m not sure why they care though. It’s not like Aruba has very harsh punishments.

    25. Vicki on March 4th, 2008 2:57 pm

      Hey Miss U and klaas, it certainly does smell like them….perfuming the pigs

    26. kayjay on March 4th, 2008 4:39 pm

      I doubt is JVDS could be extradited and tried in the US. After all Beth did have him served a year or so ago in N.Y. and a US judge threw the case out and said it would have to be tried in Aruba.

    27. MissKatiekatie2u on March 4th, 2008 4:51 pm

      lotte lenya
      joran is a gangsta wanna be..he tried to impress patrick .. but his problem is his big mouth. and the attention he craves… he would get himself killed if he was dealing with mob people. im sure its probably stressing paul that his son runs at the mouth you ..his son FRANENSTEIN JR..doesnt know when to put a cork in it.
      as we assume ..
      with just cause Theres no doubt in our mind’s that. paul alias DAURY.. is involved with shady people.. why else would he have such pull and influence and able to pay people off. anyways im sure pauulus is concerned for his sons life.. because of : the shady people that pauulus does business with.. see if pauulus doesnt find a way to shut him up.. someone else will permanently silence him… and im sure pauulus is sweattting buckets…wouldnt you like to be a fly on the wall in that families home…wow … what overwhelming..dysfunctions lurks there…wonder if the other two sons are anything like joran… with a mother and father image like the vandersloots .. not much good comes out of that inviroment…………I am sure joran controls his parents and has for a very long time .. they fear him.. literaly….

    28. Richard on March 4th, 2008 5:00 pm

      MissKatie (#7, et. seq.) … That is exactly the question. Why are the reasons that Paulus, Joran, and crew can ride roughshod over the Aruba judicial system (if that’s what you want to call it) and the Aruban government?

      And why is it that the people of Aruba, rather than demand a solution, sit there cowed and whine and murmur about the Americans … if they do that much?

      It’s a mystery to me. But I’m not going to lose any sleep over the plight of the Aruban people, who are content to see their one golden goose … the tourist trade … go down the tubes.

      Aruba’s earned the reputation it has now. Let it steep in it … the moral stench won’t go away anytime soon. Just don’t let me hear them whining that it’s my fault for urging the boycott.

      Whose fault is it that we need to campaign for the boycott, scum? Something WE did? Uh-uh….

    29. Richard on March 4th, 2008 5:18 pm

      Maggie (#23) … Look on the bright side. At least the victim in that case didn’t have to eat lunch at Taco Bell.

    30. Carpe Noctem on March 4th, 2008 5:24 pm

      check this one out if u have a minute.

      YouTube Gets Slammed for Video Showing British Mom’s Gang Rape

    31. MissKatiekatie2u on March 4th, 2008 5:39 pm

      I agree.. the boycott must continue…the arubans think that we.. natalees voice… are just going to go away.. they do not know how strong wiled and determined we are …
      we will not go away as they so desire….
      just makes me wonder ….how many more missing people … are out in the sea… as a result of pauulus and joran… makes me wonder if pauulus and joran are involved in some type of ponography…why was pauulus at the casino sitting across from natalee that fatal night..
      im sure the kalpoe brothers are involved in it.. I think pauulus is the ring leader.. of some sort ya think richard

    32. Lotte Lenya on March 4th, 2008 5:57 pm

      MissKatie…I bet Paulus and Anita WET their PANTS when the DeVries tapes came out!! I bet Joran’s younger brothers HATE him. I bet his younger brothers’ are so SICK of EVERYTHING ALWAYS being about JORAN. I bet it’s been this way throughout their whole lives. I’m sure having Joran as a brother has been hell for these boys. Anita and Paulus should be brought up on child abuse and neglect charges and the younger brothers taken away and deprogrammed (if it’s not to late!).

      I’m curious if the Van Der Sloots promiscuous style of parenting is cultural or not?

    33. LilPuma on March 4th, 2008 6:05 pm

      “The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don’t do anything about it.” Albert Einstein

      Haven’t done any googling to verify that Einstein said this. I saw it in a sig line elsewhere, copied it and ran ran ran over here.

      Glad we could help, Aruba. Now clean up your police, prosecutor and judicial systems. That’s where the evidence is that you need to convict J2K. They did it as a favor to Paulus. In so doing, they committed a crime themselves. Go get ‘em. Go now. JUST DO IT.

    34. DEB on March 4th, 2008 6:13 pm

      this point just shows that US govt could have influence in solving this case and obtaining justice for Natalee if so inclined. i think we should have demonstrations in Washington or bombard washington dignitaries with calls

    35. Lotte Lenya on March 4th, 2008 6:13 pm


      “the Metropolitan Police have begun an investigation into the incident and three teenagers — two aged 16 and one aged 14 — have so far been questioned.”

      The teens have starring roles in the video yet they’ve only been questioned so far?? Hey! Is Aruba handling this case for the UK?

    36. LilPuma on March 4th, 2008 6:15 pm

      26. Kayjay. That was a civil case. If they can’t get a civil case handled in the U.S., I can’t imagine being able to arrest or try him on criminal charges. But people keep posting that they should let Joran be tried here, etc.

      Art Wood once said that if Aruba closes the case, the FBI could investigate. I assumed this meant that the FBI could investigate a missing persons case (missing American), but I don’t really know how since they could not go into Aruba to do it. Certainly they could talk to the MB teens and anyone close to the Sloots who turn up in Miami (or anywhere in the U.S.), but that’s about it. That’s why I’m asking if anyone understands if there’s anything the FBI can do. :-) I had a thought as I typed. If the FBI pulled together their info on this case, taken from statements they took, talked to Freddy and John Charles Croes in Florida, the Gottenbos’s in Georgia, then maybe they could ask Aruba to help them by getting statements from people in Aruba. Turn the tables. Don’t know if that would be legal, even if they were willing to, but it was a thought, especially since so many in Aruba cried about the answers being in Alabama.

    37. MY THOUGH on March 4th, 2008 6:48 pm

      lotte lenya:
      I am sure they were scrambling around looking for dry underwear. for themselves..haha..
      I bet the two other boys are embarassed to go to school or be seen in public.. wouldnt you… I heard that paaulus was busy trying to change their last names. alot of good that would do.. their faces are forever etched in the minds of the world. not to mention joran doesnt know how to keep his mouse shut.. he craves attention… and ya know lotte with … joran. its all about me … me… me
      and his parents feed into that … maybe for fear of him.. or maybe they just are permiscious parents.. maybe its just a cultural thing..
      I would be ashamed to have joran as a son. they spawned evil..not much has been said of the other boys..
      have you seen pictures of the other two?
      they dont seem to come out much…it seems like i read something at the scared moneys forum that promiscuity is a cultural thing of the dutch..
      They need to take those kids away from them is right lotte… at this point they probably wuld welcome joran being removed from their presence… after all the mess hes created.
      but than theres pauulus who is involved in some sort of crime .. and joran wanting to be so much like his daddy … hasnt learnt the first lesson… keep your mouth shut…
      Makes me wonder lotte ya think that aruba has .. CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES… (CHILD WELFARE)I doubt that.. they dont care what happends there.. they are out to tea… 24/7

    38. Lotte Lenya on March 4th, 2008 9:07 pm


      lol at ‘they’re out to tea’! I don’t think I’ve seen a picture of the younger brothers…actually, I may have seen one with Joran walking with his 2 brothers but I could just be having a false memory. I’m glad we don’t hear much about them. These boys have enough problems without being hounded by the media. Lord only knows what evil they’ve overheard their parents talking about regarding this case. I wonder if they’ve been interviewed by the police? As far as Aruba having a ‘child protective sevice agency’, Oh I’d say they do! Only it’s not the kind of child protection like we have here in the U.S!!

    39. WHITE KNIGHT on March 4th, 2008 9:11 pm


    40. WHITE KNIGHT on March 4th, 2008 9:30 pm

      paulus is in love with GUIDO

    41. WHITE KNIGHT on March 4th, 2008 9:36 pm

      It is obvious as the sky is blue that Aruba has refused to do anything nor will they do anything UNTIL – they are hit where it hurts.


    42. Richard on March 4th, 2008 10:50 pm

      Deb(#34) … I believe that a demonstration is planned in Washington for June, coinciding with a scheduled tourist promotion effort by Aruba Tourism Authority. For info, please contact

      I hope that those people in the area will be ready, willing, and able to take part. The rest of us will have to be content with cheering them on … and maybe advancing some financial help.

    43. kayjay on March 4th, 2008 11:27 pm

      26 LiP. It would be great if the FBI could investigate the case, but it has always seemed thay their hands were tied while those crooks in Aruba dragged their feet and have done everything they can to make the case fade away…I think part of their strategy is to keep on stonewalling under the pretense of “working on the case”, opening and closing it, and all the other stunts they pull. Frankly unless our Government gets involved I don’t see them ever bringing any of those perverted, evil people to justice. IMO all the judges who have heard the case so far are obviously crooked. The first prosecutor, was ino hand in glove or worse with PVDS and this one seems half baked and has a cat in hell’s chance of getting a conviction even if he wanted to, which frankly judging by his actions I very much doubt. He tipped his hand as far as I am concerned when he sympathised with JVDS when the threats were being made.
      Perhaps the Holloways have something up their sleeve..I hope, so because otherwise the Boycott is the only game in town.

    44. Ray on March 4th, 2008 11:40 pm

      A lesson for all ARUBANS, You can RAPE and KILL all the young TOURIST GIRLS you want, but don’t steal MONEY from the ARUBAN GOVT.


    45. Ray on March 5th, 2008 12:12 am

      is the lab that this aruban worked the same one that said the BONES found on the beach were ANIMAL,NOT HUMAN.


    46. Mr. G. on March 5th, 2008 4:32 am

      Thank God i can only be arrested for embezzling in aruba, lol. Take notes: woman are fair game; lieing is acceptable; shut up when asked; claim i was stoned for relief; throw shoes away; and the ultimate, ( its a big ocean ) ……just do not steal my money, or else…..
      I give up, where did people go wrong in their thinking? Common sense tells you when something is wrong, and it takes a brave person to admit the wrong and try and make it right. Im seeing there are no brave people on the island of aruba at all, so what to do, what to do, hum, oh gee, lol, the boycott is already in place and making an impact, so what more can we do to make it harder for a life on aruba, hum, lets see, OMG yes, more media exposer, lol, to the world, you have it already so lets improve on it. Aruba, Nationally how do you plan on convincing the world your island is safe for tourism. I so wanna hear this.. lol good luck, my company does the foreign exchange work program and we get a lot of the exchange students where I work, lol, another avenue for me to hammer your island. A place not to visit, lol. Bottom line is, we as a whole are gonna bring your island down to a homeless sand bar, unless you step up to the plate and start making your officials acountible for their actions. It can only help you in the long run and bring an inspiring young lady home to be laid to rest.There is nothing hidden here and its so straight forward, so make a decision……..

    47. Mr. G. on March 5th, 2008 4:57 am

      I may be slow, and not here a lot but rest assured, Natalee will have her justice, one way or another…..that you can count on. Everything I see going on is an inspiration to humanity from the american point of view. Those on the outside and far away, that feel the same way thank you, those who do not, Im sorry, you just do not know the love this young woman could of brought us in her lifetime.
      Boycott, Boycott, Boycott………..( Need Answers)

    48. brie on March 5th, 2008 5:39 am

      Paulus did a lot of damage to Joran many years ago….drug him around everywhere where he didn’t belong…the Sloot’s are greatly responsible for the behavior of Joran…

    49. Vicki on March 5th, 2008 7:09 am

      Mr G #47- Thank you for expressing your feelings…Natalee hhas brought alot of LOVE even though she isnt here…She has touched so many ppl…she is truely an angel from God…

    50. MissKatiekatie2u on March 5th, 2008 10:04 am

      i totaly agree… pauulus was the main source of jorans dysfunction… i can see what a horrible parent he was… as for anita she went along with everything pauulus said.. shes programmed like one of the stepford wives…a puppet..
      pauulus is a pervert… i still think he is trafficking porno among other things.. he was seen sitting across from natalie at the casino.. probably stalking her and setting up the scenario for the night with his son.. dont think.. there hasnt been father and son teams that kill and pervert.. there was a book i read a while back about a man and his sons whom used to target women and.. kill them.. the book was called.. the shoe maker i think… it was a true story…he had a shoe shop and was of german descent i believe…
      I have a question ????????????? SOMEONE PLEASE ANSWER THIS..
      do you think that pauulus and his puppet wife .. are keeping up with all the news.. hey richard … what do u think…

    51. LilPuma on March 5th, 2008 10:19 am

      I believe there will be justice for Natalee, and we’ve seen and heard how surprised Arubans have been at the response to this case in America. Why? Many Americans have disappeared or died and not gotten justice or answers from foreign governments. But it took a beautiful girl like Natalee, a strong and determined mother like Beth and the quiet confidence and strength of a father named Dave to bring these cases to the forefront, get people to notice and get involved. Don’t take our money if you won’t take care of us. Whether it’s a Canadian in Mexico, a woman in Jamaica or Bermuda, anyone on a cruise ship or a woman in a bar in Aruba, Americans (and Canadians) need to let the world know that if they want our hard-earned money, they will have to take crimes against us seriously, investigate and prosecute them honestly and aggressively. Don’t count on us going home and keeping quiet. If you do, you’ll have a monkey on your back; perhaps several. :-) You won’t like it.

    52. LilPuma on March 5th, 2008 10:24 am

      50. MissKatie. I think Paulus and Anita do keep up with the news. The site meter here shows a big surge in visitors from Aruba and The Netherlands when there’s news on this case. If they don’t listen or read themselves, they have friends and family who do.

    53. MissKatiekatie2u on March 5th, 2008 10:25 am

      lotte #38
      I just dont get it…
      aruba has lost so much money and is continuing to do so.. they just dont care.. maybe im out to tea also” but it doesnt make sense.. that if the vandersloots are so hated on the island.. why do they have so much control over the judicial system..pauulus is deep into alot of illegal be able to manipulate their legal system..
      I think some where down the line their luck will run out..
      joran sure has been quiet.. nothing seen or heard of him.. maybe his dad stuck him in a nut ward and told the shrinks to eith labotomize him or keep him sedated…like a vegetable…

    54. Amsterdam 020 on March 5th, 2008 10:27 am


      Are you stoned or something?

    55. MissKatiekatie2u on March 5th, 2008 10:27 am

      i meant to say either..
      like a vegetable state haha.. a carrot .. limp when it gets old

    56. MissKatiekatie2u on March 5th, 2008 11:24 am

      you sure have a small vocabulary..
      stoned? no… and you?

    57. qwerty on March 5th, 2008 1:12 pm

      Tonight Beth,Patrick and Peter are in Jensen show on Dutch tv.
      Jensen will also make a phone call to Joran using Patricks cell phone.

    58. MissKatiekatie2u on March 5th, 2008 1:41 pm

      You think that joran will actualy respond.. after.. all the mess he thinks they created for him.. interesting that they would attempt the way qwerty ?
      who is jensen?

    59. Sharon Chicago on March 5th, 2008 2:06 pm

      #57… That is awesome… ha ha … paging Joran Vandernut … Wonder if Joran is expecting this call and he wants to talk “some more”?????

    60. Sharon Chicago on March 5th, 2008 2:10 pm

      Wonder if anyone taps into Koen and family here in the states? Anyone following him around sniffing for information? I hope so!

    61. Amsterdam020 on March 5th, 2008 2:56 pm

      @ miss katie,

      you are writing like you ate too many magic mushrooms or something.

      trafficking porn..a book you read…puppet wife..vegables…

      Anyways; Robert Jensen is a Dutch talkshow host of a semi funny late night show. Beth has been there before. Check

    62. misskatiekatie2u.. ALIAS MY THOUGHTS on March 5th, 2008 4:21 pm

      AMSTER HAMSTER :) thanks for the info..IM JUST HIGH ON LIFE

    63. misskatiekatie2u.. ALIAS MY THOUGHTS on March 5th, 2008 4:31 pm

      The program is in english.. duh…

    64. qwerty on March 5th, 2008 5:28 pm

      #57 #58
      Joran answered the phone saying his name, but that was all.

    65. MY THOUGH on March 5th, 2008 6:51 pm

      just what i thought qwerty

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