Joran Van der Sloot/Peter R. De Vries Tapes: Why Some Pundits in the Natalee Holloway Case Should be Seen and Not Heard

 

Spare us the spin that Joran Van der Sloot made a “false confession”. Joran’s attorney Joe Tacopina floated that concept early after the Peter De Vries tapes were released and it was shot down immediately. Tacopina referenced the concept that “false confession” exists and then in the next breathe said, but not in this case. However, it would appear that his fellow partners in crime, defense attorney, have followed his lead.

Here is a helpful hint to pundits who discuss the Natalee Holloway case … know the topic that you are pretending to be an expert on. This message especially goes on to Defense attorney Ann Bremner from the Nancy Grace show.

There is nothing more pathetic than to hear an attorney on a cable show pretend to know what they are talking about just because they are an attorney. There is also nothing more hideous than defense attorney forwarding an agenda of one of their own.  The comments seem to be even worse when one listens to a defense attorney ramble with some on the most ridiculous excuses for suspects. In this case its using the theory of “false confession”.

How could anyone compare two cases that were more different in how the suspects handled themselves with regards to confessing to a crime?

(Go to minute 5:25 to hear the comments in question)

GRACE: OK. Out to the lawyers, Randi Karmel, Richard Herman, Ann Bremner.

Ann Bremner, you`ve got a guy that says I hope you don`t find her body because my semen will be in, on, and about the body. You`ve got him describing her underwear and he`s accurate according to her mother. This is not just caressing on the beach. Now he says she died of a convulsion and he disposed of her body?

ANN BREMNER, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, Nancy, either this is another iteration of statements he`s given before, which there have been scores of different statements, or in terms of the confession and proving this case, remember John Mark Carr. I killed JonBenet, coming home with the shrimp and a champagne. And, in fact, he didn`t. They tried every which way to show that he did it, but in this case, there is corpus delecti, no evidence.

GRACE: But the big difference – Ann, Ann, I appreciate that. Thank you.

BREMNER: Yes.

GRACE: Randi Karmel, the difference is that Joran Van der Sloot was seen by witnesses with her the last known person to be with her when she was alive. He confesses that he had sex with her. I can`t imagine that that was voluntary. And then disposes of his – of the body. Now, if it had been an innocent death, an accidental death, why not call 911, Randy?

Actually, the difference is that not only was Joran Van der Sloot one of the last known people ever to be seen with Natalee Holloway before she disappeared forever. Joran Van der Sloot had denied any involvement in Natalee’s disappearance or death from the outset. Joran has never admitted in an interview or in statements to police that he had involvement in the crime. (That is statements that we know of unless any were destroyed from 5/30/05). Until the Peter R. De Vries tape was released, Joran had denied all. Now, when he thought there was no camera or public audience … he made the admission and confession.

Let’s compare that to the situation with  John Mark Karr’s “false confession as defense attorney and so called pundit Anne Bremner wants to do. From the outset John Mark Karr stated that he had involvement in the crime against Jon Benet Ramsey. Karr never said he did not do it, then he did, then he didn’t. He admitted that he killed Jon Benet and stuck to the story. Even after it was determined through DNA that John Mark Karr had no involvement in the Jon Benet murder case, he still insisted he did. John Mark Karr wanted to be found guilty.

The two cases have absolutely nothing in common when it comes to the “false confession” defense. To say that “false confession” is what Joran Van der Sloot did is just plain lazy punditry. Joran Van der Sloot has denied all involvement from day one and has lied along the way in his denials. Maybe it’s time that cable shows get pundits on that know the subject matter and are familiar with the cases, rather than the only criteria being that they are a lawyer.



If you liked this post, you may also like these:

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  • Natalee Holloway: Dave Holloway and Peter R. De Vries Discussing the Joran Tapes on Nancy Grace
  • Why did Joran Van der Sloot Mention on Video Tapes … That is Parents Had no Involvement in Disposing of Natalee Holloway’s Body?
  • John Q. Kelly and Joe Tacopina Discuss the Peter R. De Vries New Evidence and Confessions
  • Natalee Holloway Disappearance: Dutch Journalist Peter R. De Vries Nominated for 2 Emmy Awards




  • Comments

    19 Responses to “Joran Van der Sloot/Peter R. De Vries Tapes: Why Some Pundits in the Natalee Holloway Case Should be Seen and Not Heard”

    1. Betsy on February 10th, 2008 11:17 pm

      Hi To All:

      Punch the following into the You Tube search box:

      Peter R de Vries- Joran-Holloway EN Subs

      http://www.youtube.com/

      The first 4 segments of Peter’s show will come up with English subtitles. Every couple of days someone adds a segment. There are 8 or 10 in all, I think.

    2. Betsy on February 10th, 2008 11:19 pm

      FYI: His program totally kicks ass on anything you will see on American TV covering this case. Peter did a very professional job on this program and clearly knows the case inside and out!

      http://www.youtube.com/

      Peter R de Vries- Joran-Holloway EN Subs

    3. weasel on February 10th, 2008 11:36 pm

      Peter is the Man. The Best.

    4. Betsy on February 10th, 2008 11:37 pm

      Peter R. de Vries lowers the boom on Joran, Anita and Paulus. You don’t want to miss this one. I cheered out loud!

      Peter is our new hero!

      http://www.peterrdevries.com/news-parents-joran.htm

    5. LilPuma on February 11th, 2008 12:21 am

      Peter and Patrick – good guys
      Joe – bad guy

      On one of Greta’s shows this week, Tacopina tried telling Greta that Joran has had such a tough go of it the past 3 years and he’s really changed. This was one of Joe’s reasons for Joran’s cold calculating behavior with Patrick. Greta said she didn’t think he’d had such a tough time and Tacopina said he gets daily death threats, false accusations, arrests, etc. As if we didn’t know that that’s why Tacopina was hired — he still wants to get his 33% out of whatever Joran gets from Fox, Dr. Phil, Nancy Grace and anyone else they can think of. If Joran isn’t charged and convicted of involvement, I think Tacopina will go forward with it. Greta did bring up with Beth the fact that Beth had talked about the cocky SOB the night she arrived in Aruba, a much different persona than when Greta interviewed Joran.

    6. Carpe Noctem on February 11th, 2008 12:27 am

      Thanks for the links, Betsy!

      …..

      I wonder if the data traffic on that

      cellphone that Joran’s failure of a father

      smuggled in to him can still be traced, recorded,

      and tracked in 2008? :)

      He was only held in a couple of locations, so

      assessing the tower it came off of should be

      ‘NO BIG WHOOP!’ -j4n

      ….

      Natalee TV

      http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=gensing7000

    7. LilPuma on February 11th, 2008 12:43 am

      I missed Nancy Grace the night DeVries was on, but I’m watching a replay of it tonight. Peter said he does believe Joran will eventually stand trial for this; the Dutch investigators and Aruban police are working very hard on it. Nancy tells Peter that some criticize him for crossing journalistic lines on this. Peter replied: So what. I did what was necessary. Go Peter!

    8. Carpe Noctem on February 11th, 2008 12:55 am

      When I think of the amount of monetary loss & human wreckage that no good POS Joran Van der Sloot has caused SO MANY PEOPLE over just a span of just 3 short years…

      Why any country would
      want that tish-ball within
      1 mi/km of them is BEYOND ME!

      I would drop kick that lousy, no good swizzler’s

      SORRY ASS directly through the football field

      uprights! LOL

      That loser is truly THE GIFT THAT KEEPS ON GIVING.

    9. downloadingdaddy on February 11th, 2008 12:56 am

      #4 Thanks for the link Betsy, good article, Devries blasted Paulus and Anita good.

    10. Wang cares on February 11th, 2008 7:08 am

      What ever happened to boycotting anything that’s Dutch? Peter R. de Vries is Dutch so why not boycot him?

      Also, don’t think De Vries does this to help anyone, but himself that is! He’s about as “Mediageil” as they come (as we say in Dutch).

    11. Scott on February 11th, 2008 7:39 am

      For some people including Joran, Taco and Bremer….STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES!

    12. Sahara on February 11th, 2008 8:41 am

      De Vries may be mediageil as you say, but he has done what no one else would do and it’s only the tip of the iceburg.

    13. kelly on February 11th, 2008 10:15 am

      I wish De Vries would send undercover spies to
      the vanDer Sloot house. Bug them!!! Wouldn’t
      that be a great tape.

    14. kelly on February 11th, 2008 10:17 am

      Anyone on these forums that defend him should be checked out because the only people that could defend the psychopath are involved or Joran himself or maybe mom.

    15. LilPuma on February 11th, 2008 10:57 am

      Check out Betsy’s link for more articles. Apparently De Vries was on the cover of many magazines in The Netherlands. One says “Peter for President”.

      http://www.peterrdevries.com/news-parents-joran.htm

    16. Paulus and Joran are Losers on February 11th, 2008 11:42 am

      We can hope aruba keeps the delicious sporter
      and delicious sporter mother and father.

      the Evil island deserves them. as tourism continues to sink, the regular people will suffer and continue to blame the sporter family.
      and frankly i dont care. i dont care one bit.
      not even a little. they didnt care about Natalee
      and what goes around comes around. if they were too stupid to realize that sporter was lying from the beginning, well what can i say.
      when you sleep and defend with killers and liars
      you get what you get.
      I think Anita has to be dumber than a sack of rocks when it comes to what constitutes “sporters”

      if being a delicious sporter constitutes drugging, drinking, gambling, raping, stealing
      well what can i say.
      ANITA – put the heroin needle away and wake up
      you are married to a loser and you raised one

      please stay in aruba where you belong

    17. Joran is a Terrorist on February 11th, 2008 11:44 am

      joran will never step foot on american soil again. bye bye college. go grow some weed
      delicious sporter ?????

      HAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAAH

    18. arubian on February 13th, 2008 3:53 pm

      MEDIA HEISA

      This whole Natalee “coverages” is a media heisa of unproportional history. The “revealing tapes” of mr Peter de Vries turned out to be a total fiasco since no guilt was pleaded by Joran. Even if he did it will be very easy to say as he is doing now “I was high”. He might as well say I am fooling you all again, why would you belive me? I always lie don’t I??? So we think to know when he lies and when not. Let me refresh your mind a little bit about statements as “this could not happen in the States or Holland”. In the O.J. Case there was TWO bodies, blood so much a bloodbank could have used for a year, foor imprints, bloody socks, gloves, taxi driver witness, strange behaviour (driving around in a bronco for hours followed by cops), threatening phone calls conversations, and you know what………..NOT GUILTY. And if we have to believe the statistics every single day people are missing in the USA and Holland. So let the manhunt starts!!!!!!!!!!!

    19. Party Gal on April 14th, 2008 5:29 am

      TIP:

      Q: Where is Joran?

      A: Holland.

      I would know, I partied with him all weekend.

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