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    60 Responses to “RV PERSISTENCE and Louis Schaefer Head to Aruba to Search for Natalee Holloway”

    1. KrisG on November 30th, 2007 10:23 am

      Hi Monkeys:

      If you get over to http://www.gretawire.foxnews.com you can answer Greta’s question for the day. It is “What question would you have for the Chief Prosecutor to ask Natalee’s parents when they meet with him this weekend.”

      See you’ve already been there Miss-U!

    2. DennisAOK on November 30th, 2007 10:55 am

      This is a great act of kindness. All of America is behind this effort to resolve the case.

    3. 10061906 on November 30th, 2007 11:41 am

      klaasen; Any truth, do you know, to the rumor that a fourth suspect will be arrested today on Aruba related to Natalee’s disappearance?
      If so any idea who?
      SM: I have no idea. I do have a certain PVDS on top of my wish list though ;) (klaasend)

    4. Ellen on November 30th, 2007 11:54 am

      What a perfect namefor the RV …. Persistance !!!
      God Speed Mr. Schaefer… find our girl and bring her home.

    5. Miss-Underestimated on November 30th, 2007 11:54 am

      Hi KrisG

      Beth and Dave have my prayers that they will FINALLY get answers and JUSTICE.

    6. Michelle on November 30th, 2007 12:26 pm

      Oh gosh, my co-worker just told me that on her way into work this morning she heard that they were releasing the three because the “new evidence” was simply a mistake in the translation on the newest phone tappings they’ve done. I, of course, rushed here to see whether it was true or not. Has anyone else heard this story? My heart will be broken all over again!
      SM: Your co-worker is watching one of the reporters that is simply repeating what the defense attorneys WISH. There has been no decision out of Aruba today yet. Also, Joran’s detention isn’t up until December 7th and that’s when the judge will rule whether he stays in jail for another 60 days. Everything I have heard on TV to this point is coming from the point of view of the defense attorneys. What would you expect them to say? (klaasend)

    7. Michelle on November 30th, 2007 1:14 pm

      Well good, I’m glad it was a piece of bad information. I hope they fry these three & they finally give the answers that are long over-due. Thank you for keeping us all updated and for never giving up on Justice for Natalee.

    8. Richard on November 30th, 2007 1:21 pm

      I was told today that the Kalpoes have been released. I don’t believe that my informant got the “news” accurately, but am putting it here as nothing more than an unconfirmed report.

      If this DOES happen, it certainly would be a turnaround from what everyone thinks would be likely: i.e., Joran would be freed and the Kalpoes wouldn’t be.

      But as I said, I think it’s just another false report.
      SM: Who told you this? There was also a report (rumor) on local Birmingham TV that ONE will be released. I have not seen anything official yet. That said, if one is released, maybe that means they are talking? (klaasend)

    9. Richard on November 30th, 2007 1:22 pm

      By the way, I think that Aruba Tourism Authority is having one of their “visit Aruba” events in Las Vegas this weekend. I’m not sure of the date.

      I wish I could go to this event too, but I can’t.

      In any case, right now the media are carrying forth the message that we protesters would have.

    10. Richard on November 30th, 2007 1:33 pm

      The person who told me got it from the TV, and probably got it wrong. I’m sure that the media will jump all over it IF it happens.
      SM: Local Birmingham TV reported that Mos had scheduled a press conference at 11am and cancelled it. The reporter also said it was rumored that ONE of the Kalpoes would be released today. Most likely the reporter got that information from the defense attorneys wishful thinking. There has been nothing posted at RU about K2′s being released and nothing posted on Greta’s blog. (klaasend)

    11. Richard on November 30th, 2007 1:42 pm

      Damned if I know what’s happening, or going to.

      Here’s the url to an article: Beth and Dave (or so I read this) are to meet with the prosecutor this weekend. Beth says she is optimistic.

      This article came out today.


    12. Richard on November 30th, 2007 1:44 pm

      According to this article, Joran got his Bible from his parents. Hope it was checked out first.

      Remember that Dave Holloway gave Pvd Scum a copy of that book The Purpose-Driven Life (I think it was that). In both cases, casting pearls before swine….

    13. Susan on November 30th, 2007 1:52 pm

      Godspeed “Persistence” and crew :-)



    14. Libby on November 30th, 2007 2:11 pm

      I read the article. Neither Joran nor the K brothers had any nvolvement in Natalee’s disappearance? They have no idea what happened to her?

      Hmmmm…so if they had no involvement in her disappearance and they don’t know what happened to her, why did they lie about dropping her off at the hotel? Why did they all meet with Paulus to make up this lie BEFORE it was known Natalee was missing? Why did they attempt to frame innocent people? Why do they have so many versions as to where they left her? Why did they keep saying they don’t know where her “body” is rather than they don’t know where she is? Why did Paulus keep saying…no body no case? Why, while in the police car did they say things like…if they find that sh** on the girl or Joran going to Jail if they find that girl etc. I could go on and on as everyone else could. What a joke they are.

    15. brie on November 30th, 2007 2:35 pm

      Louis Schaefer, an American volunteer, what a caring, generous and gracious man. I know Natalee’s family can never thank him enough, including the rest of us. Louis has been following the case and wants to bring closure for the family and see justice done.

    16. martini on November 30th, 2007 2:54 pm
    17. brie on November 30th, 2007 3:09 pm

      Libby, I agree. There’s already been alot said. Especially Joran and Paulus, we know and will tell you someday, but not now. To admit and withhold that kind of information was pure cruelty.

      I’m sure the two black security guards are anxiously waiting for justice to be served. We know those 3 have a history of wanting to put the blame on someone else.

      If Joran and the Kalpoes refuse to talk and not answer the questions to statements they have made I guess they stay in jail until they do. Hans wants his answers. We all do.

    18. Vicki on November 30th, 2007 4:39 pm

      Please let there be closure for this family…this whole thing is such a tragity. Its sickening…

    19. Carpe Noctem on November 30th, 2007 4:54 pm

      We love ya Dave and Beth & entire Nat family & friends, and I think it goes without saying we worship your girl. You’re all in my thoughts and prayers like 24 to the seven these days. I think a lot of answers are almost here. -j4n

    20. suisse71 on November 30th, 2007 4:58 pm

      From #15 posted by martini link


      Thank you Martini

      Louis E. Schaefer Jr., Chairman of Superior Offshore International Inc. presides over the closing bell.

      Superior Offshore International is a leading provider of subsea construction and commercial diving services to the offshore oil and gas industry, serving operators in the outer continental shelf and deep waters of the U.S. Gulf of Mexico was well as offshore Mexico, Latin America, Africa and the Middle East. Construction services include installation, upgrading and decommissioning of pipelines and production infrastructure. Commercial diving services include inspection, maintenance and repair services and support services for subsea construction and salvage operations. The company also operates a construction/fabrication division. Superior Offshore operates a fleet of 11 service vessels and provides remotely operated vehicles (ROVs) and saturation diving systems for deep water and harsh environment operations.

      God Bless you Mr. Schaefer and your team!

      God Speed!


      Also SM – PVS is on the top of my wish list too.

      BREAKING NEWS – K2 have been or going to be RELEASED

    21. Crimson on November 30th, 2007 5:05 pm

      Libby, I had been wondering about the conversation recorded from the police car too. There was a transcript of it and it seemed to be rather informative. Now seeing reports about the wire tapped police cars and that the suspects supposedly were stone quiet. I’m confused…

    22. Carpe Noctem on November 30th, 2007 5:06 pm

      Kalpoes ordered released.

    23. stoney on November 30th, 2007 5:08 pm

      breaking new just let the kalpoe brothers go

    24. chris on November 30th, 2007 5:08 pm

      Kalpoes released, Joran to be let go next. What was it all about?
      Greta did a wonderful job again yoyoing back and forth. She ought to be banned from TV. Maybe we need to start something getting rid of her and Jami Floyd. IMHO…..

    25. 10061906 on November 30th, 2007 5:10 pm

      Some basic sentences for crimes committed on Aruba.
      There are no jury trials and there is no plea bargaining.
      If you are a minor and convicted of a crime your sentence is one half of what the adult sentence would be. There is no death penalty and life being the most serious but for an adult it is no more then 20 years and 10 years for a minor. Of the three suspects in 2005 the only one that would have received half the sentence is Joran.
      Having said that; it is quite evident that Natalee’s disappearance and bringing to justice those responsible has been a conspiracy to cover up. Do not to prosecute under any circumstances seem to be the prevalent rules. Aruba has a law that you cannot lie as a witness. Let’s us see who has lied as a witness and was never brought to trial and convicted of at least a misdemeanor. Joran, Deepak, Satish, Steve Croes, Freddy, Paulus van der Sloot and Michael Dompig; all come to mind. Even Michael’s father the police commissioner admitted that Michael lied. Here Gerald Dompig is guilty of obstruction of Justice. No one was convicted of any criminal act.
      There is also another law that states if you do not honor a person’s request to be taken to that person’s requested location, that can be construed as kidnapping. By Deepak’s admission he did not take Natalee back to the hotel because Joran wanted to go to the beach. Since it was Deepak’s car and he was driving(?); he did not take Natalee back to the hotel and she was dropped off where she was totally defenseless and in an unfamiliar area. This could be considered kidnapping. No one was convicted of any crime.
      There is another law that states if something happens to a person that was in your company who was intoxicated or incapable of defending one’s self and that person is deserted by you and a criminal act is committed against that person then it is a punishable crime. Let’s see; Joran says Natalee was so drunk she fell down numerous times walking on the beach, she was coming in and out of consciousness, and the last time she did not wake up; so Joran left her there unconscious and defenseless. Now the law states that if anything happens to that person you are responsible of a crime. Technically we cannot provide evidence that some crime was committed against Natalee because she is missing; but the fact that no one has seen her in over two and one half years is a good indication that some crime occurred. Again no prosecution and no conviction.
      All those arrested have been released for lack of evidence. It all depends on what crime they were arrested for initally can you be released someone for lack of evidence. If it were the murder of Natalee, I can see the lack of evidence. If the lack of evidence was gang rape; I’ll agree again there is no evidence. Why? There is no body. However all the other crimes stated above; be they felony or misdemeanors, no one was ever prosecuted.
      Why Aruba? What/who are you protecting??????????????????????????/
      It is evident that the laws are there to protect the criminal; not the victim.
      And D Jacobs during this investigation was such a scum bag that he would have sold his own mother into sex slavery for access to a few debit cards and a years supply of Frosted Flakes.
      No body, no case , no tourism.

    26. EURobert on November 30th, 2007 5:19 pm

      Suspected Aruban brothers released

      The appeal into the restrictions JvdS was under was not dismissed.

      Not more info in the article

    27. EURobert on November 30th, 2007 5:28 pm

      I haven’t given up all hope yet. There could be a possibility that the two are released because there’s no necessity to hold them longer in order to continue the investigation / interrogation of JvdS. Maybe they are not allowed to leave the island.

      It’s still open…

    28. Carpe Noctem on November 30th, 2007 5:31 pm
    29. KOO on November 30th, 2007 5:52 pm

      Is this prosecutor a joke or is it the judge? WTH!

      EURobert I am trying to not give up hope! I really am. They are still suspects. but………

    30. Libby on November 30th, 2007 5:53 pm

      They are doing nothing but blowing smoke up our as**** again.

      They have had the evidence since 2005. I mean, lie after lie after lie, recorded conversations of their guilt, statements from police that these guys are guilty as hell or she is no longer with us…I have seen the evidence. They have had all of this information for two years and they have done NOTHING but play with Natalee’s family and friends.

      If they haven’t done anything by now, they never will.

      It is all a game to them.

      Boycott Aruba!

    31. minnesota dad on November 30th, 2007 6:15 pm

      I laid out my theory several months ago on this.

      The Kalpoe brothers brought NH back to the VDS. When things went bad, PVDS shoo’d them out of there.

      Joran and Paulus took care of getting rid of her and the Kalpoe’s went home to wash their car.

      We have Paulus sitings in the middle of the night, ATM withdrawals, and most importantly, JORAN BOARDING A BUS NEAR LORENZO’S HOME at 6:35am.

      Everything happened at the VDS pad. She was taken to Lorenzo’s, either seriously hurt or already dead.

      The still are holding the right predator. When they arrest Paulus I will know that this is no longer a sham.


    32. Kevin on November 30th, 2007 6:29 pm

      Good afternoon, Everyone –

      Has there been any “official” announcement about the 2 Kalpoe brothers’ release? I’m getting a little confused with the time change – I’m in Alabama and it’s 4:25 p.m. here. Klaasend – any info from your sources?


    33. da_wench on November 30th, 2007 6:36 pm

      ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CNN) — Two of the suspects being held in connection with Natalee Holloway’s presumed death will be released from custody.

    34. Richard on November 30th, 2007 6:38 pm

      Well, many people who posted here thought that it would be Joran who was freed, leaving the Kalpoe brothers (who don’t have an influential father) to face the music.

      Instead, the Kalpoes get out, at least for now.

      Does this mean that they are off the hook for good? What happened?

      If the Aruban prosecutor does indeed hold the meeting with Beth and Dave tomorrow, I’ll bet he will have some tough questions about this.

      God forbid that van der Scum gets out as well.

      I wonder what the mood is on Aruba now ….

      Does this mean that they have enough to single out Joran, and ONLY Joran, as the actual perpetrator (not including anyone who committed other crimes, such as body disposal)?

      I sure don’t know.

    35. Richard on November 30th, 2007 6:42 pm

      Here’s the link to an AP article that says the Kalpoes have not been released YET, but will be freed no later than Saturday. The prosecution has three days to appeal, but said that they will “have to think about it.”


    36. Richard on November 30th, 2007 6:44 pm

      Absolutely right,10061096 … there are all sorts of grounds for prosecuting certain persons on at least some grounds. But it seems that nobody is being prosecuted for anything.

      Will Joran get off as well?

      Aruba, you are digging yourselves further in ….

    37. Richard on November 30th, 2007 6:56 pm

      Just remember … it isn’t the prosecutor who did this, it’s the judge or judges. (Wonder WHICH judge or judges were involved this time? Not the same ones as before, I hope.)

    38. benh on November 30th, 2007 6:59 pm

      If these boys go free again,Aruba can kiss whats left of its tourism good bye.

    39. Sharon Chicago on November 30th, 2007 7:05 pm

      Question…. How much money does Aruba allow to be withdrawn from a ATM machine. I thought it was 200.00 dollars like in the USA…a limit amt. you can withdraw.

      How much did Paulus withdraw that night from ATM?

    40. Richard on November 30th, 2007 7:14 pm

      An updated AP story … this one says the judge decided the evidence vs. Kalpoes ‘wasn’t strong enough.’ This doesn’t look good to me ….

      By MARGARET WEVER, Associated Press Writer
      6 minutes ago

      ORANJESTAD, Aruba – A judge on Friday ordered the release of two brothers suspected in the disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway, ruling that the evidence wasn’t strong enough to continue holding them, a prosecutor said.

      Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, who were re-arrested in the case for a third time last week, were to be released from jail by Saturday.

      Prosecutor Dop Kruimel said she hasn’t decided whether to appeal the decision to release the men.

      The two brothers and a third suspect who remains in jail, Joran van der Sloot, were the last known people to see Holloway alive before she vanished on May 30, 2005, hours before she was scheduled to return home to Alabama with fellow high school classmates celebrating their graduation.

      The three suspects were re-arrested on Nov. 21 on suspicion of involvement in Holloway’s death. Authorities said they had “new incriminating evidence,” but defense attorneys complained that the new material amounted to little more than misunderstandings in the suspects’ recorded conversations.

      The 18-year-old girl from Mountain Brook, Ala., was last seen leaving a bar with the three suspects. All of them have denied having any role in her disappearance.

      Prosecutors have said they have evidence that Holloway is dead, and they maintained Friday that the suspects were involved despite the judge’s ruling.

      “The new evidence together with the existing evidence in the case file produced serious grounds for the suspicion of some kind of aiding and abetting of covering up the traces of a crime committed or the disposing of the corpse,” according to the statement from the prosecutors’ office.

      But the judge ruled in the closed-door session that the evidence was not strong enough to warrant the suspects’ continued detention.

      No trace of Holloway has been found despite extensive searches of the low-lying island that have involved Aruban soldiers, FBI agents, dive teams — even Dutch military jets equipped with search equipment.

    41. Sharon Chicago on November 30th, 2007 7:14 pm

      Strange…listening to Kalpoe’s attorney the other day, Wed., he mentioned that Deepak had not been interrogated since last Friday.

      Does not sound like they were trying hard to crack his will. Is this all another dog and pony show by Aruba??????

      Looks like Beth and Kelly will still meet with Hans in Aruba. Poor Beth and Dave.

    42. kayjay on November 30th, 2007 7:18 pm

      Boycott Aruba till it sinks and expand the boycott to The Netherlands too. What fools these people are. Can’t believe they would arrest on charges that they could not make stick and make such a dog and pony show out of it.
      Poor Beth arriving in Aruba to that news (from Greta) according to Fox.
      A pox on the lot of them.

    43. Crimson on November 30th, 2007 7:21 pm

      This is complete BS, they had better not be blowing smoke up our *** (self moderated, but wanting to cuss a blue streak over this).

      I wish they would make up OUR minds, new evidence – enough to re-arrest, but not enough to hold them on… What the…? This roller coaster of false hope and flimsy attempts at making an appearance for justice is complete and utter bull.

      Not that I would have wanted it, but they would have been better off to have quietly (in their minds) let ‘time limit’ expire than to put Natalee’s family through the smoke and mirrors performance again.

      I have said before that I support the boycott, and have thoughts that Aruba could possibly recover from this to a degree if Justice and closure is found. But, if Joran is also released, I say BOYCOTT ARUBA till the end of days.

    44. Sharon Chicago on November 30th, 2007 7:21 pm

      #31 Minnisota… I don’t think she was alive if brought to Lorenzo’s… If she was injured/hurt in anyway and they all paniced… I would have thought they would dump her body half block from hospital and then call the hospital to report her being there…. because these three perverts crossed the line to become murderers without knowing that is how it would all end up. I don’t think killing Natalee was in their rapist mind at that time….but then again thats how killers are born one day their fanticy goes further and they murder someone.

    45. Richard on November 30th, 2007 7:22 pm

      Meanwhile, the water search is to begin soon, and will last at least two weeks. I know that we have another thread about it … but since we all feel so sick about what happened on Aruba today, read THIS:


      No more vivid contrast between the nature of the American people and that of the Arubans, or at least some of them, could ever be presented.

      Boycott Aruba … it’s only common sense.

    46. EURobert on November 30th, 2007 7:22 pm

      It’s possible that the Kalpoes didn’t take part in the – alledged – sexual abuse of Natalee Holloway but Joran might have “ordered’ them when things went wrong, to help dispose of the body because he KNEW things about them. Maybe he threatened them: “if I fall you will fall too! Remember in the Telegraaf-news-article it was said that the police thought that raping of drunk American girls probably happened many times before. Criminals have power over each-other because they know things of each-other! And maybe that’s the only reason why the Kalpoes untill now have kept their mouths shut about what happened.

      And about the boat: I saw on the forum the question why the Dutch didn’t do a search themselves. I would guess that there are untill now to few strong clues where to search. Being familiar with the Dutch aproach I don’t think they would do searches in the wild, without strong and certain clues were the body is to be found.

    47. mainemonkey on November 30th, 2007 7:28 pm

      What 1006 post always makes sense and hits the nail on the head.Your insight and intuitive nature are right on in my book. I wish there was some way that we could get the whole lot of them prosecuted for kidnapping and not helping Natalee knowing she was in and out of consciousness. Someone down there has alot of clout and is shielding the perps from any and all consequences and has been since May 2005 and maybe longer judging from all the murders, kidnappings, assaults and robberies going back ten years in Aruban history. Most crimes are not even reported by police, much less followed up. I wouldn’t want to set foot on Aruba knowing this.As a matter of fact, I was tipped off to Aruba’s questionable safeness factor because my Mother and neice were there the year before Nat went missing, but had no tangible incident except my Mom had the distinct feeling she was being watched and followed. Luckily, she is a seasoned traveler and trusted her instinct to take my neice back to the cruise ship and stay on it. Now, her fear was strong enough to keep her from going onto the island of Aruba for the rest of her vacation !! I really often wonder what would have happened to her had she dismissed her feelings. By the way, my neice was then thirteen years old, who, like Natalee, was a lovely rose in bloom. I shuddered when I first learned of the Holloway tragedy, thinking about how disenchanted my Mom had been about her disappointing visit to Aruba. My Mom had previously traveled the world alone on at least ten different occasions to destinations where Americans would be warned to be careful. She said it was the weirdest feeling, she said the creepy feeling was tangible, and went right through her. It bothered her even sailing back home. She would never go back it was so intense for her. BTW, she does not own a computer but I told her how I follow the Holloway case through SM and my Mom was impressed when I explained to her how intense the Monkeys are in seeking justice for Natalee and how much collective heart and soul gathers here. We are not going to let Kalpoes’ release stop us. We have heard worse before. We have to put our collective mindset to supporting Beth and Dave, she now just touching down on that tainted Aruban soil. As a mother, I cannot imagine the agony she has had to bear for years. We must continue to carry her and lift her through the many disappointments and obstacles she faces. Natalee is somewhere near and God please help us bring her to her Mother and Father. We got the power…..

    48. Wavering on November 30th, 2007 7:39 pm

      Is it possible, even remotely, that Joran and the Kalpoe’s really don’t know what happened to Natalee?

      Could the real culprit be someone who found Natalee alone on the beach after Joran had left, who then took advantage of her?

      I know the three have lied repeatedly, but you must admit the Holloway family has done everything they possibly could to make these three crack. Wouldn’t the Kalpoes (due to their ethnicity) have been thrown under the bus if there was even the slightest irrefutable evidence found that could lead to a conviction?

      I’ve been coming to this site to get my news on this case since it began. For the longest time there was no doubt in my mind that the three were guilty. But why haven’t the multiple arrests, the taped recordings, the repeated questioning etc, been enough to convict three children? They can’t be that smart enough to avoid cracking, could they? Maybe they really don’t know what happened to her. What do you think? Is that possible?

      I mean, our information on the case is all second hand, but if the people working on the case haven’t been able to prove the truth yet, how can you really be so sure yourself?
      SM: The Prosecutor/KLPD/ALE/FBI all know JK2 are guilty. That’s enough for me. (klaasend)

    49. brie on November 30th, 2007 7:54 pm

      So who paid off the judge…there apparently was enough evidence to arrest and hold them via the judge in the first place. I think this is an island controlled by drug dealers and mafia. Hans has alot to deal with. I believe the prosecutor was doing his job but was let down by the judge. Friends of Paulus and Posner.

      Joran and Paulus cannot get away with their statements…we know what happened and we will tell you someday.

      Poor Beth got the phone call from Greta…let down again.

      I think these 3 need to be extradited to the US, Natalee was an American citizen..there is way too much interference to solve this case in Aruba. And some of the people involved are just not trustworthy. Too much corruption. And we deserve the answers. There is no way Joran or Paulus are innocent.I read some things on the internet about Joran’s book….he said Natalee was dancing sexy, saw him, and led him to bar and ordered a jello shot. Blame the victim…Joran went there for one reason, he singled out Natalee and took her to bar away from her friends and ordered the jello shot. With the date rape drug…that’s why he was there!

      Joran needs to psychiatric evaluation.

      Who picked up Joran at the beach, if he was even there. There was previous mention that they stopped at the Sloot’s. Kalpoes are afraid of Paulus and his connections.

      Now, if Natalee was left at the beach and died there, someone could of picked up Joran and the body of Natalee. So who did he call! Apparently it was a rough night because I don’t think Joran went to school the following day. And why were they at the police station that following morning. OK what ‘s up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    50. Sharon Chicago on November 30th, 2007 8:00 pm

      #46 … I am thinking the Kalpoes did participate in the sexual raping of Natalee…because, the tape of Deepak mentioning that Natalee was a slut, acted
      like one and etc. This sounds like he is trying to justify in his mind, raping Natalee and participating in her demise, sending the message, see she deserved it.

      They are all pigs and I pray that the Lord brings justice for Natalee and they all serve for their crimes.

    51. Sharon Chicago on November 30th, 2007 8:02 pm

      I don’t get it how can Hans the procecutor come up with new evidence where an arrest is made of the these three and then a Judge decides that the evidence is worthless and lets them go…..

    52. brie on November 30th, 2007 8:04 pm

      If they do not solve this case we need posters all over world. An island of rape, murder, corruption, despair, cruelty, injustice, violation of human rights, morally indecent, and their is no protection for you.

    53. mainemonkey on November 30th, 2007 8:04 pm

      #40 Hi Richard, thank you for the update now and for all your dedication to solving the case.

      Monkeys: Regarding Richard’s post 40 above, I see that the AP writer based in Aruba is a Margaret WEVER, Wever must either be a popular name down there, or is there any relationship to the Wever questioned in the Holloway case? Just curious, it wouldn’t be the first conflict of interest in this maddening case. I am not implying that the story is bogus either, just trying to learn who’s who. Thanks!

    54. Mike on November 30th, 2007 8:07 pm

      Regarding what is left of Aruba’s tourism……….
      …The fat lady is warming up.

      #49 Brie,

      Jurine does not need psychiatric evaluation…he needs an electrical evaluation. About 2000 volts worth.

    55. brie on November 30th, 2007 8:17 pm

      Solve your case Hans and unload the island…they have caused monumental debt and what’s coming down the road is nothing but trouble. The free zone is very attractive to the drug dealers and human trafficing. It’s a drug lords paradise. South American’s praying on young American girls…we will make sure we’re out of there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Boycott Aruba…you have nothing to offer…we will continue to protect our people. I’m sorry for the decent people of Aruba but your island has been taken over and I think you already know that!!!!!

    56. brie on November 30th, 2007 8:23 pm

      #54…your funny…so it’s not over until the fat lady sings…!

    57. brie on November 30th, 2007 8:42 pm

      The prosecutor has presented evidence…he said if they had known this before no one would of been released. So why? Like I said the case needs to come to the USA…your judges are incompetent!!! And paid for by Paulus and Posner. Mostly Posner…Paulus does not have that much money. Everyone there is covering their butts! And it’s being going on for a very long time.

      I believe Joran is responsible for Natalee’s death. He’s a sociopath and therefore doesn’t feel responsible for his own actions. A sick human being that I think some people are trying hard to avoid.

    58. Miss-Underestimated on November 30th, 2007 8:51 pm

      Rosemarie Tacopinas righthand MAN pronounce Jorans name URINE, I guess she knows best huh?

    59. brie on November 30th, 2007 9:13 pm

      Joran is not normal..nor is he not a pervert..look at how he was raised…his own apartment, that would only breed trouble…wearing lipstick and make-up a true indication of his personality…you have a sick monster on your hands…and it has been known for along time…your son killed Natalee….along with his psycho mind….Anita said in the very beginning that Joran needs to get on with his life….what about Natalee’s life..what about the lives of Natalee’s family…he is guilty!!!! And you know that and you also know Paulus was an accomplish …bury your head in the sand…you’ve got a son that committed a crime but you don’t want the responsibility of being a parent. How sad for his younger brothers!

      Again, allow the case to come to the USA…we’ll find the truth! I hope Hans turns this over to US

    60. 1061906 on November 30th, 2007 11:20 pm

      Bringing the case to the USA may be harder than you or I realize. If it were possible it would have happened by now. Extraditing Joran is out of the question. Although the US and Aruba have an extradition treaty Dutch Nataionals were/are exempt from the treaty. Aruba would not be obligated to send Joran. We lost our chance when Joran was in New York for his “checkers” broadcast. I wonder if he was paid by who was it ABC? If so what about State and City Taxes. Isn’t what thy are trying to nail Jeter for. Hmmmmmm;
      now there is a thought. Isn’t that how they got Capone.
      Aruba has to learn the hard way. They have made themselves the center of all that is evil and the rest of the world does realize it. I can’t speak for the Holloways and the Twittys; but if you had said we are sorry for what happened, we are not exactly sure how or who, but we will continue our investigation. We are sorry for what happened and here Beth are your daughter’s remains. That may have been sufficient. This continued charade will only make the boycott stronger and will spill over to the Netherlands. I have ripped out my tulips and trashed them. They won’t be blooming next year. That is a start. A boycott against travel to Aruba does not have to stop there; now to go after the Dutch corporations and their exports to the USA.
      By the way when you buy handcream with aloe; check to make sure it is not a product of Aruba.
      You had your chance for 2 and one half years to bring closure to a grieving family and all you did was play games and bash the victim.
      Its our turn to play hardball. As I said before the name Aruba will only be a memory in a Beach Boys’ song.

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