RSSJoran Van der Sloot: “I think that I would not have made it in the United States.” Joran, That’s Because there would be No Cover Up
Joran Van der Sloot continues to taunt the family of Natalee Holloway and shove it in the face of America of what he got away with. Who would really want to go to ARUBA that would allow this to happen?
Joran Van der Sloot may have said the first truthful words from his mouth since Natalee Holloway disappeared in Aruba over 2 1/2 years ago, “I think that I would not have made it in the United States.” Joran, that is because this crime would have been investigated like every other missing persons case and there would have been no cover up to protect you. Like every other missing persons case in the US where the suspect last seen with the victim is guilty.
Yes, this case would have been much different in the US; however, you will always be known for what you did no matter the preferential treatment that you were provided. Also, Aruba will always be known as the place where Natalee Holloway went missing and was killed, while being provided no justice by Aruban officials. Aruba should be ashamed of itself. You purposely botched the investigation and then botched the prosecution.
Yes Joran, you can thank your lucky stars that you had dady’s friends help. However, that does not change the fact that you have a much more important day of reckoning and judgement ahead that will make all this pale in comparison.
They would finish me off in the US, Amigoe: 12/8/07
Joran, by now nicely shaved, on his way to the supermarket, while enjoying his freedom.
ORANJESTAD – Both lawyers had assured that after days of isolation, Joran van der Sloot would not want to say one word to the media. Especially his parents are concerned. On Friday afternoon, a few hours after his release, while walking back home from a supermarket in Noord with his younger brother, he was still willing to give a first reaction. People in the supermarket have already been whispering: “he’s back”, “What has he endured”, and “It’s such a nice family”. He doesn’t seem to be worried to walk over the street. “I think that I would not have made it in the United States.”
It’s obvious that the 20-year old young man, who is still on Justice’s list of suspects, has not got over the adventure of the past days yet. He has been detained for 15 days, and most of the time in isolation. “I was in a cell that could hold 15 men, but I was alone. I was allowed kick a ball so now and then and they indeed gave me the Bible. I would have preferred contact with others.”
The interrogations were heavy. “It’s not that they bothered me all the time, but every time I was interrogated, it was long. I didn’t have anything to tell them. I have already told them everything once and I was silent till the last minute.”
The arrest in his dorm in Arnhem was a complete surprise. He planned to move to Amsterdam, due to the location of his school. He hadn’t planned to go to Aruba for Christmas. “I really thought that it was over; that one day I would perhaps have to go to Aruba for the closing of the case. But I have never thought that I would be arrested again in the Netherlands. It turns out that they have nothing new here. I still do not understand what they wanted.”
Van der Sloot hates the fact that he had to miss part of his studies. He wants to go back soon. He’s not sure how long he’s going to stay on the island. “I’ll spend some time with my parents. Despite everything, Aruba is a special place. I’m going to take a plunge in the swimming pool right now.”
He will not get in contact with the brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe that were released a few days earlier. The friendship seems to have cooled off ‘for years’ already. Yet another effect of the case, agrees Van der Sloot.
According to rumours in the media, Van der Sloot has taken a plane to the United States yesterday evening. The journalists concluded this from his presence at the airport. Nothing is further from the truth. He was there to see his American lawyer off. He will stay for the time being in Aruba.
Posted December 10, 2007 by Scared Monkeys Aruba, Crime, Missing Persons, Natalee Holloway, WTF, boycott | 229 comments |
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I read this sad news (that the coverup will continue forever) on another Internet news source over the weekend and feel badly for Natalee’s family.
Gotta agree Joran would not have faired well had he commit his crime on U.S. territory. If I understand correctly, even if evidence is found in time that incriminates him/his cohorts, nothing can be done once the case is closed. Am I correct?
I wish there was something I could post, but am truly at a loss for anything other than WTF??!
No way would I travel outside of this country other than going to Canada. Too scary if anything were to happen. With the lack of credibility in Aruba and other countries’ police forces, how could anyone feel any sense of safety for themselves and their loved ones? My son wants so badly to travel overseas with some of his highschool friends for a trip associated with the drama department, but I am not going to let him for several reasons (one being money)…but mainly because if he were to have something bad happen, there is no guarantee justice would ever be served.
I guess this means the boycott of Aruba must also be a forever thing….
Piece of human garbage
Dearest J-Bo,
Here is your GOOGLE KEYWORD OF THE DAY:
‘ZIGZAG’
I shall now attempt to use it properly in a sentence.
When walking from my house to Ling and Sons,
I will be doing a ZIGZAG dance like a mf with his pubes set on fire. I’ll do it so a sniper can’t square up, & get a decent shot plugged right
up into my a$$ho.
Eat chit and die Sloot, your day is on the horizon,
you little punk a$$ b****. You better never forget that! U sadistic, psychotic, gang-raping, murdering, innocent teenage girl butchering son of a bitch.
Your day will come soon. -j4n
I am so glad he gets the message we do not want him here. Our media, the American people rose up against him, against his lies, against Aruba’s lies….let that roach hide on his infested island crawling behind the drug lords there for protection, or in the Netherlands where they encourage prostitution and drugs… He fits in really good there….
God will not be mocked, He will have the last say in this…and justice will come forth for Natalee
No shit Sherlock, you definately would NOT have made it here. After writing your book you better be looking over your shoulder in Aruba too!!
You wouldn’t of made it in the US…justice would of been served and you would have been in the slammer.
Joran thinks we would of finished him off…you mean like you finished off Natalee…doesn’t mean that couldn’t happen to you in Aruba or the Netherlands.
You hate the fact you have missed your studies….since when was school ever a priority…We hate the fact that Natalee never a chance to even continue her studies. This would be her 3rd year of college.
Why don’t you give the Kalpoes a call…don’t you need a ride…so I guess you’ll hang around Aruba for a while, steal from some tourists so you can go to the casino, check in with Carlos ‘n Charlie’s….find out the latest on what’s happening with the pimp club and discuss your next victim.
Joran in his own mind may feel very comfortable/cockie at this point with being arrested and the verdict is “no new evidence” to hold him….
Kind of like ha ha ha I told you I was innocent..and now this makes me look good by them arresting me with no new evidence…
With this attitude he will be more cockie, more talkative, more assured in his mind that he will not get caught…but he is wrong wrong wrong…
Loose lips sink ships and he will sink his own and will get caught…in due season
http://tinyurl.com/34zr3m
-j4n
If these whispered comments “What has he endured”, and “It’s such a nice family” are true, then are we to conclude that the Van Der Sloot’s have the Aruban public’s sympathy?
Diario has an article mentioning Natalee and Joran
And pictures on more car accidents-more totalled vehicles
Please understand that ANYTHING written in AMIGO is by renHO, a friend and sleeping partner of sweatsloot….its all lies. What the ppl there are saying WTF??? we HATE his guts. Everyone in that family are LIARS…Do you realize IF there are any AMERICAN tourists and they see him, they want to PUKE. Disgusting. HE IS SO FREAKING UGLY…He is a cross dresser just like KOEN, a bed wetter…a complete joke..If he come to the US I want to know. I personally will be there to meet his plane…He makes one want to VOMIT…I pray he egts the creeping crud…justicefornatalee@gmail.com if you want to help…
No, Joran would not have made it in the US. Unfortunately for Natalee, she spared the US of this predator of young women. I believe Joran was destined for college in Miami.
Support the boycott and pray for Natalee’s family.
“I think that I would not have made it in the United States.”
The statement confuses me a little. Does he mean he would have been found guilty of something? Or, is he talking about professional success?
If it is the former, I think it is his knowledge of what happened, speaking for itself.
From Beth’s book page 152:
“There are many, many locations on the island that we are not allowed to search. The luxurious homes up on the hilltops surrounded by very high walls are a concern for us, especially the ones with barbed wire around the top. We’re told some of those are the mansions of the big drug lords. Others are brothels for the elite. And we can’t go up there. We do get close enough to see where helicopters land.”
There have been so many conflicting stories from J2K and police, weird videos, pictures, tips Natalle was seen alive and later tips she is dead, I am not inclined to believe much of any of it; just misinformation to try to get Beth to give up. Deepak’s statement that if they found her Joran would get 15 years is more in line with kidnapping and rape than murder. I wonder if Natalee could have been at one of these houses mentioned above and then taken off the island?
Many here have asked the question why Aruba is willing to take a such a financial hit for PVDS and boys, and have further speculated there is a much bigger picture. From looking at the VDS lifestyle, they appear to do okay, but they aren’t living like kings, so who is paying them and the corrupt officials, and the lawyers and everyone else - it has to be someone with a lot of money and something to hide. What can’t be bought can be held through threats - as in “how would you like to see a loved one wind up like Pitbull?” Mr. Mos, is this what happened to you, or were you in on the coverup from the start?
PVDS, Joran, Deepak, Satish and others. You are entering the most dangerous time of your life. When this is all officially declared over by the end of the year, you will be fair game. From angry Americans? No. You are in danger from the very people who are above you and are now protecting you. You are a liability to their operation. Once this is all declared over, they can murder you and your families and claim it was angry American vigilanties. The only problem is, they will never be able to figure out who did it - you know the drill. Do you think if that happens that anyone is going to then come forward to expose what is going on? You would be wise to escape to a friendly place while you can and then tell all you know - including where Natalee is either alive or dead. Those who are in the US are in the very most danger of all, but not from those of us on here venting about what we would like to do… there is a much more real threat. PVDS, I don’t think you are stupid, but you’re sure in deep. Time to sweat.
repost @ brenda:
By the way, should the public prosecutor of Aruba decide to close this case by the end of this year, that doesn’t mean that the investigation cannot be reopened at some point.
However, this will only be done if new serious evidence is found.
It is possible that someone is convicted for murder (or manslaughter) without a body present however there must be hard (and not only circumstantial) evidence that the suspect killed the person who dissapeared.
The fact that both Joran and the Kalpoe brothers saw Natalee last and lied during the investigation is of course suspicious but just not enough. And I doubt it would be in a US jury trial.
Pursuant to Dutch criminal law, there isn’t a statue of limitations on crimes which can be punished with a life sentence. I’m not sure if Aruban law stipulates the same.
Should the prosecutor decide to prosecute either Joran and/or the Kalpoe brothers and they would be acquitted by the court, the prosecution cannot prosecute them again and bring them before the court again for the same crime.
14. Pat writes: “PVDS, Joran, Deepak, Satish and others. You are entering the most dangerous time of your life. When this is all officially declared over by the end of the year, you will be fair game. From angry Americans? No. You are in danger from the very people who are above you and are now protecting you. You are a liability to their operation.”
Wise words and very true.
sounds like sloot jr. is blatantly admitting his guilt to me ! hans mos was brought in just to further cover up this murder for his friends the
ditch family.
evidently they are not worried about burning in hell. they sure will make a good fire , especially the lard ass !
Thank you Amsterdam. That was very, informative. With all of the crazy rumors surrounding this case, I was in a blurr over what the truth was re: prosecuting/reopening.
One thing the same here in the USA is the double-jeapordy thing. Once aquitted of a crime, a person cannot be tried again for the same crime. Too bad if more evidence is found in the future in that particular situation. Puts pressure on the police to be certain their facts are straight and good the first time around.
Also wanted to say something another poster alluded to with Joran stating “he wouldn’t have made it in the USA.” As is normal with Joran, he is saying more than he means to. I believe he was subconciously admitting he wouldn’t have gotten away with it. Let’s all hope this little do-do bird starts to brag….and those he brags to manage to survive long enough to tell someone else who is not part of the Vander-mess click!
Carpe. Very visual picture when reading the post.
LOL
Joran you self admitted yourself.
He knows that justice would have been served here.
Joran, you would be IN JAIL in the United States because LE
would have completed a competent investigation replete with
TIMELY COLLECTED FORENSIC EVIDENCE.
Amsterdam 020,
Can you help explain why the KLPD and ALE have refused to develop a timeline for Paulus Van Der Sloot for the night of Natalee’s murder?
Can you explain why search warrants for Paulus Van Der Sloot’s home and property were amended on site?
Can you explain why Karin Janssen, a close friend of Paulus Van Der Sloot’s, provided Paulus Van Der Sloot with a letter stating he was no longer a suspect in the case while not providing a similar letter to the two black guys that Paulus and his spawn tried to frame?
Can you explain why there is no record of Paulus Van Der Sloot’s witness statements - despite media reporting at the time stating that he was brought in as a witness — not a suspect?
Can you explain why the courts double layered the ‘legal onion’ for Paulus by stating that he was 1) no longer a suspect, and 2) awarded him $30,000?
Can you explain why no one in Aruba will positively identify who the gentleman is sitting at “third base” at the blackjack table hitting on Natalee Holloway? Come on…a cook from a local restaurant???? Make me laugh Aruba!
Can you explain what Paulus was doing at 4:00am on the night of Natalee’s murder?
Can you explain why Paulus changed his story to 11:00pm the prior evening that he was out on the town?
Can you explain who leaked the aerial photo of the furniture truck making a delivery to the Van Der Sloot residence just weeks after Natalee’s murder?
Can you explain where the mattress from the Van Der Sloot’s home is currently? Can you explain why all ‘blood evidence’ needed to be sent to Holland for analysis….but the blood soaked mattress was not (within hours they declared the blood “dog blood”). What a Dutch joke that is!
Could you explain why Judge Smid, a friend of Paulus Van Der Sloot’s who STAYS AT THE VDS HOME WHEN HE VISITS FROM CURACAO, was allowed to rule on any items from this case?
I could go on and on. For ANYONE to claim there is a lack of evidence is a joke…period. There was no attempt to obtain evidence and when there was….the evidence disappeared.
Paulus Van Der Sloot is your perp. Aruba has done everything to protect him. While MOS will close the case against the boys….I know that this case was never “opened” as Paulus Van Der Sloot was always covered for throughout the case by his buddies in Law Enforcement, the Prosecutors, and the Court System. The conflicts of interest are way too overwhelming to ignore and the consistent actions to make sure the case got covered-up are beyond obvious.
Shame on Aruba. And big time shame on the Dutch for playing along with the program. Corruption Rules in the KLPD as well as Aruba!
MD
Joran, you are sickening.
“Van der Sloot hates the fact that he had to miss part of his studies.”
NATALEE IS MISSING HER ENTIRE COLLEGE CAREER; IN FACT,
HER WHOLE LIFE!
I hope no girls will get raped and go missing in A’dam with him settling down there…
Btw has the boat arrived at Aruba yet… Like to hear some more news about that!
Yikes Min-Dad..he was only answering a question for me. Doubt he has all of that information.
Amsterdam: There are crimes that the three thugs could be currently prosecuted for. Apparently Mos is saying the Kalpoes could be charged with making a body disappear. Why he thinks that isn’t worth pursuing, I’ve no clue. I believe the Kalpoes would roll over with a 6 month prison sentence hanging high over their heads.
Next, Joran could be prosecuted for rape based on his own first statements and his mother’s statements to Greta and Beth.
How about kidnapping?
None of these charges would prevent any of them from later being charged with Natalee’s murder and it indeed might get them talking. If nothing else, it gets them off the street.
Refusing to prosecute a perp for a known crime, regardless of the length of the sentence is merely an excuse.
E-Robert
Thanks for the update.
Brenda,
My point was simple. We are now seeing Mos, and Internet apologists claiming that there “just isn’t enough evidence to prosecute” in preparation for the closing. This statement is a sham and we all know it.
Amsterdam alluded to that sham statement - “there just isn’t enough evidence to prosecute”. Sorry if I was harsh Amsterdam, but those of us that have followed the case from the first week in June 2005 fully understand who got covered for, who had overwhelming conflicts of interest, and who the ALE and prosecutor attempted to frame (remember the two black guys that Janssen said there was overwhelming evidence???…she should have used the word EXPLOSIVE and I would have believed her!).
MD
It is simply amazing to me that the Aruban people just don’t seem to be concerned that they have three rapist/killers walking around on their streets.
Is this a case of people living in a bubble?
JQK stated that the Persistence is due to arrive Wed.
They have had rough seas to endure.
@katablog.com on December 10th, 2007 1:00 pm
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA 6 months for making an body dissapear, you must be kidding me, that would probably only get them 2 week’s of gardening.
To get 6 months of jail in the dutch/aruba system you’ll at least have to rape someone.
The dutch system is way to soft, but that’s something we just have to live with.
The average penalty for murder is 6.6 years minus 1/3 penalty reduction for ‘good behavior’ will make 4,4 years in prison minus pre-arrest will max it out at 4 years for Joran.
That’s not accounting for the fact that Yoran was an mi nor at the time of the ‘delict’ will even shorten his punishment.
I would be amazed if he would spend longer then 2 years in prison if ever convicted.
And that’s why i don’t believe in all these conspiracy theorie’s, now he has his name smudged and has to look the rest of his life over his shoulders.
If he was really guilty he would have confessed cuz then he would be trialed as an minor, get an juvinale sentence, and have his penalty stricken from his record when he turn’s 18.
I do believe he knows who did it but is pressured in to not telling the thruth.
#25 Katablog,
EXACTLY!!!!!
Kat
Remember Beth stating this is HUGE? She was stating a point blank fact.
This is beyond the three suspects, the path has lead to Paulus, Smids, Vocking, etc.
BTW, if they have aloe on the island, why do some woman over there have such bad skin?
“I didn’t have anything to tell them. I have already told them everything once and I was silent till the last minute.”
Thus spake Joran of the Ditch. If it weren’t so sickening, this would give us all a good laugh.
You didn’t have anything to tell them, scum? How about your statement on the Greta vS blog that someday you’ll tell what really happened on the beach, BUT NOT NOW? If not now, when?
And how about Daddy vd Scum’s statement that if he spoke up, a lot of innocent people would be hurt? (How can INNOCENT people be hurt, anyway?)
In retrospect, it seems clear that the cover-up was in full swing by June 2005, when the FBI arrived on Aruba. Remember, Nelson Oduber first opposed letting the FBI in at all, saying that the case would be solved in a week.
(Eat crow, Oduber?)
Then he reversed himself.
Here’s my question. If Oduber had for one moment wanted the case to be solved, why didn’t he say something like: “You FBI agents have lots of experience in this sort of thing. You take charge.”
Instead, the corrupt and inept Aruba “law enforcement” types were allowed to do their thing. The FBI chafed at being allowed only to sit there and listen to the incompetent interrogations in Papiamento, which they didn’t understand anyway.
And so on, and so on, and so on….
Now, this raises questions. Why is it that the FBI were brought in only for show?
Seems clear as crystal to me … Oduber knew, or had an inkling, that something big was involved.
But he knew how the American media would react if the FBI weren’t allowed in, and there were no results.
So he used them as stooges. And in June 2005, neither the FBI nor the rest of us knew what lies, evasions, and denials lay ahead. I’m sure the FBI assumed at first that Aruba was acting in good faith.
My point? If Aruba, then or now, had wanted the case solved and had wanted the economic damage from a boycott eliminated, all it had to do was to ask the FBI to take charge.
It didn’t.
Doesn’t it seem obvious that this wasn’t done precisely because Aruba dared not allow a solution?
If you agree, then what reason could there be for this? Fears of driving off tourism? Come on, the continued cover-up in Natalee’s case is ITSELF the reason that tourists have stayed away from Aruba. It’s the cover-up and the ensuing publicity, and even Aruba must realize that those of us who call for a boycott will not go away.
Solving the case is the best thing Aruba could do for itself. Why won’t it do it?
Because, in my view, it dares not let the truth be known. And the only explanation that makes sense to me is that it knows, or has good reason to suspect, that Natalee Holloway was handed over to drug lords or their emissaries, taken off Aruba alive, and put into sexual slavery.
That doesn’t prove she is still alive, but it is possible. (It is also possible that she was murdered when her captors knew that the case was too ‘hot,’ and that she wasn’t some anonymous Guatemalan (just for example) about whom nobody cared.
I might well be wrong, but nothing else in my eyes justifies the continued cover-up. Had the FBI been allowed to do their job, they might well have uncovered the truth.
Had Beth and Dave not been so determined, then the two security guards would have been convicted, imprisoned, and that would have been the “official story.”
That won’t happen now. And we won’t abandon Beth and Dave in their search.
EURobert, it was said on another thread that the search vessel was delayed owing to bad weather, but that it should be in the area by Wednesday.
Pat in Alabama (#14) … I invite you to consider that in South America, where trafficking is a major hazard, it is estimated that one woman in sexual slavery can, over the course of a year, bring in $500,000 for her captors.
That’s right; half a million dollars.
I also remind readers that some months back, the private island of a drug lord in the Caribbean was raided. I don’t recall the exact amount of money that was lying around, just waiting for use, but I BELIEVE it was $90 million.
More than I’ve got, anyway.
Some people think it can’t happen to Americans.
I’m not one of them.
Anyone think that some scum might take special delight in having an American girl at their mercy?
I do.
By the way, some months ago I posted an article about a girl in Phoenix who ran away from home, met up with some bad characters in a public park, was gang-raped, and was then held hostage in an apartment.
Her “willing services” were advertised on the Internet. She was not allowed out of the apartment. She was threatened with death repeatedly, abused … and was told that if she tried to escape, her family would be killed as well. She said that that threat broke her spirit.
None of this is proof of my idea. But so far, there has been nary a trace of Natalee. Let’s see what the water search yields.
@Richard on December 10th, 2007 1:41 pm
The FBI has no jursidiction whatsoever in this case, any evidence gathered while they would be in charge will be thrown out of court without the judge even blinking so much as an eye.
Van der sloot’s lawyers would have an field day, such action could even result in an “Openbaar Ministerie niet ontvankelijk verklaring” meaning as much as “Prosecutor’s case and trial is completly thrown out of court and all evidence regarding the case of the prosecutor is illigal and cannot be used again”
For as youre quistion about he used langauge, all hearings/interogations MUST be in 1 off the official language’s or “Openbaar Ministerie niet ontvankelijk verklaring” is applied again.
It’s not hte US where suspects may be pressured, if an judge get’s any hint about that it’s “Openbaar Ministerie niet ontvankelijk verklaring”
Any mistake on behalve off the police and we have an so called “vormfout” resulting in an mis-trial.
Maybe you get the hint, but the police does not have that much methodes to ‘crack’ an suspect.
As far as the contradicting statements made by the suspects, it’s just not enough with hard and concrete evidence in other words, “no body, no faul”.
It’s just how the system works, and an boycot will not result in changing that system cuz it’s layed down in the Constitution.
For an change in the Constitution you’ll need :
1. An 2/3 majorty in the 1st AND 2nd chamber.
2. general election’s
3. again an 2/3 majority in the 1st AND 2nd chamber for the same proposal.
So forget it, never ever gonna happen.
Well, Kloothommel, a boycott may not change a system in Aruba but it will make people pay for what happened down there. You see, it’s about choices. I believe there are plenty of people down there that know the truth and they choose not to come forward. Aruba also made the choice to cover this up hoping it would just go away. It didn’t. There has been no justice for Natalee. If boycotting hurts Aruba then so be it. I get to make that choice.
And how about Daddy vd Scum’s statement that if he spoke up, a lot of innocent people would be hurt?
Selfish statement at best,,,,what about Natalee?
Could it be the would be all the wives of the men involved? No one likes to live with a PO’d wife.
ORANJESTAD, Aruba - One of three young men who took an Alabama high school student to the beach during her class trip to Aruba confessed he killed her, police say.
Deputy Police Commissioner Gerold Dompig told The Associated Press that the man was leading police late Friday to the scene of the crime.
I wonder if Gerald can elaborate?
Sorry Min-dad, but it is quite clear the type of evidence required for a SUCCESSFUL prosecution was done away with long ago!! So…there just isn’t anything concrete enough because of how Aruba’s “justice system” works. You think Paulus didn’t think of all of this ahead of time (that fateful night)?
In America, we can interrogate. After reading post #36, it further confirms my feeling that precious little Urin’s father clearly understands this Aruban justice system inside and out. He made damn sure anything pointing to them that could be used in court was eliminated, destroyed, gone for ever and ever. Simply having contradicting statements (no matter how many dozens at this point) is not good enough. The cell and text records, timelines, etc. are apparently also not not enough for the few honest folks in the Aruban justice system to get the job done.
Say what you want, but all one has to do is look to the retarded statement Joran just made about what would have happened to him in the USA to realize there is NOT enough of anything for Nat’s loved ones to do squat.
If Joran is brought to trial now and not convicted, he is free FOREVER!!! I say let’s bide our time and let the idiot say something that WILL lead to the type of evidence necessary to put the little piece of crap in a cell for however long is possible. (sorry to talk down to crap like that)
At least a few want justice or they wouldn’t have brought the “great Urin” back from his cozy place of rest (college). That said, the JUDGE said their wasn’t enough evidence. Apparently, they need a video tape of a rape/murder occurring or something similar.
(Hey, if you’re a drug smuggler, raping tourists, or human trafficking…appears Aruba is the place to go!!)
@truthseeker2 on December 10th, 2007 2:39 pm
Well, Kloothommel, a boycott may not change a system in Aruba but it will make people pay for what happened down there. You see, it’s about choices. I believe there are plenty of people down there that know the truth and they choose not to come forward. Aruba also made the choice to cover this up hoping it would just go away. It didn’t. There has been no justice for Natalee. If boycotting hurts Aruba then so be it. I get to make that choice.
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That me be true, but youre also hurting people who have absolutly nothing to do with this case (inc. fellow americans cuz a lot of hotels on aruba are (partially) owned by american’s)
By showing youre will to harm innocent people doesn’t that make you just as bad as the suspects????
I just wish someone or something would wipe that smug look off Joran’s face.
If the FBI were to have no authority, why did Aruba invite them down in the first place?
Other nations have also drawn on their services.
Methinks you sound like yet another apologist for Aruba.
@brenda on December 10th, 2007 2:59 pm
You are spot on the case and at the heart off the problem which all boils down to : “No body, no faul”/
There is simply no physical evidence that’s links them physically to the crime, they will simply not get an conviction on this evidence, no mather how much circumstantial evidence surfaces.
Unless somebody produces some hard evidence, this case is over and closed as just another missings person’s case.
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slighty off-topic.
I for someone would never ever let my kids at that age to such an place for vacation without any guidance from an adult.
And i’m from the Netherlands, i suggest Spain to all you people, cuz the Guardia Civil ain’t nice guys.
P.S. Same goes for Mexico etc etc etc
Central Bank gave a stern warning to the government. It will foreclose and evict the new Aruba ministers building if the payment is not received by next week. After paying Oduber and his associate ministers’ salaries, there are no more money left. The tourism and cruise ships have shrunk by 65% this winter. ALE did not get their paychecks either
Can anyone verify this?
Referring to post #41, I am astounded to read you would say anyone “hurting” innocent Arubans who are not responsible puts those boycotting in the same category as those who raped and murdered (be it involuntary or not) Natalee Holloway.
How can the Arubans be as innocent as you suggest if (and I am quoting you) “I believe there are plenty of people down there that know the truth and they choose not to come forward. Aruba also made the choice to cover this up hoping it would just go away.”????
They are guilty of coverup if what you say is true, so since we are not in a position to determine which of them are innocent and which are not, we must go with boycotting all of them. Trust me…if the Arban population truly wanted justice for Natalee, they’d have been causing quite an uproar.
#36 kloothommel;
Thank you for the info. It was well known that the laws were made for the accused not the victim.
But I know how to get the laws changed quicker.
How about a massive recession caused by economic boycotts.
@Richard on December 10th, 2007 3:15 pm
Being somewahre on invitation and giving advise is completly different from actually leading the investigation, now isn’t it.
They are just citicens over there and have no special rights whatsoever.
Beautiful day on the deserted beach
http://www.bucuticam.com/
Come out, come out, where ever you are? Oops
no one there…..
I think what he is saying is that a JURY in the US would convict him due to all the circumstantial evidence whereas a JUDGE in Aruba can’t because circumstantial evidence is not enough for a conviction (confession, weapon or body are needed yada, yada, yada and beyond reasonable doubt). I’m Dutch (don’t hate me!!!) and he probably did it but I’m not certain for the full 100%. Well, not enough to give him the death penalty only to find out in 3 years from now it was really a drug lord who picked her up after he left her on the beach. Or something…
“Garbage” such as this will have to answer to a higher authority at some point…sooner , rather then later far as I am concerned.
Right, in the United States justice would be served .The tourist industry of Aruba should pay for this coverup who on earth would ever want to allow their child to go and vacation there…in fact, how can anyone sit and enjoy that beach knowing an innocent girl lost her life there and the perpertrator got away with it. Damm his soul to H**l for all eternity.
Richard (#35)
Of course none of us is “certain” about anything, but we have to consider that what you have described is a very real possibility. I’m not sure if that is good or not… there are things worse than death.
The many statements and circumstancial evidence in this case just do not ad up, unless they lead to J2K drugging, raping and killing Natalee. I have to ask myself, if I was a criminal would I make so many incriminating statements about what I did?? If I was a corrupt official, would I leak a lot of correct information about what happened??? The answer to both questions is “No”. I would provide information to lead people where I wanted them to go and away from the real situation. If J2K can’t be prosecuted then everything will eventually go back to the way it was right? Except for Natalee, and she is either with God or in a living hell.
Kloothommel:
You make some good points about the reality of the legal system there that are just hard for us outsiders to accept. That just the reality of it. We have an expression here, “you can’t fight city hall”. Regarding a boycott and its effectiveness: I’m not going to put myself or my family in a situation that I know is dangerous. There are a lot of parts of New York City I wouldn’t recommend, and places I don’t go in Birmingham, AL due to safety concerns. Making a decision about going to Aruba is pretty simple for me.
And before anyone starts yelling about mall shooters etc., lets face it, there is no place 100% safe in this world unless you stay in bed all day with a loaded gun. There are, however, some places we know are much more dangerous than others, and it is a personal safety issue to avoid them.
Innocent ppl living there???you mean like Nadira, who said “even grown ppl lie” Im sick of that VOLCANIC ASHE..They elected those officials..this has been going on to long. We will PUSH this BOYCOTT and put Mr.Pinks Business out of business, the scuba business out, the casinos out of business…who gives a RATS behind if American companys go out of business if they are conducting business there…TOO F’N BAD…BooHoo..cry me a river…We are shutting you guys down. We gave you fair warning…
@brenda on December 10th, 2007 3:25 pm
Referring to post #41, I am astounded to read you would say anyone “hurting” innocent Arubans who are not responsible puts those boycotting in the same category as those who raped and murdered (be it involuntary or not) Natalee Holloway.
How can the Arubans be as innocent as you suggest if (and I am quoting you) “I believe there are plenty of people down there that know the truth and they choose not to come forward. Aruba also made the choice to cover this up hoping it would just go away.”????
They are guilty of coverup if what you say is true, so since we are not in a position to determine which of them are innocent and which are not, we must go with boycotting all of them. Trust me…if the Arban population truly wanted justice for Natalee, they’d have been causing quite an uproar.
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Youre argumentation is the same as :
“There is an murderer in the state of Florida, and just because we can’t determine who it is, where just gonna shoot everone in Florida just to make sure”
It’s that argumentation which get’s the american’s an bad rep and hated in the world.
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ON-Topic :
Not even een uproar could change the constitution within 2 years.
Just like i said.
1 2/3 majority (for arguments sake in the last year before elections).
2 elections
3 again the 2/3 majority.
And for you haven’t noticed, we don’t have a 2 party system where 1 party clearly gets an majority, to get an 2/3 majority you will almost certain need 3 to 4 political party’ to agree to the change.
And maybe before the election they could have an 2/3 majority, that’s doesn’t have to be the case after the election.
Ergo
to change the constitution you will need all party’s to agree, and that will never happen.
@Pat in Alabama on December 10th, 2007 3:49 pm
Indeed, nobody in theire right mind puts theire family at risk.
I personnaly ain’t letting my kids at the age of 18 to an place like aruba, but the same goes for cancun etc etc etc
Hey, folks, we’re being inundated once again with apologies for “the Dutch system.”
At this point, it’s very important not to lose sight of the forest for the trees. (I know, it’s not very original … so what?)
Since May 30, 2005, the Holloway Twitty family and their supporters have faced everything in Aruba except honest people.
They have been told this … only to have it reversed the next day.
They have been promised that suspects would be interrogated … only they weren’t.
They have been promised re-arrests … which never were carried out.
And they were told that they would get cooperation … only to later be told that Aruba wasn’t even running the case (something “the Dutch system” never told them before).
We don’t need more lectures on what “the Dutch system” allows.
We know what the Aruban system allows. Lies, denials, evasions, retracted promises ….
We then hear how horrible it would be for the “innocent Arubans” to lose our money, which is all they want in the first place.
What about the truly innocent Natalee Holloway?
What about the pain and grief (not to mention expense) caused to her parents and family?
Not to mention Amy Bradley, Joel Gove, etc.
Here’s what really matters: Aruba has no intention of solving this case. Never did.
They can throw all the legalisms in the world at us … but here’s what we need to know:
Can anyone believe that Aruba means justice?
Can anyone believe it ever did?
In light of what we know, is it wise, or even safe, to go to Aruba?
HELL, NO!!
What else do we need to know?
What more lies do we need?
Aruba has demonstrated what it is.
I want no part of it. I want no more American victims on Aruba. I want justice for Natalee.
WE OWE ARUBA NOTHING.
As Nurturer posted above, whispers were heard about what Joran has “endured,” and “what a nice family” the van der Scums are, etc.
AMERICA HAS NO OBLIGATION TO ARUBA.
Let the “poor innocent people of Aruba” demand, AND OBTAIN, justice for Natalee.
Otherwise … let them starve, or find some other way of making a living than from American largesse.
Boycott Aruba … it’s only common sense.
@Vicki on December 10th, 2007 3:51 pm
A small lesson in the political system, unlike the US we don’t vote for official’s, we vote for political party’s, and after the elections they decide who get’s to be an official, the party that’s the biggest deliveres the Prime-Minister.
Judge’s, prosecutor’s etc etc are not elected at all, the are appointed by the government.
Pat in Alabama … I also want to point out that when Elizabeth Smart was found, she didn’t ask for help. She tried to deny who she was.
That’s just one case. Remember Shawn Hornbeck in Missouri … kidnap victim who helped imprison another boy. Had chances to escape, and didn’t.
My point is: nobody can say “Natalee can’t be alive, or we would have heard.” There is mind control, and techniques for it.
Remember Amy Bradley.
Natalee passed out and they (meaning more than one) panicked.
This was on a written statement by one of the pimps.
Richard
Was it indeed Smids who released them all this time too?
Although it is interesting to have the Dutch legal system explained…it doesn’t make this dreadful miscarriage of justice any easier to bear.
For those Dutch and Arubans who agree, please protest along with us to your authorities. Get them to explain why Paulus vanderSloot has been given a free pass, help us find out who is behind this coverup, get your friends to help Juran confess..you Arubans, work on the Kalpoes..do something to help, otherwise please stay away from this forum.
I too could care less about the American companies who have hotels etc. on Aruba. They are mostly chains and can pack up and go elsewhere. Sooner the better.
41. Kloothommel on December 10th, 2007 3:02 pm
That me be true, but youre also hurting people who have absolutly nothing to do with this case (inc. fellow americans cuz a lot of hotels on aruba are (partially) owned by american’s)
By showing youre will to harm innocent people doesn’t that make you just as bad as the suspects????
Where is your perspective? I did not lie and I did not kill anyone….so no. Boycotting Aruba does not make me as bad as the suspects (killers).
On the other hand, if I knew the truth and did not tell someone who could ensure justice was served….I would be pretty bad. Not as bad as the actual killers, but bad enough to be…boycotted!!
OTTO 50;
Leaving someone defenseless that you know is incapacitated is worth 6 years on Aruba. 1/2 if a minor at the time.
Remember he said the last time she, Natalee did not regain consciousness, so he left her asleep on the beach by herself in a strange land and no less then one meter from the water’s edge. The fact that no one has seen her since is a good indication that something happened to her. So he thinks calling himself an asshole for leaving her makes everything right. I don’t think so.
Nail him for three years Hans if you have the guts and are not on the take.
I want Joran put away at least for crimes against Aruban law. But again corruption prevails. Therefore the reason right there for the boycott. Maybe eventually when the recession really kicks in from the boycott, there will be a revolt and Oduber and the rest of his henchmen will go the way of the DODO bird.
#50 Otto…. why do you choose to believe Joran’s story that he left Natalee on the beach versus the other twenty other lies/stories he gave statements of what happened… ??
So you assume this lie is the truth and you would not sentence him to death….so glad you are not an attorney or a judge….
The FBI should have handled this case instead of corrupted Aruba.
Aruba has failed an American family, and the cause of justice, for more than two years.
Don’t ask me to justify a boycott of Aruba … tell Aruba that nothing else is justified by its own lies, evasions, actions and inactions.
Justice for Natalee … or perish, Aruba.
That’s how I see it.
Don’t blame ME for YOUR dishonesty.
@kayjay on December 10th, 2007 5:02 pm
It has been told before, the best course of action is to do nothing pay no attention to Joran anymore, especially because joran is now in the netherlands and there he won’t get protection.
The guy is an attention whore, if all goes quite around him he will probably start to brag or make another mistake, that’s when we can take him down.
He needs to make an foul on dutch soil where daddy can’t protect him anymore, but we have to be very secure cuz daddy nows the law by head and milks it for what it’s worth.
And a little more info, we have the “Trias Politica” that means it’s illegal for politicians to interfere with the justice system.
SO protesting with our authority’s doesn’t help a thing because for example an judge can completly ignore an politician without any repercussion’s.
The only way an politician can have influence is by making new laws to grant judges or police more power but those laws cannot be in conflict with the constitution.
And as the rights of an suspect are locked in the constitution you cannot do that easy.
And i already have explained that changing the constitution is nearly impossible.
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@truthseeker2
How would you feel if the whole world decided to boycot the USA just because somebody in miami killed an tourist?
Why should you be punished for the deed’s off somebody else.
For anyone who thinks Natalee is alive can you create a possible scenario where Joran van der sloot and his father are not involved?
Take it from Joran dropping her at the beach.
And if this is true, in your belief, isn’t that a tacit admission this is a cover up?
Jan van der straaten, karin Janssen, Nelson Oduber, Hans Mos, Gerold Dompig have all said she is dead.
Paulus van der sloot was arrested for premeditated murder, why?
Hey Carpe!
Miss-U is right that is quite a visual ya gave us and has kept a grin on my face ALL DAY!~
Yeah Jipshit you know you’d not have made it out of the USA alive but i encourage all the people in NL’s and Aruba that have been screwed and royaly to take this bitch out & do it soon, one need not even have a gun. There are many many clever ways to do the job without a proverbial *smoking gun*. Jurine & his father took a lovely sweet girl from us but he took away the quality of your live’s away forever.
Think about it….
I’ve got one thing and one thing only to say to anyone worried about the *innocent people* of Aruba.
If you are so worried about them i suggest you pay for their needs and wants. In other words that maybe you can understand…if you care so much about them take out your wallet and pay their bills.
Lets not waste another word trying to get the clueless and or guilty to see reason and channel all that energy into shutting down that popsickle stand for good!~
Just for info and some more insight in the workings of the law system.
From the constitution
Artikel 15
Article 15
1. Buiten de gevallen bij of krachtens de wet bepaald mag niemand zijn vrijheid worden ontnomen.
1. Nobody may be imprisoned unless an law orders it.
2. Hij aan wie anders dan op rechterlijk bevel zijn vrijheid is ontnomen, kan aan de rechter zijn
invrijheidstelling verzoeken. Hij wordt in dat geval door de rechter gehoord binnen een bij de wet te
bepalen termijn. De rechter gelast de onmiddellijke invrijheidstelling, indien hij de vrijheidsontneming
onrechtmatig oordeelt.
2. He who’s is imprisoned other than on judge’s order can request his release by an judge, this has to happen within an time set by law (2 days), an judge can order an immiditiate release if the arrest is deemed unjust.
(this decision can be appealled)
3. De berechting van hem aan wie met het oog daarop zijn vrijheid is ontnomen, vindt binnen een
redelijke termijn plaats.
3. Trial of the arrested suspect is held within reasonable terms.
4. Hij aan wie rechtmatig zijn vrijheid is ontnomen, kan worden beperkt in de uitoefening van
grondrechten voor zover deze zich niet met de vrijheidsontneming verdraagt.
4. He who has been arrest has been justified can be denied certain civilright’s if these civilrights conflict with the detainment.
If an Aruban tourist went missing in the US, there would be
a competent investigation. Authorities WOULD NOT cover up the crime in order to make the US look safer.
Again, the boycott is NOT about revenge. It is
a stand for justice and a means to warn other tourists of the dangers of Aruba.
If everyday Arubans are affected, it is the fault of the perps who did the crime and the officials who failed to deliver justice.
#70 Kloothommel…. REF: Your law system
You forgot number “5″ & “6″ and I will type it in English instead of Dutch.
5. The Aruban and Netherland government has the option to disregard any evidence given at their own disgression. They also have the right to find favor with anyone who is accused of a murder/kidnapping/rape etc., if they deem so to the point of proclaiming they are innocent, even if they are not.
6. The Aruban and Netherland government has the right to keep at bay anyone who would try to come against their bias system with the truth, this would include family members of the deceased and of course also the deceased who’s blood crys out for justice from her grave.
It seems that Aruba has depended on US tourism for so long that some think we owe them a living.
We don’t.
We can choose to vacation where we please and it WON’T be Aruba.
Deetch, the point isn’t whether Joran and his father were involved. But were they the last ones involved?
I have hypothesized that Natalee could have been brought to Joran’s apartment/Lorenzo’s house/elsewhere for the gang-rape and with Freddy filming away. Possibly she was held captive for a longer period.
At some point, she may have awakened; if so, she certainly would have fought back. She would not have been cowed.
So Joran, Paulus, the Pimps, or whoever would have had the decision … what to do now?
In this situation, could someone have figured out a way of making money out of her, or of gaining favor with some drug lord?
Or, possibly, could sheer psychological sadism have played a role?
Or did Lorenzo or another of the Pimps say that he would “take care of the problem”?
“No body, no case” could also mean “She’s off Aruba, so they can’t find her, so there’s no evidence.”
The point is … we don’t know where things STOPPED.
No offense to anyone … but we’ve had one cycle of lectures on Dutch law. We don’t need more.
Dutch law as interpreted on Aruba is, plainly and simply … lie, evade, distort and never say tomorrow what you said yesterday.
I really don’t think we need to hear more about Dutch law. Last I knew, the Dutch and Aruba were still squabbling about who had jurisdiction.
If Dutch law rules on Aruba … then anyone who goes there is a fool. We have wised up in America … now we know what Aruba is.
I gotta be honest..
I don’t think Joran would have been any different in the US. I think, if they did it, he would have gotten away with it here, too.
You don’t have to talk to cops here, and he’s not talking to cops there, and so there’s no difference at least on that regard.
Joran and the Kalpoes are still suspects…maybe they should not be taken to trial just yet. If they are acquitted they can’t be tried again….
We have 3 boys that have a reputation of stalking and raping young women. Do you know of anyone one that has two videos in their car with porno cd’s. The sex mobile provided by Deepak. Why else would Joran call him for a ride?
A known rapist and pervert on another exposition…I have done this 20 times before..so you admit…
You have never been taught the values of life by your parents…Your father lives through your ability to rape and harm young women.. Anita…saying he is a healthy sporter…he’s a really missed up kid, Anita wants to hold him his arms…you should of done that along time ago. Your guilty as parents, and your association with know criminals…Joran was a tool, Paulus provided through Posner.
Again, the boycott is NOT about revenge. It is
a stand for justice and a means to warn other tourists of the dangers of Aruba.
If everyday Arubans are affected, it is the fault of the perps who did the crime and the officials who failed to deliver justice.
BRAVO !!! Well put and one of the the most direct and accurate statements posted here today.
I will miss that Island, however. I had many fond memories of it as my honeymoon site in 2004. We shall never return until Aruba does something about bringing ALL OF THOSE INVOLVED the proper justice!!
AS ALWAYS–thanks to SM for this blog & giving us all a place to come and vent our frustrations over this case….& our hearts and thoughts remain always with Natalee’s Holloway’s family and friends for what they have endured and are still going through to this very day.
=*(
If the water search does not find Natalee…then Aruba is forever given a reputation of human trafficing… no body. Removed from the island of Aruba…by those that lied about her disappearance. And well know what happened. Ask Satish!
There was so much evidence…we all know that. Joran killed Natalee…he is capable of violent crime…already proven… I drowned a boy, I killed my dog…I pushed someone off the bridge, I beat up my brother..I steal from tourists, I break car windows, I set off fire alarms, relating to young women, I have done this 20 times before…
Involuntary prostitution has boomed the last two years in the Netherlands. There seems to be a shift within the criminal domain from the high risk trafficking in drugs to the almost risk-free exploitation of women. Because of the lacking supervision by the government of the huge flow of money within the prostitution industry, it is very tempting for criminals to change over to this lucrative ‘branch of industry’.
http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/
Natalee could have been abducted into this seedy world. It is why a cover up to this degree had to occur.
The house of cards could not fall.
There are a lot of angry posters here, and undestandably so. I hope that someone doesn’t take viglante justice. My concern is not for Joran. It is for the soul of the person who would take his life. If Joran cannot be judged by the law (even Aruban law), then we will have to accept that he will be judged by a higher power. His soul is damned and we all know it. Of course we want him to suffer because we believe he caused Natalee’s death and disappearance, and has inflicted unimaginable pain on her family. Please don’t let yourselves feel the ugliness that blackens his heart and soul. It won’t bring Natalee back and I know that’s not what Beth wants. In order for there to be justice, it has to be by a court of law and by a higher power, not an angry person taking revenge.
I’m not a religious person, but I am spiritual. I believe that whoever would harm or kill Joran would be damned to suffer the same kind of hell in the end. If we’re lucky, karma will take care of Joran during our lifetimes so we can see that he has suffered for his sins.
Don’t get me wrong, I would not shed a single tear if Joran were to end up dead or missing, but I would hate for the person responsible to risk his soul for it.
I think the closest we will ever come to the truth of what happened to Natalee is if her body is found. Forensics will tell her story. We focus our thoughts, prayers and energy on that. Natalee needs to be found, even if her murders never are not brought to justice in this lifetime. Let’s use positive energy to make that happen. Don’t let the ugliness inside rule.
Richard: I respect your opinion but I totally disagree. I believe that IF Natalee had been alive and turned over to someone else, Aruba would have capitalized on that at the very beginning to point the finger elsewhere very quickly.
I also believe that liars tells truths in their lies and Deepak, Satish and Joran seem to tell a story of Natalee having a head injury. To mean it means that they either injured her to shut her up or she ran and fell.
I think the reason for protection is one or more of these:
1. Too many youths of high powered fathers involved (most likely) along with Paulus being involved in the cover-up (perhaps other fathers too).
2. Paulus has something on someone high up and covering for him and his son is pay back
#80 To Brie: “I drowned a boy” ???? Who was that and when did that happen?
Oh hog wash !!! Urin you are wrong again There are many people here that would welcome you with Open Arms Once again you have underestimated the hospitality of U.S. Citizens.
Urin Please come to the U.S. I am begging you !!! I would even pay your air fare 1st class if you like
>>>41. Kloothommel on December 10th, 2007 3:02 pm
That me be true, but youre also hurting people who have absolutly nothing to do with this case (inc. fellow americans cuz a lot of hotels on aruba are (partially) owned by american’s)
By showing youre will to harm innocent people doesn’t that make you just as bad as the suspects????>>>>>>
I’m sorry you simply don’t get it. This boycott is not that Natalee was murdered - it is that her murderers walk free because of cover-ups and corruption!
I don’t understand how you think that any American who knows the story of Natalee Holloway could possibly have a moments peace on Aruba let alone enjoy a vacation. We don’t owe Aruba anything. We aren’t responsible to come to Aruba so your people can eat, just as you are not responsible to come to the USA so we can feed our people.
jh on December 10th, 2007 6:49 pm
I gotta be honest..
I don’t think Joran would have been any different in the US. I think, if they did it, he would have gotten away with it here, too.
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Jh… but he confessed to murdering her, and it was
reported in AP. In America, that would have been
“all she wrote.” Only Aruba, could one find a
Polis Chief and general all around bent, limp
> tallywhacker
like GEROLD DUMBPIG to redact any confessions made,
to protect a criminal like Joran Vandersloot
and his science lab gone wrong psychological project
of a ‘FADDA’.
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One more thing:
Very astute observation Up above.
Joran says he doesn’t think he would have made
in the USA! ‘MADE WHAT?’ If you are 100 percent
innocent… (what is there to make? why would you
need to keep lying over & over?)
He doesn’t think he would have made it… because
he knows dang well he did it.
NICE JOB TO YOU ARUBAN A$$HOLES IN TIMING THIS OUT
RIGHT AROUND CHRISTMAS TIME SO YOU COULD HURT NATALEE
ANN’S FAMILY EVEN MORE! THE HOLIDAYS ARE ALWAYS HARD
FOR ANYONE WHO’S LOST A LOVED ONE. YOU’VE JUST
COMPOUNDED THEIR MISERY FROM THANKSGIVING
THROUGH CHRISTMAS.
CLASS ACT GUYS. YOU ARE ALL CLASS! LONG LIVE THE F’N
ARUBAN IDIOT, HIP HIP HOORAY! -j4n
http://tinyurl.com/yor3rj
Kloothommel
What the hell do you mean, hurting innocent Arubans that protested a mother trying to get her child back. Who the hell do you think you are? You come in here talking that @h+t! You don’t have a damn clue about whats going on here nor the spirit of the group. We would like to see justice for Natalee and people like you to shut up unless you can help in that endeavor. Please don’t preach about how we might hurt those good Aruban protesters, people like lying a@@ Steve Croes and the inability of anybody on that crappy island to tell the truth. Get real about that island, they are decapitating peoples heads, cutting limbs off, poisonings on the beach, raping in the school, a lot of drownings, bodys laying on the hillsides, Mr. Pink and his custom films, mafia Posnewr running the casino, drug running galore just for starters. We would all be better off with that island gone
“He doesn’t think he would have made it”
You are reading too much into the statement and it is out of context.
So many people come to America hoping to make it.
In sports , American Idol, business…
Families send their life savings with a chosen relative to come to America to make it.
It is about money.
http://tinyurl.com/ysmelv
http://tinyurl.com/2bucth
http://tinyurl.com/2krXbh
#88 Allan
Sounds like you’re describing most major US cities.
Hey here’s a quiz for all of you who pretend you’re just seekers of justice. Exactly how many people are missing in the US right this minute? What are all of their their names and how long have they all been missing.
Sumpthin’ tells me you’re all going to fail the answer.
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Answer: ABDOLUTELY NONE WHERE THE INVESTIGATION
WAS SABOTAGED FROM WITHIN, and the cops
started to treat the victim’s family
members like criminals.
Eat a frying pan, you player hating piece of chit.
….
http://tinyurl.com/2skjpf
http://tinyurl.com/2np3uq
http://tinyurl.com/36fyyj
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j4n
Kloot,Any one who does buisness in Aruba is not innocent they chose a side the wrong side.As for the people of Aruba oh well, casualty of war and it is a war of JUSTICE
#71 … even the FBI feel that Natalee is dead and was not abducted.
You know it is not as if Joran had one story to tell and that was that he left Natalee on the beach, therefore anyone else could have either murdered her or took her.
Joran gave many versions of what happened.
He was the last one with her along with the Kalpoes. All three are guilty.
Close Up - Zoom
http://tinyurl.com/2skjpf
My Theory…
I think when the sporter told Paulus that Natalee was dead that Paulus made a call to the drug lord and had them dispose of Natalee’s body.
I don’t think a group of Joran’s friends helped with a boat etc to drop her in the ocean. I think Paulus found someone from the drug mafia to take care of his problem. One of them took her out in their small boat five miles or so and dropped her. They probably took that cage from the Fishermans Hut and put her in there.
I think Paulus knew people who were part of the drug mafia and would not think twice about disposing of Natalee.
Listen Jason you just don’t get it, we are not talking about America we are talking about Aruba.
We do not see this kind of cover-up here. It was plainly seen on TV, the lying, corruption, plain stupidity and letting the guys get rid of evidence and clean up. Maybe you can see that and maybe you can’t. Yes, Jason you are surely into justice by what you say.
JASON just plain cover - up on TV.
The only resident from Aruba that has come forth in the public eye to try to find justice for Natalee’s death, is JOSSY…
Gee one person out of how many thousands that live on Aruba???
That says a whole lot Aruba….why none of us are ever going to your corrupt island.
Oh, to sum it all up Joran and Pauus did it!!!
Carpe Noctem thanxs for all the pics!
http://s83.photobucket.com/albums/j305/binwhack1/?start=all&paginator=tophttp://www.youtube.com/profile?user=driven70001
The one of the body dumped in a hole with rats eating it was the one I will never forget. IMHO it was not Natalee , it was another schmuck who did not follow the rules .
Talk fast Joran,,,, {{edit}}
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SM: We are all frustrated (klaasend)
Not that it matters much anymore; but guess who were neighbors on Aruba. One neighbor lived at
x5 Malmokweg and the other lived at 1x Malmokweg.
Wrong: it was Posner and Gottenbos. Oh and by the way some lions do not leave their dens. Van Cromvoirt’s house and VCB have (had) the same address.
“It is a short walk from Montana to Moko”.
Let’s see who do we know that lives in Montana but then who do we know lives in Moko?
One lies to tell the truth and the other is just Loco.
83 katablog.com;
You are on the right track. Read the stateents and Jorans book.
The reason it was covered up is all the Dutch Nationals kids and Aruban Girls; (Notice there are no attractive young blond female Dutch teenagers on the island. The fathers know to keep them away) sorry off the track were having a party and Joran shows up with an American blond female. Something bad happened there and I don’t believe at this time it was at the Van der Sloots. Nothing was ever found there. Like a magician’s misdirection. In my opinion it happened in …..100
First of all, I’m sick and tired of everyone convicting these three men of Holloway’s death. Natalie Holloway was drinking from 7:00 a.m in the morning at the Holiay Inn (where she and her classmates were requested not to return because of their behavior), then headed to a Blues Concert at Surfside Beach near Orangestadt on the way to the airport and ended up at Carlos & Charlies where she continued to drink. At Carlos & Charlies, according to the Aruban people (I’ve had a timeshare there for 14 years) she requested to leave with Joran and Deepak and Satish to do more drugs. She O’D'd and they panicked…and the brothers did leave her on the beach with Joran. To the individual who indicated there are no coverups in the U.S., are you off your meds??? Read the paper or a book, go to school, educate yourself about the country that you live in and you just may change your mind. Natalie Holloway chose to pursue her destiny…it’s sad but the Aruban people are not to blame. It’s a simple case of personal responsibility. Also, I’m willing to bet that 90% of the individuals giving their opinion have never been to Aruba nor will they even bother to make the trip. Most of them are probably armchair quarterbacks, etc. Please don’t persecute an island or its people for a choice that an American teenager made…Bon Noche
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SM: Your story is full of BS. So to you it’s ok not to call 911? Just dispose of her body and lie about it for 2 1/2 years? (klaasend)
make that 102
Jason, in the US “missing” has an entirely different definition than in other parts of the world. Here missing includes children taken by one parent during a custody dispute (the largest number of children) as well as others that leave a locations (such as a former partner). The most telling part of this last mess is that the perps are directly told that if they just hang on, there they are free from further investigation after 12/31. This is a Capital crime and no such BS exists in this country nor most other countries of which I am familiar. The fix is in and the cover up goes on!!! The authorities have as much as admitted that they are involved with a cover up!
Also, I’m willing to bet that 90% of the individuals giving their opinion have never been to Aruba nor will they even bother to make
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I guess I’m not in your 90%. I have been there but won’t go back because of the way this case has been handled.
Well Jo we don’t give a rats behind what you are sick & tired of but you are right about one thing.
Million’s of American’s WILL NOT BOTHER GOING TO ARUBA. WHY WOULD WE WHEN YOU’VE SHOWN US WHAT A LOW CLASS POPULATION RESIDES THERE.
YOU KEEP GOING THERE THOUGH JO COZ LOOKS LIKE YOU FIT RIGHT IN WITH SOB’S THAT RUN THE ISLAND.
92-97-wrong
#106 Wrong, wrong, wrong, that’s baloney.
Give you a hint. The number is over 100,000 and it isn’t from custody battles.
Give you another hint. The % of those that still aren’t solved due to police incompetence, police indifference and/or police corruption is in the double digits.
Too bad none of you righteous justice seekers even care enough to find out about all of these cases of all of these fellow Americans and show the proper outrage on their behalf.
Allan you think just because you haven’t seen it on tv means it doesn’t exist? Do some research, I am in this field and have worked with and studied missing persons for years.
The stupidity and hypocrisy here is beyond comprehension.
she requested to leave with Joran and Deepak and Satish to do more drugs.
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a minute which one of 22 versions of their story is that one from ?
yea right.
I am in this field and have worked with and studied missing persons for years.
What missing person have you worked with? You idiot!
Damn Jason I don’t care if you are in the field of making people missing.
JO.are you Deepak?.Natalee chose to persue her destiny? Reminds me of the statement “she dressed like a slut”
Your an idiot.. go back and read what you posted.
Witnesses that night said Joran impersonated a student from Holland on a vacation, staying at the HI, offering her a ride back to the Holiday Inn.
Aruba …Dompig stated a suspect confessed and is leading them to the body. Care to defend that statement, Jo?
FYI JO….you have one correct statement. they (tourists) won’t bother to make the trip to Aruba.
(klaasend)
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SM: Corrected the hotel name for you
#104 “According to the Aruban people” - well heck yes, they must know, right? They were there! That is more of the trash Renfro puts out so you will stick your head in the sand along with the Aruban people.
The story doesn’t make sense and yet if it were true are you telling me that it’s not murder when someone goes into medical distress and you “panic” and leave them there?
Next - what happened to Joran’s size 14 shoes that were actually size 11?
If the story was true, why don’t the boys just guppy up and tell the truth?
If the story were true, what happened to Natalee’s body? Is this one of those Dompig stories where after she died she got up and buried herself and then a couple days later, unburied and reburied herself? You guys have some really bad drugs on that Island.
Jason,
I posted this earlier and none of the Joran/Aruba defenders dared to touch. Over the last two years I have consistently quizzed Joran/Aruba defenders regarding these facts…and no one has ever stepped up to answer. It seems the AHATA posters always wanted to keep the arguement goine over Joran and the 2Ks while avoiding at all costs discussion of Paulus Van Der Sloot’s crimes. Maybe you can shed some light on the following:
Can you help explain why the KLPD and ALE have refused to develop a timeline for Paulus Van Der Sloot for the night of Natalee’s murder?
Can you explain why search warrants for Paulus Van Der Sloot’s home and property were amended on site? What was the rationale for not searching the WHOLE premises?
Can you explain why Karin Janssen, a close friend of Paulus Van Der Sloot’s, provided Paulus Van Der Sloot with a letter stating he was no longer a suspect in the case while not providing a similar letter to the two black guys that Paulus and his spawn tried to frame?
Can you explain why there is no record of Paulus Van Der Sloot’s witness statements - despite media reporting at the time (June 15-16, 2005) stating that he was brought in and questioned as a witness — not a suspect? Where have these witness statements gone?
Can you explain why the courts double layered the ‘legal onion’ for Paulus by stating that he was 1) no longer a suspect, and 2) awarded him $30,000?
Can you explain why no one in Aruba will positively identify who the gentleman is sitting at “third base” at the blackjack table hitting on Natalee Holloway? Come on…a cook from a local restaurant???? Make me laugh Aruba!
Can you explain what Paulus was doing at 4:00am on the night of Natalee’s murder?
Can you explain why Paulus changed his story to 11:00pm the prior evening that he was out on the town?
Can you explain who leaked the aerial photo of the furniture truck making a delivery to the Van Der Sloot residence just weeks after Natalee’s murder?
Can you explain where the mattress from the Van Der Sloot’s home is currently? Can you explain why all ‘blood evidence’ needed to be sent to Holland for analysis….but the blood soaked mattress was not (within hours they declared the blood “dog blood” and discarded it as evidence). What a Dutch joke that is!
Could you explain why Judge Smid, a friend of Paulus Van Der Sloot’s who STAYS AT THE VDS HOME WHEN HE VISITS FROM CURACAO, was allowed to rule on any orders from this case? Can you help us with the definition of ‘Conflict of Interest’ in the Dutch legal system.
I could go on and on. For ANYONE to claim there is a lack of evidence is a joke…period. There was no attempt to obtain evidence and when there was….the evidence disappeared.
Paulus Van Der Sloot is your perp. Aruba has done everything to protect him. While MOS will close the case against the boys….I know that this case was never “opened” as Paulus Van Der Sloot was always covered for throughout the case by his buddies in Law Enforcement, the Prosecutors, and the Court System. The conflicts of interest are way too overwhelming to ignore and the consistent actions to make sure the case got covered-up are beyond obvious.
Shame on Aruba. And big time shame on the Dutch for playing along with the program. Corruption Rules in the KLPD as well as Aruba!
MD
Speaking of stupidity.. comparing a country with 300,000,000 plus people against a country of less than 100,000 is kind of stupid.. not to mention area size.. More missing people, hellooooo.. I didn’t see no signs come dance in the USA..where there is no crime.. and if something happens to ya,,,,we will trash and blame you for the crimes the criminals walking around commited against you.
Saw this today on CourtTV is this guy cuckoo..
Archer:
I did, I drove from Carlos & Charlie’s up towards the lighthouse where Natalee wanted to see the sharks,(HELLOOOOOO, DIDN’T JORAN SAY ON GRETA’s SHOW WE DIDN’T GO TO THE LIGHTHOUSE, because he read a witness statement that said noone was there that night) we turned around in the very parking lot they turned around in(OH YEAH LIKE WE CAN BELIEVE THEM BECAUSE THEY SAID THEY TURNED AROUND HERE, we went to the fishermen’s huts, got out, I walked the beach and then we went to the hotel, we went to Natalee’s room, all the points of interest we covered and I reviewed the file from top to bottom. There’s no evidence that a crime was committed, nevermind that my client, Joran van der Sloot was involved in Natalee’s disappearance. (ROFL NO EVIDENCE A CRIME WAS COMMITTED 2 and a half years laterm, when he’s looking.)There is plenty of evidence a crime was commited duh!
Star:
So what do you think happened then?
Archer:
I don’t know, there’s other explanations though other than Joran killed Natalee which everyone seems to want to celebrate and make such a big deal out of. She was intoxicated on the beach that night, that’s a given.(THIS IS NOT A GIVEN, WHERE IS THE PROOF SHE WAS ON THE BEACH DRUNK, DIDN”T JORAN SAY SHE WASN’T DRUNK, SHE KNEW WHAT SHE WAS DOING?) Did she go for a swim, did she drown, there’s many different explanations that should be considered that I don’t think were. (YEAH OK MR ARCHER APPARENTLY YOU DIDN’T SEE THE COPS TAKING A DUMMY OUT 3 MILES THAT WASHED BACK TO SHORE EVERY TIME, and wouldn’t you know, Joran’s shoes and Natalee’s were right by the water’s edge(convenient for the story huh) and washed away too)She wanted to go swimming alone and drowned..oh please…
Star:
You also, in addition to going step by step and from place to place, you’ve come to the conclusion that there wasn’t enough time for Joran van der Sloot to have committed any sort of act that would have led to her disappearance.
Archer:
Right, we’re talking about a 17 year old kid who, by his own admission and by the videotape had had a few drinks that night. RIGHT WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR CLIENT THAT CAN DRINK A CASE OF BEER OR 20 WHISKEYS BEFORE HE’S DRUNK? HE SAID HE WASN’T DRUNK. HE ALSO SAID NATALEE WAS’NT.
Star:
He was drunk, come on
Archer:
I’m not going to say that
Star:
He was drunk, I will
Archer:
If Joran was half drunk, somewhat intoxicated at 17, he has a window of 18 minutes to have killed Natalee, eliminated the crime scene, saw to it that every piece of forensic evidence that may have existed in the car, on his person, on his clothes disappeared and then disposed of the body in such a way that the world’s greatest forensic sleuths 2-1/2 years later can’t find. It’s ridiculous. (THIS WHOLE PARAGRAPH IS A JOKE!) 10 days no search in the car, the Kalpoes cleaning their car at night, didn’t search him for 10 days, and everyone knows you can take a body out to sea and not find any evidence of it. Last year, the kid who was one of the power rangers and another couple guys got a boat off a couple and threw them overboard and they’ve never been found, no trace of them. Maybe he should come on next time and tell us how Straten investigated his friend the Sloots and he worked with Croes, and Shippers represented the case in the USA when her cousin Guido was arrested as suspect, and Dompig who’s son Michael is a friend of Joran’s and cousin to the druggo witness Boeti who did time in Prison. Michael was seen trying to pick up tourists too and told them about a boat that went out. What about the search warrant changed on site. Or he can tell about all the different versions like Beth said on E last night of what they did with her daughter that night.
As for Jo,,,it’s not even worth responding. You would think she would get tired of hearing herself repeat the same old untrue bs under different names.
Jason:
You’re calling Allan a hypocrit?
WTF?!?!?
If you know so much about missing persons, how is it that you don’t recognize or appreciate when people are backing the family of a missing teenager against an island that has virtually no justice system? How dare you call anyone here a hypocrit!
Those numbers that you refer to but fail to mention are nothing. How many crimes have been committed in Aruba, just in the last two years that have been called suicides and drug overdoses that, clearly, were murders?
We all admit that solving crimes is difficult, but the fact that no one has been ARRESTED in this crime, is a miscarriage of justice. Especially, when the statements made during questioning are admissions to those crimes.
Any family of a missing person would love to have Scared Monkeys support, just as there are non-profit trusts opened for donations to fund what many of us do for free. If you, truly, work in the field of missing persons, you would have a deep respect for what we do here.
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Joran says that he would never make it in the U.S.? I pray that, someday, we can put that to the test.
We need to seek an expert in International Law.
before i begin, let me just tell you that i’m from aruba. A lot has happened since Nathalee dissapeared but hey, who’s to blame, not me!…not anyone! I’m not taking side of the guys you think did this, nor the holloway family, leave me here standing in neutral. But since the dissapearing there has been one question in my mind that has been bothering me ever since,….how do i place this?,..ok here it goes:
Your a senior “honor” graduate from Alabama,…which is thousands of miles from Aruba,..your folks are rich, you live in a nice big house,…that means that you must have money from where you come from,…that means that you must be able to “AFFORD” a freaking camera, and adding that this was your first trip to Aruba,..you usually take a camera with you when you travel!,…specially to a place you’ve never been to! Hey when i go to Orlando or New Jersey every year with my family, i make sure i do! Everyone does that! Every freaking tourist does that!…And here comes the strange part: you come to Aruba for a week!,…you take only one picture! “ONE” picture! the day before you dissapear?? And with the same clothes in wich you went missing! You guys know wich one i mean, the one that she’e standing by the beach with her friends,…i’m not against Nathalee Holloway or anyone! But hey that S#@$ right there is freaking weird don’t you think???
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SM: What the hell are you talking about? There are other photos of Natalee in Aruba. That particular photo you are referring to was taken the same evening she went to CnC, that’s why she’s wearing the same cloths. Also, they weren’t there for a week you fool, they were there for 4 days. Not sure what you are looking for here? (klaasend)
Kloothammel, thank you for the info. When there is corruption and injustice in the U.S., our media and citizens cry foul. Many times, officials do something about it. In Aruba, the media (except Jossy) made up stories to blame the victim, her mother and the U.S. media. You say “we just have to live with it”. Have you tried to change it? Perhaps the political parties would do something if the people said that’s what they want. Shoulder shrugging isn’t something monkeys do well.
In spite of differing laws, this was clearly a cover up and Arubans aren’t upset about it. They want to blame Natalee and Beth, close their eyes, shut their blinds, and go about another day. We want them to not like the corruption and lies. Instead, they don’t like Beth and Monkeys.
But thank you again for helping us understand the realities of the Dutch legal system.
Remember last year when Joran said he wasn’t afraid to come here and tell the truth in that lawsuit in New York,,,he didn’t even care if he had a lawyer or not.. He wanted to come tell the truth. and then fought like hell to keep it from going through and went on to do more interviews and caught lying over and over again. What a sporter,,
For those who say we are blaming innocent Arubans for the actions of a few. Isn’t that what the world does to Americans every day of the week?
Oop re that article above.. 18 minutes to commit a crime and clean it up..apparently Archer forgot that they said they took her to Holiday Inn and left it at that for 10 days, so how can he said 18 minutes to clean it up etc. They had at least 24 hours until Beth arrived and longer due to no searches and not even saying the beach..
Hey MD!
That aerial pic of the furniture truck at the van der sweat house and WHO took it has always puzzled me the most.
Who do you think just *happened* to be there at just the right time to catch that very suspicious event?
It’s astounding to this day that the VDS’s son is in jail on suspicion of murder, kidnapping, rape and these people feel its a great time to get new furniture and lay cement.
Who took that pic of the truck??
so if there were more pics of the vacation,…can you show them to me?,…or give me a link!? you see my point soon enough to where i’m going with this…
So Jason…we’re waiting..MD’s questions should be a piece of cake for a pompous blowhard like you to answer. By the way is your name really “Jason”, or are you maybe someone else?
Chepel neutral..lol.. There is even a picture of Natalee in a bikini..Have you looked at Natalee’s camera or pictures? It appears someone else took that one, so how do you know that was her camera taking the picture? Could’ve been her friends camera.. Her friends were also in the picture. Put down the pipe..
This is so sad.
I was hoping to come here and find some good news… but, obviously, Aruba has decided to keep their heads buried in the sand and we are left with people like Jo and Cheple who have not a clue about what really went on.
This last few months, since the Dutch went to Aruba acting like they were set on finding some evidence, have been a heartbreak. I really, really wanted to believe that the Dutch were not involved in the corruption; but if this Mos character was acting on the part of the Hague, we are in big trouble.
I have always gotten the impression that he was Aruban and had nothing to do with the Dutch investigation. Does anyone know, for sure, whether the “new evidence” that he spoke of at the beginning of his charade was from The Netherlands? And… why he would feel the need to promise the Van der Sloots that there would be no more arrests in the case? Is it possible that the Arubans want to close the case, knowing that the Hague has evidence that would proove what Prime Minister Oduber tried to hide?
Why aren’t the press requesting information from the Hague?
Also, since this Prosecutor stated that Natalee was dead, or that it was obvious that she is dead; aren’t there any federal laws that the Holloways can use to get the Federal Government to act?
M.D…. Any ideas?
Richard, you are describing Stockholm syndrome. It apparently doesn’t take that long to break someone’s spirit. I seem to remember something about the SLA keeping Patti Hearst in a closet for weeks on end, along with giving her drugs, withholding food and other necessities… Has anyone ever found out what those shacks on the little island with chairs, wire and rope are used for?
For those who don’t believe Natalee is alive, that’s fine, but please allow those of us that would like to keep an open mind the courtesy of discussion. There is a possibility she is dead, but there is also a possibility that we have bought into all the leaked misinformation and stories and gone in exactly the direction they wanted us to go. Any physical evidence such as the duct tape hair (etc.), whether real or planted, has been gathered up and made inaccessible - another incomplete path, just like the searches, the videos, the statements, the policework and Shango. There is little that can be verified as fact.
If Natalee truly overdosed on E (wasn’t that what Deepak said tourist are sometimes given by the bartenders) why didn’t they just make up a story that Natalee took it and felt so good she wanted to have a party with all of them. Accidental death, open and shut case if the law is on your side the way it is down there. Well, maybe she was beat up and they couldn’t send her back that way. If so she wasn’t drugged; why would anyone want to beat on someone who was asleep? Would she send a text message about I don’t know these people if she was drugged? Further would she send such a message if she was still with the guy who was supposed to be taking her home? Maybe, maybe not. Whose phone was it sent from anyway? Do we know?
All I’m saying is that we have been given too much information, but it is all incomplete, pointing in differnt directions and doesn’t add up. Normally suspects would try to tell as little as possible, and even the police would only disclose certain facts until they had built their case so as not to aid the defense. A coverup of human trafficing