Decision regarding Joran van der Sloot’s arrest postponed until Wednesday


From Dutch news:

Joran van der Sloot

Aruban OM says the decision about arresting Joran will not be made until wednesday. The courts gave Jorans attorney until wednesday to make his “vision”about the case clear.

UPDATE I: John Q. Kelly on Fox – How much more of a confession do they need to arrest Joran van der Sloot?

Posted February 11, 2008 by
Aruba, Corruption, John Q. Kelly, Main | 85 comments

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  • Comments

    85 Responses to “Decision regarding Joran van der Sloot’s arrest postponed until Wednesday”

    1. RM on February 11th, 2008 4:00 pm

      Keeping our fingers crossed here.

    2. Katie on February 11th, 2008 4:18 pm


    3. RM on February 11th, 2008 4:23 pm

      Well, maybe it is a good sign that the lawyer needs more time?

    4. Carpe Noctem on February 11th, 2008 4:28 pm

      Hey Joe Tacopina, where ya been dude?
      SM: Beth and JQK coming up on FOX right now!

    5. kayjay on February 11th, 2008 4:54 pm

      Noone wants to see that deviate arrested more than I do, but imo the arrest will not stick unless there is more evidence, a witness, the owner of the boat, because unless these socalled law enforcement asses have their backs up against a wall of nails, they will never get a conviction. This case stinks to high heavan.
      Beth and Dave needs to insist that the State Dept. step in and put pressure on the Netherlands and Aruba. The State Dept. of course has its own AGENDA which is probably why they would probably not want to interfere.
      I am praying for more back up to the tapes. Come on Arubans step up to the plate and do the right thing.

    6. JusticeforNatalee on February 11th, 2008 5:01 pm

      Summary, courtesy: San

      John Gibson said Aruba seems to be very slow on an Aruban arrest.

      JQK said Natalee’s behavior suggests she was drugged. Now he suggests she had seizures.

      It is clear Joran did not want her body found and he was responsible for her death.

      There has been a lot of speculation about Paulus. John said the father could take a lie detector test to appease everybody.

      Kimberly said isn’t is about high time they bring Paulus in for questioning.

      JQK said he would like them to have another conversation with Paulus. If they haven’t by now he hopes they would. John Gibson said why wouldn’t they. Is it because he is a judge or a judge in training there, is he getting preferential treatment not being questioned because he is sort of an insider in the system.

      JQK said the day after Natalee disappeared right after Joran was questioned you have law enforcement officers asking if Natalee had seizures or was prone to them so they obviously knew something too. They wanted to protect someones son or a young man on the island.

      JQK they move pretty slowly down there but the evidence is pretty compelling.

    7. Allan on February 11th, 2008 5:08 pm

      I think Joran and Paulus are both guilty and pretty much low life scum. What also strikes me after hearing him talk, he is crazy, insane, and really has mental problems(psychopath-sociopath). Maybe that is why Stratten said something about a mental hospital for Joran.

      Does this mean Paulus and Anita let this immoral sociopath wander not caring when, how many people got hurt or killed? Well we know Paulus is an immoral man by his statements. Jorans statements are from a truly sick mind that can not be helped.

      I would not doubt a sentence to a mental hospital coming up soon from an Aruba court.

      That means Paulus and Anita would walk away free.

    8. suisse71 on February 11th, 2008 5:13 pm

      IMO, this is one of the BEST interviews by far. In case you missed it on the previous post, I hope for anyone who did not get a chance to listen to SM radio, do check it out.

      Listen to what Art Wood says about Anita – “actions of a mother to sociopath a son”

      Listen to what they say about Paulus and Joran –

      Listen to what they say about 3 on 1 versus a 1 on 1 – JK2 are all involved, don’t rush too quick to let K2 off the hook.

      Listen to what Red said, BRILLIANT! SM you rock! [Hope you are feeling much better Red…]

      OH and Art Wood said he tracked down the Gottenbos boat and gave that to the Aruban authorities. I do hope he gave that information to Devries as well. Seriously! Given what we know of cover up & corruption would you trust the ALE with an ounce of evidence/information? I’d give it all to Devries. [That goes for all you who are still afraid to go to the ALE.] And Hans Mos is making me feel very uneasy. It’s like Janssen on vacation and making excuses for Joran/Paulus all over again.


      Boo hoo Lorenzo had to get a lawyer. Track down Koen in Holland and Sander in Georgia – HELLO!

      Yes, there are 2 Daury’s – listen to the Devries tapes again

      Daury 1 – Daddy/Paulus

      Daury 2 – Koen Gottenbos [or Sander Gottenbos, but Koen fits the description better given the facts we know]

      If you follow Dr. Hodges thoughtprint analysis, then how about?

      Daury is 2 letters away from Daddy

      Dory is a type of boat

      Dowry also means:

      One common penalty for the kidnapping and rape of unmarried women was that the abductor or rapist had to provide the woman’s dowry, which was until the late 20th century the wreath money, or the breach of promise.

      Witch Hunt or how about Payback in a Bi**ch? It must suck when everyone in the media is saying, “What the Aruban police could or WOULD not do in more than 2 1/2 years! It took a Dutch JOURNALIST and an informant to crack the case.”

      SM – any chance you could post the transcript from this radio interview with Dana Pretzer? It’s amazing.

      J 4 N!!!!

      BTW – Hope you all caught JQ Kelly on The Big Story w/ John Gibson /FOX News today. This is a MUST SEE. For example:

      “Isn’t is about time THAT they ACTUALLY bring HIM in [PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT] for some questioning and talk to him about this?”

      JQK “I would like for them to have another conversation with him [PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT] if they haven’t by now.”


      JQK “There’s no reason they shouldn’t John [Gibson]”

      Then they go into the seizures again and smuggling the cell phone in the jail, etc… Worth watching.

      J 4 N!!!!

    9. Carl the Detective on February 11th, 2008 5:37 pm

      I know you are reading this big boy…enjoy your last few days of freedom. i got a question for you shooter..why did you call Natalee a whore? because she wouldnt have sex with you and your friends? why didnt you rush her to the hospital? you could have saved her and been a hero. what were you hiding? your drugs? your rape? your assault? what was it shooter? you’re such a big shot, shooter. you are a wannabe, a poser. your little gang, the pimps? they’re going to flip on you big boy. you’re not a gangster. you’re nothing but a little snot nosed brat, a little bully, a mama’s boy. we saw the real you in that car shooter. you’re a little hip hop poser, smoking blunts like you’re a tough guy. but your MOUTH got you in trouble again. are you sure your shoes wont be found? i think we’ll find them shooter. you think you’re friends will keep quiet, after you threw the kalpos under the bus? i dont thinks so shooter. you hear those voices? that’s going to haunt you forever shooter. you know those guys in the aruba jail, those are some of the folks most hurt by your scandal. no jobs, no tourists, that’s on you shooter. get ready…it’s about to get ugly. can you feel it shooter. what comes around goes around. they are getting the paperwork ready right now…..

    10. JusticeforNatalee on February 11th, 2008 5:43 pm

      Thanks for the video! Quick!
      SM: Quick thanks to Carpe! Thank you Carpe! (klaasend)

    11. katablog on February 11th, 2008 5:51 pm

      Ugh, hopefully SM fixes that
      pasted URL or starts a new thread.
      This one is very hard to read.

      Anyway, this just keeps blowing me
      out of the water every time I think
      of that little skank and his parents.

      Yeah Paulus, take a lie detector.
      Of course Joran could probably beat
      it since he’s a sociopath but let’s
      give it a try.

      Aruba, just keep hoping those stupid
      American tourists will come back. There
      has to be one or two dumb enough.

      Deepak: the heat is on! Now is the time
      to make your deal and make it fast. Again,
      time to go from Zero to Hero in one small
      step. Admit you knew Natalee was drugged.
      But then tell us everything Joran told you
      along with Paulus.

    12. Carpe Noctem on February 11th, 2008 6:00 pm


      Anytime! Glad to do it.



      I’m pretty sure >IT is that rancid slab of
      meat that Joran otherwise refers to as DADDY.

      He ‘ADVISES’ Joran to be normal at school tomorrow. Joran then says HE DOCKS THE BOAT
      after all this marvelous friend has done for
      him,at 3 in the morning, the disposing of a
      dead girl at sea, the great alibi advice…

      this MYSTERY PERSON also has time to swing by
      the house for a brewski or two-ski, and a
      quick word to cap off such an eventful

      TO TELL YOU.

      That was a night of hard work!

      I wonder if Jordy downloaded a nice porno movie & burned it to DVD, so Popsie could snocker himself off a good one before slumberin’? :lol:

      I wonder if the mystery disposal guy is
      a hybrid of his father & Steve Croes?

      Joran said that MYSTERY DISPOSAL MAN X claims
      to have roughly cruised out not even two miles to dump out Natalee’s body.

      watch/listen – De Vries version Dutch Joran confession hilights with sub-titles.


      Joran you’re SUCH a piece of cat dirt, you are
      going down soon, dude.

      You just did not



    13. Lisa in Maryland on February 11th, 2008 6:17 pm

      What…Aruban OM says the decision about arresting Joran will not be made until wednesday. The courts gave Jorans attorney until wednesday to make his “vision”about the case clear.

      Joran is smokin weed & Taco is having “visions”?

      I knew he had his head too far up Joran’s Ars.

      Aruba must be the only place on earth where they allow the defense to prepare his case before they make the arrest.

      Delays, Delays, 2 1/2yrs. & More Delays.

      Aruba VISION THIS… You arrest the b-stard, You arrest his father, you interrogate them until you get the truth and you put them away.

      What more do you need? pictures??? I mean for cryin out loud… In the US if you arrange for someone to dispose of a body (while the body may still be alive) you are guilty of murder or at least arranging a murder. I can’t think of the legal term. If nothing else he’s admitted to attempted murder and tampering with evidence not to mention the numerous times he has obstructed this investigation.

      The only thing that two more days changes is that little creep gets to run free in Holland for another 48 hours.

      Anita, how can you even breath the same air? Honey, you need to turn them both in and start your life over.

    14. suisse71 on February 11th, 2008 6:18 pm
    15. brie on February 11th, 2008 6:21 pm

      Scared Monkeys….can we get rid of the math problem….we can all answer it but you delete posts in the middle of what someone is trying to say something….what’s up…not enough memory??? We type and type and then summit and you tell us do the math….we already did!!!!

    16. RM on February 11th, 2008 6:24 pm

      Just heard Jossy may be on Greta tonight. By phone, no doubt, but still…

    17. Lisa in Maryland on February 11th, 2008 6:28 pm

      Here’s a question???

      Joran says he called Daury. Isn’t there a record of the call? Even if the phone was distroyed there would still be a record of the call on that date.

    18. Dar on February 11th, 2008 6:30 pm

      What we have here is a bunch of simple minded people clutching desperatly to the last threads of the tangle web they have woven. Clinging for their lives to try and hand on to their wolrd as they once knew it. They are all in complete denial about any responsibility on their part(s).

      Anita can’t bear to face the fact that both her husband and son are preditors and find drugging tourist for sex a sport and Natalee is just collateral damage. As a woman one would think she would find this appalling but after all it keeps Paulus from pestering her for his pleasure so what the heck party on boys and don’t get caught…ooops

      Joran clearly is the Ted Bundy “Becoming” for the new millinium this guy could have been the worlds next great serial killer except we are watching him now. We are fortunate that he was caught in the early stages of his development or there is no doubt in my mind there would have been hundreds of young girls lost to this sicko.

      Paulus now there is a man for you wow wow wow. Obiviously he has aquired a position in the drug cartel and legal system of the Golden Triangle enough to keep him safe for now. But what type of “MAN” helps his son to beat the system by breaking the rules teaching him to lie, cheat and cover up murder. I know its super “Dutch Dad” remember son, “Nno body… No crime” you are safe this time…but be more careful next time..

      Denial they are all in some hypnotic denial grasping at their little lives were they ruled the roost on a little island…why don’t you guys come out and play with the big boys ooooh yhea that would mean you would have to play by our rules not yours…well in the end you will have to play by Gods rules and that is something you can never lie your way out of….

      The Dutch Government is to busy counting their money from the drug business they run…a murdered girl is not high up on their agenda considering they make money off of slave trade too and it was one of their cartels very own that committed the murder… so cover it up. It will go away or we can just drag this out till everyone involved is dead..

    19. katablog on February 11th, 2008 6:38 pm

      Whata ya wanna bet the Duary is Daddy and that Joran doesn’t know what Daddy did?

      How about this scenario – making the time line fit better too.

      Joran drugs Natalee, she has a seizure, Joran wets his pants, hides Natalee in the Mangroves and runs home. Tells Daddy. Daddy tells Joran to go about his business, Daddy will take care of everything.

      So days later when one of the suspects confesses, Joran leads investigators to the Mangroves (because that’s the last place he saw Natalee) but of course Daddy has arranged to have that site cleaned up. Joran later hears (or guesses) the dumped at sea by Daddy.

      In the mean time Joran has shared his story with Deepak. Hence a bit of a question about whether Natalee is really dead when Deepak and Joran talk in the police car.

    20. Meeee on February 11th, 2008 6:53 pm

      Didn’t Karin Janssen with the help of some judge. Get Paulus cleared in this case already?

    21. suisse71 on February 11th, 2008 7:05 pm

      19 Katablog,

      So is there an officer Halley? Or is he Paulus? And/Or Van der Stratten? As I mentioned above, I tend to believe there are 2 Daury’s

      1 = Paulus

      2 = Koen

      Whose name would he take to his grave or rather Natalee’s grave?
      IMO, Paulus, and/or Deepak and/or Koen.
      June 12, 2005
      Deputy Police Commissioner, Gerold Dompig, told The Associated Press that one of the three young men arrested in the case admitted, “something bad happened” to Holloway and was leading police to the scene……

      How could the police deny knowing of evidence that was directly handed by an FBI agent to a defense attorney for submission as evidence?
      Where is the witness who saw a policeman named Halley, known to be friends with Paulus Van der Sloot, taking a body from the sand prior to the police search?
      What becomes of this witnesses statement recorded and given to police?

      What became of officer Halley? Were any statements of accountability collected from officer Halley and was officer Halley arrested as an accomplice in the disposal of a body as seen by an eye witness?
      Did officer Halley recover a body from the sand dunes?

      Where is the tape that was given by Art Wood to Helen Lejuez to be submitted as evidence of a cover up?
      February 13, 2006

      ART WOOD: In August, the Diario tip line recorded an after hours call from a woman. She advised that there was a crooked cop, his name was Halley and he took a body from the sand prior to the search. The woman said that Halley knows Paulus Van der Sloot. Art copied that tape and gave it to Helen Lejuez who in turn gave it to the prosecutor to be entered into evidence. In September, Dave Holloway questioned Dompig regarding this tape and the police vehicle that had been seen. Dompig and the investigative team acted like they never heard of either account. This is what Beth was talking about the would “shock the world”….”

      J 4 N!!!

    22. Carpe Noctem on February 11th, 2008 7:08 pm


      SM: :)

    23. suisse71 on February 11th, 2008 7:12 pm

      17, Lisa

      Watch Nancy Grace CNN tonight with Jug Twitty to get your answer.

      This has been a cover up from the get go. The Higher Powers include Paulus, Van Der Stratten, Dennis Jacobs.

      j 4 n!!!

    24. suisse71 on February 11th, 2008 7:20 pm

      18 Dar,

      Good point.

      Then there is also the following to support:

      Dr Hodges INTO THE DEEP

      Beth, Dave, Jug and or their books

      Scared Monkeys

      Especially if you listened to this SM radio cast w/ Dana Pretzer

      Or Nancy Grace CNN tonight with Jug Twitty


    25. suisse71 on February 11th, 2008 7:26 pm

      Lisa 13,

      Feel ya!

      Listen to this and you will find your answers:

      j4 n!!!!

    26. suisse71 on February 11th, 2008 7:30 pm

      12, Carpe Noctem

      Such a good point!!

      He ‘ADVISES’ Joran to be normal at school tomorrow. Joran then says HE DOCKS THE BOAT

      Dr Hodges says the same thing!!! INTO THE DEEP

      j4 n!!!!

    27. suisse71 on February 11th, 2008 7:36 pm




      Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned…..


      J 4 N!!!

    28. Patti on February 11th, 2008 7:44 pm


      Instead of treating Joran like a criminal, a murderer, who could strike at any time, they treat him and his legal team like THEY run things in Aruba.

      I don’t know why I even bother to care; they’ll, simply bring in the judge from Cauracao who was involved with the cover up from the VERY beginning and drop the charges, releasing Joran into a world of potential VICTIMS… again. It’s safe to say that life means nothing nor does kidnapping a girl who who ends up missing in Aruba

      I don’t see anyone giving up.

      The Boycott shall go on an on until the TRUTH

      is told about Natalee and the Aruban Government.




      Hey Rudy!

      What are you afraid of? Are you like the other
      97,000 people who find the kidnap, death and
      mutiliation of a child…eMbArRaSsInG?

      I suppose it is an iembarrassment when you’re the
      one calling the shots and disposing someones
      innocent, Straight A, virgen, honor student.
      Most shameful of it all is that NOT ONCE did
      you think of them… grieving for their baby.
      All you care about is your sick, corrupt, drug infested island and the money you can earn from
      marketing… no matter how many people get

      The whole world hates you and your disgusting island and you will never again rise up from the dust!

      Death to the Arawak!

    29. buster on February 11th, 2008 7:45 pm

      OMG You gotta run the above video !!! From :43 to :49 There is a picture (map) of aruba and it looks like a floating turd, It’s even tapered to keep the old cheeks from slamming shut.
      Picture this:
      A picture of aruba (map) in the middle of a toilet bowl and above reading:
      aruba’s economy

    30. buster on February 11th, 2008 7:49 pm

      OMG you gotta run the above video !!! From :43 to :49 there is a picture (map) of aruba and it looks like a floating turd, It’s even tapered at one end.
      Picture this: A picture of aruba (map) floating in the middle of a toilet and above the picture it would read: arubas economy

    31. WHERE'S NATALEE, AZZHOLE JORAN? on February 11th, 2008 7:55 pm



      “Natalee affair hits Aruban economy”
      Wednesday 06 February 2008

      The disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway and the ensuing police investigation has cost the former Dutch colony of Aruba tens of millions of dollars in lost income from American tourists.

      The comment was made by the island’s prime minister Nelson Oduber on the Dutch tv current affairs show Nova on Tuesday evening. Aruba’s economy depends for 70% on US tourists, he said.



    32. letsgetthiscasesolved on February 11th, 2008 7:59 pm

      How do I get to be a member?
      SM: You click on the forum tab then register. Then we have to approve them. Unfortunately we are a bit behind with that right now but I should be doing some approvals later tonight. (klaasend)

    33. letsgetthiscasesolved on February 11th, 2008 8:08 pm

      observer777 who did some realy good on got almost his beating tonight over there by trolls or…?
      I realy want to ask him to keep up his good work, he explains a lot and even you guys have so much info about aruba for thepast 2.5 years it still makes sense…some of the NL it is too much and too far away from the case but I think it’s better to have too much infoas then to have none which appeared to be happened to us in NL for 2.5 years…
      Keep up the good work an I hope observer777 will go on on, Thanks!

    34. Patti on February 11th, 2008 8:17 pm

      Personally, I think she went into a seizure because she was hit in the head. I have never heard anything about Natalee having seizures. But, many times people come out of them on their own. I don’t in any way believe the story Joran is telling, but if it will get him behind bars… let him talk. He will never tell the truth about what he and his family did to Natalee, but I can tell you, she died for her virture, her kindness, her goodness and her loving hears…

      Who wouldn’t want to be like Natalee. She has already won her crown in heaven for dying for God’s sake. He was there, and he was her friend. I believe that he took her early, just barely.

      The fact that this happens all the time… it is our duty to Natalee to stop the human trafficking in Aruba and force the Netherlands to work with the State department to be sure that this NEVER, EVER, EVER happens again.

      My God… is Jehovah and he will bring an end to the Nations…

      What was done to Natalee is, accoriding the Jehovah, touching his eye. The hurt and the pain inflicted on his child, is not easily forgotten. And the fact that they offer these children of God to a statue, ancestoral worship and in the practice of magic is surely and indication of the torture inflicted upon these innocence…. for entertainmeyn. For nearly 2000 years, these indians have worshiped pagan gods, offering their own babies, if need be… to win favor of the gods.

      To my God, The Arawak is an old enemy.

      And ONE day, the end will come, but until then, let’s help the others. The ones who’s families are tricked thinking they are going to school, working as nannies, gardening, cooking or being the butler…. but NEVER that!

    35. Carpe Noctem on February 11th, 2008 8:21 pm



    36. Patti on February 11th, 2008 8:34 pm

      Personally, I think she went into a seizure because she was hit in the head. I have never heard anything about Natalee having seizures. But, many times people come out of them on their own. I don’t in any way believe the story Joran is telling, but if it will get him behind bars… let him talk. He will never tell the truth about what he and his family did to Natalee, but I can tell you, she died for her virture, her kindness, her goodness and her loving heart…


    37. TroublesMom on February 11th, 2008 8:39 pm

      Didn’t Deepak say in the police car “Joran, Your OWN
      FATHER” Maybe Daury=Paulis????

    38. suisse71 on February 11th, 2008 9:05 pm

      Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. Her name is:




      God Speed Persistence!!!!!

      Tues 05-Feb 0940 hrs
      Over the past couple nights, the world tuned in along with the search team and watched the mottled confessions of Joran van der Sloot. The confessions filled the search team with resolve, renewing our assurance that if Natalee Holloway can be found in the ocean we will find her.

      Let’s keep filling the team with resolve. I’ve sent in my check and let them know this is from another SM. Let’s send them emails full of support!!!!!!!!

      After all, if anyone and anything is going to call his/their bluff, the Gambler/the gamblers, the card shark/s, it is PERSISTENCE. HER NAME IS PERSISTENCE.

      J 4 N!!!

    39. Patti on February 11th, 2008 9:06 pm

      I say let him talk.


      That’s ALL I can think about…


      It’s always his “Family”


      Remember this one?

      “Natalee Holloway? The one my mom, cut off her

      head, in the bathtub?

      (Joran’s younger brother)

      … And then he laughed….


    40. Patti on February 11th, 2008 9:10 pm

      Actually, Deepak said,

      “UNBELIEVABLE… Your own FATHER!!!

      (at least that’s my take on it)

      I’m sure I’m right, though.

    41. JD on February 11th, 2008 9:10 pm

      I feel strongly that Joran had previously drugged women BEFORE Natalee went awry on him.
      I am CERTAIN there are one to a few women in this world that had travelled thru Aruba or Europe and ran into the likes of Joran…and just maybe, all this information will strike a cord in a living victim’s memory…in which, perhaps you should come forward and say, “Hey, now I GET what happened to me at that bar in Amsterdamn, or that bar in Aruba … one night, when my brain receptor gates opened wide and I danced like a wanting woman…then I forgot. Next day I thought I drank too much, blew it off, and flew home. Come to think of it now, that creep and his friends were around me that night…in fact, I’ll go back and look at my holiday photos.”
      Come on ladies…surely, Natalee was not his first victim!

      To LEARN what is really going on in the world of RAPE DRUG CRIMES… visit:

    42. Sharon Chicago on February 11th, 2008 9:21 pm

      BRAVO NANCY GRACE… Good news show this evening. Jug was on the show and I loved it because they both racked over Aruba and its cover up on what really happened. Jug was very outspoken about Van Straten and the ALE asking him about Natalee having seizures and how corrupt Aruba is…

      It was great that they were both exposing the lies.

    43. disgustedmom on February 11th, 2008 9:25 pm

      I’m not holding my breath they’ll arrest Joran!

      But I’d bet money if they find Natalee’s body they will find others. Here’s why I think that….

      They were too sure Natalee would not be found…so it seems like they had a place to dump bodies that had a proven track record of being a great place. And I don’t think that would be the ocean because it’s too risky in many ways. And I do think it would be a place Paulus could drive by every once in a while and peer from a distance to see if anyone were looking there – just to satisfy himself he is still safe. And I think it would be a place where Paulus didn’t need anyone else’s help.

    44. releaseit on February 11th, 2008 9:27 pm

      a little of topic, but I saw this site being posted in the Netherlands.

    45. Patti on February 11th, 2008 9:30 pm

      Okay, we know that Deepak and Satish dropped them off at the beach. They walk down the embankment to the sand and they walked. Natalee is not afraid of this man until he says something weird and she turns to look and him and gets hit by something to the side of her eye and up a little.

      Joran makes a cell phone for the truck that already has the cage in it. When it arrives, they notice that Natalee is having a seizure brought on by the attack to the head that she had taken from Joran. He calls his father and Deepak, who goes on line to create an alibi for him, just in case.

      When one, finally, stops their seizure; they are very, very tired. In fact, some people don’t become conscience. They may only open their eyes, etc. So, in my opinion, it was forward with the plan, under Paulus’ command.

      offffffff t’ da sLooTs~~~~~~~~~~~~


      But, why was Charles Croes there?

    46. suisse71 on February 11th, 2008 9:36 pm

      JD, # 41

      YES JD – many feel the same way you do…..

      Joran – “We’ve done this like 20 times before and nothing bad ever happened [before]”

      Deepak – “You would not believe how easy it was..”

      Joran – “Patrick, I [JORAN VAN DER SLOOT] was getting one [female victim] like every week”

      Joran – “I was so lucky man”


      Every time Joran thinks he’s gotten away with it/anything, he GETS BOLDER.


      “…Clint van Zandt, likewise, discussed the “predatory game” that is active on the island of Aruba. Essentially, he [Clint Van Zandt] describes an old “cutting” game in which women on their last night in town are selected for drugging and gang raping, then dropped off near their hotel. If they complain, the police describe, in detail, how they will be required to remain for the prosecution. Van Zandt concludes that most, if not all women, just pick up their goods and leave without seeking any further action

      “…Any local worth his salt can tell you that women can be found there [C&C] who might drink a little too much. In a worst case scenario, a woman might even be convinced to accompany complete strangers on a trip around the island, perhaps visiting upon herself a horror that she could never have anticipated…”

      “…The game plan, so I’m told, [in Aruba] is to find an intoxicated woman, or get a woman drunk, or to drug the woman. Then while intoxicated, drugged, or both; the victim, with little or no strength or ability to resist, is next taken to a lonely location, possibly gang raped, and then dumped back at or near her hotel…”

      “…Were such a victim to report that she had been assaulted, local authorities would then tell her that the investigation would require her to miss her plane ride home or her cruise ship away from the island. Further, the victim is told that her life will be turned upside down by the subsequent investigation. Most women get the message – accept your fate and move on with your life. Score: predators 1, victim 0…”

      “…In another statement Joran allegedly said that he took Natalee to his house (he lives in an apartment detached from his parent’s residence in a middle class area of Aruba) where he had sex with the teenage girl while she was semiconscious. Joran then said he took Natalee to a beach close to her hotel, near the so-called “fisherman’s hut,” where he allegedly left her passed out or asleep on the sand…”

      “….We now know that Deepak, who referred to Natalee Holloway as “a slut” in a recent tape recorded interview, also allegedly stated on tape that he, his brother Satish and Joran van der Sloot all had sex with Natalee the night she disappeared. Deepak also acknowledged that Ecstasy is used to drug women in Aruba….”

      “…Natalee’s mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, a woman who only wants to know what happened to her daughter, told me that Joran had provided police with intimate physical details concerning Natalee that would support some aspects of his confession to having had sex with Natalee….”


      THANK YOU FOR THE LINK – Dave and Dr. Hodges both talk about this in their books. If you have not read, check them out. As well Beth’s book, and SM radio interviews with Dana Pretzer, as well as SM posts.

      J 4 N!!!!!!!!

      SM: Please use whenever you want to post a long url. That one of Dana’s show is very long and is blowing the margins for people usuing certain browsers. I’ve been fixing it for you but I’ll start deleting in the future. I don’t have time to fix them for everyone. TIA (klaasend)

    47. suisse71 on February 11th, 2008 9:43 pm

      Sharon 42,

      Amen!! Wasn’t she awesome!!!!!! So was Jug!!!!

      So was Red and all on SM radio – sorry I keep brining this up on this thread but it is a brilliant report.

      j 4 n!!!!!!

    48. Patti on February 11th, 2008 9:47 pm

      It could be because he is the REAL purchasor…

      The Polital strife in Aruba at the time was that Prime Minister Oduber was the FIRST ARAWAK Prime Minister of Aruba. He surrounded himself with people of the Brethren, instead of hiring people because of their education in certain fields of government. Aruba became a sack of thieves… anything can be bought. Even the cover of a murder by their very own police car and motorcycle units doin’ what they’re told, like God is no where around.

    49. suisse71 on February 11th, 2008 9:53 pm

      Dear SM,

      OH gosh SO VERY SORRY!!!!!!!

      Of course, everyone use the link SM posted for that SM radio cast. It really is a must listen. It is amazing!

      Really everyone at SM I must apologize, I am sincerely so very sorry for any headache and problem.

      Thank you so much SM……..

      j 4 n!!!!

    50. Patti on February 11th, 2008 10:01 pm

      What if Charles Croes was the one that had solicited someone to kidnap her? He is the only man that fits that criteria…

      …not only that! but HE is the ONLY character

      at this 3AM randezvous who you would expect to be on your side and tell you everything you know…..


      Charles Crows is BIG Indian…


    51. Patti on February 11th, 2008 10:12 pm

      He doesn’t care about the women and bows…

      Only his Pride

      (for WHAT, I don’t know)

      He’s is DUMBER than

      a Door Nail, missing it’s

      head…. get it?

    52. Scared Monkeys on February 11th, 2008 10:15 pm

      A Monkey Media heads up …

      I talked to Beth today about all the recent events and she will be a guest on Dana’s show this coming Wednesday on Scared Monkeys radio. Don’t miss … be sure to tune in at 9pm edt on Wednesday.

    53. suisse71 on February 11th, 2008 10:27 pm

      Scared Monkeys, #52

      That is great news, will most definitely listen to Dana’s show this coming Wednesday on Scared Monkeys Radio. The Best!!!

      God Bless you Beth!!!! God Bless you SM!!!

      j 4 n !!!!

    54. Deetch on February 11th, 2008 10:35 pm

      Joran listed on his site his favorite porn site as being

      Theme is sex in a car and then dropping the women in an isolated location.

      But a coincidence I’m sure.

    55. suisse71 on February 11th, 2008 10:37 pm

      Patty 50 & 51

      The person Joran would trust most is a parent aka Paulus. There are most likely 2 Daury’s and the person he would take to his grave aka Natalee’s grave


      Koen [and/or Deepak or less likely but may know something, Sander]

      Sorry, I keep bringing this up but when you listen to that SM radio with Dana and company you will find answers. SM and SM radio with Dana is the best!!!!!!

      No, Patty, Charles Croes does NOT fit that criteria. Just listen to this SM radio cast and/or watch CNN Nancy Grace tonight with Jug Twitty’s insight.

      j 4 n!!!!

    56. minnesota dad on February 11th, 2008 11:08 pm

      I appreciate JQK’s optimism regarding the case, but here is why Joran will walk….

      Paulus is your perp. I have trumpeted for almost two years what Aruba was doing to effectively distance Paulus from the case.

      For those who want a lesson in how government actors cover-up for each other, follow what Aruba did in order to make sure this case would never be solved:

      Paulus’ friend and Aruban prosecutor, Karin Janssen provided the unthinkable…a letter to Paulus Van Der Sloot stating that he was “no longer a suspect” in the case. She did not provide a letter like this for the two black guys Aruba tried to frame in the first 10 days, or for Joran or any of his buddies. For Aruba to bring Paulus back in, they need to retract this letter due to the AMAZING Conflict of Interest.

      Paulus takes this letter to the courts and DEMANDS that he be released as a suspect from the case. The court obliges. Paulus now cannot be investigated as the ruling as he is no longer considered a suspect in the case. For Aruba to take in Paulus, they need to retract Karin Janssen’s letter due to Conflict of Interest + file in the courts to reverse this order stating he was no longer a suspect.

      Paulus then does what is known in legal circles as “layering the onion”. He files with Aruba to receive a payment for his arrest and detention as, he wasn’t a suspect in the case and it was a false arrest (this is what Joran bragged he and daddy were going to do to raise money in his confession video). Now, for Paulus to be brought in as a suspect, Aruba needs to retract Karin Janssen’s Conflict of Interest Letter, reverse the “no longer a suspect” in the case order, and reverse this $30,000 award from the court.

      Paulus got stupid, and demanded $50,000 more, and the Aruban courts shot him down. In addition, they laid out the AMAZING order that Hans Mos refuses to touch….that PVDS had two contacts that night with Natalee Holloway.

      This stuff reeks so bad of cover-up that I wish that FOX or JQK would expose it. Attornies are always hesitant to expose judicial corruption, as you burn bridges there and you will get nothing done. JQK has played the “don’t rip on the judges” game long enough. ATTACK AND EXPOSE ALL OF THEM WHILE THEY ARE ON THE DEFENSIVE JQK!!!

      In the end, Paulus is your perp…but the onion has been layered and no one on Aruba is touching that onion. This case is cooked until the onion is dealt with.


    57. minnesota dad on February 11th, 2008 11:12 pm


      Always like the stuff on your blog. You hit the nail on the head and you are always focusing attention where it should be: Paulus.

      Keep up the good work.


    58. Richard on February 11th, 2008 11:18 pm

      A question was raised about having Paulus vd Scum questioned while hooked up to a lie detector, or polygraph.

      We’ve been told that these things cannot be used on Aruba … probably because they couldn’t find anyone honest enough to administer the tests.

      Maybe they could ask Paulus to come to the U.S. and be interrogated (he and the dear little sporter were eager enough to come here when they wanted to be on the TV, remember?), but does anyone think he’d do it? Not me.

      Katablog (#19) … What you’re saying makes a lot of sense to me. If Paulus did get dragged into this, even if he were only concerned with saving his own sorry ass, I’d think that he would not tell Joran where he had dumped the body.

      If YOU, reading this, were Paulus, would YOU tell your despicable little offspring this information, knowing that he’d probably blab sooner or later? Wouldn’t you think that he’d realize what Joran doesn’t know, he can’t tell?

      Needless to say, this may or may not have been the way things did happen. I don’t believe that the Kalpoes weren’t involved … at least in assaulting Natalee, for sure … and I doubt that whatever happened, happened on the beach.

      One more question: were we ever told that the decision would be made Tuesday? All I’d heard was “after the weekend.”

      Methinks somebody is sending a signal to somebody here, or else there’s a lot of political arm-twisting going on.

      Remember, folks, the Boston protest will be held in about two weeks from now (if I remember correctly), and the New York protest the next weekend.

      Don’t just post on blogs … get out there and stand up for Natalee!

    59. molly in houston on February 11th, 2008 11:29 pm

      #56. Yup, MD, I agree with you. Paulus is the perp. He is the Daury. He paid for the dory. He is guilty, guilty.

      The two black guys were never heard from again. They are probably afraid to show their faces anywhere, lest they get accused of something else or otherwise harassed. They and their families deserve compensation for what was done to them, NOT Greedy Paulus.

      Paulus will go to hell because he is totally unrepentent. No surprise to me that Joran turned out the way that he did.

      boycott aruba(ape’s hole)
      molly in houston

    60. suisse71 on February 11th, 2008 11:40 pm

      56 & 57, MD

      Amen!!!!!!! Keep on telling it like it is……

      AS we all know, this may very well be bigger than ” Joran, K2 and Paulus,” there is also Paulus and all those other Higher Powers along with all that corruption & coverup = Jannsen, Van der Stratten, Ben Voking, Ben King, Bob Smit, Dennis Jacobs, and on and on……

      “Arresting the 2 black security guards was a tactical move”, so was what you have said in your post about Paulus. So if anyone doubts Paulus is Daury, think again – many times over.

      What will it take for the house of card [sharks] to fall??? No wonder Joran aka The Lamb was so cocky and arrogant about himself and the higher powers.

      j 4n !!!

    61. Carpe Noctem on February 11th, 2008 11:59 pm



      PATRICK: Did you resuscitate her (Natalee), Joran?

      JORAN: Yes, I shook the b*tch, and everything!



      Would you please define for me the word

      > ‘EVERYTHING’


      You no good dirty li’l T-Bucket.


    62. Mike on February 12th, 2008 12:55 am


      I would prefer to hook Paulus up to an electric chair.

    63. JusticeforNatalee on February 12th, 2008 1:06 am

      What’s Joran’s parents’ case?

      A few weeks ago, the parents of Joran van der Sloot appeared with me in the Dutch talk show Pauw & Witteman. They asserted that Joran was a boy with a good upbringing, who always treated girls with respect. They also stated that if they had any indication that Joran was indeed involved in the disappearance of Natalee, they would have gone to the police immediately.


      On this occasion, Joran’s mother – who was in the Netherlands at the time of Natalee’s disappearance – gave me the impression of a kind, honest woman, who loves her son dearly, but has no idea about what really made him tick. However, even naïveté has its limits, which I feel she should have reached after watching our program.

      Especially in the USA, Joran’s father is seen as someone who knows more about the case than he is willing to let on. He was indeed on Aruba at the time of the disappearance, and later advised his son not to say anything to the police during questioning. According to Joran, his father has devoted himself to filing compensation claims.

      In conversations recorded by us, Joran expressly denies that his father was involved in Natalee’s disappearance. However, many see his assertion that on the night in question, his ‘helper’ urged him to ‘get home quickly because he had to go to school the next day’, as an indication that his father could indeed be involved.


      There is also something else that Joran admitted to Patrick in some detail. He said that when visiting him in custody after his initial arrest, his father Paul van der Sloot, who was a Judge at the time, smuggled a mobile phone to his son. The story comes across as highly plausible, and implies an unforgivable transgression by the Judge/attorney.

      This story, casually related by Joran, could understandably cast Joran’s parents’ role in a very different light from what they would have liked us to believe during Pauw & Witteman. It is, after all, in their best interests that everything Joran has stated be dismissed as fabrications. Any veracity afforded to Joran’s statements will effectively also ‘hang’ his father for smuggling the mobile phone into the prison. In that case, he would undoubtedly be disbarred as an attorney, with his reputation in Aruba in tatters. Until recently, the parents enjoyed a reasonably respected position on the island. That reputation will be history, should it be verified that Paul van der Sloot deliberately sabotaged the investigation into the disappearance that has caused Aruba so much damage.


      If the parents’ earlier pronouncements were in earnest, one would expect that following our program – during which their son admits his involvement no fewer than ten times – they would confront their son saying: ‘enough is enough. We are going to the police and you will tell them everything that happened. You will not reserve your right to remain silent for another instant.’

      This did not occur, however. Instead, Joran issued a statement through his attorney, saying that all his pronouncements were made while under the influence of marijuana joints and that his litany of admissions is a bizarre fabrication. Surely the parents must realize that this is a cheap attempt at a cop-out, that actually also works to the benefit of father Paul. If everything is a fabrication, then so is the story about the mobile phone. Contrarily, if everything is in fact true, it will undoubtedly be assumed that the story about the smuggled mobile phone is true as well, with appropriate consequences.


      Anyone who has done any thinking, or has themselves smoked marijuana, must surely realize that Joran’s story about the joints just doesn’t hold water. During the course of five separate drives, on different days – sometimes separated by more than a week – Joran made extensive confessions. His confession was confirmed and repeated during each subsequent drive. Not once did he say that last time, while under the influence of marijuana, he had been sprouting a lot of hot air. On the contrary. ‘Coincidentally’, the bulk of his admissions fall perfectly in line with the vein of the earlier police investigation, and in them, Joran provides answers to several open-ended questions (how he got home, what he did with his shoes, the involvement of the Kalpoe brothers etc. etc.).

      Furthermore, I have to point out that there were several drives during which he either DID NOT smoke marijuana, or only did so AFTER discussing Natalee’s case. The TV footage shows this quite clearly. He made and/or repeated confessions even while he was ‘as sober as a Judge’. Or does Joran now allege that when Patrick came to pick him up him at around noon, he had already got stoned sitting on his grandma’s sofa?


      But even if he was already stoned – which I don’t believe – the question remains whether he would suddenly start to confess to all manner of bizarre crimes of which he is actually innocent? Or would the parents and grandma now like us to believe that he was in the daily habit of confessing to unsolved murders each time he rolled a reefer??? Of course not. A marijuana joint does not have that effect at all. If it did, the corridors of police stations in the Netherlands and elsewhere would be chock-full of marijuana users, spontaneously confessing to all manner of unsolved crimes. That is, of course, not the case. Joran’s story is untenable. In my opinion It’s simply the only excuse he could think of to explain his constant confessions – an explanation that suits his parents just fine. After all, it is now also in their best interests….

      Peter R. DeVries

    64. Deetch on February 12th, 2008 2:02 am

      From October 2005

      Sunday, October 30, 2005
      Natalee Hollowy: Still on the island of Aruba and not in the ocean

      “I’ll do anything to protect my son” Paulus told Dave Holloway. Protection from what? Being framed for a crime he didn’t commit? In Aruba? I don’t think so.

      You were protecting him from the truth and from the consequences of his actions.

      The “I dropped her at the beach” story may have been believable if told initially. But it wasn’t, it couldn’t. Paulus had not finished with the evidence. The no body no crime mantra did not yet apply.

      First they needed a distraction away from the beach and away from the van der sloot property.

      The Kalpoe’s and Joran van der sloot were able to get a pass on a story but the security guards were not, even though they too had a story and it was the truth!

      It took 10 days to figure out that they had not lied. The van der sloot lie was accepted immediately.

      But so was Paulus, friend of the police, close friends of the Police Chief. A father compelled to action in his warped sense of parental responsibility. He failed yet again as a judge.

      The first was not realizing his son’s social life was costing more than his own.

      A father whose idea of spending quality time with his son was in a casino gambling. A father who didn’t see the literal wall he built by allowing his son to have his own apartment, without paying rent, he taught him nothing. He created a life for his son that he wanted for himself. But he created a monster, predator and now a rapist and murderer.

      The 3 suspects are often excused for lying because they were scared. The same scared suspects would not have been capable of making Natalee disappear along with all other evidence so completely in such a short time frame. And, the ocean is not the likely resting place for Natalee’s remains. The timing of the 2 stories is key to understanding why Natalee’s remains are not in the ocean.

      That first night, the police either decided or were told not to bring the Kalpoes and Joran van der sloot into custody, which is normal procedure when dealing with missing persons. Eliminate suspicion quickly, but in this case they could not follow procedures and eliminate suspicion so they needed time, and a story.

      This is the moment Paulus van der sloot took control of this investigation. Took control to solve a crime and then to un-solve a crime, to protect his son, Joran van der sloot. Paulus thinks that if he can work the legal system it will somehow change history. He thinks that winning is only in the courtroom. But Paulus, you’ve already lost.

      Mr. Van der sloot would know what to do with evidence and how to misdirect the police, the ones he works with every day. He would know the best place to get rid of evidence.

      The landfill is a place that would require legal authority and approved resources to search. Evidence gets buried deeper and deeper each day.

      It’s tedious and dangerous work.

      But the landfill, nothing looks out of place because everything is out of place.

      The ocean would require a boat and the risk of being seen. Keep the crime insulated in as small a circle as possible, no chances. And it needs to be done quickly.

      When his father said ‘no body no crime, he was describing to the 3 suspects what he had done with the evidence. This is when they came up with their second story.

      Paulus van der sloot is the only one who knows where Natalee is buried.

      He would do it alone to insulate himself and Joran and rope in Deepak and Satish and find a way to blame it on them if need be.

      He would certainly have thought to pass blame on the Kalpoe’s if he could but he could not.

      Just what did they do that necessitated killing Natalee and making sure she would not be found. There were early reports that she “hit her head, she fell and they all had sex with her.” Too bad about the Kalpoe’s. Now you must live with the knowledge that they could drop a dime on you at any moment. Sleep well? Or have you thought about getting rid of them too?

      There still is no corroborated timeline from the night Natalee disappeared. The parents of the suspects only lend more suspicion and not less.

      This is very, very disturbing.

      Steve Croes, Paulus van der sloot and Mrs. Kalpoe cannot corroborate a consistent timeline to account for the 3 on the night Natalee disappeared.

      There is no proof or evidence of any kind that links Natalee to anyone else after she was with Joran van der sloot. No corroborating evidence that Joran’s second beach story is even true. So how did the Kalpoe’s get involved and why are the Van der sloots and Kalpoes holding a proverbial gun to each other’s head?

      Dompig is steering Dave away from the landfill.

      He claims he is acting on rumors of stolen fishing equipment. A story that has been around for months but without evidence. Did they fingerprint the huts? Rumors?

      Natalee’s remains get buried more each day in the landfill.

      How can anyone doubt that Paulus van der sloot is running this investigation?

      Aruba is a business.

      Aruba is worried about tourism and not justice. Instead of calling in help from the FBI they hire media consultants to advise them on damage control.

      Instead of asking the FBI they form committee’s to fight the negative press.

      In classic and destructive style they are pointing the finger back at their largest customer.

      They have shown a textbook example of how not to manage a crisis. In any form of commerce when a vendor not only doesn’t take care of a problem but also blames the customer, you only enrage the customer even more.

      The racism angle exists for sure. No one likes to admit it but when the world saw the arrest of the 2 black security guards, we thought: case closed. A tragedy yes, but we’ve seen it before.

      When news came that they were released and the last known person to be with Natalee was the son of someone who works in the prosecutor’s office, that’s when Aruba was blindsided and blinded.

      Then, just when confirmation of Natalee’s death comes on the news, a close friend of the suspect’s father replaces Chief Dompig and Aruba officially retracts the “story.”

      And Aruba cannot understand the negative press?

      Unless and until the investigation is focused on Jan van der Straaten and Paulus van der sloot Aruba will continue to dig itself a deeper hole. A timeline of Paulus’ action and contacts will reveal his solving and un-solving of this crime. Your customer’s want answers and deserve answers.

      The bottom will come on November 11th when a judge and not the Police will decide that Paulus is no longer a suspect in the case.

      This has become a clubby legal exercise where the lawyers and judges demonstrate that they are above the law with some entitlement to the equivalent of diplomatic immunity.

      Paulus van der sloot unsolved this case because he controlled the evidence and it’s destruction. He then fashioned a story to fit his version of a lie. He used his son and the Kalpoe’s as pawns. He did what his teenage son did, create fantasies and then believe them. Comfortable in the courtroom with his nose in books yet runs from the cameras and cowers in his house while Natalee’s father is down the street looking for her remains.

      The Dutch in Aruba have options in Holland and will lay waste to the island before they depart.

      The locals don’t have that option.

      What irony. If American dollars carry so much consequence why then was the FBI not fully in charge from the beginning?

      Who said, “Americans value life, we value death?” Any guesses Holland?

      Cowardly men with false pride and a father who thinks he is doing what all fathers would do. Unfortunately, Paulus van der sloot hadn’t noticed what a failure he really is. Trying to revise history via the legal system won’t unring the bell that is Natalee Holloway. Your team of lawyers and manipulation with connections will not raise your stature anywhere, especially not in the eyes of your son. Nothing can replace the moment you showed who you are, running like a scared rabbit, running from your own truth.

      You may walk on November 11th but you’ll always be running. Running from the truth, for the rest of your life and the lives of your family. Your son, the rapist and murderer, Joran van der sloot.

      Look out your window and see a man, a father, Dave Holloway. He dug through a landfill looking for his girl. Can you comprehend that? The girl your son “dropped at the beach.”

      Even standing on a landfill looking for the remains of his daughter, Dave Holloway is still more blessed than you ever will be. Now he wants to say goodbye to his beautiful and accomplished daughter.

      And what are you doing? Paying lawyers to keep your son in lies, working towards a career as a casino greeter? You and your family are a freak show.

      There are no coincidences and there is no mystery. Mystery is a word used by lazy and slovenly nanny state employees that have lost sight of right and wrong.

      Natalee’s history is not unlike Aruba’s. Once beautiful and simple. Now gone, corrupted by the Dutch, hiding behind greed.

      Paulus van der sloot; there is always time for redemption, that’s a gift from God. You are one confession away from redemption.

      It takes courage. What’s that, you don’t know what that is? It’s not in the courtroom surrounded by a cadre of lawyers.

      It’s in Beth Twitty as she knocks on doors in Aruba. It’s in Dave Holloway as he stands among your wasteland looking for his daughter.

    65. Dolf on February 12th, 2008 2:52 am

      btw. I also smoke weed and smoking weed doesn’t do that with your brain.

    66. Daniel on February 12th, 2008 4:09 am

      In my opinion I think joran is still leading everyone away from where Natalee is. He is dangling another carrot in front of us and we are following. I have no clue if he dumped her in the sea or she is on land, I could believe the sea if she was taken farther out than a couple miles and was in something heavy. I simply believe if she were just dumped at sea , eventually she would have washed up on shore. I read a post here on scared monkeys from a gentleman named Jerry, and he is talking about the landfill, and Im more inclined to think that is where she is as well. If what jerry is saying is true, then think about it, joran did mention that ,basically they were close, very close to finding her and in the same sentence he said something to the effect of, no, no, they will never find her. I can’t help but to think her remains are still on the island. If you don’t want someone finding something you lead them away from it. Make smoke to cloud things, this has been so well masterminded and I also believe Paulus is the brains behind this. As a father, I also agree with most everyone here, joran would of called his Dad, thus take it with him to his grave, he had said. Daddy sloot is as deep in this as joran. I also believe the Kalpoes are just as guilty, you had 3 horny boys and one drugged girl, at 17, whats on your mind but sex. I don’t believe they started out to kill her, just have sex with her. I believe Natalee was coherient enough to figure out what was coming down and refused him and he got ugly from that point and I believe she fought for her virtue and her life. I have no clue if the Kalpoes had sex with her or not, but Im sure they were there and they do know what happened.

    67. jasper on February 12th, 2008 4:23 am

      Dear Scared Monkeys. Thanks to people like you, the Natalee Holloway case will never be closed, untill Justice for Natalee is done.

      First a detail, the Dutch prime minister is visting Aruba, to meat with the President of Aruba. the Natalee Holloway case will be on the agenda.

      Second of all, please stop comparing Aruba and the Netherlands as if they are one entity. The situation is rather much more complex than that. On top of that, it was a Dutch Crime journalist who partly cracked the case.

      Then third, legally, “How much more of a confession do they need to arrest Joran van der Sloot?”, does not hold in The Netherlands, nor in Aruba, because it is based on prove by provocation. On top : a convesion with hidden camera only holds in court, if a Judge ahs given the allowance to use one.

      Then last, we (in the Netherlands) have criminal departments and a legal system to solve cases. Peter R. De Vries did not provide any evidence that will stand in court. Basically, he found the record numer of watchers (allmost half the Dutch population watched his show), more important than coming up with any evidence that will hold in court.

      Fact is : the case made a giant step, now it is looking for more evidence and witnesses. However, for all of you who want Joran fried, I think he will get away with 2 years juvenile court, if it is true what he claimed in Peter R. De Vries show, which will be reduced by the months he was in jail.

      With best regards,


    68. WHERE'S NATALEE, AZZHOLE JORAN? on February 12th, 2008 5:26 am







    69. Diane on February 12th, 2008 7:58 am

      I agree with Jerry – Natalee is buried on land somewhere. In Joran’s confession he states If they find the girl, I am in deep S_____ because they will find my semen in her.” Not if she was in the ocean they wouldn’t. She’s buried in tact on land.

    70. Sharon Chicago on February 12th, 2008 8:27 am

      #67 Jasper glad you are not God! God knows what Joran did to Natalee and justice will come forth on her behalf. Joran will pay for his crimes. The world is watching Aruba and the Netherlands!

    71. Scott on February 12th, 2008 9:10 am

      jasper – whatever….go away….

      he won’t be tried in juevnile court, he would be tried as an adult…get your facts straight bucko!

    72. Dolf on February 12th, 2008 10:02 am

      Jasper, lever geen kritiek hier, hoe goed gefundeerd het ook is, zitten ze hier niet op te wachten. Dit is geen open discussie.

      Jij zegt iets zinnigs, zij zeiken het af.

      btw. Sharon, there are more important things then the Holloway case

      Darfur, Sudan, Somalie.

    73. Richard on February 12th, 2008 10:44 am

      Holloway’s Parents Await Judgement On Appeal

      Monday, Feb 11, 2008 – 06:46 PM
      By NBC 13 Staff

      Natalee Holloway’s parents are anxiously awaiting news from Holland about whether the chief suspect in her disappearance will be re-arrested.

      A three judge panel is now considering an appeal from Aruba’s chief prosecutor.

      He’s asking the three judge panel to overrule a single judge who is refusing to allow Van Der Sloot to be re-arrested.

      Investigators in Aruba questioned Joran Van der Sloot on Friday in connection with the Natalee Holloway disappearance and his secretly taped video confession.

      Prosecutors said he again denied any role in the teen’s disappearance more than two and a-half years ago on the Dutch Caribbean island.

      According to the prosecutor’s office, Van der Sloot claimed that he had been under the influence of marijuana when he said in a secretly taped video that he had been with Holloway when she died.

      In the video, he said that he’d had a friend dump her body at sea.

    74. Richard on February 12th, 2008 10:48 am

      Kayjay’s (#5) post is extremely important. We not only want to see JvdScum arrested, we want to see him charged, kept in jail, and tried.

      (And convicted.)

      An arrest in and of itself accomplishes little … indeed, it makes it all the harder to have him arrested yet again.

      If Natalee is indeed in the ocean, then let’s hope the Persistence discovers her remains.

    75. Richard on February 12th, 2008 10:50 am

      And, of course, we want the same for any and all accomplices, whoever they may be. And, I think, an investigation into the “investigation” that would include having van der Straaten, Dompig, Jacobs, and how many others questioned under oath.

    76. boywonder on February 12th, 2008 2:07 pm

      Was Paulus rejected from being a Judge because he was

      1. a gambling addict?
      2. failed a drug test?
      3. a sexual pervert?

    77. molly in houston on February 12th, 2008 4:13 pm


      56 & 57, MD

      Amen!!!!!!! Keep on telling it like it is……

      AND, 59, thank you very much.

      I don’t see any point in posting on here if everyone is going to be summarily ignored except for a select few. I haven’t even seen some of these names before and yet they monopolize the posting and the responses. Are we not ALL in this together?

      justice for natalee
      boycott aruba (ape’s hole)
      molly in houston

    78. gk on February 12th, 2008 5:15 pm

      Just signed up for the forum. If I need to do something else, please let me know.

      Thanks to the Monkeys for all of the good heartful ways they help others.

      Also, Klaasend, you really are not thanked enough. THANK YOU!

    79. gk on February 12th, 2008 5:26 pm

      Know you signed off (said good-bye)the other day, but don’t go away yet. Think you have too much time and work invested to leave.

      You are on to something.

    80. Carpe Noctem on February 13th, 2008 1:14 am



    81. jasper on February 13th, 2008 6:40 am

      @ Sharon : First of all, what God does or does not do, has nothing to do with what the Dutch or Aruban Justice departments will do to Joran. Second, you claim the world is watching to Aruba and the Netherlands, I can guarantee you that even the last hick-up of Britney Spears draws more attention than this case.

      @ Scotty. As I said, and I really do not like repaeting myself, Joran will be sentenced according to juvenile court. The maximum sentence he is possible to get is 2 years. Of course the months he was in pre-arrest will be substracted. Whether you like it or not, it´s the Dutch law.

      @ Dolf, geeft niet, gewoon doorgaan. het is vaak overigens, jij zegt iets zinnigs, kritiek wordt niet geplaatst.

    82. Dolf on February 13th, 2008 9:09 am


      Of je zegt iets zinnigs en dan komt 1 van de mods (die Red, niet Klaassend) en komt dan toch met een bot commentaar.

      and yes…it does seem silly that the Britney affair gets more coverage then important stuff

      Guess you yanks value the Britney escapes higher then the mass raping and killing going on.

    83. SUPER DAVE on February 13th, 2008 11:11 am

      gosh folks, we now have two comedies airing. the karel & charlie show and the newest edition, the dolf & jasper show. tune in for more laughs now airing daily .

    84. Dolf on February 14th, 2008 2:43 am

      83, we are not talking about laughing matters.

    85. Disgusted and angry US Citizen on February 14th, 2008 11:18 am

      What the hell is taking so long? Rearrest that scumbag and the lowlife parent.

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