Disgracing Natalee Holloway … This is not Art, its F@#$ing SICK!!!


The following story was e-mailed to us, please keep in mind that the picture if graphic and in such poor taste that we will not post it on Scared Monkeys. This will get your blood boiling. 

There is a fine line between are and a special reserved spot in hell. Dutch artists Van Jole  (see correction below) not only crossed it, be shattered it. He thinks its OK to put forth the following picture of a deceased Natalee Holloway. See the pic HERE, please be warned it’s not pretty … in fact its heinous. (Note, we are still trying to determine if the name place holder nest to the arm of the individual is different that the one by her feet. In any event, even if there was something else below, the point has already been made.)


Go to Geenstijl.nl to read more and see comments from the Dutch.

UPDATE I (Correction) : A little FYI: Van Jole is not the artist. He’s just the guy that took the pictures and posted them on Flickr. The ‘artists’ are the people from art gallery ‘Roodkapje’ (Little Red Riding Hood) in Rotterdam. (Hat Tip: Schop)

We received an email from Van Jole is says as follows. Correction has been made to initial post.

It’s a picture I took during an art manifestation

It is not my opinion or work

kind regards


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  • Comments

    102 Responses to “Disgracing Natalee Holloway … This is not Art, its F@#$ing SICK!!!”

    1. Schop on March 3rd, 2008 7:49 am

      A little FIY: Van Jole is not the artist. He’s just the guy that took the pictures and posted them on Flickr. The ‘artists’ are the people from art gallery ‘Roodkapje’ (Little Red Riding Hood) in Rotterdam.

    2. JusticeforNatalee on March 3rd, 2008 7:50 am

      I refuse to look at the pic.

      I wonder if it’s better to tell this loser off or just ignore him.

      Jerks like this like attention and controversy.

    3. ShrinkingMonk on March 3rd, 2008 8:02 am

      I agree, it is NOT ART! At least in my eyes. However, I think the person on the slab is suppose to be Urine Van of Poop…JVDS, I mean. One of the slides shows the sign, Violence is temporary but truth is eternal. I think the sign N. Holloway was more a message of serving JDVS on a slab for her. Just my take on it.

    4. buster on March 3rd, 2008 8:13 am

      I clearly do not get it ??? The body is clearly a guy ??? Is it urin ???

    5. Bob on March 3rd, 2008 8:19 am

      And the hit list grows:

      1. Joran van der Sloot

      2. Aruba Tourism

      3. Van Jole

      Hey, no problem, the $hit list has plenty room. Each one listed will be dealt with in due time.

    6. bleachedblack on March 3rd, 2008 8:23 am

      It’s just plain stupid! The subject is a dude! Stupid……

    7. JusticeforNatalee on March 3rd, 2008 8:30 am

      To complain to Flickr:

    8. LilPuma on March 3rd, 2008 8:39 am

      The concept is definitely sick, but in all honesty, when I pulled up the pick it just looked like a guy laying there in his briefs. This kind of sick humor (a/k/a humour) should be reserved for killers and pedophiles and terrorists, not victims.

    9. walrus on March 3rd, 2008 8:42 am


    10. EURobert on March 3rd, 2008 8:47 am

      Well, Van Jole is not the artist. It’s an old thing between the site GeenStijl.nl and Van Jole. They m.o.l. hate each other.

      Geenstijl posted that ‘news’ on their site because they know you all will be outraged and go to Van Jole who made pictures of it. But GeenStijl.nl themselves are champions in posting tastles stuff on their site.

      The ‘artwork’ was shown on Rotterdam Museumnight 2008; don’t know who the artist is that made this ‘art’.


    11. Jacl on March 3rd, 2008 9:01 am

      That Van Jole is a well known extreme leftwing journalist in Holland.

    12. EURobert on March 3rd, 2008 9:05 am

      Forgot to say: GeenStijl.nl is p•ssed at Van Jole because this weekend he said on Dutch tv that GeenStijl.nl was racist. So by this there just taking him back.

      A year ago another tv host said something bad about GeenStijl.nl so GeenStijl.nl placed an BIG article with BIG photo’s, telling the tv-host that morning had died in a car accident. So for a whole day long the NL’s really thought that guy had deceased.

    13. Lotte Lenya on March 3rd, 2008 9:18 am

      Hmmm…how would Dr. Hodges “Thoughtprints” explain Van Jole’s art?

      1. Using Natalee Holloway as an art subject, Van Jole is really saying to us that it’s unfair that a murdered young girl should get more attention then ME! He sees Natalee as an important person and thinks that if he can attach himself to her then maybe he’ll be important also. He’s also acknowledging that he’s nothing more then a wannabe artist who has to resort to ‘shock art’ in order to get his 15 minutes of fame.

      2. The art subject’s dirty blackened feet represent Van Jole’s unhappy, dark childhood. He’s letting you know that his mother didn’t care about him the way Beth cares about Natalee. He’s saying to us, “My mother didn’t love me. She treated me like dirt under her feet”

      3. Van Jole positions his art subject on their stomach rather then their back as an expression of his low self esteem and poor body image. He’s telling us that he has a very small penis and he doesn’t want anyone to see.

    14. mishy on March 3rd, 2008 9:47 am

      It is obviously not supposed to be Natalee in this pic, therefore I will not post anything on that site in protest…

    15. brie on March 3rd, 2008 9:48 am

      That is a guy, if you look closely you can see the hair on his legs….still, that was done in very poor taste…a real insult to our famous artists in the world….

    16. Lotte Lenya on March 3rd, 2008 10:08 am

      @ EURobert

      Can you tell us why Van Jole took the picture and what he was trying to explain?

    17. Lauren on March 3rd, 2008 10:09 am

      Is this maybe an expression of joran and what his involvement in Natalee’s death has created? ie. joran is… ( or will be soon) dead because of natalee…? I dont know? the dirty feet correlating to the missing shoes?

    18. DutchJournalist on March 3rd, 2008 10:10 am

      Van Jole is not an artist. Van Jole a simple but extremely pretentious journalist posing as “Internet specialist” or “New Media specialist”. GeenStijl regularly makes fun of his arrogant attitude.
      Van Jole is a just a clueless n00b, stupid enough to make and post these photos in support of the event (by a third party), GeenStijl attacked him as if he organised it. Following GeenStijl’s post, Jole is now trying to disassociate himself from the event, and attacking GeenStijl.

    19. December_star on March 3rd, 2008 10:11 am

      I never was very good at interpreting art, so I don’t get it. As others have said the prone person clearly is a man, and he has dirty feet. It seems to me like they are trying to portray Joran as the victim, and condemn him at the same time?!! Yeah I really don’t get it.

    20. bobbie on March 3rd, 2008 10:15 am

      Art my a$$! This is…I don’t even have words for it. But what poor, poor taste. I was thinking that maybe all the dutch are this f**ked up and heartless, but the comments below the picture show that no one else thinks it’s funny.

      Number #13, that is a good take!

    21. mojo on March 3rd, 2008 10:16 am

      and you’re giving him just what he wants….publicity. how foolish.

    22. benh on March 3rd, 2008 10:21 am

      cant tell if its a man or woman,but if its a man its probaly because he could not find a woman to sink so low.

    23. Ruud on March 3rd, 2008 10:41 am

      Geenstijl is mostly a bunch of loonatic and anonymous press-hacks. Jole is a nice guy off camera, but a total mess on. Though his program is OK by Dutch standards. This artsy work is an artists prank as there was an Aruban party in the building during this event. Ah well. Poor artists making a buck. Even Karel Appel said “I mess around”.

    24. glad2bAmerican on March 3rd, 2008 10:42 am

      this is not talent just exploiting a tragedy to get attention. Sick humor..no comment needed that he could thrive on. That is what he wants recognition. Sorry sicko!

    25. Richard on March 3rd, 2008 10:49 am

      EURobert, thanks for giving us the Dutch background on the participants in this.

      I have not looked at the image and do not intend to. Whatever it may be … let’s remember that in this country, serial killer John Wayne Gacy not only produced “art” in jail, but apparently there was demand for it.

      (He also was photographed with Rosalyn Carter, in recognition for his campaigning for the Democrats, but it was deemed politically incorrect to allude to that.)

      Anyway, I’d rather acclaim the many Dutch artists who deserve recognition than give my time to anyone who abuses decency. I agree with the posters up above … clicking on the Web site will only give this person more acclaim.

      Now, let’s see those Dutch who are truly outraged at the travesty of justice in Aruba join us in urging for a boycott. THAT would be a statement that would be worthwhile!

    26. EURobert on March 3rd, 2008 10:49 am

      # 16 Lotte

      Holloway, Bijltjesdag (=literally: axes-day; something like ‘revenge-day’)

      During the MuseumNight Roodkapje-gallery had a theme-night under the title Absurdistan. Everything there was to see, had to do with the Holloway case. In the showcase was a boy that played the corpse of Natalee Holloway, somewhat further women could have taken their picture with Joran van der S. and downstairs in the basement was an Aruban party.
      I did not know so well what I had to think of it. Inexpensive and tasteless were the first thoughts but, as often happens in this type of art that’s often the intention. It is about you being caught on your own thoughts.
      When leaving I saw that on the wall a movie was projected at Bijltjesdag. Women who had in the war had something with a German soldier after the liberation by a revengfull crowd were shaven bald. That shaving happened often by people who never had resisted during the war but seized their chance to pretend to be heroes when the danger had been averted. They got on to those who could not defend themselves.
      I found that association tasteless as well. What do those two topics on earth have to do with one another? Ok, in the Holloway case you may see that same principle of a mob having their own court but that connection was to far-fetched I found.
      This morning the weblog Geenstijl.nl opened the attack with a hypothetical open letter to the mother of Natalee Holoway. That letter was merely intended as an attack on me. Geenstijl for a long time wants to take me back because they publicly challenged me in 2004 for a TV debate and then left the stage beaten. For nearly four years they try to revenge. ?An additional reason was that I Friday in ‘De Leugen Regeert’ (The Lie Rules) (see below) called into question have the fact that the government cooperates with Geenstijl. (In an advertorial to recrute new soldiers.)
      So Geenstijl as usual placed a fictional story – (“We already asked the Van Jole asshole to remove the pictures.”) – But a significant part of their readers see what they write now once as genuine. They are those types that like to believe what they already thought. Telegraaf-readers it was called in the old days, now they are the Geenstijl visitors.
      Then there burst a tidal wave of hatred loose. All people who do not know what they read, who do not have a faint idea what it is about but who just judge and who like to let us know how good they are.
      Suddenly I understood the intention of Little Red Riding Hood and the gallery Holloway art a lot better.

      Photo: A girl tries to escape her predators. Retrieved from the book “Who is to be shaved must sit quiet, the dating of Dutch girls with German soldiers” ?Monika Diederichs, Uitgeverij Boom, 2006.

    27. michelle on March 3rd, 2008 10:50 am

      i think the time has come we boycott holland.

    28. EURobert on March 3rd, 2008 10:51 am

      Oops, forgot to say…
      Translation of the article on the site of Van Jole
      Rudimentary transl.: Google and me.

    29. rightknight on March 3rd, 2008 10:55 am

      Due to it’s lax laws, Holland produces many listless, drug-addled slugs posing as ‘artists’.

    30. brie on March 3rd, 2008 10:55 am

      That’s got to be…one starving artist

      I heard Jossy say that Joran is staying with his uncle in Germany. Joran’s is getting his whole family involved in his trouble. Pretty soon he’s going to run out of relatives. Hiding out until things calm down…does he really think that is going to happen….someone will track down where the uncle lives….

    31. MissKatiekatie2u on March 3rd, 2008 11:07 am

      clearly this was a male…. i think it represented joran… not natalee.. sick twisted mind that would try to gain notoriety thru these methods…not worth raising ones blood pressure… stupid…

    32. Richard on March 3rd, 2008 11:22 am

      Compared with the REAL travesty in Aruba, this hardly amounts to a tempest in a teapot, in my belief. Let’s concentrate our fire on Aruba.

    33. longjack on March 3rd, 2008 11:51 am



      EURobert is apparently translating what Van Jole wrote. He is not speaking in the first person.

      EURobert, thanks for the work you did translating. I just want to make sure no one thinks you are writing about yourself.

      I was confused myself, at first.

    34. Rocky on March 3rd, 2008 11:57 am

      it is obviously a photo of a man in man’s underwear. What are they trying to prove?

    35. kayjay on March 3rd, 2008 12:09 pm

      Yes the suspect is in Germany with his Uncle, according to Jossy. Perhaps as a public service to the Germans we should post some info on German websites about the evil pervert and his preference for young blond frauleins….anyone speak German???
      Next country JVDS????????

    36. Vicki on March 3rd, 2008 12:23 pm

      SHAME ON THOSE PIGS….BETH ON DUTCH TV TONIGHT…anyone in THE ST. LOUIS AREA FOR SUNDAY the 9th the roaches will be out….

    37. Lotte Lenya on March 3rd, 2008 12:26 pm


      Thank you very much for the translation. Jole’s opinion of the art show was interesting for a minute but I think it was short sighted to say the least.

      “…in the Holloway case you may see that same principle of a mob having their own court… ”

      “Then there burst a tidal wave of hatred loose. All people who do not know what they read, who do not have a faint idea what it is about but who just judge and who like to let us know how good they are.”

      If I’m understanding the translation correctly (and I may not be), I’m wondering if Jole bothered to ask any of the producers of the art exhibit or the patrons that came to see it what their knowledge of the Holloway case is other then the fact the Americans are angry.

      It seems to me an important question if your going to make a public statement regarding the validity of the message behind an art exhibit.

      I’d say to Jole that his quote above, “…the tidal wave of hatred…” be re-directed towards the self-serving producers of the exhibit. Shame on their propaganda and shame on Jole for getting caught in it.

    38. katablog on March 3rd, 2008 12:46 pm

      The “artwork” is clearly suppose to be Joran, dead. The N. Holloway sign is merely to give you a clue as to who the dead person is. The dirty feet depict Joran, who lost his shoes and walked home. It’s actually suppose to be “clever”.

      Since I’m not into vigilantly justice, I don’t appreciate it because I take it as a death threat to Joran.

    39. txchic on March 3rd, 2008 1:21 pm

      the netherlands has a long history of government subsidized “artists” (or that’s what they call themselves).

      they have tons of so called “art” in storage that sane people wouldn’t buy so the government steps in to help their starving artists.

      this kind of crap will keep occurring until the citizens of the netherlands stand up to their government. i can sling some dog dung onto a canvas & call it art but at the end of the day it’s still dog dung.

      it’s not controversial, it’s only juvenile crap. i’d hate to think that i were so untalented that i’d have to stoop to cheap antics to get my name mentioned.

    40. Bob on March 3rd, 2008 1:34 pm

      Yes indeed. If the intent was to pi$$ off decent people, it was fairly successful. It’s actually a prime example and a reason for Monkeys to join up and attend the various Travel Show Protests of Aruba as they come up in your local areas.

      Crap like this gets the blood boiling, and helps the decision making process to join protests. So, thank you for displaying this piece of trash – it did have value afterall.


    41. Dar on March 3rd, 2008 2:20 pm

      here is what I see:

      A piece of Paper with “Natalee’s” name on it and a male laying face down on a wooden dance floor with filty feet in his BVD’s.

      What I got was:

      Natalee’s gonna take down a filty, disgusting male…that ’caused her death and she is going to do it through us in her name…..

    42. Schop on March 3rd, 2008 2:20 pm

      Again, Van Jole is not the artist, just a reporter that posted the pictures he took of the ‘artwork’.

      For all those questioning the Aruban justice system: there has been a trial, and there was not enough evidence to convict Van Der Sloot, just like often happens in cases like this in the US. So before we start talking about boycots and stuff like that, let’s try to do it right in our own country. Over the years, The Netherlands have proved that they understand exactly what democracy and justice is about.

    43. MissKatiekatie2u on March 3rd, 2008 2:22 pm

      that makes perfect sense.. your interpetation … i can see clearly now.. that it is supposed to be joran.. interesting..

    44. Carpe Noctem on March 3rd, 2008 2:25 pm

      Is it just me… or are his feet filthy?

      He really needs to put on a warm pair of

      socks, he’s going to catch pneumonia running

      around like that!

      Justice 4 Natalee!

    45. Lotte Lenya on March 3rd, 2008 2:35 pm

      #38 @ Kat…

      If I’m understanding Eurobert’s translation correctly, the whole Holloway exhibit is making fun of the way “we’ve” blindly convicted Joran for this crime. It’s saying that we’re ignorant followers with a mob mentality. That we don’t really know why we want to convict Joran but being a part of the ‘mob’ makes us feel important.
      It’s really quite offensive.

    46. Richard on March 3rd, 2008 2:57 pm

      Lotte Lenya (#45) … That reading is interesting, considering that just days ago we were told that Joran is “in fear of his life” and that angry mobs were out looking for him.

      Sounds like there’s quite a schism between the “artistic elite” and the regular people.

      But actually, it just sounds to me like more cheap words. Yapping, nonstop. Just like what we heard about how outraged Aruba was at Joran’s tapes … well, if anyone down there is taking the lead in trying to raise money for the Persistence, I don’t know of it.

    47. Boycott Aruba on March 3rd, 2008 3:31 pm

      alittle off the beaten path. The deep water search needs money. Maybe Oprah is up to the task. Why not ask http://www2.oprah.com/email/email_landing.jhtml

    48. Richard on March 3rd, 2008 4:01 pm

      Meanwhile, back to the fight … here’s a letter I wrote to Valero today, after a talk on phone:

      March 3, 2008

      Ms. Sylvia Rodriguez
      Manager, Community Relations
      Valero Oil Co.
      1 Valero Way
      San Antonio, TX 78249

      Dear Ms. Rodriguez:

      Thank you for our telephone conversation of today, to which this letter is a follow-up. As we discussed, I am writing to urge that Valero consider donating money to Texas Equusearch to help it continue searching the waters offshore Aruba for the remains of Natalee Holloway. I have no personal affiliation with, or other ties to, Texas Equusearch.

      It seems clear that an American-based company with operations in Aruba has an interest in promoting good bilateral relations. Since the disappearance of Natalee in May 2005, the reputation of Aruba has been tarnished by the seeming inability, or lack of desire, of its government to take effective action in this case. Many persons believe that elements of that government and its law enforcement have participated in a cover-up to destroy evidence and to prevent the prosecution of certain local residents last seen with Natalee.

      In consequence, a movement to boycott tourism to Aruba has been gaining strength. Nelson Oduber, prime minister of that country, in January said on Dutch television that Aruba already has lost tens of millions of dollars in tourist revenue owing to this case.

      So far, American generosity, American volunteers, and American determination have achieved searches on land and in the ocean. The latter have been suspended owing to lack of money; however, the searchers are convinced that they have successfully mapped the ocean floor and identified every possible location where her remains might be. If you call Texas Equusearch at 281-309-9500, they can certainly provide more information.

      Here is where Valero can play a role. It is in the interest of ordinary Aruban citizens, as well as Natalee’s grieving family, to find answers. Texas Equusearch now seems best equipped to provide them. Helping this group is not a partisan activity, or interference in foreign relations, but an action of decency and compassion. I have donated to them as I am able; were you to do likewise, it would be hailed by all those who seek simple justice.



    49. always 1 on March 3rd, 2008 4:39 pm

      oprah might have a conflict of interest since American Airlines is one of her sponsers and doesnt American fly to Aruba?????

    50. always 1 on March 3rd, 2008 4:41 pm

      and Richard, you have a real talent for writing…

    51. LilPuma on March 3rd, 2008 5:00 pm

      Go to a gallery opening, drink some wine and talk about the paintings. You will find that art is what you think it is. It’s what it means to you, not so much the artist. I think it’s in poor taste, but I’ve seen some pretty bizarre stuff from artists of many countries at different shows. Don’t go much anymore; I prefer Monet and his type more as I age. (gracefully?)

      I’d go with #17. Lauren’s take on it — Natalee Holloway taking down JVDS.

      I agree with Richard that we should stay focused on the corrupt officials in Aruba.

      Thank you, EURobert, as always.

    52. viet vet on March 3rd, 2008 5:02 pm

      I looked at the “art” and it sends the message, “this art exhibit makes about as much sense as Aruba’s justice system”. Both are hard to understand, make no sense, and no one can explain what they really stand for. Meanwhile Joran is in the Fatherland hiding, from whom and what, I don’t know. Maybe himself. Good news is the Germans do know how to handle such an undesirable.

    53. maryd on March 3rd, 2008 5:16 pm

      Oprah is like most of the wealthy people in this country they like incoming revenue better than outgoing. If it’s true she makes 350,000,000. a year that means she makes almost 1 million a day. Can she afford to give a days pay to this cause, I guess only if it interests her. How about Donald Trump, Bill Gates, Bloomberg,etc. etc. BILLIONAIRS.

    54. txchic on March 3rd, 2008 5:35 pm

      excellent work richard!!!

    55. Lotte Lenya on March 3rd, 2008 6:02 pm

      Richard, you really do know how to write a darn good letter!

      Do you think you could write a form letter of sorts that we can all send to the many Intercontinental Hotels Group/Holiday Inn corporate headquarters located around the world. Maybe you could say something like how we’re going to boycott their 3000+ hotels due to the negligence of Aruba’s Holiday Inn in the Natalee Holloway case and how a significant donation to Persistence might be able to change our minds…or something like that?

    56. Carpe Noctem on March 3rd, 2008 6:19 pm

      They ***might have a DIRTY FOOT to stand on


      ‘JORAN OF OF THE HINEY’ theory…



      …they would never allow J. & the KILL-POES

      to have their FAIR DAY IN COURT!

      What else was Natalee’s family to do?

      Can we list off some

      alternative options




    57. Carpe Noctem on March 3rd, 2008 6:29 pm


      “Aruba already has lost tens of millions of dollars in tourist revenue owing to this case.”

      Right Richard, and remember that’s NELSEY’S calculator, which was produced right at the end of World War 2… it takes up the footprint of a large walk-in closet, and it is directly hard-wired into the Arubian electrical grid.

      Every sum that gets spit out of it in the

      end needs to be multiplied times

      approximately >SEVEN! ;)


      Great work on all the letters,
      Richard. You do make a big

    58. longjack on March 3rd, 2008 6:30 pm

      # 52 viet vet

      Natalee’s story wasn’t in the news much in Germany. DeVries’s television show was written about, however, primarily because of the astonishing percentage of viewers it drew.

      The Germans have a fascination with news of Royalty in other European countries. When DeVries worked on the Princess Mabel incident it received a lot of coverage in Germany and made Devries famous there.

      My opinion is that Joran Van der Sloot, being a DeVries target, will be assumed to be guilty if he does something to arouse the interest of the German populace.

      The Germans are a orderly group when out socializing and won’t tolerate any boisterous outbursts.

      In other words, if he pulls his ‘macho’ act in a disco or pub it won’t take long for the Germans to put 2 + 2 together.

      I am looking more closely at the German search engines for any news, and I will let you guys know if anything comes up.

    59. katablog on March 3rd, 2008 6:52 pm

      First, I made a very generous donation to Equusearch for the Persistence Team and several times urged others to do the same on my blog, but until I find out why they just posted inside the cage and didn’t bother to tell the rest of us they were up and going – I won’t be doing any more fund raising. I’m confused and very frustrated. There are several arubans now that must know where their dive targets are. It’s like Dompig pointing to the dunes and then allowing months to go by without searching them.

      the “artwork”: I would take what is written to be about the Dutch mob mentality that sent Joran into hiding. I don’t think this picture is about America at all. I think you are are getting upset with the dutch about nothing – but a stupid threat towards Joran and a comment on the mob mentality that went after him.

      If my take on the “artwork” is wrong, then it’s a stupid comment because it was the Dutch that sent Joran running for his life. It would be like the pot calling the kettle black.

      Carpe: of course his feet are filthy. He walked all that way home!

    60. notgiven on March 3rd, 2008 7:27 pm

      I think the only thing I see is a freak completely unworthy of my attention.

      Carrying on…

    61. MY THOUGH on March 3rd, 2008 8:11 pm

      your letter to valero was well written.. you have an advantage and ability to express your thughts well.. thank you .. if theres anything i can do besides continue my donations to equasearch..

    62. Bob on March 3rd, 2008 8:13 pm

      ………and have we entertained the notion that….Persistence was indeed successful afterall? Is it possible that ‘something’ was in fact raised from the deep? Is is feasible to assume what was raised was flown to the States for examination and dating? Are the scientists at Quantico, Va. studying something? Perhaps we will hear something beyond blockbusting shortly. Beth’s unusual silence is deafening. Nothing shocks or surprises me anymore, but still causes shivers from time to time.

    63. Patti on March 3rd, 2008 8:48 pm

      I agree with Michelle (#27)

      Turn up the Boycott against the Netherlands,

      they shouldn’t have allowed Joran to leave

      their country. They have looked the other

      way for over 2 years and have tried to put

      the blame, totally, on Aruba; with no concept

      of what it means to have an Arawak Nation

      encouraging unsuspecting visitors from the

      United States and other Christian Nations. The

      actions of Aruba and inaction of The Netherlands

      has resulted in the biggest fiasco in recent

      history. The Netherlands needs to decide if it

      is on the side of Justice or of tyranny.

      The Dutch allowed Aruba its’ independence,

      perhaps to wash their hands of the status it

      currently holds with the State Department,

      while it continues to support Aruba in the

      injustice that has been committed against

      Natalee. They cannot have it both ways.

      You’re either part of the solution or

      you’re part of the problem.

      They have still to release the findings to their

      own investigation in Aruba, but choose to remain

      silent, embracing their son, Aruba.



    64. Scared Monkeys on March 3rd, 2008 8:50 pm

      UPDATE I (Correction) : A little FIY: Van Jole is not the artist. He’s just the guy that took the pictures and posted them on Flickr. The ‘artists’ are the people from art gallery ‘Roodkapje’ (Little Red Riding Hood) in Rotterdam. (Hat Tip: Schop)

      We received an email from Van Jole is says as follows. Correction has been made to initial post.

      It’s a picture I took during an art manifestation

      It is not my opinion or work

      kind regards

    65. Patti on March 3rd, 2008 8:54 pm


      I heard through the grapevine that Natalee was found a long time ago in a cage, 100′ below the surface. They said that there were body parts that were missing and that she was flown out of the area, to the U.S., for forensics.

      I hope it’s true.

    66. A New Girl on March 3rd, 2008 8:57 pm


      Are you smoking crack?


    67. Bama Mom on March 3rd, 2008 9:27 pm

      I feel sick! My heart breaks once again for Natalee’s parents! I pray that God provides a way for them to have closure and that justice will be served. I still believe that the deepest, darkest, hottest parts of hell are reserved for individuals who do these crimes.


      The article below was posted on the Texas Equusearch website:

      Update: Mon 03-March 1345 hrs
      With the sonar search completed, the RV Persistence sets sail heading to its home port in Louisiana. With mixed emotions, the search team returns home. When we arrived in Aruba in mid-December we were mentally prepared to return home either having found Natalee, or after having exhausted all possibilities in the quest to find her. It is difficult going home with many questions left unanswered and so many sonar targets remaining to be explored. Our comfort lies in knowledge that we have done the best job we could, that we can return to dive on the remaining targets when funded, and that answers may come in time. We feel that the search is not over but rather entering a new phase. We are thankful for the outpouring of generosity, love, support, and prayers throughout the entire search effort.

    68. WHITE KNIGHT on March 3rd, 2008 9:45 pm


      anita knows the truth

    69. Carpe Noctem on March 3rd, 2008 10:00 pm

      It’s almost been a full three years now!

      I’m pretty sure now than ever, more people
      are choosing to stand with “THE GIRL.”


      I’m just sayin’…

    70. katablog on March 3rd, 2008 10:35 pm

      Carpe: Every time I see one of your You Tube montages I just want to weep. Seeing Natalee and then Beth, how much the look alike, knowing how much Dave and Beth have suffered, how much they loved Natalee and knowing they never see her again.

    71. WHITE KNIGHT on March 3rd, 2008 10:41 pm

      when joran was talkign with patrick and joran said he threw the shoes away..well well well

      now, hwo is that supposed to impress patrick ?

      it doesnt impress anyone nor could it..

      its because most of everything joran told was the truth except a few little details about who helped him

      why throw the shoes away ??

    72. Richard on March 3rd, 2008 10:54 pm

      Thanks for the good wishes, folks. I think that in the absence of any evidence to the contrary, we have to assume that the Persistence has been unable to locate Natalee’s remains so far.

      Was her body, in fact, dumped in the ocean? I can’t say. The crew of the Persistence maintain that they have mapped out every place that she could have been, and that her remains MUST be in one of 150 or so containers that they have plotted out.

      In other words, if we are hearing the truth, and if this is accurate, “all” that remains is a process of checking these objects and either confirming or denying.

      If the search is completed and doesn’t succeed?
      Then I guess we will be forced to conclude that, indeed, the water story is untrue. God only knows. But I believe that the job should be finished.

      It’s possible that something is in the works that we don’t know. But as I say, we have as yet no reason to believe it. If they were checking on a find and didn’t want to say anything about it, yes or no, then I think they would be honest with us, and with the family, to that extent.

      Let’s do what we can to get this part of the job done. I’ve always said … IF Natalee’s remains are in the ocean, then may God grant that they be discovered. Since the Persistence is “the only show in town,” let’s do what we can to ensure that its mission is completed.

      Natalee’s family deserves no less.

    73. Patti on March 4th, 2008 12:21 am

      The art does make a statement, perhaps two:

      1 – That the message is getting out. The truth
      about Natalee


      2 – That Joran should pay…

      It encourages vigil ante justice.

      It would be nice to see Ma and Pa Van der Sloots come to know the pain of losing a child, perhaps the worse pain of them all…

      and then…

      Justice against Aruba – The fall of a Nation.

      * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *


      Crack is something that you sit on.

      How would you SMOKE it?


      * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

    74. da_wench on March 4th, 2008 12:35 am

      I usually read posts and then add my own comments. Today I’ll comment first. I think most monkeys have read my posts and know how I feel about Natalee and and those who orchestrated her disappearance and the cover-up that followed. Many of us here feel we are standing up for her and the family’s right to justice. That being said, I honestly don’t see what the big deal is over the photograph or the display itself. It is clearly a man with dirty feet in whitey tighties wearing an orange curly wig. There is nothing about the pose or the custume (or lack thereof) that remind me in any way of Natalee. What is the point of the alleged art? Who is it supposed to be poking fun at? I guess I cannot be offended because I do not understand what it is supposed to mean.

      I have much admiration for many members of Natalee’s family, the volunteers who are working hard to find her and bring her home, and to the many posters here who are true champions for Natalee, Beth, Dave, Matthew and others, but I just cannot get my feathers ruffled over something like this. We have more important things to be ticked off about so let’s not waste energy on junk art and what it does or does not attempt to represent.

    75. t on March 4th, 2008 3:12 am

      Joran tapes are manipulated

      SM: (Above link in Dutch)

      We knew it was only a matter of time before this common excuse was used.

    76. Susan on March 4th, 2008 4:26 am

      The latest on the water search…the RV Persistence is returning home to Louisiana due to lack of funds :-( The plan is to return at a later date…



    77. elisabeth on March 4th, 2008 5:14 am

      I read the whole link,(75) it is not an attempt to excuse JVDS, it is suggested that at some moments there was more information available and that de Vries might yet have some tricks up his sleeve. In general the suggestions about cuts in de tapes etc. dont seem important, there is one moment in the description of the dead Natalee where it is suggested that Patrick “voiced over” a comment from JVDS that could have been important.
      By the way, i looked at the “performance” my interpretation was that JVDS was lying/lie-ing dead or supplicating and not at all as against Natalee…

    78. Carpe Noctem on March 4th, 2008 8:03 am

      Jordy’s face needs manipulation!

      … as does that walloping parental unit load,
      Paulus of of the dirty sweat sock.

      Looky, I’m over ‘em…
      I’d be droppin’
      “Fat Man” on them,
      at this juncture.

    79. Rammstein on March 4th, 2008 8:33 am

      you are being duped and used as tools by Geenstijl.nl who don’t give a flying fig about Natalee.

      Because you have no knowledge of the 2 sides in the issue you have been pulled into you are siding with the wrong side.

      Geenstijl.nl has no class, it has been extremely rude towards Natalee and her mother, this so-called letter is written by a person who has personally insulted Natalee and who has called for people to make “fake bookcovers” for Joran’s book and encouraged people to use Natalee’s image in making those books. I could go on and on with the horrendous things this website (geenstijl) has done to Natalee but I will have to do that from home because at the moment I am at work.

    80. hangpaulsloot on March 4th, 2008 8:42 am

      Now we see another example of what it is to be dutch and why they will not prossecute jurine or any other dutch boy of rape, it would go against all that it is to be dutch. In the Netherlands it is a common right of passage for dutch boys and young men to rape women, to force their way. It has been that way for so many centuries that it is no longer frowned upon within the Dutch circle, and they resent anyone who casts aspersions on their natural predatory way of love. It is as common for a Dutch father and son to rape a family member or other girl as it is for an American boy to go deer hunting with his father. This has been exposed with Natalee Holloway and even the “art fags” in Holland are mad about it. Deer hunter vs. rapist father/son combo? I like the odds.

    81. WHITE KNIGHT on March 4th, 2008 8:58 am

      paulus is out on the prowl

      he has rabies

    82. brie on March 4th, 2008 9:47 am

      Those tapes are not manipulated…Joran has already confessed to, “Yes, I said all those things”

    83. Mortella on March 4th, 2008 10:29 am

      This looks like something done by a dull eight year old. How the Grand Old Masters of Dutch art must be spinning in their graves to see how low the level of “art” has sunk in a country that once led in this field.

      And that website is where I first encountered the phrase “Breazah Slut” used in reference to Natalee. Only new Dutch words I have learned in three years.

      Shame on whomever allowed to ever be called “art”! I used to think pot smoking was probably relatively harmless but after observing how stupid as a society the Dutch are becoming since in became legal there, I am forced to reconsider that assumption. Seems to fry the collective brain badly. Or something has for sure.

      Not only can they no longer see the obvious, they seem to have lost the normal ability to reason especially in regard to Natalee Holloway. And to have the emotional depth of a muffin tin.

      I’ve had better art stuck on the front of my refrigerator door created by kindergärtners which seems to be the intellectual level prevailing in Aruba and The Netherlands when it comes to dispensation of justice these days.

      If you want an example of the folly of liberalism, look no farther than the decline of The Netherlands. Oh, that’s right! They allow the descendants of the Great Masters to be slaughtered in their streets now, too. Guess this is the kind of “art” they prefer now with their dope-fried brains and Joran van der Sloot as their poster child for all the world to see.

      Van Gogh, Rembrandt and all the others must be somewhere weeping. It’s truly sad.

    84. MissKatiekatie2u on March 4th, 2008 10:36 am

      and fellow monkeys
      i will continue to donate money to the cause.. finding .. natalee.. let’s do what we can.. we seem to be united for one cause and thans to bring natalees remains to alabama.. if only natalee could see.. looking down from heaven..
      at all the love and support that has been expressed throughout the world.. for her recovery..

    85. MissKatiekatie2u on March 4th, 2008 10:37 am

      i meant to say and thats to bring

    86. Lotte Lenya on March 4th, 2008 11:19 am

      Not to worry, Mortella!

      According to reports,.”“shock art” is on its way out in the Netherlands, and that contemporary Dutch artists are now making work that is more politically and socially engaged.”

      Last month the Netherlands held their Art Rotterdam fair which featured art from 75 galleries, a lot of it ‘daring art’. They claim that attendence was up from the previous year but sales were way down.

      The big talk around this year’s art fair was a taxidermied dog, which, when turned inside out, became a cat.
      (Can’t imagine why nobody wanted to pay the $6500 asking price for it)

    87. Pam on March 4th, 2008 11:47 am

      I know this is a stretch but could it be possible that those items found in the crab trap that were examined by the FBI do have proof of Natalee and those on the Persistence don’t want anyone to have this information before they return to the United States? Seems like Tim from Equisearch was somewhat vague on whether it was DNA and/or Natalee’s clothes that did not match. I recall much discussion on that issue. Just seems strange that they ended the search within such a short period of time of finding that trap. This is probably not the case…just a thought..probably just wishful thinking.

    88. Lotte Lenya on March 4th, 2008 12:19 pm

      Pam, it is kind of curious. What gets me is why bother to test a piece of material…not a shirt, not a pair of panties…just a piece of material found in a supposedly empty trap. I mean, why go to all the trouble of sending it to the FBI for testing when you know there’s got to be a ton of random scrap material down there in the water. Maybe they were thinking that since they recovered the scrap, they may as well test it. Or it could be more and we just don’t know yet. All I know is that I wouldn’t want to be on the Persistence stuck in Aruba when the world found out I had a skull on my boat!!

    89. MissKatiekatie2u on March 4th, 2008 12:26 pm

      seems like I heard a fellow monkey say that .. the FBI had ruled those items out.. as belonging to natalee
      fellow monkeys any responses???

    90. Pam on March 4th, 2008 12:36 pm

      Lotte Lenya, that’s what I was thinking. Aruba would certainly not want to let Persistence leave with anything that may have been recovered from the area if there were any indication that it was linked to Natalee. I just remember Tim saying something about DNA and as was questioned here how could there be DNA on material after almost three years. I also remember Tim saying something about what appeared to be a skull in the trap but then he not only did not elaborate on it he dropped it at that point. You know they had to have looked at several items prior to that time and this was the only one that was reported on. Like I said, this is probably just wishful thinking.

    91. Schop on March 4th, 2008 12:57 pm

      Nr. 80 Hangpaulsloot: “In the Netherlands it is a common right of passage for dutch boys and young men to rape women, to force their way.”

      I don’t know where you got this information. Maybe you’ve been there lots of times, and witnessed this with your own eyes? I’d like to know more about this, can you please let us share in your vast knowledge of this weird country?

    92. kayjay on March 4th, 2008 4:30 pm

      A week or so ago our good friend VietnamVet posted and he said that the Hollways had something that they could use in the future when the time was right. Apparenty VV knows the family and therefore I am assuming he knows something we don’t.
      As far as the art goes..the guy obviously has no talent or imagination or he wouldn’t put his name on such trash. He just looking to make a fast euro at the expense of someone who can’t defend themselves…what a pathetic individual.

    93. always 1 on March 4th, 2008 5:47 pm

      i was over at the neighbors and the kids were watching Finding Nemo (you all may ban me from the blog for this) but Dory (pronoounced Daury) said “isnt the ocean big enough for you?…you dont think Joran was just messing with the guy filming do you??????

    94. Patti on March 4th, 2008 6:00 pm

      Thanks, Rammstein, for your warning. Before this, I had never heard of this person.

      Thanks, also, to Mortella for putting it all in perspective.


      Boycott Aruba AND The Netherlands… NEVERland!

    95. Carpe Noctem on March 4th, 2008 10:21 pm

      I find it EXTREMELY UNCONSCIONABLE AND DISTURBING that they will not arrest
      any of those Van der sloot / Kalpoe
      human garbage cans, UNDER ANY
      AT ALL.

      We need to dig a li’l deeper on this
      and find out COMPLETELY why that would be!

      Even if it means that Paulus Van der sloot knows about some of those so called


      Would that be what u are referring to…

      Did the RVP map out some of those, Mr. Sloot?

      Inquiring minds wanna know, buddy. Take some
      time and think about it some more… Light
      another spliff, and have yourself a LIFF…

      We’ll all still be here for ya, munnnn!






    96. Mr. G. on March 5th, 2008 12:40 am

      I have been off the sight for several days and have read a few comments here tonight, and the one that intrigues me is about the persistence stopping so abruptly. I think it was mentioned before about why did they wait so long to ask for donations, they obviously knew they were running out of money. This leads me to believe that it is possible that they indeed did find something in the crab trap shown, and by the way, the picture did show what appeared to be a skull in it, that was my first thought when I looked at it. Some one here mentioned that maybe they called it quits abruptly to get the evidence out of Aruban waters and back here in the states for testing. That would make perfect sense to me. I hope this is true and if not, I have an idea money wise. Now, my propsal is by no means for keeping track of the money spent or where. Since the persistence needs money to finish and probably not return to finish untill the funds are availiable, here is my proposal:
      Lets say we set up a million dollar goal and have it shown daily on this sight just like a jerry lewis telethon. We can have a space needle or a thermometor or anything with numbers on it and can watch donations comming in and we can see where we as monkeys are every day and hopefully one day soon we will reach our goal and be able to send the persistence back out to finish what it started. Its pretty simple, if and when we or some one makes a donation, back it up with a receipt, canceled check, ect. We do not need to know where and how the money will be spent, we only know we sent money to the search for the persistence and when we hit that magical number we will know they can head back and continue the dives. I am inserting Daves address for the search, ( Nonprofit Organization: NATALEE HOLLOWAY FOUNDATION
      Address: PO Box 4363 % Dave Holloway, Meridan, MS 39304
      Designated Project: for the persistence searching for Natalee in
      Aruban waters.)
      Also, I found a way to pay by credit card if you like:( http://www.networkforgood.org.)
      The thing I am proposing is when a donation is made let whomever know the amount and back it up with a receipt, this way we can watch the fund grow, I personally specified my donation be for the persistence and the search, but was sent right at the time they were thinking of leaving, so, it got me to thinking, I know it will be used for the good for Natalee and thats fine. What I want to see is a chart to show what we have all sent and a challenge for each and everyone of us to do more if we can and lets make the goal and help the persistence find our Natalee and bring her home where she belongs. The chart is nothing more than an incentive and a guide for us to go by, not to monitor the spending. This way everyone can see at any given time where we are at on the money and something to be proud of and knowing we are doing everthing humanly possible to help Natalee to rest in peace in her native soil. This may be crazy but to me it would be a goal to reach and a pleasure at the same time as well. As we all do, I personally want our Natalee home here in the states with us. I hope this all makes sense to everyone, again its nothing more than a tool for everyone to watch and get excited about.

    97. Mr. G. on March 5th, 2008 12:53 am

      As far as the art, hum, well to me this is not art. I understand what it could represent, but its a matter of opinion. Opinions are like “A” “holes”, everyone has one. I just think the timming is very bad for this either way its thought of, maybe 50 years from now it may have significance,but now,its just not right. Just my opinion.

    98. Mr. G. on March 5th, 2008 1:07 am

      My # 96 post, I hope everyone undestands, if we all pitch in, and send requests to the oprahs of the world, and follow through we can do this. Our little contributions can and will add up, now that we know we are not on a deadline to get the money together, we can concentrate on the oprahs of the world and have the time it takes to make it happen. I will try and send a letter to oprah and appeal to her for her help and others as well.

    99. Mr. G. on March 5th, 2008 1:19 am

      Oh, I forgot, (http://www.networkforgood.org.) will take you to daves address, if im not mistaken you can ask for the Natalee Holloway Foundation and it will let you donate at his address via credit card through them….

    100. Mr. G. on March 5th, 2008 6:28 am

      I just sent a letter to Oprah, so we will see if she replies..It was a Pleah to her to help in the search and the funds needed, so cross your fingers……

    101. MissKatiekatie2u on March 5th, 2008 11:26 am

      MR G
      aletter to opera or did you mean email?
      if so send the link ill write her also..:)

    102. MissKatiekatie2u on March 5th, 2008 11:27 am

      OOPS MR G

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