RSSStatement from the Aruban Prosecutors Office Regarding Joran Van der Sloot and the Natalee Holloway Investigation … I was High on Marijuana
So what happens when a suspect in a crime gets caught telling the truth? EXCUSE … EXCUSE … EXCUSE!!! Joran says he was high. Actually one would have to be stoned to believe he was not involved in Natalee Holloway’s disappearance as he admitted to.
Joran Van der Sloot was questioned by Dutch investigators for 2 hours in the 
Netherlands today. In typical Joran Van der Sloot fashion, who has an excuse for everything, he claimed that he was under the influence of marijuana when he said in a secretly taped video. Marijuana made you lie? Really, if anything pot would lower your inhibitions and make one say things that they would usually not. Maybe Joran was using it for medicinal purposes? So Joran states he was under the influence of marijuana on the tapes. Maybe Joran would like to tell us what Natalee Holloway was under the influence of when in less that 1/2 hour he left Carlos N’ Charlies with her, and she was never to be seen from again.
It would appear that Joran always has an excuse for every lie he tells. If he is not scared, he is embarrassed. If he is not embarrassed, he is high on drugs. How about the fact that that you were caught with your pants down bragging of your claim to fame like all sociopaths wind up doing. After all this time, this is the defense you are using? You were high? You were not high Joran … you were caught!
ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) — Aruban investigators in the Netherlands again questioned a Dutch college student Friday in the Natalee Holloway disappearance as they sought a court order to detain him as a suspect based on a hidden-camera interview.
Police questioned Joran Van der Sloot for about two hours, and he again denied any role in the May 2005 disappearance of the American teen in the Dutch Caribbean island, the Aruban prosecutor’s office said in a statement. The 20-year-old Van der Sloot was detained previously in the case but was released for insufficient evidence.
Van der Sloot, who was accompanied by a lawyer, claimed he was under the influence of marijuana when he said in a secretly taped video that he was with Holloway when she died and that he had a friend dump her body at sea, the prosecutor’s office said.
The Dutch Suspect Insists He Was Stoned and Made Up ‘Confession”
The Aruban prosecutors released a statemenent as well:
Oranjestad, Aruba
To all media
From the Public Prosecutor’s Office
Date February 8, 2008
Pages 1J.v.d.S. interrogated at Police Station in Rotterdam
This morning, between 10:00 – 12:30 hours (Netherlands time) the police interrogated J.v.d.S. at a police station in Rotterdam. J.v.d.S. was interrogated by police officers of the Aruban Police Department and the Netherlands National Police Department. His lawyer was present during the interrogation, which lasted about two hours.
During the interrogation Joran Van der Sloot indicated that during the conversations he had in the car he was under the influence of marihuana. Furthermore, he sticks to his statements made earlier during the investigation. He denies to have anything to do with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.
The decision of the Court of Appeal of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba is crucial to the possibility of further interrogations of J.v.d.S.
As already stated on February 5, 2008, the Public Prosecutor’s Office lodged an appeal against the decision of the investigating judge to deny the re-detention of J.v.d.S.. The decision of the Court of Appeal is not expected until after the weekend.
Under the direction of the Public Prosecutor’s Office, the Aruban Police Department is still investigating this case. In the interest of the investigation, the Public Prosecutor’s Office appeals to the press to please refrain from a witch-hunt or private investigations or fishing expeditions (all this in the broadest sense of the word),
The Public Prosecutor’s Office doesn’t fail to notice that the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway draws a lot of interest from media and general public. However, this interest seems to be turning into a witch-hunt in which several persons are being harassed.
The Public Prosecutor’s Office regards this as not acceptable. In the first place, without any confirmation persons are being labeled as a suspect, and harassed as such. In the second place, journalistic investigations and the subsequent reporting thereof, at a time the investigative team is still busy trying to get an answer to many questions, can seriously harm the criminal investigation. Not only does it cause a lot of unrest, or may generate misinformation, it may also harm the outcome of the investigation itself, e.g. when witnesses questioned by the judge at trial can’t be sure if they witnessed something themselves or they know a fact from the media.
Without questioning the value of freedom of the press, it would be desirable if the press would act a little distantly for aforementioned reasons.
Posted February 8, 2008 by Scared Monkeys Aruba, Bizarre, Crime, Joran Van der Sloot, Missing Persons, Natalee Holloway, WTF | 101 comments |
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aruba where you just expect the worse
School in Aruba according to Anita van der PIG:
Okay kids, yesterday we covered important lessons in spelling. We learned that the most important letters of the alphabet are G-H-B. Again, repeat after me, G-H-B.
Good! Today’s lesson is about sex. You can go to bars this weekend and try it out on the tourist girls. Okay, so you take the G-H-B and you slip it into the drink of the girl once she is not looking. This will guarantee your luck once you lure her away. Okay, so take her someplace secluded. Are you with me?
After lunch we will go over choke holds, pinning and raping. That is the plan for physical education class.
Next week we will learn how to cover crime and get away with murder. These lesson plans I took directly from my son, Joran. I am so proud of Joran. He’s such a good boy and he always treats girls properly. That’s my boy!
I will teach you all of the lessons of Joran. My the summer we will have a new crop of little rapists. It will be so much fun!
Reading this crap makes me feel stoned.
I find myself saying “yeah, whatever man” like some alien creature is making up this stuff.
It’s like some mangled tortured PR interns wrote this.
Joran has always been playing the victim card = EXCUSES, BLAME, COMPLAIN, JUSTIFY. How PATHETIC!! No one believes Joran and Paulus are innocent.
Also, in case you guys missed this –
“Some MORE Special Thoughts” on Paulus and wanting him out of every single committee that the government has, hospital, prison, etc.
On Greta tonight: Watch from the beginning, here’s some highlights.
JOSSY MANSUR: “…As things now stand, they [prosecutions office] have to remember the person who broke this news, the person who got Joran talking was a JOURNALIST, NOT a member of the prosecution..”
GRETA: “……It was this Dutch journalist that got the prosecutions office a second chance…..”
JOSSY: “….THAT’S CORRECT BECAUSE HE [DEVRIES] DID WHAT THE PROSECUTIONS OFFICE COULD NOT DO IN MORE THAN 2 1/2 YEARS…”
JOSSY: “ …… TODAY THE MINISTER OF JUSTICE DECLARED HIM A PERSON OF NON GRATA. AND TODAY THE MINISTER OF JUSTICE ALSO ANNOUNCED HE IS GOING TO GET RID OF PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT FROM EVERY SINGLE COMMITTEE THAT THE GOVERNMENT HAS.”
AND…….
JOSSY: re: [Persona non grata] “ …. I don’t have any legal consequences because Joran is a resident of Aruba, he can not stop him from getting there, but he wants him to know publicly and for everyone else to know that he is not welcome here, and that finally the light has come true with the government, that THIS IS THE GUY RESPONSIBLE, NOT THE AMERICAN MEDIA, NOT THE LOCAL MEDIA, HE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERYTHING NEGATIVE THAT HAS HAPPENED TO ARUBA.”
Greta: “And what is it he said about Paulus, the father……?”
JOSSY: “HE WANTS HIM [PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT] OUT OF EVERY SINGLE COMMITTEE THAT THE GOVERNMENT HAS. HE IS STTING ON A COMMITTEE AT THE HOSPITAL, HE IS SITTING ON A COMMITTEE THAT TAKES CARE OF CERTAIN ASPECTS OF THE PRISON HERE IN ARUBA, THEY WANT HIM OUT OF EVERYTHING.”
J 4 N!!!!
“A witch hunt”! Bwa ha ha ha ha
BOYCOTT ARUBA!
Under the direction of the Public Prosecutor’s Office, the Aruban Police Department is still investigating this case.
…
Well, if they haven’t come up with anything in two 1/2 years, what’s the chance they will now ?
What aspect are they investigating ? Kind of late in the day I would say.
This is an interesting You Tube video taken by Jossy way back of Gerald Dompeg discussing the three boys and possible charges of rape.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymSWgZm6ivo
Then all of the polis are stoned cuz they lied to
do you think after all this time the Arubans are finally starting to get it? If they shun Paulus and Joran, maybe they will gain some international respect????
This cover up has gone too far already! It’s going to take more than shunning these losers to get tourism back to Aruba!
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!!!!!
Hey aruba why don’t the hole island get stoned and eat sh*t
I thought joran told Greta that he was not going to talk to the police any more because they were not NICE to him.
BOYCOTT ARUBA UNTIL THEY CLEAN UP THEIR ACT.
Joran, I lied, well I think I lied, I’m not sure, I do most of the time, I can’t really tell…I don’t even know who I am!
How many brain cells do you have left Joran???
A DRUNK MANS WORDS ARE A SOBER MANS THOUGHTS, So Joran, spare me the BS.
Anita’s lunch delivery:
Two extra large pizzas, all toppings
Four steak hoagies, loaded
2 Large Fries
12 Wings
1 Spaghetti and Meatballs
I’ll call later for dinner!!!!
I would like to see an estimate of how much money the van der sloot’s have cost Aruba and Holland. A very expensive family for sure. If they are not wanted in Aruba and Holland..where do you think they will go to next? And if he had told the truth and given up the body 2 and one-half years ago, he would be half way through his jail sentence. In Aruba murder carries a sentence of 3 to 8 years plus a $19.98 fine. Wow, what a classy place to vacation to.
America please please please come back to Aruba!
We go broke because a few dozens tourists were drugged and raped and we covered it up.
From now on, we promise – NO MORE COVERUP!
Of course, we still will kill you.
From the Office of His Highnass Prime Minister Fetid Mongrel Arawak King aka “Lion King”
I wonder if the ALE EVER questioned Paulus about the McDonald’s scenario…the ATM scenario…and checked his cell and home phones to see if he had calls from Joran that night.
I just cant imagine what it would take for the ALE to arrest this kid.
excuse me if I’m wrong but didn’t Joran ask for the weed after his confession?
http://tinyurl.com/3ygozd
As the mother of 5 sons (they use to smoke pot when they were teens), I am incline to believe all of this story telling by Joran is a crock. First of all, that tape, I did not see a “stoned” Joran talking. He seemed pretty sober to me. Second, it really does not matter if he was “high” during the taping, as the reaction to pot is like a “truth serum”. For real! If a mother wants to know the truth from her son, ask him when he is high. They always tell the truth and spill the beans as to their whereabouts and what they did. As for the tape, I believe that Joran is working us all. He wants the world to see him as a kid who reacted badly when Natalee supposedly had a seizure (crock). He conviently has tried to cover for the brothers and of course the person who dumped the body doesn’t exists (as the man had an aliby). I believe Natalee died horribly and I believe alot more people are involved. I have observed that countries abroad “Hate American Tourist” even though they gladly take their money. They see us as pigs. I believe they hate our leaders also. Somewhere I read that Natalee bragged about having money and liking Bush. That could of angered Joran and his buddies and I see them torturing Natalee (after druging her), Raping her repeatedly, and possible killing her with an object (gun or knife). I believe his missing shoes probably have Natalee’s blood all over them. It would not surprise me if he, his friends , and family are involved in a secret society. They don’t show guilt and the families reaction all along has been most disturbing. Why does Joran act proud of himself? Like the cat that ate the canary. Past stories say “something bad happened”. Well guess what it isn’t over. Something Bad will happen again. Mothers and Fathers, keep your daughters indoors, keep them very close. Keep them very, very close and away from the “Jorans of the World” and Oh, America! Time for us American to Travel the U.S.A. It just isn’t safe abroad. We can stimulate “Our” economy and if along the way “something bad happens” , you can rest asure that our government “WILL” punish the culprit!!!
The only reason Joran quickly ran to the police is because he had finally told the truth to Peter and he needed the police’s help to get the last or the one he is clinging too, lie back on track. Joran is a user of more then pot. He thinks by using the police in this fashion he can some how save his reputation. Yeah right! Sounds like a plan cooked up by JT while smoking pot!
The funny part is the government helped the Sloots with the cover up when it served governments purposes. The minute Paulus became heavy baggage and was no longer an asset, they pardon pun, through him overboard.
What the ALE should do is take both Joran and Paulus out to sea a couple of miles and toss them both over board and pull back a few yards and tell them you want to live, start telling the real truth. If they aren’t satisfied with their stories then just head back to shore. The world with be a better place without either of these two scumbags.
HOSSY: “HE WANTS HIM [PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT] OUT OF EVERY SINGLE COMMITTEE THAT THE GOVERNMENT HAS. HE IS STTING ON A COMMITTEE AT THE HOSPITAL, HE IS SITTING ON A COMMITTEE THAT TAKES CARE OF CERTAIN ASPECTS OF THE PRISON HERE IN ARUBA, THEY WANT HIM OUT OF EVERYTHING.”
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They should have taken him out of the prison commitee since the day his son landed in jail. The prison committe of the same prison that was directed by Ben Vocking, the man that arranged all the moves of the investigation, saying what could be searched and what not?????
Paulus and Vocking arranged for the disposal of the body. Vocking was never questioned, so he could be the person whose the name Joran is planning to tak to the grave.
Forget Joran. Arrest Paulas. Joran will talk then.
I wonder if J-urine was drug tested yesterday. He might have been HIGH which caused him to LIE AGAIN!
A witch hunt? Not such a bad idea.
No License required
No Bag limit
Open season all year long
Tis Mac Beth “Enter the first Witch”
Joran it is you!
Well, they can’t close the case now if they are going to believe Joran when he said he lied. What happened to Natalee is still up in the air if they are going to believe Joran when he says he lied.
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Jossy said paulus was on the board of the HOSPITAL? Isn’t that where Rene worked? And isn’t that where there is an incinerator? Whatever, it sure wouldn’t look good for Mr I’m on the Hospital Board to bring in a drugged teen tourist his son slipped a micky to and then lost his temper on.
I’m with Deetch…this crap is making me feel stoned!
The bottom line is corruption and CYA on a minute by minute basis- CYA being in the form of lies….Joran isn’t the only one lying! They all lie! That’s corruption!
What the prosecutor is really trying to prevent is a public / private investigation to continue further and drill down into the original sabotaged investigation. I wonder why?
Answer – If all facts were to become known, down would go JVS, PVS, along with all their lying friends and Aruba Officials who have covered this up from the beginning and continue to do so. Looks like they are all starting to feel some real heat and doesn’t that just look great on these lying slimeballs.
Is there any way, as sure as God made little green apples, that Oduber could actually NOT have been updated properly by his inept and corrupt staff? Could we ever entertain the thought that he is so far over these clowns, that he simply accepts whatever they’ve told him, and now he is so embarrassed that his false macho bravado will not allow himself to admit his Polis, investigators, and others made horrific miscalculations in 2005 and since? Well, it’s possible, but do pigs really fly? Not likely.
I have been saying all along someone needs to talk to Van Der Straton. He is definately involved.
#24 JO:
Love it…very clever!
Devries thinks that Joran will go to trial, maybe not next month he said, but that he will go to trial.
It is scary that Paulus is on the board for the Hospital…. Does it have a incinerator?
That female attorney who was part of Greta’s panel last night should not have been on…she comes out blasting about the ALE on their behalf NOT even knowing the history of Natalee’s case and how corrupt the ALE is.
It made her look stupid … Greta seemed to try to bring her up to speed and that was a waste of time. Please Greta don’t put people on the panel who do not know the history of this investigation!!!!
60% of the statements made by criminals are under infuance of drugs in the Netherlands, will all those people be relased now
As soon as Joran opens his mouth he lies
He told the truth that he lied in his confession
Therefore the confession must be the truth
he’s never going to confess to murder, that would mean he goes to jail. this punk is smarter than the aruban/dutch justice system. there is plenty of evidence, the arubans just don’t want to admit they covered up the investigation. remember back in june/july 2005 and american nurse snorkling ~ 100 yards off the marriot beach found human shoulder/arm bone and the aruban polis department said it was a animal bone and threw it away. the nurse is better trained than a polis officer. i think judge smit needs to be taked off the case due to conflict of interest, he’s paulus friend and commrade.
i think de vries/abc news should contact the nurse that found the human bone with some flesh/meat attached and all the other evidence that disdappeared. plus investigate karen the former prosecutor, the polis department and reveal to the world the corrupt aruban gov’t. that will make for some real head-line world news.
#18…Sherry: I wonder if the ALE EVER questioned Paulus about the McDonald’s scenario…the ATM scenario…and checked his cell and home phones to see if he had calls from Joran that night.
I just cant imagine what it would take for the ALE to arrest this kid.
Sherry, exactly!
brie #15: You forgot the small diet coke!
How could none of the guards and or prisoners who were in cells next to Joran, unless he was isolated from other prisioners NOT NOTICE THAT HE WAS TALKING ON A CELL PHONE??????? … No matter how quiet he would have been…. Didn’t that check his cell that he was in from time to time?
THIS STINKS OF CORRUPTION ONCE AGAIN…
Paulus you and Anita might want to consider early retirement and perhaps moving back to the Netherlands.
I’m a habitual pot user and I can tell you that weed does not make you make up stories than ALL of us. If the prosecutor and investigators by this crap, then the cover up reaches further than Aruba. Medical experts will tell you that weed lowers inhibitions.
The cat is out of the bag. Joran f’ed up when he willingly and under no duress told Patrick that Natalee went into convulsions. The seizure detail revealed what THE WORLD ALREADY KNEW based on Jacobs question to Beth and Jug 48 hours after they arrived on the island.
Joran, good luck in life buddy. Nobody believes you. Aruba does NOT want you back!
#7 Betsy…. his is an interesting You Tube video taken by Jossy way back of Gerald Dompeg discussing the three boys and possible charges of rape.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymSWgZm6ivo
BETSY: Thanks for the link … makes me wonder what has the Dutch done in their complete investigation of this case this past year after taking it out of the hands of Aruba???? They have seen this video and all the statements…
What about the Kalpoe statements of rape, why has there not been any charges brought forth? Can anyone answer that, other than the fact that Aruba does not want justice for Natalee????
I don’t think they needed to weigh Natalee down with a crab trap and rocks, even though a trap went missing that night. Think about it; all they would have needed to do is travel to the area where there are sharks (all three suspects say Natalee wanted to SEE sharks) give her a small cut and toss her into the water. The sharks wouldn’t leave anything to identify and no chance remains float to shore.
On Greta last night Joe T’s mouthpiece was again portraying Joran as the victim. He has been hounded. BS–if he would have come clean in the first place all of this would be over by now.
Don’t feel sorry for him. He is getting a free college education. The Dutch/Aruba system is like that of many countries in Europe. If you are able to get into college it is a free ride. Most Dutch/Aruban students come to the US or the Netherlands. He has the world open to him but he chose to take a different path. He could have kept a low profile, finished school and gone on to live someplace in relative obscurity. My daughter was studying in France when Natalee went missing. She only saw one news story about it. My point is he didn’t have to get mixed up with Patrick to try and get into some illegal scheme to get rich quick. Now it’s too late for him. The whole world seems to know about the latest chapter of his life.
Justice for Natalee Holloway and SHAME ON YOU ARUBA!
#43 Betsy… Yes on one hand and no on the other… I say this based on the fact that Stacy Peterson’s body floated to shore after Scott dumped her in the ocean.
If they had an inclination that she could float back to shore they would have put her in the cage. Just my theory on it.
Bigger question: WTF did the dutch investigators do in aruba for all those weeks ??????????????????????
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Do the investigators even know what they did for all those weeks or where they stoned as well
Nostradamous (spelling ???) warned us of the coming of a new anti christ !!! Even the guy who framed urin: He is new spiecies
33. Dutch. Good point.
Also, on Dana Pretzer’s show, a former Secret Service Agent said that most confessions are not 100% true. But the Dutch team of investigators and Hans Mos are up against the original corrupt investigation and they know there are those in Aruba whom they can’t trust. I think the Dutch team and Hans WANT to solve this case. Let’s not get in their way with threats and such. DeVries got the ball rolling again, got some excellent evidence and info AND exposed Joran (on two continents and at least one island) for what Beth and Monkeys knew him to be. Maybe the investigators will get more cooperation now that Arubans and Dutch know we’re not looking for a scapegoat in JVDS, but have good reason to believe he has the answers to Natalee’s disappearance.
Sorry Monkeys but after seeing that Aruban investigators allowed Joran to come in and “talk” to them (while Hans Mos vacations) and yet tell them the same olds lies and then walk out – tells me the World knows the truth about Joran now, but Aruba ain’t gonna do squat.
They will blame the US press, DeVries for showing the tape too soon and whatever else they can latch on to, but they ain’t gonna do a thing.
As we said some time ago, you could show Aruba a tape of Joran confessing to the crime and they’d come up with a reason – well they have. The delicious little sporter was high and now the US media, trying to report the case, is hurting their 3 year investigation.
From song sung by Delbert McClinton, “if you can’t lie no better than that, you might as well tell the truth…”
For Joran’s greatest hits,
“I wouldn’t trust me”
“If if was lying I would tell you”
“The truth is I was lying”
“I took her to her hotel”
“I dropped her off with two black security guards”
“No wait, we really went to the beach”
“I left her on the beach”
“Deepack came and got me”
“No Satish came and got me”
“No wait, I walked home”
If is wasn’t a tragedy, it would be comical.
In 2005 he wasn’t lying, but telling the truth, and now in 2008 he is lying and that’s the truth!
Don’t let him off, he is a monster.
And Anita, shame on you! You knew, you did nothing. Come forward now, tell what you know about Paulus and Joran, save yourself, confess now!
44. KrisG. :::waves::: Good to ‘see’ you again. I missed Greta last night and after reading your post I’m glad I watched a show about a guy who rescues monkeys (chimps actually) in Africa. Even my television set cringes when Joe T. comes on.
Remember when Van Der Straaten was asked on 6-11-05 by a Dutch journalist if he had any hopes for a positive outcome? Van der Straaten replied, “You always have to be hopeful, but I don’t believe anymore that we will find Natalee alive.” When asked why not, van der Straaten replied, “Because I know the details of the investigation and you don’t!”
AND when Bon Dia reported on 9/19/2005, -that Ex-Commissioner Stanley Zaandam said, “the body of Natalee Holloway may have already been found and CVP (Police Commissioner) looked the other way to do a favor for Paul Van der sloot. To exculpate the son of Paul, the CVP and fiscal Chief Prosecutor Karin Janssen made the false arrest of two ex-security guards, Jones and John, called this a “tactical maneuver” and denied them their freedom another 10 days.”
And ALE refused to take any forensic evidence from those last seen with the missing person for over two weeks.
Now they try to tell us that’s the only kind of evidence that is admissable to their court.
Just how stupid do they think we are?
Remember the last time they taped the boys in the back of the Aruban Policia car? One of the Kalpoes said,”That lie was for you Joran”
Remember when they brought in Stephen Croes? They knew he had a boat? They already thought she was disposed of….The Vander Sloots have been running a mis-direction game from the start.
It wasn’t until Anita came back to the island that the official story by Joran was changed to “I left Natalee on the beach”
Anita the mastermind of her monster son’s involvement in the rape, abuse and eventual demise of Natalee.
They arrested two innocent black security guards to allow themselves 10 days to destroy evidence, make alibi’s and cover up. Shameful!
Remember Stepen coming foward with an alibi, only to realize that the cover up had already began and he didn’t get the memo?
Remember one one of the Kalpoes saying “They find the girl you will get 15 years”
“Your own father”
No body, no case”
But Anita was the master mind of the coverup. She thought she could save her husband, her son and her reputation.
Kalpoe…..screaming from the back of a police car……..”That lie was for your Joran”
Joran’s nightmares are finally catching up to him, he can no longer live with the death of Natalee. He wants to talk. He wants to tell all. Let him smoke some more weed, let him sing and rat out all the rats………
Justice for Natalee!
JORANS CONFESSION: He went on to say that he was “just incredibly lucky that she’s never been found. Because if they found that girl, I’d be in deep [excrement].”
I AM WONDERING… Joran mentioning how lucky that she has never been found … makes me question if they were ever close to finding her…kind of like she can be “found”…if they are lucky enough to look in the right place…
He is saying it is “luck” that has kept them from finding Natalee….
1.) was she thrown in the dumps and Joran lucked out because they did not find her?
2.) was she temporarily buried on the beach somewhere for a period of time and it was just luck that the searchers did not find her?
3.) was she buried at the Vandersloots compound and it was luck she was never found? Although how could they bury her there while Paulus’s two younger children were at home unless Joran took them for a ride etc.
4.) That they have not found her off the coastal shores, it is lucky?
Bottom line his comment, makes me think it is possible to find her.
#38….ha ha ha and so I did, maybe we could also add, your smallest salad please..oh and don’t forget you always need to send two people for dinner delivery…
43 Betsy and 45 SharonChicago. All this time, we’ve listened to the lies and they all seem to be covering for what really happened. She was drinking and doing drugs. She wanted to see sharks. She said she never wanted to leave Aruba. I left her on the beach. She fell and hit her head. I left my shoes on the beach. These are the early lies before J2K knew her body would likely not be found. That’s why I don’t think J2K know how Natalee’s remains were disposed of. Someone took care of that for them. (Paulus enters, stage left.) Not Daury. I doubt Paulus left this up to one of Joran’s gambling buddies. We know that Dompig was cooperating with Dave and Tim until they wanted to bring in FBI equipment for a deep water search. All indications of what most likely really went down. Unfortunately, it’s not evidence.
De Vries said in one interview that Joran was not smoking pot during every taped conversation, only a few of them, and he obviously was not stoned the second he got into the car. Joran repeated the same story numerous times during his rides with Patrick, it’s obvious he was not stoned the entire time. Also, Joran’s claim that he confessed to impress Patrick is bs, it’s obvious the story he told would not be impressive to a hardened criminal, as he thought Patrick to be, since Joran comes off as a sniveling wimp the way he tells it, nor would it be impressive to a decent person. The authorities had to take Joran’s statement, but I think everyone knew how it would go. I don’t think they were going to rely on his statement to crack the investigation, so I am going to give Mos the benefit of the doubt for now, and assume they are still working to find corroborating evidence, and nothing is over yet. De Vries seemed sure that Joran would be arrested and face trial, and I am going to stay hopeful for now that it will happen. I think the people who derailed this investigation in the beginning (Jan Van Der Stratten, Jacobs, etc.) are no longer involved, and the Dutch are looking closely at this case, so I remain hopeful that no further cover-up attempts will be successful. At least for now.
Paulus states that he called the school to tell them Joran may be sleepy (cannot find where I read this and would like to know the date he said this). Then states that he knew Joran was at the casino the day after Natalee went missing. Why would a father allow his son to go out gambling the week of final exams…Oh, I guess to be sure that he is on “camera”?
JORAN = PATTY MCCORMICK WHO HAD THE LEAD ROLE IN “BAD SEED”…
Patty plays a precocious ten year old who has all of Jorans sociopath behaviors …. and acts so sweet at times in front of some people but kills others….
Joran = Bad Seed!
55. Sharon Chicago. I took that to mean that there is evidence of how she died and if they found Natalee, it would show it wasn’t an accidental death. Deepak said in the police car that “if they find the girl, they’ll see that #$%^”. But you’ve got me thinking now. I do believe that Joran initially hid or buried Natalee, then someone came back to make sure there was “no body, no case”.
59. Carol. B-I-N-G-O Joran says to Patrick that he went to the casino Monday to be on camera. This is when Natalee’s body was moved.
Wondering if they found ANYTHING incriminating on Jorans hard drive when they raided Grandma’s pad?
Joran is so stupid there might just be some emails to collaborate with some of his previous statements given….
Devries says he thinks Joran will eventually go to trial and that is what I am banking on….
#57
I totally agree. I dont think Paulus would have repeatedly said ‘no body no crime’ unless he was TRULY confident there would be no body. A person would not be THAT confident unless they were the one that had taken care of the situation.
I am still wondering about Paulus’ ATM transaction.
Karen in #20 is totally correct in saying that “pot” acts like truth serum….so even if he was smoking it, and I fail to believe he was stoned, I believe that he, after all his years of doing all kinds of drugs and alcohol (he started at 12 or 13 years of age), has a certain built up tolerance. I had a problem with my youngest while living in Florida…she was using “pot”, the Sheriff told me to get her talking as soon as she comes in, while she is still “high” and I’ll get the truth!!! Tacopina has NO case using that. Besides, I wonder WTH hired Tacopina and if they are still paying him. This is really a serious point….Tacopina is a VERY high priced NYC criminal attorney…how did he come to get hired by Dutch ex-pats living in Aruba, and who, by the looks of their lifestyle, on a reasonably inexpensive island, are NO WHERE near affluent…..An attorney, who’s wife evidentally needs to be employed, should be earning a salary that would provide a more comfortable residence. Ever notice that PVDS and JVDS heads almost reach the ceiling in their very modest abode….even the Kalpoes home looks better…..Look at the homes of some of the other suspects arrested, Lorenzo, for example, their houses are mansions in comparison……yet the wannbe Judge, has the means to hire a Mafia mouthpiece???
When Joran was a child, Aliens abducted him. They conducted many experiments on him and came to the conclusion that he was defective, so they brought him back home and erased his memory of the event.
They tortured Anita and enjoyed every minute of it. They gave Paulus a riddle he could not solve, but to most it was a simple math problem. He was working on the solution while they tortured Anita, and did not even notice. The torture in no way involved sex. They just pulled her hair, and pinched her fat butt.
The aliens thought about taking Joran’s brothers for experimentation, but the site of them caused nausea and diarrhea.
From their encounter with the sloots, they came to some conclusions:
1. Joran is genetically defective, and a liar (big surprise!). 2. Paulus is a genius in his own mind. 3. Anita is ugly, and fun to torture. 4. Joran’s brothers don’t bathe or brush their teeth and are sickening to be around.
Jerry
I think AHATA is funding Taco Joe…why do we always hear from that mouthpiece, who is Joran’s lawyer in Aruba now…they want Joe talking in the US so he can defend Joran in our media….keep the American tourists coming, keep planting seeds of doubt…
Remember initially we heard from Carlos, Joran’s attorney in Aruba, he told Karin that Joran was guilty but she would have to prove it…
Joran confessed in the beginning but everything went into cover-up…Aruba said and did things to make people believe they were working hard to solve the case….it was all a show…The original plan was just to say she disappeared…end of story…however, the plan didn’t work, Natalee’s family came looking for her and started the search….so now we have to arrest someone, OK, the black security guards…that one sure failed…just shows the world how horrid they are!
IMO Natalee is in the sea…she also had a severe blow to the head along with being drugged by Joran…
We’re all hoping for the Persistence…gosh I hope they don’t run out of money and have to discontinue the search…that would be terrible, especially after all their hard work…
We have got to find some way of getting a lot of funds to this group….pronto!
Most people who smoke marijuana… the only thing they attack is a pizza. IMO he probably was using more than that.
51. Deetch. Yes, I remember. I copied this from Hasibokos in the summer of 2005. The link no longer works as the site was shut down for awhile and then reopened, but this is what I had saved:
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/11/2005
Van der Straten doesn’t believe Natalee is alive (Friday): While Chief prosecutor Karin Janssen stated this week that they don’t have any indication that Natalee Holloway is dead, during an interview this week Police Superintendent Jan van der Straten told the reporter that he doesn’t believe that Natalee is still alive. Maybe this should only be interpreted as his personal opinion but the fact remains that he has inside information and knows how the investigation is going. So he is basing his opinion on the facts. With regard to Natalee’s status, van der Straaten gave the following statement to a Dutch reporter:
Rep: Hebt u nog hoop op een goede afloop?
Jan: Hoop moet je altijd hebben, maar ik geloof niet meer dat we Natalee levend zullen terugvinden.
Rep: Waarom niet?
Jan: Omdat ik het onderzoek ken en u niet.
HBK-Translation:
Rep: Any hopes for a positive outcome?
Jan: You always have to be hopeful, but I don’t believe anymore that we will find Natalee alive.
Rep: Why not?
Jan: Because I know the details of the investigation and you don’t !
The story was published by a couple of newspapers in The Netherlands yesterday and today. You can view one of the Dutch reports here in Haagsche Courant (local newspaper of The Hague)
B.S. They are not worried about the press interfering with the investigation, they are upset that more than just internet bloggers are getting a chance to see the obviousness of the cover-up. IMO
On the tapes, Joran says he moved Natalee to the Mangrove bushes while he used the payphone and waited for “Daury” to come help him. I’m thinking this could be a thoughtprint for burying her while they figured out what to do. This would match the earlier story (by Dompig?) that she was first buried and then moved.
Yes DeVries is an honest man and doesn’t want to believe that he did all of this for not, but then I don’t think DeVries has worked with the likes of Aruba before.
Mark my words, they will only go through the motions. I wish of course this wasn’t true. and I think it’s terribly dangerous to Joran. Joran will not make something of his pitiful life unless he gets help.
Mortella on February 9th, 2008 9:35 am
And ALE refused to take any forensic evidence from those last seen with the missing person for over two weeks.
Mortella,
If you remember, they did take cheek swabs (the mouth) from all three. Then the next thing we hear is that they could not use the evidence because it was obtained illegally.
Makes you think that they must have had some evidence that they wanted to compare the DNA to. This has always been a mystery to me.
I know in the beginning, that they said they found male DNA on Natalee’s toothbrush, which doesn’t mean a thing, except someone used her toothbrush, or there was a mix-up in toothbrushes before she left home (yuck).
If they were trying to determine who’s DNA was on the toothbrush, then I can understand the testing of the trio.
I know no one wants to hear this, but there may have also been DNA on underwear, and they were trying to determine who’s it was. Semen remains in underclothing even after washing. Bleach breaks it down, and testing can no longer be done.
If you remember in the Coby Bryant case, they said the victim had seamen from 2 other males in her underwear. They lead you to believe that it was recent, but it could have been months old, and the underwear may have been someone else’s. (She did work as a maid in a hotel, and would have access to ladies underwear that was left behind). The prosecutor did a poor job.
Jerry
Marijuana and Hash are legal in the Netherlands used much like alcohol is in this country. Does that mean when you are high that you can not be held accountable for your actions or communication?
I am confused If Joran is using the fact that he was stoned as an excuse for lying than what about all of the lies he told when he was NOT stoned.
It is crytal clear that he is a Liar that has been proven over and over and over….but…being stoned is not an inducement to lying rather and more likely it would create the condition that one’s guard would be down enough for the truth to leak out. It seems the only people that don’t get that JOran and his family are invovled in the Murder of Natalee are the Netherlands and Aruban law enforcement agencies…..and maybe that is because drug use is legal in those countries and they are all too stoned to see the truth even when they have it on tape…Kids this is a lesson on drug use….this is a perfect example of your brain on drugs just look at the Netherlands.
I agree she is most likey in the ocean but I like to keep considering other possiblities…
I keep thinking that dad was powerful enough
to have her body removed from the island by a small plane and taken anywhere or dropped
200 miles out at sea. Remember he is dirty so he probably has drug dealers who owe him. What is the info about the ATM that night and didn’t something come out about a large amount of money
changing hands. If I were Joran’s dad with alot of power and contacts on that small island I would be thinking of how to get her body FAR away. Someone on another site said that is a
“space alien” theory and that everyone knows she is in the ocean off of Aruba. Kinda hurt my feelings…is my idea totally impossible????
Who has the most authority and power over Aruba?
The whole world needs to bombard this person with demands for justice. The corruption and coverup are evident now. The police need to be held accountable for letting this drag on almost 3 years and allow the Holloway family to suffer even more. They need to answer for what they did as much as Joran. I hope they all rot in hell.
That’s semen, sorry.
Jerry
WITCH HUNT i can not belive that came from the prosecutors office,Those words came from Jorans own mouth no gun was put to his head.
posted by Tamikosmom in the forum; from NBC13.com
Thursday, Feb 07, 2008 – 02:41 PM Updated: 03:26 PM
By Jennifer Hale
Thursday, Aruban prosecutors are scheduled to meet with Joran van der Sloot in Holland. Van der Sloot has not been arrested – he’s meeting with prosecutors voluntarily.
The topic of discussion: his secretly recorded confession. If convicted in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, van der Sloot could face as little as a few months in jail or as much as life in prison, but first it will take a lengthy legal battle to even bring him into court.
According to Dutch and Aruban law, Joran van der Sloot’s secretly taped confession by itself isn’t strong enough to have him re-arrested, let alone bring him to trial, since he now says he made the story up. But van der Sloot’s confession is giving prosecutors some new clues where to look for additional evidence, and Natalee’s family has more insight into what may have happened to her.
Van der Sloot’s confession is hitting Natalee’s family hard. Van der Sloot says he was lying, but Natalee’s family says for once – they think he’s being honest.
“Oh absolutely – I watched him intently: his mannerisms, his tone of voice. I’m absolutely sure that’s the truth., ” says Paul Reynolds, Natalee’s uncle and Beth Holloway’s brother.
It’s not just a gut feeling either. Natalee’s father Dave Holloway arranged for the confession to be tested through voice analysis equipment that detects lies. Holloway says the test’s result: a truthful, valid statement. Except Holloway believes the story goes on from there.
“A lot of people on tv are afraid to say it, but I’m not: I think there’s more to it, ” says Dave Holloway.
He suspects van der Sloot slipped Natalee drugs – a common practice in Aruba’s night clubs. Holloway says a detective warned him about it the first day he arrived in Aruba.
“He repeatedly told us, and I’ll never forget: He says watch your drink around here because drugs are prevalent and somebody may slip something into it,” says Holloway.
One of the more common drugs in Aruba: GHB, also known as the Date Rape Drug in America, but in Aruba it’s commonly used as a party drug, one you can even order at some bars.
“You can buy a drink and pay a bartender $25, and he’ll put it in it, ” says Holloway.
In his confession, van der Sloot described Natalee’s condition on the beach that night: trembling, that turned into shaking and then nothing…an unconscious state van der Sloot says he couldn’t wake Natalee from… symptoms Samford University’s Dr. Pam Sims says could describe someone who’s been given GHB.
“Generally when they pass out, it looks like a coma. They are not arousable. That is generally caused because they’re blood pressure drops so low, ” says Dr. Pam Sims, Pharmacy Chair at Samford University.
In his confession, van der Sloot says he checked to see if Natalee was dead before deciding to drop her in the ocean, but Dr. Sims warns that’s a call van der Sloot wasn’t qualified to make.
“Lay people may not be able to detect pulses that are very faint or breathing that’s very shallow or irregular,” says Dr. Sims.
If van der Sloot’s confession is true – Natalee may have been alive when she was thrown into the ocean.
“He claims he shook her and she didn’t arouse- that doesn’t mean she’s dead, ” says Dr. Sims.
“We try not to think about because it’s too painful to imagine,” says Reynolds.
Dutch media reports claim fifty percent of Holland’s population watched the tv report about the secretly recorded tapes. Newspapers are full of stories and opinion columns about the alleged confession. Now the country’s Parliament is bitterly debating whether lawmakers should step in and review how the case is being handled.
Aruba’s chief prosecutor is fighting to have van der Sloot re-arrested and brought to trial, but so far a Dutch judge says no.
“He put the threshold very, very high because this is the third consecutive time you’ve asked me for this in two and a half years time. Well, this is serious, but he thought it didn’t meet his threshold, ” explains Aruba’s Chief Prosecutor Hans Mos.
If an arrest happens, this would be the third time Aruba has taken van der Sloot into custody for Natalee’s disappearance. Every time the prosecution asks for permission to re-arrest, their burden of proof increases.
According to Aruban law, a suspect’s own words can’t be used against him and there’s no such thing as perjury. Consequently, a judge needs something to back up van der Sloot’s confession. However, right now, there are several reasons the judge doubts van der Sloot’s confession:
The accomplice van der Sloot says dumped Natalee’s body has come forward and says the story is made up. The phone booth van der Sloot says he used to call the accomplice is actually a credit card only phone for tourists that just connects to the United States. Plus, van der Sloot says he abandoned his shoes the night Natalee died in a drain on his walk home, but Aruba doesn’t have street-side drains.
The Aruban Prosecutor’s Office says investigators are searching for the needed back up evidence. If they can find it, they are considering charging van der Sloot with:
Aiding and Abetting First Degree Murder, which carries a maximum sentence of life imprisonment; Injury to Health Causing Death, which carries a sentence of six to nine years; Accidental Death, a sentence of up to nine months; Illegal Disposal of a Corpse, a sentence of up to six months and Not Giving Aid to Someone in Need, which also carries a sentence of up to six months.
If van der Sloot is ever brought to trial and convicted, he would get credit for the time he’s already served in jail. Aruba’s Prosecutor expects a higher court to answer his appeal to re-arrest van der Sloot by next Tuesday.
Perhaps our “boycott Aruba” movement is proving to be even more successful than we thought.
On Friday, a company called Aruba Networks (no connection with the criminal island that I know of) plunged 37% in value on the Nasdaq. I believe that was its biggest one-day fall ever.
So when we say boycott Aruba … we mean the one in the Caribbean!
How is Aruba going to justify wanting to kick PvdScum off of the committees on which he serves … when Aruba has already cleared him from suspect status?
When they were analyzing Joran’s DNA, I thought for sure they had found Natalee’s body; and perhaps they had.
When the DNA samples were ruled to be obtained illegal, how could that be? I think, but I’m not sure, the prosecution messed up, because they did not allow the defense lawyers access to the evidence they were comparing the DNA to for a match.
What this evidence was is a mystery. Could it have been a body? Could it have been clothing? Could it have been the clothing that the ranger was holding up in the photo? I’ll say something about the clothing if anyone wants to hear.
Jerry
This one is sick but plausible;
All think that at least part of the ALE is involved. They have a few helicopters with a few hundred mile range. If that is what was used to dispose of Natalee; that could have been anywhere within at least a fifty mile radius of the island once her body was uncovered. Or, delivered her into sex slave trade as well.
Remember the reporter or investigator said he was tracking someone that looked like Natalee but before he could get there a helicopter took off and left real quick like???
So what happens when a suspect in a crime gets caught telling the truth? EXCUSE … EXCUSE … EXCUSE!!! Joran says he was high. Actually one would have to be stoned to believe he was not involved in Natalee Holloway’s disappearance as he admitted to.
********** Says it all *****************
AND *************
The Aruban Prosecutor’s Office says investigators are searching for the needed back up evidence. If they can find it, they are considering charging van der Sloot with:
Aiding and Abetting First Degree Murder, which carries a maximum sentence of life imprisonment; Injury to Health Causing Death, which carries a sentence of six to nine years; Accidental Death, a sentence of up to nine months; Illegal Disposal of a Corpse, a sentence of up to six months and Not Giving Aid to Someone in Need, which also carries a sentence of up to six months.
~*~*~*~*~*Key word, verbage that has me very worried from above, however is : “Considering” and …If Joran’s case ever MAKES IT TO TRIAL…. ~*~*~*~*~*
Aruba’s Prosecutor expects a higher court to answer his appeal to re-arrest van der Sloot by next Tuesday.
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Seeing is believing, folks. I will continue to expect the worse possible outcome in this case as far as Aruba’s legal system is concerned.
However, Joran is toast. Even if he gets off (LIKE OJ did and we all KNOW he DID IT!)….his life will now NEVER be the same. Worse, for JDVS actually (because he was not a celebrity beforehand). Joran’s nightmare is only just beginning “Phase II”. By Phase III, he’ll be dead. It serves him right for being involved in the taking of a life of a beautiful, innocent girl inaddition to all the other harm he has caused MANY, MANY people.
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE !!
America needs to stop supporting the Netherlands in their one and only commodity “Drugs” that is their biggest source of income they are in the business of transporting DRUGS.
Americans need to avoid any country under their authority becuase it is clear it is NOT safe!!
It is CLEAR their will be NO justice or vindication for the Hollway’s they are the Victims not the Van Der Sloot’s!!!
The CIA needs to add to their site for safety travel a DO NOT TRAVEL advisory!!!
God Bless the Hollways…..
Van Der Sloot will answer to a higher power one that their government can NOT manipulate…Karma is gonna make them pay one way or the other…
75. Kelly. Many do believe that Paulus helped make sure there was no body to be found. Whether or not that’s true, I don’t know. Even if it is, we don’t know where or how or by whom. Not a space alien theory at all. You must have posted on a site that loves to love a van der Sloot.
Why was the search not allowed at the Monster’s of Montanya home?
That is where Nat was – not the beach.
They moved her the next day.
Anyone have a link where Dave Holloway stated that he saw The Monster of Montanya the Elder, driving by, at the Lighthouse dunes when they were going to search there….
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=X9lhaoaL4SY
Translation:
My das’s got a Ferrati, two Ferrari’s!
And a Porsche..
I was born in the wrong body.
I used to own two small tyrannosaurus rexes in a terrarium.
I was in the same class of Harry Potter, you know. At the magicschool.
Maddie McCan…
Cono I once bit a grown horse to death.
I watched Nancy Grace last night with Beth on.. She said there is more to the tapes, they didn’t show on 20/20 and was shown in Holland and even more than was shown there. She said Joran says he didn’t want to call the police, because his SP*RM (didn’t know if I could put the word here).. would be found in her and around her.. One can not consent to sex when they are at the stage of alcohol or drug poisoning. The dr on the show also said healthy people that age do not die like that from alcohol and drug poisoning. We all know why they hid the body. How many times and how many lies everyone has told to cover up and make excuses for a sociopath?! Who wants him out on the street?.. He’s just an accident waiting to happen IMO. He lied because he had a gf, because Natalee’s family was there, because he didn’t want his father to know, no it was the Kalpoes who lied, he lied because he was on pot, blah blah.. Can’t believe people play along with his bs. He seriously needs help. I guess he also said the Kalpoes helped him cover it up on the tapes. I am surprised they aren’t saying the tapes were altered, due to editing them for time.
Only in LULU land can blood turn to chocolate and pot make you confess to crimes you had nothing to do with, people can investigate their own family and friends, a girl with spotless reputation be turned into a druggie and alcoholic, slut, whore, bitch, to accomodate a sociopath and his pathetic family.
79. Justice4natalee. Thanks for the article. Can’t use what a suspect says against him? Then why haul them in and question them? No perjury? No wonder Nadira says “we all lie”; there’s no consequence for doing so.
Katablog, I accepted the challenge, you issued the other day, of donating $10 to Texas Equusearch.
All of us Monkeys here have devoted lots of time following this case, and for most, a part of our heart is dedicated to Natalee and her family. So what is $10 (or what you can afford) to us, when it could assist in complete closure for the Holloway family. I am in no way patting myself on the back when I say I was able to donate $10 when my sole income is from a disability check, I am just saying, if I can do it, so can you. Accept Katablog’s challenge!
In attempts to get the message out further, I posted a link to the Persistence Blog on Digg.
http://tinyurl.com/ywndy5
I urge everyone that comes to Scared Monkeys to log into the Digg site and click digg for the article. The more clicks it gets, the more attention it gets, and hopefully will end up on the Digg front page.
#79 JusticeforNatalee
“Dutch media reports claim fifty percent of Holland’s population watched the tv report about the secretly recorded tapes. Newspapers are full of stories and opinion columns about the alleged confession. Now the country’s Parliament is bitterly debating whether lawmakers should step in and review how the case is being handled.”
Which Dutch Parliamentary Lawmakers are pushing the debate to “review how the case is being Handled”? I think letters written to these Parliamentary Lawmakers would be well worth the effort. I am certain they would welcome information to support their position for a review. Can anyone get a list of these Dutch Lawmakers?
JO (#92) … Maybe the Dutch Embassy would be forthcoming with some info on that. I’ll try to look into it next week.
EvilLive (#83) … I long thought that this might have been the case. But in my view, it would have been Joran or Lorenzo who handed her over to some of their drug contacts, or perhaps Paulus vdScum.
But I’m giving up on this view, unless we get some extraordinary information out of the blue.
In the Amy Bradley case, we know that there were several sightings of her following her disappearance, including at least one in which she used her name.
The most recent sighting (believed to be, anyway) was on another Caribbean island a few years back.
But while I don’t believe that Joran is telling us the whole truth, everyone who has seen and heard the deVries tapes seems to think they are the real bill of goods. And after all, Joran was consistent in his story in more than 20 filmed talks.
So while the captive sex slave theory was never implausible, I’m less and less inclined to harbor it.
Crimson: Thank you. It doesn’t matter how much a person can give; remember that God can use our giving from the heart in a mighty way. We support the Holloway/Twitty families and the wonderful thing the Persistence is doing to end their suffering. The least we can do is give what we can for this effort that has kept these good men away from their families for months.
Here is one chance to put the psychopath where he belongs. http://nholloway.blogspot.com/
How come when people are trying to convince others that marijuana should be legalized they say that it does not affect people to where they cannot function but now when Juron used it and ran his mouth and got himself in trouble it was the marijuana that caused him to supposedly say something that was not true. Does marijuana effect a person’s mind or not? Can’t have it both ways.
The best chance for true justice is that whoever helped Joran to dispose of Natalee will get scared that he will Rat him out and will kill Joran to shut him up. Joran did not lose sleep over Natalee and I will lose no sleep over Joran.
If Paulus killed Joran that would really be something. Talk about news! Paulus may not have much to do once he is stripped of his title as an attorney.
I am a mother and a grandmother. After hearing the tapes and his blatant disrespect for Natalee, there is no way I could let him walk the streets free if she was my child. Him and his daddy both are guilty as sin and I do not put it past daddy to be taking part in the sick games these boys played with the girls. I always thought it convient that moma was not home on this tragic night.I do not think Natalee died on the beach. I think it all happened at the VDS property.I would be watching for him and daddy to stick their heads out the door and I would put a bullet between their eyes.They do not deserve to draw another breath.Just my 2centsworth.
betsy#7….i saw that news interview. I urge EVERONE to read the book Into The Deep by Andrew Hodges, MD forensic profiler. the emails that he decoded from deepak to an american friend, just 5 days after all three boys raped/murdered/disposed of natalee, the emails are almost identical to what joran confessed to. from the very beginning everyone involved in this case in aruban/dutch government has f—ed it up. covered it up and hoped it would go away. a world wide boycott of aruba and letters to the dutch Queen Beatrix in protest of the lack of justice for natalee and her family. heads need to start rolling Queen!!
i have told you kids before; no system can use info from an drugged or intoxicated person to nail him, its not legal in dutch law system.
nice try…….
please someone come with solid proves…..
so we can end and stop this money circus…
Response to #89: We all have heard from Natalee’s parents and high school friends about Natalee’s spotless, sterling reputation. And I have always believed this, so I’m not criticizing this remark about her. But yesterday, I visited Wikipedia’s site, and read their article about Natalee H., and they paint a totally different picture of what kind of girl she might have possibly been. They even mention that Natalee may have been in rehab shortly before her trip to Aruba!!!! I don’t know how reliable the information is, although I always thought of Wiki as a good source. I don’t know what to think about this. Anybody have any info?
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SM: The Wiki site is being edited by people that are trying to protect Joran. Wiki can be edited by anyone, it really can be a terrible source. What your read on Wiki is pure BS. (klaasend)