Natalee Holloway Disappearance: Joran Van der Sloot Tosses Wine in Face of Reporter Peter R. De Vries on Dutch TV Show (Anger Management Issues)


ANGER MANAGEMENT ISSUES … This is what Joran Van der Sloot does in public, imagine what he is capable of when there is no one to record the event!


For all those who did not think that Joran Van der Sloot, the former suspect in the Natalee Holloway disappearance, did not have anger management issues, you may want to rethink that notion. Joran Van der Sloot appeared on the late-night talk show Pauw & Witteman. By shows end Joran Van der Sloot threw wine in the face of a crime reporter, Peter R. De Vries, after they appeared together on a Dutch television program.

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From De Telegraaf Binnenland (Dutch), Moeder Joran maakt excuses


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Does any one really wonder what happened to Natalee Holloway when Joran Van der Sloot, one of the last known people ever to be seen with the missing Alabama teenager? Look at his anger issues in public. The Aruban authorities and daddy, Paul Van der Sloot, are going to be hard pressed to cover your actions up this time Joran. These are hardly the actions of a normal individual. So this is the reaction for all the world to see when Joran Van der Sloot does not get his own way.

Does any normal thinking person really wonder what happened to Natalee Holloway and who was responsible for her disappearance? Anyone that would dare challenge Joran Van der Sloot gets a knee jerk reaction like he did on the Dutch TV program. Is the type of uncontrollable person Joran Van der Sloot really is? This is how Joran Van der Sloot acts. Paul and Anita Van der Sloot must be very proud of the type of child they have raised.

The blond woman in the wine-throwing clip who with some water washes the wine out of PRdV’s eyes makes an very true remark to Anita-vdS about Joran: “Well, you really brought THAT up well!” (Hat Tip EURobert, FP)

AMSTERDAM, Netherlands – A former suspect in the disappearance of an American teenager in Aruba threw wine in the face of a crime reporter after they appeared together on a talk show and the reporter challenged his honesty.


Van der Sloot, who denies any wrongdoing, appeared relaxed throughout the TV appearance, despite remarks from crime reporter Peter R. De Vries challenging his honesty.

At the end of the program Van der Sloot and De Vries had a testy exchange about whether De Vries would apologize if evidence exonerating Van der Sloot came to light.

The live show ended, but NOS radio news reported Saturday that moments later, Van der Sloot threw a glass of wine in De Vries’ face.

The incident was captured on the show’s cameras and photos taken by members of the studio audience are circulating on Dutch web sites.


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This is what sets Joran Van der Sloot off? Who honestly does not think that this kid has anger management issues? If this is what Joran Van der Sloot would do with the cameras rolling and people every where to so, imagine what he would do when no one was around. It would appear that Joran is capable of lashing out at those that would challenge him, or tell him “NO”.


This is a perfect example of a leopard does not change its spots, not can one lipstick a pig. The parents of Joran Van der Sloot have him appear on this TV show to spin to the world that their son has been miscategorized and smeared. Yet for all the world to see, Joran then takes this opportunity to show just how little credibility he has by his actions.


Witteman said he thought the move would damage Van der Sloot’s credibility, the opposite of what his family had hoped the effect of appearing on the program would be.

Suspect in Aruba case attacks talk show host

Interview Video

Transcript  of interview (partial) … Full Transcript Here and HERE

Witteman: I found it exiting and balanced.

Interviewer: People who were watching claim you have allowed Joran to talk very lengthy.

Witteman: Yes, he was of course the main guest. And Peter de Vries can take very good care of himself that was obvious in this broadcasting, verbally that is.
And we now had the occasion to get the discussion going between these two, and that had not happened prior. So we let that happen.
But a fact is that Joran van der Sloot was released, was interrogated in many ways, that the justice in Aruba does not see grounds for prosecution, and that juridically then there is something like, then it has to be over with, that is why we made the show now, as in; what now, ho to go from here.

Interviewer: I had the feeling you were defending Joran at times during the show towards Peter de Vries.

Witteman: I honestly feel that Peter de Vries, who of course has investigated, in Aruba, but he did not found much damaging material that would make Joran closer to the qualification of a murderer, and that is why I feel why Joran during such a program, when he is being called a liar over and over again, I do not feel it being not correct to defend your guest a little bit. That would go the other way around also by the way.

Interviewer: And what Joran van der Sloot then does at the end, how would you want to qualify that?

Witteman: Incredible and hugely stupid.
I mean it was of course the intention of the family van der Sloot to come her and show they want to continue their lives, and that they want to leave this case behind them, but that will be difficult as long as the body of Natalee has not been found, and when you want to get at least some understanding of the public, you of course should not perform things like this (referring to throwing wine).

Interviewer: How would you describe this broadcasting?

Witteman: The broadcasting itself, I found it to be very good and exciting.

Interviewer: The ending though was sort of strange.

Witteman: Dramatically, and nasty and incredible.

More translations of TV show

 Other comments regarding wine incident:


Joran Van der Sloot cannot control his temper … is that now obvious to the world.

Van der Sloot’s Dutch lawyer and the show’s producers could not immediately be reached for comment.

“He did it out of a kind of frustration, annoyance,” De Vries said on Nova Saturday. “I spoke with him later, and he apologized. And then he said that he actually wanted to curse me out during the broadcast, but he was able to refrain. But at the end, before he knew it, he had thrown the glass of wine in my face.”

Show host Paul Witteman said Van der Sloot had told him afterward he had planned the act during the show.

“The further along the show went, the more he was annoyed because he had to explain again and again why he had lied” at the start of the investigation into Holloway’s disappearance, Witteman said Van der Sloot told him.

Van der Sloot thought, ‘Now I’ll grab my chance, now I can do it’ (throw the wine), and then he did,” Witteman said.

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    202 Responses to “Natalee Holloway Disappearance: Joran Van der Sloot Tosses Wine in Face of Reporter Peter R. De Vries on Dutch TV Show (Anger Management Issues)”

    1. EURobert on January 13th, 2008 10:42 am

      Here’s a link to a short clip of the incident.

      PRdV didn’t see it coming so he really got the wine in his eyes and that hurt because of the alcohol in it.
      Afterwards Joran apologized. (Joran had planned it even before the show!!!)

    2. Richard on January 13th, 2008 10:47 am

      “nasty and incredible.”

      Yeah, and so is everything else about the last two and a half years in Aruba. Beginning with the refusal of the Aruban police to take action against the three last seen with Natalee … but hey, when THOSE three point the finger at someone else (against whom there was NO evidence), see Aruba’s finest rush into action!

      This is an appeal to the people of the Netherlands: are you content to have the name of your country dragged in the mud by this slime pit of an island called Aruba?

      When Joran walks down the street of Arnheim, do you spit and turn away … or do you smile and nod?

      Maybe it’s time for the good Dutch people to work with those of us over here who believe that something more can be done.

    3. Richard on January 13th, 2008 10:48 am

      By the way, as I posted on an earlier thread, the latest entry in the blog of the Persistence (the latest one that’s there right now, anyway) says that the deepest parts of the search area are now being probed. Godspeed, and good luck. Our thoughts and hopes are with you.

    4. Richard on January 13th, 2008 10:51 am

      Now, what are we to think if the Persistence fails in its mission … if it has to abandon the search without finding anything?

      At that point, no remains were found on land and none were found in the ocean. What logical questions would we be forced to ask at that point?

      Here’s yet another story, this one from Canada.
      They say such things don’t happen on Aruba, at least not to Americans … is that the case?

      Three men charged in ‘sex slave’ ring investigation
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      Jan 12, 2008 07:59 PM

      On Thursday afternoon, a woman from Eastern Europe stumbled into the police station at Dundas St. W. and University Ave. She said she was a sex slave.

      The next day, police raided several addresses and arrested six suspects. Three of them now face a slew of charges in what is being considered an international human trafficking ring that involves a dizzying array of victims, suspects and countries.

      “There is one victim that we have,” Staff Sgt. Deb Abbott declared. “If you understand human trafficking, you’ll know they have complete control over them. They are held.”

      Abbott wouldn’t say how this victim managed to escape her captors.

      The victim told police that she responded to an advertisement on the Internet that offered her work as a model in Canada. But when she arrived she was thrown into prostitution.

      Abbott said the victims are from Eastern European countries.

      “We have a belief that it’s a general area,” she said. “It’s an international case, and the investigation is ongoing. It’s going to take quite a bit of time. We have to maintain the integrity of the investigation.”

      The women were bought into the country using fake passports, police said. Once they arrived, the victims were forcibly confined and made to work as escorts for the “ringleaders” of the operation.

      Police said one of the houses they raided was in North York, near Steeles Ave. and Bathurst St. They arrested the two suspects who have been charged at Thornhill addresses.

      It is unknown how many women may be involved.

      Police didn’t wish to comment on whether the victimized women would receive amnesty in Canada.

      Abbott insisted they are taking this complex case one step at a time.

      “She is a victim and a witness to a criminal investigation,” Abbott insisted. “That’s it. This is a cross-border investigation with multiple agencies, multiple locations and multiple victims and witnesses who are reluctant to share for fear of reprisal. It makes it difficult to investigate.”

      Artur Boris Tomchin, 35, of Toronto, Andrei Khazarov, 39, of Thornhill and Daniel Leshinsky, 38, of Thornhill face 10 charges related to human trafficking, including the trafficking of persons, forcible confinement and procuring a person to become a prostitute.

      Three others remain in custody, and police are seeking many more suspects.

      In 2006, the Toronto Police Sex Crimes Unit estimated between 600 and 800 people are brought into Canada illegally and pushed into prostitution, domestic servitude and forced labour after being promised a better life.

      Human trafficking is considered a worldwide, multi billion-dollar industry.

      In Nov. 2007 eight people were arrested, four of whom were from Ontario, for engaging in human trafficking across the U.S. border. The leaders of the Toronto operation were alleged to have been a Canadian husband and wife team.

    5. Richard on January 13th, 2008 10:52 am

      “If you understand human trafficking, you’ll know they have complete control over them. They are held.”

    6. roaming noam on January 13th, 2008 10:57 am

      It’s up to all of the people now !!! Come on world get under urin’s skin, Find out what pisses urin off and get him to crack !!! It seems like he is getting edgy and could crack any time

    7. EURobert on January 13th, 2008 11:24 am

      BTW… The blond woman in the wine-throwing clip who with some water washes the wine out of PRdV’s eyes makes an very true remark to Anita-vdS about Joran: “Well, you really brought THAT up well!”

    8. Betty on January 13th, 2008 11:28 am

      I believe the Persistence water search is at the heart of what is putting him on edge. I think Natalee is in the water and I think the search team must be getting closer.

    9. Scared Monkeys on January 13th, 2008 11:56 am

      #1 EURobert:

      PRdV didn’t see it coming so he really got the wine in his eyes and that hurt because of the alcohol in it.
      Afterwards Joran apologized. (Joran had planned it even before the show!!!)

      This is a LOSE-LOSE no matter how JVDS wants to try and lie about it. Either, JVDS lost his temper during the show like he most likely did when Natalee Holloway told him NO. Or he planned the wine throwing incident in advance, like he did the same with the premeditated assault and aftermath of Natalee.

      In any event … JVDS is an unstable individual capable of anything.

    10. brie on January 13th, 2008 12:02 pm

      DeVrides just told the truth, something that Joran can’t do and he didn’t want to hear it. It was absolutely disgusting. Another one of his acts of violence. There is no way that Natalee was safe with Joran.

    11. Richard on January 13th, 2008 12:10 pm

      How do we know that Joran planned to do this even before the show? Did he say so? If this is true, then his mind works in even more bizarre ways than people think … why would anyone PLAN to do such an asinine thing that undermines his own cause?

      Unless he wanted to joke about it with his (equally thuggish) friends, assuming that he has any.

    12. Richard on January 13th, 2008 12:13 pm

      Here’s the contact form, which EURobert kindly posted on a previous thread, for the Dutch parliamentarian Hero Brinkman. He’s the one who called the Netherlands Antilles a thieves’ den, or words to that effect, and was snubbed by Aruba.

      Maybe we can organize a letter-writing campaign to him thanking him for his honesty. I will.

    13. Carpe Noctem on January 13th, 2008 12:21 pm

      DeVries should file assault charges on that amalgam of Paulus Vandersloot and Henrietta
      Hippo’s DNA deposits!

      People need to stop listening to *weak excuses* from Paul and Anita, and start “droppin’ the hammer” on that angry little son of a witch.

      Not doing anything for years
      is how he got this way.


    14. Rocky on January 13th, 2008 12:22 pm

      Is that Anita in the foreground? Her @$$ is so enormous it nearly blocks the entire screen. Honey, you need to find the nearest Jenny Craig! Hurry…. Run, don’t walk.

    15. Carpe Noctem on January 13th, 2008 12:24 pm
    16. EURobert on January 13th, 2008 12:25 pm

      # SM on January 13th, 2008 11:56 am

      You’re right Red it’s definitely a LOSE-LOSE! But I’m amazed that somebody can be so stupid to plan this wine throwing thing?! (A couple of hours ago after seeing this clip I thought: “There’s a sociopath on the loose in the streets of Amsterdam…” He confirms that himself time and again.)

      # Richard on January 13th, 2008 12:10 pm

      Joran himself after apologizing told he had planned this; that’s in the interview of the clip.

    17. Vicki on January 13th, 2008 12:26 pm

      what an utterly disgusting idiot…Peter should sue his sorry butt.And his wifes classic remark…”THAT” hahahahaha she should have called him FRANKENSTEIN…oh MY GOODNESS he is so feaking UGLY…poor Natalee. this pig has no respect….to plan on doing this before the show…and you can see him getting ticked the whole video and his moronic facial expressions…VILE EVIL..SATANS SPAWN…

    18. Rocky on January 13th, 2008 12:34 pm

      It shows he is capable of planning ahead like his plans to rape and torture Natalee. His family all the while supporting Joran. He’s a good boy blah, blah, blah…. He’s not capable to hurt any girls. He is respectful of girls.

      Is Anita fat and stupid or is she just fat and supportive of her son that she knows is a monster?

    19. JusticeforNatalee on January 13th, 2008 12:43 pm

      And don’t forget–he threw the wine in Peter’s EYES!

      I bet Joran doesn’t even “get it” that this is highly inappropriate behavior–notice how Anita tries to smooth things over.

      I wonder how many times Joran has gotten himself into trouble and Mommy and Daddy smooth it over.

      Joran has cooked his own goose.
      He has shown that when he doesn’t get his own way,
      he responds with rage.

      Poor Natalee.

    20. Donna on January 13th, 2008 1:02 pm

      What a smug little BRAT! He thinks he is invincible. Well, actions speak louder than words. It has always been reported he had anger management problems. This incident only proves what he is capable of and how he feels he can get away with anything. I would love to see the reporter have him arrested for assault!!! It’s all on tape, no denying this one Urine!

    21. Susan on January 13th, 2008 1:08 pm

      Say it isn’t so…Urine van der Slut has a problem controlling his temper?



    22. nurturer on January 13th, 2008 1:12 pm

      Folks, I’m baffled.

      Can’t this reporter press as assault charge against this punk?

      And if he can, well by all means . . .

    23. bleachedblack on January 13th, 2008 1:18 pm

      Jorans actions only serve to reinforce the fact that he has no ability to control his impulses. What furter puzzles me about the clip is that the two men to the right in the clip seem to laugh(?) at jorans actions? Inappropriate ……

      Anita says in the interview that joran only saw the psychiatrist twice “for staying out late” . A lie!
      No mention about fighting with his brothers?

      Joran is a sociopath …..

    24. Rocky on January 13th, 2008 1:21 pm

      Look at the top photo. Paulus has gained at least 10 kilos all in his gut which increases his risk greatly for a heart attack. His gut hangs far over his pants. Was he that fat before this crime? I think there may be some binge eating going on due to extreme guilt!

      Dr. Hodges says that unconscious guilt causes the perps to harm themselves and self-loath. Drugs, heavy smoking, eating etc. Many times people involved in crimes or covering crimes get cancer like OJ Simpson’s Johnny Cocheroach and Kardashian.

      These fat slobs are going to have heart disease and die early because of the monster they brought into the world. Joran doesn’t feel a thing about what he has done to his parents or least of all, Natalee. He is a true Sociopathic monster.

    25. kayjay on January 13th, 2008 1:26 pm

      Anita..was just wondering ..what does it feel like to have given birth to a sociopathic monster?
      Guess there is truth to the saying “only a face that a mother could love”..only in this case its an A$$! Lock your “sporter” in a psych ward before he does more damage…or better yet TURN THE FREAK INTO THE AUTHORITIES, AND YOUR HUSBAND AS WELL WHILE YOUR AT IT.

    26. brie on January 13th, 2008 1:50 pm

      Did you notice when Joran does something wrong he and Paulus just take off?

    27. Rocky on January 13th, 2008 2:04 pm

      hum Brie, interesting observation. Do something wrong, cover and run, run, RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    28. Scared Monkeys on January 13th, 2008 2:18 pm

      #16 EURobert.

      You got it.

      It is obvious that Joran VDS cannot control being told no or the truth.

      It would be quite a different story if JVDS had done this 2 years ago. He has been told and warned by family and attorneys not to do this. Do not react. I wonder how Joe Tacopina feels today that his client listens to him so closely. Or is it that JVDS is incapable of following advice?

      He is a loose cannon capable of anything.

      Thank you Joran for showing the world your true colors.

    29. dennisintn on January 13th, 2008 2:21 pm

      strike, run, hide, let daddy and mommy protect you and clean up after you. a lifetime of practicing that scenario for the sloots.

    30. nurturer on January 13th, 2008 2:28 pm

      Is throwing ANYTHING in someone’s face with intent to offend not considered assault EVEN in The Netherlands?

    31. mommytraveler on January 13th, 2008 2:28 pm

      Hey Anita – Are you here reading all these fabulous comments about your son? Make you feel proud?

      Anita, just what were you referring to when you said, “Oh, no not again…” ????????

      And Deepak: Whatever evidence you hold over the VanderSloots will disappear when you do or with you when you do. Joran’s in Amsterdam and you are rotting in Aruba. Things must be cool at your house – huh? What, no celebration party like Joran had? What, no chance to better yourself through education or traveling? What, no dates or fun anymore? No equal chance at anything. Wouldn’t a hundred thousand dollars or even more help? Must be fun sitting at that Internet Cafe day in and day out – with people coming in and starting at you like your were some kind of freak. Fun, fun, fun.

    32. Rocky on January 13th, 2008 2:53 pm

      do you think Deepak and Satish have kept up with the routine of tricking young innocent girls for the purpose of rape and murder or do you think Joran as the ring leader being gone has slowed their progress a bit?

    33. benh on January 13th, 2008 3:08 pm

      Just saw the wine throwing clip on msnbc.Think you Joran for puting this story back in the news,knew we could count on you.

    34. The Vandersloots on January 13th, 2008 3:28 pm

      Joran looks a little drunk.You think they spiked his drinks with

    35. roaming noam on January 13th, 2008 3:28 pm

      Any one see the twilight zone where the little boy Timmy or Jimmy took over the town ??? Well maybe if every one got together we all could wish urin vandercrap into the CORN FIELD

    36. murph on January 13th, 2008 3:32 pm

      Joran has a personality like “OJ”. Can’t shut his mouth and will soon be in trouble again.

    37. LilPuma on January 13th, 2008 3:33 pm

      Joran van der Sloot killed his own dog. His mental problems have been escalating since.

    38. JusticeforNatalee on January 13th, 2008 3:34 pm

      Yes–just WHAT did Anita mean by “Oh, no, NOT AGAIN”?

      Not again, what, Anita?

      Joran being in trouble again and you and Paulus bailing him out?
      Is that what you meant?

      Anita, you are sacrificing your whole family
      because of Joran and Paulus. What about your other two sons?

      Anita, insist that your husband and son tell

    39. brie on January 13th, 2008 3:36 pm

      #32…remember Freddy is still there, the porno freak!

    40. 10061906 on January 13th, 2008 3:37 pm

      EURobert: Thank you for providing the translations.
      It is appreciated.
      I think it is only a matter of time now, before Joran and Deepak break. Their lives are a “living hell and the cracks are starting to show in the dike.

    41. mommytraveler on January 13th, 2008 3:40 pm


      Joran was the bait. American girls would not look twice at Deepak or Satish. They were the cab drivers. According to the various statements made to the police, Deepak or Satish have never had a girlfriend or known to have a date ever with any girl. Even the island girls. Joran was their ticket to assault and sex with American tourist girls at the Holiday Inn.

    42. brie on January 13th, 2008 3:42 pm

      Joran said something to Peter after he threw the wine in his face, wonder what he was..

    43. brie on January 13th, 2008 3:45 pm

      I bet the Sloot’s all went back to where ever they were staying and had a really good laugh about it. Hey we did it again another hit and run!

    44. brie on January 13th, 2008 3:47 pm

      Also notice that Anita sat across the table from Joran, not next to him. They probably had certain signals to each other during the interview.

    45. Carol Armstrong on January 13th, 2008 4:13 pm

      Does anyone have the full transcript of the show? I watched/listened to the entire thing in Dutch but didn’t have the entire translation.

    46. mayan_moons on January 13th, 2008 4:57 pm

      Yeah Red……that was absolutely a LOSE/LOSE stunt Jipshit (THE BIGGEST LOSER OF ALL) pulled in that interview, Peter should file a police report on Jurine. Start the police report paper trail & establish this unstable and up til now unstopable psychopath he shows himself to be.

    47. Tazman on January 13th, 2008 5:01 pm

      Well, there ya go!! Very immature guy who is allowed to do whatever he wants. Underage gambling, drinking, whoring around, throwing wine in people’s faces on TV (no less), sexually attacking girls and carelessly throwing them away. He’s going to have many years to do all of those things unless the law doesn’t do something about it!!

    48. EURobert on January 13th, 2008 5:02 pm

      45 Carol

      I know where the transcript is; glad you ask! Worked hard on it…

      Scroll down!!
      SM: EURobert – thank you so much for going through all the trouble to translate and transcribe the entire show, I know it was a huge amount of work for you! I’ve also put your translations of the show into a thread in the forum so they are all in one place. Thanks again! (klaasend)

    49. mayan_moons on January 13th, 2008 5:03 pm

      Just read about The Persistance searching at the depth’s of 3000 feet and they sound so upbeat & excited and THAT makes me upbeat too!~

      (keeping faith)

    50. mayan_moons on January 13th, 2008 5:07 pm

      Was that Anita sitting next to Peter in the video?
      Kinda looked like her.

    51. EURobert on January 13th, 2008 5:11 pm

      Klaasend on January 13th, 2008 5:02 pm

      You’re welcome and thanks for putting it there!

    52. Sharon Chicago on January 13th, 2008 5:12 pm

      I thought the whole interview was very well done and sure beats any interviews that Greta has done. The Vandersluts were being squezzed a little… and called on all of their twisted versions of what happened that night.

      Also, Anita now wanting an investigation on Beth and family, etc. She is so stupid. How about your son the last person to be seen with her along with the two K’s.

      Deepak and Satish, Joran is about to throw you both under the train…all of Daddy’s explanations of what happened that night along with Jorans will point to both of you as being the murderers…

      Why I left her on the beach, the Kalpoes must have come back and murdered her.

    53. Sharon Chicago on January 13th, 2008 5:14 pm

      Peter de Vries…we love ya!!! Keep on keeping on…Great job!

    54. Tazman on January 13th, 2008 5:15 pm

      Only 2 visits to a therapist?? He was probably diagnosed as a violent, compulsive liar and told that he had to go through extensive therapy. Whereupon, Anita probably stood up slugged the doctor and said “not my perfect son”!!!

    55. Sharon Chicago on January 13th, 2008 5:18 pm

      I loved it… Anita says, “My sporter respects women” … Peter paints the truth and serves her a dish of humble pie… Wonder what she was thinking when he volleyed back to her the truth that he does not respect women the facts are…..etc. etc. etc.

      Anita, your sporter will be going to jail to serve for the murder of Natalee Holloway, the person your refer to as “that girl”…. Keep your Sundays open for visitations.

    56. Sharon Chicago on January 13th, 2008 5:22 pm

      Joran did an assault and battery… Peter should have called the dutch cops.

    57. Carol Armstrong on January 13th, 2008 5:23 pm

      Thanks, EURobert! I appreciate all of your had work as well. Cannot wait to read the rest of it! Best Regards.

    58. mayan_moons on January 13th, 2008 5:34 pm

      A big thank you from me too EURobert! I noticed there were alot of responses to the show, if its not to much to ask would you translate a few so we could feel the pulse of the viewer’s of the show?

      Thanks Again!

    59. Blonde on January 13th, 2008 5:37 pm

      Jacqueline the wife from Peter, said to Anita:
      Nou, dat heb je goed opgevoed. ( Now, that you has educated as well).

    60. diverboy on January 13th, 2008 6:17 pm

      Amazing. I guess Urine thinks that he can do what he wants when Paulass is around since he ALWAYS covers for him. What did Paulass do? He examined the empty wine glass and said: “No wine, no case”? And Anusita states that Urine never has gone to the shrink for anger issues? How about the choller he threw over the bridge when he was in his way? What about those windshields he broke at CnC’s parking lot when he was throwing a tantrum? What about the dog he killed? What did you do when Natalee wouldnt do what you wanted, Urine? Keep it up. Just a matter of time when you pull your little stunts on someone that will defend themselves. Oh…I forgot…you choose to bully the weak. Keep it up. Hope your parents are proud.

    61. olliegizmo on January 13th, 2008 6:25 pm

      Holy cow, I love it! I always knew if you gave joran enough rope he would eventually hang himself with it. I can’t wait to see what he will do next. Hey joran, I hope you try some of that crap on a couple of southern good ole boys. Keep up the good work, your true colors are shining through.

    62. Carpe Noctem on January 13th, 2008 6:26 pm


      Is Anita fat and stupid or is she just fat and supportive of her son that she knows is a monster?

      Yes. ;)

    63. brie on January 13th, 2008 6:28 pm

      Joran said that during the interview he had planned to throw the wine in his eyes at the end. Just proves he has a violent temper and can also be also be a premeditated, I am going to hurt you, thinker. He’d didn’t know the camera was on for all of us to see.

      Well, you made the news in the US, another dart for Aruba. Provided by Joran.

      If you noticed everyone was dressed nice for the interview but Joran…he looked like something on the chain gang.

    64. Carpe Noctem on January 13th, 2008 6:41 pm

      Notice there in no P in our OOL.

      We’d like to keep it that way!

      Thank you, Management


    65. brie on January 13th, 2008 6:45 pm

      Joran went from a suspect to a person of interest…but no one can ever give us an answer as to why they were at the police station the morning Natalee disappeared. There has to be a reason and it would definitely apply to Natalee’s disappearance. How come we cannot find out about that? It’s Aruba, let’s keep it a secret, you know tourism and all!

    66. EURobert on January 13th, 2008 6:49 pm

      # 58 mayan_moons

      Okay, here are some responses to the show, from these pages ( )

      Tribute to Peter
      By anonymous
      Tribute / Homage to Peter.
      I hope very much that Peter will look at this case again, because the story just isn’t right! He has allready proven himself often, if there is someone who can do it than it’s Peter!
      (Link to wine-incident)
      That kid is outrageous, ‘very good upbringing’. No suprise with such parents.

      By Rob
      And thank God this man eventually will not be a judge!

      By Rob
      Don’t be fooled with this father.
      He knows exactly how things go in the judicial system. Look at lawyers, in the end their language is very confusing. And everything is about twisting words; and they can be endlessly twisted.
      Peter R de Vries’s intuition may well be the right one.

      By Naatje
      Isn’t it the most important to bring the truth to the surface before we accuse someone so heavilly?

      By Peter Beater
      He just murdered that girl

      By d.a.
      What a bad performance by the mr’s Pauw & Witteman
      What do you mean making agreements/rules
      I’m afraid mr. P R de Vries is right
      Missed opportunity

      By Luigi
      I watched the show of Joran, I have to say don’t let us point a finger to someone else; we are not judges in that sense
      And should it ever come out that he knows more about what happened even than we still are no judges.
      And I know there are natural laws that punnish even harder. And never has a lie escaped from the truth. It’s sad enough as it is.
      And maybe Joran’s grin is insecurity.

      By Angelica
      I think it’s outrageous that Witteman starts to laugh after the moment Joran threw that wine. That proofs little respect!
      Besides that the faces of the VdS-family during the show spoke for themselves.

      By p.
      The conversation of the VdS-family was done at a exceptional sensational tone. This is no topic to laugh about.
      Unsensitive of Pauw & Witteman; in this way they are just a slick popular/peoples-tribunal.

      This is not possible
      By RobHond
      I can’t believee that a 16/17 year old boy can make a girl disappear in such a way that even the most modern equipment can’t find her.
      I think from the start that she’s just still alive, maybe in captivity, but she’s not dead.

      Spoiled little man
      By Gerhard
      Look good in his eyes than you can see that he’s bad, his father is a judge-in-training.
      That could mean that it’s a spoiled little man that always gets his way.

    67. Carpe Noctem on January 13th, 2008 7:08 pm
    68. roaming noam on January 13th, 2008 7:14 pm

      #2 No Wine no Case LMAO !!!

    69. roaming noam on January 13th, 2008 7:14 pm

      Oops #60

    70. Allan on January 13th, 2008 7:21 pm

      As you can see Joran will never get any peace, that I am glad of. Also his parents are pieces of $hit.
      It may not be an end with Natalee being found but Joran will end, sooner the better and I think it will be permanently. If only some of the Dutch and islanders didn’t have their own perverted secrets to hide his a$$ would be gone.

    71. iwabwu on January 13th, 2008 7:42 pm

      Joran…teflon boy. Are their any limits to his actions?

    72. kayjay on January 13th, 2008 7:48 pm

      Just read the whole interview..many thanks for the translation. I just cracked up when I read:

    73. Scared Monkeys on January 13th, 2008 8:41 pm

      I wonder if Anita still wants that investigation into the investigation?


    74. NM on January 13th, 2008 8:56 pm

      Amazing how little concern or reaction for DeVries after the wine throwing from pvds and avds. Not even a reaction of shock or to repremand their mutant offspring.

    75. Scared Monkeys on January 13th, 2008 8:56 pm

      The Dutch on this site need to quit their bitching and moaning.

      We are not hypocrites just because your site decides to defend a scumbag who showed his true colors.

      Joran makes all Dutch look bad. Why would anyone defend someone who obviously has mental issues controlling one’s aggression?

      Sad that one one defend assault.

    76. Scared Monkeys on January 13th, 2008 8:58 pm


      Why would they be shocked? I think they are used to such actions from Joran.


    77. Maggie on January 13th, 2008 9:06 pm

      If he got this angry and threw wind in DeVries face with people present, imagine what he could when noone is around. He’s just mad because Mr. DeVries found the picture and can prove he paid to have it photoshopped, and that Mr. DeVries calls him on his crap.

      One ex.. he had a gf and didn’t want her to know so he lied… OK he didn’t want his gf to know so he told that he took Natalee to the Lighthouse and fingered her and described her private parts and underwear..saying she was falling asleep off and on.. instead of I took a girl to the beach and left her because she wanted to stay. Mr. DeVries is exactly right, his reasons are ludicrous and make no sense. If the girl wanted to stay on the beach alone, why make up lies about where she was????

      IMO he’s an accident waiting to happen and it’s not hard to see where he gets it from after watching his family. Maybe next time Mr. DeVries can ask Paulus why was Deepak’s car at his house that night when he said he was at the casino or he can ask him why he said he gave Joran permission to go to the Wyndham the next night to gamble again and then went on Nova and said Joran again sneaked out that night.

    78. disgustedmom on January 13th, 2008 9:14 pm

      Just saw this on Fox and came right here to see if you all were on top of it! As usual, yes, you were!

      I echo what others have already said. Peter should file assault charges. AND how convenient Paulus and Anita were NOT looking at Joran when he threw the wine in Peter’s eyes. Typical, ain’t it? AND I’ll bet too Joran didn’t know the cameras were still running.

      So he says he planned it? Ha ha, I’ll bet he did. But he didn’t think the cameras would still be on. So when accused of it, as usual he’d have said people were false accusing him and gotten some more reaction from his fan club taking up for him. But the cameras WERE on so his plan failed. Ha ha.

      I’ve never quite understood why the VDS’s feel a need to go do interviews. And they say this is their last? I doubt it. They’re addicted to being the center of attention for the last 2 years and 8 months. They’d be so lost and bored if no one gave a shit about them anymore.

    79. Ralph on January 13th, 2008 9:21 pm

      I want to know more about the photo Joran was challenged with in the interview that was insulting Natalee, the victim. Joran uses it to relieve his stress? It reminds me of the preppie killer in New York that murdered Jennifer Levin and then proceeded to make fun of her mocking her by strangling a doll at a party. It’s called “gallows humor”

      I really really really want to know what Dr. Hodges’ opinion is of all the latest events.

    80. brie on January 13th, 2008 9:24 pm

      Eurobert, thank you for all your hard work, we appreciate your help. Also wondering, Joran made a comment to Peter after he threw the wine; any idea what he might of said.

    81. Maggie on January 13th, 2008 9:28 pm

      oops wine …lol

    82. mayan_moons on January 13th, 2008 9:32 pm

      Thank you EURobert……i’ve been eading your translations and maaaaaaan are they riveting.

      Case in point in reference to Witteman asking Anita if she ever doubted her son and she responds
      “I DID HAVE MY DOUBTS AT FIRST AND THOUGHT….OH NO…NOT AGAIN” ?????? WTF does that mean Anita?? Where was the follow up on that stunning revelation that Anita is aware this isn’t the first time her lil monster has done this before. Other than asking that follow up question i must say i was impressed with the veracity of Witteman’s question’s and keeping the train on track in terms of not letting the Sloot’s run the show and do what they do best and thats to muddy the waters to create the most confusion as possible. Very impressed with Peter de Vrie’s line of questioning as he pounding on Jurine on why does one who’s innocent need to lie like they breathe. He did a GREAT job backing Jip into a corner…..something no other journalist has been willing or able to do and THAT made Jurine MAD

    83. mayan_moons on January 13th, 2008 9:37 pm

      What did Paulass do? He examined the empty wine glass and said: “No wine, no case”?


    84. mayan_moons on January 13th, 2008 9:39 pm

      lol Maggie!

    85. Sharon Chicago on January 13th, 2008 10:44 pm

      I hope Oprah did not pre-tap her upcoming Wed. show with Beth and her son yet.?????

      I would like for her to add the latest episode to her show … where Joran explodes again and those wine in Peters face…

      Oh Please Oprah, include this as an update…. Thx
      SM: It’s my understanding the show will be taped on Tuesday ;) (klaasend)

    86. mayan_moons on January 13th, 2008 10:47 pm

      Another great moment in the interview is when Witteman said they would be asking questions of Jurine & his parents (cohorts)but first wanted to set the stage with Peter and Peter said “yeah give them time to come up with a (plausable) answer and then Witteman chimes in saying “to give them time to find THE RIGHT answer”

    87. Miss-Underestimated on January 13th, 2008 11:22 pm

      Dam Anita, my what you been eating?

      LOL Joran, you can run but you can’t hide.
      DeVries, needs to file formal charges, like now, it is all on tape. Good thing this didn’t happen in Aruba, Aruba would have told us all, that didn’t happen, our eyes are lying.

      LOL, Joran, Anita and Paulass, you just keep on digging a big ol hole of lies…… all three are a real pieces of work….

    88. 10061906 on January 14th, 2008 1:38 am

      Richard 4 “Now, what are we to think if the Persistence fails in its mission … if it has to abandon the search without finding anything?”

      “At that point, no remains were found on land and none were found in the ocean. What logical questions would we be forced to ask at that point?”

      Richard: The land was never throughly searched.
      It was never searched as the ocean is/has been.
      That flyover by Dutch F16′s proved nothing. There was no way the equipment on those planes could have detected a body buried, let alone thrown in a ready made hole in the ground or could see into a crypt in a cemetery.
      Feeble attempts were made and no followup to what could be the obvious. Any of the open mines near Montana; no one has searched that area.
      No one wants to either. Why?
      Regardless whether we agree or argue to hell freezes over; something will have to force the ALE and the Dutch judges to prosecute those responsible. I feel it is coming closer.

    89. molly in houston on January 14th, 2008 1:45 am

      Urine is hanging himself. The rope is getting tighter. Choke-day is coming.

      boycott aruba

      molly in houston

    90. Kasey Conrad on January 14th, 2008 1:57 am

      Psychopath Joran is deplorable and this is just one more piece against him.

      Is it just me, or did anyone else notice on the tape that Anita (convienently???) ignored Joran throwing wine in Peter’s face? And does anyone know what transpired and what was said AFTER the tape stopped? I mean, you would think that Paulus would comment, Anita would comment, and Peter would comment? There must be some sort of verbal exchanges made that would have continued to be very telling in showing the true colors of the 3 stooges: Joran, Paulus, and Anita. What a SICKO family!

      And in my mind I can just hear Anita making excuses for this: “Oh my poor victimized misunderstood innocent son is just overwhelmed with all the stress and terrible things you people say about him.

      Where’s a handy mafia thug when you need one? Take out this whole pathetic family and save taxpayer money!

    91. Wade on January 14th, 2008 2:34 am

      Joran does have anger management issues. Joran tries to bait Peter to apologize if he is cleared and throws the wine when Peter challenges him back.

      For looking into Natalee’s background, the detectives need a clear answer from the boys last seen with Natalee to rule them out. The boys have never given a clear whereabouts after leaving CnC with Natalee. Where did they take Natalee? There is cell phone tracks for brief time periods but no long location stays. They are digging their own grave to continue to lie or keep quiet.

    92. LilPuma on January 14th, 2008 2:48 am

      Everything was quiet on the Joran/Aruba front. We read the updates from the Persistance and quietly prayed that Natalee could be brought home. Then Anita, Paulus and Joran decided to proclaim Joran’s innocence and tell all in The Netherlands his side of the story. Show the Dutch that he’s been a victim so once again he can live his life and they can look people in Aruba in the eye once again. But Joran blew it. Again. It’s in the news, all over the internet, in countries all over the world. The site meter was hopping Saturday: Saudi Arabia? Yea, and a dozen other countries learning that Joran will resort to something physical if he gets angry. That’s just one blog. Peter called him a liar. Joran admits in his book he is a liar. Yet this angers Joran to the point of throwing something. Peter DeVries knows Joran is a sociopath and a murderer and Joran knows this. It wasn’t about calling him a liar at all.

    93. Carpe Noctem on January 14th, 2008 5:25 am

      disgustedmom on January 11th, 2008 9:34 pm

      I wanna get in on the Deepak email thing…..

      “Dated June 5, 2005

      How are you i hope you and your family is fine.(NAME DELETED) is better i tell you the truth , before it will be a shock for you later, but i think it will be a shock for you right now.”

      “The missing girl natalee hollaway, I spoke to her , Sunday she left with me , my brother and a friend from Carlos n’ Charlies , it was my car like the news said she got in to, I am one of the persons of intrest , i am one the the students they’ve questioned and released as they claimed in the news . ”






      (local or international)


      Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 00:33:15 +0000 stamp



      my friend offered to help get to her room she said no. she he stepped in the car and while i was driving away i saw natalee walking towards the lobby and a gentleman with a walkie talkie and black clothes approached her and i think they were talking and i had never seen natalee again sinds.(holiday inn has no cameras in the driveway or lobby) it was around 2.15 am


      we said mam you have to believe us we did not do anything with you daughter, she was crying and said i don’t believe you 2 , i promise you i will make you life a living hell because of this . anwyas we said we were sorry again ans that we will help in any way possible



      *******anyways we said we were sorry again ans that we will help in any way possible*******






      SUN, JUNE 5TH, 2005


      source: CBS


      (WHEN DID HE SAY 2?)



      when this all is over they will still be talks that were the 3 guys that had something to do with the kidnap of natalee its a small island.they don’t understand the pressure we are having also, if this girl turns up dead we have a problem we were the last seen with her.

      *********** i went home 7 pm tuesday 5/31/2005 **********

      , i was then called 2 pm by the police for questioning i went gave a statement they said i was a witness no suspect the same went for my brother and my friend ****** they were questioned and *****had to sign their statement******* also the *****checked my car and i was clear to go.********



      - Mr. Hand

      Jeff Spicoli:

      I am just learning about LIE-RUBA & ENJOYIN’ SOME FOOD…

      This is U.S. History, I see the globe right there.


    94. Wang cares on January 14th, 2008 5:36 am

      #12 Richard, I really do not understand why you encourage people to send e-mails to Hero Brinkman of the PVV.

      Perhaps you should look into the ideas of the PVV a bit more closely? They are nothing more than a bunch of racists! That is their only motivation for calling these people thieves – because they are black!

    95. SillyCrazyMe on January 14th, 2008 7:24 am

      What a load of crap. There is no body! Therefore no case.

      And about the anger management issues. The person ” attacked” was extremely annoying during the entire interview. What if Joran really is innocent? Then it must be really upsetting to have to sit at a table with someone who is constantly digging up old history and presenting it as new facts.

      Also, just the mere suggestion that anyone who ever threw some drink in somebody’s face has A) issues with anger management and B) must automatically also be capable of rape and murder is RIDICULOUS! Then we would all have murderers and rapists living in our streets.
      SM: If you think that Joran’s actions were OK you are an idiot ,,, a troll and a fool.

    96. resolution on January 14th, 2008 8:03 am

      ok…I’ve got problem….why is it that jvds admits to lying, making up a story with the two k bros. at the beginning because HE WAS SCARED. If HE WAS SCARED, why on earth would the k bros. go along with the story. Were they just as SCARED to go along with this story-making? Why on earth, if jvds just “left her @ the beach…alone” would the k bros. need to go along with the lie? Does anyone see what I mean? If Natalee was alone with jvds, then what would they have to hide? Why point out two security guards? Why is jvds so scared when he has papa to bail him out? And why does Anita admit she had doubts at first regarding her son’s innocense and then to turn around and say it was impossible for him to be involved?

      Those pieces of scum…….

    97. resolution on January 14th, 2008 8:06 am

      and wtf is this about Anita saying jvds went to a psychiatrist for gambling in a casino & staying out too late when he did it all over again the night natalee disappeared AND at the same table as his own father! Dispicable!

    98. Miss-Underestimated on January 14th, 2008 9:36 am


      Joran can’t stand it, it’s like how dare Peter question him like a criminal. Joran has been treated by many as the victim in this case, unlike the true victim, Natalee.

      I love it, Joran can’t handle being questioned like a suspect or criminal that he is.

      Peter….you pressed Joran’s buttons..wonderful job.

      I love it, there are way more who believe Joran is guilty. than the Joran supporters have led on.

      Anger management 101: Do not do anything that shows how you really are, when the camera is rolling.

    99. Amsterdam 020 on January 14th, 2008 10:36 am

      I also watched the show. And although I’m certainly not convinced that Joran had nothing to do with the dissapearance of Natalee, Peter de Vries did not do a good job in the show AT ALL.

      In the Netherlands PdV is known for his crime show on Dutch tv and he actually got some (cold) cases solved or reviewed by the court.

      However, in this case the only thing he seems to be able to repeat over and over again is his conclusion that because Joran lied, he must have something to do with the dissapearance of Natalee.
      Well, neither in the Netherlands nor in the US this is enough for a conviction.
      Contrary to Paul Witteman and Jeroen Pauw, PdV was not behaving as a good journalist at all but rather as someone with a huge ego and tunnel vision.

      I’m flabbergasted by the armchair psychology people are presenting here (and on the Dutch blogs) without any reservation.

      Should the Aruban prosecutor believe that it had enough DIRECT evidence to get Joran and/or the Kalpoe brothers convicted, he would have brought Joran to court.

    100. dennisintn on January 14th, 2008 10:40 am

      #95, you’re well named, silly.

    101. on January 14th, 2008 10:41 am

      #95 – it was Joran and his family that agreed to the interview and even got to set the rules. If he didn’t want to be questioned he didn’t have to go.

      Joran supposedly admits in his book that is a chronic liar. Joran says he first lied because he was scared. So why would Joran lie about the size of his shoes? Is one’s shoe size also scary? Why did he lie about who picked him up? Why did he lie about where they went that night? Which time was he lying when he said Natalee was drunk and then he said she wasn’t? Was he scared about that too? We could go on and on about Joran’s lies throughout the entire 2.5 years. Heck, he hasn’t stopped lying!

    102. Ralph on January 14th, 2008 10:45 am

      Peter continued to hammer on the lies about the drop off. Nobody lies when they have nothing to hide. This is basic human nature.

      Do you think he continues to lie about Satish bringing him home because it was actually Paulus who met him and assisted with the disposal of Natalee? Joran holds particularly close to this lie.

      Hodges says Deepak and Joran likely disposed of Natalee along with their friend who had the boat, while Satish and Paulus exchanged emails and surfed the web appearing to be Joran and Deepak.

    103. nurturer on January 14th, 2008 10:50 am

      What this Joran Van Der sloot kid needs is an old fashioned ASS WHOOPING. Not a simple “bend over and slap”, but a real blood and guts, “boots to the ribs” ass kicking and he’s never had that.

      Due to his size, coupled with his degenerate, Down Syndrome expressioned father’s constant support and consent, he walks around with the air of invinsibility that a bully enjoys, which would be shaken with a well placed jab, followed by a hard and fast right cross to the jaw. My belief is Joran simply does not know what that feels like.

      Not a 5′ 4″, 110 lb. female., which I assume Joran is used to intimidating, but a moderately trained boxer, say, 190 – 210 lbs., 5′ 10″ minimum could do the job.

      We could get to see it yet.

    104. nurturer on January 14th, 2008 11:01 am

      #95 – Grow up.

    105. Miss-Underestimated on January 14th, 2008 11:04 am

      I wonder if Natalee was any of the naysayers daughters how they would conclude, after the following statemetns;

      “Something bad happened to Natalee”
      “no body no case”
      Oh and how bout on June 10, 2005, “the suspect confessed and is leading the ALE to the BODY of Natalee Holloway”

      You can fool some people, some of the time, but you can’t fool all of the people, all of the time”

      Perfume the pigs

    106. nurturer on January 14th, 2008 11:21 am

      #99 – If lying is not indicative of trying to cover guilt, then perhaps you could enlighten us with a description of what the purpose of lying is.

      It would appear, even from as far away as across the Atlantic, that Peter de Vries has no interest in soft balling the issue of whether or not Joran Van Der Sloot was responsible for the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. He knows and WE KNOW that Joran was fully responsible. Joran and the Kalpoes were there when they gang raped and eventually killed Natalee Holloway.

      Too many jounalists give this rapist and murderer a free ride. Clear thinking people know, as well as Joran Van Der Sloot knows, that he is fully responsible for the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

      What flabbergasts me is the naievete of people who are very willing to allow courts systems to do their thinking for them.

    107. mommytraveler on January 14th, 2008 11:28 am

      It seems plain and simple that the Vandersloots have something on the Kalpoe brothers and vice versa – otherwise, one would implicate the other. Probably both know what they did with Natalee’s body. If only Paulus knows where the body is, the Kalpoes are beyond stupid not to reveal that information one way or another. If they know, it would be also be easy to leak it somewhere and have the discoverers just proclaim, “We found Natalee.” So, just what do the Vandersloots have on the Kalpoe brothers to ensure their silence, but frighten them so much — and what do the Kalpoe brothers have on the Vandersloots to enrage Joran so much?

      This is a stressful game they are playing. Neither trusts the other. And now, Joran is obviously buckling and breaking under the pressure. Why? To cover for his father? He was a minor at the time of Natalee’s disappearance and probably not subject to the same penalties as an adult. Deepak, on the other hand, was of adult age and has more to lose. Joran is a train wreck waiting to happen again. Joran will eventually be the one to “lose it all” – wine throwing is just the beginning.

      Anita – you must have you head totally in the Aruban sand. You have no friends – anybody that you call a friend is a potential witness against you and anything you say or do. Even your other boys are potential witnesses against you. They must really resent all this attention on Joran. Even their friends are always listening and waiting for an opportunity to “out” you and your family. You lost control of Joran when he moved into that apartment and was free to come and go, to watch and download porn, drink and use drugs, drug and seduce unsuspecting girls right under your nose. None of this is normal behavior for an underage teen – no matter how you spin it, Anita. He’s been laughing at you for years. Anita, are you not actually afraid of Joran?

      A dysfunctional family is a understatement. Joran controls that household.

    108. disgustedmom on January 14th, 2008 11:28 am

      Carpe, Deepak’s email con’t

      “my friend offered to help get to her room she said no. she he stepped in the car and while i was driving away i saw natalee walking towards the lobby and a gentleman with a walkie talkie and black clothes approached her and i think they were talking and i had never seen natalee again sinds.(holiday inn has no cameras in the driveway or lobby) it was around 2.15 am”

      While he was driving away he saw a lot of stuff. How so? Was he looking in his rear view mirror?

      No cameras in the driveway or lobby? Why didn’t Deepak ADD the obvious? That therefore there was no way to know if she ever went inside or not and no way to prove he DID drop her off? Show a little concern for Natalee (by stating there was no way to know if she went inside after being dumped, erm I mean dropped off)instead of just for his own self IF he really had no idea what became of her. His lack of concern for what became of Natalee is quite telling in his email to his pal Betty.

      More email….

      “so we arrived like 12.30 am in carlos (carlos is closing 1 pm ) and headed straight for the bar and bought 3 drinks my friend paid for them, so besides the bar there is a stage and people were dancing and there was natalee dancing too (thats the first time i saw her )and she was calling my friend to get on the stage and dance with her my friend laughed and refused so after the song was finished she came up to my friend and asked why he won’t dance with her , i only heared that part because i was talking to someone else so i don’t know what he responded(by then natalee was VERY drunk)so as i said i was talking to someone when i turned i had lost my brother , natalee and my friend. well they were announced that they were closing soon so i thought well maybe they’ re waiting for me by the car its better i go there so i went to my car ..”

      Got to CC’s at 12:30.

      Bar closed at 1.

      Before last call(less than a half hour out clubbing after showering and all that for the occasion), night over, except Deepak says he figured Joran, Satish AND Natalee had gone to the car. So Deepak goes to his car before the bar officially closed. Night not over.

      And here’s a thing too…why does Deepak need to say who bought the drinks? Too much detail, Mr Kalpoe. What’s the real story? Were the drinks free? Or did you not even have any drinks because there wasn’t time in that half hour?

      Clearly Deepak is ‘saying’ by not saying that J2K had a plan that when Joran was gone from Deepak’s sight and also Natalee was gone Deepak was to go straight to his car so the abduction could take place.

      Not in the email, but significant just the same, Deepak said in one of his statements that his first contact with those he came with AFTER going out to his car was only with Satish (when Satish came and brought him the car keys), then later Joran and Natalee. That might mean something like, Joran had not yet seduced Natalee away – which would make better sense in that her friends saw her standing outside CC’s AFTER the bar closed, not during the last call time that Deepak claims they all came to his car out back.

      They seriously don’t want this to look like an abduction! They seriously need for Natalee to have walked out back on her own accord, opened her own door different from the one Joran used, and went off to ‘play’ willingly with all 3 of them. I don’t believe it.

      Taxi? I’d say so.

      Here’s what I think….Deepak goes out to get the car warmed up. Joran and Satish do not show up with Natalee as planned. Satish shows up and tells Deepak Joran is having trouble getting the girl. Deepak sends Satish back inside to see what is going on. Joran says Natalee is walking toward the bus/taxi stands. Joran and Satish get in Deepak’s car and they drive around the block, find Natalee walking and Joran offers her a ride in HIS taxi back to the HI where he is also, ahem, staying.

      I can’t believe Natalee went off with 3 strangers to tour the island. She may have gone if she’d been able to get another girl to also go, but she couldn’t (as one of her classmates said she DID ask) so Natalee then only wanted to go back to the hotel.

    109. JusticeforNatalee on January 14th, 2008 11:31 am








    110. JusticeforNatalee on January 14th, 2008 11:42 am

      Lying any time is bad.

      Lying during a murder investigation is serious business
      and suspicious behavior. Innocent people do not need to lie.

      And don’t forget–Joran added extra details (such as Natalee falling), most likely to cover any injuries that might show if her body were found.

      Also, Joran did not come clean on the Holiday Inn lie until
      he HAD to–then he just made up another lie.

      Joran didn’t care that the security guards were taking the blame.

      And also–Joran didn’t care that Natalee’s family was distraught and searching everywhere for her.

      So don’t come on this blog and try to say these lies were minimal because they absolutely were NOT.

      When the LAST PERSON seen with a missing person is lying, lying, lying–It is MAJOR.

    111. Amsterdam 020 on January 14th, 2008 11:43 am


      Yeah yeah of course we all suspect what happened to Natalee and who is responsible for what happened to Natalee….

      You claim to know that she was gang raped and killed by Joran as well as both Kalpoe brothers. Some other people ‘know’ that only Joran is responsible for her dissapearance. Some people think Paul van der Sloot is responsible. Others think that only one of the Kalpoe brothers did it. Even on this forum there are several theories about the actual event and responsible parties.

      But you have to admit; nobody (except the kidnapper/raper/killer) KNOWS for sure what happened to her. Nobody even has all the information regarding this case to base this ‘clear thinking’ on.

      In his first show Peter de Vries stated that Joran was definitely responsible for the dissapearance of Natalee. Now he is already backing out saying that he is not sure if Joran is responsible but that he just thinks that Joran has more information and that he was possible involuntarily involved……

    112. nurturer on January 14th, 2008 12:56 pm

      #111 – And no one saw Scott Peterson cut his wife into little bits, but we all know that he did.

      Don’t we?

    113. Carpe Noctem on January 14th, 2008 1:01 pm

      Changing his story of how

      he (Joran) arrived home

      that night

      > 4 times (count them: one, two, three, four)


      ‘BY JINGO’ up on this, Anita… you UNHINGED friggin’

      FRUIT LOOP. You’re madder than the March Hare at


      I believe some people in the business

      call those “DOOZIES!”

      Take a powder, & sit your a$$ back down on the couch

      please. You need some rest; you’re not well. -j4n

    114. Steve Holloway on January 14th, 2008 1:05 pm

      Some people need to read all the facts in the case before they post commits.
      I noticed when I froze the picture while watching Joran, he had an extremely angry looking face of rage right after the non apology thing. Then I think he had the idea about throwing the wine, because of the little smirk of a smile moments later. After he threw it..freeze the picture again and you see Paulus seeing the wine hitting the face and freeze again a moment later and you see Paulus looking directly ahead and not doing nothing. Anita is looking like she is having a meltdown. (ooonooo no again) The timing could have not been worst for her, but the world knows now the kind of person Joran is. No one has the right to inflict bodily harm to another human being if you don’t like what is said about you. For Joran to say he was sorry does not change who he really is. Joran confesses he lies….and his mother needs to stop thinking her boy is sweet and respectful to girls. She hopes for the best. I hope God works on her heart and moves her to do the right thing. I have to remeber in all this that I am a sinner also. God forgives me as I forgive others. I have to remind myself often to forgive them.

    115. Carpe Noctem on January 14th, 2008 1:11 pm



      Taxi? I’d say so.

      Precisely. It was a long running scam & worked

      like a charm many times before…

      …and then they crossed the path of Nat, and their
      world changed overnight.



    116. ben on January 14th, 2008 1:19 pm

      95,,hi Joran that is you i belive.

    117. NM on January 14th, 2008 1:38 pm

      Red #76,
      You caught me! lol. I don’t how many times I incorrectly try to apply human emotions, morals, and decency to the people of the ditch. They are a feces species and not capable of such things!

    118. Sharon Chicago on January 14th, 2008 1:41 pm


    119. Ralph on January 14th, 2008 1:43 pm

      To Steve Holloway:

      I never met Natalee but I am captured by her innocent beauty and her intelligence. Beth said she never got a “B” in her life. How many people can say that? She had the whole package, many gifts from God and more than her fair share. God must have special plans for this special girl.

      I am not ready to forgive these monsters. Not only did they take her life, but they took all the lives she’d have saved as a physician, as she planned to become, and not to mention the lives of her future children, grandchildren, great grandchildren. When someone is murdered its more than a single life that is taken and destroyed.

      I want these monsters to pay for what they have done. To think that Joran has photoshopped pics of himself with Natalee to make fun of her. Do his parents think this is funny too? Monsters, all of them. I hope their is a HELL for these people. I am certainly capable of putting another log on the fire, if you know what I mean.

    120. Sharon Chicago on January 14th, 2008 1:53 pm

      What type of justice do you offer your people ALE when you allow Joran and the Kalpoes to fabricate lies and scenarios over and over again and you don’t kick their asses with interogations that are able to stop their lieing?

      Instead you move into acceptance…well we just don’t know which story is the truth or if any of them are…..

      The message you send Aruba is commit a murder/rape and give us several version stories of what happened and we will let you go free.

      That does not fly here…you will be called accountable Aruba for your injustice crimes

    121. Miss-Underestimated on January 14th, 2008 1:58 pm

      Thanks for the post Mr. Holloway.

      I’ve viewed the video, again, and it looks to me as though Paulus might even have a smile on his face when he looks at Peter after he got the wine in his eyes.

      If I were Anita, I would be very worried about the other children in the VDS home, they are younger than Joran, and if his anger is as volatile as on the video, I fear for the other children.

    122. minnesota dad on January 14th, 2008 3:00 pm

      111 – Amsterdam…

      Before trying to rationalize Joran and Paulus out of their crimes, please answer this question for us:

      What is the definition of “Conflict of Interest” in Dutch Law/Aruban Style?

      We cannot banter back in forth with you until this is answered. As you claim that no one knows what Joran did….ummmm you may recall there was a confession that was ‘torn up’ because the suspect was questioned for ten minutes longer than Dutch Law/Aruban style allows.

      Lots of folks in Aruba know exactly what went down. Now answer my question.


    123. Sahara on January 14th, 2008 4:08 pm

      I’d like to taze that punk until the truth spilled out of his vile mouth.

    124. Maggie on January 14th, 2008 4:24 pm

      lol Mayan.. usually doing three things at once, guess I should proofread more often. btw I totally agree with you #82 & 86


      JORAN WINER.. Gotta love when the anchor says Joran will be like OJ, just keep coming back.

      Fox News where Greg Jarett and his coanchor call Joran a jerk..

      MSNBC Analyst, Clint Van Zandt, Former FBI Profiler.. Joran and the wine throwing

    125. Maggie on January 14th, 2008 4:30 pm

      This sure don’t sound like how Joran and Paulus and Anita tell it.. Sounds more like the person we have watched about 3 years now. Anita is worried about him going out gambling and running, they why in the world would you put your 14 year old son out of the house into his own place? Cuckoooo time..

      Moreover, Dompig says, this summer F.B.I. profilers completed a detailed psychological evaluation. “He struck us, and the F.B.I., as a guy who can make you believe he’s God’s gift to mothers-in-law,” Dompig says. “But if you look at his actions, he’s anything but. The F.B.I. profiled him as a person who never has been corrected by his parents. He’s the boss of what happens in that house. He’s the boss in the family. He is allowed to do anything.… If a person like that is in a position where a person says, ‘No,’ well, that person may change completely. Maybe he blew a fuse when she wouldn’t have sex with him, and something happened.”

    126. Sharon Chicago on January 14th, 2008 4:48 pm

      Thanks Maggie for the news links….

      Also, I clicked on one link from Holland where Joran was being interviewed for his book. I do not understand the dutch language… BUT…
      Joran was reeling while discussing his book. His ego was so inflated…he was thrilled I could tell..
      What a sociopath he is!

    127. StillCrazierMe on January 14th, 2008 5:02 pm

      Noone forced Joran to sit at no table and talk. They agreed to come on and talk. If he didn’t want to answer the tough questions, he should’ve stayed home. Still he has not answered the questions, he would rather throw wine in the face of the person asking.. such as How did you get home that night.. He says Satish, the other 2 say neither of them picked him up. If he wanted anything else, he should keep his nose out of the limelight and go home and let Anita read him more fairy tales.

      Was watching a news clip about that man they are looking for, for the murder of the Marine woman and her unborn child. The dr was saying this man has no history of trouble, nor did Scott Peterson and some others. He said there are thousands of sociopaths walking around us everyday, they may abuse women, or cheat and lie, but if someone gets in the way of what they want or want to do, then they may well cross the lines.

    128. Miss-Underestimated on January 14th, 2008 5:21 pm

      BTW, what look is that Joran is emulating, Fidel Castro?

    129. brie on January 14th, 2008 5:21 pm

      Your not a pretty picture Joran, your father smiled and your mother looked away…..! It’s no wonder that you are what you are!!!!

    130. brie on January 14th, 2008 5:24 pm

      The day will come!!!

    131. brie on January 14th, 2008 5:33 pm

      I would think by now Anita’s lively hood would be questioned. Paulus and Joran’s statements can be used as witnesses….Hans it’s on the table! They claim to be innocent but they have information as to the disappearance of Natalee!!!

    132. Carpe Noctem on January 14th, 2008 6:01 pm

      SM: If you think that Joran’s actions were OK you are an idiot ,,, a troll and a fool.


      R, I agree.

      Yep! It takes a REAL BRAVE GUY to ambush

      a drugged 5ft 4 110 pound petite baby girl.

      > Sucker Punch.

      It takes a REAL MANNNNN to throw wine in

      a another man’s face, who is simply trying to get

      up from his spot at the interview table.

      > Sucker Hawaiian Punch.

      … Peter D., get in touch with your

      “inner short hairs”

      & pile drive that Elmer

      Fudd lookin’ mo-fizzle.

      He looked like he was dressed

      up to go huntin’ deer with

      Forest Gump yesterday.

      All he was missing was a duck call!

      > File assault charges, dude. -j4n

    133. mommytraveler on January 14th, 2008 6:08 pm

      Joran – Just exactly what career path did you think your wine throwing incident would lead you to? Just exactly what type of girl would be interested in a jerk who displays this pathetic type of behavior? Just exactly what type of business would/could ever consider you for employment?

    134. MBS on January 14th, 2008 6:12 pm

      What gets me is the look on Joran’s face after he throws the wine. He looks very pleased with himself, almost giddy. I guess this incident will just reinforce his belief that the rules don’t apply to him, since de Vries is not pressing charges. Someone, someday, really should let Joran know that he is not above the law, but I guess that’s not going to happen anytime soon.

    135. Carpe Noctem on January 14th, 2008 6:15 pm


      Miss-Underestimated on January 13th, 2008 11:22 pm

      Dam Anita, my what you been eating?

      From the looks of it, small children

      & an occasional house pet.

    136. JusticeforNatalee on January 14th, 2008 6:20 pm

      Thanks for reminding us of this statement, Maggie:

      “Maybe he blew a fuse when she wouldn’t have sex with him, and something happened.”

      Is that what happened, Joran?

    137. kayjay on January 14th, 2008 7:17 pm

      #99 Amsterdam
      Sorry in particular I don’t agree with your last parapgraph.
      The Aruban Authorities have had plenty of evidence against those punks..they just chose to conveniently misplace it or more likely destroy it in my opinion for obvious reasons which anyone with half a brain can figure out. They are imo covering up a horrible crime for the VDS’ and probably those higher up in the “food (and drug) chain”..they all have stuff on each other..and that also goes for Miss bubblehead Karin Janssen wgo chose ( for more very interesting reasons known intimately to herself, but which I can take a guess at) to give that slimy, sweating snake, PVDS a “get out of jail free” card.

    138. Bob on January 14th, 2008 7:38 pm


      While eating dinner tonight and watching the N.Y. main TV news channel (NBC-4), they showed the now famous Wine Attack clip. LOL! More public disgrace to the “sloots” family in particular, and secondarilly to ARUBA as they represent the best family example Aruba has to offer.

      It was beyond priceless, for everything else, there’s Mastercard. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

    139. Ralph on January 14th, 2008 7:43 pm

      Lay off the cookies Anita! Your @$$ looks like the side of a barn. It’s no wonder Paulus gets confused at night and gets lost in your hairy armpits. Your @$$ is a barn and your arms look as big as a fat person’s thighs.

    140. EURobert on January 14th, 2008 7:43 pm

      # Steve Holloway on January 14th, 2008 1:05 pm

      I’m impressed you can even think of trying to forgive this person.
      I guess I wouldn’t be able to do that; especially as long as he hasn’t shown any remorse. And what I don’t understand either is: in the Dutch laws the penalty for let’s say manslaughter is only some 4 or 6 years inprissonment if i’m correct – way to short I think. Why doesn’t he just take that and make a new start after that.
      But I have no trust in him anymore what-so-ever; I am more and more of the opinion that he really is a sociopath who holds his family in hostage with this all as well. And they still don’t see it!!!

      I have to go to bed now (it’s 00.45 am here now)… I can only wish you much strength and hope very much that the Persistence has succes with it’s mission.

    141. Richard on January 14th, 2008 7:43 pm

      10061096 … It’s true that not all of Aruba’s land has been searched. But the searches that have been done have yielded no results, as far as I know.

      I’m just wondering at what point people might start to give more credence to the idea that Natalee was taken off the island alive than now seems to be the case.

      Also, EURobert … I don’t believe Joran’s statement that he had planned the wine-tossing before the show. It seems far too implausible.

      Another example of the psychopath … no matter what he does, he can come up with a lie which, in his mind (and nobody else’s), justifies an act.

    142. Bob on January 14th, 2008 7:44 pm

      Let’s see……Anita doesn’t work, Joran doesn’t work, Paulus has no visible job, the whole group has a dump for a house. Yet the 3 have enough $$$ to afford plane fare, hotel, etc. to NL. Source of income? Drugs? Private porno tape production? Nah, probably big winners as those spiffy 4th rate casinos and bingo hall. Yeah that’s it.

    143. nuntukamen on January 14th, 2008 7:53 pm


      Peter de Vries, acting as the test module, says that he is proud that Joran Van Der Sloot had passed his Anger Test with flying colors. Trained under Mark Purcell, the infamous anger producer MIP6 of online fame, Joran appeared at a nationally televised programming to determine the worth of his anger management training. “He usually at the point he threw the wine would be choking, raping, or beating the person who had angered him to death,” pointed out Coach Purcell. Both parents, having witnessed such lethal behavior in their son earlier during his residence on Aruba, were very proud that he had reduced his reaction from murder to just tossing a little liquid into someone’s face. “We are very, very proud.” Paulus said. Joran’s mother was hesitant, however, and did not trust he was completely innocent, though; “Peter forgot his line that if raped he would go to the police, so we’ll never really know whether my delicious little sporter is truly well or not.”
      In a sidenote, Greta Van Sustern announced she was inclined to believe that Joran was now fully peaceful in his anger management.

    144. mayan_moons on January 14th, 2008 8:24 pm

      Hey Maggie!

      Your typo tickled me hon and like you i’m always multitasking & and i sometimes foret to tape down my third thumb (lol) The only difference is i think that was your first one compared to my many.

      Typo’s or not your posts always blow me away with content and your ability to condense ALL this info into a easy to read compilation of the facts of the case….some i’ve even forgotton about.

      You Rock Maggie!~

    145. mayan_moons on January 14th, 2008 8:27 pm

      Carpe said:

      Peter D., get in touch with your

      “inner short hairs”

      & pile drive that Elmer

      Fudd lookin’ mo-fizzle.

      He looked like he was dressed

      up to go huntin’ deer with

      Forest Gump yesterday.

      All he was missing was a duck call!

      LMAO Carpe!

      You nailed it friend!~

    146. mayan_moons on January 14th, 2008 8:39 pm

      Hey Miss-U!

      Haven’t seen Dennis Bag O Donuts for a long time, maybe Anita ate him!

    147. JusticeforNatalee on January 14th, 2008 9:30 pm

      #144 I agree about Maggie’s posts.
      They are ALWAYS interesting and FILLED with important info.

    148. Betsy on January 14th, 2008 11:57 pm

      can someone put Anita on a diet? Her rump is so huge in nearly blocked the screen making it hard to see darling Joran doing what he does best….

      Don’t anyone worry about Paulus. At the rate his gut is overflowing his belt, he will have a coronary in the next 5 years and we will be done with him. He can begin his stint in HELL eternally burning. Joran will be free and it will all have been worth it to “PROTECT” him.

    149. Richard on January 15th, 2008 12:28 am

      Bob … Actually, Paulus of the Ditch is working in a law office, or was the last I knew (I guess ethical standards on Aruba are lax … or did we know that already?), and Anita is still at the International School, goodness only knows how.

    150. Richard on January 15th, 2008 12:31 am

      EURobert … Are you sure that his family doesn’t see it? Or is the old denial mode still working?

      Or maybe there’s a reason why PvdS and Anita won’t tell the truth …. My guess is, they’re all afraid for their lives. If so, who is the possible executioner? Certainly not Oduber or Jacobs ….

      How about a drug lord who took Natalee off the island, after Joran and/or Paulus handed her over to him, and who made it very clear what will happen to anyone who squeals ….

      Dance with the devil, and things will happen.

    151. Betsy on January 15th, 2008 1:16 am

      I don’t think this crime has so many layers of perps. It was a bunch of bad boys (J2K at a minimum) that planned to abduct Natalee, a beautiful innocent girl, rape her and dump her back at her hotel just in time for her flight but not with enough time to report their crimes.

      Joran probably got angry (we know now that he has a temper issue) and beat her to death.

      Like the preppie killer that killed Jennifer Levin, Joran now engages in gallows humor by making fun of Natalee with these twisted couples poses, to absolve his guilt or set it aside.

    152. Betsy on January 15th, 2008 1:29 am

      Gallows Humor from Wikipedia:

      Gallows humor is a type of humor that arises from stressful, traumatic or life-threatening situations such as accidents, wartime events, natural disasters; often in circumstances where death is perceived as impending and unavoidable. It is similar to black comedy but differs in that it is made by the person affected.

      The apocryphal story of the condemned man being led into the execution chamber. The condemned prisoner points to the electric chair and asks the prison warden:

      “Are you quite sure this thing’s safe?”

    153. Betsy on January 15th, 2008 1:30 am

      Sigmund Freud in his 1927 essay Humour (Der Humor) puts forth the following theory of the gallows humor: “The ego refuses to be distressed by the provocations of reality, to let itself be compelled to suffer. It insists that it cannot be affected by the traumas of the external world; it shows, in fact, that such traumas are no more than occasions for it to gain pleasure”. Some other sociologists elaborated this concept further. At the same time, Paul Lewis warns that this “liberating” aspect of gallows jokes depends on the context of the joke: whether the joke is being told by the threatened person themselves or by someone else. [1]

    154. molly in houston on January 15th, 2008 2:13 am

      150: Richard. I always get the lingering feeling that you are right. No one has really investigated the drug lords or the gated properties on Aruba. Why? Because they are all-powerful. Everyone now knows what will happen to you if you go against any of them, i.e. bulldog. Frankly, I wonder, once in a while, if Natalee and Amy Bradly have run into each other.

      But then, there is the Persistence……So what can I say for sure?

      boycott Aruba

      molly in houston

    155. Carl on January 15th, 2008 2:18 am

      Goodluck with your Boycotting of Aruba! People won;t stop going there.

    156. benh on January 15th, 2008 6:50 am

      Carl ,,,,people have already stoped going there.

    157. brie on January 15th, 2008 6:55 am

      Deepak obviously knows something because he said if they find that girl they are going to see the chit on her. It would be of no surprise if Joran hadn’t of beaten up Natalee. But how would Deepak know that if he wasn’t there or did Joran tell him. Deepak wants to remain silent because Joran probably has a lot of scoop on him and Satish. They are both in fear of being sent back to Surinam. Maybe Paulus threatened them with the fact that he could issue the paper work to have them removed from the island.

    158. Dolf on January 15th, 2008 7:09 am

      EURObert, you are forgetting the TBS..that is usualy the real punishment.

      TBS: Ter Beschikking Stelling…means that the gov. controls you and will decide when you leave its care.

      so you see a murderer get 6 years and TBS and that can mean he will be out in 4-6 years or he will never be out.

    159. Dolf on January 15th, 2008 7:10 am

      btw..lets lay off the fat jokes against misses van der Sloot..she had nothing to do with it.

      and esp. fat jokes from US ppl are just too…silly (considering the obecety(?) rates in the US)

    160. Betsy on January 15th, 2008 8:12 am

      Good Carl; if they do go they may never leave. {{wink}}

    161. Carpe Noctem on January 15th, 2008 10:53 am

      Nobody with a few brain cells,

      and a couple of sheckles

      to rub together, is going to an island where its

      inhabitants are allowed to murder

      tourists, carte blanche!



      Van der sloot, sounds like BOAT.

      “AND DATS THE F A C T, JACK!!!!”

      -Bill Murray “Stripes”

      Deal with it, before I’m forced to put in a call

      to your mother. -j4n

    162. Carpe Noctem on January 15th, 2008 11:04 am
    163. mommytraveler on January 15th, 2008 11:42 am


      Many people have stopped going there. Many, many.

    164. disgustedmom on January 15th, 2008 12:14 pm

      OMG! Just saw Joran’s hostile expression! It’s just a matter of time before Joran breaks this case open! And from the looks of him with his new cool facial hair and his current age that makes him feel invulnerable, Wow! Won’t be long.

      No wonder mommy and daddy sloot won’t make Joran behave. They are obviously scared of him! He can’t control his impulses!

      One last interview? Then why didn’t Joran go ahead and tell ‘the rest of the story he said he’d tell later’?

    165. Miss-Underestimated on January 15th, 2008 12:42 pm


    166. Donna on January 15th, 2008 1:16 pm

      He was dressed like Fidel Castro, like a militant. He is nothing more than an arrogant brat who thinks he got away with the crime of the century and cannot be touched.
      One day, Joran, one day Natalee will have justice and I shall rejoice seeing Joran once again cuffed and thrown in the slammer. He needs a good spanking but he might enjoy it too much. Sickening dispicable excuse of a human being that Joran.

    167. SharonChicago on January 15th, 2008 1:19 pm

      #164 so true… and why would the ALE allow Joran to be walking free telling people someday he will tell the whole story on what happened. They should have re-arrested him just on that statement.

      Aruba once again shame on you.

    168. SharonChicago on January 15th, 2008 1:29 pm

      I don’t think Paulus turned Natalee (after being murdered) over to a drug lord to get rid of her body. Because I think the cage missing at fishermans hut is the clue for her being disposed of and I do not think any drug lord would bother going there to break into fishermans hut for this cage…I think they would have just gotten into a boat and took it for a cruise and then put a weight on her and dropped her in…..SO..

      I think the three (J,2K) broke into fishermans hut and got the cage. Took Natalee and cage in car and maybe Paulus met the three and they put Natalee’s body in Paulus’s car with cage and then left the 2K’s and Paulus and Joran dispposed of her body. Maybe they dropped it off a cliff by the violent shores of Aruba?

      Just one theory.

    169. SharonChicago on January 15th, 2008 1:36 pm

      #157 Brie, I agree that Joran probably beat her to death, after she kicked him in his privates or envoked him with her refusal by fighting him off.

      I think Joran murdered her but all three were there to rape her so the 2K’s know that they played a part in her demise/murder by partaking in the rape.

      They are probably scared shitless (excuse expression) to come forth since they know big brother is watching them and that Paulus has connections to the underworld of crime and that their lives would be worthless if they talked.

      I hope they know there is a backdoor to escape and that would be to comeforth and tell the truth. As it stands they are already condemmed in their soul …until they repent and confess their hinus sins and they are also tormented by the thought of Paulus putting a contract out on them.

    170. SharonChicago on January 15th, 2008 1:57 pm


      Could Joran be Simian, His Lordship?
      Could the Arawaks be the 2K’s?
      Could the key in the car be Natalee’s lost hotel room key they could not find?
      Hope lies with the cowbous,
      but the posse was too late
      Eden is still distant Does this mean the cowboy being Natalee and the possee meanting J & 2K’s were running late on their rape mission looking for Natalee’s keys to enter Eden? Eden meaning her room to rape her and to leave her their so she would not remember what happened the next day?
      The cowboys must behave in Indian territory..Natalee needs to give them what they want the 2K’s. No Wampum…no hotel room so they rape her in the moonlight. Joran the Awarak and the 2K’s which are the two Hindus, leave radio up singing on car as they rape her.
      The babalonians also refer to Joran and Hindus to the 2K’s

      Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:26 pm
      Simian, his lordship did not bring the expected key
      the door never existed
      Eden is distant

      Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:33 pm
      Simian, His Lordship did not bring the key found in the car, it did not exist
      The arawaks can’t open the door
      Hope lies with the cowbous,
      but the posse was too late
      Eden is still distant

      Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:12 pm
      Cowboys must behave in Indian territory
      The arawaks need pemmican, they have been without wampum, 1 Moon
      The Arawaks keep the singing card
      One singing Babylonian and two Hindu chanters are enough
      His lordships presence guarantees a trio
      The key to edens door did not exist
      The refrain has already begun

      Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:22 pm
      The babylonians knew it was dangerous to trade among the arawaks
      The way is clouded for the sacrifice
      Rules have changed, so has the maze
      the way is lost for the pioneers who went to live among the indians
      The flames are growing
      A sacrifice will be made to spare the police;
      to spare the teepees
      Singing cards have lost their power
      Arawaks worried about being caught with dirty hand
      His lordship will bestow the title soon….
      They will save the teepees and the palace,
      but first
      The Sacrifice

      Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:43 pm
      Meetings with his lordship will reveal several mysteries
      the sacrifice also knows the fires have been lit

      Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 6:13 pm
      His lordship did not bring the key, it does not exist.
      doors to eden remain closed.
      The arawaks hold the singing cards. They have the babylonian and 2 shivas. But the other card is dirty.
      Even if you play cards in the house of babylon as an arawak, you still have DirtyHand.
      If DirtyHand comes out of hiding, Babylon will fall and the cowboys will circle the wagons.
      DirtyHand can destroy the Arawaks and Babylon.
      Better to prepare the sacrifice quickly so the cowboys go home
      ….without the loot

      Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:32 pm
      His lordship is there to preserve babylon
      not the elder
      remember dirtyhand!

      Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:34 pm
      the struggle between the babylonians and the arawaks still remains hidden
      the arawaks awaited the key
      his lordship said no
      the door to eden remains closed
      they are preparing the fire

      Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:56 pm
      The Simian knows his Lordship did not have a key to open the door to eden
      the answer lies with the Arawak Nation

      Any ideas on who ‘his Lordship’ is?

    171. Sharon Chicago on January 15th, 2008 2:20 pm

      So glad FOX is rerunning today, the insident of Joran thowing wine in Peter De Vries face. Good to see it is being covered in the news around the world.

    172. molly in houston on January 15th, 2008 3:58 pm

      168: Sharon Chicago: Another good theory. One cannot forget the cage. I’m from Maryland where everyone uses crab cages. The crab/victim goes in the cage and can’t get out.

      boycott aruba

      molly in houston

    173. Carpe Noctem on January 15th, 2008 6:53 pm

      nurturer on January 13th, 2008 1:12 pm

      Folks, I’m baffled.

      Can’t this reporter press as assault charge against this punk?

      And if he can, well by all means . . .


      I’ve been asking myself the ***same thing since yesterday. Charge his a$$! Throwing wine
      in someone’s face and eyes is DEFINITELY
      a aggressive/violent act. (assault)

      It does not matter if
      his momma apologizes
      1 million times!


      Tell Anita to cover up that
      over the shoulder boulder

      ‘Nita you’re not supposed to pull the rip cord on your Jane Russell flotation device until you walk OUTSIDE!

      It’s along the same lines as opening an umbrella inside your house.

      You can expect 7 years bad luck.

      Put that sh– back on ho… PUT IT ALL ON!


    174. Carpe Noctem on January 15th, 2008 7:33 pm

      Dolf on January 15th, 2008 7:10 am

      btw..lets lay off the fat jokes against misses van der Sloot..she had nothing to do with it.


      That ol’ mothball smellin’ wind bag needs two klaps

      to her lady garden. She lies in TV Interviews

      for her son, and husband. She keeps telling Greta,

      Kimberly, and others that she’s behind the scenes

      telling Joran to SIMPLY TELL THE TRUTH…. yet if

      you look at A.L.E. reports & documentation …

      she’s doing the exact opposite of what she claims,

      & obstructing the investigation!!!

      That lyin’, two-faced, flea having —ch…

      I hope she gets extreme psoriasis of the cooter, &

      someone drop kicks her a$$ right into the

      middle of Moko Dam. -j4n

    175. Carpe Noctem on January 15th, 2008 7:37 pm
    176. Betsy on January 15th, 2008 7:58 pm

      {{edit – maybe a bit too far with the insults. Not defending her, try not taking it to a personal level like that (klaasend) }}

      You and your family are disgusting. I bet the young boys are proudly following in Joran’s footsteps.

      The most important job we will ever have is to be good parents and raise our children to be good productive citizens. You sure effed that one up huge!

    177. yoyo muffintop on January 15th, 2008 8:16 pm

      Assault with a watery liquid causing possible minor eye discomfort.

      Book ‘em Danno. Lol.

    178. Carpe Noctem on January 15th, 2008 9:15 pm

      Hey Yo,

      Nay nay… Red wine, NOT watery liquid!

      I have a funny feeling you’d rubbin your eyes

      & be cryin like a little whiney –tch

      if your were doused in it. -j4n

    179. Carpe Noctem on January 15th, 2008 9:17 pm

      your eyes were…

    180. mayan_moons on January 15th, 2008 10:33 pm

      Yeah hey yip yap….why don’t you come to the next tradeshow, sign a waiver and let us throw a glass of red wine in your eyes & film it so you can show that alittle ole “watery liquid” don’t hurt a bit beotch!

      Or better yet why don’t you just submerse that airhead of yours with your eyes taped open into a bucket of that ripple you always seem to be on and put it on youtube.

    181. Sharon Chicago on January 15th, 2008 10:47 pm

      Don’t forget to watch Oprah tomorrow (Wed), Beth and son will be on program.

    182. mayan_moons on January 15th, 2008 10:51 pm

      Jurine couldn’t face Peter like a man when Peter tried to speak with him, nah he hid behind a curtain like the titbaby he is, but when he’s got mommy & daddy arround his courage comes out of hiding…..don’t it Jurine.

    183. mayan_moons on January 15th, 2008 10:58 pm

      In all seriousness though i do hope Peter went to an opthalmalogist to have his eyes checked out coz the harm to his vision may not show itself shortly after the wine was thrown in his eyes. Sometimes the damage done doesn’t show itself immediately after such an event.

    184. mayan_moons on January 15th, 2008 11:01 pm

      Thanks for the reminder Sharon! I watched her show today but didn’t see a promo for the interview with Beth & Matt set for tomorrow.

    185. mayan_moons on January 15th, 2008 11:09 pm

      Ya did get one thing right for a change yo… called it exactly what it is….


    186. Carpe Noctem on January 16th, 2008 12:12 am


      EGG > ZACKLY, Miss Mayan!


      Keep On Loving Natalee


    187. yoyo muffintop on January 16th, 2008 12:32 am

      In all seriousness…I cannot wait to fill up the jails this summer when I have all those kids arrested for spraying me with their water pistols at the resort I’m going to.
      Ya know, now that I think of it – I was sitting at a light the other day with my window down and felt a little spray from the guy next to me from him cleaning his windshield.

      Jail time next time pal (in case you’re reading).

    188. WCH on January 16th, 2008 1:18 am

      Some very interesting aspects to the interview, substantively. Among other tidbits, Anita VS admitted that Joran had been treated at least twice by a psychologist at age 17– something Joran denied during his interview by Greta van Susteren.

    189. Carpe Noctem on January 16th, 2008 1:46 am


      I agree with you that they probably won’t

      jail him for assault.

      My worst fear is that someone will blow

      their heads off with sniper shots while

      they are out and about doing their daily

      routines. They should have at least

      have been given a fair trial! (imo)

      Aruba is CRAZY.

      “…and that’s a real piddy.” -P. De Vries

    190. brie on January 16th, 2008 1:51 am

      Hey Keon, Joran was on your boat with Natalee and that is where she died…………..

    191. Carpe Noctem on January 16th, 2008 2:07 am

      New Tara Beach Cam Installed!

    192. Patti on January 16th, 2008 4:30 am

      Spoken like a tried and true human trafficker.

      A little wine in your eye.

      Let him talk

      For the spirit inside will show itself.


      Funny that he wore his hat during the interview;

      Not much of a Gentleman…

      Besides, one has to wonder if he is getting

      self-conscious of the shape of his forehead.?.?.


      “Just like a normal boy!”




    193. Patti on January 16th, 2008 4:38 am

      Now… just imagine all that anger turned inward!

      That’s the condition he was in on June 8, 2005…

      The NEXT day he said, “Something BAD happened”

      And it did… Natalee was found at the rocks.


      Shhhhhhh…. It’s EMBARRASSING!!!

    194. Carpe Noctem on January 16th, 2008 10:04 am


      No, Brinkman called you CORRUPT THIEVES, because

      it is precisely what you f’n idiots are!

      (not your color) You say it is because of your

      color, because EXCUSES are easier than


      You’d rather whine like puss-kets, than to fix it.

      The NA is one big counterfeiting washing machine,
      your waders, bro.

      … and more specifically, Aruba… you
      dung beetles are so f’n devoid of a conscience,
      that u allowed three guys to beat the living pi$$
      out of our 5 ft 4 105 pound defenseless drugged
      babygirl, Nat Holloway. No trial, no
      accountability… nuttin’



      Act like a B, you get treated like one. You can

      just ask Julia Renfro about that.

      She knows! -j4n

    195. Beth Holloway on the Oprah Winfrey Show discussing Missing Daughter Natalee Holloway | Scared Monkeys on January 16th, 2008 10:25 am

      [...] viewership will now be privy to Joran Van der Sloot’s recent actions of throwing wine in the face of crime reporter, Peter de Vries, when hot tempered Dutch boy did not get his way and was angered. I guess Joran Van der Sloot, one [...]

    196. Maggie on January 16th, 2008 6:38 pm

      YoYo are you for real?

    197. yoyo muffintop on January 17th, 2008 12:40 am

      Maggie – why don’t you go back and read all the silly posts about this “violent assault” and mayan’s posts from #180 on (#183 in particular) and then ask yourself “who’s for real”. lol.

    198. Richard on January 17th, 2008 2:51 pm

      Molly (#154) … So many theories, and none of them is proven yet. Occam’s Razor tells us that the simplest explanation is the best; yet since everyone believes that there has been a cover-up, and that it remains in place, then logic seems to me to dictate that the simplest explanation in THIS case is not the true one.

      Once again … there must be something going on that’s bigger than three punk kids and Daddy van der Scum. Aruba’s own interest clearly would be served by solving the case; why, then, has it since day one done everything contrary to what would be sensible?

      People are tired of hearing me go on and on about it. All ideas are on hold until the quest of the Persistence is finished ….

    199. Maggie on January 17th, 2008 4:55 pm

      I am refering to your comparing kids on vacation with water pistols having fun to someone being cornered on their lies and misdeeds and getting angry and throwing alcohol in someone’s eyes.. No comparison..

    200. Jossy Mansur Speaks Out on the Recent Joran Van der Sloot Wine Throwing Incident | Scared Monkeys on January 18th, 2008 9:42 am

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    201. Me on February 1st, 2008 6:03 pm

      People… he threw wine in someone’s face. That doesn’t prove he’s guilty of murder. I seriously hope none of you ever serve on a jury.

    202. Bastiaan on February 7th, 2008 8:51 am

      Okay, only a couple of comments here. Yes, the Dutch legal system is notorious for being heavy-handed with stupid little infractions like parking violations, but when it comes to major crime like murder, they are incedibly bureaucratic and laxed.
      Having said that…Joran is not exactly running around Amsterdam or Arnhem scott-free. Don’t be ridiculous! He was apparently in hiding for the past few months. Now, he’s well long gone, probably hiding out in Germany or Belgium by now, because by the time that tape aired in the Netherlands on Sunday, you can be sure he fled the country.
      That’s just how stupid the Dutch are, they weren’t waiting at his door with shotguns, BEFORE airing those tapes.
      I live in the Netherlands and it’s a very frustrating country when it comes to justice at times.
      But use your head! You pit this “our country” versus “yours” with this over the top patriotic attitude, and frankly seem to think that everywhere else in the world should practice the great old ‘Am-er-kin’ wild west sherif always gets our man law enforcement.
      If you want to blame someone, blame the sociopathic Joran van der Sloot. The Netherlands did not murder miss Hollaway, he did.

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